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we played together once a long time ago~In post 584, superbowl9 wrote:Also don’t i know you from somewhere cat man?- catboi
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lmaoIn post 154, Guillotina wrote:I havent been to a site where i'm new and i dont get lynch first, so i figured it must be because it makes me unpredictable threat to scum.- catboi
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I have not read the full game yet (on page 10 atm), but out of context, this is what that looks like to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯In post 610, JohnnyFarrar wrote:So like, that timing does suck Tommy but I have an alternative theory: the personality clash. He pushed you, you came and annoyed him and he wanted to leave. I think that's just as likely as your theory, which is why he's not the slam dunk you think he is.- catboi
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That is nullest of incredibly null posts and it's more than a little concerning you'd have someone as town above everyone else based on a page 2 post where he says he's sad about not being mafia/SK (¬ω¬)In post 612, Guillotina wrote:In post 34, Aristophanes wrote:
I wish!In post 32, superbowl9 wrote:Oh whats up ari! I feel like you rolled scum this game for some weird reason
I love the idea of winning this as scum or especially as SK!
Alas, it is not in the cards this time
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Wanted to join to say hi, unfortunately starting to think you miiight be scum~In post 627, superbowl9 wrote:
Wow throwback! Good to see you again!In post 588, catboi wrote:
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Maybe when I'm done reading …φ(ω ̄*)In post 636, Chaos Triforce wrote:Ok. Now's where you write a whole analytical essay about why
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Can you elaborate on why you think guillotina is scum? Do you have any other reads?In post 637, superbowl9 wrote:
a short-lived reuinionIn post 632, catboi wrote:Wanted to join to say hi, unfortunately starting to think you miiight be scum~- catboi
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What would you define as 'more productive'?In post 663, superbowl9 wrote:
This is EXACTLY what I’m talking about. It’s an overton window shift, we’re now having a discsussion about whether or not what Guillo said is really THAT bad or not. I’m saying can we ditch this and have more productive conversations?In post 659, Gamma Emerald wrote:And I feel like their posting isn’t as bad as you try to put it. Sure guillo’s 651 looks like a bunch of confbiased overeager theorycrafting garbage, but it also seems like a real take at least.- catboi
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You've expressed he's "different", but in what way, exactly? You named him as a scum read in 555 but keep saying you're not willing to act on that? Do you have thoughts on anything he's posted since then? This whole read from you is super weak.In post 667, JohnnyFarrar wrote:In post 553, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Gamma reads different in this game than he did in our two previous games together. But also both of those games were WEIRD AS FUCK so not willing to act on that.- catboi
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I wasn't suggesting voting him, I'm just curious why you'd ever considered him scummy in the first place.In post 693, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
Doesn't matter, not limming Gamma today. Gut.In post 691, catboi wrote:
You've expressed he's "different", but in what way, exactly? You named him as a scum read in 555 but keep saying you're not willing to act on that? Do you have thoughts on anything he's posted since then? This whole read from you is super weak.In post 667, JohnnyFarrar wrote:In post 553, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Gamma reads different in this game than he did in our two previous games together. But also both of those games were WEIRD AS FUCK so not willing to act on that.- catboi
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I'm just highly curious about his progression there, because a lot of his play was fairly neutral, breaking up fights and questioning reads other people gave, but when it came to his own stances he'd offered very few and had named you and tayl0r as scumreads, and his reasoning on you didn't seem great. I like that he's backed down but I still want to understand his process there.In post 708, Gamma Emerald wrote:BM I highly suggest you read the thread before Town blocking
Also @catboi tbh I think Johnny is approaching me in a pretty sensible way for the view he is expressing. My only games with him have been Town games so if he thinks I look different that would look sus on me. I won’t call it a Town move yet but it’s certainly the proper move if he is town.
I like you asking that sort of question though. You can go into the weak townreads tier
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The whole 'case' against Gamma from Guillotina is hot-air nonsense that mostly assumes gamma being scum as a prior then assembles "evidence" working off the idea of him being scum in the first place when he's been fairly studiously scumhunting for most of the day. Does guillo-scum bother with such an elaborate setup, though? I have doubts.- catboi
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It's fine, just keep using the same account even if one of you isn't posting. Easier to ISO-read the game that way.In post 766, Chaos Triforce wrote:I can certainly make another tho. Thats easy.
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Subscribe and bookmark are both at the bottom of the page.In post 768, Guillotina wrote:How do i subscribe to or bookmark threads here?
