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Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Sat May 24, 2008 10:51 am

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Post Post #11 (isolation #1) » Sat May 24, 2008 12:45 pm

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oh god, Korlash and me in the same game again...
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Post Post #21 (isolation #2) » Mon May 26, 2008 4:47 am

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Original Roll String: 1d12
1 12-Sided Dice: (3) = 3
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Post Post #22 (isolation #3) » Mon May 26, 2008 4:47 am

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Vote: Korlash


Die, Nemesis!
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Post Post #39 (isolation #4) » Mon May 26, 2008 7:17 pm

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Aye, my card is definitely from Nemesis. I think it *could* be useful and probably would NOT hurt us if we all claimed our card sets. I have an idea for how it could be useful, but it's one of those things where if you say it, it becomes meaningless.
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Post Post #46 (isolation #5) » Tue May 27, 2008 12:51 am

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^ scumtell

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Post Post #65 (isolation #6) » Tue May 27, 2008 11:47 am

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I'm still waiting for the rest of the players, especially Grimmy, to post what set their card is from.
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Post Post #66 (isolation #7) » Tue May 27, 2008 11:56 am

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fyi, we should probably lynch Natirasha today. Regardless of his alignment, he promises to always be anti-town even as town. Might as well make a useful lynch out of day 1.
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Post Post #69 (isolation #8) » Tue May 27, 2008 2:59 pm

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roflcopter wrote:er, mastermind, i don't think the lynch somebody regardless of their alignment stance is very protown, it looks like a really easy way for scum to orchestrate a mislynch without dirtying their hands very much.

unvote, vote: mastermind of sin


i'll reconsider this if you can provide some meta references to games you've pushed the same strategy as town.

and even if you can i'll continue to disagree with you on the topic.
I've done it to DrippingGoofball/Toaster Strudel on numerous occasions, but I don't think you understand what I'm talking about, because those situations aren't relevant. I'm not saying that Natirasha is a bad player who will hurt the town. I'm saying that Natirasha prides himself in actively
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to hurt the town in every game. He even tried to get the title "is Anti-Town" or some similar variation in the Title Fairy thread. Because the player himself does not want to help the town win, we are better off lynching him now rather than hoping for a good lynch D1. He could still be scum, which would be an extra bonus.
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Post Post #74 (isolation #9) » Tue May 27, 2008 5:53 pm

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And which people would that be, ChaosOmega?
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Post Post #94 (isolation #10) » Wed May 28, 2008 8:56 pm

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afk, attending my friend's funeral.
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Post Post #120 (isolation #11) » Fri May 30, 2008 9:36 am

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Why do people think I am eager to vote Korlash, when the only reason I voted him was because the dice told me to? It's called a random vote, people.

Unvote, Vote: Natirasha
This is who we should be lynching.
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Post Post #124 (isolation #12) » Fri May 30, 2008 12:43 pm

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Natirasha wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:Why do people think I am eager to vote Korlash, when the only reason I voted him was because the dice told me to? It's called a random vote, people.

Unvote, Vote: Natirasha
This is who we should be lynching.
Reasoning, kthxbai
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Mastermind of Sin wrote:fyi, we should probably lynch Natirasha today. Regardless of his alignment, he promises to always be anti-town even as town. Might as well make a useful lynch out of day 1.
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roflcopter wrote:er, mastermind, i don't think the lynch somebody regardless of their alignment stance is very protown, it looks like a really easy way for scum to orchestrate a mislynch without dirtying their hands very much.

unvote, vote: mastermind of sin


i'll reconsider this if you can provide some meta references to games you've pushed the same strategy as town.

and even if you can i'll continue to disagree with you on the topic.
I've done it to DrippingGoofball/Toaster Strudel on numerous occasions, but I don't think you understand what I'm talking about, because those situations aren't relevant. I'm not saying that Natirasha is a bad player who will hurt the town. I'm saying that Natirasha prides himself in actively
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to hurt the town in every game. He even tried to get the title "is Anti-Town" or some similar variation in the Title Fairy thread. Because the player himself does not want to help the town win, we are better off lynching him now rather than hoping for a good lynch D1. He could still be scum, which would be an extra bonus.
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Post Post #133 (isolation #13) » Sat May 31, 2008 6:45 am

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zu_faul is lying.
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Post Post #135 (isolation #14) » Sat May 31, 2008 3:44 pm

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zu_Faul wrote:I mean it was the only thing we had, and I got to believe in
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Post Post #142 (isolation #15) » Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:45 pm

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The case against Natirasha has nothing to do with his claim of Sygg. It is much stronger than that.
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Post Post #148 (isolation #16) » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:48 am

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I don't think we should waste a vig on natirasha. Lynches are renewable, but we only get 1 vig, if we have one.
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Post Post #161 (isolation #17) » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:38 pm

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I think all the scum have one-shot powers, too. It would make sense.
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Post Post #170 (isolation #18) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:17 pm

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Eye agree with Korlash
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Post Post #180 (isolation #19) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:47 am

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I'm not speculating on scum having one-shot roles. I'm telling you they do. Cuz, you know, the mod told us EVERY role has a one-shot ability? Duh...
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Post Post #186 (isolation #20) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:33 pm

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LoL. Have you ever heard of sarcasm?
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Post Post #193 (isolation #21) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:43 am

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guys, not lynching Natirasha would be epic fail. Although I could maybe be convinced to switch to zu_faul.
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Post Post #195 (isolation #22) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:58 am

