Micro 975: The Shape of Water [END]

Venus and Mars · Post Post #341 (isolation #0) » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:16 pm

In post 340, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 339, Boonskiies wrote:
Notification
I didn't see Nancy was technically VLA, and since I know Nancy posts the majority out of Venus and Mars, I'm willing to let that VLA go through, so I have a replacement request out, but I won't actively look to replace until November 1st, when her VLA ends. I will be adding 48 hours to the countdown to deal with the empty slot, making the deadline end on November 3rd.
Hi, I’m back now, so please replace Sailor Senshi with Venus and Mars (hydra with me and Shiro), thanks.

I obviously didn’t anticipate this happening, so I didn’t think it necessary to inform you.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #347 (isolation #1) » Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:13 pm

In post 346, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 211, Gamma Emerald wrote:Nancy can you give me a brief collection of your town hydra games? Shiro or anyone else can do it too but I figured I’d ask the relevant person first
Sure, we’ve only been town and this the fourth game. 1) Boon - To Be or Not to Be, Boon uPick. The anime game we were both in. where our slot got misvigged.

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #350 (isolation #2) » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:16 pm

In post 349, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 269, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 265, Creature wrote:
In post 219, Boonskiies wrote:
Notification
Venus and Mars has been prodded.
Feeling like Nancy and Shiro would try harder if they were scum
Nancy I know has IRL circumstances interfering, but I think shiro tends to be a bit quiet as scum
No, not true at all. Check our those games I mentioned if you think that’s AI. Shiro tends to lurk when he’s in a hydra, period. He also did that in RC uPick if you recall when he hydra’d with Frozen Angel and yes, he was also town in that.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #351 (isolation #3) » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:20 pm

In post 290, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 279, Infinity 324 wrote:Who's scum alchemist?
I have reasons, albeit not always strong ones, to Townread everyone but you, Derp, and Creature so my guess is 2 of that trio.

He has the negative attitude: scum indicative but he’s definitely sorting: town indicative.

UNVOTE:

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #353 (isolation #4) » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:22 pm

In post 300, Tayl0r Swift wrote:sailor hasnt posted since being prodded. im engaging some with alchemist. why does it bother you so much that my vote is on you? i dont feel like im being unfair or tunneling you. its still very early and i dont have you as lockscum or anything. but im trying to sort you...

I was V/LA and obviously had no idea about SS being switched to V&M.

I didn’t bother to tell Boon because Krazy was being so active.

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #354 (isolation #5) » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:32 pm

In post 348, Gamma Emerald wrote:I meant from you as a whole, not the sailor moon based stuff
I remember there also being you and Mathblade in D&D mini and you and RC in YGM

Yeah, that too. I have like a gazillion town games. There’s CoD for one. I was also town in RC uPick (Innocent Children hydra. In Children of Hurrin (hydra’d with duckling). You were in all 3 of those games, so Idk why you’re asking me this exactly?

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #355 (isolation #6) » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:32 pm

In post 352, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 351, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 290, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 279, Infinity 324 wrote:Who's scum alchemist?
I have reasons, albeit not always strong ones, to Townread everyone but you, Derp, and Creature so my guess is 2 of that trio.
He has the negative attitude: scum indicative but he’s definitely sorting: town indicative.

UNVOTE:

~Mars
who's this about

Creature

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #357 (isolation #7) » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:10 pm

Spoiler:

I feel really good about you so far in this game.

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #359 (isolation #8) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:25 am

In post 358, punpun wrote:Oh, really? Does Creature do the whole "woe is me, I'm playing a voluntary game by my own choice, and everyone is bad, and this is boring, and I'm the best" thing as scum? I've kinda shelved him as probtown for the attitude, but if he's pulled this kind of thing before as scum, that changes everything.

~pun

He’s done that as both alignments, so it may be more NIA > scum but he was extremely negative in TBoNtB and he was scum there, so yeah, it’s definitely not something to ignore either.

Creature’s scum meta is very complex but it could possibly mean he might be upset with his role pm. Idk.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #367 (isolation #9) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:26 pm

In post 360, Infinity 324 wrote:V&M, thoughts on other people?

No, just got back, so I will post them as I get them.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #369 (isolation #10) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:50 pm

In post 368, Tayl0r Swift wrote:im still pretty confident in infinity and punpun town. somewhat confident in derp town. alchemist is the scummiest

VOTE: alchemist

Why not us or Gamma?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #371 (isolation #11) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:03 pm

In post 370, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 369, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 368, Tayl0r Swift wrote:im still pretty confident in infinity and punpun town. somewhat confident in derp town. alchemist is the scummiest

VOTE: alchemist
Why not us or Gamma?

~M
why not you what?

I’m curious about your read on us and Gamma. I think Krazy obvtowned (see his TM game for reference. He was scum in that.). and Gamma seems pretty townie to me.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #377 (isolation #12) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:47 pm

In post 68, Sailor Senshi wrote:Sailor Senshi
Derp
Gamma Emerald
Alchemist21
Tayl0r Swift
Creature
Punpun
Infinity 324

I think I'm approximately here as of this page

I'm letting the other scouts handle voting tho

-merc

Krazy had Derp at the top of his list and they haven’t done anything so far to ping me.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #378 (isolation #13) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:16 pm

In post 373, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i did like krazy's energy. but im having a bit harder a time get a read on the hydra. im not sure about gamma. obviously i did pressure gamma a bit but mostly im unsure what to think now. i guess town?

I was super excited that I didn’t have to carry a hydra for once and now Shiro tells me he’s too busy for this game. :/

Venus and Mars · Post Post #379 (isolation #14) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:06 am

In post 378, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 373, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i did like krazy's energy. but im having a bit harder a time get a read on the hydra. im not sure about gamma. obviously i did pressure gamma a bit but mostly im unsure what to think now. i guess town?
I was super excited that I didn’t have to carry a hydra for once and now Shiro tells me he’s too busy for this game. :/

Yea, I am in the middle of driving lessons,Voice acting lessons,Orthophony lessons and work, add to that covid stuff happening and it was the worst time to agree to enter a game, BUT I read up,(untill now I was still on page 2)

~Venus

Venus and Mars · Post Post #380 (isolation #15) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:07 am

In post 350, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 349, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 269, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 265, Creature wrote:
In post 219, Boonskiies wrote:
Notification
Venus and Mars has been prodded.
Feeling like Nancy and Shiro would try harder if they were scum
Nancy I know has IRL circumstances interfering, but I think shiro tends to be a bit quiet as scum
No, not true at all. Check our those games I mentioned if you think that’s AI. Shiro tends to lurk when he’s in a hydra, period. He also did that in RC uPick if you recall when he hydra’d with Frozen Angel and yes, he was also town in that.

Yea I prefer talking in private, then pop up post like a lot for a bit then vanish again unless summoned xD

Venus and Mars · Post Post #381 (isolation #16) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:08 am

I am leaning scum on derp but it is PoE mostly

~Venus

Venus and Mars · Post Post #386 (isolation #17) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:01 am

In post 367, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 360, Infinity 324 wrote:V&M, thoughts on other people?
No, just got back, so I will post them as I get them.

~M

In post 383, Infinity 324 wrote:Willing to compromise on alchemist or maybe derp/V&M

In post 385, Infinity 324 wrote:They're null

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #396 (isolation #18) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:54 am

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=15179

Krazy scumgame ftr. I was town in that.

If I weren’t in a hydra, I wouldn’t play on my main because it really depresses me whenever I don’t get tr on it.

