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Post Post #747 (isolation #0) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:34 pm

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In post 746, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m less reading Noraa on the explicit content and more on how it feels
I feel like town!Noraa sounds more natural but less genuine compared to scum!Noraa
As such she’s pingy as both alignments but paying attention to the sort of pings is probably the best way to sort here
So far I feel like she is a little extra about things like missing RVS, but she also seems to not be worrying about how she sounds rn
Scum!Noraa is quite meticulous about her image
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Post Post #754 (isolation #1) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:51 pm

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In post 752, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 748, Cabd wrote:What do you make of her posting right now in every game except this one, then, Gamma?
A bit off, but this game has blown up, she could be putting it off
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Post Post #755 (isolation #2) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:52 pm

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In post 753, Cabd wrote:I have to admit, fferytammysyr, your reaction to my reads fell really flat.

And I'm kinda sad about that.
In post 754, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 752, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 748, Cabd wrote:What do you make of her posting right now in every game except this one, then, Gamma?
A bit off, but this game has blown up, she could be putting it off
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Post Post #762 (isolation #3) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:04 pm

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In post 755, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 753, Cabd wrote:I have to admit, fferytammysyr, your reaction to my reads fell really flat.

And I'm kinda sad about that.
In post 754, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 752, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 748, Cabd wrote:What do you make of her posting right now in every game except this one, then, Gamma?
A bit off, but this game has blown up, she could be putting it off
Vote: Gamma Emerald
In post 760, Brian Skies wrote:After 25 Pages:

cabd

*maria
firebringer
L4pe
Fermis Flames
reagan

more town
unwnd

mebbe town
midwaybear
flavor leaf
*Guillotina

less town
*manwithnoname

Antitown, but is it scum?
Battlemage

Very Probably Scum
Gamma


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Post Post #763 (isolation #4) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:06 pm

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In post 761, Flavor Leaf wrote:Acting in bad faith, Gamma, you the one out here yelling to policy obv town Battle Mage, could you tell I was leaning scum on you here, so you had to turn it on me because you noticed me not defending. I was trying to stay out of it because I’ve misread you a decent amount recently,
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Post Post #765 (isolation #5) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:08 pm

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In post 764, Cabd wrote:Oh shit does LLD have a posting restriction?
X
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Post Post #766 (isolation #6) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:11 pm

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In post 764, Cabd wrote:Oh shit does LLD have a posting restriction?
In post 755, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 753, Cabd wrote:I have to admit, fferytammysyr, your reaction to my reads fell really flat.

And I'm kinda sad about that.
In post 754, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 752, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 748, Cabd wrote:What do you make of her posting right now in every game except this one, then, Gamma?
A bit off, but this game has blown up, she could be putting it off
Vote: Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #782 (isolation #7) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:29 pm

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In post 773, Fermis Flames wrote:
In post 753, Cabd wrote:I have to admit, fferytammysyr, your reaction to my reads fell really flat.

And I'm kinda sad about that.
I'm in the middle of a reread right now. Syr scummoned me to look at LLD posts and I find this awaiting me.

Your reads list mostly doesn't bother me. Just about everyone I'm townreading is on it. Along with a couple not-town-reads that I'm hoping I understand better after rereading. And you moved us up for reasons unknown.

In fact this post is the first post by you that's actually raised my hackles.

I thought your day 3 ticket was punched. :/

~ strange
In post 748, Cabd wrote:What do you make of her posting right now in every game except this one, then, Gamma?
In post 753, Cabd wrote:I have to admit, fferytammysyr, your reaction to my reads fell really flat.

And I'm kinda sad about that.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Cabd
UNVOTE: VOTE: Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #783 (isolation #8) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:30 pm

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In post 781, Will catch up later maybe wrote:i have important information to share

did you know that you can't use "busy" in a username and on MS?

that is all

this game is moving too slowly. try to get this to 50 pages in the next few hours, tia

-Nacho
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Post Post #794 (isolation #9) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:42 pm

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In post 792, Gamma Emerald wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84467
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=84480

Read me in both of these and tell me if you think I handle a second of being scum with BM after I made up my mind on him.

In addition, curious why people are voting me at this point. I have given reads, so what’s the fucking deal?


