Death Curse

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Bell
Too close to Leenes Bell for my liking. Stupid spikey haired teenager -.-;

Looking forward to the weirdness this brings out... >:)

[Flea The Magician]

My question here is how do we handle scroll passing.
Once a scroll is given we've a 2 day deadline to work out who's next and we don't know who's hit until the 3 flip.

Assuming Scum just YOLO it and hand it out on whoever they deem [un]worthy, are we still wanting to use votes and a clean slate to work out who to hand it to next? Or are we using the votecount as a base and going from there?

[Flea The Magician]

I have, how would the consensus be established is what I meant.
It's all well and good having a handful of vocal players doing what vocal players do, the consensus could be easily lost under a vocal minorities persistent screeching.
Given the 2 day window to allow pass alongs that's a bit of time for reads to change based on bits of information, the scroll going to the first player shouldn't be a hard lock on the process at that point.

[Flea The Magician]

Jeeze you folk get busy.
UNVOTE:

The Lady needs to detangle her drawers methinks, that was some serious momentum buildup.

So, keeping it brief, it's past midnight and the discord conversations posts don't sit well with me, and neither does the list of reads this early into D1. Giving someone townpoints for meta'ing seems funky to me, like "oh! we played before! you know when I'm town!", followed by the emotional null read [how dare you use the discord against me! I will not read you now! - is how that looks to me] combined with "Oh woe is me, I'm always the wagon of choice!"...

More I read, more I dislike. Acting defensively to EVERYTHING including things which aren't aimed at her , then defending taylor from Lady's frankly freaking impressive presence at this point. I don't actually see Lady actively saying or even implying Taylor is a scumread. Maybe it's just my brain being out of whack. Noraa seems far too defensive of Taylor imo. Even defending against the jokepost.

VOTE: Noraa

[Flea The Magician]

EBWOP

Jeeze you folk get busy.
[...]So, keeping it brief, it's past midnight and my brain is starting to shut down for the night. The Discord [...]

[Flea The Magician]

Still here, migraine day, reading what I can ^_^;

Isis, Shelly and Bell aren't sitting right with me as I've been reading. More likely a dirty duo than a terrible trio in there though.

[Flea The Magician]

Isis, Shelly and Bell aren't sitting right with me as I've been reading. More likely a dirty duo than a terrible trio in there though.

is this your first game out of newbies
you'll have to do more than that
you'll have to explain the why

Patronising much. As I've said, today is a pain day with a bonus sinus migraine.

[Flea The Magician]

UNVOTE:

I'm gunna say I'm with Taylor. D1 is one big personality who honestly looked me like shes more worried about how long she has, and is actively drilling people into dirt. The moment it seemed control was shifting from her I got a slightly panicked vibe.

Honestly feels like Lady is shutting down any discussion that isn't what she wants and I kinda feel Noraa has been shoved into a corner and locked there, kinda feel as well Noraa hasn't given us much choice beyond reading her as scum though with a lot of the reactions which could be what Lady was aiming for and

argh

- basically.

This ain't a scumread on Lady btw. This is a "what the actual fluff have I got myself into here?!". Who on earth drives into people that hard and then says "Controlling your emotions isn't my problem" when you're clearly trying to get on every last nerve?

I literally don't have the requisite attention span to read in depth the 10 pages that appear every 2 hours, especially after a pain day.

[Flea The Magician]

Apologies if this has been mentioned already...
Theta you're

real

keen to see the Nora Flip, there's been enough mechanics talk for you to know 3 flip at once, that in mind, who else would you see flip today?


@Hectic - Hey you invited me here!

[Flea The Magician]

I missed that part, I've done other digging anyway.

[Flea The Magician]

i would want to see what noraa is first

i have also stated that i will not support a wagon on you today as i want to see noraa flip first

Sounds keen to me.

You also stink of sheepdip as I'm looking at your recent ISO... which is amazing because of the "I'm not sheep!" post you made. Will check adorable out though once I've brain enough again.

none of my votes so far have been on majority wagons

it would take near majority of other players voting you for me to actually join in

at the time i would have gone along with it

if at least 5 other town players think hopkirk is scum i will join in because i do not see anything particularly townie enough to object to it

Oh and do me a favour, instead of openly declaring your fence sitting nature and laziness, form an opinion on Nora. Town or Scum. Null is a no, there's enough information out there. Will have a read on Adorable once I've mustered enough brain power to do the reading I already need to do.

[Flea The Magician]

i would want to see what noraa is first

i have also stated that i will not support a wagon on you today as i want to see noraa flip first

Sounds keen to me.

also

how do either of these mean i am keen on killing hopkirk today
they very much mean the opposite

They dont, they mean you're keen on Nora's flip.

[Flea The Magician]

While Nora is doomed, I still feel its good to form an opinion. It helps others read you and your future reads. One of your reads was based on flip, which I assume now is a solid read too.

And honestly I skipped the pedits because damn this game moves fast.

[Flea The Magician]

While Nora is doomed, I still feel its good to form an opinion. It helps others read you and your future reads. One of your reads was based on flip, which I assume now is a solid read too.

What is your read on Noraa atm?

Scum, as previously stated. There's too much to not be.

[Flea The Magician]

I have a meta headache. Jeeze... I have no clue how many of the pages I just read that can be surmised "look up the meta!" and "Look into the player!" -.-;

This interaction is amusing though.

I have isos to read.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: Adorable ISO - Null -.-;

This ISO reads as fairly opportunistic early on, at least to me. The vote on Nora was placed based on "Nora getting defensive is sus" #277 ISO#1. She calls Nora out on an OMGUS vote.

Aw great, now I gotta add UNOwen to this...

Ok so the interactions with Noraa on the Adorable end are some seriously weak sauce. Like Bell Pepper on the scoville scale weak.

Spoiler: UNOwen ISO (read in part with Adorable) - Scum Leaning

So UNOwen claims their RVS vote to have provoked good things, and seems rather keen on Noraa scum as a result, that's fine and fair. Seems a little to proud to me but that's just me reading it.

Claims in #708 to have "juicy and fulfilling Noraa scum read" - with a total of 3 game related posts. An RVS, an Adorbs accusation, and questioning someones read. Doesn't want to vote elsewhere until Noraa be cursed. Ok then.

At some point I will have opinions that are more substantial and worth offering without request. But the game has just started, and it is going at a good pace, so I see no reason to rush.

But the juicy noraa scumread?

blah blah blah discord/meta.... my brain hurts.

Ooo Adorable is scum apparently. #1201. Adorables made like 3 posts at this point. That's a pretty heavy read for a slot with nothing happening. That I can work out it's currently based on slightly whiffy vote nobody else was really bothered about at the time...

I gotta agree with Adorable in #1301. There's a definite sense of pride and knowing in UNOwens posts about Noraa.

Adorable and Noraa scumbuddies? That's a corker of a bus if that's the case. Shelly is implicated in this quite heavily and is someone I need to read over anyway.

More meta -.-;

This slot isn't sitting well with me.

Need to check Shelly and pooky at some point, this has used my attention span for the day.

[Flea The Magician]

wow thats a hell of a defence to what was basically thought streaming my way through ISO posts shelly. Haven't even looked at you properly yet [3 pages behind at this post]

[Flea The Magician]

Read I don't even need to re-read shelly at this point for this VOTE: shellyc

Accusing me of misrep saying adoranoraa is a scum thing when I'm saying that's a damn impressive bus if that is the case - meaning - I don't consider that a case. Also the jump and bolded adorable is town comment despite my null read on the slot currently. Seemed to completely ignore my read of UNOwen, with absolutely zero comment on that, despite it being evident she had read it.

[Flea The Magician]

6 posts, 4 votes... what the nuts is Lapsa's deal?

[Flea The Magician]

Read I don't even need to re-read shelly at this point for this VOTE: shellyc

Accusing me of misrep saying adoranoraa is a scum thing when I'm saying that's a damn impressive bus if that is the case - meaning - I don't consider that a case. Also the jump and bolded adorable is town comment despite my null read on the slot currently. Seemed to completely ignore my read of UNOwen, with absolutely zero comment on that, despite it being evident she had read it.

did you just spectacularly miss the point again
your misrep is that you said I was pushing adoranoraa when I clearly wasnt
I said adorable is town because that's my opinion, not your opinion

Do you think ignoring things is alignment indicative when I've been phoneposting for like. the last 48 hours.

I said no such thing. To put in plain terms I said Adoranoraa is not a thing, the number of times you were mentioned meant I would need to read you in ISO to get a better feel for your slot.

Adorable and Noraa scumbuddies? That's a corker of a bus if that's the case. Shelly is implicated in this quite heavily and is someone I need to read over anyway.
which states that I am stating that adoranoraa is a thing as I am "implicated in adoranoraa scumpair"
unless I am interpreting this wrongly

You are, very much so. See above.

Do you think ignoring things is alignment indicative when I've been phoneposting for like. the last 48 hours.

and also even if I had read unowen case at the time I wouldn't reply to it

I have no obligation to reply to every damn thing in the thread

You had some rather strong opinions and I don't recall a reaction to the UNOwen cases at all. I don't expect a response to everything, either. this thread is so full of crap I honestly don't even want to read half of it. Curious why you're not bothered about the UNOwen scenario though. Keeping distance?

Read I don't even need to re-read shelly at this point for this VOTE: shellyc

this is some impressive confidence as well.

from shelly is null i cant sort there -> I do not need to reread her she is scum. because I pointed out a legit misrep, have a read on Adorable and apparently missed a case?

You've never been a null, one of my first posts was I had suspicions on you which I needed to go through and check over.
Yes, its confident. Should it not be?

Also not ignoring the thread, I have things called life and SQL errors to fight against. MS doesn't like emoticons apparently.

