Death Curse

[Bell]

Yay 2 hours of sleep!

[Bell]

Bell are you town here

i've got my dayvig gun ready

I’m always town you scum claimer

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My understanding is that scum get one day vig you can’t shoot a scroll holder.
We get three flips at once.
That occur over a 7 day voting phase.
Then 2 baton passes for an additional 6 days of content.
3 flips repeat.
No scum NK?

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I’m not sure if I wanna just give the first scroll to lapsa or not.

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He doesn’t post much.
And the game’s unique mechanic makes sure that he gets a fair shake at hunting if he’s town this game,

Win/win

He’ll probably just throw the scroll in my face tho.

[Bell]

Because I’m genius town.

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For somebody who doesn’t like April’s style, you sure are playing like him this game. :3

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I dunno, I can’t define that mess.
I’d like to imagine he’s sitting on a desk in front of a type writer surrounded by papers and being buffeted by winds constantly somewhere.

[Bell]

VOTE: Shellyc

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As someone that fakes town slips as scum.
I also town slip as town and or can't be bothered to clarify set ups on my own when the thread will do.

Also, ignore me I'm not going to interfere with your bearvestigation.

[Bell]

That's pretty much why I asked about night kills. It was ambiguous whether there was/is a night phase after the 3 flips or I forgot whether this set up is mountainous with no night phase due to sleep deprivation.

[Bell]

Hi LLD. Nice to see you again.

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I am 15% sure that was a somewhat witty joke.

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What am I supposed to do with this too tired to do anything, but unable to sleep condition I find myself in.
Whine.
That’s what i’ll do.

Regarding Noraa my heart just dropped.
I’m glad I’m not scum partners with them if they’re scum.

Pedit: pfft.

[Bell]

Noraa has to be getting coached

?

I think he’s in his own little world and it’s a fun place in there.
Though yeah, a single question mark point should to you shutting down some to reveal less when under scrutiny.

It sure is rvs.

[Bell]

I’m not sure if we should just dogpile on Noraa now or just have a gentle beings agreement to give them the scroll later. Though I think the latter could be a problem in getting situated with good reads and atmosphere.
So in retrospect pretend I didn’t say that.

[Bell]

Why hasn’t LLD been vigged yet.
I feel like if I were scum I would have sent that message in yesterday.

[Bell]

maybe you should send the choice in bell before she wrecks anymore of your scum-team :3

If I could I would but for whatever reason i don’t think Hectic would accept a day vig request from town.
This is also coincidentally why I haven’t been desperately messaging in my day scum PT to shoot LLD via veto.

[Bell]

I’m just making sure but this isn’t another case where i’m Scum buddies with all the scum according to the other town right and you aren’t being serious?

[Bell]

Did I say i’m Glad i’m Not scum buddies with Norra yet.

[Bell]

Also, I feel bad if she’s actually not scum.

Though I suppose I should feel bad either way which fits in nicely with how I feel rn.

[Bell]

Did I say i’m Glad i’m Not scum buddies with Norra yet.

Who are you scum buddies with then?

Are you my 3rd scum buddy.

[Bell]

Did I say i’m Glad i’m Not scum buddies with Norra yet.

BUS THEM THEN

SMILE

I wanna but I think I might already be bussing.

[Bell]

I suspect it was a statement given that I have trouble believing not scum would be that literal. :3

[Bell]

Backing up a bit.
Please tell me you don’t actually think i’m scum buddies with Norraa.

Pedit: hmm. Norra is it typical for you to have so many reads so early in the game?

[Bell]

Bell wants off the sinking Noraa boat

There’s a bright side to how this game is designed.

[Bell]

*throws a scroll at Taylor and Pookie*

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...his scum playstyle?

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*throws a scroll at Taylor and Pookie*

can we keep jokes like this to the scum PT please?

No. Your reads are bad and you should feel bad.

[Bell]

I enjoy you Taylor.
You’re initially difficult to appreciate but your humor is refreshing.

I still can’t read you for shit tho.

[Bell]

im gonna say that this push is counterproductive to sorting noraa, who will be defensive and respond very similarly as both alignments.

