Death Curse

[Vaxkiller]

HEEEEEEELLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOO MAFIA SCUM! I'm back. What are we doing here? Who we voting? I'm aware of the games rules, I've skimmed the thread for about 10 min, and will prolly read some more throughout the day, but gimme a TLDR someone.

[Vaxkiller]

LLD's posts do look pretty town, quick glance at her voting looks genuine.

Thanks for your hot takes mudercat

[Vaxkiller]

I'll read up more in a bit.... I want to look into pookiebear. Quick look at vote counts (altho few) it seems as the 1 band wagon was going away, pookie was quick to jump on another with LLD.

[Vaxkiller]

This is probably scum.

isn't the pro scum play here to just. bus Noraa and get LLD and misdirect LLD

Im with Hopkirk, that was kinda scummy.

As far as scum using LLD, If they were smart, they would steer clear of that, but who says the scaum are smart? I guess it could go either way.

Sometimes I talk myself out of a thought.
sigh

[Vaxkiller]

@shellyc

Whos inactive and whos voting them?

[Vaxkiller]

Quick question, once someone gets the scroll, I HOPE were still going to all vote (even if its unofficial) for the next person to get it.

It really only seems more advantageous for the scum to not talk and just kill someone.

Or is the game paused when the scroll is handed out?

[Vaxkiller]

Quick question, once someone gets the scroll, I HOPE were still going to all vote (even if its unofficial) for the next person to get it.

It really only seems more advantageous for the scum to not talk and just kill someone.

Or is the game paused when the scroll is handed out?

no, leashing is bad because that hands some control to scum if the scroll in town hands

Hmmm, I was thinking more along the lines of we get scum, they will do everything in their power to NOT kill another scum, we could get soem good intel from that. I would at LEAST prefer no hipshots and a good reads lists.

[Vaxkiller]

LLD is town, but I've noticed that essentially none of her posts can be reduced down to 'gr I'm angry' rather than any meaningful content.

That's pretty much how I read LLD in a nutshell.

NUT(How I read LLD)SHELL

I'll be here all day folks.

[Vaxkiller]

UNVOTE: hopkirk

[Vaxkiller]

I make my own decisions.

[Vaxkiller]

LLD is town, but I've noticed that essentially none of her posts can be reduced down to 'gr I'm angry' rather than any meaningful content.

That's pretty much how I read LLD in a nutshell.

NUT(How I read LLD)SHELL

I'll be here all day folks.

I take this back. LLD hasnt really been pushed enough for me to get the best read on her.

Is LLD's main argument with hopkirk is that he tends to agree with her?

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: adorable

[Vaxkiller]

I feel like its going to turn out that LLD's push on Hopkirk was just reaction testing like hopkirk said.

[Vaxkiller]

@Hopkirk counter question to town cred question. Why are you trying to look town right now if you don't care about town cred by dropping the act?

Did he mention that he is trying to look town now?

[Vaxkiller]

@Hopkirk counter question to town cred question. Why are you trying to look town right now if you don't care about town cred by dropping the act?

Did he mention that he is trying to look town now?

Do you think he isn't?

He is active and giving his thoughts. Weather they are town or scum I can't say yet, but you were just throwing shade instead of asking a real question you want an answer to.

[Vaxkiller]

Question for anyone: Is there an overwhelming majority of players who think Noraa is scum or is there just an overwhelming majority of players who think LLD is going to make sure Noraa dies soon so aren't putting in too much effort?

I wasnt even aware LLD was still trying to kill nora. I'll write this on my to do list.

Are you scum reading nora unowen?

[Vaxkiller]

I don't agree that I was throwing shade at him. I was genuinely curious. I know that hopkirk generally knows what towncred is and how to get it and his switch in posting style is designed to get it.

....@Pooky confession: I don't think I can read taylor. But she seems to be try harding which is new and exciting to me.

So you think he drew scum and planned to act out rhyming until things got bad, and then turned it around. Ok that would be a good strat, but your original post still seems shady to me.

@Hopkirk counter question to town cred question. Why are you trying to look town right now if you don't care about town cred by dropping the act?

It seems like to me, you already had an answer to your own question (above) and weren't really looking for one. Hence the shade.

[Vaxkiller]

because a blank vote on a popular wagon that ends up being a mislynch is more likely to be a scum vote

Do you often find this to be the case?