[Flea The Magician]

RL stuff be happening. Here's my list, roughly ordered because painfog.

UNOwen
Shelly
Lapsa
Noraa
Theta

Oh and Theta, whats wrong with being forced to take a stance? Stops the fence-sitting BS

[Flea The Magician]

@Noraa @Shelly
I'm not an alt, ftr. Curious where Noraa got that from.

[Flea The Magician]

I missed the wagoning unowen offer, I think my looking into them came late.

[Flea The Magician]

OK if that's a scum shelly performance, that's a good performance. I buy it.

The fall out of it is amusing though. Having another pain day and changing meds because I'm having too many pain days. Watching though.

[Flea The Magician]

Can you townspew while on pain meds? Sometimes I like to get drunk and start flinging insults at everyone who's suspicious of me when I'm town.

new meds so I've no clue how I'll react. they don't wanna keep giving me the ones I know work but send me whappy.

Queen MURDERCAT rules with an iron fist

Flea hasnt been in the thread for a while. Interesting that they pop in and push someone that Vax just said was the most likely candidate for the scroll. That alone would be a p big red flag to me but prolly not enough to make me think about giving the scroll to flea.

Sooo me saying shelly is town at this point is me pushing shelly...

[Flea The Magician]

Well that's a naff result

VOTE: Freddy

Pressure here is good I think, UNOwen is my other option currently.

[Flea The Magician]

Provisionally OK with cursing Fred.
Always OK with cursing shelly.

Yo Flea, updated reads on (Noraa, shellyc, Theta, Fred, UNOwen) with justifications?

Nora: Scum lean - As much as I want her to be town, there's too much bad stuff and Lady's drilling didn't help the matter.
Shelly: Town-ish - Emotional reaction seemed genuine to me. Interactions seem genuine.
Theta: SL - Reassessment needed.
Fred: SL - Literally just slid in the game like he was always here, nothing really rocking the boat. Zdenk was SL, seemed to be trying to poke things but not actually doing that much about it. Feels like I've actually done more [which is frankly impressive]
UNOwen: Scum - I made a post previously and I stick to that.

[Flea The Magician]

That said, I don't believe in Nora/UNOwen as a duo.

[Flea The Magician]

Link to VC.

Provisionally OK with cursing Fred.
Always OK with cursing shelly.

Yo Flea, updated reads on (Noraa, shellyc, Theta, Fred, UNOwen) with justifications?

Nora: Scum lean - As much as I want her to be town, there's too much bad stuff and Lady's drilling didn't help the matter.
Shelly: Town-ish - Emotional reaction seemed genuine to me. Interactions seem genuine.
Theta: SL - Reassessment needed.
Fred: SL - Literally just slid in the game like he was always here, nothing really rocking the boat. Zdenk was SL, seemed to be trying to poke things but not actually doing that much about it. Feels like I've actually done more [which is frankly impressive]
UNOwen: Scum - I made a post previously and I stick to that.

That said, I don't believe in Nora/UNOwen as a duo.

^ok the above posts are really weak. You just took me out because you think uno is scum. So now its just Uno is scum, Fred(a wagon that is piling up fast) is scum, and the rest need reassessment. More is needed. You've basically coasted this game and "as much as I want her to be town" is the weirdest worded thing ever. I dislike your slot and will put some pressure here bc I have things that I want to see. VOTE: Flea

My gut screams you're town, your response tell me scum, your reactions seem off. That I recall of the interactions between you and UNO I can't see you being a dirty duo. Theta needs reassessment, and I'm happy enough with my other reads for now.

I admit I'm coasting along, there's a lot of shitposting in this game which I dont have the attention span for meaning I'm probably not reading as much as I should.

[Flea The Magician]

Flea, I hate something about how you're playing right here, please give me a megapost on your reads.

I genuinely don't have the attention span to provide this soon. I will provide that I can when I can.

This is a rather interesting turn mind

[Flea The Magician]

I'm not able to get anything out of Flea.
[...]

Flea, I hate something about how you're playing right here, please give me a megapost on your reads.

I genuinely don't have the attention span to provide this soon. I will provide that I can when I can.

This is a rather interesting turn mind

light shade. alright. alright. I'll compromise on Flea anyday. The tone is really off imo.

Not sure what you wanted with a vote and saying I'm off, Mush has at least requested something of me which requires me to not be half spaced out. And the flow towards me is quite interesting, didn't realise there was something wrong with that

[Flea The Magician]

I present you with: some of my reads. composed while I'm space braining on my new meds

Taylor - TL, randomly defensive, seems to be sticking to guns. Smart enough to not create those specific associative tells imo.
Noraa - SL, can't forgive the over-defensiveness earlier and response to drilled, have considered play since and downgraded.
UNOwen - scum. Previous post details this somewhere.
Mush - Town - seems proactive
Lady - Town - want to see more from her, and hope she's well soon <3
Shelly - TL, slot doesn't sit well with me on interactions still but the response to the hurt seemed genuine to me.
MC - Not sure, overconfident in reads.
Pooky - SL, slot isn't sitting well with me, seems to be mostly shitposting and taunting.
Lapsa - SL, What the smeg even is this slot.
Theta - Null Seems rather middle of the road to me.
Fred - scum. Zden was lean, freds entrance was... well I had to triple check when they came in because it's like they were always here, and its 3 straight in at taylor.
Bell - TL. Reads well to me. Should probably go look at the points made against them at some point.
Fidget - Honestly, haven't been paying attention.
Gloria - See above.
Adorable - Forgot about them


pedit
[quote=Noraa]I think pooky's town. I feel like pooky has a kind of playful vibe when they are scum. [/quote]
Pooky seems quite playful to me.

[Flea The Magician]

ebwop

pedit

I think pooky's town. I feel like pooky has a kind of playful vibe when they are scum.

Pooky seems quite playful to me.

[Flea The Magician]

Wow the defensiveness of Noraa comes out again. And this compromises me charging? Amazing. And then pulls the Meta-Defence[tm]- despite it being made clear already, I don't do meta. I hardly have the attention span to read though the shitposts in this thread never mind read though another game. Plus meta can be manipulated.

Btw I've officially changed my mind. I think pooky's town. I feel like pooky has a kind of playful vibe when they are scum. It's hard to describe but the vibe is just very playful and kinda just like "hey hey come play with me and I'll set u up while im doing that"
It's this very evil kind of feel.
Idk how else to describe it. Lemme go find which game it was that I felt this from last time I did a quick meta dive.
Basically I feel like its this super provoking tone that if directed at you, I feel like would kind make you wanna kick pooky.
Hold up lemme go find the name of that game.

Going to assume you mean post not paragraph - and I still say I get the feeling pooky is being playful.

I know very well that pooky is kinda playful here. It's different tho and if you would care to meta dive, you would understand why. Plus if you read my entire paragraph and not just the first sentence, it shows u why exactly but no, Flea is just gonna come charging after me after reading one sentence of my reassessment read. Great. Lovely.

I think pooky's town. I feel like pooky has a kind of playful vibe when they are scum.

Pooky seems quite playful to me.

"charging" - making a comment, is charging. What is with this over defensiveness?

If anything I'd charge after you for your vote/unvote on me, justified as "I want information!" "Well I'm not getting information..."
I still don't get what you were expecting from 1 vote, honestly.

[Flea The Magician]

Means someone thinks you're scummy, unless you got it from scum then yeah I'd call it an honour.

[Flea The Magician]

Curious on your read on me Gloria

[Flea The Magician]

Curious on your read on me Gloria

I didn’t like your readslist nor do I understand your thought process in making it. I also find it odd that a lurker suddenly comes out with one and then pretty much goes back to lurking. It kind of reads like coasting with a lamisty readslist to not look like your actually doing that. Why do you even bother to make one and include players you have no read on? It’s interesting that you’re finally reading my posts. Is my read on you the only thing that you can think of to comment on?

I should requote it but it just looked like there wasn’t much thought process put into that list.

I was asked to provide, and so I provided.

There's one or two things I could comment on, but they're redundant right now as we wait for the scroll to do its thing.

[Flea The Magician]

Answering the nora one now because it might provoke a reaction

Nora's play post drill has been better, but her earlier shenanigans were unforgivable. That's why she's SL not outright scum. More recent reasoning is she seems to be wanting to pick a fight with me, starting interactions but then never finishing them.

Votes me here - wants information, unvotes me here - can't get information. wut. what was I supposed to do there? "Oh noes, there is a vote upon my person! oh woe is me whatever shall I do?" Don't get me wrong I love being dramatic, but that wasn't the time nor place.

Then overreacts to a comment I made, saying I'm charging at her [which I still think is amazing] then blanks me after my rebuttal. [Again, amazing ]

I could do with a good hug... or turning into a vampire... whichever embrace it is, I look forward to it

[Flea The Magician]

Taylor - TL, randomly defensive, seems to be sticking to guns. Smart enough to not create those specific associative tells imo.
Noraa - SL, can't forgive the over-defensiveness earlier and response to drilled, have considered play since and downgraded.

what do you think about noraa's later play that "downgrades" her? imo noraa's later play is much better than early flailing!noraa

Answered.

MC - Not sure, overconfident in reads.

Do you think overconfidence is completely NAI?

No. Overconfidence could be scummy as they know who's who. On the other hand, could just be a super confident player. On the 3rd hand, could just be bantering.

Pooky - SL, slot isn't sitting well with me, seems to be mostly shitposting and taunting.

Consider meta evidence that scum!pooky = less taunty and more lighthearted

No.

Theta - Null Seems rather middle of the road to me.

Middle of the road is how, imo, scum would ideally play here, as all elim'd town are vengeful

Could also be a player who no attention span trying to integrate without taking too much flak.