This is so flaily though for so early in the game, I don't think town Noraa reacts so strongly and LAMISTs so much

I am very late to the murdercat town party.
But I am here now.

[Bell]

Theres a thing called luck. Luck played in big time that game. My partner accidentally nokilled and that ultimately lead to our victory. Without that along with another player's lurking due to rl, you really think I could've won that game?

Noraa not taking credit for a win looks bad to me

Why does it look bad to you?

[Bell]

I think i’m Going to miss the chance to bus but i’m With you in spirit.

I don’t think i’m particularly spicy of a town read fidget.
I disagree on pooky read. Agree on the other two.

[Bell]

Also, those capital letters are from my phone posting and don’t take it as code that i’m A seer or whatever all the letters spell together. Last time that happened I got investigated by said seer (I was also a werewolf, so that sucked).

[Bell]

I Like LLD’s reasoning it occurs to me that because of the chain there’s no possibility of wifom kills.

[Bell]

lld i dont like how youre trying to paint me as scum here. if im scum, regardless of noraa's alignment, its an awful play for me to be so blatant in defending her. i get wayyy more scrutiny than WK points, and if she flips scum i probably die too.

this is right
bell is scum for basically refusing to read noraa
noraa is scum for outlined reasons
LLD is town because lld/noraa is not s/s
taylor is town because of this post

why is murder town btw, entrance doesn't really ping either way

I like my vote. Since I did read Nora.

[Bell]

To be clear I don’t disagree with the meta reads but, i don’t know her play or her capacity. So i’m starting with a lot less.
There’s stuff that’s off. There’s a general pointed avoidance of denying they’re scum directly etc, as LLD said, there’s a focus on the argument rather than trying to read LLD.

On the other hand I agree somewhat with tailor that the LLD approach might make things more confusing than whatever normal rvs looks like.

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If anyone "accidentally hammers" tho, I'm SRing you to hell and back, scum and ur going down with me 100% if u try to get that towncred.

Dunno if somebody asked this but how would it be town cred if you flip town.

@shellyc. You’re officially on my scum
bucket lists for your posts this game.

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You’re basically dead to me at this point shelly.
This is your scum game.

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Lld is town. A blind person can see that. And if theybcouldn’t See it a dead person would hear it.
I literally just explained Noraa.

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Hell if I know what kind of mathematics would go into that equation. But pit me against lld more. See what happens.

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I added in enough qualifiers that you ignoring that just makes me sure you’re either being intentionally dense or intentionally ignoring them.

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Regarding Noraa my heart just dropped.

while not voting noraa

which is a very scummy move to look good for the cameras while trying to slow the wagon

If you say so scum shelly.

[Bell]

I don’t see any paranoia from you.
You just said I was scum and that was it

Also, omgus implies that I’m town. So mark your words carefully

[Bell]

Hushing.

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In my loose experience, scum!Noraa aggressively points the finger at people constantly, whereas town!Noraa at least is unsure on some reads. I imagine scum!Noraa shouting about how confident and sure she is someone is scum as they go down, whereas town!Noraa might be unsure, feel bad, and hedgey on what the flip will be.

There is overlap though because Noraa in general tends to be quite erratic and aggressive. I'm unsure if my theory on her being less certain == towny is true but it's worked at least a couple times so far.

This would have been very helpful in a different rvs.

[Bell]

@isis you okay over there?
Busy or something?

[Bell]

Bell, I'm gonna ask if you can give me a megapost. Just, something gigantic. Summary of the game, your collected case against Noraa, I don't actually care, the important part is having a large block of game relevant content to gaze into. I don't really have the energy to go through my usual stuff, maybe being nice will pay dividends. I get the feeling that your answer's going to be no, but I have to ask or I might just be wasting my time to get what I could have gotten easier this way.

No. I’m depressed right now and in no mood to perform like a monkey. I’ll eventually town tell like I always do

[Bell]

gloria you an alt or hydra?

pooky thoughts on bell right now
do you see what I'm seeing

I already said bell is scum a while ago

You were serious?

[Bell]

Thanks bear.
Now stop throwing shade at me. It makes me think you’re scum. Cause you aren’t asking anything and lacking curiosity here.

