976: mystyry box of sylvyr I: isis game. day 3

[DoubtingThomas]

Hello, folks. Nice to meet you. How do you do?

[DoubtingThomas]

i think i remember this name VOTE: dunnstral

[DoubtingThomas]

Also, guys come play in mafiauniverse.com

[DoubtingThomas]

what am i being accused of?

[DoubtingThomas]

apologies

[DoubtingThomas]

probably being scum or something

tris

i dont think the two posts that vote me are really scum reading me. do you? why?

[DoubtingThomas]

probably being scum or something

tris

i dont think the two posts that vote me are really scum reading me. do you? why?

"i'm scumreading you"

- tris

Not sure if it's real thought to... scum read me for you voting me before i even posted? How did you expect me to respond?

"Oh! You are voting me before I even posted? Why are you scum reading me?"

Doesn't make sense, right?

VOTE: skye

[DoubtingThomas]

you already voted me

[DoubtingThomas]

you can explain your reason behind scum reading me so maybe i will answer if i deem it appropriate

[DoubtingThomas]

That's less funny though...


It's this reaction:

Not sure if it's real thought to... scum read me for you voting me before i even posted? How did you expect me to respond?

"Oh! You are voting me before I even posted? Why are you scum reading me?"

Doesn't make sense, right?

VOTE: skye

Regardless of whether or not you deem it appropriate I'm not sure there's much point to you arguing with this, it's not a factual "On no you ditten" "Oh yes she did" kind of thing. You said what you said, it has a whiff of scum to me.

the fuck? what am I even supposed to say to "I am scum reading you before you even posted"

ffs this site has weird ass RVS

getting scum read itself is naturally annoying and it's actually quite incredible to be scum read before i even post but thats cool

[DoubtingThomas]

probably being scum or something

tris

i dont think the two posts that vote me are really scum reading me. do you? why?

"i'm scumreading you"

- tris

Not sure if it's real thought to... scum read me for you voting me before i even posted? How did you expect me to respond?

"Oh! You are voting me before I even posted? Why are you scum reading me?"

Doesn't make sense, right?

VOTE: skye

well, is that your response?

tris

like what kind of posts is this?

no it's actually my selfie

????????????

[DoubtingThomas]

son i dont think you are reading any of the posts but ok

[DoubtingThomas]

so, you refuse to face your accusers. interesting...

tris

like this is the person who first suggests his "RVS" isn't an "RVS" and actual scum read, so i dont know why you are misrepresenting me as if i am the one who "acknowledges RVS but is overreating"

like do we have 3 scums in this game or wut

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: gypyx

[DoubtingThomas]

yes towns make scummy posts all the time. scums are the ones trying to actively look as townie as possible, albeit good portion of people do try to play too wolfy to be a wolf game

trying to decipher one's slot based on a few posts that of your personal opinion you believe is 'scummy' and 'townie' is rarely going to be very accurate.

however, trying to push on what you believe and getting reactions, interacting with multiple people really does the trick. so keep at it boys and girls and the others!

[DoubtingThomas]

dunnstral, do you remember me tho

[DoubtingThomas]

Spoiler:

probably being scum or something

tris

i dont think the two posts that vote me are really scum reading me. do you? why?

"i'm scumreading you"

- tris

Not sure if it's real thought to... scum read me for you voting me before i even posted? How did you expect me to respond?

"Oh! You are voting me before I even posted? Why are you scum reading me?"

Doesn't make sense, right?

VOTE: skye

well, is that your response?

tris

like what kind of posts is this?

no it's actually my selfie

????????????

i meant like is the thing in quotes, but nvm it doesn't matter

Also thomas acknowledges the vote on him as RVS and yet he still acts as if he's being seriously suspected
VOTE: Thomas

this is a bad reason to vote for thomas. you'll notice that akarin DOES actually suspect thomas. VOTE: gypyx

i would like to ask thomas what about my behavior is actually scum.

Tris could you write you name smaller please? It's quite annoying to read it like that

mew

btw this post wasn't signed by tris. so it means ari? person wrote it, yes?

[DoubtingThomas]

yes towns make scummy posts all the time. scums are the ones trying to actively look as townie as possible, albeit good portion of people do try to play too wolfy to be a wolf game

trying to decipher one's slot based on a few posts that of your personal opinion you believe is 'scummy' and 'townie' is rarely going to be very accurate.

however, trying to push on what you believe and getting reactions, interacting with multiple people really does the trick. so keep at it boys and girls and the others!

what are you responding to here? i agree with this, but i don't know why you said it.

it makes sense if you read you and gypsy's posts together

[DoubtingThomas]

Because I wanted somebody to suggest me someone to vote for

OK, vote for Akarin

Why should I?

Am I not good enough for you?

Uh it's not you, it's me.

Should I be voting for this DoubtingThomas character?

VOTE: NicCage

Also, Nona were you going to explain this vote?

what's this scummy question

[DoubtingThomas]

Uh it's not you, it's me.

Should I be voting for this DoubtingThomas character?

That's what they all say *sniffle*

And it depends on how much you like early Day 1 Dastardly Deed -1 (DD-1?)

DT is my top scumread right now, but...

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It's 5 to Perform a Dastardly Deed

I think it’s currently at
DT (3): Akarin, Gypyx, Mastina
gypyx (2): DT, SKYE
SKYE (1): PlusJOYED
NicCage (1): Nona

Not Voting: (2): Dunn, NicCage

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For future reference, Page 2 DT vs. SKYE peak wagons were:
DT (3): Akarin, SKYE, Gypyx
SKYE (3): PlusJOYED, Mastina, DT

1 scum in akarin/gypxy/mastina

and 1 in skye/plustjoyed/nona/dunn/niccage i think

dunn and niccage not voting at this point is an alright look

[DoubtingThomas]

Uh it's not you, it's me.

Should I be voting for this DoubtingThomas character?

That's what they all say *sniffle*

And it depends on how much you like early Day 1 Dastardly Deed -1 (DD-1?)

DT is my top scumread right now, but...

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It's 5 to Perform a Dastardly Deed

I think it’s currently at
DT (3): Akarin, Gypyx, Mastina
gypyx (2): DT, SKYE
SKYE (1): PlusJOYED
NicCage (1): Nona

Not Voting: (2): Dunn, NicCage

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For future reference, Page 2 DT vs. SKYE peak wagons were:
DT (3): Akarin, SKYE, Gypyx
SKYE (3): PlusJOYED, Mastina, DT

also but what?

