Open 798 | PYPX/Y+I/M | Game Over!

[JacksonVirgo]

First

[JacksonVirgo]

Second too

VOTE: Uncrowned
So hype to play with you again dude

[JacksonVirgo]

Third as well holy shit

[JacksonVirgo]

This must mean I am conf-town because I am fourth as well!!

[JacksonVirgo]

I would do sixth but I'll just hold my bets on being 5th as well, let someone else at least get some glory

[JacksonVirgo]

hi!

shall we execute from the top down as is customary for PYP?

VOTE: lilith

You have a lot of cake, can I have a slice?

[JacksonVirgo]

i only offer cake to my loyal flock of sheep.

please demonstrate you are a sheep.

Bah bah black sheep have you any wool
Yes sir yes sir three bags full
One for the master and one for the dame
One for the little boy who lives down the lane.

[JacksonVirgo]

Bah bah black sheep have you any wool
Yes sir yes sir three bags full
One for the master and one for the dame
One for the little boy who lives down the lane.

X

Well, fine :c

But I shall never simp away from my buddy

[JacksonVirgo]

Also i'm intrigued that scum picked informed, i prob would have picked multitasking

you're lucky you voted correctly, otherwise i would be all over this.

Go on?

I think this is saying that saying "I did would have done X but scum did Y so I can't be scum" kind of self-defense which is generally really scummy in some circumstances

[JacksonVirgo]

Also i'm intrigued that scum picked informed, i prob would have picked multitasking

you're lucky you voted correctly, otherwise i would be all over this.

Go on?

I think this is saying that saying "I did would have done X but scum did Y so I can't be scum" kind of self-defense which is generally really scummy in some circumstances

Follow up on this actually: So do you agree with Hoopla's premise or are you just giving your interpretation of what it meant?

Just my interpretation, I think it's just as likely town saying that to try and derp-clear themselves as scum would.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also early townpings on uncrowned

I'd have to agree with this one

[JacksonVirgo]

Also early townpings on uncrowned

I'll have to agree with you here

[JacksonVirgo]

Explain why you've left JV off the scumteam, since they also picked for. Did their P1 posting factor in at all?

What do you mean by P1?

[JacksonVirgo]

So nice you had to do it twice!

It's just that solid of a read

[JacksonVirgo]

I think peta may have slipped up there if they're scum or just completely subconsciously just TR'd me and slipped that. Unsure

[JacksonVirgo]

Explain why you've left JV off the scumteam, since they also picked for. Did their P1 posting factor in at all?

What do you mean by P1?

your posting on page 1

Ohhh alright, I thought I was player 1 and now I'm sad

[JacksonVirgo]

Goodnight fam, off to sleep now. I'll try to post tomorrow afternoon but I'm going out tomorrow

[JacksonVirgo]

Goodnight fam, off to sleep now. I'll try to post tomorrow afternoon but I'm going out tomorrow

have fun!

Turns out I'm not going out lol

[JacksonVirgo]

i only offer cake to my loyal flock of sheep.

please demonstrate you are a sheep.

Bah bah black sheep have you any wool
Yes sir yes sir three bags full
One for the master and one for the dame
One for the little boy who lives down the lane.

you know this song is talking

to

the sheep?

VOTE: jacksonvirgo

I saved your ass

And yes I know that

[JacksonVirgo]

vote count 1.01

Uncrowned (3)

: JacksonVirgo, DrippingGoofball, petapan

lilith2013 (3)

: Hoopla, Uncrowned, davesaz

Pine (1)

: PenguinPower

PenguinPower (1)

: skitter30

Hoopla (1)

: Infinity 324

JacksonVirgo (1)

: lilith2013

Not voting

: Something_Smart, Dunnstral, Pine, TheGoldenParadox

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-02 21:15:00)

mod notes

:
- skitter30 v/la Fridays & Saturdays
- quack

UNVOTE: Uncrowned
VOTE: petapan

[JacksonVirgo]

Skitter is probably town from all this, but all that talk about setup stuff is a bit eh

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Infinity 324

Why unvote here dude, I thought you were locked in on scum!uncrowned?

[JacksonVirgo]

Skitter is probably town from all this

What are you referring to?

All their long-ass posts, I just feel scum wouldn't put all that effort in.

[JacksonVirgo]

Obligatory: dont townread me for that, i'm fully capable of writing/efforting such posts as scum, etc

Yeah alright, but this is townie.

[JacksonVirgo]

Hey JV what do you think about the Lilith wagon?

If the reasoning based off that wagon is that they're 100% PR it's dumb, I personally think the wagon is bad and I don't see what's super scummy about lilith either.

[JacksonVirgo]

Goodnight fam, off to sleep now. I'll try to post tomorrow afternoon but I'm going out tomorrow

have fun!

Turns out I'm not going out lol

)':

What state are you in again? IM FINALLY BEING LET FREE FROM LOCKDOWN TOMORROW

Queensland, the restrictions here arent that bad. We acn generally do what we used to but have to keep distances and X amount of people in certain stores etc.

The reason I couldn't go is because of a heckin' storm coming our way. One hit us yesterday and it's comin' back lol

[JacksonVirgo]

Skitter is probably town from all this

What are you referring to?

All their long-ass posts, I just feel scum wouldn't put all that effort in.

Do you mean hoopla? I get the feeling she's known as the setup speccer so it's kind of expected of her.

Nah I mean skitter

[JacksonVirgo]

Nah I mean skitter

Like 37 and 88?