[Bell]

im currently laser focused on bell because noraa is going to be today and i do SR there but I feel like that slot has been touched on too many times and is rather obvious scum

re: Bell defense of noraa. if bell just bussed there noraa would probably be dead already
discrediting without pushing and the effort to make reads is a reeeeeallllllllly good way to stop the push while still not going against the town leader
taylor just straight-out WKed there and bell discredited the push/agreed with taylor but still townread LLD

Where did I discredit the push

[Bell]

i already said I think you're scum because you're coaching noraa in the scum PT

You know what occam’s razor Is yeah?

[Bell]

You’re making two steps when there isn’t even one.
Whatever you think I told her to do, I didn’t.

[Bell]

Yeah but simple things are also more probabilistic than complex things with lots of assumptions? Guesses and leaps.

[Bell]

You’re wrong full stop. Whether you know you’re wrong or not depends on the color of your role pm.

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You’re making two steps when there isn’t even one.
Whatever you think I told her to do, I didn’t.

see this is clearly further evidence that bell is scum
when pooky puts pressure there they omgus, flail even more and just say no im town
do you expect me to buy that

Tell me why you’re trying to snow me instead of reading my shit. Do you lack curiosity?

[Bell]

You’re making two steps when there isn’t even one.
Whatever you think I told her to do, I didn’t.

see this is clearly further evidence that bell is scum
when pooky puts pressure there they omgus, flail even more and just say no im town
do you expect me to buy that

I don’t care if you buy that. But your arguments are false from the get go, so why should I engage with them?
Should I break out the paper and pencil and draw you a map?

[Bell]

All that does is waste my time and whether you’re scum or town you’re wasting my time.

[Bell]

So you want me to break out the pencil and paper and draw you a map

1. You’re projecting, I voted you first. So by definition you’re infusing me if you’re town.
2. Ongoing.
3. In all the games I played with you in none of them did I ask a question about a push on me. So where you’re getting the assumption that as town I would is bizarre or bullshit.
4. You know my issues. And yet you’re still scum reading me for ongoing reasons so play better or stop scum telling so hard.

[Bell]

@ pool or are you going to come back to that or are we done here?

[Bell]

wait are you talking to me?

No.

[Bell]

#478 was to you though.

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Yeah so how exactly could you have an expectation for how I would react?

[Bell]

Your entire foundation is poor and if you’re town the results were predictable. If you don’t know what you’re doing, you’re not going to reach an accurate conclusion except by luck and you didn’t even have luck on your side because I rolled green.

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@ pool or are you going to come back to that or are we done here?

Come back for what? I wasn't aware we were still conversing lol

About why you’re scum reading me for no reason.

[Bell]

Bell will you help me with this game? I think you're town. I guess you could be scum doing fancy soft defend anticatalyst stuff people said but you feel like town and I don't care
should I feel different about MUSHGANA

He just got here. I don’t know. I liked that he was at least willing to engage and start trying to read people. But that’s more pro-game than pro-town.

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I dunno you feel pretty scummy, that's just the vibe I pick off your posts.

I'm not even pushing you atm so I'm not sure why you're so worried about it lol :3

A gut read. Lovely.

I don’t like America.
You don’t either or else you’d be outside. :3

[Bell]

I have been trolled by a Canadian goddamnit.

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^^ you have my permission to throw a scroll at either of these officially.

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^^ you have my permission to throw a scroll at either of these officially.

leashing scroll = even scummier
scum needs to leash scroll

pedit: see isis gave up because im too good

K scum shelly.

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I claim scum

give scroll to noraa
noraa gives to LLD (?)
LLD gives to isis

two scum down

Town thought process right here.

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no I mean Shelly is right. If Noraa is scum she's probably handing me the scroll.

Except that would be a mistake, because if Noraa hands me the scroll she confirms herself as a correct scum death and I go for the 2 point play without fear.

And that's bad for her. So many scum!Noraa pretends and hands it to someone town but wrong?

Sure this makes sense.

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LLD, she’s literally a mod.

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P. Much.

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Okay. I don’t care.
Shellyc got under my skin.
And I guess i’m Death tunneling her now.