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Not really easy to explain. My feeling is, may be loud, annoying, distracting, but that doesn't necessarily add up to scummy, even if his case is bad I don't think it's a rabbit hole scum goes down. I also agree with battle mage in that I don't expect scum to pursue a loud, high-impact approach to the game on day 1 in this setup.In post 778, superbowl9 wrote:
Why not?In post 769, catboi wrote:I don't really support a guillotina vote today.
That's a tricky one to me, I sped through the thread yesterday and my thoughts are a little disorganized. I disliked chaos the most as I felt their posting lacked substance, and their avoidance of actually reading into the thomas/superbowl fight shows a lack of willingness to sort, their main pushes have just been retaliatory toward pob long and gamma, and I didn't really care for their attack on gamma. Had been suspicious of johnny and how he was staying in the background but is seeming a little bit more town. I haven't really cared for anything superbowl has said, when I subbed in the slapfight with DT looked ego-based but he mostly seems keen on voting people for being annoying rather than finding scumreads? Taylor's another one who's been active but not providing much substance.In post 790, Battle Mage wrote:I sort of like the progression in Catboi's ISO, as it has the vibe of genuine solving. But it's also pretty cagey and not throwing a lot of shade.
Catboi - who are your top scumreads today?
I see your vote on pob long, but I actually got very slight townvibes from what he posted, at the start of the game people were mostly fluffing around and he came in early with a serious accusation. Not impossible to fake, but absent anything else to read him on, that's town points. That puts him slightly ahead of Aristophanes in my mind, who didn't say much of anything.- catboi
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I actually think DT is town (said as much after catching up). I'm iffy on guillo but don't want to go there on day 1.In post 960, superbowl9 wrote:
I assume you TR DT for the same reasoning then?In post 958, catboi wrote:Not really easy to explain. My feeling is, may be loud, annoying, distracting, but that doesn't necessarily add up to scummy, even if his case is bad I don't think it's a rabbit hole scum goes down. I also agree with battle mage in that I don't expect scum to pursue a loud, high-impact approach to the game on day 1 in this setup.- catboi
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Please do not misunderstand pob long, I find your presence an entertaining and invaluable relief for a game that has been way too hostile latelyIn post 1120, pob long wrote:
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I don't see the purpose of a non-aligned read with no flips in a setup with only 2 mafia. Like, yes, those two are unlikely to be scum together, but there are 66 possible pairings of players in the game, and only 1 is going to be a team, you could pick 2 people at random and have something like this be true.In post 1180, Chaos Triforce wrote:
weird read, but: the bolded reads as very theatrical, it's meant to be a joke I know, but I think scum avoid sounding like that to their buddy. don't think chk and Taylor are scum togetherIn post 1132, chkflip wrote:
Scums more likely to know the setup? It's an angleshoot, but I've seen plenty and most of them are this bad.In post 1129, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i just dont see how not knowing theres a vig would indicate someone is town. thats kinda a prerequisite for something being a townslip
In post 1130, Tayl0r Swift wrote: also first that wasnt sassy. ill show you sassy if you dont give me the respect im entitled to. and when i do get sassy with you i recommend not lying to me.How dare you call me disrespectful. I know a woman and she has told me I'm a very honorable person. So p'shaw to your accusations of anything otherwise. Harumph! (Read as: I was just prodding you. Yikes.)
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His posts were moderately suspect but he also stopped posting while the game was more or less still in RVS fluff phase so it's hard to hold that against him. I don't have strong scumreads and a lot of people seem town so it may amount to a scumread on him for poe reasons, but I'm willing to see what he says when he comes back.In post 1175, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I ALSO know Ari doesn’t like playing scum as much as playing townIn post 1173, JohnnyFarrar wrote:The vibe being "different from this one game"
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What made you reverse course from thinking he was town earlier?In post 1289, Aristophanes wrote:Okay so I've read up on the 3 pages that popped up while I was asleep and I've had to reevaluate some things.
Mostly I think DT is definitely super towny and that SuperBowl69 is scummy.
VOTE: SB69
The reactions within these pages to the conversations and especially to suspicuons on each of them were AI and gave me a lot to go on- catboi
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Just seems a strange reversal because his content in the last couple pages has been sarcastic quips and being paranoid of gamma agreeing with him, I'm not really seeing what there is especially scummy relative to everything else he's posted.
