Death Curse

[Tayl0r Swift]

FIRST

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift


also in the event that we hit scum first, we should still do our darndest to hit scum on the second shot. i think its a bad play to hit town on purpose.

[Tayl0r Swift]

5 Mafia

15 Town

its a sekrit in this open setup what the setup is. please dont tell anyone i told you

[Tayl0r Swift]

hey does anyone know if theres scum in this game? im not in the scum PT so im not sure.

[Tayl0r Swift]

im not gonna vote noraa for that. noraas alignment should become clear with time.

[Tayl0r Swift]

oh and do scum have daytalk?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I’m not sure if we should just dogpile on Noraa now or just have a gentle beings agreement to give them the scroll later. Though I think the latter could be a problem in getting situated with good reads and atmosphere.
So in retrospect pretend I didn’t say that.

yet you still hit submit. interesting.

[Tayl0r Swift]

*throws a scroll at Taylor and Pookie*

can we keep jokes like this to the scum PT please?

[Tayl0r Swift]

*throws a scroll at Taylor and Pookie*

can we keep jokes like this to the scum PT please?

No. Your reads are bad and you should feel bad.

which of my reads? im pretty sure ive only stated one read.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i cant read me either. its because my posts are too long and i get bored i think.

[Tayl0r Swift]

noraa whats the purpose of bringing up my meta? no one seems to be scumreading me atm, so why go out of your way to defend me?

[Tayl0r Swift]

im super duper concerned at the number of people who have decided to push noraa as scum this early, and dont trust them either.

[Tayl0r Swift]

inb4 planned bus

[Tayl0r Swift]

im super duper concerned at the number of people who have decided to push noraa as scum this early, and dont trust them either.

Do you consider Noraa's responses to these questions and pressure to be town?

Ignore your paranoia for a moment. There's just no way that everyone on this push is scum, realistically, so assume at least some of us are town, and observe Noraa from that perspective.

Do you think Noraa is responding as a townie would? If so, why?

im gonna say that this push is counterproductive to sorting noraa, who will be defensive and respond very similarly as both alignments. and people are wayyy too confident in pushing noraa. it feels like scum are orchestrating, but it also kinda feels like scum are orchestrating a planned bus.

[Tayl0r Swift]

you might be right, but i think generally noraa being the leading wagon makes it harder to sort noraa.

[Tayl0r Swift]

yeah im pretty sure ive seen town noraa react exactly this way. i dont townread noraa, but i dont think this is helpful in sorting noraa and i think itll be reasonably easy to sort noraa later.

[Tayl0r Swift]

yeah im pretty sure ive seen town noraa react exactly this way. i dont townread noraa, but i dont think this is helpful in sorting noraa and i think itll be reasonably easy to sort noraa later.

I have a limited lifespan in this game. There's no way scum let me live very long. If scum gets cursed, they are gonna curse or vig me or something.

So let's assume I don't trust town to deal with Noraa and want to kill and parse them now. I do not believe Noraa is sufficiently impossible to read from this pressure.

dont like this post at all

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think itll be reasonably easy to sort noraa later.

I am curious what you will look for later that you aren't seeing now in these posts. Are you talking like associations and stuff? Because honestly, there are going to be way harder slots to sort with the plist.

ok lets sort those slots and loop back to noraa later on in the day. people are wayyyy too confident for page 10. this is not a good push.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Okay, time to bury you. Here is where you made your mistake, calling this "discrediting". (Another buzzword, btw.)

One second.

you keep insisting all this stuff is scum indicative. for noraa its just noraa indicative. calm down

[Tayl0r Swift]

the slots murdercat thinks will be harder to sort.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Okay, time to bury you. Here is where you made your mistake, calling this "discrediting". (Another buzzword, btw.)

One second.

you keep insisting all this stuff is scum indicative. for noraa its just noraa indicative. calm down

Why are you defending Noraa?

I'll ask you again. You were really null on her, and thought she might even be scum.

Do you think Noraa's behaviour is town? Your "this is how Noraa plays" stuff just won't fly.

I want a commitment.

ill give you a commitment. in 40 pages when we are pushing someone else. this is not how you sort noraa, and im not gonna be forced to give a read on someone when all the stuff youre forcing her to say is NAI.

[Tayl0r Swift]

So, here we go.

Evidence of Noraa's hemming and hawing on me.

Calling me Null but constantly looking for a way to scumread me that can be deemed as valid, because she's afraid to fabricate a reason and have it be torn down, in my opinion.

But even if you think that assessment of her behaviour is wrong, her behaviour is clear as day.

Here is the evidence.

this stuff is NOT AI for noraa.

[Tayl0r Swift]

theres a very small amount of evidence that noraa could be scum. but there are a few other things ive seen from noraa that could be town-indicative.

lld i dont like how youre trying to paint me as scum here. if im scum, regardless of noraa's alignment, its an awful play for me to be so blatant in defending her. i get wayyy more scrutiny than WK points, and if she flips scum i probably die too.

[Tayl0r Swift]

its a trolling semi-defense of Noraa

actually it was more of an attack "look at me i must be town cuz i townslipped"

also i never joke. joking is for scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

the way noraa is responding to pressure is increasingly the way shed do it as scum, but its not unlike her town meta.

[Tayl0r Swift]

nah i think its a bad wagon, but this whole time ive been saying theres probably a better than random chance noraa flips scum, just not enough of a chance that she deserved the pressure shes under. its whatever, but its kinda dumb.

[Tayl0r Swift]

mush being obvtown is new for me. this game brings many new experiences.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Am I townlock yet

this is very underwhelming tbh

do you expect isis to be cuter?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I want to vote someone other than Noraa who is scummy no matter what Noraa flips

For now I think VOTE: MUSHGANA

Hopkirk is kinda scummy but also delightful

ping!

[Tayl0r Swift]

Taylor is probably town

yeah but im sensitive about it, please dont rub it in

[Tayl0r Swift]

PookyTheMagicalBear
MURDERCAT
MUSHSHAGANA
Lady Lambdadelta
Fidget

This is my current "townbloc". These are the people I think are really towny.

That's a 4th of the game already. I don't think it's that hard to find good townreads in this game.

im on board with all of that except maybe murdercat. but im not sure if im skeptical of murdercat or im getting games mixed up.

[Tayl0r Swift]

PookyTheMagicalBear
MURDERCAT
MUSHSHAGANA
Lady Lambdadelta
Fidget

This is my current "townbloc". These are the people I think are really towny.

That's a 4th of the game already. I don't think it's that hard to find good townreads in this game.

im on board with all of that except maybe murdercat. but im not sure if im skeptical of murdercat or im getting games mixed up.