Just all of those long paragraph posts, though that read is wrong apparently since skitter can do that as either alignment.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not seeing many long posts from skitter though?

I wasn't really meaning super long ones. Just the paragraph ones, where it's more than a sentence.

[JacksonVirgo]

If we're comparing Skitter to Peta (who you're voting) in terms of non-setup related discussion, they're pretty similar, no?

So are you basing your TL on Skitter off of just that initial stuff, or has some of her stuff after that pinged you positively as well?

On the flipside, is the sole reason behind your Peta vote him switching from me to Infinity?

Just the vote switch, I don't have any other real SR apart from that.

[JacksonVirgo]

No

[JacksonVirgo]

O w8 I thought you were trying to pagetop lmfaoooo

[JacksonVirgo]

See, I feel like scum!peta is more likely to stay voted on me in that scenario, tbh.

Unless he's predicting that Infinity is going to get wagoned at some point and wants to get on it earlier, but I feel like Infinity is too much of a null-read at the moment for that to be the case.

Except that you're almost never going to be voted today at this rate and they could have spotted that and yeeted onto another dude that might be.

[JacksonVirgo]

See, I feel like scum!peta is more likely to stay voted on me in that scenario, tbh.

Unless he's predicting that Infinity is going to get wagoned at some point and wants to get on it earlier, but I feel like Infinity is too much of a null-read at the moment for that to be the case.

Except that you're almost never going to be voted today at this rate and they could have spotted that and yeeted onto another dude that might be.

[JacksonVirgo]

Mmm, I guess. I'll have to check when he unvoted me, because there were 4 votes on me at one stage.

A bunch of people were unvoting which I would assume was on you because they jumped off immediately after.

I am basing that read off if those unvoted off you but just now I realised I could be wrong lmfaooo

[JacksonVirgo]

I was wrong ignore me

UNVOTE:

[JacksonVirgo]

So far JV's two reads have been myself and Skitter as town.

Would you mind elaborating on these a bit more JV?

My original reasoning of skitter was called out by skiiter themself which makes me think they're Town a lot more. I just realised that their posts look a lot smaller to those who don't have split windows (like a video to the right and the MS to the left).

But their post regarding choosing Multitasking over choosing informed is townie to me as scum doing so would probably put heavy heat on them, as it did this game.

My read on you is probably bias as well due to everything but I think that your tone is super genuine and that's why you're a TR of mine.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why is that weird thought more likely to come from scum than town?

looks to me like he threw out a surface-level offhand 'read' on skitter, then when someone pressed him on it, he just made up some BS and doubled down on it when pressed again.

i think if this was a genuine town observation, it's more likely for him to have had this thought about me (someone who has actually posted walls).

Hoopla, I'm pretty sure you're too good of a player to buy this reasoning.

that's where you're wrong!

You didn't give me cake, so you're insta scum I don't have to read you owo

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah... no, I think JacksonVirgo is just being a derp

Yeah I think that's just me at this point lmfaoo

[JacksonVirgo]

Tbf i forgot she was at the top of the draft
Doesnt mean i cant wagon her tho

Literally the wagon started BECAUSE she was the top of the draft.

[JacksonVirgo]

What did you think execute from the top down meant?

I assume this was aimed at skitter?

[JacksonVirgo]

is defending yourself against dunnstral so important that you need to blow up your attempt to test lilith before she responds

That my friend is nai

[JacksonVirgo]

I dont think jv's comment is as bad as its being made out to be

this post in particular feels similar to the style you used to back up your buddy in that game, at least tonally.

Oh no skitter... we're caught!

[JacksonVirgo]

Nobody asked, but my lilith vote was because she went out of her way to pagetop.

there's nothing wrong with that.

Uhhh, what even is this?

[JacksonVirgo]

Bray

What does this mean?

[JacksonVirgo]

* sorry. How it can be town-indicative of jv
Like i'm kinda missing the connection between 'town-driven cw' and 'town indicative for jv'

Yeah that's all confusing me as well

[JacksonVirgo]

apologies town driven cw is probably the worst way i could have worded it ever

a new wagon started by town that scum!hoopla jumped on

So you're reading me as town because you read hoopla as scum? Isn't that generally a bad way to read people?

[JacksonVirgo]

oh okay

i gave jv townpoints for the wagon bc i don't see scum!hoopla bussing their partner in that way

I guess this post confirms what I just asked

[JacksonVirgo]

oh okay

i gave jv townpoints for the wagon bc i don't see scum!hoopla bussing their partner in that way

This might be a silly question, but if you're so convinced hoopla is scum that you're townreading jv off of apparently anti-partner-y associatives ... why are voting penguin again?

Also i think you're townreads of lilith and peta are unfounded

Yeah I like skitter even more and I'm slowly moving to scum!golden

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually I take that back, I'll drown myself in everything before making a stance.

[JacksonVirgo]

I need more JV in my life

Hiiii

[JacksonVirgo]

Would scum fake that type of read? I'm not confident they would ngl

[JacksonVirgo]

Nobody asked, but my lilith vote was because she went out of her way to pagetop.

there's nothing wrong with that.

Uhhh, what even is this?

I think it's referencing the first post of Liliths ISO

Or are you talking about the reply

I am not sure exactly how to word this but like, this doesn't feel like natural discussion to me.

[JacksonVirgo]

Nobody asked, but my lilith vote was because she went out of her way to pagetop.

there's nothing wrong with that.

Uhhh, what even is this?