[DoubtingThomas]

who cares about people's posting styles. it's not scum indicative. if you think his posts are scummy you can point out or ask him questions about his thought process

but you asking others about his 'posting style being weird' is weird af

it's like you are implying that he's posting weird as town?

he's scum for posting weird? or do you really think someone who has an account made in 2013 will 'post weirdly' only as scum and never as town?

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: gypyx

[DoubtingThomas]

i can go with akarin/gypyx/mastina very not likely to w/w

[DoubtingThomas]

None of the above, nic's style is unusual, you can't deny that, therefore i'm asking if someone knows how he usually acts in general, idk why you're even trying to represent that as me reading him in a specific way

nah that is not a townie mindset.

Again, if someone's style is 'unusual' and if you are genuine about solving someone 'unusual' it's townie for you to be the actually trying to interact with t hat slot and/or figure it out

just saying undirected question gets nothing done. i've seen way more scums just ask (not necessarily the same type of) questions in the open air that a lot of people either don't have answer to or answer is straightforward to make it seem it's more obvious that you are asking questions, but in reality those questions doesn't really help any of your solving (e.g. why is X a wagon?)

I really believe if you are town and you genuine thought nic's posting to be weird, you should be asking nic the questions yourself especially by pointing out what was weird/what you are confused about

in fact, you actually NEVER asked nic any questions yourself, you just openly said, "does anyone know this guy's meta?" and then for some reason you think you asked nic yourself, which you never have..

i am thinking this is slip. you don't even know who you directed your questions to, but yout hink you are asking questions. this literally shows you don't care if your questions get answered or not, you are just throwing shit (questions) to the wall and hope it sticks.

you never cared about your question about getting nic's meta anwered by someone. you never asked nic himself to solve his slot. yet you pretend i am misrepresenting you, and also when nic does come in, instead of trying to solve or ask him legit questions, you mistakenly thought you asked him any sort of relevant question, which you have not.

you are a wolf.

[DoubtingThomas]

Also, nic's style of posting is really weird, does anyone know them?

None of the above, nic's style is unusual, you can't deny that, therefore i'm asking if someone knows how he usually acts in general, idk why you're even trying to represent that as me reading him in a specific way

Why not just ask me?

Why not just answer me?

What questions did he ask nic?

What kind of town forget the questions they ask? This guy obviously isn't even paying attention to the questions he's asking people. He's just pretending to ask questions, and do not care about actually getting answers about them. Which is more likely a wolf than town.

[DoubtingThomas]

Tris could you write you name smaller please? It's quite annoying to read it like that


Also thomas acknowledges the vote on him as RVS and yet he still acts as if he's being seriously suspected
VOTE: Thomas

This further matches with this weird post, which I still do not understand where he comes from AND skye, the person who was the one who interacted with me even thinks is a very awkward misrep/push gypyx is trying to cast upon, and consequently is voting me for.

I think I am never moving off of gypyx. This guy's posts are bleeding wolf, and it is now officially thunderdome time. We need to either kill me or gypyx today.

[DoubtingThomas]

Something something frozen

[DoubtingThomas]

I think it’s currently at
DT (3): Akarin, Gypyx, Mastina
gypyx (2): DT, SKYE
SKYE (1): PlusJOYED
NicCage (1): Nona

Not Voting: (2): Dunn, NicCage

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For future reference, Page 2 DT vs. SKYE peak wagons were:
DT (3): Akarin, SKYE, Gypyx
SKYE (3): PlusJOYED, Mastina, DT

1 scum in akarin/gypxy/mastina

and 1 in skye/plustjoyed/nona/dunn/niccage i think

What about the votecounts makes you think this?

i can go with akarin/gypyx/mastina very not likely to w/w

Also why?

I mean. I just find it less likely for 2/2 wolves to get on me 5 pages into the game. I am more likely to see at least 1 wolf is in the 3, although it's not an impossibility to have both wolves to not have voted me. regardless, i independently scum read xygypx

[DoubtingThomas]

it's not a logic that i will live nor die by. no one has done more than me this game so far and i am of opinion, sometimes simple logics do work when people do not expect it.

dunnstral, i'd rather have you say bad logics than post nothing like you pretty much are doing

[DoubtingThomas]

Town's are more likely to at least be posting a post or two (whether or not that post is full of content is a different issue) in a mafia game. Especially if it's their only game?

Like of course they don't have to log in just to play mafia game. However, I think this early into the game it makes a lot of sense to be more engaged and some what interested in solving, but it looks like nona person is not exactly doing that based on the fact that they logged in on Sat and haven't posted since Thurs.

While it doesn't make them wolf 100% of the time, and I do want to resolve gypyxy before her regardless, it should be something that should be in all of our minds going forward.

I also think NicCage is likely to be town for looking at things outside of the game state. Hard to imagine a wolf to be checking people's activity and when they logged in or not.

[DoubtingThomas]

hi

nice try scum pgo

that's interesting

considering that ari also expected to be read better by you, i guess it's likely true.

VOTE: NicCage

It's been 5-6 days since game started, and we have at least some level of content in the 6 pages for nona to say more stuff, which she has not. I mean. She can't be left alive til MYLO with this sort of effort

[DoubtingThomas]

I notice Nona has logged in to the site Saturday, but her last post was on Thursday, and that this is her only game. Nona, I hope you can at least throw in a token post. I'd still like to know your reasoning behind voting me, I don't think that should require much research and reading.

I strongly dislike this direction of reads. I am often active onsite, but activity in a game is a different commitment.

They are overdue for a prod, so Mod will deal with that. Otherwise it's meh unless you have lurkerscum meta for Nona?

- Ari

P.s. I've been reading and have many thoughts but am busy enough to not comment too much. It'll come later.

Like this is an example of a post. Even though you admit yourself that you ARE busy, because (I think you are at least) you are town, or at least capable of presenting townieness (as wolf) that you are able to respond to niccage. while it is not game related, you aren't afraid or dodge-y when it comes to posting. I think nona has had enough time to at least write a "I think X is Y" or ask questions like "Hey X why did you Y?" but she has not which is alarming

[DoubtingThomas]

@ PlusJOYED

What do you think of the DoubtingThomas/Gypyx/NicCage?

I agree there is most likely at least 1 scum in there. I'm not townreading any of them and they give off a bit of scum energy. Of the 3 I'd say gypx is probably a good place to go. Imo he's most likely red.

Wasn't a fan of NicCage entrance and focus on what scum do vs what town do.

