Micro 975: The Shape of Water [END]

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Creature

I know nothing about this theme but apparently it’s about some sort of creature so we start by voting out the Creature.

[Alchemist21]

Yeah, not sure how Gamma got that wrong.

But I don’t think scum Gamma would willfully misinterpret a post then push it with bad articulation this early in the game.

[Alchemist21]

Vote creature

Classic scum creature not posting.

~Venus

Btw if y’all are going by Sailor Scout names when you sign you should probably still post a guide of who’s who.

[Alchemist21]

But would I push it with bad articulation after unintentionally misinterpreting it as scum? Because that’s the facts of what happened.

It’s slightly more likely but still doubtful. Unless you felt some

need

to make an early push and started grasping at something I don’t really see the scum motivation there.

[Alchemist21]

But would I push it with bad articulation after unintentionally misinterpreting it as scum? Because that’s the facts of what happened.

It’s slightly more likely but still doubtful. Unless you felt some

need

to make an early push and started grasping at something I don’t really see the scum motivation there.

You think it's more likely he misinterpreted it as scum rather than town, why? I think it's as likely in either case.

Unless the case is one of those solid iron ones. I mean, sure, they're good for security and sound proofing, but they weigh waaay too much.

~pun

No, I think it’s more likely that scum Gamma genuinely misinterpreted the post than scum gamma willfully misinterpreted it.

[Alchemist21]

btw im grumpy and like being left alone at night. anyone who disturbs my sleep will be told to fuck off.

Need a door sign that reads “DO NOT DISTURB. VIOLATORS WILL BE SHOT.”

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: taylor

Explain this vote.

[Alchemist21]

well that made the vote wayyyy more fun

I can kinda see that with this part of the post, but the rest of their posts make me think that’s just how they are.

[Alchemist21]

The other part just looks like “oops didn’t realize it was F-1” worded differently.

[Alchemist21]

so if infinity and punpun are both scum then the game is solved right

even in a boon game, there's no way this is 5v1v1v1 or something extremely stupid like that?

-merc

Signup said this would be a tame game.

[Alchemist21]

Sailor Senshi
Derp
Gamma Emerald
Alchemist21
Tayl0r Swift
Creature
Punpun
Infinity 324

I think I'm approximately here as of this page

I'm letting the other scouts handle voting tho

-merc

Why do you think Infinity is scum?

[Alchemist21]

Why do you think Infinity is scum?

this page

kekeke should have known I'd newpage myself with this post

The best pagetops are always the ones you don’t want. Lol

[Alchemist21]

I don’t think Infinity and Pun are scum together. Between the 2 I think Infinity is scum.

74 feels like scum defending a Townie. The bit of shade on SS in 131 doesn’t sit right with me either.

For punpun, I liked the first head’s reason for voting Infinity. The second head came and reversed the vote because they agreed about Taylor, but I think the second head’s posts as a whole look more genuine and overall more Towny for the slot.

VOTE: Infinity 324

[Alchemist21]

Derp do you have an actual scumread on the Senshi hydra or are you voting it on policy?

[Alchemist21]

It is defensive though. It looks like you were trying to undermine the other person’s read on the slot. I think “hatcheting” is the term Flavor Leaf uses for it. The tone of your post doesn’t seem like you were trying to get a read or a better understanding of Senshi, it seemed more like you were already a bit dismissive of their pun read.

[Alchemist21]

It is defensive though. It looks like you were trying to undermine the other person’s read on the slot. I think “hatcheting” is the term Flavor Leaf uses for it. The tone of your post doesn’t seem like you were trying to get a read or a better understanding of Senshi, it seemed more like you were already a bit dismissive of their pun read.

This was a response to 221.

[Alchemist21]

It is defensive though. It looks like you were trying to undermine the other person’s read on the slot. I think “hatcheting” is the term Flavor Leaf uses for it. The tone of your post doesn’t seem like you were trying to get a read or a better understanding of Senshi, it seemed more like you were already a bit dismissive of their pun read.

thats not how i saw the post tbh. can you explain a bit more? what is hatcheting

I defined it in that post. Trying to undermine someone’s read on a slot. It’s like a more subtle version of chainsaw defending.

