Normal Game Balance

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Do the stats support this at all? Are towns winning a disproportionate amount of normals?

Because normals "feel" townsided is a really meaningless critique without any sort of data.

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Because any reasonable discussion of a critique to something that is being done should start with data. We can't make decisions on feelings alone. Not to speak for implosion, but we tend to make data driven decisions when it comes to mafia. You can look at how the newbie queue has changed over the years to see that.

My guess then is that the answer is close to 50% yes?

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I mean we have an approach to look at setups and see what the win rate should be. Have you calculated EVs of any of these setups? Wouldn't that show setups as townsided?

Have you....considered any data at all?

We can certainly have the conversation of what is and isn't townsided and I am glad to see this topic! But if you don't have a baseline then you can't effectively talk about the issue. You "feeling" games are townsided is a statement with no meaning.

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Otherwise you're arguing that you're dissatisfied with something you don't even know is true or not. Which makes no sense. You've vaguely cites that normals are townsided but don't provide any evidence or examples. Can you grab some recently completed games and discuss them and why they are townsided?

Maybe our setups are scumsided and people are just incredibly poor at being mafia.

Maybe they are neutral but people use meta...and as we all know meta is trash(tm). (This is tongue in cheek)

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This is good. Go to bed though.

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To be clear, I wasn't asserting that games are town or scumsided. I don't know.