Gypx has been doubtful of most posts; he's been critiquing more than he puts out which is bad sign.

Doubting seems overconfident but the rest of his stuff seems fine.

I think NicCage will be more likely to provide good insight if he's town than Gypyx being town. Lets go Gypx
VOTE: Gypyx

"most likely at least 1" ... is confusing to follow. can you clarify?

[DoubtingThomas]

mew
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@thomas

did you ever think i was serious when i was voting you in RVS? What was your thought process about me then?

mew

no because you voted me before i even posted and then said i am scummy for not addressing a vote that happened when i didnt even post yet. that can't be a real scum read.

if anything gun to head i'd say that's more >rand town because it shows as excited townie trying to read people/get reaction from people but it's not crazy to think scum would do that in an attempt to look twbtaw

[DoubtingThomas]

actually, VOTE: thomas

please answer 159

i don't like the way you've pushed on gypyx. while there's truth in there, you exaggerate how big a deal that question from gypyx is.

and also, ari pointed out 136, which is a bad post

hmm so you vote with me agreeing independently that gypyx is scummy, gypyx doesn't do much town indicative things but come to the conclusion that my push on gypyx is a scummy push?

[DoubtingThomas]

@godlenparadox why is me being awkward, not productive, not accurate giving you town ping? that's weird

[DoubtingThomas]

Also why is akarin in null? He's pretty towny imo

explanation for why akarin is townie, please

[DoubtingThomas]

I am not comprehending your math here. But I am thinking that the pushes on me were more >rand wolf agenda so it's higher than 64% chance non-mathematically but reading of the game wise

[DoubtingThomas]

yes. >rand wolf agenda if 3 ppl (2 votes away from maj) stack up less than 3 pages into the game?

that's what i've been saying. what is the point of this question?

[DoubtingThomas]

briefly skimming some posts but i gotta do something for tonight and probably wont be back completely.

as for nicCage's question

i've played with dunnstral like once? probably in early 2019 or late 2018 - i dont remember. i dont know him at all besides from those encounter. i might have honestly subbed out of that game because i was involved in like 10 different games across different sites and was burnt out. dont remember his meta, exactly.

i feel like though he's slanking way too much (unless he started posting more since i came back) i remember him having more influence in the game otherwise.

[DoubtingThomas]

yes. >rand wolf agenda if 3 ppl (2 votes away from maj) stack up less than 3 pages into the game?

that's what i've been saying. what is the point of this question?

The point is me trying to figure out your thought process, you were wanting me to engage with you earlier when I didn't have much to actually ask you, why the resistance to it now?

So do you think a wagon getting to DD-2 on page 3 is unusual?

I think there are like better questions to have asked me if you really wanted to sort my thought process out. I mean that's like a very very small portion out of a lot of posts I made

[DoubtingThomas]

mew
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@thomas

did you ever think i was serious when i was voting you in RVS? What was your thought process about me then?

mew

no because you voted me before i even posted and then said i am scummy for not addressing a vote that happened when i didnt even post yet. that can't be a real scum read.

if anything gun to head i'd say that's more >rand town because it shows as excited townie trying to read people/get reaction from people but it's not crazy to think scum would do that in an attempt to look twbtaw

So, why were you reacting like it was?

The Empress

lol i wasnt?

[DoubtingThomas]

I'm actually feeling TGP scum stronger than I've felt scum on anyone else so far.

The Empress

Based on what?

The Empress

there was like a lot of stuff to talk about. this might be scum

[DoubtingThomas]

ok wtf i thought there was 5 pages to read but seems like only 2 pages i missed.

new quick thoughts wiwth a refreshened mind feel gypyx is more townie for page 9 and skye is townie and niccage is townie.

dunnstral is like so underwhelming (scummy) and i sort of vibe with gypyx's push on akarin. also that push about how do you know 2 wolves exist while i dont necessarily agree with the logic of pushing, i think is very townie tone and mindset in nature. akarin i feel like came to a si milar rconclusion that that might be town slip?

regardless of akarin's alignment me thinking a simialr thought i think makex gypyx very townie

[DoubtingThomas]

to be clear cuz there's a lot of typo's

regardless of akarin's alignment, both akarin and me coming to the conclusion that gypyx's push on akarin for thinking there's only 2 wolves is a town slip means gypyx is always town UNLESS team is exactly akarin/gypyx. which case, i think it's important to flip akarin with the assistance of gypyx's push

[DoubtingThomas]

well i guess akarin and myself can be v/v and tricked by gypyx too. eh

[DoubtingThomas]

i feel like tho akarin/gypyx is only 1 wolf max. i dont think that's scum theater

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: dunnstral

is hardly trying

[DoubtingThomas]

like based on what dunnstral has been posting the dude prob has read on no one

[DoubtingThomas]

Ugh wtf? Theres a Mason claim?

[DoubtingThomas]

Does it change anything?
Ill come Back when i am not tired and tilted as fuck though

[DoubtingThomas]

Wow i didnt read the set up lol. Thats why theres shit ton of scummy people

[unv][\unv]

[DoubtingThomas]

[Unv][/unv]

[DoubtingThomas]

Christ sake how do i unvote

[DoubtingThomas]

UNVOTE:

[DoubtingThomas]

Is niccage the type of player to read instructions a lot? Anyone know? Imo those who are aware of it would only be aware because they are 3p themselves. I will also town read skye for that.

Cage and dunn might be the ones sharing single alignment too

Tgp was not townie and similarly akarin wasnt either imo

[DoubtingThomas]

Ffs i joined this game to play a normal set up

[DoubtingThomas]

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please confirm by telling me what the bolded green text says.

Lmao its not even bolded. No town is reading that shit

I am wolf reading everyone but skye atp

[DoubtingThomas]

That also makes gypyx back to a non town slot read

[DoubtingThomas]

I have niccage dunnstral gypyx tgp and akarin as the 5.

Can we kill nic today who outted that they r non town? Unless someone can specificaly point to nic being a very instruction following boi

[DoubtingThomas]

Ffs i joined this game to play a normal set up

you joined an MBOS game to play a NORMAL setup? oh lord

What does mbos even stand for

Ffs why is this fucking site hard to navigate

Please stop naming ur shit like “road to rome” and stuff its hard

[DoubtingThomas]

Actually nic is in mason chat w dunnstral anyways so tjet both outted themselves yes

[DoubtingThomas]

It makes the most sense to look for scum because they are present in both scenarios and they are the biggest threat.