Bell - TL. Reads well to me. Should probably go look at the points made against them at some point.
Fidget - Honestly, haven't been paying attention.
Gloria - See above.
Adorable - Forgot about them

Can you develop a little bit more on these last 4 reads? skim the isos, no matter how weak a read is, it's best to get it out there

Bell still a TL, but sure. For bonus points I'll look at the vain Titus too.

[Flea The Magician]

UNOwen: Scum - I made a post previously and I stick to that.

That said, I don't believe in Nora/UNOwen as a duo.

!
You realise that your previous post was advancing the "UNO knows that Noraa will flip scum so is setting Adorable up as a partner" theory that Adorable suggested? And that your accusation was of me being "proud and knowing" about Noraa's alignment?

What from our interactions make us an unlikely scum team since then?

This is an amazing interpretation of my post

Nora and Adorable aren't a dirty duo, same as you and nora aren't a dirty duo. I specifically said "There's a definite sense of pride and knowing in UNOwens posts about Noraa."

[Flea The Magician]

there was a hurt tag for adorable iirc.

[Flea The Magician]

This is an amazing interpretation of my post

Nora and Adorable aren't a dirty duo, same as you and nora aren't a dirty duo. I specifically said "There's a definite sense of pride and knowing in UNOwens posts about Noraa."

What you specifically said was:

I gotta agree with Adorable in #1301. There's a definite sense of pride and knowing in UNOwens posts about Noraa.

And what Adorable specifically said was:

I'm scum reading both Noraa and Unowen.

Unowen said Noraa's wagon looked promising and then randomly mentions my vote which looked like he knows something about Noraa's alignment.

Sometimes scum will link a scum buddy to a town player and this was the vibe I was getting from Unowen.

Fixed your bold for you.

Way to try and twist my words

[Flea The Magician]

Love how everyones just sliding on my slot.:3

Also nice WIFOM drop from fred, I think everyone on that list is town and he's just messing with people. Everyone on that list, that I can tell, has at least 2 or 3 people leaning scum on each of them.

Doing my ISO bit what shelly asked for while I have to spoons.

[Flea The Magician]

Fidget - S, Freds tag change didn't look good after Adorbs claimed intent to curse our foxy friendo.
Gloria - T, can't find fault with her. Good points, good contributions.
Adorable - Null/TL - Freds tagging and switching affected the read. Slot seems consistent, lots of reads and information, no analysis. I'd be curious to see a detailed reads list from this slot though.
Titus - SL, only skimmed. ye gods get off the fence. "why vanity wagon?" - next post "vote wagon". o.o Really seems keen on survival...

[Flea The Magician]

I like when my gut is right. I should listen to it more...
still curious what info you were wanting from me Noraa. *shrugs*

Amma re-read shelly and fidget.

My gut doesn't like them.

And I'm still convinced VOTE: UNOwen is a good move.

[Flea The Magician]

Hey shelly, hows your scoreboard looking? and hows your paranoia treating you?

[Flea The Magician]

Link to VC.

ok I re-read 2/3 of shelly, and I'm good with this pass. I have no clue on votecounts so not voting there plus noraa wants hammer.
Consider my vote there in spirit.

[Flea The Magician]

She's either L-1 or L-2 anyway if my brainfog has worked it out right.

[Flea The Magician]

Love ya too goofball <3

[Flea The Magician]

It would be really interesting if all of these pairings were just wifom on Fred‘s part. I think that all of the evidence either suggests either Shelley > Fidget > Flea if she’s scum or Fidget > Flea if she’s town.

Want to elaborate on how I'm connected in here plz?


While I'm here, VOTE: ShellyC which clears teh way for the Noraammer.

[Flea The Magician]

¶

Votecount 1.20

(FINAL)

[11] Toogeloo:

Hopkirk, MURDERCAT, Titus, Toogeloo, Theta Alpine, MUSHSHAGANA, Lady Lambdadelta, Noraa, UNOwen, shellyc, Bell

HAMMER

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell

[2] Bell:

Tayl0r Swift, Vaxkiller

[2] shellyc:

Fidget, Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1] Adorable:

Lapsa

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-28 03:35:35).

Joint moderator ISO.

@Flea, both you and Fidget were on Shelley.

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Votecount 2.5

(FINAL)

[9] Fredrick A Campbell:

Bell, MUSHSHAGANA, Flea The Magician, PookyTheMagicalBear, UNOwen, MURDERCAT, Titus, shellyc, Fidget

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

Fredrick A Campbell

[1] Fidget:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Adorable:

Theta Alpine

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[3] Not Voting:

Lady Lambdadelta, DrippingGoofball, Gloria Cleary

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-06 21:29:24).

Joint moderator ISO.

And all three of you were on Fred.

shellyc, Flea The Magician, Adorable and Gloria Cleary.

Then this.

And I’ve already discussed Fred’s switch from scrolling Adorable to LLD after she changed her scroll target from Noraa to Fidget. I mean it’s possible that all of this is sheer cooincidence but what are the odds?

Soo, you're using some loose VCA, WIFOM, and a gamblers fallacy.

Kewl.

[Flea The Magician]

flea could be scum, in which case id say pooky is prolly town. but dgb's actions are pretty strange coming from town. anyway i think those 6 people are a game-winning PoE.

Curious about this one too, me and pooky have had like zero interaction. I don't even remember pooky posting a read on me.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler:

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Votecount 1.20

(FINAL)

[11] Toogeloo:

Hopkirk, MURDERCAT, Titus, Toogeloo, Theta Alpine, MUSHSHAGANA, Lady Lambdadelta, Noraa, UNOwen, shellyc, Bell

HAMMER

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell

[2] Bell:

Tayl0r Swift, Vaxkiller

[2] shellyc:

Fidget, Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1] Adorable:

Lapsa

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-28 03:35:35).

Joint moderator ISO.

@Flea, both you and Fidget were on Shelley.

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Votecount 2.5

(FINAL)

[9] Fredrick A Campbell:

Bell, MUSHSHAGANA, Flea The Magician, PookyTheMagicalBear, UNOwen, MURDERCAT, Titus, shellyc, Fidget

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

Fredrick A Campbell

[1] Fidget:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Adorable:

Theta Alpine

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[3] Not Voting:

Lady Lambdadelta, DrippingGoofball, Gloria Cleary

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-06 21:29:24).

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And all three of you were on Fred.

shellyc, Flea The Magician, Adorable and Gloria Cleary.

Then this.

And I’ve already discussed Fred’s switch from scrolling Adorable to LLD after she changed her scroll target from Noraa to Fidget. I mean it’s possible that all of this is sheer cooincidence but what are the odds?

Soo, you're using some loose VCA, WIFOM, and a gamblers fallacy.

Kewl.

I think the associatives here are pretty compelling and instead of explaining why I’m wrong you just dismiss it. So do you have an alternative explanation or do you just chalk all of it up to sheer coincidence and why?

Cant argue against a fallacy. If youre using it, its on you.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler:

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Votecount 1.20

(FINAL)

[11] Toogeloo:

Hopkirk, MURDERCAT, Titus, Toogeloo, Theta Alpine, MUSHSHAGANA, Lady Lambdadelta, Noraa, UNOwen, shellyc, Bell

HAMMER

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell

[2] Bell:

Tayl0r Swift, Vaxkiller

[2] shellyc:

Fidget, Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1] Adorable:

Lapsa

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-28 03:35:35).

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@Flea, both you and Fidget were on Shelley.

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Votecount 2.5

(FINAL)

[9] Fredrick A Campbell:

Bell, MUSHSHAGANA, Flea The Magician, PookyTheMagicalBear, UNOwen, MURDERCAT, Titus, shellyc, Fidget

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

Fredrick A Campbell

[1] Fidget:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Adorable:

Theta Alpine

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[3] Not Voting:

Lady Lambdadelta, DrippingGoofball, Gloria Cleary

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-06 21:29:24).

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And all three of you were on Fred.

shellyc, Flea The Magician, Adorable and Gloria Cleary.

Then this.

And I’ve already discussed Fred’s switch from scrolling Adorable to LLD after she changed her scroll target from Noraa to Fidget. I mean it’s possible that all of this is sheer cooincidence but what are the odds?

Soo, you're using some loose VCA, WIFOM, and a gamblers fallacy.

Kewl.

I think the associatives here are pretty compelling and instead of explaining why I’m wrong you just dismiss it. So do you have an alternative explanation or do you just chalk all of it up to sheer coincidence and why?

Cant argue against a fallacy. If youre using it, its on you.

How is it a fallacy? Do you or do you not agree that it’s interesting that the same names keep being connected? Like if I had entirely different names, would you be that quick to dismiss it?

Yup.
OK Fine. You're using loose VCA and simply tracking names in places, not where or reasons for votes.
You're using a list from a doomed scum, that list should be disregarded as wifom.
You're attempting to justify this with "odds" - part of a gamblers fallacy.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: shellyc

Feel like there's more to get out of this phase still

Shellys at L-1 afaik, we got like 5 days before the noraammer comes crashing down. unless she gets bored

[Flea The Magician]

that's an interesting hammer...

[Flea The Magician]

5 days left, seems to have been done to literally spite noraa.

IIRC we're now 2 days for the scroll pass. potential 4-5 days of interaction go poof.

[Flea The Magician]

because
1) My vote being there in spirit isn't really enough, is it?
2) It allows interesting things to happen

[Flea The Magician]

and
3) I'm pretty sure Noraa wouldn't have hammered at least for another day or two.

[Flea The Magician]

I do, more so depending on Shellys flip.

[Flea The Magician]

If Shelly is scum? If Shelly is town? What does that mean for Goofball?

It's scummy regardless imo, more so if shelly is scum due to bussing and denying the establishing of more associatives.

[Flea The Magician]

Titus, flea, Taylor, fidget. Is where i’m at right now.