But I think only Gamma and Alchemist are actually familiar with my meta and would have any clue how to correctly read me off of that.

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #397 (isolation #19) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:36 am

In post 382, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 381, Venus and Mars wrote:I am leaning scum on derp but it is PoE mostly

~Venus
walk me through your PoE?

I townread the rest of you, pretty simple stuff

Venus and Mars · Post Post #406 (isolation #20) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:42 pm

In post 51, Sailor Senshi wrote:
In post 48, Infinity 324 wrote:SS, do any of you have reads yet?
I have a slight townlean on Alchemist.

~Mars

I still think this. I tr his annoyance with the scumreads on him.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #407 (isolation #21) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:45 pm

In post 400, Boonskiies wrote:
Day 1
Vote Count 1.07

“The movie is a call to acceptance, to love for another.” - del Toro

Alchemist21 [3]:
Punpun, Tayl0r Swift, Infinity 324

Tayl0r Swift [1]:
Gamma Emerald

Infinity 324 [1]:
Alchemist21

Venus and Mars [1]:
derp

Not Voting [2]:
Creature, Venus and Mars

With
8
alive, it takes
5
to
Fade
.

Day 1
ends in
(expired on 2020-11-02 20:00:00)
on
November 2nd.

Mod Notes
: Derp has been prodded.

@derp, why are you still voting us? I know it was an RvS vote but you’ve expressed srs on other slots and with 2 days left, shouldn’t you have switched your vote?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #410 (isolation #22) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:16 pm

In post 409, Alchemist21 wrote:Creature/derp/infinity are all people I’d vote for. Maybe punpun too but there’s a good deal of OMGUS there tbh.

I don’t know who scum is - per usual for me on D1 - but I’d vastly prefer any of them over you. Gamma and you are my strongest trs thus far.

Wrt Infinity. I’m torn between them wanting to vote a slot they null read with the reality of the approaching deadline. What obviously concerns me about that is that after a null flip, they can then evade responsibility for that vote if that slot (and in our case when) flips town.

Wrt Creature, he should clearly see my unvote as town indicative for me but Idk. Krazy and Venus have completely opposite reads on derp.

So, I may be basing my vote on who I think we should save - obviously you - so I’m willing to vote for whomever isn’t Gamma, you and maybe Tayl0r. I will have to reread punpun but less enthusiastic about voting them. Creature’s alignment will be obvious on D2 if my experience with him proves accurate but not entirely opposed.

I will vote derp if they don’t switch their vote for one of their previously stated scumreads but I’m not a fan of Infinity pushing a null compromise wagon.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #411 (isolation #23) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:18 pm

In post 324, derp wrote:infinity/tayl0r feels weird to derp with the whole mindmelding thing and betrayal act

could u guys explain ur read and progression on each other?

VOTE: Infinity

Venus and Mars · Post Post #414 (isolation #24) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:21 pm

In post 383, Infinity 324 wrote:Willing to compromise on alchemist or maybe derp/V&M

We’re town and this looks to me like Alchmist’s towngame, so bad takes.

I don’t want to execute Alchemist.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #415 (isolation #25) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:27 pm

In post 412, Infinity 324 wrote:I want to avoid a no elim and have time for a claim.

Claim could be rolefishing though, other than of course alignment.

In post 413, Infinity 324 wrote:Like compromising on null reads is normal for d1 right?

It depends on whether or not you want to actually hit scum, because in my experience compromise wagons usually lead to misfades.

And I 100% know that’s the case with us and strongly believe that’s the case with Alchemist, so I don’t want to misfade if we can help it.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #416 (isolation #26) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:35 pm

Also extreme concern with avoiding a no-elim is NAI. It’s not a stance scum couldn’t take.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #419 (isolation #27) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:58 pm

In post 418, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 417, Infinity 324 wrote:Fair enough. You do feel town to me from these recent posts so

I'll be busy most of tomorrow, but I'll check in every once in a while and move my vote around if necessary
What about Alchemist? The nuance that he’s demonstrating and has through out his entire ISO is strongly town indicative for him.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #421 (isolation #28) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:06 pm

In post 315, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 310, punpun wrote:I dislike Creature's attitude and outlook of the game immensely, but I also think he's town for it.

Alchemist feels kinda of awkward this game. He lacks personality in his posts and he's being pretty formal/serious. I don't know if that's a scumtell for him specifically but I'm too lazy to check right now, and I think overall, it's probably a slightly scummy thing on average. Oh, also, I realise part of this is due to the way Alchemist capitalises "town" and "townread" and terms like that; I've always found that weird and scummy for some reason. I'm trying to filter that part out though and I still get the same general vibes.

VOTE: Alchemist

~pun
Why do I have to see this first thing in the morning? If you scumread me for having a serious tone and capitalizing Town, you’re gonna have a bad time.

Also this reads to me like genuinely townie frustration.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #422 (isolation #29) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:09 pm

In post 420, Infinity 324 wrote:Can you quote cause I really don't see it

It’s pretty much his ENTIRE ISO. I initially tr him off of his Gamma post but he kept on doing that - making nuanced posts.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #424 (isolation #30) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:25 pm

In post 423, Infinity 324 wrote:Is this a meta thing cause I've definitely seen scum use more nuance than that. I agree that 315 is slightly towny.

Yes, he sounds here exactly like he played in Coalition (town) and completely different than he sounded in both Post Apocalypse (SK) and that TK anime game he was scum in.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #428 (isolation #31) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:13 pm

In post 427, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 424, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 423, Infinity 324 wrote:Is this a meta thing cause I've definitely seen scum use more nuance than that. I agree that 315 is slightly towny.
Yes, he sounds here exactly like he played in Coalition (town) and completely different than he sounded in both Post Apocalypse (SK) and that TK anime game he was scum in.

~M
hmm are you sure? i dont have any meta on alch either way, but the play seems scummy on its face.

I’m too tired to look up the links but you can judge for yourself.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #430 (isolation #32) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:15 pm

In post 428, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 427, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 424, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 423, Infinity 324 wrote:Is this a meta thing cause I've definitely seen scum use more nuance than that. I agree that 315 is slightly towny.
Yes, he sounds here exactly like he played in Coalition (town) and completely different than he sounded in both Post Apocalypse (SK) and that TK anime game he was scum in.

~M
hmm are you sure? i dont have any meta on alch either way, but the play seems scummy on its face.
I’m too tired to look up the links but you can judge for yourself.

TK anime game, Scum!Alch:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=24636

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #431 (isolation #33) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:18 pm

In post 430, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 428, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 427, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 424, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 423, Infinity 324 wrote:Is this a meta thing cause I've definitely seen scum use more nuance than that. I agree that 315 is slightly towny.
Yes, he sounds here exactly like he played in Coalition (town) and completely different than he sounded in both Post Apocalypse (SK) and that TK anime game he was scum in.

~M
hmm are you sure? i dont have any meta on alch either way, but the play seems scummy on its face.
I’m too tired to look up the links but you can judge for yourself.

TK anime game, Scum!Alch:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=24636

~M

Krazy Post Apocalypse game, SK!Alch:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=24636

Venus and Mars · Post Post #432 (isolation #34) » Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:21 pm

In post 431, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 430, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 428, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 427, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 424, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 423, Infinity 324 wrote:Is this a meta thing cause I've definitely seen scum use more nuance than that. I agree that 315 is slightly towny.
Yes, he sounds here exactly like he played in Coalition (town) and completely different than he sounded in both Post Apocalypse (SK) and that TK anime game he was scum in.