[Bell]

So you’re mod killing yourself because issues?

[Bell]

Oh.

[Bell]

Well okay. Are you sure you actually have a firm enough grasp on the game to do that rn? Or is this more of a control thing?

[Bell]

I need to settle down.

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Well, to put it as simply as possible and I don’t think shelly know’s this, I don’t react well to being pushed.
My style is one that tries to be obvious town as town (and yes also scum). To avoid the thermonuclear meltdowns that occur when i’m pushed. I’m personally in a poor place mentally right now so it’s even worse.

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She didn’t really react with me either tho.
Eventually she got around to it.
But she never did say hi.

Why not just wait until you come upon the scroll naturally?

[Bell]

Then again I guess given the play style
Trying to counter wagon her partners if she is scum would be a nightmare.
I’ve never played with scum lld tho.

[Bell]

No. Don’t ask a depressed person to Mega post.
And I just gushed out content like a firehose. It’s not all in one place but my mindset is in there. You can do it. I believe in you if you’re town.
But I think you’ll skip if you’re scum and just say it didn’t work out.

[Bell]

Hey you ignored me when I said hi. So maybe if you’re Scum she’s onto something

Though you’re playing pretty close to what I saw last time so i don’t see it.

[Bell]

AVENGER

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Wasn’t secret post game and they posted after me and acknowledged cephrir’s existence who also posted after.
On the other hand, brain worms, what can you do.

[Bell]

WELL YOU SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST SAID HI BACK. YOU’RE SCUM REGARDLESS OF YOUTR ROLE PM. WHAT KIND OF CANADIAN EVEN ARE YOU!?

[Bell]

Hi.
It’s 1 am. And I really need to sleep because when i’m Depressed I have a lot of trouble sleeping.
It sucks.
I look forward to tossing and turning for 4 or 5 hours tonight.

...sigh.

[Bell]

Bell, the problem is that most of the content of yours I see is stuff that seems more or less weak-meta and talking about the value or lack of value of leashing the votes. The few posts that give me a window into how you yourself think and react, your internal narrative, they're things about /you/, and not about the /game/.

Go ahead and scumread me for that. Don't really care: I can't see it. I do not play the same as a normal player, what I look for is not stuff normal people look for, because I am fundamentally incapable of spotting normal tells. So I can't parse your ISO in an AI way. And I /did/ just try.

I'm content to give you space for now because I am more concerned about a different player, but there''s really no getting around sorting you eventually, and it sucks that I don't have a /non-shitty/ way to do that. If you get any ideas, let me know, because I do want to make sure I'm not giving you a bunch of shit at a vulnerable time, but there /is/ a game and if it comes down to me with the final scroll passing and you're in the mix of possibles, I'll /need/ to know how to read you. That's not a demand for ideas, just a... you know, if inspiration strikes.

Thanks wall person. I’m fairly easy to sort. But i’m not sure how true that will be this game. Do your best.

Good night all.

[Bell]

2 hours sleep! Woo.

Lld.
Fidget
murdercat.

Mmm. After that things get fizzier. I feel like this game is a race to find townmore than a race to find scum tbh.

[Bell]

I guess isis and pooky are tied ~lavender fields.

The putting isis in a hook for scum claiming is well, extremely low hanging fruit and not especially logical either way. There’s a wifom element to it.

[Bell]

*stares at lapsa’s 3 posts*
Looks at phone ringing.
Hello, hello?
*yes this is bell, just wanted to let you know*
* I called it

[Bell]

"I should be TRing Bell"
"proceeds to SR Bell"

inconsistency = bad

Are you for real with this and the flailing thing. I feel like you can’t be given the number of games you’ve played just from sheer blocks being knocked over after building them up.

Zdenek: I genuinely don’t know what you want me to say from that post. It just looks like you’re fence sitting.

[Bell]

I feel like this is how Mena must feel whenever he has to deal with this kind of thing.

[Bell]

Finding scum is a lot more important than finding town if all your townreads are going to get shot by the ~1.5 hero vigs per democratic elimination

Mechanically yes, but socially I don’t really think so.
There’s a lot of power struggling going on.