You're definitely wrong on one of them, probably on 2.

[Flea The Magician]

DGB/Noraa/Titus is my semi-serious solve

Whats your serious solve?

[Flea The Magician]

murder/mush/bell/noraa

murder: murderer = scum, there's no way someone that kills cant be scum!
mush: wallposter = scum, works a charm
bell: funeral bells = scum, bells also indicate danger, scum are dangerous
noraa: the one and only scum-rolling expert

My Leenes' Bell reference was funnier. 1/10.

[Flea The Magician]

oof over 100 posts behind.
Give up Shelly, you ain't reclaiming that title.

Eugh I just realised this means I need to take unowen back to null at least

[Flea The Magician]

Flea
Pooky
Adorable
Fidget

Flea Town
Pooky Lean town due to Taylor interactions
Adorable Lean scum due to being Noraa’s counterwagon
Fidget Who the fuck knows

Wait, I'm a solid town read for someone? o.o

[Flea The Magician]

I wouldn't say I'm hard lurking... more soft lurking.

There's little for me to add to much of this tbh. and when I have challenged or engaged with people they've just kinda sidelined me </3

[Flea The Magician]

the ate is a joke anyway, it's not designed to "work"

I've tried challenging you once or twice and got ignored ^_^ tried it with one or two others I'm sure and still got ignored.
So amma sit here and just vibe

[Flea The Magician]

I've tried challenging you once or twice and got ignored ^_^ tried it with one or two others I'm sure and still got ignored.

Ok that was because I remember I had replied to the questions and you basically just asked them again so I wasn't gonna reply a second time with the exact same thing.

you never answered how I was charging at you <3

[Flea The Magician]

Flea
Pooky
Adorable
Fidget

Flea Town
Pooky Lean town due to Taylor interactions
Adorable Lean scum due to being Noraa’s counterwagon
Fidget Who the fuck knows

Huh? Earlier you said I was inactive and you put me as null and now all of a sudden out of the blue you put me as a scum lean for being the counter wagon to Noraa. This doesn't seem to match on what you said earlier.

it was a hip shot read with no thought. I was worried because of my town read. I'm actually a meh read ^_^

[Flea The Magician]

*stretches and yawns*

Ya'll really dig that list I made like 2000 posts ago don'cha.

*scratches*

Universal SR to the point I seem to be lockscum, eh. Some of you are really barking up the wrong tree.

After I re-read shellys reaction I wasn't buying it, no clue what I was thinking at the time I bought it. Hell can't even remember reading it for the first time lol.


aight, lets go see what

Hera

Mush wants...

[Flea The Magician]

OH hey fidget, wasn't your homework to build a case on Gloria and not me?

Don't get me wrong, I'm loving the attention and the effort you're putting in <3 But you know,

Hera

Mush hath spoken.

I remember vaguely seeing something about "why no clear adorbs when so keen on me?!" because it could be a well played bus between all 3 of you, scum have daytalk after all so something like that isn't hard to coordinate.

[Flea The Magician]

*stretches and yawns*

Ya'll really dig that list I made like 2000 posts ago don'cha.

*scratches*

Universal SR to the point I seem to be lockscum, eh. Some of you are really barking up the wrong tree.

After I re-read shellys reaction I wasn't buying it, no clue what I was thinking at the time I bought it. Hell can't even remember reading it for the first time lol.


aight, lets go see what

Hera

Mush wants...

Trying to decide if this is town indicative or not, because scum!FL used that expression in a game. It’s obviously no “go eat your hat” that 100% screamed town. That’s when I first realized that Noraa was very likely town.

sooo youre using another players scum game to weigh me? and then just echoing noraa town....

[Flea The Magician]

Yeah that's why I don't like meta.

Its why I found it funny shelly was all over the place on using it, and then tried to defend someone from me using it. I should go find who.

[Flea The Magician]

Pooky - SL, slot isn't sitting well with me, seems to be mostly shitposting and taunting.

Consider meta evidence that scum!pooky = less taunty and more lighthearted

No.

Found it.

[Flea The Magician]

I have no clue what your logic is, but titus sus. I'll probably read her properly after DBT, if I'm not captured for Among Us.

[Flea The Magician]

Hey, hey Gloria, don't forget your homework from

Aphrodite

Mush.

I see many things but no list on people you've hard defended!

[Flea The Magician]

Well, I’m not great at organizing my thoughts but wrt Noraa: I already just mentioned the “go eat your hat” thing which screamed town , plus emotional range, multiple readslists. Now being the favourite target of both scums.

Isis: Scum!Isis is kind’ve weird and sketchy generally, where as town!Isis is in your face. It’s hard to explain, call it more of a gutread if you will.

LLD: There were certain posts where she just seemed really genuine and although I don’t think anyone ought to be tr for toxicity, her outburst at Isis didn’t sound like something that would come from scum. I don’t recall now who linked me her scumgame, was it MC or Bell? But she sounded kind’ve fake compared to here.

Pooky: tone, the way he’s past/present reacting to srs on him. I recall saying that based off of games I’ve read, scum!him is far more likely to AtE than make hilarious, biting “Pooky Fanclub posts”.

I did also hard defend Titus but am now questioning this based off of Shelley. I still think she’s town but I know if I’m wrong I’m probably following her. Vault did sound different here than in his other towngames, so if I’m wrong on one tr, maybe it’s her?

Adorable: still think she’s town. She’s been extremely consistent throughout the game on everything she’s said.. Scum otoh, is far more likely to contradict themselves in an illogical progression on reads. Another reason why I tr LLD, her progression on Hopkirk was totally logical albeit wrong based off her sr Tayl0r att.

I think Pooky/Tayl0r might be TvT based off of LLD/Noraa being TvT and scum!Shelley/Uno not being mentioned in Fred’s scum theatre list.

Don't tell me this was it?

[Flea The Magician]

What’s wrong with it and shouldn’t you let Mush decide that? Are you her self-appointed assistant?

Someones getting defensive

Nah, I thought you'd done more tbh. Nowt wrong with it, just seemed a bit under-radar-y given your current slew of posting

[Flea The Magician]

How on earth am I derailing?

Sheesh!

Anyway, I'm off to read titus, ttfn.

[Flea The Magician]

First I charge at nora, second I hyper focus with "That was it? o.o"

I say again, sheesh!

anyway, Titus sus.

[Flea The Magician]

*finger pyramid of ebil contemplation*

[Flea The Magician]

First I charge at nora, second I hyper focus with "That was it? o.o"

I say again, sheesh!

anyway, Titus sus.

*finger pyramid of ebil contemplation*

I’m trying to figure out stuff and if my “homework” doesn’t meet yours or anyone else’s standards then oh well. I’m not great at explaining my reads in general, I just follow my tangents at the time they’re occuring and run with them.

Nah you do you, I ain't judging. I just genuinely expected a bigger list. My standards are irrelevant because 1) I am the second lurkiest player here 2) I am the lowest info player here 3) wasn't me who asked for it.

Running off with tangents as they occur is a mood though ^_^

[Flea The Magician]

Phase 2 begins.

Everyone is at risk of dying today. Post like it's your last day in the game. If I am not entertained I will put the hurt on you. I will not accept pleas, I will only accept your absolute loyalty and obedience.

[...]

Anyone I have not assigned a job to is encouraged to explain exactly how the others are sucking at their job. I'm watching for something specific in the dynamics. So, you know, everyone here. Almost.

Flea has played High Priest without my say-so, and for that there will be punishment. I don't have a tiger pit available, but I do -- oh, he's already doing Titus. Okay, I can live with that.

*confused squeaking*

Sorry oh mighty

Persephone

Mush I shall remain silent once more

*makes a bowing exit while uttering their prayers*

[Flea The Magician]

I didn't miss it mush, I just have a burning passion for chaotic deities. I'm well aware in my partaking of the Cult of Mush I offer myself as a sacrifice at any time, willing or unwilling and membership of the cult is for life.

Doesn't stop me paying tribute and attempting to respectfully leave your shrine through fear of wrath

[Flea The Magician]

Noraa - SL, can't forgive the over-defensiveness earlier and response to drilled, have considered play since and downgraded.

Forgot about this. interesting.

That was me now UNOwen, just saying.

[Flea The Magician]

Noraa - SL, can't forgive the over-defensiveness earlier and response to drilled, have considered play since and downgraded.

Forgot about this. interesting.

That was me now UNOwen, just saying.

How do you still sr Noraa after LLD scroll?

I dont.

Noraa - SL, can't forgive the over-defensiveness earlier and response to drilled, have considered play since and downgraded.

Forgot about this. interesting.

That was me now UNOwen, just saying.

no worries, I knew that.

Just in case someone else caught it ^_^

[Flea The Magician]

Le Gasp! I'm a scumread!

My own fault for being PoE'd I guess, I should really start deconstructing things at some point...

[Flea The Magician]

Ooo pick me pick me! Whats the reason on me

[Flea The Magician]

Ooo pick me pick me! Whats the reason on me

you are not a nonconsensus so casing there is useless. theres already enough cases.

They're all mostly associatives and PoE though

[Flea The Magician]

@Gloria, fwiw I tr you.

also, people will read you wrong. pretty much everyone is reading me wrong currently. it happens ^_^

[Flea The Magician]

@MUSHAGANA On day 2 you said you did not like me and you didn't say why. How am I supposed to defend myself when I don't know what it is on why you didn't like me? I have said earlier shelly was getting suspected on day 3 and the only players I could think of who could be her scum buddies are somewhere within these players Titus, Flea, DGB, Taylor, Pooky.

Bell and Murdercat have also been getting town read and I find it really interesting mafia did not give the scroll to one of them which makes me think they called out 2 or 3
scum players on their list.