~M
hmm are you sure? i dont have any meta on alch either way, but the play seems scummy on its face.
I’m too tired to look up the links but you can judge for yourself.

TK anime game, Scum!Alch:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=24636

~M
Krazy Post Apocalypse game, SK!Alch:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=24636

Coalition, town!Alch:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11218122

Venus and Mars · Post Post #433 (isolation #35) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:18 am

In post 398, Tayl0r Swift wrote:haha i know how PoE works but i meant walk me through why you townread everyone.

I dunno general tone

~Venus

Venus and Mars · Post Post #434 (isolation #36) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:16 am

In post 400, Boonskiies wrote:
Day 1
Vote Count 1.07

“The movie is a call to acceptance, to love for another.” - del Toro

Alchemist21 [3]:
Punpun, Tayl0r Swift, Infinity 324

Tayl0r Swift [1]:
Gamma Emerald

Infinity 324 [1]:
Alchemist21

Venus and Mars [1]:
derp

Not Voting [2]:
Creature, Venus and Mars

With
8
alive, it takes
5
to
Fade
.

Day 1
ends in
(expired on 2020-11-02 20:00:00)
on
November 2nd.

Mod Notes
: Derp has been prodded.

I wish I could still talk to Krazy. :/

@mod, any chance of getting an extension here?

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #436 (isolation #37) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:25 am

In post 435, punpun wrote:Should we do Creature then? I'll put some stock into Venus/Mars's meta read on Alchemist.

Attitude is NAI at best and scum-indicative at worst according to V&M, so:

VOTE: Creature

Don't want to vote for Infinity. He pings as town a lot, especially with how he was paranoid of and soeting Tayl0r earlier for buddying him

~pun

If derp doesn’t switch their vote, I might vote there. Idk.

I think Creature’s alignment will be obvious on D2 but not opposed to that wagon.

UNVOTE:

for now.

Yes, I did like his recent posts, so probably between those two?

I want to see what derp does first.

@Gamma, what do you think? I don’t thnk Tayl0r’s happening.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #437 (isolation #38) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:32 am

In post 284, Creature wrote:
In post 283, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 282, Creature wrote:tbh this game is pretty easy for scum to be friendly and look town for lonely town members
Whose behavior do you think lines up with that expectation?
Infinity, but idk

In post 361, Creature wrote:
No, I'm legit lost on reads and feel like scum isn't being handed enough pressure
.

In post 363, Creature wrote:I don't know. Who is scum if not them?

Idk, I’m not confident on Creature!scum here.

One thing seems obvious that Infinity is definitely not linked with either Creature or Alchemist, should that become relevant.

VOTE: Derp

Let’s try this. I’ll kick myself if Krazy is right though.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #438 (isolation #39) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:34 am

In post 361, Creature wrote:No, I'm legit lost on reads and feel like scum isn't being handed enough pressure.

361 seems possibly town indicative.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #439 (isolation #40) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:44 am

In post 209, derp wrote:
In post 193, Infinity 324 wrote:Why is ss below null? Also, readlists are fun:

{punpun, taylor, derp}
{gamma, ss}
{alchemist, creature}
derp would like to know why u are scumreading the alchemist

In post 322, derp wrote:
In post 218, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 209, derp wrote:
In post 193, Infinity 324 wrote:Why is ss below null? Also, readlists are fun:

{punpun, taylor, derp}
{gamma, ss}
{alchemist, creature}
derp would like to know why u are scumreading the alchemist
See 139
hm i see

even though the mean alchemist put derp in his poe, derp would like to refer to alchemist early game evaluation of gamma as derp thought that was very town

Fuck, Idk, he’s mindmelding with me on Alchemist.

If Gamma, Alchemist, Creature can all agree, maybe I should just sheep them?

However, considering the fact that I’m mindmelding with derp on Alchemist, should have been enough reason for him to gave unvoted us.

I don’t think it’s reasonable for anyone to have a so much higher bar for our slot, just because we’re a hydra.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #442 (isolation #41) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:10 am

In post 440, Creature wrote:I'm not confident on scum being derp

In post 441, Creature wrote:Still seeing a range of Taylor/Gamma/Infinity

Other than his kind of odd spam comment, I’m not feeling scum!Gamma here. Between those 3, probably Infinity > Tayl0r?

UNVOTE:

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #443 (isolation #42) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:12 am

But definitely don’t want to fade Creature. He’s actually extremely underrated as a scumhunter, except that he never brags about it.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #446 (isolation #43) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:43 am

I don’t want to vote for Gamma, Alchemist or Creature.

I hope Boon just gives us an extension, so we can hear more from Derp.

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #451 (isolation #44) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:28 am

In post 449, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 421, Venus and Mars wrote:Also this reads to me like genuinely townie frustration.
Why?

Because scum usually doesn’t express that kind of frustration or are less likely to. I know I’m way more vocal about that as town, so I’m assuming that’s the same for everyone.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #453 (isolation #45) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:37 am

In post 452, Gamma Emerald wrote:idk maybe it's just me but that kinda of frustration seems NAI
could be scum caught for the wrong reasons yk?

Don’t you think he sounds similar to how he did in Coalition here? He didn’t make those kind of nuanced reads in either TK game or in Post Apocalypse.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #455 (isolation #46) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:45 am

In post 454, Gamma Emerald wrote:idk maybe? Could you detail how it's similar? I also wasn't present for TK or post apocalyptic iirc

You were in TK. Me and Shiro were misvigged and you were misexececuted. I don’t think you were in PA though. In TK, Alch seemed really slimy and in PA he voteparked on my slot, blatantly ignoring all signs of my slot being bleeding obvtown. In neither game, was he making the kind of nuanced reads I’m seeing here. In fact, I think he was deathtunnelling I forget who rn in that game. I sr him in both games ftr.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #456 (isolation #47) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:48 am

In post 454, Gamma Emerald wrote:idk maybe? Could you detail how it's similar? I also wasn't present for TK or post apocalyptic iirc

I’d say, in most games, reads that strike you as “scum caught for the wrong reasons” are more often than not likely town, in my experience anyway.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #457 (isolation #48) » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:56 am

In post 2617, Boonskiies wrote:
11/1/20

Micro 975: The Shape of Water

Mod: Boonskiies

Status: Day 1 Page 19

Replacing: derp

@mod, we really ought to be getting an extension now, right?

Venus and Mars · Post Post #480 (isolation #49) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:35 am

In post 466, The Bulge wrote:I'll do another read tonight because i for sure thought i was replacing into a scumslot lol but im not too worried about dl

Why? Was it the gimmick?

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #481 (isolation #50) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:41 am

In post 470, The Bulge wrote:how are you feeling rn about alchemist? I'm not sure i see what sailor was saying about nuance, it seems to me like it could be more of a personality or posting style thing

I think Alchemist is playing similarly here to Coalition and Creature is mindmelding with me on him as well. Creature has a pretty decent track record in catching scum.

It’s kind of interesting, you’re one of the very few players who knows me as a mod but not a player.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #482 (isolation #51) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:44 am

In post 432, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 431, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 430, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 428, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 427, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 424, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 423, Infinity 324 wrote:Is this a meta thing cause I've definitely seen scum use more nuance than that. I agree that 315 is slightly towny.
Yes, he sounds here exactly like he played in Coalition (town) and completely different than he sounded in both Post Apocalypse (SK) and that TK anime game he was scum in.

~M
hmm are you sure? i dont have any meta on alch either way, but the play seems scummy on its face.
I’m too tired to look up the links but you can judge for yourself.

