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[Best Bird]

best bird?

Yes. I am objectively the best bird.

[Best Bird]

I also heard that I was due a prod so....apologies. That's not best bird behavior.

[Best Bird]

Not voting: davesaz, Something_Smart, Hoopla

Hi - best bird behavior would be to kindly do something with your vote.

Thanks in advance!

[Best Bird]

I currently think all the scum is in (hoopla, TGP, infinity, dunn, peta, lili)

I like this.

[Best Bird]

i'm kinda here:

town: ss, uncrowned, penguin
weaker town: mena, infinity, jv
nulltown: dave
nullscum: hoopla, peta
weaker scum: dunn
scum: lilith, tgp

probably not limming today for mechanical reasons: lilith

note: peta is like at first glance kinda scummy but i kinda gut think he's town anyways. idk where to put him on the chart exactly, i settled on nullscum but it doesn't like holistically capture my thoughts.

*ahem*

Penguin is no longer in the game. Please use my full, and correct, username when referring to me. Thank you for your cooperation.

You and mena syncing up is refreshing/really concerning. One of those two.

[Best Bird]

I'm super easy to read if you are good at reading me.

[Best Bird]

Not voting: davesaz, Something_Smart, Hoopla

Hi - best bird behavior would be to kindly do something with your vote.

Thanks in advance!

Friendly reminder. If you need suggestions, tgp is a good wagon to place it.

[Best Bird]

She was saying that she's good at reading me.

[Best Bird]

no

[Best Bird]

You ever going to vote SS?

[Best Bird]

Yes

[Best Bird]

tgp

[Best Bird]

tgp

lmao I just went to check your ISO and got royally rolled

It is objectively the best bird iso

[Best Bird]

you.have.a.vote.

[Best Bird]

You.have.voted.he.has.not

[Best Bird]

I mean this is a thing for SS that I don’t like but exists. This is not a thing for you and I don’t like your response.

[Best Bird]

Oh sure. Let’s not take a firm stance on something we think is scummy because people on forum mafia are not readily available to discuss.

You.have.a.vote

[Best Bird]

I want to elim dave

[Best Bird]

I mean - I wasn't seeking your approval there? I find lack of taking a stance to be scummy.

[Best Bird]

And apparently I will vote people I find scummy...unlike you.

[Best Bird]

I mean - I wasn't seeking your approval there? I find lack of taking a stance to be scummy.

Apparently it wasn't obvious that I was throwing your words back at you. I don't care if you think discussion before possibly triggering a premature end to the day is scummy.

Nah, I got it. I wanted you to say it. Your translation is incorrect. I think shading a slot without voting it is scummy which is what you’ve done.

[Best Bird]

But sitting on an unvote is surely productive...so keep that up.

[Best Bird]

That’s fine. I do.

[Best Bird]

Near deadline? How delusional are you?

[Best Bird]

Lololololol

[Best Bird]

tgp

Make you case instead of just whispering someone's name.

Nah. Worked last time pretty well.

[Best Bird]

Like that was the worst response to being questioned I’ve seen in a long time.

[Best Bird]

2.5 days is not near deadline.

[Best Bird]

I’m logging off. You’re being p.bad.

[Best Bird]

tgp

[Best Bird]

what i know about pine is i got him eliminated once long ago when i was scum and he was obvtown. also had a kinda trash scumgame but that was also forever ago so i assume no longer true

Pine now has a notoriously good scumgame and is actively more enthusiastic when rolling scum (although he can strategically lurk). It’s ++town for me that he let himself be replaced instead of hitting the minimum activity requirements, which is something he could definitely have done if he was scum and lurking intentionally instead of bc he just wasn’t engaged as town

also now that lilith's game is over, i feel the need to point out that this is no longer accurate meta %
he basically played *exactly* like he did in this game and ultimately got repped out for inactivity

It didn’t start with that game, but yes, that’s one of the reasons I said I didn’t like Mena using that to push a tr on the slot yesterday.

[Best Bird]

I hate you with a fiery passion. That’s what I get for trying to type up content instead of stealing the pagetop.