This was Bells list: Fidget, Titus, Flea, Taylor

This was Murdercat's list: Fred, shelly, DGB, Flea, Titus

shelly gave the scroll to MUSHAGANA which starts to make me wonder if shelly is feeling confident the scroll will be passed to town since it seems like MUSHAGANA has been focusing on Gloria, Fidget, Pooky, and me.

In fairness, I'm on EVERYONES list pretty much.

Eugh I'm going to have to effort some more aren't I...

[Flea The Magician]

Effort post a go-go -.-;

Spoiler: flea

Still here, migraine day, reading what I can ^_^;

Isis, Shelly and Bell aren't sitting right with me as I've been reading. More likely a dirty duo than a terrible trio in there though.

I wonder which two are the "scum"?

At the time, Shelly and Isis were my suspected team.

flea's tone reads weirdly agreeable to me for some reasons which isn't strictly AI

I get the feeling this is the sort of thing Shelly says about scum she wants to protect.

Remember 2109? That was a weird one.

Weird how? I was thought streaming.

Read I don't even need to re-read shelly at this point for this VOTE: shellyc

Accusing me of misrep saying adoranoraa is a scum thing when I'm saying that's a damn impressive bus if that is the case - meaning - I don't consider that a case. Also the jump and bolded adorable is town comment despite my null read on the slot currently. Seemed to completely ignore my read of UNOwen, with absolutely zero comment on that, despite it being evident she had read it.

This could be worthy of town points if shelly was ever a target at this point, but she wasn't so it could easily be distancing.

She started this one, read the context. It started with her accusing me of misrep by misrepping my thought stream post.

Flea why are you ignoring this thread come back

Is this a slip lol? "the" makes more sense than "this" right

Active in another game. The now finished Newbie 2034 (and post in question so you can check timestamps) - Given my online activity is hidden, Shelly was actively looking for me.

eh I'm not bothered because I've already scumcased there and posting a "+1" isn't going to make any difference

yeah and I also have a townlean for seeing what I'm seeing regarding flea, considering I think newbscum dislike bussing in general from my experiences in the newbie queue

This really feels like Shelly trying to buddy to get the SR on her dropped, so I'm less confident about the interaction there now.

She was reading my ongoing I think. Chaotic af.

OK if that's a scum shelly performance, that's a good performance. I buy it.

The fall out of it is amusing though. Having another pain day and changing meds because I'm having too many pain days. Watching though.

Questionable changing of the Shelly read.

No for some reason I genuinely bought the rage on being scrolled... probably painfog.

Well that's a naff result

VOTE: Freddy

Pressure here is good I think, UNOwen is my other option currently.

Good vote though.

thanks

I present you with: some of my reads. composed while I'm space braining on my new meds

Taylor - TL, randomly defensive, seems to be sticking to guns. Smart enough to not create those specific associative tells imo.

Noraa - SL, can't forgive the over-defensiveness earlier and response to drilled, have considered play since and downgraded.
UNOwen - scum. Previous post details this somewhere.

Mush - Town - seems proactive
Lady - Town - want to see more from her, and hope she's well soon <3

Shelly - TL, slot doesn't sit well with me on interactions still but the response to the hurt seemed genuine to me.

MC - Not sure, overconfident in reads.

Pooky - SL, slot isn't sitting well with me, seems to be mostly shitposting and taunting.
Lapsa - SL, What the smeg even is this slot.
Theta - Null Seems rather middle of the road to me.
Fred - scum. Zden was lean, freds entrance was... well I had to triple check when they came in because it's like they were always here, and its 3 straight in at taylor.
Bell - TL. Reads well to me. Should probably go look at the points made against them at some point.
Fidget - Honestly, haven't been paying attention.
Gloria - See above.
Adorable - Forgot about them

There's things that I really don't like here, including a null on me, a TR on shelly, a scum lean on Noraa, and an UNO SR. But the read on Fred is still good, never wavered like shelly did.

Justification as given, relative reads bolded for convenience

if Fred was really town I’d say fidget/Taylor/uno/noraa/flea the magician is the solve.

Including Flea here is also interesting. 4953 is a real push too it seems.

Not really, it's about this time people were starting to SR me. I'm devastated I missed the shelly death tunnel though. Part of my reread included remembering there was no follow up on this. I'm pretty sure town would prompt me. Titus has failed to follow through on something and Nora did kinda follow up on bits.

Bell: conflicted on shelly
also Bell: shellyc is scum

bell what do you think about the flea slot? can you read the iso and tell me what you think

I feel like these associations are pointing towards flea town now

yay?

shellyc, Flea The Magician, Adorable and Gloria Cleary.

This is post conf scum, so wifom, but I also feel like this points towards flea town

Of course this is all ignoring that flea's play hasn't really advanced the town win con that much and I disagree with a lot of the reads.

I'm glad you disagree ^_^

shellyc

,

Flea The Magician

,

Adorable

and

Gloria Cleary.

GTH colouring

Shelly isn't on the way out here, I don't think she busses flea like this when no one else is really pressuring the slot.

I want to point out Shellys enthusiasm for "The rule of 3" - a list of 3 or more given, there is at least 1 scum. Hey she was right

I like when my gut is right. I should listen to it more...
still curious what info you were wanting from me Noraa. *shrugs*

Amma re-read shelly and fidget.

My gut doesn't like them.

And I'm still convinced VOTE: UNOwen is a good move.

This is why I've been thinking about flea being scum but the associations otherwise are probably +town for flea.

I like my gut reads on people ^_^

It would be really interesting if all of these pairings were just wifom on Fred‘s part. I think that all of the evidence either suggests either Shelley > Fidget > Flea if she’s scum or Fidget > Flea if she’s town.

Want to elaborate on how I'm connected in here plz?

While I'm here, VOTE: ShellyC which clears teh way for the Noraammer.

This is weird though considering Flea is TRing shelly. Maybe I am underestimating Flea's scum game. I think this slot goes at some point, but also not the shot for today.

I had reread shelly as I believe I mentioned in an earlier post, largely due to the consensus SR on her and I wanted to be sure I was right. So I re-read. Rereading with a clear mind [for once], the amdram around the hurt tag, the meta is bad - but consider meta! defence, general all-over-the-placeness of her and seemingly wanting to be chaotic but failing attitude didn't sit right with me.

[Flea The Magician]

I think these are fair responses, what is your solve right now though?

From my POV I am looking at Titus/Goofball and one of {Flea, Pooky, Fidget}

I'm at Fidget, Titus and DGB.

[Flea The Magician]

I just noticed, is Titus missing from that list?

Yeah nobody noticed. Even when Titus pointed it out. I'd love to say it was done deliberately, but I realised shortly after I'd missed a player [whoo meds brain] and thought stuff it lets roll with it

[Flea The Magician]

Assuming shellys rule of 3 she was so keen on, it's either taylor or fidget.

taylors a pretty solid TR for the majority of people here.

[Flea The Magician]

Assuming shellys rule of 3 she was so keen on, it's either taylor or fidget.

taylors a pretty solid TR for the majority of people here.

NO. Taylor is town. Fidget is town. I will not have it otherwise.

For sheer shiggles, pick 1, taylor, noraa, uno, fidget.

[Flea The Magician]

Right. Which is why making it so no one can second-guess it is /very/ important.

PEDIT: What part of "mad god" did you miss, DGB?

I'm just going to ignore you from now on.

She's not going to be around much longer, you should worship the mad god and pray for mercy. Who knows, she might even listen

[Flea The Magician]

FTR if everyones happy with Mush's POE and townblock I'm game for this.

[Flea The Magician]

Ooooh theres a LARP? What the kit brief like?

[Flea The Magician]

Flea is pinging my scumdar right now. The MUSH fawning comes across as awkward.

Would you rather me fawn over you?

[Flea The Magician]

Flea is pinging my scumdar right now. The MUSH fawning comes across as awkward.

Would you rather me fawn over you?

Lol DGB is jealous of the attention queen mush is getting. That aside, I still think ur scummy. I mean, I agree with what DGB is saying. ur acting very unnatural and ..... slightly fake. Then I also am taking this with a grain of salt bc DGB's prolly scum.

I'm genuinely just an entity of chaos

[Flea The Magician]

Maybe you need to make an alt called Flea the Chaos or Chaos the Flea

Nah, I'll just use my [Waltz of the Wind <3 / Chaos] attack.

[Flea The Magician]

seriously though, whats the consensus on

Horae

Mushs townblock/POE?

[Flea The Magician]

Boil down your reads for me I'm aware you think I'm scummy because I'm lurky and dont seem genuine, what else? and what on adorbs - a player who's lurked way more than me, whats your reasoning there?

[Flea The Magician]

Adorable has been less present in the thread than you but each of her interactions seem pretty genuine. I really dont think there's been much interactions with you that pinged either way but Adorbs had a lot of angry OMGUS moments.

Sooooo... because adorable got angry and because I've just been chill, I'm the scum read? o.o

[Flea The Magician]

Boy, I sure am glad I have a lot of time to hold onto this scroll, because I need to argue bad ideas out of town and stop DGB from getting townread off of a nice pleasant personality in the meantime. In fact, I think this might help: HURT: DGB

Titus is more worrisome, but DGB has more potential to recover. Titus has try-harded her very best this game and look what happened. DGB? Gee, that's some risk. Do not like that risk. I need to keep bad ideas out of town's head before I can trust them to deal with that.

You're currently the dayvig, you ain't scrolling anyone.

[Flea The Magician]

Because she obviously isn’t going to scroll Titus or she would push for Mush to scroll Titus.

I'm ignoring MUSH, MUSH can do whatever the hell she wants.

I'm just saying Titus is my first choice. If MUSH chickens out, I'll do it.

As evidenced by her not realising she's been scrolled. lol.