You keep saying this but you're also pushing me while calling me 3rd party


VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

They are avoiding voting each other off. Kill between these two today thank you

[DoubtingThomas]

Yea tgp not town for sure too

[DoubtingThomas]

i consider neighbor = mason unless someone specifices town mason and both vouch for other's town alignment. too many games like those, mb

[DoubtingThomas]

but yes dunn, i find it odd that you didnt know about the 4 town /5 nontown set up? nic says you are lying? which is it?

my soul vote is on you but ill give u room to speaketh

[DoubtingThomas]

also can we not put him at l-1? i am gonna hard tunnel you, niccage, if another non town player comes in and hammers him before he speaks lol

[DoubtingThomas]

also what's the difference to me if i kill you or dunnstral first?

[DoubtingThomas]

who do you think are towns

[DoubtingThomas]

dunn, how badly do you not want me to hammer you? will you accept my request if I demand something from you but in return I don't vote you?

[DoubtingThomas]

would you address me as daddy from now on?

[DoubtingThomas]

friendly banter

[DoubtingThomas]

lol TGP spectating the game all along huh? gottem

[DoubtingThomas]

if you hammer I am deathtunneling you tomorrow

we can wait couple more hours to see what others say

[DoubtingThomas]

mastina SKYE akarin should read about the neighborhood and give opinion. yes you will be policy lynched if dunn flips town

[DoubtingThomas]

technically 10% chance is lower than the chance of being 2 scums in total of 9 player game, guys. wtf lol

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: mastina

you said TGP?

[DoubtingThomas]

dunn, so you are not town? it seems like that

[DoubtingThomas]

I think we ought to wait a little longer as well.

then unvote for a sec

[DoubtingThomas]

dunn should do more too, tbh

[DoubtingThomas]

FTR - I want other people to read and say what they think about dunn and nic and their neighborhood. I want to vote between TGP and dunn today I think

[DoubtingThomas]

gonna go to a corn maze

[DoubtingThomas]

dunn should do more too, tbh

What you want a song and dance too?

that's rude to the person who literally stopped a hammer on your face

[DoubtingThomas]

sorry

niccage has mod confirmed info that you're 90% likely to be town and 10% to be scum

and he put you at l-1? what?

intent to hammer

you said the same shit as nic, bro

[DoubtingThomas]

did you answer the question i asked where my posts gave you town ping despite you describing it as unproductive, bad, etc whatever

[DoubtingThomas]

urd

[DoubtingThomas]

sky i missed who are your heads?
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sus for not answering fast enough
VOTE: sky

Hey mastina!

Honestly, this post is just to claim the pagetop, but what part of Tris' post is so Alien to you? Why do you think it is scum?

Perhaps you'll be able to rrad me better at least

- Ari

this kinda pings my gut though I have trouble explaining why
ehhhh
VOTE: skye

really townreading plusjoyed from this opening

probably being scum or something

tris

i dont think the two posts that vote me are really scum reading me. do you? why?

"i'm scumreading you"

- tris

Not sure if it's real thought to... scum read me for you voting me before i even posted? How did you expect me to respond?

"Oh! You are voting me before I even posted? Why are you scum reading me?"

Doesn't make sense, right?

VOTE: skye

well, is that your response?

tris

like what kind of posts is this?

no it's actually my selfie

????????????

entire interaction pings me as insanely awkward but i think i'm feeling town vibes from DT and i'll sheep mastina on skye because i haven't played with ari in far too long

Who should I vote for?

don't like this at all

why is town!ari more likely to make that post than tris?

Because tris making that post is probably scum, but Ari making that post is far more likely to be a town-Aristophanes due to Aristophanes being Aristophanes.

You can't expect an action to universally always be scummy or always be townie with 100% accuracy and not take into account specific players. An action that might be generically in-general scummy can be a lock-scumtell for some players or a town indicator for other players even if in general it's scummy; an action that might generically in-general be townie can be a locktown level of town in some players...but also a dead giveaway that some players are actually scum.

25 is a post that, in general, generically speaking, I'd consider to be a scummy post to make.
From tris, I'd go one step further and say it's even a lockscum post.
But from Aristophanes, knowing him as a player, it's actually the opposite, a post that for him, indicates he's more likely to be town.

i think mastina is town here and her skye townread feels well thought out here

because gypyx didn't like the way i was signing my posts, i am now signing them with

mew

please don't

Uh it's not you, it's me.

Should I be voting for this DoubtingThomas character?

That's what they all say *sniffle*

And it depends on how much you like early Day 1 Dastardly Deed -1 (DD-1?)

DT is my top scumread right now, but...

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It's 5 to Perform a Dastardly Deed

I think it’s currently at
DT (3): Akarin, Gypyx, Mastina
gypyx (2): DT, SKYE
SKYE (1): PlusJOYED
NicCage (1): Nona

Not Voting: (2): Dunn, NicCage

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For future reference, Page 2 DT vs. SKYE peak wagons were:
DT (3): Akarin, SKYE, Gypyx
SKYE (3): PlusJOYED, Mastina, DT

1 scum in akarin/gypxy/mastina

and 1 in skye/plustjoyed/nona/dunn/niccage i think

dunn and niccage not voting at this point is an alright look

this separation, while i don't agree at all with it and i don't think trying to do that is productive or accurate, gives me town pings from DT

Ok so thomas is making an enormous fuss about me asking about me asking questions about someone's meta, which like, is not AI in any way

Like, sure thomas's case is wordy, but he repeats his points a lot, to compensate for the lack of content in it

He's even getting to the point of not understeanding the obvious formulation of my post, which has got to be the biggest tunnel i have ever seen of simply just deliberate

And also, to anyone who's interested i have already asked open questions about someone's meta before, and i am the kind of person to forget what questions i asked / accidentally make up others

gut town on gypyx here from this attack

Why should I?

So when I asked you why you asked the question earlier, what are you trying to do? Are you trying to sheep someone, or trying to question someone, or trying to get into the game, or what

I don’t know yet. If someone else gave you a good read, wouldn’t you follow it?

(I legit get strong scum-scum vibes from NicCage-Dunnstral's interactions.)

hard agree with this

@ PlusJOYED

What do you think of the DoubtingThomas/Gypyx/NicCage?

I agree there is most likely at least 1 scum in there. I'm not townreading any of them and they give off a bit of scum energy. Of the 3 I'd say gypx is probably a good place to go. Imo he's most likely red.

Wasn't a fan of NicCage entrance and focus on what scum do vs what town do.

