Better, but not sure if it's all the way there. Mastina's the primary, so I'll wait to hear from her.
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:49 am
by mastina
Still way way way scumsided--hider as a Normal role is not an investigative; it is a much much weaker version of a commuter. The game with a 2x hider and a roleblocker barely has kill denial at all, has an incredibly weak investigative role (a full vanilla cop for the town would still be a C-tier investigation role, at best; I'd rate vanilla cop in this setup as even worse, a D-tier town investigative that does almost nothing), and the visitor doesn't give the town any value.
Basically the town PRs don't actually give them any advantage; it'd still be scumsided even against an all-goon scumteam.
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:38 pm
by Isis
If you want the game to focus on kill prevention you'll want to have more powerful variants like a doctor rather than a hider, maybe a jailkeeper, and lots of it.
If you want to have a large number of VTs, at least a couple of your roles will need to be heavy hitting investigatives.
I think if the visitor was more explicitly an FN and the rolecop was dropped the setup would be ok, but I wouldn't be surprised if mastina wants to add more than that. I'll ping her with a PM since obviously it's been a minute here.
Yeah, I would think that's passable but I'm a somewhat green reviewer. Mastina is the primary that needs to like it.
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:07 pm
by mastina
I'd say it's in the balanced realm. The town has incredibly strong kill-denial potential (the scum won't have the best of times until 2/3 of those prs are dead with less scum deaths), but they've got only one conftown player and their investigative does nothing to catch scum, aside from verifying or disproving claims. It's a good way to force the game to revolve around dayplay--the scum's only night power is somewhat limited due to the town PRs, but they won't be caught by the town PRs, so I quite like it. It feels like a fairly low swing setup overall, all things considered.
I do need to see the role PMs and result PMs before passing it tho.
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:44 pm
by NoPowerOverMe
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:48 pm
by NoPowerOverMe
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:56 pm
by NoPowerOverMe
Result PMs:
Factional Kill: Player X has been eliminated.
Vanilla Cop: Result A: Player X is Vanilla. Result B: Player X is Not Vanilla.
Town Roleblocker: If house visited performed action: Player X was roleblocked. If house visited did not perform action: No Result PM.
Town Friendly Neighbor: Target receives: Player X is town.
Town Doctor: If a kill was attempted on player protected: Player X was protected. If no kill was attempted on player protected: No Result PM
Death PM:
You have been killed. Feel free to post in the dead thread here.
Elimination Notice:
Player X has been eliminated. They were a [role].
It is now night X. Day will begin in countdown - 3 days - /countdown
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:32 pm
by Isis
Roleblockers and doctors should never receive feedback on what happened with their action. You never send those two roles results PMs of any kind.
Just to make sure you know, a Mafia Goon investigates as "vanilla".
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:37 pm
by NoPowerOverMe
Result PMs:
Factional Kill: Player X has been eliminated.
Vanilla Cop: Result A: Player X is Vanilla. Result B: Player X is Not Vanilla. Mafia Goon investigates Vanilla.
Town Roleblocker: No Result PM.
Town Friendly Neighbor: Target receives: Player X is town.
Town Doctor:No Result PM
Death PM:
You have been killed. Feel free to post in the dead thread here.
Elimination Notice:
Player X has been eliminated. They were a [role].
It is now night X. Day will begin in countdown - 3 days - /countdown
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:44 pm
by Isis
If you want to put the information about Mafia Goons in the result PMs, it should be in both PMs and probably be in parentheses. That's fine. If I was modding I'd probably mention it in the role PM. There's several ways to skin a cat.
You're missing the PM that you send to a Vanilla Cop when the Vanilla Cop tries to investigate someone but got targetted by the Town Roleblocker the same night. Mods generally send a nothingness PM in those cases to make it clear that the moderator didn't simply forget about the pending action. Something like "You were unable to determine anything" (it's important to use some kind of message that neither confirms nor denies they were roleblocked, because the setup could have no roleblockers but could instead include an Ascetic)
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:05 pm
by NoPowerOverMe
Result PMs:
Factional Kill: Player X has been eliminated.
Vanilla Cop: Result A: Player X is Vanilla. Result B: Player X is Not Vanilla. Result C: (if roleblocked) You were unable to determine anything. Mafia Goon investigates Vanilla.
Town Roleblocker: No Result PM.
Town Friendly Neighbor: Target receives: Player X is town.
Town Doctor:No Result PM
Death PM:
You have been killed. Feel free to post in the dead thread here.
Elimination Notice:
Player X has been eliminated. They were a [role].
It is now night X. Day will begin in countdown - 3 days - /countdown