There were people saying that the lilith wagon had formed because she had first pick in the draft.
I explained my vote relative to that assumption.
Not sure whether PP was saying there's nothing wrong with voting people for pagetopping, or if there's nothing wrong with pagetopping.
Enigmatic, but I give a small number of weak town points for it. More specifically for not saying my post is scummy since I lobbed it out there as a tool to gather exactly that kind of response.

@PP can you asnwer what you meant

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean, it's not exactly hard to generate reads as scum. Natural reads, maybe, but like it's also hard to generate natural reads as town.

Could you elaborate on how it's hard to generate natural reads as town? I don't understand that at all

[JacksonVirgo]

That was just a convoluted way of saying that forming good reads is hard.

Uh, what? Natural is not a convoluted way of saying good.

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson why are you focusing on NAI stuff so much, this is literally just about theory.

I don't see it as nai but if you want to explain why that'd be neat

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm beginning to think that one of JV/Hoopla is scum.

Why would that be

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson why are you focusing on NAI stuff so much, this is literally just about theory.

I don't see it as nai but if you want to explain why that'd be neat

Like, s_s made a post about his opinion on mafia in general (i.e., that good reads are hard to get as town or fake as scum). Do you think he could be lying?

No no that's not what I was saying, I was just saying that their wording was wrong

[JacksonVirgo]

oh my, i've fallen behind already.

is it too early for me to start scolding the chatterboxes? do i need to prepare my "balance of voices" speech?

hang on.

i just made a stunning realisation that these are seven day deadlines. serves me right for skimming the OP!

i take back my post 547. spam away brave townsfolk.

~~

i also just realised jackson virgo is in the group of 4's. this is shocking play on my part. there's no way i'm executing from that bracket on D1.

i apologise to jackson virgo for my overeagerness.

UNVOTE:

Can I ask why me being in the group of 4's makes you not want to yeet me? Also don't apologize for playing the game

[JacksonVirgo]

No no that's not what I was saying, I was just saying that their wording was wrong

But how is that different from, like, a post on mafia discussion? He's giving his opinion on the game, unless you think he's lying it's totally NAI.

I dont remember ever saying it was AI?

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean, it's not exactly hard to generate reads as scum. Natural reads, maybe, but like it's also hard to generate natural reads as town.

Could you elaborate on how it's hard to generate natural reads as town? I don't understand that at all

I think you read into something that doesn't exist my man

[JacksonVirgo]

Can I ask why me being in the group of 4's makes you not want to yeet me? Also don't apologize for playing the game

there is max one scum amongst us 4's, unless a zany gambit is afoot.

I don't understand, why wouldn't scum do that. I could remember wrong but I think multiple scum picked the same number in the last PyP I played I'll go have a look

pedit: I thought you were talking about what I was saying on other people

[JacksonVirgo]

I think I can't see through some jokes and I see it as actual content too, sorry

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm beginning to think that one of JV/Hoopla is scum.

Why would that be

You feel a bit less engaged in this game than I'd expect from town!JV but that could also just be how you play now compared to how you used to when we used to play together.

I don't feel like you're addressing as much readable content as I'd expect from you, and Hoopla has been the same in that regard, mostly focused on game theory and set-up discussion rather than going through real-time interactions.

I also think her callout of your 275 is kind of eh. it's not *wrong* but she gives me the vibes of a smart player who would have better reasons to vote people, especially with the way some of the slots have been interacting between one another.

I feel like you're both playing a neutral game, flying under the radar a little. Hoopla's joining of your wagon though makes me believe that if one of you is scum, the other will not be.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say this but I'm in a lot of games and it's actually stressful at times since I have to work as well. Sorry dudes

[JacksonVirgo]

I think I can't see through some jokes and I see it as actual content too, sorry

Oh, that's ok then. I'm still sort of curious why you were pushing on s_s though.

I wasn't pushing on them at all, I was asking them to clarify as I didn't understand and when they did I was saying that their original wording was completely wrong if that's what they meant.

[JacksonVirgo]

Sorry, that's what I meant by pushing--you were questioning him on something that didn't seem super relevant to alignments.

Dude I was asking because I didn't understand not because I was trying to solve them, seriously?

[JacksonVirgo]

That's fair JV. I don't necessarily mean your activity as a whole, but more what you're actually pulling from this thread to discuss.

Ah gotcha, apologies I don't mean to pull what I pull that's just what comes to my head when I'm reading.

[JacksonVirgo]

Nobody asked, but my lilith vote was because she went out of her way to pagetop.

there's nothing wrong with that.

Uhhh, what even is this?

There were people saying that the lilith wagon had formed because she had first pick in the draft.
I explained my vote relative to that assumption.
Not sure whether PP was saying there's nothing wrong with voting people for pagetopping, or if there's nothing wrong with pagetopping.
Enigmatic, but I give a small number of weak town points for it. More specifically for not saying my post is scummy since I lobbed it out there as a tool to gather exactly that kind of response.

@PP can you asnwer what you meant

Nothing wrong with making an effort to pagetop...I thought that would be obvious coming from me

Yeah alright if you said anything else I would be sus of you lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

(the 4's)

I fit in that

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't like the fact they refuse to read in the 4s or whatnot, I feel that's just stupid for town to do.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Hoopla, I recall you saying there's likely one scum in the 4s. If so that's a 33% shot if you read in there yet you're choosing not to?

[JacksonVirgo]

Peta did you really choose 100000000000000000000000000 for the lulz or did you want a unique number thinking more people would have grouped numbers?