Gypx has been doubtful of most posts; he's been critiquing more than he puts out which is bad sign.

Doubting seems overconfident but the rest of his stuff seems fine.

I think NicCage will be more likely to provide good insight if he's town than Gypyx being town. Lets go Gypx
VOTE: Gypyx

i think gypyx gives off that kind of vibe in general and i'd be inclined to believe that he's the most mislynch-baity out of the three
VOTE: niccage i think this is the best place to put my vote here, i'm also inclined to agree with plusjoyed that there is at least one scum in there and i feel like DT and gypyx are more likely to be town than nic

my reads here:
probtown: mastina, plusjoyed, gypyx
leantown: skye, dt
null: akarin
leanscum: dunnstral
probscum: niccage

you said post 95 i did

[DoubtingThomas]

urd?

yes*

[DoubtingThomas]

veto mastina lynch

[DoubtingThomas]

akarin's just voting whoever the fuck they want, yeah?

[DoubtingThomas]

the mod should update on the sub sitatuion/vc/deadline cuz i dk if it ended or not, tbh

[DoubtingThomas]

gypyx. who you wanna vote?

[DoubtingThomas]

i thought there were some votes on plus

[DoubtingThomas]

just curious - did you skim or read all the posts?

[DoubtingThomas]

i like his entrance - but i can't quite put my finger on it. sounds like a competent player who can fake this sort of vibe and play as either alignment. i am wondering what others saw in PLUSjoyed cuz i saw some votes?

[DoubtingThomas]

i don't religiously believe in meta, but it can be better than nothing. if you don't mind, you can explain what you believe yourself is like in either alignment.

[DoubtingThomas]

dunn's defense of niccage lacks critical t hinking and suspicion that a town player should have naturally in the game. he's prob scum here

[DoubtingThomas]

let's kill dunn

[DoubtingThomas]

I have a geuniune scummy vibe/read on more than 2 people that I think it makes more sense that we are not i the 2 scum world, but the 5 3-p world. It also makes sense with multiple people trying to push the 2 people scum world, which I personally don't make sense based on how many people have been posting so much with agenda. It's a personal take and might be a bad take, but I don't think there's a need for a neighborhood in a 2 scum vs 7 town game. A mason, maybe, but a neighborhood? (neighborhood makes sense in a 5 person 3-p world because the game is not fully comprised of only towns and scums)

[DoubtingThomas]

Okay, the only way I see this move making sense for teamscum!Gypyx is if he's partners with Dunn and panicked about how little resistance there might be to a Dunn Dastardly Deed. Otherwise it just seems too weird to be scum.

Why did you not consider Nic + Dunn a possibility?

Why did I not consider a Gypyx + Nic + Dunn scumteam in a 9 player game?

Yes. 5 3P is valid they could all be scum.

certainly posts like this wehre I think 3p's are just trying super hard to hide the fact that they are 3p. Some others who seem to be responsible for this fallacy (e.g. dunnstral and nic) If I were a town, and if I am in a neighborhood with someone else who is saying stuff like "I have info that you are 10% chance of being scum! and especially now that nic pointed out there's a chance that the game is not 2 scum/7 town, my first guess is to be very very extra wary of the other person in my neighborhood. neighborhood just doesn't seem that plausible in a 9 player game with 2 scums.

or maybe dunn might be the actual scum in 2s/7t game so he's confbiasing himself? idk

[DoubtingThomas]

killing dunn is probably a necessity at this point regardless of his alignment. we need information there. him or niccage.

[DoubtingThomas]

Can some of the non-MathBlade people please chime in more?

Hi I am mastina and my name is not Mathblade and thus I can chime in with this:

My townbloc, as in, town that I think can work together to solidly lock the game down, is:
{Akarin, Mathblade, TheGoldenParadox}.
If you want to throw in locktown reads, throw in Gypyx in there as well, who I don't see as having the same ability to work well with us but who I think is town.

That's four names; I am a fifth.

That leaves four names remaining:
{DoubtingThomas, SKYEscrapers, NicCage, Dunnstral}.

Regardless of 7-2 or 4 town, I believe that the game's scum are found in the four above; if the game's got four town, then the above contain the scum/'scum' of the game along with 3ps that aren't scum. In either case, they contain the players with the highest chances of flipping nontown.

Of them, Nic's by far the towniest by play, but with a fairly sketchy claim;
Dunnstral's by far the scummiest by play, but if Nic's claim is legitimate, has a fair chance to not be scum;
DoubtingThomas and SKYEscrapers are both, conditionally, possible scum candidates regardless.

you should read my posts. from what I gather all 3 of the people in your town bloc town reads me at least to a point to not put me in the poe today.

[DoubtingThomas]

i feel like all of this 3p vs non 3p discussion is deliberately something thrown in by schadd to mess with us, and I feel like the amount of discussion that's based on the word 3p instead of town is far too large.

I think I can be fairly confident that this game is, fundamentally, mafia. It's an uninformed majority pitted against an informed minority. Thus, while there might be 3ps in the game, the amount of focus there seems bad. We know that two individuals, with a wincon somewhat or fully mutual to each other and fully exclusive to that of town (all threats to the town must be eliminated, therefore they must be a threat to the town, because otherwise this wouldn't be a game of mafia.) As in, there's an uninformed majority, and an informed minority: like MBOS Large, there may be differing levels of information within those two groups, but those are the two groups.

Thus, if this is a 3p game, I am fairly comfortable treating any 3ps that aren't part of the "scumgroup" as town, at very least for d1. Mechanically, Nic seems like scum, and from play, nic seems to me like scum as well. VOTE: niccage

We have less than 24 hours left. It's compromise time.

mastina, dunn, akarin, gypyx, would you join this?

that's not true. i am completely town and I think the possibility that this game is literally either a game where 5/9 people are 3p or not is sorta important to address. It's not like one of those games where there's a CHANCE of being a 3p maybe 1-2 ppl out of a massive number of people though? over majority of people being 3p is like very different dynamic.

There's no guarantee that all 5 3p's have similar wincondition to town (e.g. Jester or maybe someone wins in town's stead if they are last to survive etc). I didn't get that only 2 out of the 5 possible 3p's are of 'scum alignment' - did I miss something?

[DoubtingThomas]

My role is stupid if I'm not town. It might as well say "Your neighbor is town", since there are no mafia.
But who cares.

this post is kinda poor.