Johnny really falling in my eyes, thomas scumread is no good and the only reason I can see for it is him quoting something Battle Mage said about thomas attacking people who disagree with him.- catboi
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What caused the boost?In post 1339, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I'm like 100% confident of this now btwIn post 1211, Gamma Emerald wrote:You know what, I’m gonna call this out rn. I really don’t think Chaos hydra is scum atp. Get off of them.- catboi
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My issue is I still don't understand why your emphasis is on breaking up a group of players vs actually finding scum. You have all this concern over the DT/Guillo/Gamma group but the only points you raise against them are being problematic later in the game, not actually being suspect. I don't understand why that's your fixation like it's going to be some game dominating force when there's a decent chance some of them just die.In post 1365, superbowl9 wrote:Someone else commented on that first part, but I genuinely don't care what you think of me, I'm more interested in catching scum. That's my point with the earlier post, I don't care if you think I've been "owned" because I didn't respond to an insult either, I'm more concerned with not dragging our game quality down any further than it already has been lowered.
I already explained my strategy with trying to break up those 3 so we can get valuable pushes in later (which is pointless if I'm not alive tomorrow, hence that strategy), but I want to re-empasize one thing here. Is this really how you think I set up miselims? What type of absolute buffoon would I have to be to think this is a sly way to chain elim?? It's kind of insulting that you think this low of my ability.- catboi
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The deadline's on this page, just under 3 days. You have a stale vote on gamma that no one is following. Even if you don't agree with this vote your current one isn't doing anything.In post 1394, Chaos Triforce wrote:
I mean, not particularly cuz I'm not interested in hammering anyways :/In post 1387, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm ready to end this day as long as we don't shift to something unbelievably stupid
Noraa you wanna post intent?
when's deadline? if close tho, I declare intent. If not, then I did nothing.
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You mean chaos?In post 1396, chkflip wrote:Why is this wishy washy bullshit still breathing in my gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.
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In this setup? optics. You hammer town prematurely you look bad. have to work your way up to it. Plus plenty of times I've seen scum stay off a wagon on town they figured would go through anyway. But I don't find the way nora pushed on gamma to be very honest looking at all.In post 1433, DoubtingThomas wrote:
think chaos is town. why would scum!chaos not vote already?In post 1432, catboi wrote:pob feels like a shot in the dark, if I had to guess probably town but an acceptable kill as a gimmick lurker who's never going to get nightkilled or be a factor in the game.
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It's poor form but in a situation like this with deadline approaching and a counterwagon looking unlikely I wouldn't hold it against you.In post 1467, superbowl9 wrote:Self-hammering isnt considered rulebreaking as town, just poor form right?
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Why are you assuming that the vig kill has to have gone through, and that it had to have been on town? There's 3 killing roles. possible a kill was doubled up on, roleblocke stopped the kill, or someone shot the SK.In post 1481, Chaos Triforce wrote:Bit unfortunate that our uh ... vig chose a townie.
I take it the scums killed Guillo because he hard softed pr yesterday. I remember asking table how to derail Guillo's wagon because of what I perceived as "newbie pr softs"
Vig probs killed BM. As for why, I'm going to go ask and see if table has any thoughts on that.
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Noraa is on the record as someone who fakes town slips as scum- catboi
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I thought the complaining about toxicity was NAI. Shamefully, thought he was town on content. But no matter.In post 1575, DoubtingThomas wrote:lol PlusJOYED really left the game like that as scum huh
I think scum in this setup have very little reason to distance, you probably find a teammate somewhere in the townreads and between the reads of plus and BM, I'd say Johnny or Ari? BM greets johnny but doesn't say much to him afterwards, puts Aristophanes in his "solve" but doesn't really mention him otherwise.In post 365, PlusJOYED wrote:early read list (unordered)
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johny: posts content and progresses the game so far. pretty genuine too
superb: reasons earlier stated
gullotine: I sense newbie paranoia from them very similar to what I experienced my first game with a similar background, he's also quite obstinate and stubborn without tunneling which I like. My empathy tells me he's town.
pob long: I lowkey love this man he's hilarious. I don't know if he isn't a native english speaker or is playing a character but I love it yet struggle to understand him. His few posts are him making good observations too.
Aristophanes: Similar bubbly style to superb and noraa leans him town a bit but he hasn't really contributed so this read is pretty weak. I was told this is how town Aristophanes acts.
taylor: following town meta pretty hard from what i recall. Small observations and boosts.
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Triforce: reasons earlier stated
doubting thomas: skepticism and ... wait I think I see where he gets his name. Regardless a bit of a scumtell and his early whining about meta didn't really please me.
Chk: their absolutes and how hard their reads are I dislike so far. I've seen town players do that but i think it's a scumtell or sign of tmi.
gamma: I've played like 2 games with them as scum and I can tell you he feels like scum cuz meta. But I concede my perspective is lopsided so I might be wrong. Weaker read cuz of this.