Honest or I yeet you to oblivion with my N3 vigilante shot (jkjk unless)

[JacksonVirgo]

Is there a world where all the PRs are active btw? Because why the hell would mafia choose informed in that case rather than multitasking. Is it possible that mafia tried grouping or something to benefit from the new mechanics here.

I'm gonna take some time to do some iioa here because we're not just dealing with pyp. Give me a sec

[JacksonVirgo]

I lowkey have a small inkling that mafia chose 2,3 and 4 respectively. That would make Lilith, Dunnstral and one of the 4's mafia which I'll have to do some looking into but ngl that would make sense to me as I would probably try that.

Maybe 3,4,5 instead but you get my gist. Although mafia choosing informed while doing that is probably counterintuitive so maybe not?

[JacksonVirgo]

I answered my own question by reading, all PRs can exist at once

[JacksonVirgo]

Peta did you really choose 100000000000000000000000000 for the lulz or did you want a unique number thinking more people would have grouped numbers?

Honest or I yeet you to oblivion with my N3 vigilante shot (jkjk unless)

both

you seem to be commenting on a lot of trivial things

You seem to be shading me in trivial ways. I just didn't believe you when you said

i did it because the idea of bidding a million was funny to me

Should I read more into you blatantly lying or what?

[JacksonVirgo]

I think I am taking that too personally, apologies. I am sure you had reasons to not out that

[JacksonVirgo]

{Uncrowned}
{Petapan}
{Skitter} {Penguin}
{Something_Smart} {Infinity}

{TGP}
{Pine} {DrippingGoofball}
{JV} {Dunnstrall}

{Lilith}
{Dave}
{Hoopla}

current reads

If you're going to do it, at least make it of the rainbow variety

{Best Bird}

{skitter, uncrowned}

{jv, s_s, dave}

{goofball, dunnstral, worst bird}

{hoopla, petapan, infinity}

{pine, tgp}

{lillith}

{}

Why is the host in your top read :O

Because ducky is clearly superior

[JacksonVirgo]

You said that the idea of bidding was funny to you, which is lying by omission considering what you were asked. And considering your number I find it quite suspicious that you decided to withhold that information.

[JacksonVirgo]

As I said, I post on what I feel I need to post on. There's nothing else to it

[JacksonVirgo]

Get fucked Hoopa I now have the cake!

[JacksonVirgo]

Is there a world where all the PRs are active btw? Because why the hell would mafia choose informed in that case rather than multitasking. Is it possible that mafia tried grouping or something to benefit from the new mechanics here.

I'm gonna take some time to do some iioa here because we're not just dealing with pyp. Give me a sec

Seriously? Informed lets mafia fakeclaim whatever didn't get chosen

What benefit does mafia fake-claiming a role that isn't here do? It doesn't make them any closer to townie by the claim and can just about make their life even harder. The point of informed is so that Mafia knows what the town doesn't have, because I seriously don't get the supreme powar that informed would have over literally cannot be called out because a mafia has to kill and FV didn't act or whatnot.

Feel free to let me know why fake-claiming here when they're not that role helps, it's midnight I could just be dumb.

pedit: That's a shit defence peta, try harder

[JacksonVirgo]

dunnstral

- played a game as scum against him recently, and he was a dominant voice on D1 that seemed quite obviously town. granted, i had confirmed info that game which can sometimes trick you into thinking someone is more town than they actually are, but i haven't seen similar town energy from him yet.

I seem to recall somebody replacing out of that game because they found me annoying

Oof

[JacksonVirgo]

What benefit does mafia fake-claiming a role that isn't here do?

Avoid their own elim

And get called out by the rolecop? Or tracker or roleblocker/JKer in some situations. It's not worth it unless they were specifically aiming to not get PRs by all choosing 4's or some shit.

[JacksonVirgo]

Peta is now falling into SL territory for me

[JacksonVirgo]

Am I falling into confbias? peta just look like just outright scum to me
VOTE: petapan

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel like the whole number thing is a weird thing to pin peta on

Plus the choice of number kinda fits how they've been playing this whole game personality wise tbh

Is there something specific that's pinging you about it?

The number itself is fine to me, the fact that they lied about the reasons why they picked that number is what is pinging me. Laptops dying bbs

[JacksonVirgo]

Peta's posts surrounding me being sus of them is vastly different than the surrounding ones and then they bounce back when nobody else reciprocates my read.

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't like the fact they refuse to read in the 4s or whatnot, I feel that's just stupid for town to do.

Exactly, the numbers should be the last thing on our minds d1. It doesn't actually become relevant until someone early in the draft doesn't get NK'd.

Is there a world where all the PRs are active btw?

I have not looked at all previous runs, but AFAIK there has always been at least one PR that is not chosen in the draft.

Oh okay, I mean it makes sense as to there being at least one considering how the draft works but stil doesn't make being informed stronger than multitasking assuming the mafia are trying for PRs.

[JacksonVirgo]

The way I see it, first they said they did it for the memes, then they said they did it for the memes and because they wanted to guarantee a unique number. How is that lying?

They lied via omission.

[JacksonVirgo]

The way I see it, first they said they did it for the memes, then they said they did it for the memes and because they wanted to guarantee a unique number. How is that lying?

They lied via omission.

Explain the scum motivation here, and explain why it’s sooo unlikely for a townie to not say their entire draft strategy.