I feel real good about MC this game, but all of this list should be available for re-evaluation later in the game. But this is my current impression.

oh wait im also not sure why pooky is locktown. but i think mush fidget and lld are probtown here. i think im willing to locktown fidget.

[Tayl0r Swift]

isnt pooky canadian tho?

[Tayl0r Swift]

isnt pooky canadian tho?

yeah that's the joke we both are canadian.

I'm a newfie and IDK about Pooky but, lol

that makes you part sheep right?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Pooky please vote me I have a scum PT with four other players, Nero Cain, and Hectic

hmm im not sure how numbers works, but that looks like your PT only has 3 other players.

[Tayl0r Swift]

You've been multitabling since July shelly.

i think im the champion multitabler atm

[Tayl0r Swift]

Please don’t scum claim unless you’re me, because I can’t wifom myself.

sounds like you need to step up your wifom game

[Tayl0r Swift]

owen what are your reads atm?

[Tayl0r Swift]

and yeah you always vote the most likely scumperson. you kill scum when you can. you dont kill scum when you want to.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i only have a 25% chance to be town, statistically speaking

[Tayl0r Swift]

like i dunno why you're so upset about being voted.

think of it as us voting you to be Queen.

excuse me, no. im the queen. there will be no elections.

[Tayl0r Swift]

like i dunno why you're so upset about being voted.

think of it as us voting you to be Queen.

excuse me, no. im the queen. there will be no elections.

How do you feel about Hopkirk, Taylor

could be scum. not sure. i dont read poems.

[Tayl0r Swift]

so. the current gamestate is a disaster. LLD, you need to shut up and take a step back. your town leadership is frankly awful and we are about to wind up with three dead townies and nothing to show for it.

[Tayl0r Swift]

so. the current gamestate is a disaster. LLD, you need to shut up and take a step back. your town leadership is frankly awful and we are about to wind up with three dead townies and nothing to show for it.

[Tayl0r Swift]

no. im not gonna look at hopkirk right now. im not going to do anything you ask. we need to slow right the fuck down and take a look at the gamestate.

[Tayl0r Swift]

there was a huge noraa wagon that appeared out of nowhere and became very large. no counterwagons developed. no one defended noraa, except a couple people who know noraa well on weak meta grounds. but like, no one really stood up for noraa. where were scum trying to sow division and chaos? where were they trying to start counterwagons? scum LOVED the game the way it was, because it was a huge 1v1. and VCA and wagonomics are impossible because lld is bullying everyone and being town leader. all other voices are drowned out, and so the scum can just float on by without doing anything.

[Tayl0r Swift]

so. the current gamestate is a disaster. LLD, you need to shut up and take a step back. your town leadership is frankly awful and we are about to wind up with three dead townies and nothing to show for it.

Why do you think this Tayl0r? Odds of that are kind of low even with random picks

because we arent picking randomly. we are letting ourselves be led around by the nose.

[Tayl0r Swift]

so why are you upset about the Hopkirk wagon again?

purely because youre leading it and you need to sit down and shut up and let the game develop organically. 9 times out of 10 when a big ego comes in and takes over the town it ends badly for town, regardless of whether they are town or scum, because scum can nudge the plan away from themselves and skirt by without having to expose themselves at all. what we need is a bloc of townies working together. what we have is a dictator deciding everything.

[Tayl0r Swift]

noraa is probably town. lld, you need to be shot so we can actually play mafia. im fine with being given the scroll. but please make sure that if you kill me and noraa that you do it on the same day so that one of us can shoot lld. whether shes town is kinda irrelevant, because her presence in the thread is currently a disaster for town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

so why are you upset about the Hopkirk wagon again?

purely because youre leading it and you need to sit down and shut up and let the game develop organically. 9 times out of 10 when a big ego comes in and takes over the town it ends badly for town, regardless of whether they are town or scum, because scum can nudge the plan away from themselves and skirt by without having to expose themselves at all. what we need is a bloc of townies working together. what we have is a dictator deciding everything.

We have a bloc of townies working together.

You're just not in it.

Look at me work and listen to Pooky and MurderCat and Mush and fidget.

Lmfao

yeah half of them townread me. you arent working. you arent solving. you are forming a wagon, and then making it very large by bullying people into voting for it, and then when its large you declare that it was a wagon on scum, mission accomplished.

[Tayl0r Swift]

:/
hang in there noraa

noraa is right. this game is dumb. everyone is letting lld play dictator and determine everything. thats not good. the people shes "working with" are just egging her on. this is not how town wins games.

[Tayl0r Swift]

when taylor gets a scum pm she likes to look for speeding trains and jump in front of them

So why does Taylor do this now, though?

Like I know Noraa is more or less outed scum right but

Why was Taylor basically lurking the thread and letting the Noraa death happen only to suddenly show up when we switch to hopkirk and go off like this?

Prima facie reason is Hopkirk and Taylor are both scum right?

and losing Noraa was acceptable, but losing Hopkirk was less so.

fucking stop to think for a second. your logic is so fucking bad here. why would i let one scumbuddy die? and if i were gonna let one die, why not let two die? and speaking up like this never does anything except get me killed as well. i NEVER make this play as scum. never ever. its unbelievably stupid. but because i oppose you, im scum. your logic is on exactly the same level as noraa's right now, but youre calling her scum for it.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I'm generating reads for the town

THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS. everyone should make their own reads. you fucking forcing shit down everyones throat means that if youre wrong we lose, and since no one can question you, youre gonna be wrong. you are picking people at fucking random and declaring them to be scum. or people who stand up to you.

[Tayl0r Swift]

If you think I'm SO WRONG tell me who is scum then.

its impossible to do much scumhunting while the thread is almost exclusively you dictating what everyone should think.

give me the scroll please. please please. let me kill lld. if we dont kill her now town loses 90%.

[Tayl0r Swift]

lld seriously you need to stop posting. this isnt scumhunting. this isnt team play. this isnt productive. this is you on a big fucking ego trip. and it needs to stop. because it isnt fun for anyone else. and youre wrong. and youve convinced yourself that you cant be wrong because youre town leader, and therefore you cant be questioned. so anyone who questions you must be scum, because you already figured everything out for us. except youre wrong. and youre disastrously wrong. and listening to you is going to be awful for town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I'm generating reads for the town

THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS. everyone should make their own reads. you fucking forcing shit down everyones throat means that if youre wrong we lose, and since no one can question you, youre gonna be wrong. you are picking people at fucking random and declaring them to be scum. or people who stand up to you.

It's not random. It's not just people who stand up to me.

And I've literally been swayed by other people this game.

and when I say I am generating reads, I am not "giving reads that people need to be okay with" I'm generating content that gets people to town read other townies.