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I think the claim is still likely to resolve itself in that even if he's fakeclaiming as mafia/SK, he gets shot anyawy, but I don't scumread him particularly and don't think he claimed in a scummy wayIn post 1583, Chaos Triforce wrote:Theres one thing that I think might be happening here. It's that Gamma is a scum that killed Guillo who was a vig.
I thought about it and its entirely possible. considering that my partner as SRs gamma, I'm going to say there's a 50-50 chance of gamma being real vig and gamma being the evil faction(doesn't matter which one) that killed a vig yesterday.
Lemme think on this a bit. I originally thought gamma had to be vig but that's not actually true cuz with everyone having the "cannibal" thing, nothing is entirely certain.
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Him repeatedly insisting he wasn't going to b eliminated = nooby softclaim. Plain as day, VTs don't speak with that level of confidence. I saw it, about half the people in the game saw it. I understand Chaos's distrust there but don't think it's worth being concerned about right now. I also think neither guillo or BM are likely to have shot the other as vig, the only way I'd expect one to be vig is if they shot the SK or were roleblocked, both of which are fairly unlikely outcomes. I would strongly urge chaos to consider players in the game besides gamma.- catboi
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Can you quote this soft?In post 1632, Chaos Triforce wrote:I don't know what "tell" you found aristo, but im never gonna trust a tell from u again after this :/
Im not a pr. I slightly softed vig yesterday but idc no more. Im not even gonna soft a pr to attract nk's. it simply doesn't work in open setup.
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Why didn't you push that slot on day 2 if you thought it was possibly a blocked kill?In post 1685, Aristophanes wrote:I'll respond to both at once. I wanted to see if the dietician was dead or if you were going to make a false claim about who you ate.
I know Pob is going to claim VT because I'm the Roleblocker. I blocked Taylor Swift/DGB both nights. The reason I returned to them last night was because there were only 2 kills N1 and I thought I'd gotten lucky.
Gamma, who of the other 3 is the VT? The other two are scum factions.
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I thought in general he was playing at the level of background noise, staying out of the way of really pushing anyone, and I didn't like the way his read on Thomas progressed. Day 2 he just seemed to pop in and add momentum to the triforce wagon and not really do much else. Unfortunate result, but I don't really regret saying that.In post 1707, Gamma Emerald wrote:
why'd you think this?In post 1643, catboi wrote:well johnny isn't town so that's a problem
I ate johnny because he seemed like a consensus SR from what I remembered
I'm not really trusting of Aristophanes's claim, but in terms of play, at least, I do think he looks better than chkflip and pob long, who both fell into the "saying just enough to make me not want to kill them" category. The fact that gamma wasn't shot, at least, implies that guillotina was not the roleblocker. I think probably right now pob seems to most suspicious to me.- catboi
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Scum didn't shoot the claimed vig last night, and the only plausible explanation is that they were hunting for other PRs (or attempting to cross-kill, but that seems like it'd be a very bad strategy)In post 1725, pob long wrote:
whyIn post 1716, catboi wrote:
I thought in general he was playing at the level of background noise, staying out of the way of really pushing anyone, and I didn't like the way his read on Thomas progressed. Day 2 he just seemed to pop in and add momentum to the triforce wagon and not really do much else. Unfortunate result, but I don't really regret saying that.In post 1707, Gamma Emerald wrote:
why'd you think this?In post 1643, catboi wrote:well johnny isn't town so that's a problem
I ate johnny because he seemed like a consensus SR from what I remembered
I'm not really trusting of Aristophanes's claim, but in terms of play, at least, I do think he looks better than chkflip and pob long, who both fell into the "saying just enough to make me not want to kill them" category. The fact that gamma wasn't shot, atleast, implies that guillotina was not the roleblocker. I think probablyright now pob seems to most suspicious to me.- catboi
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Ultimately you're going to be a decisive vote anyway so you need to think about it.In post 1778, Gamma Emerald wrote:Tbh I wasn’t entirely aware of that, but even then last time I did the town-leader thing I led almost all 4 miselims
So there’s a bit of trepidation there yaknow?
I'm not sure pob's confidence is particularly AI, as scum here I think he'dneedto push on the roleblocker claim if he believes it to be legitimate. I also...don't...really...townread...anything from him.
What are the chk/bm anti-associatives?
Also want to hear from Ari on what his reads are.- catboi
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Basically nothing between BM and chk at all which would make me think they could be teamed, but one weakly anti-aligned thing between plus and chk. I can't say I'd strongly bet the game on it, but...
On the other hand, Battle Mage definitely tried to get pob long killed a lot, so he's very unlikely the second mafia. I feel like he could be SK though? - catboi
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