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Post Post #806 (isolation #10) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:47 pm

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In post 798, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m VERY curious how a post restriction fits into this setup at all jsyk
I’m calling your bluff LLD.
In post 765, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 764, Cabd wrote:Oh shit does LLD have a posting restriction?
X
???
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Post Post #812 (isolation #11) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:50 pm

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In post 810, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 806, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 798, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m VERY curious how a post restriction fits into this setup at all jsyk
I’m calling your bluff LLD.
In post 765, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 764, Cabd wrote:Oh shit does LLD have a posting restriction?
X
???
If you don’t have one then what the legitimate FUCK are you doing????? Like I’m legitimately baffled that you’d ever consider playing in such a blatantly anti-town way. As such I think you have to be scum for it.
Vote me then, coward.
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Post Post #1537 (isolation #12) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:57 pm

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In post 1530, Will catch up later maybe wrote:
In post 1527, Brian Skies wrote:First impression of LLD?
?????
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Post Post #1541 (isolation #13) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:00 pm

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In post 1539, Will catch up later maybe wrote:
In post 1527, Brian Skies wrote:First impression of LLD?
??
:)
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Post Post #1682 (isolation #14) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:42 am

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In post 1681, L4pe wrote:
In post 1680, Fermis Flames wrote:
In post 1679, L4pe wrote:and besides, with regard to antitown behavior, i think lld is actually worse than gamma or bm in that regard
Elaborate?
borderline contentless posts

the equivalent of answering every question and commenting on every other post with one line
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Post Post #1687 (isolation #15) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:47 am

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In post 1683, L4pe wrote:
In post 1682, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1681, L4pe wrote:
In post 1680, Fermis Flames wrote:
In post 1679, L4pe wrote:and besides, with regard to antitown behavior, i think lld is actually worse than gamma or bm in that regard
Elaborate?
borderline contentless posts

the equivalent of answering every question and commenting on every other post with one line
>=(
case in point
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Post Post #1692 (isolation #16) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:52 am

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Vote:Noraa
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Post Post #1751 (isolation #17) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:53 am

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Cabd if Cakes flips town you die tomorrow okay?
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Post Post #1752 (isolation #18) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:53 am

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That isn't a deal, it's just a promise.
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vote:cakez
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Post Post #1769 (isolation #20) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:59 am

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In post 1759, SirCakez wrote:Hard to believe I was excited for this game 24 hours ago
This has been one of the most miserable mafia experiences in my six yearsplaying
I wanna fight for you but honestly at this point its post humous.

If you flip town Cabd is gonna die. That is my promise to you.

Sorry.
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Post Post #1874 (isolation #21) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:42 am

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In post 1864, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1862, REAGAN BUSH 84 wrote:
In post 1853, Firebringer wrote:lets not lynch people that annoy us and insteaad lynch people that scare me.
still need you to answer whether there's more to this than paranoia
no, if there was i would have said so. u dont hold back ur best cards when ur trying to go for the big cat that is LLD
I feel so much pride at this tbh
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Post Post #2554 (isolation #22) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:16 pm

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In post 2462, REAGAN BUSH 84 wrote:
In post 2434, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2423, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Brian - I think we’re correct in regards to LLD, but I don’t have faith in us being able to push it through.
Rip Day 1 LLD Dream-wagon.

To be fair, I was never expecting it to happen over Cakez anyway.
it was never happening period but let me get it on the record: i'm not really sure what LLD's doing this game, but it's a very easy way to play as scum, i've done it before, the naked vote minimal content thing. might be choosing not to project towniness, i don't know. but certainly don't see the townreads there
I'm literally doing nothing, and I don't particularly care much if you wagon me. You're not gonna get a reaction, if I die, I die.

This is a large theme that has spouted 100+ pages in less than 2 days of being open and I'm just not gonna be able to keep up with that. I'm applying weird, unique pressures onto people where I can to keep current and get general personal reads because I really don't care.

If you let me live until a point where the game is less populated, I can use those to solve. If you don't, I'll be free from this hell on earth factory.

I thought when we cultivated a playerlist of people who know how to play this fucking game we'd also avoid doing the scum win through apathy easy mode nonsense, but apparently we're posting 100 pages and leaving people who can't and don't regularly check threads in the dust.

I'm doing my own thing. I don't care if I die. I'll say and vote whatever I feel like to create whatever reactions I want.

If you think I'm scum, go right ahead. If you're paranoid, I don't care.

But if you think I've been doing nothing, you also need to read my posts closer.

And if you think I'm being low effort, you're absolutely right, for the wrong reasons.