[Bell]

I wish beetle juice tell worked.
*sips soda*

How you doin Owen?

[Bell]

I don't get what you're trying to say at all Bell, im serious tho

How can you have played as many mafia games as you have and think inconsistency is a reliable and accurate methodology that works at finding scum?

@ unowen, not great. What’s your name a reference to?

[Bell]

It should at least be, I don’t know, more nuanced than a blanket statement especially at your level of experience.

[Bell]

im not an alt btw so no idea why you think I have boatloads of experience playing

Didn’t you say you played a bunch of games offsite?
I don’t think you’re an alt.
Also, it’s not like I haven’t heard the alt accusation a ton myself.

[Bell]

The level of confidence you’re showing doesn’t add up with the results you should be getting.
You should be wrong more than you are right due to the surface nature of how our brains think about mafia.
We tend to think the odds of us being right on a read is significantly higher than random chance. But when we’re new this usually quickly shows itself to be a flaw which results in some sort of re-evaluation of how you’re reading and interpreting people socially. Even if you’re right more than random to you it should feel like you’re wrong more than 50% of the time.

[Bell]

This is because even if you’re really good at this game if you’re right 50% of the time you’re playing insanely well.
The point being is that our own brains suck at math and this humbles us because we’re incredibly arrogant.

@shellyc, oh, I feel like we’ve had this conversation before.

[Bell]

Probably?

[Bell]

Unknown. Oh. Neat Owen.

I dunno, you’ve seen the follies of people enough and you’ve been scum enough to know how often we are to be wrong.
Though there’s a lot of players that are like that and keep on truckin’
So meh.

The charisma thing I feel plays more into early day phases and irl mafia than online mafia. But off topic

[Bell]

Okay. I guess just from recent experience if you’re town the scum team must be enjoying your reads rn.

[Bell]

Okay. I guess just from recent experience if you’re town the scum team must be enjoying your reads rn.

I don't have terrible reads

I think my read accuracy > ability to obvtown any day as town

There’s a lot that factors into that .
Most of us are content with being accurate but unable to convince others that’s the case.
Though I feel like if you can’t show your work you’re probably not going to be that accurate in the first place and just having a reputation for being accurate gives you a lot of pull.

@shelyc, didn’t I ask about that. And didn’t you start the game out by joke scum claiming that you had a day vig, which in this game only scum have? Well, I think it was an rtc
But because mountainous.
Hmm.

I really son’t Think this is town sided in terms of set up since essentially we have no way to mechanically clear any player.
It’s pure scum hunting with the caveat that scum can’t shoot their partners.

[Bell]

The odds of hitting scum on the last shot aren’t terrible but not great either.

[Bell]

I reread some of Bell's posts, I guess I kind of see it, I think they're a lot less concerning with green!Nora though

I’d rather take the heat and have scum Noraa scrolled than have no heat and a town Noraa scrolled.

[Bell]

There’s a lot of occam’s razor issues and experience issues going around this.
I guess isis is more familiar with my not being a fan with being associated with unflipped potential scum but you’re not totally unaware of that either.

[Bell]

LLD
MUSH
shellyc
Pooky
Hopkirk
Isis

insightful

why is mush that high though

Reeee why is this insightful.

[Bell]

They have some subtle grammatical peculiarities. NAI to me tho.

[Bell]

They didn’t give a reason at the time of that post tho and no logic was provided.

Hopkirk I just have trouble reading through the rhymes because i’m not enjoying him like I usually would due to anhedonia.

[Bell]

Zdenek: I genuinely don’t know what you want me to say from that post. It just looks like you’re fence sitting.

Not fencesitting. I think you're failing to make me think your town since there are red letters in your roll pm.

You’re

[Bell]

Are you complaining.

[Bell]

Please don’t scum claim unless you’re me, because I can’t wifom myself.

[Bell]

I think i’m just supposed to pretend that makes sense. @#771

[Bell]

VOTE: Bell I maybe shouldn't vanity wagon in a 20p lol

Am I ever going to vote you first isis.
Or is this always going to be a you vote me I vote you thing.