Gosh this is amazing.

no you arent. because no one else is allowed to have opinions. so the only read people can get is "this person agreed/disagreed with lld"

[Tayl0r Swift]

well give me the scroll please so we can fucking shoot lld and end this disaster.

[Tayl0r Swift]

wait is the scum team conceding taylor? cuz right now i just see scum lining up to eat the scroll so they can stop the bleeding

this is low-grade trolling. a) you can do better. b) im really not in the mood.

[Tayl0r Swift]

fucking just give me the scroll then.

[Tayl0r Swift]

no you arent. because no one else is allowed to have opinions. so the only read people can get is "this person agreed/disagreed with lld"

wait how is LLD preventing you from having an opinion lol

because if you disagree with her she says youre confirmed scum. youre doing it too pooky.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I don't think Pooky is town.

i dont think so either. i think lld is town but really fucking misguided on a big fucking ego trip thats really shitty for everyone else. but i think pooky is scum for the way hes latched on and is egging lld on but not doing any solving.

[Tayl0r Swift]

no you arent. because no one else is allowed to have opinions. so the only read people can get is "this person agreed/disagreed with lld"

wait how is LLD preventing you from having an opinion lol

Yeah this is what I don't get.

People are complaining they don't have control of the town because people are listening to me.

Then convince others that your ideas are right then. It's a game of argument. Argue! Make points!
LMFAO

i started by making a point about the gamestate. rather than engage me you fucking started shouting me down and saying i was scumclaiming. you want to degrade this to a shitfight? fine. but youre an awful person for playing like this.

[Tayl0r Swift]

but you'd still rather hit LLD with the scroll instead of Pooky-Scum? yea ok taylor good story

i want to hit both of you. but i only get one shot, and lld is a disaster for town, while you just arent a member of town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i want to hit both of you. but i only get one shot, and lld is a disaster for town, while you just arent a member of town.

this sentence makes no sense.

"I believe LLD is town and Pooky is scum but give me the scroll and I'll take out LLD" yea good joke

anti-town is a thing. you are twisting my words. go away. LLD is actively hurting town more than you. therefore LLD needs to die.

[Tayl0r Swift]

like i dunno why you're so upset about being voted.

think of it as us voting you to be Queen.

excuse me, no. im the queen. there will be no elections.

How do you feel about Hopkirk, Taylor

could be scum

. not sure. i dont read poems.

so. the current gamestate is a disaster. LLD, you need to shut up and take a step back. your town leadership is frankly awful and we are about to wind up with

three dead townies

and nothing to show for it.

youre assuming hopkirk dies today now. which proves that youre assuming we just follow your plan and that you arent trying to sort hopkirk with this wagon but just push someone.


im gonna take a break from this thread. im not gonna engage lld any more, because im getting very legitimately angry and nothing good is going to come of this. lld has proven that she has no interest in engaging with me as an honest broker. she just wants to paint me as scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Starting this post before I finish catching up to say /Tayl0r/ what is /up/ this LLD play is like exactly parallel to my town play and I didn't throw the game, I nailed scum Noraa dead on the money! This isn't anti town play from LLD, this is play with subtlety AND a plan (which I DID NOT HAVE in our game). Step back, reframe the gamestate /yourself/ Tayl0r. I know you defend no-hopers, but this is the bad move for you and for town. Buddy c'mon.

(And as for generating reads, Tayl0r -- are you paying attention to how people react to this LLD dynamic, or are you ONLY looking at LLD? If you're only looking at LLD, you're gonna get nothing. Watch the other players too! There's material coming out of LLD's play!)

As for the rest of you -- this is highly Tayl0r-town play. Also, I'm going to just say Pooky's scum, keeps doing this nudging-people-onto-town-wagons thing without actually seeming to push hard. Also deflected from an Isis-scum world too easily and tried to make it seem natural. I like an Isis+Pooky+others (idk yet give me some time) team.

Now!

Coming back to Hopkirk: Hopkirk is entertaining but the play is garbage. Nothing meaningful coming out of it, obfuscatory posting style, half-focused on irrelevant OOG bullshit. I would not be sad to see this slot go down. I'm all for a Hopkirk wagon. I think Noraa on third is a bad idea, but Noraa is doomed ANYWAY and I am willing to risk that on Hopkirk being scum.

I also agree that Zdenek has all the town-posting of a goblin giggling about stealing toys from children. I would love to see Hopkirk and Zdenek go down today.

you dont have any scum meta on me. you only have one towngame of meta on me. dont townbin me for meta reasons please.
this isnt exactly like that newbie because no one listened to you then. but you were just as disruptive and that game was almost a disaster for town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

people who are town:
mush
the isis slot
fidget
shelly?
bell?
lld
noraa?
murdercat?
(me)

people who are scum:
pookyx10000
unowen
hectic

unsure of:
adorable
theta
toogeloo
flea
hopkirk
zdenek
lapsa
vaultdweller
gloria
nero

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: pooky

[Tayl0r Swift]

im 95% confident in saying that pooky is scum and isis is town here.

[Tayl0r Swift]

dont worry it was too long so i didnt read it anyway

[Tayl0r Swift]

pooky is a strange one to read. i think the best, perhaps the only way to read pooky is by ignoring most of the words pooky says, and instead look at what pooky is trying to say, and gaze into pooky's soul. in this case my read isnt so much based on specific posts pooky made, but the way pooky has oriented himself in the thread.

1. pooky is canadian. canadians are scum
2. pooky is being more aggressive than town!pooky ever is
3. there are some interactions i would expect from town!pooky that im not seeing
4. pooky is not scumhunting, but is being manipulative, and has attached himself to the hip of the self proclaimed town leader (and fellow canadian, see point 1 above).

[Tayl0r Swift]

1. I'm not canadian
2. LLD brings out the aggressive side of me because she remembers what I was like b4 I quit
3. Lol what r u even talking about.
4. Am i being aggressive or am I not scum hunting? pick one you can't have both. Considering how the first person I attacked got wagoned to 9 on d1 and basically admitted she is scum I'm pretty sure I'm doing ok on the scum-hunting front.

1. thats not for you to say
2. hmmmm, that or youre just scum
3. i dont remember, what did i say
4. youre aggressive and not scum hunting. youre very confidently declaring that people are scum claiming and that people are scum for sure, but i havent seen much in the way of trying to sort people

but you admit that this isnt your towngame then?

[Tayl0r Swift]

i am not Canadian

this is a pretty good defense tho ngl

[Tayl0r Swift]

Can I get some more insight on point 3? What sort of stuff should I be looking out for?

