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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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VOTE: dunn

this is de facto G-1 with NM in the game, let’s get an intent on dunn

Wtf is G

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I'm torn between following two basic principles.

One basic principle is that you don't pressure suspected TPRs because they have greater utility on average than non-PRs. Especially in a game like this, you give them room to operate.

The other basic principle works like "duck typing" in programming. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck. Someone who isn't scumhunting, especially those making an effort to be present but not scumhunt, are typically scum. My gold standard for this is people either not expressing scumreads, or saying things about alignment opinions but never giving a real reason.

By the TPR principle I'm explicitly against pressuring the top 5-6 draft picks early in the game,

regardless of behavior

. They can be the last elims because the ones left standing are the ones most likely to be scum. If we have a doc we may get lucky and have more no-kill nights, extending the game to the point where a pure mechanical solve is possible. If we have 1-shots that are more useful the smaller the player list gets, we give them room and don't out them so that scum don't know who the real danger is.

By the not scumhunting principle, I'm being pinged by Dunnstral, Something_Smart, and Best Bird. 2/3 of those are especially annoying because people explicitly townread them for things that I would consider to be NAI at best and explicitly scumtells in most players. Not_Mafia will take his slot from a "weird but could be town" read straight to this category. The conflict between this principle and the TPR principle is obviously largest in Dunnstral.

I tend to SR people who don't acknowledge the TPR principle. Hoopla is a prime candidate for this award. I really don't give a shit what the numbers say about scum doubling or not doubling. The TPR principle overrides that. If you don't have an explicit reason to scumread a presumed TPR, you don't yeet them, period. One thing gives me pause here, and that's the "protect via suspecting" strategy. Scum will choose not to NK people that they think are easy miselims. I have to acknowledge that some players purposely "suspect" the players they have identified as likely TPRs so that scum won't kill them as universal town reads.

What this all boils down to is thinking for today (and possibly tomorrow) that we should eliminate either the soft guilty from N1 to rule it out, or an explicitly scummy or not scumhunting player from the later part of the draft. The only scenario that can actually burn us with this strategy is all 3 scum in the early part because they all picked low unique numbers and town got extremely unlucky to not double any of the scum low numbers. I'm not unwilling to eliminate Dunnstral because I can see him playing this way as scum, but I'm concerned about it being too early from a pure mechanical point of view.

tl;dr

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VOTE: Dunnstral

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VOTE: Dunnstral

just wanna say that if dunn is scum this vote gets no cred whatsoever on future days, mmkay everyone

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god fuckin damn it

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My role sucks

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think we're at

G-1

now btw

We can't have anyone at E-1 with Not_Mafia in the game

UNVOTE: Dunnstral

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is it mafia goon?

No that's a good role

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My role sucks

is it mafia goon?

No that's a good role

ohh, you rolled town cop, commiserations

Maybe

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VOTE: dunn

@NM, i have a gift for you on this blessed day, please find it enclosed in the spoiler tag below!

Spoiler:

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VOTE: Dumbstral

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I am not a cop

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I am the neighbouriser

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I am the neighbouriser

yeah, figured. JV neighborized uncrowned night 1, right?


minimum 1 in 5 in {me, infinity, menalque, dave, smart}.

Yup

I targetted Menalque last night but the action failed

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Dunnstral would have been neighborized before N_M repped in, right?

No, I neighboured Dunnstral cos he was the most familiar name on the playerlist

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Nope

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Calling bullshit on mena. I jailkept NM last night. I think mena is lying about being blocked to avoid having to give more results.

Also mena’s play D3 makes no sense as a cop receiving an innocent result on skitter. I want crumbs.

And to think I was going to spam knock knock jokes at Menalque all day, look at what you've cost us

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It's 14-0 now, I'm town

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VOTE: Menalque

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You're who I felt like talking to

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or, well, shitposting at

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I can't believe anyone would accuse me of not trying

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N_M who did JV neighbourise N1?

Uncrowned

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Was there anything in the PT? Also, did you talk to dunn at all in the other PT?

Jackson and Uncrowned both had as their second most confident scum read. Jackson biggest scumread was Peta, Uncrowned's was TGP

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Was there anything in the PT? Also, did you talk to dunn at all in the other PT?

Jackson and Uncrowned both had YOU* as their second most confident scum read. Jackson biggest scumread was Peta, Uncrowned's was TGP

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Yes

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Uncrowned just mourned his inevitable death night 2

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Jackson mentioned his draft position, Uncrowned didn't really elaborate

[Not_Mafia]

So, when is this day gonna end?

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Wow I just came here to have a good time and I'm honestly feeling so attacked right now

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Skimming the last couple days. I didn't have a note of tgp pick. On mobile and it's hard to post much that way for me. This info suggests a solution that I'm pretty confident in. I'll write more when I can use more than one finger.

wait, you only text with one finger?

He's a boomer

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Is anyone actually townreading Menalque or is he just getting a pass for sheer volume of posts?

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Dave is either scum or incredibly lazy and incompetent town

At the moment I'm the only competent one here.
You eliminate the guilty.
Always.
WTF is wrong with people?

Okay boomer

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I have no idea what's happening anymore ngl

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I have no idea what's happening anymore ngl

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I didn't use my neighbourise

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I don't like neighbourhoods, my role is already proven by dunn

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I'm just gonna sheep Menalque

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I'm town

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dave probably

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Infinity pushing this redirector angle is gross

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I am confirmed

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This is Alex Jones territory

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VOTE: SS

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I targetted Hoopla but my action failed

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So people wouldn't complain that I didn't

[Not_Mafia]

How was I to know my action failed?

[Not_Mafia]

How do we know I was targetted for the kill?

If I was, probably because of the redirector flip

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We should elim dave today, we know scum bussed and that hammer was bad

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I think it's either 2/4/9 or 4/4/9 for a pattern.

What are these?

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Oh the role draft thing

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I'm gonna make a pro-gamer move

VOTE: davesaz

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Just elim Dave, look at the abrupt hammer, he wanted to be on the wagon fearing I would come in and lolhammer

[Not_Mafia]

I think it's obvious at least one of them is scum, and have thought S_S might be scum the whole game.
I've had no confidence at all in anything but stuff that ended up being wrong. Might as well see if this is any better.
VOTE: Something_Smart

"oh lol geeze guys I could have gone either way so might as well lolhammer for no apparent reason"

Look at this scumfuckery

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Probably the rabbitman

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I’m town

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Is rabbit man confirmed JK or could he be roleblocker?

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VOTE: Hoopla

Lol look at this vote

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I really want to hammer this.

n_m pls bus your buddy for me. pls?

I'm always the hammer

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davesaz is basically scumclaiming

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VOTE: Smoke & Mirrors

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VOTE: davesaz

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I really want to hammer this.

n_m pls bus your buddy for me. pls?

I'm always the hammer

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I ain't scum bro

VOTE: S&M

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