[Best Bird]

tgp

[Best Bird]

tgp

[Best Bird]

tgp

[Best Bird]

[Best Bird]

Except you tgp - you don't have to. You ded.

[Best Bird]

My bird brain hurts.

[Best Bird]

ditto friendo...uncrowned over you?

[Best Bird]

'course - the same could be said for mena

[Best Bird]

Like the nk's coupled with lilith's choices for her actions are not super easily explained if she's town, but if she's scum and has to coordinate those, things start making a bit more sense

how so? hoopa had an explanation that makes sense to me.

[Best Bird]

how so? hoopa had an explanation that makes sense to me.

Which explanation?

Also, isnt correct jk usage while there's more than one scum alive to try to protect, and use it as a rb once we're down to one scum?

It boggles the mind to choose venge over N3 vig but okay

gotta agree with this.

The role choices of the people who have flipped are really making me question my setup spec. Specifically whether scum would've chosen 1-shot vig. I think it's 100% correct to do so but maybe other people disagreed.

there have been a couple of questionable town picks, which i think will always happen. individual players are prone to some goofy logic from time to time, but when you have a scumteam of three, a suboptimal pick is less likely to slip through the cracks. all it takes is one reasonable mechanical thinker to be on the scumteam for any clearly bad picks to be vetoed.

i still like the logic for lilith town (scum should almost always take 1-shot vig first because having that level of control over nightplay is huge). but it is fishy that she is still alive.

my only take away from this is that it implies scum *knows* there is a doc who made a correct save N1. if this is the case, fear of town-lilith being doc'd would be a reasonable explanation why she's still alive. perhaps they also think she's a viable mis-elim from a "why-are-you-still-alive" perspective.

if lilith is scum and the scumteam *actually* picked JK first, i think it makes SS, infinity and maybe skitter less likely to be scum. i'd say menalque too, but he wasn't a starting player. davesaz seems mechanically minded, but he's already expressed numerous times he'd double up numbers for WIFOM purposes. he may be the type of character to support choosing something other than vig as first pick.

that does rule out a lot of combinations of lilith-scumteams, though. if she's scum, i think she's paired with the more whimsical/low energy types.

You're assuming optimal play ok the jk which i don't think is a good assumption.

[Best Bird]

I find myself aligning more with mena's thoughts than skitter's at this point - and am foregoing my paranoia read that they are both scum batting us around like a cat with a ball of yarn - so consider my vote for dunn.

[Best Bird]

Since we have a virtual intent here, I'll just prepare to issue a told you so when the claim comes. If I'm wrong then I'll regroup.

He has directly crumbed at least one of the roles you mentioned.

Well since it's out there, i'll just say i spotted this too, and this is the primary reason i'm opposing dunn rn

I explicitlydo not tr him on play

I'm a vanilla townie,

[Best Bird]

Ok.

*throws a dart*

[Best Bird]

I’m pretty strong. It’s still in the air.

[Best Bird]

ty btw. you easily could have taken that.

[Best Bird]

retracted

[Best Bird]

reinstated

[Best Bird]

Dart fell on the Dunn square. Randomness is fun.

[Best Bird]

That relies on the existence of the TMI that Dunn has no legitimate explanation for. How do you think he knew that lilith jailed you?

Why did he think he was blocked prior to an announcement? I just went back and looked and the timeline is wonky.

[Best Bird]

Geez I’m slow tonight.

[Best Bird]

Well, your argument in 2736 assumes he did. If he just guessed correctly from her soft, he could have just said as much and claimed the aforementioned role he was softing

And set up a 1v1 with lili? I don’t think that ends well for him

This is what I assumed as well, so clarification would be nice.

[Best Bird]

You didn't miscount. The VC's on the same page.

I miss anything important over the weekend?

[Best Bird]

You didn't miscount. The VC's on the same page.

I guess you had to be there...

Nm voting right after and ducky being slow reinforced a seriousness that took away from the joke.