[Vaxkiller]

because a blank vote on a popular wagon that ends up being a mislynch is more likely to be a scum vote

Do you often find this to be the case?

do you mean have i actually kept a record of when this is the case or not
because the answer to that is no
but it is behavior that i think scum would do
to be perfectly honest this might be more me discouraging a behavior i do not think is beneficial for town as opposed to actually scum reading it


i am actually going to analyze the noraa wagon again and post my findings on that later

No, I would not expect anyone to spend hours of time collecting data, but rather do you just believe it to be true, which you do indicate above.

I would think it would be a more case by case basis or person by person basis. I think some scum players would be afraid of a naked vote, and would want to explain it away.

[Vaxkiller]

So I’ve made it to page 27. I don’t understand why anyone would want Isis dead for her posts around then.

Ooof, just join us on this page.

[Vaxkiller]

I have a name you know!

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Noraa

we are not voting noraa

we are simply all agreeing that she is probably scum and will be handed the scroll at some point

who else do you think is scum

p-edit
we do not talk about the actual replacement as a way to read people
as in the act of replacing out
not the person who is the replacement

why did i explain the joke

Why would we not vote her if we all agree she is scum? I don;t get it

[Vaxkiller]

I saw on Noraa's recent reads list she put me as newbtown and I find this strange she still leaves her vote on me.

@Theta You never responded to #1658 and your theory looks really weird. shelly said on #347 Noraa hates bussing.

I forgot about that
UNVOTE:

So when did you change your mind?

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: pooky

Also, I wonder if Bell is bussing.

[Vaxkiller]

Bell isnt even voting for pooky apparently....

[Vaxkiller]

Hot take. All 3 of you might be scum shading each other.


I'll read pookys iso in a bit

[Vaxkiller]

Is anyone familiar with their playstyle?

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Toogeloo

Whya re we voting toogs?

[Vaxkiller]

rofl

[Vaxkiller]

Nora was a bad vote. Pooky is still a good option. Who is panda?

[Vaxkiller]

why do you find the need to say this just like ... in general?

It gets my feelings out there. In retrospect I think nora was a good vote, because I have better feelings about you.

Who is panda tho, I dont see them in this game.

[Vaxkiller]

I forgot the "now" after because

[Vaxkiller]

why do you find the need to say this just like ... in general?

It gets my feelings out there.

In retrospect I think nora was a good vote, because

NOW

I have better feelings about you.

Who is panda tho, I dont see them in this game.

........am I the only one that doesnt understand how this sentence is supposed to ever make sense?

For clarification.

[Vaxkiller]

What's with all the self voting?

[Vaxkiller]

I forgot the "now" after because

the question is if you feel better about me why are you happy with a vote on me?

Ok, I was trying to TLDR it, but here you go:

I'm glad I voted you and everyone else did as well, because your reactions to being voted seemed town to me. So voting you WAS good and I am happy for it because it sorted you out.

Does that explain it better? Sorry sometimes I type something and immediately think people will know what I'm talking about, and it's not always apparent.

[Vaxkiller]

I forgot the "now" after because

the question is if you feel better about me why are you happy with a vote on me?

Ok, I was trying to TLDR it, but here you go:

I'm glad I voted you and everyone else did as well, because your reactions to being voted seemed town to me. So voting you WAS good and I am happy for it because it sorted you out.

Does that explain it better? Sorry sometimes I type something and immediately think people will know what I'm talking about, and it's not always apparent.

cure I can take this except I think you got your facts wrong cuz I was tunneled hard for "bad reactions" as they say

Facts? lol. You mean other peoples opinions?

I'll have to go back and check, but some of the people pushing hard your wagon is part of the reason im feeling scummy about a few slots

[Vaxkiller]

Ouch Vaxkiller if you are gonna give out SRs based on who tunneled me, your gonna hit our super townie tunneler LLD really fast :/

She has other tells.

[Vaxkiller]

also, your post is a pretty big exaggeration. I'm not scum reading everyone who tunneled, nor did I say I was. I remember not liking the reactions of some of those around your voting.

[Vaxkiller]

Nora, do you like only talk in absolutes or something?

[Vaxkiller]

I mean I'm obviously not on ANYONE's town list. In my skims, I don't think I even saw anyone mention my name with a non-null for the first time until somewhere in page 60s or 70s. I'm also not fully reading every post since I don't intend to spend however many hours it is to actually read all the walls posted over the past 80 pages of content I've skimmed through. I'm disinterested in wading through shit posts, and I'm an irrelevant participant in conversations. So you could do far worse than to get rid of a null read for the vast majority of you guys, and a scum lean or scum read for the minority of this flash wagon.

Your null to me at the moment. Id rather have a different lynch, but its not going to happen.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Bell

[Vaxkiller]

Please, I'll vote you toogs, but i wanna see where my vanity vote goes.