For my part, one point against Pooky being town is that Pooky is always "rhetorically" on the attack. Pooky is never explaining themselves or being approached by another player, and they deflect or ignore all of my criticism in a way that feels forced. I'm not sure how much of that is Pooky play and how much of that is this player list and how much of that is scum play, you're probably the only window into this for me.

pooky likes to soulread people. pooky isnt trying to soulread people.

[Tayl0r Swift]

well isis was here for you to soulread, and hectic still is. what do you make of those slots?

[Tayl0r Swift]

yeah but isis was here. you didnt seem to be soulreading her.

[Tayl0r Swift]

well i didnt read it because it wasnt there to read

[Tayl0r Swift]

thats why im asking for your reads on the isis slot

[Tayl0r Swift]

Spoiler:

I am concerned about Isis content

Am I townlock yet

this is very underwhelming tbh

Please townlock me

townlock'd

HAHAHA

VOTE: Isis
I want to vig

what! no that's not how it works

I claim scum

isis no

Pooky please vote me I have a scum PT with four other players, Nero Cain, and Hectic

this is hurtful towards me

It's not in the spirit of the rules to call into question whether you're playing to your win condition, but I think "vote: Isis, I want the vig, I claim scum" is pretty hard to misinterpret.

the more serious you are making this the more you hurt me

I want to kill someone I don't think will get voted this game and that matters more to me than whether my slot dies.

dying

Isis you crack me up

anyway i'm gonna go sleep

somebody keep an eye on Isis and don't let her steal that death-scroll thing. she's got sticky fingers.

i dont think scumIsis even thinks up this gambit much less tries it but I've never played with ScumIsis before so *shrug*

I think it's hard for scum Isis to come up with the paranoid fear that Scum LLD is going to annihilate this town completely and utterly to get to the motivation needed to fabricate this gambit.

Tho I could be wrong - Isis is like very creative :3

Pooky might be scum either way
But especially in that timeline

no you can't think I'm scum

The way you're playing with Noraa like toying with food seems scummy Poooooks

oh cmon i do this when im town too

I don't think Pooky is town.

don't be ridiculous I'd never invite you to a game I'm scum in

ok here are all the relevant mentions of isis in your iso, or interactions with isis. after reading them im not sure what your read on isis is. but the second to last one kinda reads like a scumslip to me:
"oh cmon i do this when im town too" - reads like you arent town now. but i hate scumslips as arguments, so meh.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Shelly/Denek/Mush/LLD/Pooky/Taylor fairly obvtown as of p27.

talk to me about denek and pooky?

[Tayl0r Swift]

murder/mush/Taylor/fidget/hopkirk

why are you confident in hopkirk?

[Tayl0r Swift]

vax entrance was rather consensus-y not sure if I like that + their pred was the null isis

Idk I feel like there are scum in the lurker zone given how much I TR much of the rather active players

now gunna reread pooky-taylor

nah the isis slot is town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

replying to hopkirk
i slightly lean scum on you
though i have several better targets

VOTE: adorable
i want to get a wagon on this

why do you lean scum on hopkirk? why are teh other targets better? why a vote on adorable?

[Tayl0r Swift]

hopkirk
almost the entirety of my scum lean on you is that you made a blank vote on a popular wagon
with slight influences from faking a post restriction and the way you agreed with another players reads without elaboration

and honestly the more i thought about the blank vote the less i wanted to kill you because it simply did not make sense for scum to behave that way if noraa is scum
but i am also operating under the assumption that noraa could be town in which case that would be a valid scum lean

so let me just say that i do not think you and noraa are scum together
my scum lean on you is conditional on noraa being town

are you comfortable up on that fence?

to me this post screams theta scum, noraa town, hopkirk town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

nah the isis slot is town.

based on what

you know what.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I do believe Taylor is no longer a hot take town read.
But just a regular town read.

NOOOOOO im very hot!

[Tayl0r Swift]

why do you think she's town?

isis would not have replaced out of this game had she been scum. i know its a bit unfair to use that argument, but its true.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I don't agree that I was throwing shade at him. I was genuinely curious. I know that hopkirk generally knows what towncred is and how to get it and his switch in posting style is designed to get it.

....@Pooky confession: I don't think I can read taylor. But she seems to be try harding which is new and exciting to me.

tryhard taylor = scum-taylor

town taylor is a lurker who posts shitty dog pictures

[Tayl0r Swift]

does anyone else feel like alpine's reads are pretty artificial?

for example he says "ever since this post i guess i scumread noraa"
a townie would say "ever since rereading i scumread noraa"

[Tayl0r Swift]

If we are not doing Noraa first then I would lean more on Unowen is scum which was mentioned earlier. And also I wanted to add on #101 what Theta said are my thoughts exactly. On #680 it looked like Isis also had the same thoughts as me and Theta which makes me think Isis is also probably town with Theta. On #708 Unowen said Isis is suspicious and I would have assumed town Unowen would have picked up on what Theta was saying on #101 and would have also assumed Isis also picked up on this too and would have leaned town on Isis. This makes me think scum did not know town were asked to confirm that scum had daytalk.

I also saw somewhere that doing this t>s>t is bad and I'm assuming town would have to pass the scroll to a town read if the first scroll is handed to a town player.

you never pass the scroll to a townie on purpose. the use of the second scrollholder should be to give the scroll to people who are hard to sort. that way you sort the slot and if its town you lose nothing. but its never bad to give the scroll to scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

wow i waited so long to do this

but being asked to confirm that scum have daytalk is in the sample town rolecard
so knowing that is not a town slip

as for vaxkiller
let me dig into my iso and grab where i explained it
actually let me just summarize it
we want scum in the third slot more than we want scum in the first slot so we save our highest scum read for that
t-s-t is arguably bad but at the first slot being town we have already missed the chance to kill two scum so it is not terrible
at least not bad enough to suggest killing a town player on purpose to get t-t-s instead

wait how do you know scum have daytalk? is that a scumslip?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Alright, I read the rules and the VCs.

My question is... why is the Noraa wagon so static without a counterwagon?

that was my question too! im learning, titus!

[Tayl0r Swift]

do you guys notice how t-swift shut her mouth about Pooky being scum the second I offered her the 1 for 1 trade?

where did all that 95% confidence go?

i'll tell, you she's full of it and just made that up. If T-Swift town actually had 95% conviction that Pooky = scum then she would take this 1:1 in a heartbeat.

or, more plausibly, i was simply doing stuff irl and wasnt posting at all. im happy to do the trade, but dont want noraa dead and i dont want you going second.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I'm waiting to see what Tayl0r has to say on the matter first. If she accepts, I'd take that to see you flip.