Read the context, they were being called sus for choosing a number like that and instead of actually defending themselves they went via the "haha lul" approach and when I called them out on it they added another response to cater to what I said. Then their posts completely changed with tone before my suspicions being called trash by everyone else and then they went back to their general attitude but except the tone was still trash for a bit.

[JacksonVirgo]

The way I see it, first they said they did it for the memes, then they said they did it for the memes and because they wanted to guarantee a unique number. How is that lying?

They lied via omission.

Explain the scum motivation here, and explain why it’s sooo unlikely for a townie to not say their entire draft strategy.

Read the context, they were being called sus for choosing a number like that and instead of actually defending themselves they went via the "haha lul" approach and when I called them out on it they added another response to cater to what I said. Then their posts completely changed with tone before my suspicions being called trash by everyone else and then they went back to their general attitude but except the tone was still trash for a bit.

48 looks like a joke.

Not to me, it seems like a genuine read

[JacksonVirgo]

Still, my logic holds.

[JacksonVirgo]

not sure if i should believe the junior detective act here

Cool story, don't care about this fencesitting

[JacksonVirgo]

Still, my logic holds.

Wait what’s the motivation to lie then?

Because when called out originally, it was them called scummy for choosing that number. If they said it was to get a PR, they would be in a worse position.

Don't care that it was originally a joke, it wasn't obvious that it was.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm really genuinely sorry I've been lackluster this game. Just been feeling kinda shit. I promise I'll give this game a relook with a different lense, or at least I'll try my best. I feel kinda shitty, I was so hyped to play with uncrowned but then I just went ugh and probably dissapointed you dude :c

[JacksonVirgo]

Don't worry I will post in the morning, sorry again dudes I'm not always like this

[JacksonVirgo]

Prodge, I'll post later today.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: hoopla

there is confirmed no scum 1-shot vig, so we should absolutely avoid shooting at the top of the draft.

We certainly should avoid shooting the top of the draft

Oh shit...the pt. Wrong thread.

What?

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: hoopla

there is confirmed no scum 1-shot vig, so we should absolutely avoid shooting at the top of the draft.

We certainly should avoid shooting the top of the draft

Oh shit...the pt. Wrong thread.

What?

Is this a claim?

[JacksonVirgo]

If you're going with the logic that scum would choose 1-shot vigi. That would mean lilith, Dunnstral, skitter, dave, S_S, Uncrowned, Infnity, peta are all Town.

[JacksonVirgo]

If you're going with the logic that scum would choose 1-shot vigi. That would mean lilith, Dunnstral, skitter, dave, S_S, Uncrowned, Infnity, peta are all Town.

Needless to say, it is not good logic.

You don't think I know this? Just calling out how dumb following that logic would be.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: peta

Obligatory as they're still scum

[JacksonVirgo]

i don't think we can make an assumption that scum chooses that slot tho

Yeah we can't. Although the N3 vigilante slot is still up in the air.

[JacksonVirgo]

DrippingGoofball (8): lilith2013, davesaz, Infinity 324, Menalque, PenguinPower, petapan, TheGoldenParadox, DrippingGoofball

If I had to guess, only 2 scum would likely be on here. Peta being one of them and PP and Paradox are both not scum due to vote placements. Leaving lilith, which is probably Town, and dave/menalque as I TR infinity.

[JacksonVirgo]

If you're going with the logic that scum would choose 1-shot vigi. That would mean lilith, Dunnstral, skitter, dave, S_S, Uncrowned, Infnity, peta are all Town.

Well at a certain point you assume someone above you in the draft is gonna take the vig. Could be a WIFOM play from scum though.

And yes, penguin, that's what I meant.

Like maybe scum!dave or scum!s_s thinks "well the 1-shot vig might be taken already so I could just take the N3 vig instead"

Jackson, try to explain to me your peta scumread again?

They were called out for choosing a scummy number in the draft, in which they said it was for the lulz. Which by itself is perfectly fine but that was a plain lie, which I called out and then they changed their answer to wanting a unique number because they assumed more would be paired together. They lied via omission which is a deception tactic and I do not like that one bit. If you read through their original post where they originally said it was for the lulz they blatantly said it was just for that and no other reason which is just deceitful. Their posts surrounding me calling them out lost all tone that they had beforehand and just after when nobody was even caring about my read they started jumping back to their old self, even discrediting me about it.

[JacksonVirgo]

jv is probably town too. i don't remember if i said that already

I don't think I have any reason to be "probably town" as I flaked the end of yesterday so could you explain this read so I'm not getting pocketed.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not going to post for the rest of today since my girlfriend is in hospital again with a fractured spine and neck and her legs are in a form of paralyzation and I'm going to go see here until the hospital kicks me out. I'll post sometimes off my phone maybe but don't expect it.

Sorry fam

[JacksonVirgo]

I hope your gf gets better

Thank you, I hope so too

[JacksonVirgo]

Not shitting you I’m going to hospital now because my own thing...

V/LA for 48 hours just in case

[JacksonVirgo]

DrippingGoofball (8): lilith2013, davesaz, Infinity 324, Menalque, PenguinPower, petapan, TheGoldenParadox, DrippingGoofball

If I had to guess, only 2 scum would likely be on here. Peta being one of them and PP and Paradox are both not scum due to vote placements. Leaving lilith, which is probably Town, and dave/menalque as I TR infinity.