Though at this point, its more like outright denial.

[Flea The Magician]

As much as I agree with Taylor, this is entertaining af. DGB is even ignoring things people are quoting from MUSH's posts

[Flea The Magician]

Either that or DGB's confessing and using the maf's dayvig shot lol

[Flea The Magician]

As evidenced by her not realising she's been scrolled. lol.

I've been scrolled? Ah. OK.

Well, near enough You've been marked as the intended target for the scroll.

[Flea The Magician]

As much as I agree with Taylor, this is entertaining af. DGB is even ignoring things people are quoting from MUSH's posts

Titus: DGB is lockscum, Lim Tayl0r.
DGB: Titus is confiscum. Kill someone other than her or me, preferably Flea, who is pinging me.

It’s like a comedy of Kamikaze scum here.

Yeah this is a stretch... DGBs last read of me was null. You comparing DGB to Zdenk stinks a bit too, I point you to my own reads list people seem to love to hate, where I open stated I'd not been paying attention to slots.

People should be questioning their town reads of you after these.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm fine with this, assuming I take the scroll last on PoE I'll be hitting Gloria if I'm able to.

[Flea The Magician]

Gloria does seem to be stirring the pot tbf.

[Flea The Magician]

Oh I'm still convinced DGB is the right call, I'm just suspecting Gloria a bit now, it's like beating a dead horse at this point and really grasping at straws.


@GLoria, I pointed out why. You're attacked a clearly doomed slot, with some shitty evidence, some of which can be applied to me which is absolute BS.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm happy going with the PoE list and again, given I'm at the bottom, Ill pass to Gloria. It should be over by that time, however.

[Flea The Magician]

No dont pass to gloria

We follow Mush's PoE, if the game isn't over by the time it reaches me, we're out of the PoE and it means there's scum deep in somewhere. my suspicion at that point would be gloria.

[Flea The Magician]

You misspelled “town” and you were talking to her but instead of trying to persuade her to give the scroll to Titus, you asked to give the scroll to her tomorrow.

Unlike you I don't have a scum PT filling me in on the mechanics.

ur indirectly suggesting to mush to not kill Titus today. Is there a difference between you scrolling Titus and mush scrolling Titus?

Nora said it best.

Flea ffs! READ.

read yourself. The PoE process takes out every single questionable slot. By the time it comes to me, my suspicions would be you or fidget assuming the game isn't over at that stage.

[Flea The Magician]

What even is your goal at this point Gloria? DGB is dead here, Titus is #1 tomorrow, then we follow PoE.

[Flea The Magician]

it doesn't matter, they're both scrollbait.

DGB is scrolled, Titus is down tomorrow.

You were beating a dead horse with a shoddy stick. This is why I'm suspecting you at this point, we follow PoE - game should be over. If it isn't, then my suspicion is on you and fidget, what are you failing to understand at this point?

[Flea The Magician]

"this slot is to me the scummiest in the game and you guys are probably being taken in by a high school level psychology game"

...said the LARP

Please stop using LARP as an insult... My many characters are starting to get upset

[Flea The Magician]

Dgb if town could you go into a reason for Gloria sr that won’t get you ignored.

Do I even have time? I'm not gonna wall post just to find the thread locked.

Nightless, we don't lock. Just hope Hectic isn't online to call it.

[Flea The Magician]

Gloria you're far too heated, you gotta learn some chill

[Flea The Magician]

what's done is done, all we can do now is wait for hectic, see the flips, and follow PoE


Pedit: They

[Flea The Magician]

Oh please do adorbs <3 I'd love to see a case that isn't "You're lurky!" or "You don't seem genuine!" or "Your reads are weird!"

[Flea The Magician]

We've got our PoE and assuming mush and the mostly consensus PoE is followed as it should be, I'm going down regardless.

[Flea The Magician]

We're in twilight ya know, these votes won't be counting.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: flea

</3

[Flea The Magician]

Gloria you're far too heated, you gotta learn some chill

No, I’m actually not. I just catch logical inconsistencies and don’t let wifom dissuade me, like for example: Titus insisting that scum bussed then calling DGB lockscum when she was the hammer or her asking Noraa for read on me to sort Fidget. That’s another Titus scumtell: contradicting herself.

Also Titus claims to hate meta but then keeps referencing The Trials. So I ISO’d DGB in the Antechamber game and Titus meta argument on DGB made sense but her meta argument on Tayl0r did not.

Both Pooky and Titus pushed Tayl0r. The difference was that from Pooky pov, his reason was actually believable but Titus otoh, straight up made shit up about Tayl0r’s play here.

You're still beating a dead horse here. And youre being pretty inconsistent yourself, you're grasping at straws before this post.

Seriously, chill. we got what we gotta do

[Flea The Magician]

You're more than capable of building a decent case, you've been doing it pretty well. Suddenly you're putting a shoddy panic case together and beating a dead horse grasping at straws, which you've then seemingly abandoned.

Doesn't matter anyway at this point.

[Flea The Magician]

This is where you got cruddy.

I have paid Adorable ZERO attention. It's like that player slot isn't even in the game

. Maybe I should iso it.

So... not finding anything from Adorable that strikes me as scummy, so it's only posting frequency. Weak sauce.

Again, you've proven yourself capable of building decent cases. this case also applies to me, I open said i'd forgot adorable existed, and said I'd not paid attention to other slots. You've not pushed this at all, and abandoned it.

Who is Titus?

As much as I agree with Taylor, this is entertaining af. DGB is even ignoring things people are quoting from MUSH's posts

Titus: DGB is lockscum, Lim Tayl0r.
DGB: Titus is confiscum. Kill someone other than her or me, preferably Flea, who is pinging me.

It’s like a comedy of Kamikaze scum here.

DGB Never had me as an option, the only read she ever provided on me that I'm aware of is I'm null and lurker. You've literally put words in her mouth here as far as I'm concerned. You can do better than this. Again, also abandoned.

No apologies, no follow up, just lost and forgotten

This is why if the game isn't over by the time the scroll gets to me, as per mush's poe, I will be aiming for you [or fidget]. This is some seriously questionable effort from you, especially after the point where we can't do anything but wait for Hectic.

[Flea The Magician]

eugh, EBWOP to fix quotes...

This is where you got cruddy.

I have paid Adorable ZERO attention. It's like that player slot isn't even in the game

. Maybe I should iso it.

So... not finding anything from Adorable that strikes me as scummy, so it's only posting frequency. Weak sauce.

Who is Titus?

Again, you've proven yourself capable of building decent cases. this case also applies to me, I open said i'd forgot adorable existed, and said I'd not paid attention to other slots. You've not pushed this at all, and abandoned it.

As much as I agree with Taylor, this is entertaining af. DGB is even ignoring things people are quoting from MUSH's posts

Titus: DGB is lockscum, Lim Tayl0r.
DGB: Titus is confiscum. Kill someone other than her or me, preferably Flea, who is pinging me.

It’s like a comedy of Kamikaze scum here.

DGB Never had me as an option, the only read she ever provided on me that I'm aware of is I'm null and lurker. You've literally put words in her mouth here as far as I'm concerned. You can do better than this. Again, also abandoned.

No apologies, no follow up, just lost and forgotten

This is why if the game isn't over by the time the scroll gets to me, as per mush's poe, I will be aiming for you [or fidget]. This is some seriously questionable effort from you, especially after the point where we can't do anything but wait for Hectic.

[Flea The Magician]

Catching up quickly.

[smoiler=]

This is where you got cruddy.

I have paid Adorable ZERO attention. It's like that player slot isn't even in the game

. Maybe I should iso it.

So... not finding anything from Adorable that strikes me as scummy, so it's only posting frequency. Weak sauce.

Again, you've proven yourself capable of building decent cases. this case also applies to me, I open said i'd forgot adorable existed, and said I'd not paid attention to other slots. You've not pushed this at all, and abandoned it.

Who is Titus?

As much as I agree with Taylor, this is entertaining af. DGB is even ignoring things people are quoting from MUSH's posts

Titus: DGB is lockscum, Lim Tayl0r.
DGB: Titus is confiscum. Kill someone other than her or me, preferably Flea, who is pinging me.

It’s like a comedy of Kamikaze scum here.

DGB Never had me as an option, the only read she ever provided on me that I'm aware of is I'm null and lurker. You've literally put words in her mouth here as far as I'm concerned. You can do better than this. Again, also abandoned.

No apologies, no follow up, just lost and forgotten

This is why if the game isn't over by the time the scroll gets to me, as per mush's poe, I will be aiming for you [or fidget]. This is some seriously questionable effort from you, especially after the point where we can't do anything but wait for Hectic.

[/spoiler]

None of this makes me remotely scummy and I didn’t abandon anything. So, okay taken, DGB saying she forgot Adorable was in the game might not mean anything about Adorable. Of my PoE, she is the one I’m least confident on, which is why I want Titus tomorrow.

You’re take on me is seriously bad, if you think I’d be defending you as scum here. All you’re accomplishing with this is making me paranoid about you, which is seriously not wise if you’re town, which I still think you are but this isn’t helping at all and I can understand why Tayl0r and Noraa are suspicious of you. And if you’re town and you do wind up being in a position to give me the scroll, you will be killing a townie.

It made you questionable outside of the PoE. Stop exaggerating things seriously. You're the most sus OUTSIDE of the PoE block.

[Flea The Magician]

I said earlier I would make my case on why I think Flea is scum.

wow thats a hell of a defence to what was basically thought streaming my way through ISO posts shelly. Haven't even looked at you properly yet [3 pages behind at this post]

The smiley face at the end looks like scum who is talking to their scum buddy.

Well that's a naff result

VOTE: Freddy

Pressure here is good I think, UNOwen is my other option currently.