[Best Bird]

I hate you

[Best Bird]

also, if we're in a full 8 TPR setup scum have multitasking anyway

The mafia have selected the Informed modifier. They will be informed of one role pair (if any) which is not selected during the draft.

[Best Bird]

wait, do they not get the multitasking too if they get informed that all town roles have been taken

ducky, clarification pls?

factional ability choice is ONE OF:
multitasking: the entire scumteam will become multitasking, meaning that they can carry out both the factional nightkill and any draft powers, in the same night phase.
informed: at the end of the second draft phase, the scumteam will receive a piece of information about the draft. if there are any role pairings which were not taken during the draft, the scumteam will be informed of one of these pairings. if there are multiple, they will be informed of one at random. if all role pairings were taken during the draft, the scumteam will be informed of this.

why is this confusing?

[Best Bird]

so does anyone have a problem with just sequentially eliminating (Best Bird, Dave, lilith, peta)?

I think you get one - maybe two - scum in that list.

[Best Bird]

Dunno - {s_s; infinity; maybe hoopla)

Of course - I have a back of the mind of mena because of the crappy entrance, hasn't found scum, not dead, and a difficult counterwagon to town but skitteR said he was a strongest townread so...

[Best Bird]

skitter also had a strong and consistent TR on S_S -- why is he still there?

I don't listen to everything she says (skitteR now complaining in the dead thread). Her read didn't change and she never really explained it. She at least had interactions with you that I can see reasoning behind.

Probably wouldn't put him near the front of my elimlist though.

[Best Bird]

lol...wtf duck

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[Best Bird]

Dunno - {s_s; infinity; maybe hoopla)

Of course - I have a back of the mind of mena because of the crappy entrance, hasn't found scum, not dead, and a difficult counterwagon to town but skitteR said he was a strongest townread so...

What is your gun-to-head solve? According to you there’s very likely 2 scum in {me, mena, s_s, hoopla}, and you really don’t seem convinced on mena, s_s, or hoopla. It looks worse knowing I’m town. Do you just have generic paranoia towards a bunch of slots or what’s up?

I mean that’s not what I said but sure say what you want it to mean. Also, not sure why you said I don’t seemed convince on ss given no qualifier same as you. I don’t think you’ve been towny at all so idrc what looks worse to you.

Like - it’s pretty transparent and easily discernible that I don’t have strong reads anywhere.

[Best Bird]

Right. Maybe means there a possibility of each occurrence not that one occurrence is

very likely

as you stated.

So...maybe two and if so, it’s probs Dave and Lilith. Not at the top of my elim list is deference to skitteR not my view.

[Best Bird]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

idrc

[Best Bird]

VT - I went for Fruit Vendor but was bested by randomization.

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do you think mafia fucking nokilled on night 2, knowing there wasn't a doctor, just for the sake of bolstering a fakeclaim when that gives town an extra elimination? no way in hell.

(i mean, unless someone got cute and didn't claim doc)

*night 1
**one save doesn't give town an extra elim

[Best Bird]

ah, forgot this was a 14p setup

[Best Bird]

Jesus you all have posted a lot.

[Best Bird]

Ooh Dave vry scummy posting.

[Best Bird]

Also, NN could be the redirector, but is claiming neighbouriser. So he can only be the redirector if BB is the real neighbouriser,

There’s a neighborizer. I went for fruit vendor. Highly likely n_m is neighborizer.

[Best Bird]

idk...I like mena a lot more from the past 10 pages but it’s not outside his scum range and obviously I’m just paranoid.

Also, can confirm I would have tried to kill Town!mena N1 unless I knew there was no doc/town jk then I would have tried to kill skitter.

[Best Bird]

That seems overly complicated for not much (any?) benefit. Plus, I don't see it within n_m's wheelhouse to lie about neighborhood content/interactions.

[Best Bird]

What do you think about my dave/peta/infinity/S_S conundrum, Best Bird?

It makes my head hurt. I can see the dave/peta thing but I don't know how I feel about it on gut yet.