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/me gives his money to Korlash.
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Post Post #199 (isolation #23) » Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:27 am

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you're gonna have to do better than that
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Post Post #218 (isolation #24) » Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:25 pm

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Mastermind of Sin wrote:guys, not lynching Natirasha would be epic fail. Although I could maybe be convinced to switch to zu_faul.
This is epic fail, but given the deadline and that no one is agreeing with me,
Unvote, Vote: zu_faul


The case against me is absolutely horrific. I cannot comprehend a protown person attempting to justify a vote with something that terrible, so my only possible conclusion is that zu_faul is scum trying to push through an agenda against me because he sees me as a threat.
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Post Post #228 (isolation #25) » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:56 am

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hmm, I really wish that zu_faul's claim made him more likely to be town. With so many cards, faking a claim is easy, and remember that scum also have one-shot abilities. I could see hider as a low-level scum ability, to protect themselves from vigs/cops/etc. I don't think we can judge
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in this game based on their claims being reasonable, because all the scum have reasonable claims that they can make, too. zu_faul's actions are the important thing to me, and they don't look protown.
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Post Post #236 (isolation #26) » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:12 pm

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roflcopter wrote:
mastermind wrote:zu_faul's actions are the important thing to me, and they don't look protown.
so far literally the only thing you've said against zu is that he's been pushing a wagon against you. you have the most posts on this entire site so you must know what omgus is. please provide a reason to vote zu beyond "ohmygodyousuck(forvotingme)," or just get lynched yourself. either one works at this point.
I'm not required to provide ALL the evidence against zu_faul. You're strawmanning us. Other people have presented evidence as well, based on his behavior that has nothing to do with my wagon.

Nice try, though.
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Post Post #240 (isolation #27) » Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:13 am

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btw, just so we're clear, I am not disputing zu_faul's claim. I think the mechanic fits the card perfectly.
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Post Post #242 (isolation #28) » Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:25 am

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zu_faul is also scummy for his push against Korlash, which didn't make any more sense (in fact, less sense) than his push against me. He started off by voting Korlash in his
second
random vote (seriously, who random votes twice? That's just not helpful), and then avoided posting content by repeatedly saying things like:
Can we lynch Korlash, please?
and
Why is Korlash not lynched yet?
not to mention
The way Korlash replies to the early votes makes me really think that randomly bandwagoning Korlash has found us scum,
This is where he tries to find some reasoning to justify his "random vote", but this reasoning is so weak it's laughable.

Then when Korlash responded to zu_faul, he replied with
zu_Faul wrote:I still kind of dislike how you keep saying the wagon was unimportant. I mean it was the only thing we had, and I got to believe in
something
.
Not only is this statement blatantly untrue (we had more than that to go on, hell I personally gave reasons to vote Natirasha well before that), but it also implies that the Korlash wagon was NOT unimportant. It was a wagon mostly composed of random votes that zu_faul tried to legitimize with shoddy reasoning. Then, in the same post, he contradicts himself by saying:
Xtoxm wrote:Basically, because it looks like a serious wagon.
Look, it is a SERIOUZ WAGON!

Now, that surprises me kind of. It seems like I'm steering the one-man wagon of
fun
doom!
So basically it's not an unimportant wagon, but when people say it's a serious wagon, is gets all sarcastic and implies that it was pretty much a random wagon for fun. He tries to have it both ways, depending on which fit the defense he's trying to pull at the moment.

So yea. My case is NOT omgus, and it is NOT solely based on his bad vote against me.
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Post Post #245 (isolation #29) » Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:46 am

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zu_Faul wrote:Yeah, at first the Korlash vote was kind of random, but his replies justified my vote staying on him.
Your "justification" presupposes that Korlash's wagon deserved serious attention from Korlash, and it completely fails to take into account Korlash's own personality.
Which reasons did you have for Natirasha other than policy?
None. I never claimed to have anything else to that case, but at least the case I had was justifiable.
The wagon was important. At the moment Xtoxm wrote his comment, I was the only one left at the wagon which made it unimportant.
Most everyone else on the wagon was not voting Korlash seriously, so even when there were more people than you on the wagon, it was STILL not important.
So yes, you proved your case is not only OMGUS, it is BS as well :)
Likewise.
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Post Post #248 (isolation #30) » Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:43 am

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Korlash, a hider's
normal
flavor is that they hide away from everyone, but the
mechanic
is that they cannot be targeted by anyone. It fits.
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Post Post #251 (isolation #31) » Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:42 pm

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I don't think Korlash is trying to lynch zu_faul based off his role flavor...
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Post Post #261 (isolation #32) » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:31 pm

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mr. incrediball wrote:nocmen, roflcopter and MoS all make good cases against roflcopter, MoS and ZF, respectively. i'm going to leave that little threesome alone for now.
This really sets off my scumdar...
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Post Post #273 (isolation #33) » Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:59 pm

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By the way, I'd like to say that Korlash is playing pretty much the way he always does. If you look at what he says and think "there's no way anyone could actually
believe
that...", take a look at his title. He earned it playing a newbie game against me, where we ended up dubbing him "Krap Logick Korlash". I can vouch for his...logick...
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Post Post #282 (isolation #34) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:30 am