[Vaxkiller]

Cant these ppl plz vote, or revote so we can come to a consensus?

Gloria Cleary
Lapsa
LadyLD
MUSHSHAGANA
Zdenek
Noraa

[Vaxkiller]

im drunk, can we plxz kill someone else than toog

[Vaxkiller]

il actually join any other wagon besides nora or toogs at the moment


so many to choose from

[Vaxkiller]

LLD

[Vaxkiller]

Sigh. I'll hammer.

Unless I can convince you guys not to hand the scroll to a townie?

[Vaxkiller]

I thought I saw another vote on the previous page.

[Vaxkiller]

Why not a bell wagon?

[Vaxkiller]

It's a shame how self-aware I am and that I can't shut up with these wry observations.

Like this is just it. It's observations. Something happens and bell comments on gamestate, or calls someone scum and then no action. Then he goes off on this taylor swift nonsense which doesn't help at all and is just a distraction.

[Vaxkiller]

With you its more shade. Sometimes you ask questions that you already know the answer to... or there is no answer to (or at least only one correct answer), and just asking them put shade out there.

[Vaxkiller]

It's like a fluffer-n.utter sandwich. But with you its more fluff and not enough nutter

[Vaxkiller]

alright, back to work, ill check in after lunch.

[Vaxkiller]

Just kill off the biggest scum reads. My god, the ppl big braining this thinking of the "best spot" to kill scum is going to miss scum in the long game.

Like yea, there is a pot that is better, but we shouldnt aim for it, or we might miss.

Just vote scum, jsut pass tos cum.

[Vaxkiller]

to scum.

[Vaxkiller]

If I thought he were scum I would have kept my vote there. He's more null-townish now. There are way better options.

[Vaxkiller]

The scum team is probably everyone who had crazy shitty ideas of shooting in a specific manner other than shooting scum.

[Vaxkiller]

bell
pooky
shellyc

[Vaxkiller]

U missed my vote for pooky

[Vaxkiller]

sigh, fine

[Vaxkiller]

bell
pooky
shellyc

5 names, or I consider your entry invalid.

bell
pooky
shellyc
unowen
tswift

[Vaxkiller]

Am I hammered? I think I am. You think I'd really set up tables and keep up a charade like this as scum after my hammer instead of just take out you or hopkirk for starting the wagon on me in the first place?

I probably would. Then I would play more mind games while ultimately ignoring all and choosing the best target.

[Vaxkiller]

Am I hammered? I think I am. You think I'd really set up tables and keep up a charade like this as scum after my hammer instead of just take out you or hopkirk for starting the wagon on me in the first place?

I

probably

definitely would. Then I would play more mind games while ultimately ignoring all and choosing the best target.

[Vaxkiller]

Vaxkiller is because just read that ISO it's wild.

?

[Vaxkiller]

do you actually read what you post before you post it?

What's so wild about it?

[Vaxkiller]

On #2509 Vaxkiller said he's glad he voted you but he never voted you and he lied.

I swear I was part of that wagon. I assumed I was.... but checking back I was not.

[Vaxkiller]

I am not sure why Theta/Murder don't want to give reads. If scum chooses to kill me or not kill me for something I have said, I trust that will be brought to light down the line.

I'm going to cheat somewhat because I don't have solid scumreads out of the pool of 10ish people I would consider passing the scroll, and I might not have time to find those preferences.

Don't give it to Lady, Murder, Bell, Hopkirk, Pooky or Mush. I slightly lean against throwing it at Theta but could be wrong. Hopkirk I have some capacity to be wrong on because I have not analyzed him deeply, but I'll reevaluate later.

If I had the scroll right now and I had to hit scum to win, I'd throw it at shelly. If I had the scroll and I just wanted to get the most information out of a flip as possible, I'd throw it at Noraa or Tayl0r. If all three of these players became scroll-immune, I would throw it at.... likely Lapsa or Adorable.

Zdenek/Vax/Titus/UNOwen/Gloria all have capacity to be scum but I do not have enough of an opinion on them yet.

This is so wishy washy.

Lurk lurk lurk, then post a "going with the flow" post. You go out of your way to tell us you arent sure. Yea we all arent sure, but this: "dont have solid scumreads"..."but could be wrong"... "capacity to be wrong"... "capacity to be scum" ... "I do not have enough of an opinion on them yet"

shellyc
Tayl0r
Noraa
Lapsa
Adorable

This list is all low hanging fruit, any of these people could die and everyone would shrug. No one on this list is going to present too much of an obstacle to put them on this list.