[Alchemist21]

Gamma’s vote on me is weird but I think part of it might be overcorrection from our last game where he hard Townread me and I was scum.

[Alchemist21]

Who's scum alchemist?

I have reasons, albeit not always strong ones, to Townread everyone but you, Derp, and Creature so my guess is 2 of that trio.

[Alchemist21]

I dislike Creature's attitude and outlook of the game immensely, but I also think he's town for it.



Alchemist feels kinda of awkward this game. He lacks personality in his posts and he's being pretty formal/serious. I don't know if that's a scumtell for him specifically but I'm too lazy to check right now, and I think overall, it's probably a slightly scummy thing on average. Oh, also, I realise part of this is due to the way Alchemist capitalises "town" and "townread" and terms like that; I've always found that weird and scummy for some reason. I'm trying to filter that part out though and I still get the same general vibes.

VOTE: Alchemist

~pun

Why do I have to see this first thing in the morning? If you scumread me for having a serious tone and capitalizing Town, you’re gonna have a bad time.

[Alchemist21]

ive never mindmelded with scum before,

How long have you been playing Mafia games?

[Alchemist21]

And you’ve never mindmelded with scum?

I find that hard to believe.

[Alchemist21]

thats also a really odd thing to shade me for. regardless of alignment im not gonna lie about that sort of thing.

And you’ve never mindmelded with scum?

I find that hard to believe.

this feels like it was a trap question.

how many games have you played
ETIHER-->wow thats a small sample size you scum!
OR-->wow never? you scummy liar!

I’m not calling you scummy for it. I did expect you to claim a small sample size. With 20-30 games if you’re saying you never mindmelded with scum then there’s some selection bias going on.

[Alchemist21]

im still pretty confident in infinity and punpun town. somewhat confident in derp town. alchemist is the scummiest

VOTE: alchemist

Explain your Derp Townread.

[Alchemist21]

208’s a reasonable stance to have but it’s something scum could fake and use as an excuse to votepark on the slot.

[Alchemist21]

Day 1

Vote Count 1.07

“The movie is a call to acceptance, to love for another.” - del Toro

Alchemist21 [3]:

Punpun, Tayl0r Swift, Infinity 324

Tayl0r Swift [1]:

Gamma Emerald

Infinity 324 [1]:

Alchemist21

Venus and Mars [1]:

derp

Not Voting [2]:

Creature, Venus and Mars


With

8

alive, it takes

5

to

Fade

.

Day 1

ends in

(expired on 2020-11-02 20:00:00)

on

November 2nd.

Mod Notes

: Derp has been prodded.

@derp, why are you still voting us? I know it was an RvS vote but you’ve expressed srs on other slots and with 2 days left, shouldn’t you have switched your vote?

~M

That’s why I don’t think his stance on your slot was Town indicative. Scum derp could be using it as a reason to votepark.

[Alchemist21]

Creature/derp/infinity are all people I’d vote for. Maybe punpun too but there’s a good deal of OMGUS there tbh.

[Alchemist21]

tell me where youre at? what are you feeling beyond creature and omgussing bulge?

Stop bullying me

I'm lost outside of that. I thought Alchemist was scummy because he lacked personality/LIFE. There's not many feelings of scumminess in all of the others.

~pun

And now it’s personal.

Remember how I said I had some OMGUS towards your slot? This isn’t helping.

[Alchemist21]

I have years of experience on this site and about half the people in it have played with me before. What good would “concealing” my personality do?

[Alchemist21]

Convince me that your post calling me scum for capitalizing Town wasn’t just scum seeing if they could get away with bullshit. Convince me that these last few pages aren’t some “baffle them with bullshit” defense.

As for your claim, even if it’s true it could be a scum role.

VOTE: punpun[/b]

P-edit: exactly

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: punpun

[Alchemist21]

My role has no flavor, so you’re either making that part up or the mod was inconsistent with giving flavor roles.