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zu_Faul wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:
zu_Faul wrote:Yeah, at first the Korlash vote was kind of random, but his replies justified my vote staying on him.
Your "justification" presupposes that Korlash's wagon deserved serious attention from Korlash, and it completely fails to take into account Korlash's own personality.
I am not willing to reward bad play.
Neither am I, but then why are you unwilling to vote Natirasha?
Which reasons did you have for Natirasha other than policy?
None. I never claimed to have anything else to that case, but at least the case I had was justifiable.
See. Nothing else was going on. There was no ingame activity indicating someone's scumminess here.
But there WAS something else going on. There was the
in-game
discussion of whether or not we should lynch Natirasha.
The wagon was important. At the moment Xtoxm wrote his comment, I was the only one left at the wagon which made it unimportant.
Most everyone else on the wagon was not voting Korlash seriously, so even when there were more people than you on the wagon, it was STILL not important.
Serious or not, they were voting him. I can't do anything if they are üansies who unvote at the first oppurtunity.
You do realize that what you just said is completely illogical, right?
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Post Post #292 (isolation #35) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:56 pm

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roflcopter wrote:mos, i'm curious as to why you allow korlash to play like an idiot but wanted to policy lynch natirasha for the same transgression.

double standard much?
Cuz Natirasha does it on purpose.
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Post Post #314 (isolation #36) » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:44 pm

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*sigh*, why have we not lynched zu_faul yet?
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Post Post #318 (isolation #37) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:18 am

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I disagree. I think the mod was very specific in who was given what role, for balance purposes. Glork is not one to leave things to random chance. I don't see rofl's claim as having a possible anti-town alignment. He could be lying about it, but that seems unlikely as well, unless he was given a safe claim...
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Post Post #325 (isolation #38) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:54 am

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If I had to choose right now, based off my gut:

roflcopter - not scum
Natirasha - not scum
ChaosOmega - ???
mr. incrediball (replaces stark D1) - scum
Mastermind of Sin - not scum
roffman - ???
Xtoxm - ???
zu_Faul - ??? leaning not scum now, actually
Grimmy - ??? leaning not scum
Korlash - not scum
The Jester - ???
Nocmen - ???

I've got bad vibes from mr. incrediball's posts. I will go back to zu_faul if we need to get a lynch before deadline, but I'd prefer this wagon.

Unvote, Vote: Mr. Incrediball
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Post Post #330 (isolation #39) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:46 am

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roflcopter wrote:a korlash lynch is better than a no lynch.

mos's latest post will be a goldmine once he flips scum.
Scum don't leave goldmine posts laying around. :)

Unvote, Vote: zu_faul


Deadline is in about 15 min.
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Post Post #333 (isolation #40) » Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:55 am

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mr incrediball, you should vote for zu_faul. If you don't and Korlash dies, I'm going to lynch you tomorrow. You are online before deadline, so you have no excuse for letting the claimed vig die.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #41) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:18 am

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Well then...
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Post Post #357 (isolation #42) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:49 am

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You still haven't given a reason for WHY I am obvscum.
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Post Post #361 (isolation #43) » Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:38 am

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...that was the worst attempt to determine if the person you investigated was scum, ever. Because you didn't even try.
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Post Post #365 (isolation #44) » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:34 pm

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Xtoxm wrote:What do you mean? I prodded Glork but I don't get to find out alignment.
I mean, why did you just reveal your investigation instead of first trying to trap Nocmen in a lie when he was unsuspecting?
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Post Post #373 (isolation #45) » Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:45 am

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rofl, I wish I had a discard ability...
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Post Post #381 (isolation #46) » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:40 pm

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nothing new has happened since I last posted...just roflcopter continuing to push unfounded suspicion against me.
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Post Post #389 (isolation #47) » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:46 pm

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Natirasha wrote:Rofl: Since you apparently no longer have your ability, what was it?
For some reason, this comment makes me think Natirasha might have something to do with rofl's ability loss...
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Post Post #391 (isolation #48) » Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:15 am

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But it's a scum nonetheless...
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Post Post #398 (isolation #49) » Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:55 pm

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[quote="roflcopter"]mastermind: why still no comment about my poisoning the well point against ooba?
/quote]

Because I don't understand the point of the comment.
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Post Post #401 (isolation #50) » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:06 am

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roflcopter wrote:even though all evidence points to the contrary, ooba is trying to plant seeds of doubt in everyone's mind about whether i was telling the truth about both my role and the fact that i got discarded.

this can only be so that on some future day, the scum can try to get me lynched.

you've been around this site for long enough that i really don't buy you not understanding that argument the first time around. you're scum with ooba.
If you'd said "planting seeds of doubt", I would've understood what you meant. I had no idea what "poison the well" meant.
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Post Post #420 (isolation #51) » Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:46 am

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roflcopter wrote:at this point i think you two are probably scum together.

he took a damn long time to come around to understanding what the point i was making against you, and even when he finally got it he didn't actually say anything one way or another on the topic.
That's because "poisoning the well" and "not blindly following with someone's claim" look exactly the same to a paranoid player who is doing everything he can to cast suspicion on someone other than himself. *coughroflcoptercough*
on top of that, when xtoxm started the day out with his claim, info reveal, vote nocmen(you), mos was the first person to fire back at
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This is the biggest load of bullshit ever. I didn't at all say Xtoxm was scum for his claim. Here is EXACTLY what I said about Xtoxm's claim.
Mastermind of Sin wrote:...that was the worst attempt to determine if the person you investigated was scum, ever. Because you didn't even try.
Mastermind of Sin wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:What do you mean? I prodded Glork but I don't get to find out alignment.
I mean, why did you just reveal your investigation instead of first trying to trap Nocmen in a lie when he was unsuspecting?
Not once did I mention anything about thinking he was scum because of that claim. You're completely making things up now.
FoS: roflcopter
You're going to need to be way more creative to make a believable case against me.
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Post Post #424 (isolation #52) » Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:14 pm

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ChaosOmega wrote:I agree with roflcopter that discard makes the most sense in terms of losing a power. Mill doesn't make too much sense since you already have the power and it's not in your library, card steal I can only see being valid if you've already used the power (Memory Plunder, for example). Also, card steal, at least in terms of instants and sorceries, is pretty rare in Magic. Abilities can't be used (like Orim's Chant) would probably be more of a roleblock, and shuffling into the library also doesn't make too much sense, since you would draw it again.