Can I change my tswift vote to Fidget?

[Vaxkiller]

ehhhh

You may have a point. But I too sometimes think of myself as more important and get stuck on analyzing the people that interact with me only. Something I need to work on.

[Vaxkiller]

What's your town bloc?

[Vaxkiller]

3428 was in response to 3426 not 3427

[Vaxkiller]

yeah but think of it another way
town have no reason to be confident because they aren't informed

Yea, but as scum it's nice to have things laid out in a way you can flip on easily without making something up.

[Vaxkiller]

bell
pooky
shellyc
unowen
tswift

if you consider me LHF why am I on your list

You can be both!

Heh, looking at my list, they are all low hanging fruit too.

[Vaxkiller]

Fidget, why is mush town? Like he was lurking then he posts 1 post and everyone is like, oh wow mush graced us with his town presence. I didnt really get it.

[Vaxkiller]

pooky/bell are also not LHF. do you think everyone's LHF atm??

Maybe I shouldn't be using LHF term.

I feel like, save for 5 people or so, mostly everyone would shrug if they killed someone, and there would be little resistance.

[Vaxkiller]

Can I change my tswift vote to Fidget?

I want to revoke this.

[Vaxkiller]

fidget do you see what I am seeing with 3440 being scum not understanding why a “lurker” town is UTR’d

He's a lurker to me. I just joined. Also, as scum I don't think I would care about the answer and be more focused on the shade. I genuinely wanted fidgets opinion.

[Vaxkiller]

Can I change my tswift vote to Fidget?

I want to revoke this.

i want to hear the why

Interactions today. Not defensive, seems genuine, still unsure of me (not trying to buddy up or anything) Seemsgood.

[Vaxkiller]

Have you played with me before or did you really read my games?

Why are you asking this?

[Vaxkiller]

Have you played with me before or did you really read my games?

Why are you asking this?

@Bell, like I really want to know why you are asking this.

[Vaxkiller]

Have you played with me before or did you really read my games?

Why are you asking this?

When people talk to each other usually there’s more of a request to explain what someone means, but they just outright answered me like I was speaking clear as a bell. It made me think they must know me.
I don’t mean to alt hunt. I just noticed it.

Oh. I was thinking something else.

It come of incredibly overly defensive for fidget not really scum reading you (as far as I can tell).

But your explanation fits better.

[Vaxkiller]

Vote: Vaxkiller

Well, that was dumb.

[Vaxkiller]

Yes. If I were scum I would proabbly make ppl make lists and shit and then eventually scum claim while making people beg for thier lives int eh thread.


This just kinda sucks, cause im not 100% sure who to pass it to, and have very few people I trust. I'll listen to people, but im going to wait at least a day to make my decision. I gotta go back to work.

[Vaxkiller]

My mind is reeling from Hopkirks reaction. I went from slight scum read to 100% scum read and all it took was for someone to pass me the scroll.

[Vaxkiller]

@mush

My comments on you were asking if there was something _I_ was missing, because I didn't get why most had a solid townread on you. I do not plan on offing you. I may not trust you 100%, but I do consider passing it to you to be a mistake, especially given as others seem to have you figured out and I do not.

I still cannot for the life of me figure out how I was chosen after all that voting... I seemed so far down on the list as far as weighted votes go.

[Vaxkiller]

@Vax, Imo, I would just listen to whatever LLD recommends.

I was hoping to have more time to read her. My town read on her was to not agitate her. I figured she would show her true self given more time in the game. SHe is 100% not a target, but I also dont 100% trust her at this moment.

[Vaxkiller]

That reveal needed a drum roll.
My recommendation is again shelly for dodging 2151 1000001 times.

I want an answer too.

[Vaxkiller]

Shelly can u answer please.

[Vaxkiller]

Nora is a miserable person?

@LLD, can you give me a TLDR why hopkirk is scum?

[Vaxkiller]

The thing that pisses me off about toog is like everyone acknowledged they were killing town.

[Vaxkiller]

The thing that pisses me off about toog is like everyone acknowledged they were killing town.

while vax did not show opposition to that wagon

this sounds really lamist. if you were really concerned that toog was town you should have done more.

im drunk, can we plxz kill someone else than toog

il actually join any other wagon besides nora or toogs at the moment


so many to choose from

Sigh. I'll hammer.

Unless I can convince you guys not to hand the scroll to a townie?

Why not a bell wagon?

[Vaxkiller]

ATM im leaning towards shelly.