I’ll do a consolidation vote on Mena since Dave’s tone is good and They’re the only one that could be scum outside of peta imo, and my push on peta is going nowhere for now but I definitely still SR the hell out of that slot

VOTE: Menalque

[JacksonVirgo]

hope you and your loved ones are okay jv :/

Thank you, I’m good now I think

[JacksonVirgo]

I’ll do a consolidation vote on Mena since Dave’s tone is good and They’re the only one that could be scum outside of peta imo, and my push on peta is going nowhere for now but I definitely still SR the hell out of that slot

VOTE: Menalque

Why is tgp town?

Why would you cut out half the post and then question me for what I answered there

[JacksonVirgo]

Sorry, you're right, idk why i missed/did that
What about the vote placement makes tgp town?

Rarely would scum vote right up their partners ass

[JacksonVirgo]

Sorry, you're right, idk why i missed/did that
What about the vote placement makes tgp town?

Rarely would scum vote right up their partners ass

Again I said that was assuming peta is scum which I am believing

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait did a PR clakm

[JacksonVirgo]

I didn’t even know they were essentially red checked, yeah I’m parking my vote here

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait did a PR clakm

I didn’t even know they were essentially red checked, yeah I’m parking my vote here

they did not!

What is dunn even on about thren

[JacksonVirgo]

dunn is suggesting I'm scum who got blocked/maybe trying to soft a block on me in such a way that he can claim he was just speculating about it but not actually saying it if someone calls him on it tomorrow

Dude if you saw they were possibly sifting why would you out it unless you’re thinking their scum for it

[JacksonVirgo]

Finally home so I can post properly since I'm on my computer, I hate mobile posting with a passion.

[JacksonVirgo]

dunn is suggesting I'm scum who got blocked/maybe trying to soft a block on me in such a way that he can claim he was just speculating about it but not actually saying it if someone calls him on it tomorrow

Dude if you saw they were possibly sifting why would you out it unless you’re thinking their scum for it

scum will have already noticed what was a very blatant semi-soft from dunn, he wasn't being subtle

Yeah okay I thought I was big brain and caught that soft :c

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: jacksonvirgo

whole pileon onto menalque today is terrible

OMGUS, finally got to a position where you can seamlessly vote me eh?

[JacksonVirgo]

want some explanation from infinity as to his vote there

Oh but not asking me? :thonk:

[JacksonVirgo]

Something feels a little off about this ^

I dont like it either but what's your reasoning?

From their wording I don't think they have any

[JacksonVirgo]

I think I missed something. How do we know Menalque was blocked? I thought Dunn only softed it and not actually claimed it so are we jumping the gun or is he outted?

[JacksonVirgo]

There would be zero reason to yeet you N1 as mafia so you're scum now trying to anti-spew

[JacksonVirgo]

That makes you >rand scum my friend.

[JacksonVirgo]

That makes you >rand scum my friend.

Yea but my role PM makes me infinitely >rand town so

*yawn*

[JacksonVirgo]

That makes you >rand scum my friend.

Yea but my role PM makes me infinitely >rand town so

*yawn*

^this is town after seeing a >rand scum try and make a stupid ass defense

Fixed it for you

[JacksonVirgo]

dunn is suggesting I'm scum who got blocked/maybe trying to soft a block on me in such a way that he can claim he was just speculating about it but not actually saying it if someone calls him on it tomorrow

Dude if you saw they were possibly sifting why would you out it unless you’re thinking their scum for it

scum will have already noticed what was a very blatant semi-soft from dunn, he wasn't being subtle

Wait we have 7 days? Holy shit

[JacksonVirgo]

@Mod, no longer V/LA as I'm home now

[JacksonVirgo]

dunn might, JV might... I think that's probably it for the people who could be scum who know me well enough or who I was focused on yesterday to want to kill me

Um. No

Uncrowned and skitter would have been my kill

[JacksonVirgo]

That makes you >rand scum my friend.

Yea but my role PM makes me infinitely >rand town so

*yawn*

^this is town after seeing a >rand scum try and make a stupid ass defense

Fixed it for you

if u were town u'd be interested in engaging with me and trying to sort my slot, not just trying to shade me and make me look bad fam

No I can't be assed

[JacksonVirgo]

dunn might, JV might... I think that's probably it for the people who could be scum who know me well enough or who I was focused on yesterday to want to kill me

Um. No

Uncrowned and skitter would have been my kill

okay, but you don't make the kill choice on your own do you JV

or are you telling me that you're the one who'd be leading the scumteam in the world where you're scum?

In no world would anyone attack you over them.

pedit: You are >rand scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

Sure thing. I only have one recent scum game which I just came out of in fact (I won it owo)

Check my signature for where all my games are stored.

[JacksonVirgo]

Sure thing. I only have one recent scum game which I just came out of in fact (I won it owo)

Check my signature for where all my games are stored.

[JacksonVirgo]

I try harder as scum than I do as Town, I try on D1 but I find it easier to form reads post-D1 but I do try my hardest when I'm in full health which I'm not as I just left Hospital today but yeah.

[JacksonVirgo]

Large Normal 229 - Won the game with Titus in end-game.

Newbie 1993 - I won this game, but I won it in a shitty way. Someone not there to hammer so the day ran out. Although I think I did well for my second scum game.

I'm not linking my SK game because 1. It's a 3p game. 2. I replaced in right at EoG and 3. I kinda just fucked up my claim.

[JacksonVirgo]

Mena/JV definitely looked S/S for a while there, the nonsense arguments when mena probably gets limmed today. Interesting move for mena to start TRing jackson though.