Making the assumption that roflcopter was hit with a discard effect, then Grimmy is the most likely person to have did it. Xtoxm and Nocmen have already claimed, which leaves:

Me (Mirrodin)
Natirasha (Alpha)
Mastermind of Sin (Nemesis)
roffman (Time Spiral)
Grimmy (Planar Chaos)
Korlash (4th Edition)

as possible candidates to have caused roflcopter to discard Regrowth. Alpha has no instants or sorceries that can cause a player to discard a card (it has Hypnotic Specter, a creature, and Disrupting Scepter, an artifact), which eliminates Natirasha. Nemesis also has no discard in instants or sorceries, which clears MoS. And while Mirrodin has Wrench Mind, 4th Edition has Mind Twist, and Time Spiral has Mindstab, Planar Chaos has two cards that specifically state that target player discards a card: Dismal Failure and Piracy Charm.

I understand that it's not definitive that discard is the only means of removing powers, but I think it's by far the most likely, and if discard was used, it's most likely Grimmy.
And you guys didn't think my set claiming idea was gonna be useful...still think I am scum?
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Post Post #426 (isolation #53) » Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:25 pm

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No. Cassandra Complex refers to me catching scum all the time but never being able to convince the town to lynch them.
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Post Post #438 (isolation #54) » Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:24 pm

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I'd like a deadline extension.
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Post Post #443 (isolation #55) » Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:17 pm

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I don't have a reason to vote ooba, but I'm not going to try to stop it either, because I don't have a reason NOT to vote him.
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Post Post #449 (isolation #56) » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:49 am

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Have we really had 7/12 cards revealed already? Perhaps we should mass claim if the mod gives us a deadline extension...
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Post Post #475 (isolation #57) » Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:36 pm

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roflcopter wrote:
roffman wrote:anyone have any idea of any other scumspects besides korlash?
mastermind of sin
roflcopter wrote:
unvote, vote: mastermind of sin


i like it
roflcopter wrote:four days until deadline, more people clearly need to vote mastermind of sin
roflcopter wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:guys, not lynching Natirasha would be epic fail. Although I could maybe be convinced to switch to zu_faul.
this is why we should be lynching mastermind of sin
roflcopter wrote:guys this wagon is retarded.

who thought it was a good idea? oh yeah, korlash and mastermind of sin, the axis of evil.

can we get back to lynching mastermind now?
roflcopter wrote:in other news xtoxm is a moron and you guys should really lynch mastermind of sin and korlash in the next two days.
roflcopter wrote:all right you guys, don't say i didn't warn you when no pro town player is happy that i've claimed and every scum has a big smile on their face.

i am regrowth and my one shot ability is to grant anyone who has already used their one shot ability a second shot. so i am
all of your abilities
.

lets get on with lynching korlash or mastermind of sin now.
roflcopter wrote:korlash's claim jives with what he said yesterday, though i don't understand his reasoning for killing mr. i honestly thought that the jester would be the one who got vigged.

vote: mastermind of sin


still obvscum
Blatant propaganda.

Vote: roflcopter
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Post Post #480 (isolation #58) » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:39 am

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roflcopter wrote:hey look, mos can use the sort posts by player function, i'm so proud.

would it be too much to ask for you to meta me and see that i do this to people all the time? i guess so, since you're just trying to set up the mislynch when we're in lylo tomorrow.
So you're saying that you make completely useless and contentless comments to try and get people lynched for no reason? And that I should
meta
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Post Post #491 (isolation #59) » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:37 am

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Hmm. Let's see here. Which one of us has 10,000 posts? Me or Rofl? Hmm, no, I don't think your one example of randomly bandwagoning all the scum in a game is going to impress me. At all. You won't be able to do it again unless you have evidence to support your case. People may follow you on the wagons, but you won't hit scum. Get over yourself and actually play the game instead of thinking you can ride on the heels of one successful game where you didn't actually do anything.
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Post Post #496 (isolation #60) » Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:26 pm

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An appeal to authority requires there to be an argument presented. You haven't presented any arguments against me yet.
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Post Post #497 (isolation #61) » Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:27 pm

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Oh, and yes, you are a stupid newbie who gets nothing right.
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Post Post #500 (isolation #62) » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:50 am

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I very much did present a case against Natirasha. He has repeatedly stated in other threads that he makes a point out of playing as anti-town in all of his games, regardless of his actual alignment. For my first lynch suspect of the day, that's a pretty damn good reason to go after someone. You, on the other hand, are STILL trying to get me lynched near the end of
Day TWO
and have yet to even post a case against me. There's a huge difference.
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Post Post #520 (isolation #63) » Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:58 pm

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*bump*


...and step and bump and step...
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Post Post #530 (isolation #64) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:28 am

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Does anyone want to claim that roffman kill?