Otherwise, I'll keep doing what I'm doing: building up a map of the gamestate and planning targets to push.

im not giving pooky the second shot though.

[Tayl0r Swift]

you made plenty of posts after I offered the trade and me going 2nd is the only way the town consensus on Noraa gets enforced.

i think most people have noraa as maybe town now. she needs to be flipped, but not so much that we give you second shot. if i go first im shooting a lurker slot or a scum slot other than you.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I have to agree, Pooky is jumping to conclusions there. Unless I'm mistaken, Tayl0r wasn't ignoring him. She wasn't even in the thread at all.

my first mention of the T->P->N is : 1472

she made 6 posts after 1472 that did not address it, implies she was avoiding it. She made post 1468 so I doubt she "missed" my comment.

did the posts i made refer to posts after 1472? because i post as i catch up so i often respond to the thread without seeing recent posts.

[Tayl0r Swift]

you posted 1468 and i posted 1472 3 minutes later your next 6 posts avoid 1472 and you basically veer off me completely because you realize I am ready to trade my life for yours and that's not something you want despite scumreading me at 95%

stop fucking misreading me. take a second. read what i wrote. did any of my posts refer to posts that came after your post? because i probably hadnt read your post

[Tayl0r Swift]

fidget do you like, see the possibility of noraa town because i find it so hard

that noraa wall is pure omgus

I believe myself to be something of an expert on the Noraa reads wall now.

People pushing Noraa ->
Adorable(newbtown), Fidget(scum), Flea(town), Hopkirk(soft town / null), LLD(scum but admits to not thinking clear), Murder(scum), Pooky(null), Shelly(scum), UNOwen(null)

People defending Noraa ->
Mush (town), Tayl0r(town)

She trends towards viewing her attackers unfavorably and vice versa, yes. Interestingly enough, the reads I had the most trouble understanding (Adorable, Flea) were townreads she gave out to those on her wagon. I believe she is not thinking clearly on her LLD and Murder reads regardless of alignment.

To answer your question, I do still see the possibility. I'm maybe 65% on scum. I have a terrible track record reading you and Noraa, although I have found that generally Noraa being more uncertain is +town for her. I don't think she had the chance to exhibit that this game, too many emotional distractions.

as i said at the very beginning of this mess, a push on noraa makes noraa hard to read. we should have looked elsewhere and then suddenly noraa is easy to read. now we have either a) a planned bus and all the info we get from a scum flip will be engineered by scum or b) a town flip where scum had to put in 0 effort.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok i got busy irl and skipped some pages. pooky why is titus out of touch?

[Tayl0r Swift]

im reading along but my motherboard died today and have been pretty busy even before that so sorry if my activity levels are a bit low.

[Tayl0r Swift]

So you're ok with Titus calling me and Noraa both scum together. ok Good talk man

if noraa is scum then scum started bussing really really early for no reason. so if noraa is scum then you could absolutely be scum too.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Is this where you fake gambit by forgetting that you can”t vig scroll holders

I’ll explain why then fineeeee

Scum dayvig in lylo numbers to win

Yeah, you seem concerned with our win condition.

our win condition?

[Tayl0r Swift]

hello why are we ignoring bells perspective slip?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Is this where you fake gambit by forgetting that you can”t vig scroll holders

I’ll explain why then fineeeee

Scum dayvig in lylo numbers to win

Yeah, you seem concerned with our win condition.

our win condition?

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: bell

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: TaylorSwift

youre not even gonna address the scumslip you made and instead just gonna omgus me?

[Tayl0r Swift]

lol

Come on, you are both town, let's do panda

bell scumslipped

[Tayl0r Swift]

Can I get a quick read on Flea from anyone?

whats your read on flea?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I don't think Taylor would be scum reading me as town this game.
On the other hand, TaylorSwift,
Mysterious lady.

i was townreading you until you referred to scum's wincon as "our wincon"

[Tayl0r Swift]

time to update this:

people who are town:
mush
the isis slot
fidget
shelly?
bell
lld
noraa?
murdercat
(me)
adorable

people who are scum:
pookyx10000
unowen
hectic
nero
lapsa

unsure of:
theta
toogeloo
flea
hopkirk
zdenek
vaultdweller
gloria

[Tayl0r Swift]

whats scum about panda?

[Tayl0r Swift]

To this extent? I am not even confident in my limlo reads so I find it absolutely shocking.

you say that but you havent expressed self-doubt this game

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think my self-vote was RVS where someone else voted me in the first post of the game and i just copy pastad.

[Tayl0r Swift]

FIRST

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift


also in the event that we hit scum first, we should still do our darndest to hit scum on the second shot. i think its a bad play to hit town on purpose.

There's your first self vote... page 3.

yeah compare that to the actual first post of the game:

FIRST

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

[Tayl0r Swift]

Still Vax replaced Isis. ... if that's relevant.

it is because isis was town

[Tayl0r Swift]

Hey guys so I did a wee bit of pooky meta diving and according to the most recent finished games, scum!Pooky is full of fluff and extremely spammy whereas town!Pooky is only half full of fluff and actually ... rather quiet

might have more to do with who is in the game than what alignment I get :3

isis was in this game though. this doesnt remind me at all of matrix decipher.

[Tayl0r Swift]

in matrix decipher isis also said she couldnt wait to roll scum in a game where you were town. if you were both scum youd both be very excited. so based on your interactions isis must be town and you (almost) must be scum

[Tayl0r Swift]

These are the players I have been town reading.

MURDERCAT
LL
Hopkirk
Theta
Shelly
Taylor

who is LL? talk to me about hopkirk theta and shelly?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Mush gave the yes. VOTE: Toog

why is it up to mush?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Thoughts on Flea? Nothing pinged me as town and there's a few bits I didn't like. Not enough content for a strong read either way though.

slight townlean because newbtown tone and none of the play seems artificial/coached

if shelly is scum then flea is too

[Tayl0r Swift]

still a couple pages behind but its super interesting that pooky noraa and unowen (noraa the universal needs flipping read and two of my top scumreads) are all trying to derail the panda wagon

[Tayl0r Swift]

oh im glad you brought up matrix decipher so I can use it to meta you.

Scum!Taylor started shading Pooky!town in that game for absolutely no good reason.

kinda reminds me of what's going on here.

the reason is that i knew you were town there and your play here is totally different. its not no good reason. you acknowledge that this is close to your scum meta.

[Tayl0r Swift]

im happy to hop on the toog wagon if we need the vote. dont want to put it L-1 just yet though.

[Tayl0r Swift]

shouldnt LLD be in prod range btw?

[Tayl0r Swift]

nope LLD is still posting, just far far less.