TK anime game, Scum!Alch:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=24636

~M
Krazy Post Apocalypse game, SK!Alch:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=24636

Coalition, town!Alch:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11218122

Anyone who’s sr Alch needs to read these links. I think it should be pretty obvious what I’m talking about.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #483 (isolation #52) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:52 am

In post 194, punpun wrote:
Krazy felt like he was forcing content early on and I get pocketing vibes in some of his posts
:

In post 100, Sailor Senshi wrote:
In post 57, derp wrote:
In post 54, Sailor Senshi wrote:derp you're not an alt of hewhoswims are you?

-M
no i am a terrible swimmer
this was actually pretty funny. my townlean here is just a spicy hot take off this one post, I'll need more to cement it

In post 124, Sailor Senshi wrote:
In post 116, Tayl0r Swift wrote:isnt this the game where i caught you super early?
yes, this is the game where you caught infinity super early :3

-Merc
Only pings though

I don’t understand this post at all. How is Krazy doing either one of those things here?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #484 (isolation #53) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:54 am

In post 483, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 194, punpun wrote:
Krazy felt like he was forcing content early on and I get pocketing vibes in some of his posts
:

In post 100, Sailor Senshi wrote:
In post 57, derp wrote:
In post 54, Sailor Senshi wrote:derp you're not an alt of hewhoswims are you?

-M
no i am a terrible swimmer
this was actually pretty funny. my townlean here is just a spicy hot take off this one post, I'll need more to cement it

In post 124, Sailor Senshi wrote:
In post 116, Tayl0r Swift wrote:isnt this the game where i caught you super early?
yes, this is the game where you caught infinity super early :3

-Merc
Only pings though
I don’t understand this post at all. How is Krazy doing either one of those things here?

~M

And btw, what does “forcing content” even mean, let alone why it’s even something meaningful to comment on?

Venus and Mars · Post Post #495 (isolation #54) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:48 am

I’m really liking Infinity’s posts but punpun’s aggro Creature push is kind of weirding me out. @punpun, you have two people in this game who have meta on that slot including your #1 townread who don’t want to fade him, so why are you pushing him this hard?

You weren’t too concerned about Creature before I vetoed your Alchemist push.

And it reads quite differently to me than Infinity’s no vote deadline concern. I’m really not getting town vibes from that push at all.

VOTE: punpun

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #497 (isolation #55) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:51 am

In post 489, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 486, punpun wrote:
In post 474, The Bulge wrote:I didnt catch that before but the mocking tone in the first part doesnt really line up to me with how theyre choosing to deal with the slot in that same post
Explain why? I'm irritated with what he's saying in calling the game boring, saying it's a loss due to the playerlist etc, it's negative and anti-fun. But still, I thought it was town-indicative at the time because it draws a lot of negative attention, and scum usually aren't so bold.

~pun
I feel like you’d be more skeptical of the meta then, if you really think it’s rare for scum to do the negativity thing. The way you’ve approached the creature slot feels weird and it feels like you’re jumping on the opportunity for a potential ML/solid scumread.

+1

That too. Why the 180 @punpun?

Venus and Mars · Post Post #499 (isolation #56) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:59 am

In post 361, Creature wrote:No, I'm legit lost on reads and feel like scum isn't being handed enough pressure.

This post doesn’t usually come from scum. Creature acted this way, actually worse in a game where he ultimately flipped town. He’s genuinely trying and he doesn’t sound off like he did in TBoNtB. The negativity by itself is NIA.

If he isn’t lurking, if he isn’t trying to actually avoid making reads, it isn’t scum indicative for him.

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #504 (isolation #57) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:06 am

In post 498, punpun wrote:
In post 495, Venus and Mars wrote:I’m really liking Infinity’s posts but punpun’s aggro Creature push is kind of weirding me out. @punpun, you have two people in this game who have meta on that slot including your #1 townread who don’t want to fade him, so why are you pushing him this hard?

You weren’t too concerned about Creature before I vetoed your Alchemist push.

And it reads quite differently to me than Infinity’s no vote deadline concern. I’m really not getting town vibes from that push at all.

VOTE: punpun

~Mars
Sigh, because there's no direction and we need a elim. Creature is our best lead, even if it's not confident. Why as scum do I need to go hard aggro on Creature, considering he's not even got us in the scumpool, and we were under no threat at the time?

~pun

Not to me, especially on D1. When Creature is engaged he makes really good reads. He’s caught scum in a lot of games and is also very frequently misexecuted.

In Starcraft 2, I had a hard gut tr on his predecessor Taly, then Creature replaced into that slot. He’s towntellihg a lot more in this game than he ever did in that one. I told people to never execute that slot and then my slot was NK’d, Creature was executed and he flipped town, just like I said he would.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #508 (isolation #58) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:10 am

In post 501, punpun wrote:When I make pushes, I usually go hard on them. Not because I need to or have an agenda, but because it's my playstyle. What's scum-motivated about the push, Mars/Infinity?

~pun

Because you’re not listening to anyone who’s disagreeing with you. If you hard push a slot and people who know him better than you do don’t want to kill him, you should listen to that and maybe think that they have more info on that player than you do.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #516 (isolation #59) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:20 am

In post 440, Creature wrote:I'm not confident on scum being derp

Another townie sounding post.

Creature’s alignment gets clearer as the game progresses. Venus was the one who initially voted him for lurking but he stopped sr him after he started doing stuff. His reads sound genuine to me.

~Me

Venus and Mars · Post Post #548 (isolation #60) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:27 am

In post 545, punpun wrote:
In post 542, Tayl0r Swift wrote:tell me where youre at? what are you feeling beyond creature and omgussing bulge?
Stop bullying me

I'm lost outside of that. I thought Alchemist was scummy because he lacked personality/LIFE. There's not many feelings of scumminess in all of the others.

~pun

How is Tayl0r “bullying” you exactly?

This looks like the antithesis of bullying to me?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #549 (isolation #61) » Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:33 am

Spoiler:

I think I’m really happy with my vote.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #664 (isolation #62) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:23 am

In post 633, Alchemist21 wrote:Holy shit it’s an actual boon role

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Toonz_Game

I stand corrected about the legitimacy of the claim.

@mod, is there a Boon bank in this game? Unlike in TBoNTB, I didn’t see any mention of any in the OP?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #665 (isolation #63) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:27 am

In post 664, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 633, Alchemist21 wrote:Holy shit it’s an actual boon role

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Toonz_Game

I stand corrected about the legitimacy of the claim.

@mod, is there a Boon bank in this game? Unlike in TBoNTB, I didn’t see any mention of any in the OP?

~M

It’s now at F-1.

I’m suspicious of the claim because this wasn’t advertised as a Boobey Toonez game but just to be sure. we should get the mod’s answer if there’s still time. I’ll pm him too, just in case.

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #667 (isolation #64) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:39 am

In post 666, Gamma Emerald wrote:Just because it’s not booneytoonz doesn’t mean he won’t use roles developed in that series

@Boon, would you use Boon bank roles in a non-Booney Toonez game?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #680 (isolation #65) » Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:54 pm

In post 461, Gamma Emerald wrote:The apathetic posting is NAI but when it comes to actual content I think Creature has been towny. He’s thrown out some real reads and analysis, though currently the depth of it is kinda lacking I’d say. I have him as a weak townread, to put it plainly.

In post 560, Gamma Emerald wrote:I kinda sus both bulge and pun rn

I think this likely means Creature is town.