Players living:

roflcopter
Natirasha
Mastermind of Sin
Xtoxm
Grimmy
Korlash

roffman's voting record:

Korlash
Natirasha
Korlash
zu_faul
MoS
Korlash
roflcopter
zu_faul
roflcopter
zu_faul
ooba
ooba

That leaves Xtoxm and Grimmy. I'd stake my reputation that one of them is scum with roffman, and the other lies in the group of people he voted for (assuming there are 3 mafia)
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Post Post #535 (isolation #65) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:31 pm

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Still wrong, still don't have a case for it. Get over yourself, roflcopter.
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Post Post #536 (isolation #66) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:36 pm

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I just remembered that both Grimmy and Xtoxm claimed already. I looked over their claim, and Grimmy's is very fishy. Everyone's gonna have an ability to claim, and if I was scum trying to get my claim out when I wasn't under pressure where it would look bad, that's how I'd do it.

And while Grimmy's theory of the night results makes sense, I had other ideas as to what could've happened besides that, so I wasn't about to assume anything. Someone who assumed that C.O. took out roffman with him probably has his theory strengthened by the knowledge that roffman targeted C.O. last night.
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Post Post #539 (isolation #67) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:35 pm

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Korlash, I only mentioned Xtoxm and Grimmy because they are the two I previously stated are most likely to contain a scumpartner of roffman's. I was reading their posts in isolation when I noticed the claims.

Also, I forgot to do this in my last post.
Vote: Grimmy

roflcopter wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:I just remembered that both Grimmy and Xtoxm claimed already. I looked over their claim, and Grimmy's is very fishy. Everyone's gonna have an ability to claim, and if I was scum trying to get my claim out when I wasn't under pressure where it would look bad, that's how I'd do it.

And while Grimmy's theory of the night results makes sense, I had other ideas as to what could've happened besides that, so I wasn't about to assume anything. Someone who assumed that C.O. took out roffman with him probably has his theory strengthened by the knowledge that roffman targeted C.O. last night.
this is a load of crap. "thats how i'd do it if i were scum" is a totally bogus argument, all you're trying to do is backhandedly prove you can't be scum because you didn't do that. which is bull.
That's bullshit. You're extracting things from my statement that I didn't say at all. If I was scum, Grimmy's actions are not the ONLY way I would handle things. However, *if* I was planning to find a way to keep from coming under pressure (not my usual style), I would claim when I was NOT under pressure, using a claim that would normally be dismissed if people already thought I was scummy. But since I claimed it when no one thought I was scummy, they would tend more to believe it. This would be particularly successful in a game of one-shots where I could claim I already used my ability, giving me an excuse to not be able to prove it at a later date.
the second paragraph is equally unprovable and clearly just designed to paint grimmy in as bad a light as possible without actually showing him to have done anything scummy at all.

i'd like everyone to keep in mind that with six alive we are very probably in lylo right now.
So...you're playing a game of mafia and complaining because someone came up with a theory that can't be
proved
? What kind of mafia are you used to playing? It's not mafia if you can just prove who is right or wrong. Mafia is about logical reasoning and theories, which is what I presented. I can think of other explanations for roffman's death, and my asking about it was an attempt to see if any of my other theories were correct. However, Grimmy's response is a tell in my book, so I'm going to follow it up to see if my theory makes sense. I'm not out to
prove
anything, because you can't
prove
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Post Post #546 (isolation #68) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:43 am

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Grimmy wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:I just remembered that both Grimmy and Xtoxm claimed already. I looked over their claim, and Grimmy's is very fishy. Everyone's gonna have an ability to claim, and if I was scum trying to get my claim out when I wasn't under pressure where it would look bad, that's how I'd do it.

And while Grimmy's theory of the night results makes sense, I had other ideas as to what could've happened besides that, so I wasn't about to assume anything. Someone who assumed that C.O. took out roffman with him probably has his theory strengthened by the knowledge that roffman targeted C.O. last night.
1) I was under some pressure to claim, as I was the only one who did not claim my card set, so I went full with my disclosure, because everyone was trying to link me to the scum cards of the set.

2) When you see a bomb townie and a scum died in the same night, its safe to assume they took each other out. The other option, is that someone else was targeted for a NK, and either C.O. prevented it with his suicide, or the person targeted was blocked. This is all covered in the BASIC DEDUCTIONS handbook in chapter four.

Grimmy
read all the way up to chapter six so far, and is waiting for his pipe and magnifying glass kit in the mail.
Do you think roffman died because he targeted C.O.?
Grimmy wrote:
So, you ask a question, and whoever answers is scum?
Of course not. It depends on what their answer is. I don't think your answer was the most obvious or logical answer, unless it was coming from a scum perspective.
Grimmy wrote:
Korlash wrote: Grimmy's claim is a one shot self protector, which if I remember correctly, was Jester's role... So whats the chance we have a hider, doctor, and TWO self Protectors?

So
Vote: Grimmy
I am willing to bet the Scum were given a protection role, I would assume it to be a Doc and not a self-protector but hey, its all a lie anyways.
When I saw thet Jester was given that ability, I figured it to be one of those "standard vanilla" powers. Especially given that this is a one-shot deal, it would give the town a balance to counter not only the mafia having powers, but them having night kills as well.