This vote came from nowhere and this was the first time Flea mentioned this slot. Flea is the fifth voter on the wagon and this looked like a bus. The sad face they put at the end looked like scum who is sorry for bussing their scum buddy.

I like when my gut is right. I should listen to it more...
still curious what info you were wanting from me Noraa. *shrugs*

Amma re-read shelly and fidget.

My gut doesn't like them.

And I'm still convinced VOTE: UNOwen is a good move.

Flea said they liked when their gut is right and when I looked through their iso I wasn't able to find Flea say their gut read on Fred.

oof over 100 posts behind.
Give up Shelly, you ain't reclaiming that title.

Eugh I just realised this means I need to take unowen back to null at least

Said they put UNOwen on null which looks like Flea wanted to make room for more mislynch option.

seriously though, whats the consensus on

Horae

Mushs townblock/POE?

Feels like they are posting for the sake of posting and why does Flea even feel the need to say this when mush has already talked about the poe?

I'm happy going with the PoE list and again, given I'm at the bottom, Ill pass to Gloria. It should be over by that time, however.

So wait a minute, it looks like Flea is saying here they know I will flip town and will pass the scroll next to Gloria after my flip since mush said she wanted me to be before Flea.

What the actual smeg is this? An attempt to derail the PoE *gasp!*
Amazingly grasping at straws and taking me out of context.
My gut doesnt read everyone, and I don't articulate EVERY gut read anyway.
The UNOwen bit is the only bit that's actually feasible. [Which given UNO was conf at that point *shrug* ]

We're both getting scrolled anyways adorbs, just accept fate <3

[Flea The Magician]

i really wanna scroll pooky. but its probably wrong.

ill do fidget or more likely flea.

Stick to the PoE, either do the next on the list or me.

[Flea The Magician]

feeling impulsive so VOTE: flea

did we win?

I'm fine with this, and no because I believe 1) it's still twilight and 2) for what little it's worth, I'm town.

[Flea The Magician]

feeling impulsive so VOTE: flea

did we win?

If not we likely will tomorrow, so we’ll see. I would have preferred to see if Flea would change her read on me before you voted and reaction tested her with a HURT tag but if she’s town, then it’s probably Adorable.

You mean my "Town, but sus if the game isn't over by PoE" read?

[Flea The Magician]

I'd be shocked if it's anyone besides Flea. Please don't bap me, tayl0r >x3

I'm essentially certain on Pooky, Bell, Murderkitty, and of course, Noraa.

Very near that strength with Gloria. Adorable a little lower.

The only thing I entertain a little bit is that UNOwen, shelly and Titus all conspired to hard-bus each other as a tactic. But I doubt it. I like UNOwen too.

I look forward to your shock Alright I'm caught up, I'm going to dig out Mushys POE so you nerds don't forget it.

[Flea The Magician]

Titus (90% scum)

DGB (90% scum)

Adorable (60% scum)

Tayl0r (40% scum)

Flea (35% scum)

You MUST vote Adorable tomorrow.

[Flea The Magician]

I should've made Taylor green, Titus jumping over Adorable kinda makes her clear and puts Adorbs firmly in buddy territory.

[Flea The Magician]

So wait a minute, it looks like Flea is saying here they know I will flip town and will pass the scroll next to Gloria after my flip since mush said she wanted me to be before Flea.

I'm bored and I want to entertain this because it's hilarious.

Lets assume I am scum.
1)PoE has already eliminated 2 scum, there's 1 buddy left.
2)If I'm last, that's me! Meaning....
3)There's no scroll going to Gloria.
4)You're still getting scrolled.
5)Scum have lost anyway, my best option at this point is to attempt to derail PoE - which is playing exactly into what Mushy said scum would do because they'd have to if it was true.



Oh noes I scum slipped I said "is to" not "would be to"

[Flea The Magician]

If you're town, then I think you're probably right on it being Adorbs. There are more reasons to like UNOwen by far, and I don't foresee it being Gloria. Are there really any candidates outside of there?

If Tayl0r takes her time then I'll look over you and Adorbs again tomorrow, because why not. My reasons for townreading her could be better.

Genuinely, there's no "looking over us."

We are to be scrolled, there's no two ways about it.

If PoE ends and the game is still going, it means the town block is infiltrated.

[Flea The Magician]

No, but me and adorbs are the last two in the PoE. Once we've been scrolled then it's all open.

Anything else at this point is an attempt to derail. I'm happy being scrolled as part of this, provided the list is followed through on and Adorbs is next.

[Flea The Magician]

Taylors stated intent to scoll me, reviewing me at this stage is pointless until you see my flip, lets be honest.

After taylor scrolls me, Adorable is the only person left in PoE, and should be scrolled immediately.

I don't believe this will leave PoE as I'm 100% that adorable is the last scum. Titus' pass skipped over Adorable and directly to Taylor, indicating that Adorable is the last scum to me.

Freds vote there was theatre aimed at framing you and clearing adorable, that's clear to me now.

There should be NO reevaluation of anything, frankly. The path is set.

[Flea The Magician]

Mushy is a goddess of chaos, what makes you think shed approve of anything?

[Flea The Magician]

wow someones really keen and suddenly super active...

Not even rebutting my rebuttal of her case...

but instead ATTACKING my post saying the elims are set... several times!

You're adorable, adorable <3

[Flea The Magician]

Also yes, should scum [by some miracle] not be dead today, I insist that I wake up with the scroll in my hands tomorrow, as the last in the PoE.

[Flea The Magician]

One imposter left...

I can scan.

[Flea The Magician]

You need to see the video of the dog that yeets a kitten

[Flea The Magician]

Wasn't a kitten, was a smol doggo. Still funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykV8TT6Z5bM

[Flea The Magician]

I'm at L-2, I'm not self voting because town wincon.

There is a deepwolf.

My suspicions at this point at Fidget.

Make your cases.

[Flea The Magician]

gg.

Too early, and everyones up for suspicion at this point.

Gloria and Fidget, I especially wanna hear from you two.

[Flea The Magician]

Then give me your suspicions on whom I should hit

[Flea The Magician]

Awww I got promoted from Traitor to the crown <3

Gimme a target pookybear!

[Flea The Magician]

Noraa, dont hammer unless you're happy we can work this out in 2 days.

Pooky I'm doomed to read this scroll and begin my decent into madness, i know I'm town, the PoE is over and we're still 1 scum missing. Tell me who you're thinking <3

MC, because she was on PoE and titus being titus.

[Flea The Magician]

Oooo here's a fun idea, who's clear and why?

Just so I have it all in one place and I'm lazy and can't be bothered going back and checking.

I'm scrolled regardless, and honestly I'm half tempted to selfhammer just because Nora clearly loves dogs more than cats.

[Flea The Magician]

Not before I've had mine, I am an emissary of Chaos, after all...

[Flea The Magician]

I'm the last in the PoE, I was getting scrolled regardless. I would not have accepted anything else.

If I was scum, derailing this wagon and trying to talk people off it would've been my only play, otherwise I'm against my wincon.

Also I'm not one for screwing around, I am definitely town.

Now I'm officially scrolled, I want who you all think is clear, and the justification.

Nobody is exempt.

There is reason to my shenanigans.

HURT: Fidget for the hammer steal and denying talk time.

[Flea The Magician]

Also, They/Them for me please.

Fae/Faer if you're feeling generous <3

[Flea The Magician]

Hey I was her cleric, gotta keep the chaos reign ^_^

[Flea The Magician]

Also I'm lazy.

[Flea The Magician]

Also I'm lazy.

Already gave my Poe,
it's not changing.

Only passing cause I'm obvious town. <3 If you're not obvious town, please answer flea's question.

Ah but obvtown should be answering this too, the obvtown and confirmed people should be helping confirm each other

[Flea The Magician]

Bell and Noraa are clear from my POV

Why?

[Flea The Magician]

I'm off to bed, I expect justifications on peoples townreads waiting for me and appropriate discussion by the time I wake up.

Cya in about 12 hours.

pedit: Doesn't matter if your reads have changed or not, the town at this point is looking at consuming itself. You need to be questioning your reads and making absolutely certain you're completely confident in them.

[Flea The Magician]

And there's no PoE left Nora, I'm the last one in it.

This is why we're building a new one.

PEDIT: Hurt tags aren't final, you know that right?

[Flea The Magician]

So I go sleep after I ask for information....

I get two refusals...

Not much else...

And someone so desperate for the scroll she's practically chewing on it...

Great town play peeps.

[Flea The Magician]

who do you think is clear, and why? challenge your own town reads and do so publicly. Information hoarding at this point, is pointless. I do not want to scroll town intentionally so they can get a power trip.

HURT: Bell

[Flea The Magician]

speaking of power trips... lol

[Flea The Magician]

The PoE removed you due to obvtowning, and mushs instructions post-poe was to look at gloria, who also started obvtowning.

Gloria is the one practically chewing on the scroll, and is clearly attempting to get me to hand it to her so she can power trip. If we can hit scum, I'd rather hit scum. I do not intend to hit town as that's playing against wincon if I go "sod it, here you go gloria. have fun."

Hell the scum put more effort in than that.

[Flea The Magician]

The point at this stage is town needs to cannibalise itself. There's a deepwolf.

This is why I'm telling people to criticise their reads and do so publicly so holes can be found, questions raised and discussion is stirred. Hopefully forcing scum to slip up.

[Flea The Magician]

I've literally reset every single read of mine to null since day start. I'm judging you all on interactions now.

Some are fairing better than others.

[Flea The Magician]

Arrogance doesn't suit you bell

This isn't stirring discussion.

[Flea The Magician]

Thing is bell, you've got this great solve by PoE, you've supposedly gone through your reads twice and challenged them yourself.