So do as you wilt.
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Post Post #2557 (isolation #23) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:17 pm

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In post 2543, Fermis Flames wrote:
In post 2514, Cobra Kai wrote:Other than sideshow attraction what are your thoughts on Flavor, Syryana?
Personally, I'm still leaning town. But then, I have no idea what a scum-FL even looks like. It just kind of reminds me of Illicit April I guess. The LLD wagon attempt is an exercise in futility,
you could run over LLD with a steamroller and she wouldn't feel pressure
. The followers are mostly bored.

I don't really get the sense he's trying to build a narrative or anything based off what he's doing. Mostly just agent of chaos as per usual.

I was also told to tell you strange agrees when she's not cheerily talking to a brick with a picture of Nacho on it in the corner.
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Post Post #2563 (isolation #24) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:20 pm

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In post 2558, Cabd wrote:
In post 1081, Cabd wrote:I don't need to find anyone to shitpost with.
This was the "driver" pumpfake. "find" as opposed to "Choose"

Hopefully at least ONE of you lot was trying to read people's posts to divine which is which.
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Post Post #2573 (isolation #25) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:28 pm

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In post 2572, Will catch up later maybe wrote:just gonna put it out there, if you hadnt come clean id have prob voted cakez but now ive seen the actual basis for that read it feels underwhelming and just makes me think youre wrong about cakez

should have kept up the lie tbh

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Post Post #2586 (isolation #26) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:38 pm

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Coming out of my meme laden posting hole to say the number of people who were shading how I was playing prior to me being forced to explain it, only to go OH WOW LLD WHAT AN INSIGHTFUL POST ABOUT CABD

some of whom were on my wagon

Is really honestly amusing to me in a way I can't express with bolded quotes and emojis and youtube videos.
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Post Post #2587 (isolation #27) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:39 pm

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In post 2584, Cabd wrote:
In post 2582, midwaybear wrote:Why isn't Prism posting in the
main thread
?
?!?
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Post Post #2594 (isolation #28) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:41 pm

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In post 2590, Will catch up later maybe wrote:you made a post about cabd? i just liked the rotating arrows, it looked pretty

-Nacho
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Post Post #2596 (isolation #29) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:41 pm

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In post 2592, Brian Skies wrote:I missed the part where it was insightful.
it wasn't.

that's the point
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Post Post #2604 (isolation #30) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:43 pm

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In post 2600, Cabd wrote:BUT ARROWS ARE SHINY.

BIRD BRAIN CABD GET SHINY
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Post Post #2621 (isolation #31) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:48 pm

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In post 2597, Gamma Emerald wrote:@LLD why did you enter the game like you did, if you explained and I missed it?
Literally read back a page and a half to where I answered 2 dead presidents.

Not actually dead. I just wish, tbh.
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Post Post #2631 (isolation #32) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:52 pm

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In post 2623, unwnd wrote:If anyone wants to ISO me about Flavor feel free to do so, brian as well. You mentioned SirCakez that you're wondering what it means in regards to you and well,

I wonder that too. Flavor clearly didn't like you and advocated your death, and far as I can tell there was no progress to this. He just decided LLD was a better lynch and then squabbled with me while I tried to get past his ego. It's not that he can't change his mind, but I think his style of posting and behavior implies that he will use it for something. He hasn't. He's just tooted his own horn and made a bunch of wishy-washy statements that he can back out of. This is scummy. It is not a matter of him. When it comes to Brian, I just have unsolved business with him and I think he remains mostly an enigma. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that well because Brian and Flavor happened to agree they are teh scums together that's not what I'm saying. I hope I painted a better picture for you.
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Where is your vote currently?
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Post Post #2640 (isolation #34) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:58 pm

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In post 2635, unwnd wrote:Voting Firebringer then FL told me he trusts Firebringer and nobody cared

Ennui
Voting.

Firebringer.

Okay, let me take you under my wing for a second. Let's play "learn how to play mafia" together, okay?

There are players, like Firebringer, who we don't kill day one. And no one will kill them day one.

Do you know why?

they are too consistently low volume to read correctly day 1 consistently and if we killed them for looking scummy day 1 we'd always kill them.

Firebringer literally said something about this earlier and it's true. Doesn't say much about their alignment, but it's true. they never die D1 and will eventually be executed sometime around day 3 or 4, either because they're obvtown and scum needs to shoot the RK9 or they're scum and will die or they are town and look bad.

you're not gonna gain traction there, and the wagon won't learn you anything.

If you want to start a wagon, you need to give it a push. In this case, calling out ennui about how the scummy doggo isn't getting votes isn't getting you anywhere.

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Post Post #2643 (isolation #35) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:01 pm

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It's a real question, Unwind.