[Bell]

eh the thing I dislike about wagoning Bell is that his slot looks so different is Noraa is green and we don't find that out until after this set

Yeah, i’m not particularly sure why you’re trying to derail the noraa wagon.
Maybe you should talk to Noraa about her reads and negotiate instead of trying to save LLD if noraa’s Scum here. 1 for 1 scum is a badge of honor.

[Bell]

The post reads like he didn't internalize how townish . . .

That is not what I meant. There was enough content from Bell that felt I should be able to start getting a picture of his mindset, something that I could relate to, but I got nothing.

That’s pretty funny rider.

[Bell]

Yeah, i’m not particularly sure why you’re trying to derail the noraa wagon.

there are enough votes on noraa already, and if someone accidentally hammers we just lose today

If i’m not the wagon why are you voting me at all.
This is why i’m so nonplussed.

[Bell]

People need to unvote noraa so she can be flip3

Oh.

[Bell]

People need to unvote noraa so she can be flip3

This is a very isisy mind set.

[Bell]

We have not.

[Bell]

Question though.
How often do scum defend their partners. By saying and I quote “i’m Glad i’m Not partners with this person”
I feel like people have been just changing their positions if Noraa is town then Bell looks better.
If Noraa is town then Bell was just scum that knew she was town.
If Noraa is scum he was discrediting the wagon by hard defending their partner.
If Noraa is scum he was saying how scummy she looked.
If Noraa is scumma and bell is scum then bell was distancing because he called Noraa scummy but didn’t vote them.

[Bell]

Even i’m confused at all the ways you guys are trying to have your slice of cake. It’s more like a slurry at this point.

[Bell]

murder is your scumdar broken or something

Irony if town

[Bell]

shelly, have we ever been town together.

[Bell]

flea's tone reads weirdly agreeable to me for some reasons which isn't strictly AI

Not sure if self narration or soc. Don’t ask. This is for later.

[Bell]

You guys

[Bell]

*sigh* it’s going to take me 2 hours to read whenever I find the energy to start.
Never mind interpret it.

Good afternoon. Mushagana looks better to me now.

[Bell]

Play. Got time, will read.
Won’t make huge catch up post. Doesn’t help.

[Bell]

Thought about the game some.
Scum can be stupid sometimes, but I think the general idea is to keep your head down and never make more enemies than you have friends and if you must make enemies make sure you aren't enemy #1.
Who's playing like that RN?

[Bell]

Q. Is there some reason nobody has pointed a finger at lapsa since the game started. Or did I miss it.

[Bell]

Consider me town reading Noraa at this point.
Sorry.

[Bell]

The omgus just looks pretty genuine to me.
You can see it in how she tries to calm down and then completely fails too.

[Bell]

Fidget can be, he seems a little insightful, in a way that I'm not sure isn't merely because he has it easy because he knows who's town this game. I don't think he's fence sitty. Kind of the opposite. He seems too sure of himself.

Theta: Lean scummish.

I've never seen Shelly's town game but she isn't deviating significantly from her scum formula.

Hopkirk is meh.

Toog is meh. Lack of empathy is minor scum tell.

#950: Cheese tax.
I think we do better the longer LLD is alive.

Did we ever get clarity on why Isis replaced out?

More I read of Noraa the better she looks. The ball of rage in her heart is true.

[Bell]

Aight.

[Bell]

She could fake it I guess.
But you don't have my support.
I guess I'm scum buddies with her afterall.

[Bell]

Anything else pookster?

[Bell]

I can't even pretend to understand that mindset.
There's a rage line that Noraa is going back and forth on. Noraa seems to have confidence that the more she posts the more obvious it will be that she's town.
I see no reason to deny her that given the lurk scum probably in this game.

The only thing that significantly bothers me is her wording dancing around denial of being scum.

[Bell]

Yeah, but I'd have serious difficulty directing that rage at a player in the game just hunting about. But I already said I found the Noraa line of defense odd.
I just don't find the rest of her approach odd enough to make up for the fact that there's more in her ISO that looks right than wrong.

[Bell]

She doesn't need a justification when she's dead.