THe other person is Hopkirk, but i feel he is more of a long shot. Like I want to believe he is scum, but im not really sure.

[Vaxkiller]

I've been ignoring the taylor/nora posts because they seemt o be having thier own tiff or something.

[Vaxkiller]

I think I deserve the chance to go 0/3 by calling for a shot on lapsa

rofl

[Vaxkiller]

Im not sure I want to curse a lurker.

[Vaxkiller]

@titus


The biggest thing to me is the progression of the toog wagon and scroll targets.

The toog wagon forms, shelly has them as a scum lean. Toog asks for names. Shelly gives names. Curse happens. Toog asks for names again. Toog is obviously town at this point. Shelly doesnt address it. Like if they really believed they were scum, why give the names?

Then im cursed, and toogs reaction is OVER THE TOP that they killed they scum Vaxkiller, so obviously they did believe toog was town, because why would scum kill scum? When that changed... I dunno. The Post where they say they killed scum!vax is so fake too, and once they realize no one is buying their bullshit they back off.

[Vaxkiller]

EDIT

Then im cursed, and toogs reaction is OVER THE TOP that they killed they scum Vaxkiller,

Then im cursed and SHELLYC's reaction is not over the top, but still convinced they got scum.

I misremembered. Hopkirks reaction was over the top, which does notgive me the warm and fuzzies about him either.

This doesnt really change my thoughts on shelly c

[Vaxkiller]

Hopkirk follows a similar progression as shelly above. THe Vaxkiller is scum, lets move on is not over the top (like I misremembered), but it looks fake to me.


It also kinda weird how I wasnt really on anyone's radar and then these 2 start up with the Vaxkiller propaganda during toogs lists.

[Vaxkiller]

and how do you feel now?

[Vaxkiller]

How do you feel about shelly's progression?

[Vaxkiller]

I can still see you flipping scum, but that's getting lower the longer the phase lasts.

When did you start town reading toog?

[Vaxkiller]

I SUMMON ISIS!

[Vaxkiller]

probably not gonna happen.

[Vaxkiller]

Sad times, then.

I think I'll be making my decision tonight as no one really seems to have anything relevant to say. If I for some reason don't, it will be tomorrow morning.

[Vaxkiller]

Bell, do you feel comfortable being able to sort out hopkirk eventually?

[Vaxkiller]

Bell, do you feel comfortable being able to sort out hopkirk eventually?

Haven't we played together more than once? I've only played with Bell once.

Ive been away for a few years, but yea i think ive played with you a few times.

[Vaxkiller]

I dunno when my times up, but lets do this for now jsut in case.

HURT: shellyc

[Vaxkiller]

Hopkirk. I feel like I want to keep you around

[Vaxkiller]

Hopkirk. I feel like I want to keep you around

...with me in the dead thread.

VOTE: Hopkirk

If hopkirk flips like I think he will, please look at shellyC.

If he does flip town, I'm sorry. Maybe still look at shellyC


I cant seem to sort taylor with all thier posts

pookie still not sure about

Unowen is town if Hopkirk flips scum

Unfortunately there is probably also a scum in one of the slots that is lurking... I hate offing lurkers, but, it may have to be done.



I think I was wrong about Bell being scum.

[Vaxkiller]

Obviously what happened is that scum toog passed to scum vax who passed to town hopkirk just to mess with us.

To show town "Don't fuck with us, we are CRAZY!"

This is my favorite theory so far.

[Vaxkiller]

Ok now my variance stats point a lot more towards

Vax

/Fidget and away from

Shelly

/Lapsa and slightly away from

Zdenek/Taylor/Adorable

I think there may be scum in that yellow.

[Vaxkiller]

Vax & Fidget have the greatest disparity in 'how people I like read them' vs 'how people I don't like read them'. The only person I don't like who put Vax on their list was Bell with a 5. I'm assuming town-Panda would be removing his scumreads from the weighting or giving them a greater weighting.

This doesnt really matter now, and there is more than just this one post that convinced me, but I really thought this post was kinda telling. He more concerned reading other peoples reads than actually having his own.

[Vaxkiller]

Actually though I think there is a decent chance this is red,

This is new for you...

[Vaxkiller]

Actually though I think there is a decent chance this is red,

This is new for you...

Well I am reevaling assuming you and toog are both town

Yea, but what's our townness have to do with you changing your opinion on Hopkirk?

Toog and I can be town and wrong about Hopkirk

[Vaxkiller]

Great game nora, great game all!

Big ole sorry for handing you the scroll Hopkirk. I should not have played the "what if" game and and over complicated things in my head.