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #681 (isolation #66) » Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:55 pm

In post 679, Infinity 324 wrote:I guess we massclaim cause it's MeLo, I kinda wanna start with the bulge

+1

He seems way more confident here than I recall him being in Free Love.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #684 (isolation #67) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:47 pm

In post 683, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm pretty confident creature is town

Yeah, I kind’ve doubt scum!Creature kills Gamma here but his play seemed town indicative other than that.

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #685 (isolation #68) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:52 pm

In post 682, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i kinda want creature to go early because i think forcing an early claim there will also be helpful in sorting a null slot. bulge is fine other than that. alchemist should be early too imo.

I kind’ve liked that he was the one quoted the bunyip thing. I kind’ve liked his reaction to that. I just wish Punpun hadn’t of tried to ram a Creature misfade through, because they never would have been misfaded otherwise.

I really have no idea who’s scum. Both heads are slightly suspicious of Bulge but that’s about it.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #687 (isolation #69) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:07 pm

In post 686, Infinity 324 wrote:Yeah it did feel like alchemist genuinely thought punpun was scum.

Yeah.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #692 (isolation #70) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:38 pm

In post 688, The Bulge wrote:
In post 681, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 679, Infinity 324 wrote:I guess we massclaim cause it's MeLo, I kinda wanna start with the bulge
+1

He seems way more confident here than I recall him being in Free Love.

~M
that was my first game in years. I don't know how I can gauge which read I was more confident in between free love and this game, but I was certainly more hesitant with notty because I didn't want to barrage him if I was wrong. I also had a solve that kept making more and more sense to me that game, making me think I could be tunneling and confbiasing things. plus I was right about notty/klick, and wrong about punpun, so why even mention this comparison?

It’s my perception, why shouldn’t I state it?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #693 (isolation #71) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:40 pm

In post 691, The Bulge wrote:
In post 688, The Bulge wrote:plus I was right about notty/klick, and wrong about punpun, so why even mention this comparison?
eh, this isn't really a fair question. I think it's odd you're able to confidently make that claim tho

Is this for us or Infinity? And what question?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #696 (isolation #72) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:42 pm

In post 694, The Bulge wrote:I don't see the point of bringing up the only meta read you have when the situations are entirely different, although ill concede I rarely see the point of a lot of things meta players think matter

That’s fair but that’s really all I have to go on atm. I am also fine with a mass claim.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #698 (isolation #73) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:48 pm

In post 695, The Bulge wrote:but I don't believe that's your only reason to suspect me if you say both heads agree.

You will have to ask Shiro that.

Shiro hard trs both Creature and Alchemist. And Infinity is agreeing with that, so I tend to lean town on slots that mindmeld with me, so it’s not really so much that I suspect you but PoE.

If both heads hard tr both Creature and Alchemist and Infinity also is in agreement with this, who do you think fmpov, should I be most suspicious of?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #700 (isolation #74) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:49 pm

In post 697, The Bulge wrote:
In post 693, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 691, The Bulge wrote:
In post 688, The Bulge wrote:plus I was right about notty/klick, and wrong about punpun, so why even mention this comparison?
eh, this isn't really a fair question. I think it's odd you're able to confidently make that claim tho
Is this for us or Infinity? And what question?

~M
my question for you that i quoted didn't really make sense.

Well, if it involves what I think it does, it’s been resolved?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #707 (isolation #75) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:09 pm

In post 702, The Bulge wrote:
In post 698, Venus and Mars wrote:If both heads hard tr both Creature and Alchemist and Infinity also is in agreement with this, who do you think fmpov, should I be most suspicious of?
is this a rhetorical question?

I was asking you from mpov. Someone please mention me, when it’s our turn to claim. Thanks.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #713 (isolation #76) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:51 am

In post 710, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 685, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 682, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i kinda want creature to go early because i think forcing an early claim there will also be helpful in sorting a null slot. bulge is fine other than that. alchemist should be early too imo.
I kind’ve liked that he was the one quoted the bunyip thing. I kind’ve liked his reaction to that. I just wish Punpun hadn’t of tried to ram a Creature misfade through, because they never would have been misfaded otherwise.

I really have no idea who’s scum. Both heads are slightly suspicious of Bulge but that’s about it.

~M
tmi slip that creature is town?

No, I talk like that all the time but I’ve gotten accused of that a lot. I think he’s very obviously town because I don’t really see scum!Creature killing Gamma here. Same thing if we had been the NK.

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #722 (isolation #77) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:23 am

In post 717, Creature wrote:If we're about to lose can we just be done with this game?

Why do you think we’re about to lose? Do you not have faith we can correctly hit scum today?

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #724 (isolation #78) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:49 am

In post 723, Creature wrote:idk. We'll probably have to lynch between you, me, Infinity and Taylor.

Well, Alch is obviously clear and we do know that Bulge didn’t kill Gamma.

I know it’s not us and I don’t see why scum!you would kill Gamma here.

Bulge isn’t clear though but probably not a good fade for today.

So, since we know Bulge didn’t kill Gamma and I know we’re 100% flipping town, I guess one of Infinity/Tayl0r had to have made that kill.

I guess I’m just going to let the day play out and try to figure out which one of the two, to vote for.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #726 (isolation #79) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:17 am

In post 725, Creature wrote:Taylor looks pretty much scum here. Infinity is also underwhelming rn. Perhaps the two are scum indeed.

Can you elaborate but yeah, at least one of them has to be.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #731 (isolation #80) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:46 am

In post 727, Infinity 324 wrote:I claim total idiot, because I’m a 1-shot weak friendly neighbor who crumbled that I would target taylor last night before realizing she’d crumb ascetic. So now I have to wait until we elim scum to use my shot I guess

What’s the difference between weak friendly neighbour and regular friendly neighbour?

So, if you used it on Tayl0r did your shot get refunded?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #732 (isolation #81) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:49 am

We’re VT neighbour in a hood with both Gamma (were) and Taylor.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #738 (isolation #82) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:19 am

In post 734, Alchemist21 wrote:Did anything happen in the hood? Is there a reason Taylor didn't mention it in their claim?

Shiro asked her that and she said we hadn’t discussed it yet but that she would back me up on that if I claimed.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #739 (isolation #83) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:26 am

In post 737, Infinity 324 wrote:Killing taylor might just be the play

Tbh a taylor/bulge scumteam makes sense since the ascetic member will always perform the kill. That was kinda my solve anyway.

Yes, she is the only non-confirmable slot. We should hear what Bulge says but that’s a really good point. If Tayl0r is buddies with Bulge, then his clear is meaningless.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #741 (isolation #84) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:49 am

I think if either one of Tayl0r/Bulge flips red , there could be possible associatives, based on Gamma being suspicious of Derp and Tayl0r preferring Creature to Bulge.

I’ve been the most suspicious on Bulge since he replaced in.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #743 (isolation #85) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:55 am

In post 740, Alchemist21 wrote:So "no reason" basically. Gamma flipped neighbor so we know it's there, I just wondered if there was a reason Taylor didn't claim to be a member.

Anyway, I think we're all in agreement on Taylor. I'm pretty much ready to vote there but I still want a solid plan for the Night Actions.

If Infinity targets Bulge and I target Creature, then if Bulge is scum Infinity dies and Creature is cleared then we know Bulge is scum. If Infinity dies but I get a guilty on Creature then Creature can't frame Bulge. This also covers the scenario of Infinity being scum because it forces him to produce a result if he's alive; if Bulge dies and I have a clear on Creature it points right to Infinity as scum.

The only 2 caveats are the existence of a scum ninja or Venus and Mars somehow being scum. For either of those to be true I'd have to be wrong on Taylor anyway.