[Bell]

That's the beauty of it.
Weren't you saying earlier how weird it was that Noraa was resisting being NK when there's a sweet, sweet temptation to give somebody what is coming to them?
Instead she just kind of like," not only am I going to get miseliminated I'm also going to get embarrassed when I blow it. "

[Bell]

Damning stuff.

[Bell]

I for one have never thought an anti-town thought in my life.

Eh, not good enough of a reason to spend that much effort on justifying yourself. Town's not particularly good at identifying scum even with that extra tidbit of infornation.

[Bell]

No and I think she's town and there are better people to hand the scroll to.

[Bell]

If we have to do 30 extra pages of arguments. I'm up for it strangely enough.

[Bell]

Flailing isn't a scum tell. Over defensiveness isn't a scum tell. OMGUS isn't a scum tell etc.
You thinking it is, is just amateur hour. Noraa might be scum but if she is she's scum for how she defended herself, not because of it.

[Bell]

Show me the fake solving.

[Bell]

Has thee been any fake solving since that point or is it just the one post?

Which parts of it looked like fake solving?

[Bell]

You saw the big readslist, but did you read the big reads list.

What's the difference between a big reason and a tiny reason?

[Bell]

I think it's a good reason to pretend to :3
Also, statistically they're more likely to be scum than random.

[Bell]

It's probably one of the only valid reasons. Because empiricism simply works. Unlike a lot of other methods.

[Bell]

Ad hom.

[Bell]

I was just gunna throw the scroll at pooky and throw my computer out the window before LLD could kill me.

[Bell]

Why do you think Pooky is town?

[Bell]

@Pooky, what do you think about hoppityhopkirk?

[Bell]

Mush looks like town, I think fidget looks like town, hot take is that taylor seems like town

ok these are good reads

I can see town murder

And I thought I was late to that particular party.

Yo Bell, why are you voting shelly?

(Also I missed that you actually followed up on the reference yesterday, yes it is a pretty cool pun)

Behavioralism. She's scum reading whoever gives her a hard time and town reads whoever doesn't. Also, I voted her way before she voted me so I can't be omgusing her, when she's omgusing me, but she keeps forgetting that.

[Bell]

Perhaps better said she's doling out punishments and rewards based on how they're reading her, rather than for any particularly good reason.

[Bell]

And I thought I was late to that particular party.

But like, why is this the game I literally get free town reads from post 2? The game where getting miselimed is fun and I didn't want to have to make hard decisions late in the game

For me it's largely pattern recognition and the positions you're choosing to take. On the other hand, maybe you're just really good at dropping town tells as scum. But if so, good job!

[Bell]

I'm a pseudo alt.
I used to go by Remembrance and an alt named Knell.
I took a hiatus during college/cancer diagnosis.
Graduated, looking for job, pandemic, forgot password don't feel like or care about retrieving it.
Here I am. New main.

[Bell]

I don't, I played around 2012-2013.

[Bell]

The difference between scum reading you as town and town reading you as town?

[Bell]

Shelly/Denek/Mush/LLD/Pooky/Taylor fairly obvtown as of p27.

talk to me about denek and pooky?

2nd and Shelly I suppose.

[Bell]

Gotcha. "Widely townread" is not a position I often find myself in, but when I do I'm never quite sure what the difference is.

The difference between scum reading you as town and town reading you as town?

Probably

Probably?

[Bell]

@Hopkirk counter question to town cred question. Why are you trying to look town right now if you don't care about town cred by dropping the act?

[Bell]

@Hopkirk counter question to town cred question. Why are you trying to look town right now if you don't care about town cred by dropping the act?

Did he mention that he is trying to look town now?

Do you think he isn't?

[Bell]

I do believe Taylor is no longer a hot take town read.
But just a regular town read.

[Bell]

Behavioralism. She's scum reading whoever gives her a hard time and town reads whoever doesn't. Also, I voted her way before she voted me so I can't be omgusing her, when she's omgusing me, but she keeps forgetting that.

Who would be your next vote?

I'm not sure. There's kind of like, 4-6 people I want to vote RN.
Lapsa, The guy that just replaced out. Hopkirk. Zdenek. pooky.
Maginally Theta

Pedit: I knew you'd say something like that.