Exactly what I'm talking about via anti-spewing. Ffs

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not TRing JV, I'm reconsidering them

ebwop

Thank you

My name can get confusing, I feel that trips people up more than anything

[JacksonVirgo]

also, sorry if I've been getting your pronoun wrong, JV

All good fam

[JacksonVirgo]

JV, how good would you say your reads are in general?

Hard to tell recently and it depends on how into the game I am. If I'm super into the game I can nail at least one scum D1 most of the time, unless they're super good.

For example, in my recent Bats mini normal game I nailed one scum on the head (shellyc) and in a semi-recent newbie game I got both D1. Although if I'm not too into a game for any reason or if I'm in too many/too busy to play my reads somewhat fall down a bit. It's like a 20-30% difference though. Like my peta read is probably not as accurate as my shelly read from that game but it's still extremely likely to flip mafia imo.

Usually my strongest read is mainly based on things I can't really word properly so I've gotta get better at expressing my thoughts properly through the forums and I've been trying to get better with that.

Did that answer it or did I got on a tangent unknowingly

[JacksonVirgo]

also, JV, when I townflip what does that do for your reads and your "scum has no reason to yeet you N1 theory"

like when that's public information, what avenue are you going to pursue tomorrow?

I don't like the wording "when/public info" but I'll hear you out. If you do flip town, I will assume that a doctor caught a kill over you being attacked outright. I severely doubt that mafia attacked you over skitter/uncrowned considering their position in the town.

[JacksonVirgo]

so you're scum now trying to anti-spew

incidentally, lol

'trying'

What do you mean

[JacksonVirgo]

also, what's your read on Dave?

ngl I've been dead focused on other people that they're kinda null-town to me.

[JacksonVirgo]

69 award goes to Uncrowned.
420 award goes to PenguinPower.
666 award also goes to PenguinPower.

[JacksonVirgo]

I will assume that a doctor caught a kill over you being attacked outright

how does this fit with lili claiming to have JK me and us knowing that the PGO/1s vig slot was already dead

What do you mean? The PGO and the JKer aren't in the doctors slot.

Also for setup spec stuff. Why would scum choose JKer over Roleblocker. Rber has the doctor on their ass field whereas JKer has tracker which is much weaker in comparison which makes Lilith town especially as the #1 picker.

[JacksonVirgo]

so I wouldn't be 'trying' to anti-spew as scum rn

I would be successfully anti-spewing or successfully setting up people who aren't my partners

Dude, why are you twisting my words you know what I meant and you saying that makes me more confident that's what you're trying to do if you are scum here.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also, if you were scum here. And you are successfully anti-spewing, you would actually be trying as I called you out. Checkmate lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

May be biased because I just finished a game where basically-confirmed-scum kept trying to pretend to gamesolve, but I don't agree with hoopla here. Some people are just tenacious.

Seconded here, especially with what they just outted that they do

[JacksonVirgo]

Also, if you were scum here. And you are successfully anti-spewing, you would actually be trying as I called you out. Checkmate lmfao

'trying' makes it sound like I would be intending to but not succeeding. I'm just saying that if I were scum, I would be successfully anti-spewing

I get what you're saying dude, and I know you're just ignoring my point because you are trying to push to everyone that you're Town I get it

[JacksonVirgo]

JV, how good would you say your reads are in general?

Hard to tell recently and it depends on how into the game I am. If I'm super into the game I can nail at least one scum D1 most of the time, unless they're super good.

For example, in my recent Bats mini normal game I nailed one scum on the head (shellyc) and in a semi-recent newbie game I got both D1. Although if I'm not too into a game for any reason or if I'm in too many/too busy to play my reads somewhat fall down a bit. It's like a 20-30% difference though. Like my peta read is probably not as accurate as my shelly read from that game but it's still extremely likely to flip mafia imo.

Usually my strongest read is mainly based on things I can't really word properly so I've gotta get better at expressing my thoughts properly through the forums and I've been trying to get better with that.

Did that answer it or did I got on a tangent unknowingly

basically

why is peta scum again?

Short version? Lied to a question, I called them out, they retracted and said the supposed "truth" this time thus they were lying by omission and their tone via the first answer leaves absolutely no hints at all of alterior motives even though they had one. Tone surrounding me calling them out literally is a dumpster fire compared to their posts before that and as soon as people starting backing them up their tone returned.

I'm tired so I'll do *another* full ass thing on them when I'm not.

[JacksonVirgo]

I will assume that a doctor caught a kill over you being attacked outright

how does this fit with lili claiming to have JK me and us knowing that the PGO/1s vig slot was already dead

What do you mean? The PGO and the JKer aren't in the doctors slot.

Also for setup spec stuff. Why would scum choose JKer over Roleblocker. Rber has the doctor on their ass field whereas JKer has tracker which is much weaker in comparison which makes Lilith town especially as the #1 picker.

dude, I mean that if JK targeted me and given that there's a missing NK, that means that I have to have been saved by the JK targeting me unless the scum did no kill which seems unlikely

How the hell does this work. You being JKed and a doctor heal is not mutually exclusive events.

[JacksonVirgo]

I will assume that a doctor caught a kill over you being attacked outright

how does this fit with lili claiming to have JK me and us knowing that the PGO/1s vig slot was already dead

What do you mean? The PGO and the JKer aren't in the doctors slot.