I'm not gonna waste my time with a lesson in game control on someone who doesn't really wanna listen.
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Post Post #2647 (isolation #36) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:03 pm

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In post 2645, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2554, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'm literally doing nothing
This is a fair reason to post as you did. In fact, it’s in line with the person it reminded me of, that being Katsuki. Not an AI thing but it checks out.
The potentially towny reason Id thought of was basically just seeing who was baited into trying to yeet her with real force.
I mean, it's hard to make something like that into a good bait because the only people who will take it are people like Guilotine who think that I'm scum fro saying if Cakez flips town Cabd needs to die.

Well meaning but misinformed townies.

Not a gr8 b8 m8
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Post Post #2654 (isolation #37) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:06 pm

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In post 2646, unwnd wrote:
In post 2640, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 2635, unwnd wrote:Voting Firebringer then FL told me he trusts Firebringer and nobody cared

Ennui
Voting.

Firebringer.

Okay, let me take you under my wing for a second. Let's play "learn how to play mafia" together, okay?

There are players, like Firebringer, who we don't kill day one. And no one will kill them day one.

Do you know why?

they are too consistently low volume to read correctly day 1 consistently and if we killed them for looking scummy day 1 we'd always kill them.

Firebringer literally said something about this earlier and it's true. Doesn't say much about their alignment, but it's true. they never die D1 and will eventually be executed sometime around day 3 or 4, either because they're obvtown and scum needs to shoot the RK9 or they're scum and will die or they are town and look bad.

you're not gonna gain traction there, and the wagon won't learn you anything.

If you want to start a wagon, you need to give it a push. In this case, calling out ennui about how the scummy doggo isn't getting votes isn't getting you anywhere.

Want to see what will?

I promise that my vote on Firebringer is not this strong conviction, If anything I saw a few people talking about him and was testing the waters. My priorities lie with what I've most talked about, but I am willing to compromise on lesser thoughts. I'm not inexperienced in the slightest but if you're implying you wanna vote Flavor Leaf then let's play Mafia together

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
I mean we'll get there, friend.

But it's a yes or no. Do you wanna learn how to influence people?

Cause if you're gonna lead this wagon you're gonna face a lot of adversity from a slippery and unhappy player.

So.
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Post Post #2659 (isolation #38) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:09 pm

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In post 2655, unwnd wrote:I actually hate leading wagons and playing leader but fuck it I think the thread direction sucks humble me
OKAY.

IT'S TIME.
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Post Post #2675 (isolation #39) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:18 pm

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In post 2655, unwnd wrote:I actually hate leading wagons and playing leader but fuck it I think the thread direction sucks humble me
So, this is a large theme game. It has a lot of strong personalities, with huge posting numbers and strong opinions.

If you're gonna take control of this nonsense and direct it with your townie will, you're going to need to understand the mechanics behind it.

The single most important thing you can do here, if you want a target run up, is to appeal to a base. Just... find people, like me, who enjoy the blood of their enemies and want to see people pressured. Entice them. Give them literally anything. It doesn't have to be true. it doesn't have to make sense. It just needs to attract attention.

In the case of flavour, these long posts with drawn out ideas where you often trade barbs WITH THE PERSON you want dead. Are doing nothing. Take some of their shittier comments. Stuff that sketches you.

And throw it at people like.... Muffin. Cabd. Syr. And ask them for support.

Sometimes, they might find something TRUTHFULLY concerning. And join you!

Other times they may find nothing. And still join you because it's USEFUL.

Maybe avoid cabd this game they have their own vanity wagon, but that's kind of the point.

You see how Cabd got everyone on cakez? You need to more of that.

Once you have a solid base, add to the numbers by attacking points not AT THE PERSON YOU WANT DEAD but AT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT VOTE THEM.

You don't wanna go points for points, you wanna recruit.

Once you get a solid wagon and are in top 2, then you can start to actually decide "is this person scum or am I on the wrong track". Self awareness and assessment here is important, because you can use this either way to suddenly kill a wagon and determine who if any voters are bad for being here.

But if you determine it to be continuously scummy, you just keep hammering the nail. Keep saying the stuff and boxing them out of ability to argue.

Until they're almost dead, then push them to claim. It signifies "they will die" and a lot of people respond to that with "I'll hammer, sure"

And if a counter wagon forms or people are concerned with your wagon

GOOD. More info. More people voting on a binary with a flip you can analyze.

Blood for the blood god is not just a motto to live by, it's also a very useful way to find info.