VOTE: Taylor Swift

Yeah that is a good plan. Read wise, I prefer Bulge but unlike Tayl0r, he’s solvable where as she isn’t because of the aesthetic thing.

I also think Creature is town and wouldn’t have killed Gamma.

VOTE: Tayl0r

Sorry if it’s not you but your aesthetic role makes you the best fade.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #744 (isolation #86) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:55 am

In post 742, Infinity 324 wrote:Nothing is stopping a taylor/V&M team. Could be an S/S/T neighborhood, V&M could be lying about who was in the neighborhood. So if V&M and taylor are scum and we do your plan:

If scum kills you, me and bulge are clear and we decide between creature/V&M.
If scum kills me, creature is clear and y'all decide between bulge/V&M.

Not the end of the world imo. Personally I'm more confident in creature being town than V&M though.

UNVOTE:

Wait, why are we scum here?

Venus and Mars · Post Post #746 (isolation #87) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:58 am

In post 744, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 742, Infinity 324 wrote:Nothing is stopping a taylor/V&M team. Could be an S/S/T neighborhood, V&M could be lying about who was in the neighborhood. So if V&M and taylor are scum and we do your plan:

If scum kills you, me and bulge are clear and we decide between creature/V&M.
If scum kills me, creature is clear and y'all decide between bulge/V&M.

Not the end of the world imo. Personally I'm more confident in creature being town than V&M though.
UNVOTE:

Wait, why are we scum here?

Do you seriously think that even makes sense? 2 out of 3 scum in the same hood? Now you’ve got me kind’ve paranoid and wondering if you were distancing with Bulge?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #749 (isolation #88) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:00 am

In post 745, Infinity 324 wrote:Probably not, but I'm more confident in creature being town than you

I don’t like that you’re suddenly shading me, it’s making me paranoid now that it might be you over Tayl0r.

We’ve been tr Creature since D1, so why are you trying to pit us against him?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #751 (isolation #89) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:05 am

In post 748, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 746, Venus and Mars wrote:Do you seriously think that even makes sense? 2 out of 3 scum in the same hood? Now you’ve got me kind’ve paranoid and wondering if you were distancing with Bulge?
And Infinity/Bulge team doesn't oppose my plan here because a Taylor fade is a win for them anyway.

And 2 scum in a 3p hood isn't impossible. I JUST got out of a game with one.

Well that’s definitely unusual. I don’t out the hood if I’m scum with Tayl0r.

I also hard vetoed both yours and Creature wagons D1.

I don’t know what anyone else is but you and Creature are my most confident trs and I will vote for anyone else before either of you. And that was the case on D1, if you’re interested in ISOing me.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #754 (isolation #90) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:12 am

In post 750, Infinity 324 wrote:Like, if you're scum with taylor it doesn't even matter if both of you are in the neighborhood, you could just say you were. I don't think it's likely but it's a possibility to consider. If I'm wrong on bulge/taylor you're the most likely to be scum based on my reads. I don't think me being scum makes sense from a setup perspective.

What do you mean, it doesn’t make sense? You know your alignment, so I think that’s a rather odd thing to say?

I think that in a world where either Alch or Creature is scum, we’ve probably lost anyway because I honestly don’t think that’s the case, so I’m really not worried about that.

However, it’s kind’ve weirding me out that you’re suddenly suggesting this.

I don’t play the way I did on D1 if I’m scum here and Alch should know this.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #756 (isolation #91) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:16 am

In post 752, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 751, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 748, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 746, Venus and Mars wrote:Do you seriously think that even makes sense? 2 out of 3 scum in the same hood? Now you’ve got me kind’ve paranoid and wondering if you were distancing with Bulge?
And Infinity/Bulge team doesn't oppose my plan here because a Taylor fade is a win for them anyway.

And 2 scum in a 3p hood isn't impossible. I JUST got out of a game with one.
Well that’s definitely unusual. I don’t out the hood if I’m scum with Tayl0r.

I also hard vetoed both yours and Creature wagons D1.

I don’t know what anyone else is but you and Creature are my most confident trs and I will vote for anyone else before either of you. And that was the case on D1, if you’re interested in ISOing me.

~M
I trust you more than anyone else in this game which is why I'm so confident in my plan here.

I'm just saying Infinity's perspective isn't unreasonable and the take doesn't make sense for a Bulge/Infinity team.

We don’t make sense with Bulge either since Derp was Shiro’s #1 sr but okay, I’ll sheep you then.

Statistically, we should be clear if Tayl0r flips scum, even if it’s not based off of what you’re both saying 100%.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #757 (isolation #92) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:19 am

In post 755, Infinity 324 wrote:What I’m saying is I’m not sure how I could be scum in a balanced setup from your POV. I’ll have to do ISOs but I’m not sure what from your D1 play makes you super town. I never scumread you but I never had a super strong TR either.

You or Pun wanted to fade Alchemist/Creature and I hard vetoed both wagons, so I don’t know how you can honestly say that?

But you’re role is confirmable right? So it can actually be proven. Ours can only be by Alch, same with Creature.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #759 (isolation #93) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:23 am

In post 753, Infinity 324 wrote:Alchemist is town cause setup. Creature is town by play. Everyone else could be scum fmpov. I have to do ISOs to figure out which teams make sense but that's where I'm at atm.

Yes and who has been hard tr both of them? Me. So, it’s nuts to say we aren’t town by play. I know that both of them have meta on me as both alignments, where as Punpun does not, so scum!me doesn’t try to stop those wagons. I just don’t.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #761 (isolation #94) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:28 am

In post 758, Infinity 324 wrote:I never wanted to elim creature, taylor was my #1 choice for a while but I’ll have to go look at your play then. Defending town doesn’t get you a
ton
of cred when scum wasn’t really under pressure.

Yes it does, you know why, because I’ve been consistent. Alch and I think Creature too (if he recognizes my scum alt as me?) knows that I hedge on those reads but the fact that your mindmelding with me on that is town indicative, I guess, even if you clearly have no clue how to read me.

VOTE: Tayl0r

Venus and Mars · Post Post #762 (isolation #95) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:30 am

In post 760, Infinity 324 wrote:Yes hard TRing town as scum limits your options but it’s not infeasible.

Well, it’s strongly town indicative for me. I don’t play like that as scum which you will eventually find out.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #764 (isolation #96) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:34 am

In post 753, Infinity 324 wrote:Alchemist is town cause setup. Creature is town by play. Everyone else could be scum fmpov. I have to do ISOs to figure out which teams make sense but that's where I'm at atm.

I’m voting Tayl0r based partially on this and partially on her being aesthetic because she wanted to vote Creature over Bulge.

Plus, I trust Alch’s plan.

My current readslist iis as follows:

V & M
Alchemist

Creature

———————————————-

You?

Tayl0r?

Bulge?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #765 (isolation #97) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:39 am

In post 763, Infinity 324 wrote:I’ve never played with you before so yeah. Creature, can V&M ever be scum here?

I don’t think he’s ever played with my main as scum, so if he recognizes that game where I played with him on an alt, Idk but he sr me right out of the gate. That’s why I was fighting with Pun because he has really good reads. He’s caught scum in quite a few games I played with him.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #766 (isolation #98) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:42 am

In post 765, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 763, Infinity 324 wrote:I’ve never played with you before so yeah. Creature, can V&M ever be scum here?
I don’t think he’s ever played with my main as scum, so if he recognizes that game where I played with him on an alt, Idk but he sr me right out of the gate. That’s why I was fighting with Pun because he has really good reads. He’s caught scum in quite a few games I played with him.