Grimmy
no, rofl is not dead yet. (answering Korlash's eaelier question)
Doubt it. There are plenty of other shitty one-shot abilities to give people so they aren't just townies.

quote="Grimmy"]
Mastermind of Sin wrote:so I'm going to follow it up to see if my theory makes sense.
this by itself seems like a town move, but I want to go back and see ROFL's arguement that MOS is scum.

I point this out because im trying to read if MOS' arguement against me is scum hunting or a case of framing me. The "I ask a question and if you answer, your scum" theory bothers me, hence my suspicion.

Grimmy
will have to read back on this.[/quote]

Good luck with that. rofl never posted a case against me. He even admitted that he hadn't done it. Claims it's his "playstyle"...
Grimmy wrote:So you are saying that since I did not post anything worth voting on me for...I am scum.
Not at all. The post you quoted had nothing to do with you. The post you quoted was an analysis of roffman's posts to see who were his most likely scumpartners. I later looked at your posts and made further additions to my case off of that. You're being extremely misleading here.
With this logic, I may ask you to do my taxes...I walk in with a minimum wage salary and walk out a milloinaire!

Grimmy
wants to see MOS' trick with the hat and the rabbit again
This is just unnecessary baiting borne out of a need to be inflammatory because you don't have any logic or reasoning to back up your claims.
Grimmy wrote:PS
if I seem a little harsh in my sarcasm towards MOS' vote on me, its from the disappointment. He is sewing together a shoddy case against me and is either keeping his attention off of himself (if he is scum), or is wasting his scum hunting abilities on a townie and letting the scum get by (if he is town)

at the moment, Im more inclined to think him town (I do not have solid suspicions on anyone worth mentioning at the moment, this will change after a thorugh reread), so im dissapointed in both the weak case against me and the apparent lack of evidence for a case on someone else.

More later
Grimmy
*sigh* I expected better.
Not buying it. "Disappointed"? Poppycock.

Vote stays, especially after the squirming he's doing now.
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Post Post #548 (isolation #69) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:42 pm

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To be fair, I thought it was Mr. Incrediball that was scum, not zu_faul...and I stated as much, but no one followed me, so zu_faul got lynched.
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Post Post #551 (isolation #70) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:33 pm

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What on earth are you talking about?
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Post Post #556 (isolation #71) » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:22 am

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Grimmy wrote:
Korlash wrote:Yeah man MoS never said shit about "obviously" town. His point is that theres plenty of roles to give without having to give the same role twice.
I figured the mod did that to mindf*ck the townies.
I disagree.
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Post Post #567 (isolation #72) » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:40 pm

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Anyone who thinks I'm scum with grimmy is stupid. I shouldn't have to explain why.

I'm not sold on Natirasha being scum with grimmy, but I also can't remember what he claimed. Someone wanna refresh my memory? I think it's better that I not claim, purely because the scum won't know whether or not I have an ability that's worth killing me over. Since, rofl, Korlash, and Xtoxm have all reportedly used their abilities, I wouldn't be surprised to wake up with me or Natirasha dead tomorrow.
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Post Post #569 (isolation #73) » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:02 pm

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Natirasha wrote:Terribly sorry, I put 4E in, not it was actually Alpha, Beta, Unlimited, Revised. My card is
Fork
, and I am a motivator variant, I guess.

Once in the game, I can target two players. If the first player uses his ability at night, and it targets, he will now target the second player I chose in addition to the target he chose. It's rather confusing.
This claim actually makes sense to me. I can't see anyone coming up with a fake claim like this. No offense, Natirasha, but there are few players in this game who I
might
think would do it, and you aren't one of them. In fact, the person living who I think is most likely faking their claim is Grimmy, followed by roflcopter. However, I could see Natirasha's claim as possibly anti-town, and he'd still be telling the truth about his claim. For that matter, Xtoxm's claim could also be an anti-town role.
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Post Post #578 (isolation #74) » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:36 pm

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Korlash wrote:Does anyoneelse find it strange MoS is trying to make it look really hard like he isn't Grimmy's partner and is Nats?

so... if we logically deduce what he is thinking in a game of WIFOM... he has put the poisioned cup in front of us because he knows we would think he kept it to himself. mhm... in short.. things are as they appear.. and the scum pair is MoS/nat...

But... no... grimmy is scum... aww man I hurt my brain... ouch... i need to lie down...
Again, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why I'm not grimmy's scumpartner. I really shouldn't have to explain this.

Natirasha, why am I confirmed to you? I shouldn't be. I haven't even claimed yet.

I agree that Nat's claim doesn't look as good in light of rofl's comment, but I also don't think that scum would claim something like that AFTER claiming their role, so it looks more like a mistake than anything else.