[DoubtingThomas]

like what is Dunnstral doing? He's literally posting 1 post while others are posting like at least 5 times? Not that activity should be used to scum read people but this is like to the point where he just simply seems like he has no interest in game? He will never leave the PoE like he deserves and we could sort of clear nic based on whether or not dunnstral flips a scum rolecard. I also have this huge gut feeling that he's most likely to have a team right now based on how the thread slowly moving away from his lynch over niccage's even though t here's not much point in that and would like a dunnstral flip first.

[DoubtingThomas]

i feel like all of this 3p vs non 3p discussion is deliberately something thrown in by schadd to mess with us, and I feel like the amount of discussion that's based on the word 3p instead of town is far too large.

I think I can be fairly confident that this game is, fundamentally, mafia. It's an uninformed majority pitted against an informed minority. Thus, while there might be 3ps in the game, the amount of focus there seems bad. We know that two individuals, with a wincon somewhat or fully mutual to each other and fully exclusive to that of town (all threats to the town must be eliminated, therefore they must be a threat to the town, because otherwise this wouldn't be a game of mafia.) As in, there's an uninformed majority, and an informed minority: like MBOS Large, there may be differing levels of information within those two groups, but those are the two groups.

Thus, if this is a 3p game, I am fairly comfortable treating any 3ps that aren't part of the "scumgroup" as town, at very least for d1. Mechanically, Nic seems like scum, and from play, nic seems to me like scum as well. VOTE: niccage

We have less than 24 hours left. It's compromise time.

mastina, dunn, akarin, gypyx, would you join this?

that's not true. i am completely town and I think the possibility that this game is literally either a game where 5/9 people are 3p or not is sorta important to address. It's not like one of those games where there's a CHANCE of being a 3p maybe 1-2 ppl out of a massive number of people though? over majority of people being 3p is like very different dynamic.

There's no guarantee that all 5 3p's have similar wincondition to town (e.g. Jester or maybe someone wins in town's stead if they are last to survive etc). I didn't get that only 2 out of the 5 possible 3p's are of 'scum alignment' - did I miss something?

It’s in the OP.

I really think A should be switched for DT in Mastina’s block.

Then again I suspect she may have her own reasons for that block.

is A, Akarin?

[DoubtingThomas]

like what is Dunnstral doing? He's literally posting 1 post while others are posting like at least 5 times? Not that activity should be used to scum read people but this is like to the point where he just simply seems like he has no interest in game? He will never leave the PoE like he deserves and we could sort of clear nic based on whether or not dunnstral flips a scum rolecard. I also have this huge gut feeling that he's most likely to have a team right now based on how the thread slowly moving away from his lynch over niccage's even though t here's not much point in that and would like a dunnstral flip first.

this sort of behavior by dunnstral probably makes MOST sense if he is non-town (likely 3p or scum whatever). he literally has 0 motivation to solve anyone and is clearly showing thata by his posting even though there's less than 24 hours to go and there actually has been incredible amount of new information. like the difference in how fast the thread is growing (people are posting) seems like 15mph run versus like a 60mph run now. but dunnstral is going the exact opposite of that which is

NOT TOWNIE

[DoubtingThomas]

ftr, even though I was scum reading Akarin before I feel better about her, I think. I think as scum she would have put me in her PoE, but she didn't even though it probably was really easy for her to do so. I think I see a genuine progression in thought there.

[DoubtingThomas]

As for mastina, her posts from first 3 pages compared to the posts in the last ~5 ish pages are like night and day. I am not sure if I can really categorize that to be scummy or townie. Yes, in general, it's town indicative to show more motivation in genuine solving after new info is out. However, because this game can be a 5 person 3-p game, this sort of behavior is probably also true for non-town alignment player.

[DoubtingThomas]

like what is Dunnstral doing? He's literally posting 1 post while others are posting like at least 5 times? Not that activity should be used to scum read people but this is like to the point where he just simply seems like he has no interest in game? He will never leave the PoE like he deserves and we could sort of clear nic based on whether or not dunnstral flips a scum rolecard. I also have this huge gut feeling that he's most likely to have a team right now based on how the thread slowly moving away from his lynch over niccage's even though t here's not much point in that and would like a dunnstral flip first.

this sort of behavior by dunnstral probably makes MOST sense if he is non-town (likely 3p or scum whatever). he literally has 0 motivation to solve anyone and is clearly showing thata by his posting even though there's less than 24 hours to go and there actually has been incredible amount of new information. like the difference in how fast the thread is growing (people are posting) seems like 15mph run versus like a 60mph run now. but dunnstral is going the exact opposite of that which is

NOT TOWNIE

Nah. I think Dunn is scummy for other reasons, but his activity level isn’t one of them. Expecting someone to keep up with me on d1 is a bit much.

I don't see much difference in lynching nic or dunn over the other. why do you prefer nic? if anything nic was the more pro-town slot. dunn was the one who was trying to hide information from the townies?

[DoubtingThomas]

ftr, even though I was scum reading Akarin before I feel better about her, I think. I think as scum she would have put me in her PoE, but she didn't even though it probably was really easy for her to do so. I think I see a genuine progression in thought there.

I think A is looking for a way out and knows you’re not low hanging fruit.

The resistance to both Nic and Dunn is rather telling neither have been hammered.

I can see that. I also believe Nic and Dunn should be dead soon. why are you voting dunn over nic?

[DoubtingThomas]

ftr, I am not against dunn nor nic lynch. i think most optimal kill is between the two slots today. I want to hear what others' opinions are on the two. we should kill out of the two people who have claimed neighbor

[DoubtingThomas]

As for mastina, her posts from first 3 pages compared to the posts in the last ~5 ish pages are like night and day. I am not sure if I can really categorize that to be scummy or townie. Yes, in general, it's town indicative to show more motivation in genuine solving after new info is out. However, because this game can be a 5 person 3-p game, this sort of behavior is probably also true for non-town alignment player.

Mastina could be a 3P, but if she is she’s townsiding today and not worth a PoE.

I kinda hinted at it when I mentioned you should be in the town block.

More than likely if she is 3P, Mastina is balancing siding with A who is likely 3P and me who is town and trying to figure out how to fit which is why she pushed Skye for a bit.

I don’t see her as group scum though.

yeah, I got the same vibe. she was getting pushed by I believe dunn and the wagon was getting a minor attraction not too much before you subbed in. that push came out of nowhere

[DoubtingThomas]

ftr, even though I was scum reading Akarin before I feel better about her, I think. I think as scum she would have put me in her PoE, but she didn't even though it probably was really easy for her to do so. I think I see a genuine progression in thought there.