[Bell]

Why do you think taylor is scum.

[Bell]

I don't agree that I was throwing shade at him. I was genuinely curious. I know that hopkirk generally knows what towncred is and how to get it and his switch in posting style is designed to get it.

....@Pooky confession: I don't think I can read taylor. But she seems to be try harding which is new and exciting to me.

[Bell]

Back later.

@Pooky: I'll think about it. Though, her questions seem rather focused(?) for scum.

[Bell]

No, to me it seemed like a contradiction. I had a thought (he is lying), but like a good truth finder I decided to directly ask him rather than just go for one explanation out of many.
His explanation was 1) unexpected and 2) Makes sense. So I'm glad I asked.
@Hopkirk, why aren't you a fan? Besides zdenek and you? tho, your read on zdenek makes no sense to me.

[Bell]

bam

[Bell]

Okay. I'm going away for awhile now.
Thought I was going to steal a page top.

[Bell]

Can confirm.

[Bell]

Pooky got your back (with a knife)

[Bell]

I do believe pookybear is grumpybear.
What's with all the grumpy bears.

[Bell]

Can't you just lurk instead of thinking you have people pegged when you have like 1 or 2 games of experience with Taylor (which is about what I have), and Noraa who basically admitted they were scum by I guess thread avoiding so I retract my previous statement that they were town. But agree that maybe 3rd scroll be good.

[Bell]

Oh yeah she's V/LA
Well, I'm dumb.

[Bell]

You're prolly not talking to me, but if you were.
I think based on what I've said this game if there's one thing I'm not, it's confident.

[Bell]

Shelly, that is a very vague reason and you just gave me a speech about lazy reads.

[Bell]

Anyways im off to bed. Please read when you have time. If you disagree, say it nicely cuz I spent time on this and I went on a hiatus out of frustration towards my games. I just died in 3 and am death tunneled here. Shows exactly why I've been .. to put it nicely, fucking pissed and salty at everything.

I played badly, but give me another chance and I won't disappoint.

Okay! Thanks Town Noraa.

[Bell]

Yeah, WIM means you want to win. Which as either town or scum is a compliment!

[Bell]

I never see posts like the one fidget just made come from town. Ever.
Why do I have so many scum reads this game.

[Bell]

Shellyc, still scumz. Whoop whoop whoop whoop.

Good night.

[Bell]

Been reading, the most important thing I need to correct is that FF is not a sidekick. She is a titan.
Of trajectory.

[Bell]

As for fidget, I’m not building a case as to why those sorts of large posts are scum motivated or how shelly’s reaction is exactly the sort of thing that those posts are designed to incite feelings in. It’s not strong though! And he insisted that this is the first time I’ve met a town player that makes a post like that and I don’t feel super inclined to disbelieve them.

[Bell]

Sorry, why is uno scum?

[Bell]

Also, my SR read of ShellyC is quite serious.

[Bell]

Pooky if you’ve only finished one game with Taylor, why are you the Taylor expert.
I feel like I’m on foxnews.

[Bell]

Sorry, why is uno scum?

[Bell]

i'd swap fidget -> zdenek in your solve but the rest of this seems quite solid

p-edit: why re you so confident in lld's ability to find scum

Supportive scum Shellyc tactic #2.

[Bell]

New playbook plz. @shelly, I’ve read this book already.

[Bell]

Nope, it’s that you’re agreeing with him ina way that scum you does, where town you probably doesn’t,

[Bell]

Sorry, Shelly.
I guess I can read you now.
Maybe.
Guess we’ll find out,

[Bell]

Nope, it’s that you’re agreeing with him ina way that scum you does, where town you probably doesn’t,

you haven't even played with town me, lol

Oh okay then.

VOTE: ShelleyC

[Bell]

@hopkirk: just did.

[Bell]

If you don’t specifically ask me to sheep you, I probably won’t sheep you,

[Bell]

Yeah, you’ll need to explain the nuance in how it’s not fair that I’m not applying ShellyC only reads To people not named shellyC.

[Bell]

Maybe after the game and if you flip red I’ll share.