So just... attack. Don't play defense. don't stand back. Don't let others spam the thread and have your posts be lost.

Be present in the thread a lot. Have your posts loud and open. And just drive. Get in the drivers seat and drive.

There is LTIERALLY no better way. And no better teacher than the one who taught me, who is Fate.

Questionable person. Incredible at thread control.

Take a lesson. Confidence, arrogance, it's the same thing. Just be CERTAIN and keep. fucking. driving.
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Post Post #2682 (isolation #40) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:23 pm

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In post 2676, Flavor Leaf wrote:@LLD - let's talk.

I'm going to explain to you why I wanted you wagon'd.

First, I thought that your Noraa vote was interesting. It heated up, you moved to Cakez. Guillo did the same thing. I mentioned an FOS on the 2 of your slots for that reason. Cabd commented and stated we mind melded because he was pinged by Guillo.

Firebringer, someone I am town reading this game, is town reading Cakez, something that I have been feeling as well. I was in the "i'll hammer Sir Cakez" boat to move the day forward, but certain things make me think he's more likely town now than scum, including the awkward Noraa slot. She's actively avoiding joining, I think it's because scum are already on there, and it'll make her look good if she doesn't vote the counter wagon. Note, she never got high enough that this actually mattered.

You also pushed Gamma a lot.

And Brian Skies mentioned he thought you would have been more likely to be the one to ping Cabd than Guillo, and I found that interesting. Brian Skies is someone I've correctly read as scum before, and I had already stated why I thought he wasn't scum this game, so that, along with my town read in Fire voting you, I thought you were a good wagon to elicit strong reactions and actions taken, especially because there wasn't a whole lot to go on in your slot.

Does this make sense?

I needed to see how people would react to the wagon to gauge all that around it.
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Post Post #2683 (isolation #41) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:23 pm

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In post 2681, REAGAN BUSH 84 wrote:Eh Flavor's busy with LLD. Maybe another time. I'll catch up with Cabd.
GET BACK HERE YOU RIGHT WING WARHAWKS.
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Post Post #2705 (isolation #42) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:33 pm

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In post 2691, Flavor Leaf wrote:LLD's aggressiveness there seems fake and looks like a discredit attempt. That was my absolute first time reaching out, and trying to figure out if I was wrong on their slot, but I caught their partner Maria out.
Discredit.... attempt?

You're talking to me. About your reasons. For wagoning me.

I'm asking you a very fair question of "why the fuck should I care about this".

What exactly am I discrediting?
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Post Post #2711 (isolation #43) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:35 pm

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In post 2700, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2642, unwnd wrote:I don't get where you decided LLD was the one you wanted to vote; what did you think FL having your back and your read on him.
Since I have to do your work for you, I will compile a list of times LLD and Cobra have been mentioned in my iso below.
Spoiler:
In post 768, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 762, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 755, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 753, Cabd wrote:I have to admit, fferytammysyr, your reaction to my reads fell really flat.

And I'm kinda sad about that.
In post 754, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 752, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 748, Cabd wrote:What do you make of her posting right now in every game except this one, then, Gamma?
A bit off, but this game has blown up, she could be putting it off
Vote: Gamma Emerald
In post 760, Brian Skies wrote:After 25 Pages:

cabd

*maria
firebringer
L4pe
Fermis Flames
reagan

more town
unwnd

mebbe town
midwaybear
flavor leaf
*Guillotina

less town
*manwithnoname

Antitown, but is it scum?
Battlemage

Very Probably Scum
Gamma


Vote: Gamma
?
?
This comes around the time I vote the Gamma wagon. LLD joins it around the same time and immediately seems to discredit my Cabd townread (granted Cabd was defending Gamma, but there you go). Not really a big red flag there by any means.

LLD does vote Gamma here (before me), and it was only 5 minutes after Gamma makes that post, which gave me the impression she either could have been following along or just chosen a post from whatever page she happened to join the game in on to vote (a la RVS style). Her reaction to my aforementioned readslist (which happened almost immediately thereafter) makes me think she was probably following along to some degree.
In post 827, Brian Skies wrote:Im fairly caught up now.

cabd
*maria
firebringer
L4pe
Fermis Flames
reagan

more town
unwnd

mebbe town
midwaybear
flavor leaf
Guillotina

less town
*manwithnoname

Antitown
, but is it scum?
Battlemage

Sketch
LLD

Very Probably Scum
Gamma
This is my very next reads list. I very clearly already have LLD listed as Sketch.
In post 858, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 832, Cobra Kai wrote:I think Gamma’s stance on LLD is very surface level. I’m townreading LLD. Before it’s asked, no I don’t have an explainable reason.
Do you think Gamma is sus then? Or...?