I think A is looking for a way out and knows you’re not low hanging fruit.

The resistance to both Nic and Dunn is rather telling neither have been hammered.

I can see that. I also believe Nic and Dunn should be dead soon. why are you voting dunn over nic?

I’m not?

oh I saw nic vote you and you said 'bring it' and 'omgus' so I assumed you voted him and he voted you back

[DoubtingThomas]

UGH it's late and I should just go to sleep. the question I guess is why you are voting nic over dunn. I personally believe both are about the same and dunn gives out a lot of information too. nic is a better player to have around for another day+ if he's gonna post more. it's weird, but it's true. if players don't post enough it's gonna be hard to read them regardless of their alignment and isn't good for town.

if you are willing to convince me to vote nic over dunn, I am open to hearing it

[DoubtingThomas]

do we no lynch if we don't have enough vote? My soul vote is on nic

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: niccage

This is L-1

[DoubtingThomas]

worry not, niccage. if you are town, please leave a legacy that we can sheep.

[DoubtingThomas]

fuck man. math is a great kill lol math GOAT for being nk n1'ed after subbing in

[DoubtingThomas]

i will go back and read what math's reads were. probably a scum or two in there

[DoubtingThomas]

Math, you made over 6 pages worth of posts in a 30 page game in 24 hours.

People are coasting and it's easy for them to miss or "miss" questions in the noise.

I want to see TGP actually explain their thoughts before the day ends.

And a majority of that was catching up / getting into the swing of things.

Again you’re failing to interact with the logic above.

You posting about that doesn’t stop TGP from answering and if need be I will be a cheerleader for it.

However you need to confront the reality of how defensive/anti-hunt Nic is truly being.

Math, do you really feel like a game where everyone fights with you and no one has any interactions with each other makes scumhunting easier?

Akarin, do you engage in hyperbole often to distract from caught scum?

You want to hunt TGP I am helping you.

You lied I called you out. Your response is this.

This is similar to the Undertale game where there was one freakin scum out of 20 plus players.

You should be trying to figure out where your stance is on Nic.

If I am right, I am probably deader than a doornail tomorrow which is okay.

YOU ARE NOT HELPING.

You're making it hard for me to get anything out of anyone else and you're honestly really hurting engagement in the game.

I shut up for 12 hours close to deadline.

I won’t let you go on a fucking fishing expedition for someone else.

You have blatantly refused to interact with the arguments and only said Nic is town.

Sorry you don’t like Nic is the elim today.

TGP did respond to you and you responded with a lie.

If you tell the truth and interact with what is in thread I miraculously shut up.

If you do bullshit I stop you.

My scum possible list: Nic, A, Mastina, Ari Hydra, Dunn

That’s the order of priority too imho assuming Nic is scum.

If Nic is town then A gets temporary reprieve. The last two admittedly are PoE as I like everyone else more.

[DoubtingThomas]

akarin is almost too wifomy to be a wolf with that mathblade kill. but i prefer akarin kill still

[DoubtingThomas]

gypyx had akarin as townie yesterday and is quick to reevaluate with mathblade kill i associate that with towniness

[DoubtingThomas]

cuz i read the posts i scraped

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: akarin

[DoubtingThomas]

cuz i read the posts i scraped

And that leads to me being your preferred Dastardly Deed for what reason?

what do you mean - how is a flipped town (mathblad) who seems like an obvious competent player being dead in n1 after only subbing in midway through d1 like not have any weight to you? you were his 'next in line to chop' that's what i mean by wifom

[DoubtingThomas]

i didnt read your posts. maybe later. independent of mathblade then, why do you town read akarin?

[DoubtingThomas]

Gypyx, you should also be pushing Mastina by the way, she made the same scumslip I did.

wher?

[DoubtingThomas]

apologies that wasn't supposed to be a protege i'm just so ridiculously lost on what to think after those flips.

i plan to treat dunnstral as town, because by and large the biggest factors of my scumread on them came from their interactions with nic and i am nowhere near confident enough in my scumread to override the overwhelming mechanical evidence of them being town. that being said, they are playing scummily.

i still townread mastina, although to a lesser extent than i did yesterday (i'm much more open to the possibility of her simply having pocketed me d1.) also townleaning on akarin, and i would prefer to not get either of them today.

gypyx radiates town energy to me, and if that slot is scum i'll be extremely surprised, so avoiding that as well.

so we're left with {skye, DT}, the latter of which is pretty null but looking worse and worse. that being said, skye has seemed off to me, especially the entire three-person hydra's drop in activity and general... off play, so i'm good with VOTE: skye today.

i am looking worse and worse, yeah? lol

[DoubtingThomas]

dunnstral magically scum reading me out of his ass after he barely survives d1 and the only strong townie who town read me is nk'ed n1. convenient

[DoubtingThomas]

am i remembering correctly math said dunn is likely town if niccage is town?

[DoubtingThomas]

[unv][/unv]

bbl i am busy

[DoubtingThomas]

UNVOTE:

[DoubtingThomas]

@DT
Among other places:

Given the game size, a D1 town win (from just one threat to the town) seems unlikely.
Given the small number of town in the game if there's 4 town, 3/4 mutually-exclusive-to-town seems unlikely.
Therefore, the most likely number of nontown whose wincon is mutually exclusive with the town is two.

schadd_ has stated that of the nontown, two will share a PT and have some mutuality in wincon.

It is not much of a leap from "the most likely number of nontown whose wincon is mutually exclusive with the town, is two", and "schadd stated that of the nontown, two share a PT and have some mutuality in wincon", to conclude that the two players who share a PT with mutuality in wincon, are the two players whose wincon is mutually exclusive with the town's wincon.

If you make that leap, then for all intents and purposes, the two players whose wincon is mutually exclusive with the town's wincon, who share a PT and have some mutuality in their wincon, are for all intents and purposes, Scum.

But the bigger point is that I feel like everyone sort of acknowledged it when I said this, moved on (other than maybe Gypyx) and now the "scumslip" is back to being an actual part of your/Gypyx's reasoning with no actual, forgive the harshness,

thought

going into it.

uhm maybe i should come back later but like i re-read this three times and i dont get it? i had a long day at work. can you paraphrase?

[DoubtingThomas]

I'm not up for voting Skye. I scumread DoubtingThomas but t hey're less likely than mastina

what changed?