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And like - dave's posting today was just bad

[Best Bird]

That also requires both me and n_m to have consciously chosen the same number, being at the bottom of the draft, and getting those two roles.

[Best Bird]

Same n_m. Same.

[Best Bird]

roughly:

initial wagons were lili and uncrowned. lili was still the dominant wagon when I repped in towards the end of D1 I think, but it might have already been changing towards DGB by that point. I entered hard pushing infinity and got some traction on that, then he started doing things and I (maybe foolishy) decided he'd be easier to read on later days than super-inactive DGB, so I switched there and that put it over the threshold of support it needed and she got flipped. worth noting that like 5 slots who voted her (incl mine) are all still alive today lol

then there was no kill on N1, skitt started D2 pushing me and that picked up traction quickly, and that traction was strengthened when lili claimed a JK on me and a lot of people started talking about it being a guilty because "lol who'd kill mena N1?" then I started being very town and the wagon dissipated, and we were working on a theory of there being a doc as well who'd made a save on someone else the same night that I was JK'd. uncrowned was very obvtown and wanted TGP, who didn't seem very town and so a bunch of us voted him. before he died, he said he'd gone for cop but he flipped VT. this will be important later.

that night uncrowned gets killed, TGP and uncrowned were both shouting for dunn to die when they did, and he'd also done very little so I pushed him hard and consistently throughout D3. skitter argues we should do you instead, but people aren't that interested. dunn gets flipped, comes out VT, and he confirms that your slot is JK because he asked for tracker and flipped as VT. skitter gets murderised during the night, brings us to today. I've been mostly pushing you, but we also have a fucky thing going on with claims where there's confirmed scum in (me, NM, infinity, Dave, peta, S_S) because one of them has to have the cop/redirector slot but nobody is claiming it. as we've done massclaim, the person who has it is claiming scum.

of that pool, NM is claiming neighbouriser (confirmed to be in the game bc dunn said he'd been neighboured on N2) which I think is not clearing but which hoopla thinks is bc scum have never chosen neighbouriser as a role before. then Dave is claiming 1s watcher, and peta is claiming VT who went for the 1s watcher but got VT, so he's saying that the redirector has to be in (me, S_S, infinity). this is troublesome because Dave has an incredibly bad iso (especially today where he's done almost nothing but keeps insisting I'm scum) and peta doesn't/sort of feels town but is now very much tied to Dave (although is saying that he doesn't think the 1s watcher is clearing for Dave, just that he wants to go for the redirector instead bc... ??). infinity seemed a lot like scum to me on D1, but now seems towny, and I did a gambit where I fake claimed cop and thought his and hoopla's reactions were good. S_S is scummy but skitter had him as strong town which is making me not want to flip him.

basically, hoopla, me, infinity, peta have all been playing the game quite hard

S_S and Dave have each done a bit

Best Bird (the penguin) and N_M (predictably) and your slot have all done basically nothing but can't be all the scum unless there's something weird happening where NM is the redirector fake claiming neighbouriser, and Best Bird is the real neighbouriser, and your "block" on NM last night was to disguise this fact

I have now contributed greatly.

[Best Bird]

I mean - it can make sense to those who don’t have that as mod confirmable.

[Best Bird]

I mean - scum no killing is a thing. It’s less likely in a 14p then but your absolute swing in the other direction isn’t any better.

[Best Bird]

1] probably slightly
2) would hammer anyone in that list...infinity would be my preference.

[Best Bird]

1) Mena tbh, but I don’t know several of you very well or at all.
2) gut. Just don’t like his posting.

[Best Bird]

Inf8nity
SS
Peta/Mena

Could do any of them.

[Best Bird]

I mean - I put peta before mena for a reason

but yes - i will wait and see who i can hammer

[Best Bird]

hold up - i'll post it for you hoopla

[Best Bird]

One vote this entire game s_s.

Must be hard to actually do something.

[Best Bird]

If S&M vote peta and we don’t get confirmation from Best Bird/S_S that they’ll be around to hammer then I’ll self before I go to sleep

[Best Bird]

Inf8nity
SS
Peta/Mena

Could do any of them.