But what about letting others challenge your reasoning? What if others see something you've missed?


I can promise you if I was scum, I would have conceded and congratulated town on the win. If I was scum this would frankly be cruel. There's better ways to amuse myself, like Binding of Isaac, Among Us, and several other games.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm dead by then. At best I have while Tuesday.

Go rest! sleep is important for interviews! good luck <3

[Flea The Magician]

[h]Gloria[/h]

Lets have some fun.

[Flea The Magician]

EBOWP

HURT: Gloria

Lets have some fun.

[Flea The Magician]

Sweet, means I'm now Conftown.
HURT: Gloria

Now can we have the serious discussions please?

[Flea The Magician]

*Bows before the Queen*
I shall do the utmost to perform my assigned duties, my Queen.
For The Queen, The Kingdom, and our Glorious Goddess of Chaos and Death!

[Flea The Magician]

Wasn't PoE I was asking for

[Flea The Magician]

They have been noted though

[Flea The Magician]

HURT: Fidget
Oops ^_^ [Yes I am that mean.] I don't get why you want the scroll so badly Gloria, why not just help me work out who to hit. Should be clear who I'm thinking though.


Noraa, is MC in your town block? Who would you take down out of the rest?

[Flea The Magician]

Break it down for me gloria, c'mon gurl wheres your mind at?

[Flea The Magician]

Honestly, my call at the moment is to go Fidget > Gloria/UNOwen.

Freds hurt switch is still in my mind, and gloria seems far too damn keen to have this scroll. UNOwens refusal to locktown Noraa matches the scum MO this game.

[Flea The Magician]

You are laughably bad at this game.

Oh well do accept my most gracious apologises that my ability to play this game pales in sheer comparison you obviously godlike ability. Please, I beg of you to forgive me for my substandard ability to hunt scum, find town, derive logical inconsistencies, exaggerate cases. I humbly apologise for the number of barriers I face in communication and interaction, the fibromyalgia and medication that clouds my vision and stops me playing as much as I'd want to.

VOTE: Gloria
Go for it. be the town hero, I'm out. Personal attackers and elitists belong in the bin.

[Flea The Magician]

You know something, I thought maybe I overreacted and was just having a cruddy mental health day so come back to try and salvage a bit, then I find this.

I feel really bad now that I upset Flea though. That’s the one thing that will take away from hopefully town victory scroll.

I did it in part to hopefully piss them off into giving it to me.

You intentionally acted to piss me off, you intentionally withheld information from me and wasn't discussing crap with me, you just want the scroll so you can be the big damned hero. Not only that, you then GLOATED that my "read" was wrong.

As far as I'm concerned, you've played against WinCon. You've actively worked against the town so you can have your moment of power.

I'm thoroughly out at this stage. Your apologies are not accepted, nor wanted.

You are laughably bad at this game.

Oh well do accept my most gracious apologises that my ability to play this game pales in sheer comparison you obviously godlike ability. Please, I beg of you to forgive me for my substandard ability to hunt scum, find town, derive logical inconsistencies, exaggerate cases. I humbly apologise for the number of barriers I face in communication and interaction, the fibromyalgia and medication that clouds my vision and stops me playing as much as I'd want to.

VOTE: Gloria
Go for it. be the town hero, I'm out. Personal attackers and elitists belong in the bin.

[Flea The Magician]

Guess I'm a glutton for punishment, or just trying to be nice...

As town, you were actively asking for me, conftown, to hand you the scroll so you could wield the power of mush.

Your persistence in getting the scroll from me and not doing anything really to help soured my read of you SLIGHTLY. You were still a town read, you were sowing doubt in my mind. I had a fleeting thought once or twice of a scum gambit.

I made my thoughts on the matter known, you made a personal attack.

I got pissed, as was your intent, and handed you the scroll you so desperately wanted. Your actions directly reduced one shot we had at finding scum.

Your apology was noticed, but not accepted. You have acted maliciously so you can simply play with the game mechanics yourself. I have no intention of playing any further games with you, and will /out any game I find myself in with you.

The foundation of good and civil gameplay and of a good player is to attack the argument and position, not the player. Your elitism and gloating are toxic attributes.

[Flea The Magician]

Given Gloria has the scroll, that's not an option for her. I will return postgame. Maybe.

[Flea The Magician]

Yeah, I did want it because unlike you, I’d actually take out someone who might be scum. You are laughably bad at this game.

This is an attack, it is aimed at me.
I am not obligated to accept your apology. I don't believe you are sincere. This is reflection on me, not you. I've been burned too often in life to accept apologies without action.
In my being mean, I have attacked your attack, your motivations, and your play as a result. I then called out toxic behaviors.
You did not attack my read on you, you attacked me.
The whole problem with this game stage is everyone except me, is a townread. Your behavior was questionable at best, and instead of providing information and working with me/town, you insisted you be scrolled.
Congratulations, you have been scrolled.
You then gloat that my "read was laughably bad" and pulled an "I told you so".
Mush even said after PoE you were one to look at with extreme prejudice.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: Notes I gathered from my scroll phase

# Death Curse

|S| Player |T|
|-|---------|-|
|1| Pooky |2|
|1| Fidget |0|
|1| Gloria |2|
|0| Bell |2|
|0| Noraa |2|
|0| Murder |2|


Bell - Shelly VS Bell [TvS]. - solid read
Noraa - Attempted miselim constantly. Tunneled into oblivion by Shelly.


Gloria - Thought same as Noraa
Murder - Big contribution on taking out scum.

pooky - Apathetic, wouldn't be scum.


Bell solve: Pooky/Fidget [MC/Nora/Bell IC]

Spoiler: My Final Verdict

Hit Fidget.

[Flea The Magician]

Yeah, I did want it because unlike you, I’d actually take out someone who might be scum. You are laughably bad at this game.

This is an attack, it is aimed at me.
I am not obligated to accept your apology. I don't believe you are sincere. This is reflection on me, not you. I've been burned too often in life to accept apologies without action.
In my being mean, I have attacked your attack, your motivations, and your play as a result. I then called out toxic behaviors.
You did not attack my read on you, you attacked me.
The whole problem with this game stage is everyone except me, is a townread. Your behavior was questionable at best, and instead of providing information and working with me/town, you insisted you be scrolled.
Congratulations, you have been scrolled.
You then gloat that my "read was laughably bad" and pulled an "I told you so".
Mush even said after PoE you were one to look at with extreme prejudice.

I was specifically referring to your use of the scroll which I have since retreated which you persist in failing to acknowledge. You are now basically calling me a liar because you are insisting I am being disingenuous when I’m not and I’m really getting annoyed that you’re still attacking me even after I retracted what I said and sincerely apologized. You are not required to accept it but you ARE requesting to stop throwing it in my face and accuse me of lying about it and to stop slandering me.

The quote speaks for itself.

[Flea The Magician]

At no point have you directly retracted the comment. [That I've seen.] An apology does not retract the comment, and while I do believe you were not completely malicious in intent, the intent was still to piss me off.

I say stupid stuff regularly. I do not attack people, however. There was a line, and it was crossed. The best thing you can do, is learn from it and not make that mistake again, and accept on this occasion, the mistake cannot be rectified and move on.

[Flea The Magician]

UNOwen was not mentioned at all in a way that was worth noting, which is why my scroll order was Fidget > UNOwen.

[Flea The Magician]

At no point have you directly retracted the comment. [That I've seen.] An apology does not retract the comment, and while I do believe you were not completely malicious in intent, the intent was still to piss me off.

I say stupid stuff regularly. I do not attack people, however. There was a line, and it was crossed. The best thing you can do, is learn from it and not make that mistake again, and accept on this occasion, the mistake cannot be rectified and move on.

I said I retracted that comment. That means, I disavow it. What more do you want?

The best thing you can do, is learn from it and not make that mistake again, and accept on this occasion, the mistake cannot be rectified and move on.

[Flea The Magician]

That's exactly the thing, we don't know each other.
I don't take attacks from anyone, I've walked away from friends who've made cheap shots with the intent to get me wound up.
So I'm sure you can then understand why I refuse to take that from someone I've hardly interacted with.

[Flea The Magician]

Those were the notes I'd gathered from asking people to publically challenge town reads. I justified the scroll order at the time.

[Flea The Magician]

People fuck up, yes. They/I apologise, we whine, we moan, we move on. Look at the pronoun issue. I've seen it happen here a few times but only had to raise it once. Nora [bless her] looked like she had a meltdown at one point over it.

Then there's attacks...

People have attacked me all to often, apologised, and done the same cruddy again move later on, apologised, and repeat. This is why I'm no mercy on this stuff. I've been burned all too often. To the point of mental illness, actually.


On a game note, follow your gut. It tells you things for a reason.

[Flea The Magician]

Side note: Pronouns please

[Flea The Magician]

Btw @Flea, that is precisely what I meant by “told you so”,

that I’m town

. I’m under the impression that was misconstrued to mean something else by multiple people, so it obviously wasn’t “gloating”.

You're still at this...
You taunt me into giving you the scroll, then rub it in that my ever so slightly suspicious read of you from wanting the scroll from the moment I have it, was wrong.

Honestly at this point, just get in the bin. I've given you opportunity to show you're a better person, I've attempted to move onwards, I've passed over the wrong pronoun usage as accidental instead of it being a microaggression with friendly reminder, I've moved on from it... and you're still at it.

[Flea The Magician]

I have some IRL experience, and my usual group is full of actors and LARPers, we played in person. This format is much, much different to what I'm used to.

Moderating the games was fun, I hope to bring some of the weird and wonderful flavour from the IRL games to here eventually.

[Flea The Magician]

Calling it as I see and feel it.

At no point is any of that an attack, except for "You're still at this/it" and "get in the bin."

I have accused you of nothing in that post.