The Empress

What changed from where

DT? Their votes are really bad

can you elaborate on what makes my votes bad?

[DoubtingThomas]

did you answer the question i asked where my posts gave you town ping despite you describing it as unproductive, bad, etc whatever

me?

yeah
it's unproductive and probably inaccurate
but it's not the kind of thing i see scum doing

also don't see scum making 317 (although it's gross and you should be ashamed of yourself) and generally playing as you have; you seem genuine and bold.

^sorry that was a reply to 349

apologies that wasn't supposed to be a protege i'm just so ridiculously lost on what to think after those flips.

i plan to treat dunnstral as town, because by and large the biggest factors of my scumread on them came from their interactions with nic and i am nowhere near confident enough in my scumread to override the overwhelming mechanical evidence of them being town. that being said, they are playing scummily.

i still townread mastina, although to a lesser extent than i did yesterday (i'm much more open to the possibility of her simply having pocketed me d1.) also townleaning on akarin, and i would prefer to not get either of them today.

gypyx radiates town energy to me, and if that slot is scum i'll be extremely surprised, so avoiding that as well.

so we're left with {skye, DT}, the latter of which is pretty null but looking worse and worse. that being said, skye has seemed off to me, especially the entire three-person hydra's drop in activity and general... off play, so i'm good with VOTE: skye today.

I am not sure how you can change your read on me, especially given that you haven't mentioned me at all in your posts after you made the post explaining your town read on me. @TGP

[DoubtingThomas]

Because it's on flipped town yesterday

that's really trash. not to mention that math thought you were a serious scum prospect yesterday as well.

i think mastina's recent posts have been pretty good. what's your case on them?

[DoubtingThomas]

did you answer the question i asked where my posts gave you town ping despite you describing it as unproductive, bad, etc whatever

me?

yeah
it's unproductive and probably inaccurate
but it's not the kind of thing i see scum doing

also don't see scum making 317 (although it's gross and you should be ashamed of yourself) and generally playing as you have; you seem genuine and bold.

^sorry that was a reply to 349

apologies that wasn't supposed to be a protege i'm just so ridiculously lost on what to think after those flips.

i plan to treat dunnstral as town, because by and large the biggest factors of my scumread on them came from their interactions with nic and i am nowhere near confident enough in my scumread to override the overwhelming mechanical evidence of them being town. that being said, they are playing scummily.

i still townread mastina, although to a lesser extent than i did yesterday (i'm much more open to the possibility of her simply having pocketed me d1.) also townleaning on akarin, and i would prefer to not get either of them today.

gypyx radiates town energy to me, and if that slot is scum i'll be extremely surprised, so avoiding that as well.

so we're left with {skye, DT}, the latter of which is pretty null but looking worse and worse. that being said, skye has seemed off to me, especially the entire three-person hydra's drop in activity and general... off play, so i'm good with VOTE: skye today.

I am not sure how you can change your read on me, especially given that you haven't mentioned me at all in your posts after you made the post explaining your town read on me. @TGP

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also why is dunnstral acting like he's lock clear, lol

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i think akarin today hasn't been that impressive

[DoubtingThomas]

hmm well maybe akarin's series of posts asking for people's read and urging people to do something in this game state is rather townie

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hmm hm. what about dunn, akarin?

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90% chance of being town and 10% chance of being scum? so more likely to be town than not scum? honestly wtf is that information. such a useless role

[DoubtingThomas]

did you answer the question i asked where my posts gave you town ping despite you describing it as unproductive, bad, etc whatever

me?

yeah
it's unproductive and probably inaccurate
but it's not the kind of thing i see scum doing

also don't see scum making 317 (although it's gross and you should be ashamed of yourself) and generally playing as you have; you seem genuine and bold.

^sorry that was a reply to 349

apologies that wasn't supposed to be a protege i'm just so ridiculously lost on what to think after those flips.

i plan to treat dunnstral as town, because by and large the biggest factors of my scumread on them came from their interactions with nic and i am nowhere near confident enough in my scumread to override the overwhelming mechanical evidence of them being town. that being said, they are playing scummily.

i still townread mastina, although to a lesser extent than i did yesterday (i'm much more open to the possibility of her simply having pocketed me d1.) also townleaning on akarin, and i would prefer to not get either of them today.

gypyx radiates town energy to me, and if that slot is scum i'll be extremely surprised, so avoiding that as well.

so we're left with {skye, DT}, the latter of which is pretty null but looking worse and worse. that being said, skye has seemed off to me, especially the entire three-person hydra's drop in activity and general... off play, so i'm good with VOTE: skye today.

I am not sure how you can change your read on me, especially given that you haven't mentioned me at all in your posts after you made the post explaining your town read on me. @TGP

can you answer this please

[DoubtingThomas]

so dunnstral is either wolf siding really bad while not trying

or just wolf

[DoubtingThomas]

y'all are so bad y'all would never be able to solve me if i were a wolf lmao.

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I am not sure how you can change your read on me, especially given that you haven't mentioned me at all in your posts after you made the post explaining your town read on me. @TGP

honestly? mostly poe. i'll explain which posts of yours pushed you down in my reads tomorrow, i need to sleep.

can you answer the god damn question i posted like 3 times bro

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at least one of dunn-akarin is a wolf. if one or both of you are town, seriously reconsider your play this game. horrendous

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seriously like dont try to work at all, come back and pretend you are clear when you are not, refuse to talk, and vote me who you wont ever be able to correctly solve if i were a wolf. shame on you

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probably good to sheep mathblade's read who was likely fear killed

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VOTE: akarin

i am vt btw so you can hammer me if y'all are gonna do what y'all do (miselim)

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happy thanksgiving

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I'm not willing to vote Dunn before either Eliminate-or-Lose OR a flip of either Mafia or 3rd party.

please do explain

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DT is by far the towniest of the three. I'll do it, but conditional on you listening to me tomorrow in the guarantee that if DoubtingThomas flips town as I think, that the scumteam is exactly SKYEscrapers and Dunnstral.

think this is TMI, tbh

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ugh, if I die and SKYE flips scum, take SKYE-DT seriously, I think that's more likely than SKYE-Dunn (although I admit that's a reasonable pair as well.)

i dont think SKYE is scum and you for some reason keep fixating on us two is really really really really bad if town

really. seriously. please reconsider your play after i flip town

[DoubtingThomas]

ya i think akarin is more likely scum than dunn. but dunn is just not really using his brain, so that's throwing me off.

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o well why even try if ppl dont even listen to me anyways

gl