~M

Oh wait, nm. I completely forgot about Heroes Wanted.

We were buddies in that.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #776 (isolation #99) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:55 pm

In post 768, The Bulge wrote:
In post 739, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 737, Infinity 324 wrote:Killing taylor might just be the play

Tbh a taylor/bulge scumteam makes sense since the ascetic member will always perform the kill. That was kinda my solve anyway.
Yes, she is the only non-confirmable slot. We should hear what Bulge says but that’s a really good point. If Tayl0r is buddies with Bulge, then his clear is meaningless.

~M
what does my clear have to do with taylor? I could opt to not perform the kill regardless of my partner's abilities. also if taylor is scum how do we know she's telling the truth about her role?

We don’t but what we do know is that Alchemist tracked you and you didn’t kill Gamma.

Venus and Mars · Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:57 pm

In post 769, The Bulge wrote:
In post 743, Venus and Mars wrote:Sorry if it’s not you but your aesthetic role makes you the best fade.
is this something town ever says in mylo?

We’re town, so it obviously must be true. Nice shade though.

~M

Venus and Mars · Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:58 pm

In post 770, The Bulge wrote:
In post 751, Venus and Mars wrote:I also hard vetoed both yours and Creature wagons D1.
what does this mean?

What do you think it means? How much of D1 have you read?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #779 (isolation #102) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:02 pm

In post 771, The Bulge wrote:did I miss something? why are so many people removing creature from their PoEs with the same confidence as if he were mechanically cleared

A) strong meta read

B) Why does scum!Creature kill Gamma who was tr him?

C) Why are you and Tayl0r the only ones who are pushing him?

Venus and Mars · Post Post #784 (isolation #103) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:27 pm

In post 780, The Bulge wrote:
In post 776, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 768, The Bulge wrote:
In post 739, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 737, Infinity 324 wrote:Killing taylor might just be the play

Tbh a taylor/bulge scumteam makes sense since the ascetic member will always perform the kill. That was kinda my solve anyway.
Yes, she is the only non-confirmable slot. We should hear what Bulge says but that’s a really good point. If Tayl0r is buddies with Bulge, then his clear is meaningless.

~M
what does my clear have to do with taylor? I could opt to not perform the kill regardless of my partner's abilities. also if taylor is scum how do we know she's telling the truth about her role?
We don’t but what we do know is that Alchemist tracked you and you didn’t kill Gamma.
my point is why even bring that up except to push your taylor/bulge team theory? my clear is meaningless already.

I know it’s not us and I don’t believe it’s Creature and Alchemist is confirmed by his role. I’m not pushing anything but both of you keep bringing up Creature and no one else is.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #786 (isolation #104) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:33 pm

In post 781, The Bulge wrote:
In post 777, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 769, The Bulge wrote:
In post 743, Venus and Mars wrote:Sorry if it’s not you but your aesthetic role makes you the best fade.
is this something town ever says in mylo?

We’re town, so it obviously must be true. Nice shade though.

~M
I shade those i find shady. how does this post accomplish more than mine? I'm signalling to others that they should be reading more into your slot.
you're just shading my shade
, you feel?

I’m what? If you think I’m scum then tell me why, because fmpov, it just looks like straight up omgussing. But assuming Infinity is telling the truth about his role. he can confirm you.

And despite him reading us incorrectly, their mindmeld with me on Creature looks better to me than you and Tayl0r who are reading him differently.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #787 (isolation #105) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:34 pm

In post 782, The Bulge wrote:
In post 778, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 770, The Bulge wrote:
In post 751, Venus and Mars wrote:I also hard vetoed both yours and Creature wagons D1.
what does this mean?
What do you think it means? How much of D1 have you read?

~M
I'm asking how that makes you town.

So did you actually read it or not and why are you tunnelling me?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #788 (isolation #106) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:36 pm

In post 783, The Bulge wrote:
In post 779, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 771, The Bulge wrote:did I miss something? why are so many people removing creature from their PoEs with the same confidence as if he were mechanically cleared
A) strong meta read

B) Why does scum!Creature kill Gamma who was tr him?

C) Why are you and Tayl0r the only ones who are pushing him?
where did I push creature?

In post 771, The Bulge wrote:did I miss something? why are so many people removing creature from their PoEs with the same confidence as if he were mechanically cleared

Venus and Mars · Post Post #790 (isolation #107) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:41 pm

In post 781, The Bulge wrote:
In post 777, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 769, The Bulge wrote:
In post 743, Venus and Mars wrote:Sorry if it’s not you but your aesthetic role makes you the best fade.
is this something town ever says in mylo?

We’re town, so it obviously must be true. Nice shade though.

~M
I shade those i find shady. how does this post accomplish more than mine? I'm signalling to others that they should be reading more into your slot. you're just shading my shade, you feel?

I’m not tr this post.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #794 (isolation #108) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:47 pm

In post 789, The Bulge wrote:seriously?

There is a pretty obvious difference between how you and Infinity are approaching our slot. Your read on us just seems empty, like you just keep asking like what makes us town as opposed to actually explaining anything. I don’t get the impression you’re actually trying to read us.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #795 (isolation #109) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:49 pm

In post 779, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 771, The Bulge wrote:did I miss something? why are so many people removing creature from their PoEs with the same confidence as if he were mechanically cleared
A) strong meta read

B) Why does scum!Creature kill Gamma who was tr him?

C) Why are you and Tayl0r the only ones who are pushing him?

My answer to your question.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #798 (isolation #110) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:01 pm

In post 796, The Bulge wrote:fair, I haven't reread anything so my read is entirely based on your d2 play. rn im mainly just frustrated at the misreps. i super dont have the energy for explaining myself over and over again today so im gonna hit pause

In post 797, The Bulge wrote:ebwop fair re:empty read on your slot

So what are your reads on the rest of the playerlist?

I mean besides us, Creature?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #812 (isolation #111) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:48 pm

In post 804, Creature wrote:If V&M are scum I should probably be able to take a 1v1 against them.

Only way that happens for me is if you, us and Alch are the last players alive in the game because fmpov it would mean I’d have to be wrong about you being town here but that is extremely unlikely to happen. In fact, I bet the game that it doesn’t.

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #813 (isolation #112) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:54 pm

I think Infinity is town. Sorry Tayl0r and Bulge but you two are the least townie and I actually think we’ve got this game solved.

As long as neither of you endgame, I don’t see how we lose.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #814 (isolation #113) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:00 pm

In post 773, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 771, The Bulge wrote:did I miss something? why are so many people removing creature from their PoEs with the same confidence as if he were mechanically cleared
I don't think creature has the capacity to fake what he's done this game as scum. The way V&M defended creature on d1 also didn't feel like a scumbuddy defense, so I'm trusting their read somewhat.

In post 806, Infinity 324 wrote:I really don't think alchemist can be scum, with only 2 strong PRs 6v2 is rough for town

Is this really the easiest game ever?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #815 (isolation #114) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:09 pm

I just realized my reads are better than Krazy’s because he had it backwards. \o/

Venus and Mars · Post Post #822 (isolation #115) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:30 pm

In post 818, Infinity 324 wrote:If taylor flips scum and bulge is cleared, I really think V&M is the last scum over creature. Taylor's treatment of creature really doesn't feel like a scumbuddy's.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=24230

Obvtown!Bulge towngame. Enjoy.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #824 (isolation #116) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:30 pm

In post 823, Infinity 324 wrote:You love meta don't you

But yeah he was pretty obvtown in that game and I'm 85% confident it's just taylor/bulge

It’s accurate like 65% - 70% of the time, when it’s reasonably recent.