Pls note positioning as you continue this discourse.

[Best Bird]

I would like a SS hammer pls.

[Best Bird]

mmm

[Best Bird]

VOTE: ss

[Best Bird]

deal

[Best Bird]

Should scum shoot me, or keep me alive as a miselim? I don't want to make that question any easier for them to answer.

Are you serious? I thought you were a logical player.

[Best Bird]

I will vote any of SM/SS/infinity or Dave if he keeps being dumb.

[Best Bird]

I didn't use my neighbourise

Wait...wut?

[Best Bird]

But sure, go ahead and assume something without giving a chance for a response.

That's the nancy head, right? Right.

[Best Bird]

we would you even seriously consider voting us today?

Because your slot has been scummy the whole game and you've done zero to change that. I'd go so far as to say you've probably made it worse.

[Best Bird]

I don't like neighbourhoods, my role is already proven by dunn

Makes no sense why you wouldn't allow someone access to the neighborhood to confirm things you've said here just because you "don't like neighborhoods."

[Best Bird]

Where are you getting that I think dave is town?

[Best Bird]

Confirm things that were said in the neighborhood that n_m has repeated here. Not confirm the role.

[Best Bird]

But sure, go ahead and assume something without giving a chance for a response.

That's the nancy head, right? Right.

[Best Bird]

I AM LITERALLY TELLING YOU WHAT I MEANT WITH MY USAGE OF DUMB NANCY

good god

[Best Bird]

sssssssssssssssssssssss

[Best Bird]

good post from hoopla

[Best Bird]

My choice will probably be the opposite of Best Bird's choice.

[Best Bird]

Just waiting for my promised hammertime.

[Best Bird]

guess that means dave's is voting for you

[Best Bird]

despite dave thinking ss is scum

[Best Bird]

....

[Best Bird]

alright whatever

VOTE: S_S

[Best Bird]

Why did you try to use your neighborize?

[Best Bird]

You had to have known that we would now complain that you are alleging you did.

[Best Bird]

No-elim.

[Best Bird]

alternatively i would be okay elim'ing s&m today.

[Best Bird]

Except wagons were even until right before deadline. There was no indication that it was going to be s_s.

still my comment on eliming you was snarky because your slot has been nothing but scummy by all participants. no elim is still best today.

[Best Bird]

or it as an all town wagon and votes after the hammer don't count

[Best Bird]

or it as an all town wagon and votes after the hammer don't count

its actually wild you think a scum team got to 7p lylo intact and then just decided to stick together and not bus.

You realize that people's stances were made known even though votes weren't layed down right? It was quite possible that infinity ended up the elim or even a no elim occurred. It's wild you think scum bussed in elo when they didn't have to...

Granted, if they did, and somehow you are town, it's probably dave.

[Best Bird]

like - if either you or N_M are town, scum had the support to get infinity elimed or force a no elim yesterday.

[Best Bird]

Who's scum? You're doing a lot of defending and throwing shade, but you aren't actually saying who is the scum we elim today or the scum you have a 25% chance of catching tonight.

[Best Bird]

It would be an exaggeration to say there are more holes than correct points in that.
Only a slight exaggeration.

Would you like to point out the inaccuracies or just be an ass about it?

[Best Bird]

I'm literally the momentum behind the eod s_s elim yesterday.

That's a bad list.

[Best Bird]

bussing for cred when you can start the momentum on the alternate wagon is stupid

we've been over this.

i'm pretty strongly sold on you needing to be in that list but obv you won't add yourself.

[Best Bird]

r u serious rn?

THE SUPPORT TO VOTE FOR INFINITY WAS ALREADY IMPLIED BY YOU, NM, AND DAVE.

[Best Bird]

I really want to hammer this.

n_m pls bus your buddy for me. pls?

[Best Bird]

VOTE: Smoke & Mirrors

tease

[Best Bird]

Give me the hammer n_m.

I promise I'll let you hammer yourself tomorrow.

[Best Bird]

VOTE: s&m