[Tayl0r Swift]

people i think should be scrolled:
-pooky
-unowen
-bell
-noraa
-lapsa

[Tayl0r Swift]

i mean you were in matrix too bell. do you think taylors push on me this game is better than the push she did as scum in matrix decipher?

and more importantly bell, whether you think my case is strong or weak, you were in matrix. given that, is this what you expect from town!pooky especially wrt to isis here?

[Tayl0r Swift]

i mean you were in matrix too bell. do you think taylors push on me this game is better than the push she did as scum in matrix decipher?

and more importantly bell, whether you think my case is strong or weak, you were in matrix. given that, is this what you expect from town!pooky especially wrt to isis here?

No, but he said his matrix play was unique to him a one time pookie pocket paradise and I absolutely believed him. It’s hard to have an open heart.

here his heart is not open at all. its not just that this isnt exactly like that, but based on how pooky was trying to solve isis and wanted to townlock her but never could. vs here where pooky... decided she was scum because ?? and then just ignored her.

[Tayl0r Swift]

if i get voted off i wont be passing the scroll to pooky. pooky doesnt get the scroll second.

[Tayl0r Swift]

youve repeatedly said you dont want to be voted off and have backed off from your 1v1 challenge. im fine with doing it, but im just saying i want you to pass me the scroll rather than the reverse.

[Tayl0r Swift]

taylor isnt interested in being right on pooky. she wants self preservation and to save noraa.

Taylor just said that toog should kill me. I was on her top 5 lel.

because she wants TST not STS

this is wrong, but i dont think its AI.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I have no issues with the wagon buildup.

[8] Toogeloo:

Hopkirk

,

MURDERCAT

,

Titus,

Toogeloo,

Theta Alpine

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Noraa

It's a selfvote and seven people that I like at least somewhat. Who's on the wagon that you don't like? I think all the people you've wagoned recently are off it?

If I remember you like
-Me
-Lady
-Noraa
-Mush
-MURDERCAT
On the wagon, so excluding the selfvote that's Titus/Theta who you might have an issue with.
It feels towndriven. If you don't think it is then why not look at (Titus/Theta) on it?

yeah exactly. not only are the people i scumread trying hard to derail the toog wagon, but all the people i scumread who had voted toog no longer are.
VOTE: toog.

also theres 100% scum in pooky and bell, but i think both are scum.

bell why exactly do you scumread me in this particular game?

[Tayl0r Swift]

UNVOTE: Lapsa
VOTE: Toogeloo

Well I tried. Not interested in voting Taylor.

oh well at least one person i scumread is on toog now. hmm.

well scuumteam i think is gonna be shelly, pooky, bell, and two more tbd.

[Tayl0r Swift]

there's even more posts where she states I am obv1000X scum

she also supposedly wants the scroll.

but she won't pass me the scroll.

this is obviously self-preservational in order to keep herself alive. She has no real conviction that I'm scum but she shades me over and over again. This is very similar to her play in Matrix Decipher in which she shades me as scum over and over for crap-reasons.

you are cherrypicking really badly here. also you edited my readlist post to make it look like i was just shading you. here is the full post

Spoiler:

people who are town:
mush
the isis slot
fidget
shelly?
bell?
lld
noraa?
murdercat?
(me)

people who are scum:
pookyx10000
unowen
hectic

unsure of:
adorable
theta
toogeloo
flea
hopkirk
zdenek
lapsa
vaultdweller
gloria
nero

[Tayl0r Swift]

Nailed it.
Wasn't there before.

i made two readlists. one had a question mark, one didnt. click the link to the post i quoted, and youll see that its exactly as quoted.

also pooky you left in the header to make it look like i had no town or null reads and was just basically calling you scum x1000 which i only did in that one post and wasnt the point of the post.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i see i made a bad vote. it looks like its hammered but VOTE: toog

[Tayl0r Swift]

time to update this:

people who are town:
mush
isis/vax
fidget
lld
noraa?
murdercat
(me)
adorable
hopkirk

people who are scum:
bell
pookyx10000
unowen?
toogeloo
shelly?

unsure of:
theta
flea
zdenek
vaultdweller
gloria
lapsa

i bet at least 3 of my scum actually are scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

bell, again, why do you scumread me in this particular game?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Are you entering the pool with me and Pooky with those 5 taylor?

If you win you get a scummy nom

sure although id be shocked if all 5 were scum. my townhunting is usually pretty good. my scumhunting isnt as good.

[Tayl0r Swift]

You sound the same.
You, Titus, The bulge.
You guys just ping my scumdar every game. Regardless of what your alignment is.

so your read on me that you have been very vocal about pushing is that i sound the same in both my scum and town games? ok, thats fine, but i dont see why that makes me scum here. youre saying "i cant read you, and the things i get pinged on are NAI, but im gonna go ahead and scumread you anyway"

[Tayl0r Swift]

Are you entering the pool with me and Pooky with those 5 taylor?

If you win you get a scummy nom

sure although id be shocked if all 5 were scum. my townhunting is usually pretty good. my scumhunting isnt as good.

Well it's not really a fair fight anyway because Pooky knows who the scum team is

yeah but pooky didnt put himself on the list so his list is wrong and he loses.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Friendly reminder...

To prepare you all in advance, when I get the first scroll, I'd like everyone's preferred Scroll #2 wielder listed by their top 5 choices, in order. Whether I use this information or not, you will not know.

Failure to submit a top 5 list for Scroll #2 might make me just use Scroll #2 on you instead.

1. Taylor
2. Zdenek
3. Lapsa.
4. Flea
5. VaxKiller

what a bland list... where is noraa? do you really not have any scumreads? those are the lurker/null slots... if im scum doesnt that make murdercat scum too?

[Tayl0r Swift]

bell
pooky
shellyc

Ngl, this list is gunna get you killed very fast.

yeah dont question scum or theyll push people to give you the scroll and give you the scroll themselves if they ever get it.