[Alchemist21]

sigh, other PRs will know we're telling the truth, since they're likely also themed

Boon likes to give weird themed roles, this isn't uncommon

~pun

This is blatant role fishing

[Alchemist21]

sigh, other PRs will know we're telling the truth, since they're likely also themed

Boon likes to give weird themed roles, this isn't uncommon

~pun

This is blatant role fishing

ah yes, we're nearly being elimmed and thought this was the best time to rolefish

you are a genius, Alchemist

~pun

It would make the best use of your death for your scum partner.

[Alchemist21]

WAIT THERE IS ONE LAST THING

~pun

[Alchemist21]

I also never see the character called a bunyip on the fan wiki

https://the-shape-of-water.fandom.com/w ... ibian_Man)

Apparently the main character is some Amazon River god while a bunyip is an aboriginal myth.

I don’t see the Shape of Water in this list of pop culture references either
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunyip

So I don’t even know where you’re getting Bunyip from.

[Alchemist21]

Holy shit it’s an actual boon role

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Toonz_Game

I stand corrected about the legitimacy of the claim.

[Alchemist21]

Could be a fakeclaim, could be real but scum, but at least I know they got it from boon.

[Alchemist21]

They might have looked up that it’s a creature that lives in water and made that assumption.

And maybe boon did actually do that because it would be somewhat fitting

[Alchemist21]

I’m not sure he’ll answer that. See rule 26.

[Alchemist21]

No objections from me.

[Alchemist21]

i kinda want creature to go early because i think forcing an early claim there will also be helpful in sorting a null slot. bulge is fine other than that. alchemist should be early too imo.

Bulge claims before me. No exceptions.

[Alchemist21]

I’m a Tracker. Bulge didn’t go anywhere last Night.

[Alchemist21]

Yeah, Taylor can claim next.

[Alchemist21]

What post the crumb?

[Alchemist21]

Ok. Assuming the claim is true, where do we go from here?

Your role has the potential to clear 2 slots and scum can't let that live, and if you die we won't know if you actually targeted scum or not.

[Alchemist21]

Did anything happen in the hood? Is there a reason Taylor didn't mention it in their claim?

[Alchemist21]

Ascetic is stronger for scum and weaker for Town there. As scum neither you nor me could get a guilty on it. As Town, it takes away your roles ability to clear 2 slots.

Aiming to fade scum today and forcing scum to choose between killing you or me would be a better option than shutting down your role utility completely. Of course if Taylor's scum they're the one we need to fade because then scum has no dilemma because Taylor just kills you and shuts us both down.

[Alchemist21]

So "no reason" basically. Gamma flipped neighbor so we know it's there, I just wondered if there was a reason Taylor didn't claim to be a member.

Anyway, I think we're all in agreement on Taylor. I'm pretty much ready to vote there but I still want a solid plan for the Night Actions.

If Infinity targets Bulge and I target Creature, then if Bulge is scum Infinity dies and Creature is cleared then we know Bulge is scum. If Infinity dies but I get a guilty on Creature then Creature can't frame Bulge. This also covers the scenario of Infinity being scum because it forces him to produce a result if he's alive; if Bulge dies and I have a clear on Creature it points right to Infinity as scum.

The only 2 caveats are the existence of a scum ninja or Venus and Mars somehow being scum. For either of those to be true I'd have to be wrong on Taylor anyway.

VOTE: Taylor Swift

[Alchemist21]

Do you seriously think that even makes sense? 2 out of 3 scum in the same hood? Now you’ve got me kind’ve paranoid and wondering if you were distancing with Bulge?

And Infinity/Bulge team doesn't oppose my plan here because a Taylor fade is a win for them anyway.

And 2 scum in a 3p hood isn't impossible. I JUST got out of a game with one.

[Alchemist21]

Do you seriously think that even makes sense? 2 out of 3 scum in the same hood? Now you’ve got me kind’ve paranoid and wondering if you were distancing with Bulge?