Just wondering what the point of this post is.
Cobra Kai makes a weird distinction regarding both Gamma and LLD. I wanted to know if there was some connection or what. I don't believe I ever got a response.
In post 1180, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 1178, Dunnstral wrote:Speaking of which, I don't like my current vote anymore, but don't really know who to vote for
LLD?
Me asking Dunn if he'd be interested in voting LLD, who is clearly a point of interest for me.
In post 1304, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1300, REAGAN BUSH 84 wrote:VOTE: Cobra Kai

let's shake things up
I liked Cobra Kai's posts
In post 1305, REAGAN BUSH 84 wrote:
In post 1304, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1300, REAGAN BUSH 84 wrote:VOTE: Cobra Kai

let's shake things up
I liked Cobra Kai's posts
i don't
In post 1306, Brian Skies wrote:I thought his posts were meh.
My immediate response to Dunn saying he liked Cobra Kai's posts.
In post 1527, Brian Skies wrote:First impression of LLD?
In post 1537, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1530, Will catch up later maybe wrote:
In post 1527, Brian Skies wrote:First impression of LLD?
?????
!
This is me asking Nacho about his impressions of LLD. All I got were ?'s (which I think were fair, but I was hoping for something at least, after all she had a short iso, and he has way more experience with her than I do).

It only takes her like 15 minutes to respond to it, once again making me think she's at least following along.
In post 2235, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2234, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2231, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2180, Cabd wrote:Oh extremely. I got a random paranoia ping at a post gulitinna or whatever made a while back but didn't voice it but you clearly got pinged somewhere on there too.
Weird, guillotina is definitely not the one I would have picked out of those two.
I was a little thrown off at first too, because the scum read I was initially talking about was LLD, but once I ISO’d Guill more, I think they have a lot of scum equity.
LLD and Cobra Kai are both in my scumpool.

Guillotine pings me weird at first, but whenever I actually read his posts, I start to think he's town. I haven't really looked at him in the grand scheme of things.
And then we get to here where I end up crashing into whatever it was Flavor Leaf was doing at the time.


Alright, now Flavor Leaf (161 posts FML, it's okay I know I can skip ~80% of it).
Spoiler:
In post 2153, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think there’s scum within Lady and Guillotina. Both were strong onto Nora, and decided to actively avoid when it got hot.
In post 2191, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1255, Guillotina wrote:Cakez wagon feels LHF, I'm not voting there now.

I'm gonna ISO the other wagons.
In post 1398, Guillotina wrote:I'm definitely not voting Cakez today. The guy is getting pushed based on an evidence claim that Cabd cannot present due to site's rules.
In other words, if they cannot be presented they don't exist! Imagine if we could convict people based on non corroborated proof in real life! A lot more people would be in jail!

We gotta take his word for it? Like hell I will, I don't know this guy!

We either find real evidence to yeet Cakez or vote someone else.

Good night!
In post 1685, Guillotina wrote:
In post 1639, Noraa wrote:
In post 1394, Bell wrote:@cabd we could all easily be wrong. :P
This post pings scum.
Your post pings scum.

Not only because you didn't elaborate why in the same post, so the intention was not bring awareness but to shade, but it also raises some questions.

Do you think we could all not be easily wrong? If so, why?

What information do you have to assume all people could be right? And if you think everyone could be right why did you vetoed Sircakez yeet?

For the record: im not saying everyone could be right or wrong, im saying that Bell got a point and throwing shade at Bell for it is scummy.

VOTE: Noraa
In post 1896, Guillotina wrote:
In post 1765, Cabd wrote:I will self-vote tomorrow if I'm wrong, which will reveal my info in a mod-confirmed way and put us down two town plus whoever dies to night kill but whatever. At least you'll have all the info. And see exactly why I am doing what I am doing.


Cakez man I am sorry RNG fucked you over bud but like, we can hug after your team shoots me night one in the dead thread and make up and play footsies.
If you are this sure to bet your own life on it by compromising to self-vote. I'll bite.
If he flips green with an important ability, i'll be mad. Crown Prince level mad.