[Tayl0r Swift]

people i think should be scrolled:
-pooky
-unowen
-bell
-noraa
-lapsa

heres my list noraa. youll find your name on it. i do want to update it though

-pooky
-unowen
-bell
-noraa
-shelly

[Tayl0r Swift]

what a bland list... where is noraa? do you really not have any scumreads? those are the lurker/null slots... if im scum doesnt that make murdercat scum too?

aint that ironic. I'm not on yours either and bell, unlike you has OPENLY stated that I was a TR multiple times.

my "solve" list is different than my scroll list. solve list is GTH whereas scroll list is for advancing the gamestate given that im probably wrong about some people.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Actually I am rainbow reading you.
And by this I mean I am strongly scum reading you and strongly town reading you.
I call this my no fucking clue, but there are a lot of clues box.

so if youre pushing someone you havent sorted, that means theres no one you have actually sorted?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Obviously from her POV you don't pass to Noraa

that and i dont want pooky having slot 2. its very simple. when i flip green bell and pooky will be on the chopping block, so i dont need to scroll them. i can scroll a scumread that is more up in the air and less certain. thats how scrollholder #2 should be treated.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Obviously from her POV you don't pass to Noraa

yes because Pooky-Noraa makes so much sense

I started a massive wagon on my scum-mate on page 6 of D1 for what? Towncred? Is that why I'm volunteering to scroll her on pass 1 too?

you can say youd pass to noraa, but no one is gonna believe it until it happens. none of us have any incentive to be particularly truthful atm about who we'd pass to. except maybe toog, but thats pretty weak.

although if toog passes to me i pass to pooky here.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Taylor thinks Noraa-Pooky is S/S
Vaxkiller thinks Pooky-Taylor is S/S

do either of those S/S relationships seem even remotely plausible to you?

i also dont have noraa in my solve atm.

[Tayl0r Swift]

pooky. let me reiterate. i have two lists. one is the people i think are scum (my solve). the other is the people i think should get the scroll (my more confident scumreads but also noraa because she needs sorting)

[Tayl0r Swift]

pooky. let me reiterate. i have two lists. one is the people i think are scum (my solve). the other is the people i think should get the scroll (my more confident scumreads but also noraa because she needs sorting)

your solve and the people who need to get the scroll should be the same people.

we should be trying to kill scum

ok so you have a scumread on everyone on your scroll list i take it?

[Tayl0r Swift]

For MurderCatto:

ScumTeam:

Noraa
Taylor
Unowen
Theta Alpine
Vaxkiller

why do you scumread uno and theta?
has your read on vax changed at all from your early scumread on isis?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I've already explained Noraa and Taylor-scum quite a number of times in thread.


Theta is scum because his reaction to the initial wagon-takeoff on Noraa is laugh out loud scummy.

Unowen is scum because you asked him for his reads in 865, he responds in 1201 and as far as I can tell you don't care about his response and his response is also bland and undetailed - no reason for you to leave that alone.

Vaxkiller is because just read that ISO it's wild.

talk to me more about theta? i dont remember the reaction

i dont remember if i followed up on that post or not, but thats one of the reasons i have uno as scum, yeah. why is an iso being wild scum indicative?

[Tayl0r Swift]

hello fidget why do you think i make a good info flip if pooky doesnt?

[Tayl0r Swift]

cuz literally every1 knows i will flip green except for murdercat, mushy and titus

i think youre on a majority of the lists...

[Tayl0r Swift]

youre on 6 of the lists per toog's last compilation, im on four.

[Tayl0r Swift]

12 lists were in that post, so you were on half the lists. i havent done a full count but i think that makes you the most consensus scumread.

in case i do die, since im mildly concerned that if scum get the scroll in part 2 theyll just quickscroll someone, and if its pooky it might be me: please trust my townreads. ill be shocked postgame if more than one of my townreads flips scum. my scumreads im less confident about, but this is not what town!uno looks like, and theres pretty much gotta be at least one scum in pooky and bell. shelly has really incriminating interactions with both pooky and bell.

[Tayl0r Swift]

cuz literally every1 knows i will flip green except for murdercat, mushy and titus

I'm not here to win a popularity contest i'm here to kill bad guys

well i see a slight contradiction here, but it might not be an AI one.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i know youre just trolling, but even the way you troll feels different when youre town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Wow how am I not top 4

youre number 5 tho

[Tayl0r Swift]

You keep saying stuff like that ... to the point that I'm a bit worried. Town!Taylor is normally so much more confident....

im confident in pooky being scum. im just not confident that thats a reason we should view pooky as scum. also im way less confident in my scumreads than my townreads. im uncharacteristically confident this game imo.

[Tayl0r Swift]

murder catching up uh oh I better shitpost more

I definitely have more shit posts than you

yeah but she has more shitposts than you

[Tayl0r Swift]

theres gonna be meta evidence both ways. me being confident isnt AI. but feel free to look.

[Tayl0r Swift]

im gonna point out things i find to be interesting to see if other people agree. i think its ok and useful to throw out things as questions and highlight them to see if other people also are struck by them.

[Tayl0r Swift]

uhh not sure at least 5?

[Tayl0r Swift]

were you scum in any of those games? i was scum in most of them.

[Tayl0r Swift]

you dont remember if you correctly srd me before? lol

iirc you were only scum in one game and you were in PoE but i didnt push you much and i died. theres one game i thought you were scummy for a while but we were both town. this is not like those. you can check yourself.

[Tayl0r Swift]

does any1 know how to search for shared topics with another user

you could look through my topics and check the ones that look familiar to you

[Tayl0r Swift]

Hopkirk
Theta Alpine
Gloria
Vaxkiller
UNOwen

One of these 5 people will get the scroll.

gloria is afk and cant get the scroll. ideally i think we go theta->uno if thats your list. i dont think hopkirk ever flips scum here.

[Tayl0r Swift]

vax i also think shouldnt flip scum. its ok, itll be a good litmus test for my pooky read.

[Tayl0r Swift]

hopkirk im in your list twice!

[Tayl0r Swift]

lapsa is a cheap filler slot because lapsa isnt contributing.

[Tayl0r Swift]

mm i buy fidget as scum at this point. shelly being town increases the odds that theres scum in pooky and bell.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Ok well Vax is town cuz of the reaction. Scum just comes in the thread, says fuck you all, and goes to their pt to discuss. That basically means that we have hit two town so far. Toog'd have to be in the acting world if that reaction was from scum and scum!vax has no business faking shit rn.
Baiscally a road map: T -> T -> ?

my top SR is Fidget and it has wavered a tiny bit due to her recent posting which I find a bit townier than before but I still do think that slot is prolly scum and I believe for the most part, people agree that slot is scum.

noraa is town after all

[Tayl0r Swift]

nono hopkirk is town!!