Well it’s kind of interesting that they were both questioning Creature and Tayl0r wasn’t too interested in our Bulge sl.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #854 (isolation #117) » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:02 am

VOTE: Bulge

Venus and Mars · Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:53 pm

In post 856, The Bulge wrote:
In post 742, Infinity 324 wrote:V&M could be lying about who was in the neighborhood
this is something I can't believe I never considered before but yea this sounds a lot more likely than a 2scum 1 town hood. that explains why taylor didn't claim the hood at first as well

Venus and Mars · Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:56 pm

In post 864, The Bulge wrote:Why would they start today with a naked vote on me and never engage further? how does this make sense after the night action plan failed to deliver results?

Infinity said he would visit you. That’s why I voted. But your interactions with Tayl0r screamed scum theatre. It was blatantly obvious you and her were planning to set me up with your whole good cop/bad cop gambit.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #875 (isolation #120) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:03 pm

In post 868, Alchemist21 wrote:Truth be told I never had the 2nd shot and the plan was just a bluff to get scum to out themselves, and all the reactions are telling enough to know Creature's Town here. As scum he'd have been completely screwed by the plan and wouldn't have so readily gone along with it yesterday as he did, and the fact that this day started with an immediate 1v1 between Bulge and Nancy without anyone waiting to hear the verdict on Creature tells me scum came into this Day expecting him to be hard cleared anyway.

As far as the actual play goes, my multiple games of experience with Nancy makes me sure this is Town Nancy. I know that as scum she's willing to use other players' incorrect meta reads to push a slot she would know better than to scumread as Town, and here she's staunchly Townread both Creature and myself. And for Bulge, his posts towards Nancy today have had the false bravado I'd expect of desperate scum. He knows pushing Nancy is his only shot of winning here. I can appreciate the fight he's putting up but from where I'm standing I just see caught scum.

In post 864, The Bulge wrote:Why would they start today with a naked vote on me and never engage further? how does this make sense after the night action plan failed to deliver results?
And just to answer this, Nancy has been saying Creature and I are Town this whole time. She was never going to vote anyone else in endgame and acting surprised by it is just part of the act Bulge is selling right now to push Nancy.

+1

Yep. Only way I change my vote is if you had a hard guilty on Creature, which I didn’t expect to happen.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #876 (isolation #121) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:05 pm

In post 869, The Bulge wrote:look at how different taylor treats gamma compared to the hydra slot early on. she focuses on her neighbour from the start in order to build up momentum towards when they eventually out the hood. meanwhile she interacts with her other supposed neighbour very little, and when they do interact, taylor's tone is short and unlike her tone with anyone else in this game. where better for a scumpartner to hide than in a neighbourhood s/t hood? it's pretty ridiculous to assume anyone woulf suspect a 2s/1t hood, regardless of how often or how recently its happened, it's just not something anyone is likely to push, and is easily discredited if anyone does.

Wow, you will glom onto anything to hang me, won’t you?

How would you like me to paraphrase all of Gamma’s posts? Protip: they look super bad for you.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #877 (isolation #122) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:09 pm

In post 876, Venus and Mars wrote:
In post 869, The Bulge wrote:look at how different taylor treats gamma compared to the hydra slot early on. she focuses on her neighbour from the start in order to build up momentum towards when they eventually out the hood. meanwhile she interacts with her other supposed neighbour very little, and when they do interact, taylor's tone is short and unlike her tone with anyone else in this game. where better for a scumpartner to hide than in a neighbourhood s/t hood? it's pretty ridiculous to assume anyone woulf suspect a 2s/1t hood, regardless of how often or how recently its happened, it's just not something anyone is likely to push, and is easily discredited if anyone does.
Wow, you will glom onto anything to hang me, won’t you?

How would you like me to paraphrase all of Gamma’s posts? Protip: they look super bad for you.

I mean Derp obviously. Gamma was hard sr Derp and I can also reference Tayl0r shooting down our suspicions on your slot or Shiro questioning Tayl0r about her not outing the hood.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #878 (isolation #123) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:13 pm

In post 870, The Bulge wrote:
In post 868, Alchemist21 wrote:And just to answer this, Nancy has been saying Creature and I are Town this whole time. She was never going to vote anyone else in endgame and acting surprised by it is just part of the act Bulge is selling right now to push Nancy.
I was never surprised,
I've known it was them since yesterday.
Creature and taylor were for sure not partners and his willingness to go along with the plan looks super not-scum as well.

Is anyone still doubting Bulge and Tayl0r conspiring to set me up?

Venus and Mars · Post Post #879 (isolation #124) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:22 pm

In post 835, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i have to say i disagree with you on W&M. krazy was kinda obvtown to me in the early stages.

In post 841, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 837, The Bulge wrote:infinity seemed town to me early on but also looks complicit in v&m's narrative-pushing today. plus with an 8p game I'm inclined to trust claimed PRs so idk
why does the size of the game impact the likelihood of trusting a PR?
why is narrative pushing indicative of scum rather than just wrong townie?

Yeah, Tayl0r was clearly trying to distance me with this.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #880 (isolation #125) » Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:27 pm

@Boon, I have to paraphrase not direct quote, correct?

from the hood I mean.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #886 (isolation #126) » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:24 am

Oh holy shit! Tayl0r forgot she was in the hood and claimed scum and none of us caught it.

Tayl0r: I’m thrilled I randed scum this game!

Also Tayl0r:
[sorry, wrong PT

lmfaooo

How did we miss this Gamma?

Venus and Mars · Post Post #887 (isolation #127) » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:37 am

Tayl0r: My bizarre political ideas and conspiracy notions? Oh, it was for sure conservatives political vampires who use an elephant as their mascot who caused the pandemic.

Gamma:
I think it’s pretty obvious how this could be incorrectly viewed as conservative vampires with an elephant as their mascot ftr lel
And yeah Krazy in a hydra with Shiro and Nancy.
I definitely remember playing with that exact hydra in the Magical Girls UPick 2 game.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #888 (isolation #128) » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:40 am

In post 887, Venus and Mars wrote:Tayl0r: My bizarre political ideas and conspiracy notions? Oh, it was for sure conservatives political vampires who use an elephant as their mascot who caused the pandemic.

Gamma:
I think it’s pretty obvious how this could be incorrectly viewed as conservative vampires with an elephant as their mascot ftr lel
And yeah Krazy in a hydra with Shiro and Nancy.
I definitely remember playing with that exact hydra in the Magical Girls UPick 2 game.

Is this enough efforting for you yet Creature? Why do you seriously think I would lie about something like this? I mean Bulge is scum but you should know me better but whatever.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #890 (isolation #129) » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:48 am

Gamma Emerald: Tayl0r, are you scared? Have you figured out that the one the Blank Space isn’t you yet?

Venus and Mars · Post Post #891 (isolation #130) » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:50 am

In post 889, Alchemist21 wrote:Ok that hood better get released to the public after the game because I
need
to read it if every post is like those.

I don’t know if all are that exciting but I don’t see why not? There probably won’t be any redactions either.

There are three posts where he sr Derp, so that’s probably why he was the NK.

Venus and Mars · Post Post #892 (isolation #131) » Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:03 am

Gamma: It reads to like Derp is feeling really awkward so he’s acting seriously odd to hide his true identity.

It also seems to me he’s seriously being really bizarre, I mean besides the obvious thing about him doing that third person shtick

Venus and Mars · Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:59 am

It’s probably never a wise decision to falsely accuse someone of lying about being in a hood.