Regardless, though, I don't really trust anyone at this point in the game. I could find a reason to vote for just about anyone, but grimmy's death plus the following night should resolve a lot of those issues.
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Post Post #581 (isolation #75) » Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:38 pm

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I don't believe there is any way Grimmy is not scum at this point. You keep trying to say that I could be scum, therefore lynching grimmy would end the game in a scum win, and then you turn around and ask me why I'm not concerned about scum winning if we lynch grimmy? I know my own alignment, so I know there is no way whatsoever that I am part of a scumgroup whose nefarious plan is to lynch grimmy for the win.
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Post Post #582 (isolation #76) » Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:41 pm

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However, standard precaution:

Grimmy, on the offchance that you ARE town and we do NOT lose by lynching you (I can think of ways for this to happen, trust me...), please give us an analysis of this game including your in-depth opinion of each player. If you're going to die and be proven town, I want all of your reasoning out on the table before it's too late. Your reasoning might or might not be wrong, but at least tomorrow we'd know it was protown. I think it could be very useful to the town, and if you actually *are* town, there is no reason for you NOT to do this.
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Post Post #586 (isolation #77) » Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:15 pm

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Because I'm awesome like that. LoL
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Post Post #587 (isolation #78) » Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:15 pm

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roflcopter wrote:mos, who do you think grimmy's scumpartner is?
Natirasha, roflcopter, or Xtoxm.
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Post Post #589 (isolation #79) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:10 am

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*pokes Grimmy*
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Post Post #593 (isolation #80) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:11 pm

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So wait...you're telling me that Nat is definitely scum with one of Grimmy/MoS, and you're trying to convince me to vote for Nat because he might be scum with me? By your logic, Grimmy is as confirmed scum as Nat, because I know he's not scum with me. In fact, I think Grimmy has to be the scumpartner of whichever of Natirasha/roflcopter is the remaining scum, and it's starting to look a lot like roflcopter...
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Post Post #596 (isolation #81) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:52 am

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Wait, so you're saying it's not a stupid idea for me to be your scumpartner, Grimmy? :shock:
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Post Post #607 (isolation #82) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:23 pm

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Grimmy's obviously just stalling for time here. Lynch please.
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Post Post #609 (isolation #83) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:28 pm

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Wow, somehow I missed like 5 posts...
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Post Post #611 (isolation #84) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:09 pm

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Pretty sure it's rofl or Natirasha at this point. It will be interesting to see who they try to kill tonight.

For the record, I have not used my ability yet, so I do not have any results to claim before we go to night.
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Post Post #613 (isolation #85) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:11 pm

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Korlash wrote:Really? Really MoS? Me and Xtom aren't under your suspicions? I mean it's not like you haven't been saying that for the last 2 pages.
Actually, I can think of reasons for all of you to be scum one way or another, but I think rofl and Nat are the most likely by a longshot, especially if Grimmy comes up scum.
Lets cut the crap here, I hope you can at least agree with me that being the only one not to claim AND happening to have not used your ability after two nights does cast a little suspicion as to your validicity.

MoS man... your not proven town man.
Where did I say or act like I was proven town? If I gave the wrong impression, I'm sorry, because I am *not* proven town to anyone except myself. As for my ability, I saved it on purpose. I'll explain why if I'm alive tomorrow.
Even with Grimmy flipping scum it doesn't prove anything because, well, your you. You've been in how many games? 50...00...0?

Also, just for the record I have no idea why you even think theres no possible way you and Grimmy could be partners... I'm gunna assume it has somethign to do with a large amount of distancing that would have had to have taken place... or something... Seeing as how we're not going anywhere you can fill me in on it.

Other then that... um... yeah... see you all tomorrow eh?
If Grimmy and I are scum together, I just passed on an automatic win to lynch Grimmy today. I could've easily gone after roflcopter or Natirasha and won the game right now. I
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the case against Grimmy. I am solely responsible for anyone even bothering to put pressure on him today. I started this lynch, and it would be retarded for me to do so as scum with Grimmy.
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Post Post #618 (isolation #86) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:43 am

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Natirasha wrote:By the way, MoS, I'm using my power on you tonight. Mostly 'cuz your the only one who hasn't used their role yet(maybe) and I have a good idea on what your role is.
If you're town and told the truth about your role, you should not use your role on me. Sorry.
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Post Post #623 (isolation #87) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:47 am

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Except I am paying attention. If I didn't know what Nat's power was, I wouldn't say don't use it on me.
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Post Post #625 (isolation #88) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:16 am

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Makes you want to see rofl hang, or Xtoxm? Personally, it makes me want to see rofl hang. He's desperate.
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Post Post #627 (isolation #89) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:31 am

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Yea, just wanted to make sure there wasn't a misunderstanding. If we'd gone to night and suddenly you died and rofl claimed you wanted to see Xtoxm claim, that could cause problems.
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Post Post #633 (isolation #90) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:35 pm

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Funny.
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Post Post #635 (isolation #91) » Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:21 am

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ummm...
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Post Post #644 (isolation #92) » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:41 pm

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lol, I joined at 6th edition. That sucks, cuz it means I'm not old school, but I'm not new either. Also, they had started selling the starter sets, so it means I'm not hardcore either. Go me.
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Post Post #660 (isolation #93) » Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:14 am

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I think rofl should vote for Nat. *smirks*
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Post Post #676 (isolation #94) » Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:44 am

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Yea, I took away rofl's vote. I was expecting there to be a kill last night, so I was going to force a no lynch with 4 alive (3 possible votes, 3 to lynch, if I withheld my vote we couldn't lynch), since that's the best play in that situation. With 5 alive, we have 2 lynches, so I think our best play is to get rid of Natirasha first (since rofl is at least marginally less likely to be scum than Nat at this point), and then rofl (but I don't think it will come to that.