[Tayl0r Swift]

Ok well Vax is town cuz of the reaction. Scum just comes in the thread, says fuck you all, and goes to their pt to discuss. That basically means that we have hit two town so far. Toog'd have to be in the acting world if that reaction was from scum and scum!vax has no business faking shit rn.
Baiscally a road map: T -> T -> ?

my top SR is Fidget and it has wavered a tiny bit due to her recent posting which I find a bit townier than before but I still do think that slot is prolly scum and I believe for the most part, people agree that slot is scum.

noraa is town after all

Talk to me about Noraa town. I don't want to get burned again.

uh its kinda subtle but that post from noraa is very unlikely to come from scum. shes pushing fidget who had been largely townread or ignored. noraa as scum generally goes with the flow more and tries to buddy/pocket. she also tunnels pretty hard.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Ok well Vax is town cuz of the reaction. Scum just comes in the thread, says fuck you all, and goes to their pt to discuss. That basically means that we have hit two town so far. Toog'd have to be in the acting world if that reaction was from scum and scum!vax has no business faking shit rn.
Baiscally a road map: T -> T -> ?

my top SR is Fidget and it has wavered a tiny bit due to her recent posting which I find a bit townier than before but I still do think that slot is prolly scum and I believe for the most part, people agree that slot is scum.

noraa is town after all

god if you are town, legit do not say this again. I got pocketed hard in trials because of this. Don't. Literally. If you are town, dont say something like this again. Im legit already paranoid after that game. Im gonna start getting really paranoid if you say more things like this.

hehe thats what makes it fun to say. but i do think you're town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

bell and pooky, what are your reads on fidget?

[Tayl0r Swift]

uh its kinda subtle but that post from noraa is very unlikely to come from scum. shes pushing fidget who had been largely townread or ignored. noraa as scum generally goes with the flow more and tries to buddy/pocket.

my top SR is Fidget and it has wavered a tiny bit due to her recent posting which I find a bit townier than before but I still do think that slot is prolly scum and I believe for the most part, people agree that slot is scum.

???

You call this against the flow?

yes, and there are a few more subtle things that indicate noraa is town.


one slot that stands out to me is titus, who normally scumreads me, provides VCA, and is active and pushing reads. i know titus said shes busy but its wigging me out that she townreads me and is sheeping me a bit, and is generally low-effort. can people who know titus better (have seen scum!titus) comment on her meta and her play here please?

[Tayl0r Swift]

it could be town!taylor toying with you and also being bold and thinking that in the end youll see through it.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Ur going to null. Im pretty paranoid now cuz I dont think u fit in the solve but that was scary.

[Tayl0r Swift]

No I had her as locktown for other reasons here
but in trials, I was pocketed hard after she called me town and I'm getting super paranoid bc she just called me town without giving a good reason. In trials she said I had secret town tells that I was unaware of.

for the record the thing about town tells was true.

[Tayl0r Swift]

for instance your reaction to me townreading you is very highly town indicative for you

[Tayl0r Swift]

@Tayl0r How do you respond to the allegation that Noraa is scum because they faked a scumslip and she admitted that's her meta as scum?

@Noraa, I strongly lean Taylor town here. She didn't pick fights like this as scum in the other game.

i mean its pretty scummy to fake a townslip. but i dont think that alone is enough to sort noraa as scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I didn't fake it. I sincerely did not know at the time and I've literally repeated like ten billion times why I said that. Sure I said I faked townslips in my scum games. SO? I had TWO ... TWO finished scum games. Faking townslips in TWO finished scum games where I was encouraged to use my noob card hard is nothing strange. PLUS it doesn't even mean anything cuz what you purposefully do as scum, you only purposefully do because you KNOW you do it as town.

oh sorry. i mean the townslip in general is scummy. but i think it was probably an accident. i still have you as town. but even if it was an accident, we cant know that so we have to treat it as something scum indicative. on balance though, i think its outweighed by other stuff youre doing.

[Tayl0r Swift]

why am I town, Taylor?

uh its kinda subtle but that post from noraa is very unlikely to come from scum. shes pushing fidget who had been largely townread or ignored. noraa as scum generally goes with the flow more and tries to buddy/pocket.

my top SR is Fidget and it has wavered a tiny bit due to her recent posting which I find a bit townier than before but I still do think that slot is prolly scum and I believe for the most part, people agree that slot is scum.

???

You call this against the flow?

yes, and there are a few more subtle things that indicate noraa is town.


one slot that stands out to me is titus, who normally scumreads me, provides VCA, and is active and pushing reads. i know titus said shes busy but its wigging me out that she townreads me and is sheeping me a bit, and is generally low-effort. can people who know titus better (have seen scum!titus) comment on her meta and her play here please?

for instance your reaction to me townreading you is very highly town indicative for you

[Tayl0r Swift]

Hopkirk is scum because of his british accent

everyone knows this

hmm ok maybe pooky is town after all. except pooky is canadian, canadians are scum

[Tayl0r Swift]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO how could you do this to kanna???

[Tayl0r Swift]

has anyone noticed that pooky and uno are lurky all of a sudden? pooky disappeared hoping we would forget him and he wouldnt get the scroll

[Tayl0r Swift]

Betelgeuse

[Tayl0r Swift]

Titus: Pooky is just a spambot trying to kill Taylor

Pooky shuts up.

Titus: Pooky is a lurker trying to avoid the scroll


rofl ok whatever titus

I didn't say you were a lurker, but that you were lurking/avoiding the thread.

Your beetlejuice only serves as more evidence of such.

Not sure if you know this, but the last time I had a scumread that beetlejuiced... yup they were scum.

marashu was absolutely town!

[Tayl0r Swift]

talk to me pooky - it doesnt seem like youre enjoying this game. actually as scum id expect you to enjoy the game. whats up? everything ok?

[Tayl0r Swift]

wow why would you spend so much time not talking about noraa

[Tayl0r Swift]

must be

[Tayl0r Swift]

Bell, do you feel comfortable being able to sort out hopkirk eventually?

hopkirk is town. p sure.

[Tayl0r Swift]

No. I lack confidence that I can sort anybody accurately given enough time.
But that's the same for everyone. You never know unless they flip.

but thats mostly because you already know everyone's alignment right? normally youre at least somewhat confident

[Tayl0r Swift]

Hm, I thought it was like 6 months - 1 year ago. Turns out it was before I had the jokey style.

Taylor or Pooky should probably be best placed for any meta reading on me.

i feel like hectic is best placed to meta-read you.

[Tayl0r Swift]

This is a probable first day T-T-T pass and we’re pretty screwed but remember to take another look at my reads, Taylor also firmly in my scumpool aorn

<3

[Tayl0r Swift]

Bell join kill uno gang if you’re town because that last page. Was pretty good.

how do you scumread me and also the people that i scumread?

[Tayl0r Swift]

OK if that's a scum shelly performance, that's a good performance. I buy it.

The fall out of it is amusing though. Having another pain day and changing meds because I'm having too many pain days. Watching though.

you shouldnt believe it. thats pretty easy to fake. her sadness at dying was pretty muted anyway

[Tayl0r Swift]

Pooky or Shelly, I want to leave one of you in charge of lightly shading Lady whenever she posts. Don'tbe mean, just be slightly passive agressive.

i can do this too