And Infinity/Bulge team doesn't oppose my plan here because a Taylor fade is a win for them anyway.

And 2 scum in a 3p hood isn't impossible. I JUST got out of a game with one.

Well that’s definitely unusual. I don’t out the hood if I’m scum with Tayl0r.

I also hard vetoed both yours and Creature wagons D1.

I don’t know what anyone else is but you and Creature are my most confident trs and I will vote for anyone else before either of you. And that was the case on D1, if you’re interested in ISOing me.

~M

I trust you more than anyone else in this game which is why I'm so confident in my plan here.

I'm just saying Infinity's perspective isn't unreasonable and the take doesn't make sense for a Bulge/Infinity team.

[Alchemist21]

Read the very next sentence in that post.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Bulge

Nancy is never scum here.

[Alchemist21]

Was it clear somewhere Nancy is neighbor?

Nancy said Taylor was a Neighbor but Taylor never claimed nor confirmed it, so Nancy would have to be either in the Neighborhood too or scum with Taylor to have known that.

[Alchemist21]

Truth be told I never had the 2nd shot and the plan was just a bluff to get scum to out themselves, and all the reactions are telling enough to know Creature's Town here. As scum he'd have been completely screwed by the plan and wouldn't have so readily gone along with it yesterday as he did, and the fact that this day started with an immediate 1v1 between Bulge and Nancy without anyone waiting to hear the verdict on Creature tells me scum came into this Day expecting him to be hard cleared anyway.

As far as the actual play goes, my multiple games of experience with Nancy makes me sure this is Town Nancy. I know that as scum she's willing to use other players' incorrect meta reads to push a slot she would know better than to scumread as Town, and here she's staunchly Townread both Creature and myself. And for Bulge, his posts towards Nancy today have had the false bravado I'd expect of desperate scum. He knows pushing Nancy is his only shot of winning here. I can appreciate the fight he's putting up but from where I'm standing I just see caught scum.

Why would they start today with a naked vote on me and never engage further? how does this make sense after the night action plan failed to deliver results?

And just to answer this, Nancy has been saying Creature and I are Town this whole time. She was never going to vote anyone else in endgame and acting surprised by it is just part of the act Bulge is selling right now to push Nancy.

[Alchemist21]

And just to answer this, Nancy has been saying Creature and I are Town this whole time. She was never going to vote anyone else in endgame and acting surprised by it is just part of the act Bulge is selling right now to push Nancy.

I was never surprised, I've known it was them since yesterday. Creature and taylor were for sure not partners and his willingness to go along with the plan looks super not-scum as well.

Then why did you say her play doesn't make sense if it wasn't just an attempt to push her today? She made it abundantly clear yesterday who she would vote for in this scenario even without the plan.

[Alchemist21]

Ok that hood better get released to the public after the game because I

need

to read it if every post is like those.

[Alchemist21]

GG everyone.

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist's claim could have been decredited down earlier as well, since they didn't see anything. He didn't claim the 1-shot part of his role, so there was some heat there if something could come out.

That's the risk I knew I was taking with my play, and tbh I was kinda surprised nobody yelled at me when I came clean about being 1-shot. Had I been pushed on it my defense would have been that I claimed a clear at mylo instead of claiming a guilty and going for the win.

[Alchemist21]

Oh and not claiming to be 1-shot started out as just wanting to draw the NK. Things changed after Infinity claimed and I figured scum would never kill me over him.

[Alchemist21]

I wasn't worried about the roleblock because scum already had a flipped ascetic and it doesn't make sense for scum to have both.

In that scenario I don't think much would change. We'd still be coming into the Day with scum believing I'd have a hard clear on Creature because I would see he visited nobody, so scum couldn't push him as the roleblocker, and it comes down to whether we believe infinity's claim of being blocked or not. If we do it likely goes to a Bulge fade anyway, and if we don't we still have the room to misfade and probably have a 3-player endgame of Creature, Bulge, and you. There's room for Bulge to win there given Creature's paranoia of the hood claim, but it's still more likely Town wins that because it would probably play out the same way this Day did.