Vote: Natirasha
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Post Post #678 (isolation #95) » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:20 am

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Off Balance.
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Post Post #688 (isolation #96) » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:47 pm

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For the record, I didn't want Natirasha to use his ability to copy mine because it would leave us with only 2 votes today, had someone died, which isn't enough to get majority.
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Post Post #689 (isolation #97) » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:48 pm

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Korlash wrote:o..k.. yeah so I was one of the two that wanted to keep playing... So don't be surprised when I call you all idiots... I didn't wait that long ass night to make today the shortest lategame day posible... dumbasses...
I also chose to keep playing, mostly because I expected it would only take 1 more day to finish the game. I didn't expect the scum to withhold their kill.
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Post Post #691 (isolation #98) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:36 am

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If I was scum and had the ability I'm claiming, why would I claim to have it? On top of that, why would I forgo my kill to steal rofl's vote today? If I am scum, the correct strategy would have been to kill Xtoxm last night, push a no lynch today (as the correct strategy when 4 are alive and 1 scum left), and then steal rofl's vote the next day so that we woke up with 4 alive and only 3 votes, which means I could not be lynched. Then I could either convince people to use their lynch on rofl or Nat, or push for another no lynch to make myself look good by using protown strategy, and then get one or the other lynched the next day. Why would I waste my ability now, when it has almost no effect at all? It doesn't stop my lynch, because the other 3 players could still gang up on me, and I have now given the town 2 more lynches instead of reducing them to 1, which increases the chances of them winning if I am scum.
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Post Post #699 (isolation #99) » Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:36 pm

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You guys are idiots. We deserve to lose this game.
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Post Post #744 (isolation #100) » Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:59 pm

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Why the hell did you guys lynch me? Korlash posted something that supposedly "owned" me, and then you all lynched me without even waiting for a response. I'm going to respond now, because in no way did Korlash "own" me. You guys put the cart way before the horse, and caused another mislynch.
Korlash wrote:Well you would claim to have it because once Rofl found out he didn't have a vote, if you didn't claim it then we would all know something was out of whack. Besides the argument that one power is more pro-town then another is off unless we try to boil this down to a pre-made "deck" for both sides. So I don't think you would have any fear of claiming that ability.
There is no reason I would have to claim that as my ability if I
did not use it
, which is what
scum would do
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suboptimal
for scum to have used my ability that night, so why the fuck would I risk losing the game?
As far as that play goe, perhaps you cannot use your power in endgame for just that reason. Plus your going to have to argue why any scum would have forgone that night kill, as it did happen. So argue all you want abotu why you would have given us two lynches, its kkinda moot becuase why would ANYONE as scum do that? It happened, and I can safely assume it was becuase of a choice to use a power or not.
Not killing was stupid. The mafia should have used every kill available to them. If you think I'm stupid AND mafia, then you should maybe vote for me. My ability is completely useless with 5 alive, so I would have been better off just killing someone and leaving the town with only 1 lynch if I was scum. Whether or not I could use my ability at endgame, it wouldn't be worth giving up a kill. Why the fuck do you think I would do that?
Other questions become, why didn't scum kill you? You claimed to still have power, yet did not reveal what it was. So why didn't scum kill you to keep you from using said power? The most obvious answer would be that they choose to kill one of the "sorta-confirmed" roles, i.e. me or Xtom. But that did not happen. So we have to fall back on, they didn't kill you to use their own power.
Killing me isn't really a good idea for scum. If I had a good power, why would I save it this long when I could've been killed or lynched before getting to use it? The fact that I still had it gave away that it wasn't a great power, but I wanted to obfuscate that in the hopes that scum *might* kill me. I didn't expect them, too, though, and neither should you.
Besides, why would you kill Xtom over me? I've proven to be a lot more active then him and I sorta feel I was a key element in ouing Grimmy... so I think I would be the more obvious scum kill between the two... then again I have an inflated ego the sixe of Texas...
I would kill Xtoxm over you if I was scum because you actually believed me the day before (only to turn on me the next day for really crappy reasons, but whatever), whereas Xtoxm kept me as a possible suspect. Why kill the person who seems most likely to NOT vote you?
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Post Post #745 (isolation #101) » Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:00 pm

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roflcopter wrote:well that was dumb

nat, when are you gonna learn that SELF VOTING IS NOT A GOOD IDEA

good game xtoxm. that was a bold move claiming your rolecop result.
What was bold about it? He was given a safe claim with a real ability. Any scum would have to be stupid NOT to confirm themselves.
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Post Post #754 (isolation #102) » Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:09 pm

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roffman, I don't know what necessarily gave you away as scum, but I know you betrayed both of your partners to the simplest analysis possible.
Mastermind of Sin wrote:Does anyone want to claim that roffman kill?

Players living:

roflcopter
Natirasha
Mastermind of Sin
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Grimmy
Korlash

roffman's voting record:

Korlash
Natirasha
Korlash
zu_faul
MoS
Korlash
roflcopter
zu_faul
roflcopter
zu_faul
ooba
ooba

That leaves Xtoxm and Grimmy.
I'd stake my reputation that one of them is scum with roffman, and the other lies in the group of people he voted for (assuming there are 3 mafia)
Goddamnit. I pegged you both. I didn't trust myself due to laws of probability. Fuck. I should be more confident in my ability in the future. =P
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Post Post #756 (isolation #103) » Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:23 pm

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Too bad for you that I don't think that way, then. =P
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Post Post #758 (isolation #104) » Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:39 pm

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WIFOM doesn't do you any good when you're
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Post Post #760 (isolation #105) » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:54 am

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Heh. I figured the scum would be too scared to fake claim their sets when I made them mass claim it Day 1, so that would pin them down to less options when it came time to claim the rest of their role.
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Post Post #762 (isolation #106) » Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:03 am

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lucky. =P
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