Also for setup spec stuff. Why would scum choose JKer over Roleblocker. Rber has the doctor on their ass field whereas JKer has tracker which is much weaker in comparison which makes Lilith town especially as the #1 picker.

dude, I mean that if JK targeted me and given that there's a missing NK, that means that I have to have been saved by the JK targeting me unless the scum did no kill which seems unlikely

How the hell does this work. You being JKed and a doctor heal is not mutually exclusive events.

oh I see what you mean now

as in, you think a doctor was on uncrowned/skitter and saved the kill on them, while at the same time I happened to be JK'd?

Correct, I see that as more likely than you being protected by a JK from my perspective.

I just had a moment of absolute despair when I thought doc got feedback but they don't on this site do they? I forget

[JacksonVirgo]

I couldn't follow ANYTHING on D1, or I had a hard time doing so anyway

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait how did Dunnstral know that Mena was blocked?

[JacksonVirgo]

I lowkey dislike the what, 3?, dumbtells you've done today

Wdym

[JacksonVirgo]

Mena/JV definitely looked S/S for a while there, the nonsense arguments when mena probably gets limmed today. Interesting move for mena to start TRing jackson though.

Ok I'm coming back to this because I really don't like it

Why do you think this?

The argument seemed super pointless, idk why JV in particular continues that as town. Maybe they thought a little spat would help distance.

I often tend to push things further than they should, though that's self-meta so ignore if you want

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait how did Dunnstral know that Mena was blocked?

he was softing it but he didn't outright claim it

but is quite possibly scum, who knows that a kill on me failed

Yeah I get that. But how in the world would scum!them or town!them know you were blocked to begin with.

[JacksonVirgo]

I lowkey dislike the what, 3?, dumbtells you've done today

Wdym

I mean the stuff where you've been like "oh huh wait did someone claim a block on mena?" and "how does doctor work again?"

could be legit, but I've been burned before by scum faking disengagement or lack of knowledge to look townie (in the Secrets of Anuket game that I just linked, actually)

I play on different sites/servers that all have different shite and it confuses the hell out of me. Check my scum game, I don't do that at all iirc.

[JacksonVirgo]

Short version? Lied to a question, I called them out, they retracted and said the supposed "truth" this time thus they were lying by omission and their tone via the first answer leaves absolutely no hints at all of alterior motives even though they had one. Tone surrounding me calling them out literally is a dumpster fire compared to their posts before that and as soon as people starting backing them up their tone returned.

if they lied and you called it out and it was very obvious they lied, why do you think you've gotten like no traction there on your push?

Because people are town!biasing them or not reading into my reads because I'm not anywhere near the top or even the top-middle of the town and I tend to get ignored for my point above of not being able to really word things well.

Happens all the time

[JacksonVirgo]

you're talking about the peta unvote on uncrowned and pivot onto infinity, right?

About the lying thing? No?

[JacksonVirgo]

you're talking about the peta unvote on uncrowned and pivot onto infinity, right?

About the lying thing? No?

where am I looking in his ISO then?

Hold up I'll link you to one of my walls on peta

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait I swear I made a case with links and all that

pedit: What makes you think I'm an intelligent player Mena, I don't recall ever playing many if any games with you.

[JacksonVirgo]

I can't find it anywhere. I'll link some bois

1454 - The only wall I can find on them, which is weird since I SWEAR I made one.

64 - Their initial response to the quesitom.
593 - Is where I initially called them out.
601 - Their cheap ass response to that and then discrediting me for it.
615 - Compare the tone around this post in their iso to the rest of the game.

This is just from the top of my head as I'm still super tired from hospital

[JacksonVirgo]

skitter, can you talk about your JV townread please?

Not a hard townread, but i like their peta push / continuity in the thought process behind the push and their logic and reasoning for pushing there at daystart, it felt like it was somethijg that was bugging them overnight so they wanted to be sure to start there again today (and idk if scum is so single-focused on a push like that)

I

Holy shit I thought that "I" was my mouse cursor and I thought my mousepad broke for a bit.

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait I swear I made a case with links and all that

pedit: What makes you think I'm an intelligent player Mena, I don't recall ever playing many if any games with you.

well you have a 7-1 town win set from your google sheets records page so I'm assuming you're not an idiot

also you've been around on-site for a while and I just get that vibe from your posting this game

Ohhh okay, that makes sense

[JacksonVirgo]

Lilith is town here, or is my logic from earlier wrong?

[JacksonVirgo]

Have fun Mena, I might sleep now

[JacksonVirgo]

Can someone tell me if my logic on town!lilith is bad?

[JacksonVirgo]

Also has anyone actually checked peta's tone where I linked? I feel like it's so obvious but everyone's ignoring it

[JacksonVirgo]

Well damn, idfk.. sorry? I'm going to sleep goodnight

[JacksonVirgo]

My definition of an anti-spew is based on what I define what a spew is. Spew is what a scum does that outs their partner/s. Anti-spew is abusing that to try and out townies and make them seem that they're being spewed as their buddies.

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyway I am going to attempt sleep again

[JacksonVirgo]

Prodge for now sorry

[JacksonVirgo]

I got prodded :c

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Peta

[JacksonVirgo]

JV why haven't you talked about TGP at all?

Don't really have a read on them.

I'm seriously considering just reading the game from the start I'm that out of the loop

[JacksonVirgo]

alternately i can just thunderdome you and you and your shitpush can fuck off

Dude, calm the fuck down I am just trying to play the game.

[JacksonVirgo]

no you're not lmfao

You know what, fuck you.

[JacksonVirgo]

I carried owo