VOTE: SirCakez

It’s this trajectory for me. It looks like they know Cakez is town, but want you to push through it while it’s known they were against it, but then they jumped on both Noraa and Cakez. I think Noraa looks like a bus vote, but then it got hot, so they finally accepted they will need to join Cakez.
In post 2194, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 763, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 761, Flavor Leaf wrote:Acting in bad faith, Gamma, you the one out here yelling to policy obv town Battle Mage, could you tell I was leaning scum on you here, so you had to turn it on me because you noticed me not defending. I was trying to stay out of it because I’ve misread you a decent amount recently,
In post 765, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 764, Cabd wrote:Oh shit does LLD have a posting restriction?
X
In post 794, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 792, Gamma Emerald wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84467
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=84480

Read me in both of these and tell me if you think I handle a second of being scum with BM after I made up my mind on him.

In addition, curious why people are voting me at this point. I have given reads, so what’s the fucking deal?


VOTE: Gamma Emerald
In post 1692, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Vote:Noraa
In post 1756, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
vote:cakez
In post 1769, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1759, SirCakez wrote:Hard to believe I was excited for this game 24 hours ago
This has been one of the most miserable mafia experiences in my six yearsplaying
I wanna fight for you but honestly at this point its post humous.

If you flip town Cabd is gonna die. That is my promise to you.

Sorry.

And for Lady, they had hard Gamma rage, posting style is short and limited, they joined Noraa early, Noraa got hot, then moved to Cakez. Extremely similar. They act like Cabd gonna die if Cabd misfades SirCakez.

So Guillotina and Lady are in the same boat, similar trajectory.


I wanna rail Noraa a bit more, but I can see a townNoraa world. It just happens to looks similar to a acumNoraa world
In post 2210, Flavor Leaf wrote:That read on LLD is a read in its own right. People who know her can’t push her because she’s actively doing a weird post thing.
In post 2220, Flavor Leaf wrote:Cabd
Cobra Kai
Dunnstral
Gamma Emerald
Guillotina
l4pe
Lady Lambdadelta
MariaR
Noraa
unwnd
Will catch up later maybe (Nachomamma8/zMuffinMan)

This is probably my bottom 50%, and by that I mean, these players have failed to make me consider them as townie or they’ve actively done something I feel could mean they are scum regardless of my actual read on them, if that makes sense. I believe my paranoia with Gamma and Cabd is a good sign, personally. I almost included ffery hydra here.

Way too early analysis conclusion - around 4 scum in that list. This is a confirmed 5 scum game, right?
In post 2236, Flavor Leaf wrote:If we want a new wagon, i could go Lady

VOTE: Lady

Happy to follow Fire here, and I’ve been happy with your slot thus far
This is what I remember from Flavor Leafs catch-up. He already had his own trajectory going towards LLD that was independent of me. It just so happened that the two of us wanted to wagon LLD, just for different reasons. I personally do not see a huge issue with it, but I admittedly am skimming several portions of this game.

I don't have any particular issue with Flavor Leaf up to this point and do have him in my townread pile.

In post 2642, unwnd wrote:but I feel your posts are leading up to something that never comes.
I'm not really sure what you think I
should
be doing. I'm still trying to push my suspicions, but at the moment, two of my stronger townreads (Cabd and Fferyhydra) feel very strongly that Cakez is scum. I feel less strongly about it, but who am I to deny them of their convictions? There's a limit one can and should do without detracting from wagons that matter. Yes, I can push and argue for pages on end with my scumreads (and have been known to do so), but if it derails a lynch on possible scum, then who is it really benefitting?
hey just a suggestion could you be a little less of a seething arrogant jackass to the clearly new player.

Just a suggestion.
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Post Post #2718 (isolation #44) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:37 pm

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In post 2715, unwnd wrote:Hint: I am not new I've been accustomed to this site since 2010 lmao
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Post Post #2726 (isolation #45) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:39 pm

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In post 2724, unwnd wrote:
In post 2718, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 2715, unwnd wrote:Hint: I am not new I've been accustomed to this site since 2010 lmao
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Well unfortunately in 2010 the meta was way way different, you know this don't you? Hyperposting became the norm somewhere around the turn of 2016. I've tried to avoid it
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU

DO I KNOW YOU
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Post Post #2732 (isolation #46) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:40 pm

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In post 2720, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2705, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 2691, Flavor Leaf wrote:LLD's aggressiveness there seems fake and looks like a discredit attempt. That was my absolute first time reaching out, and trying to figure out if I was wrong on their slot, but I caught their partner Maria out.
Discredit.... attempt?

You're talking to me. About your reasons. For wagoning me.

I'm asking you a very fair question of "why the fuck should I care about this".

What exactly am I discrediting?
this wasn't my response to that, the one I quoted you, and responded is the response to the why you should care.

I'm past this, past you, to be honest. Just throw a vote down on me so I can lay a trap.
If I wanted to make your life in this game miserable and then kill you, I would.

No this is about learning experience for players I thought were new but APPARENTLY ARE ALTS.

-_-
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Post Post #2735 (isolation #47) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:41 pm

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In post 2730, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2711, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:hey just a suggestion could you be a little less of a seething arrogant jackass to the clearly new player.

Just a suggestion.
You know, you're right.

I'll keep this in mind.
turns out less new player than I thought, but the sentiment is still there ye?
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Post Post #2738 (isolation #48) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:41 pm

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In post 2734, Will catch up later maybe wrote:who wants to make a sheep bet on cakez's flip? same rules as the sangres one

-nacho
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Post Post #3031 (isolation #49) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:15 pm

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You own my vote Cabd, so wherever you want it.

Also, Maria is town.
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Post Post #3034 (isolation #50) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:16 pm

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In post 3028, Firebringer wrote:lowkey cabd r u cheating?
I know you're joking but there is a history to this kind of comment wrt a bad person and using it to hurt cabd so maybe not that joke on this person please, thanks FB
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Post Post #3055 (isolation #51) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:21 pm

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In post 3052, Firebringer wrote:
In post 3048, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 3028, Firebringer wrote:lowkey cabd r u cheating?
This is not ok, and further discussion of this in game will result in your replacement as well as a report to the listmods.

Please see this thread for details: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=80293

u saying this confirms cabd is town.
Nice job.
????????????????????????????
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Post Post #3056 (isolation #52) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:21 pm

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In post 3052, Firebringer wrote:
In post 3048, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 3028, Firebringer wrote:lowkey cabd r u cheating?
This is not ok, and further discussion of this in game will result in your replacement as well as a report to the listmods.

Please see this thread for details: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=80293

u saying this confirms cabd is town.
Nice job.
????????????????????????????
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Post Post #3059 (isolation #53) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:22 pm

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I thought FB was doing jokes and shit but

can we get this clown out of here please
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Post Post #3098 (isolation #54) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:40 pm

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In post 3089, Cabd wrote:
In post 3031, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:You own my vote Cabd, so wherever you want it.

Also, Maria is town.
Tell me about this, if you can?

I would like to get there.
Secrets, bruv.

Night related things.
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Post Post #3943 (isolation #55) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:37 am

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In post 3932, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 3930, Cabd wrote:Bad Brian. Lld is good shilesomebirbwhisnugglws townies
I will die on this hill with or without you.
Is this just how you play now? Never changing your mind despite mountains of evidence?

It's kind of sad.
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Post Post #3944 (isolation #56) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:37 am

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In post 3942, Spiffeh wrote:IF I DO SURVIVE TODAY INVESTIGATIVE ROLE(S) CAPABLE OF CLEARING PLEASE TARGET ME TONIGHT

Now that the vig is out in the open there's nothing stopping scum from blocking me and I REALLY don't wanna spend another Day in this game unclear
Vote: Spiffeh
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Post Post #3954 (isolation #57) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:41 am

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In post 3948, Cabd wrote:Hufelloewbirb.

Lldcondecenduingcoachistownlld
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Post Post #4157 (isolation #58) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:04 pm

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In post 4148, Will catch up later maybe wrote:
In post 4130, Brian Skies wrote:I presume we lynch Noraa -> LLD.
And what will end in a town stomp then get a big ugly black mark where we mislynched one of the better town players to play the game who also happened to have a confirmable role
Who are you talking about here?
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Post Post #4806 (isolation #59) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:54 pm

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In post 4804, MariaR wrote:It's almost like I was telling you guys me and LLD were town for a reason and had to deal with us
yup lol
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Post Post #4828 (isolation #60) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:08 pm

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In post 4826, MariaR wrote:Since mafia know I'm a blade thanks to Norra I'm gonna claim ik someone as probably town and LLD does too. If she wants to out it by all means I won't.
Based on our last night thing?
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Post Post #4836 (isolation #61) » Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:40 pm

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In post 4830, Cabd wrote:LLd, Maria, is your soft-clear above or below the line?
In post 4824, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 4740, Cabd wrote:
In post 4694, Cabd wrote:
In post 4691, Cabd wrote:
Mass Claim Order:

Spiffeh - Zeke, 1-shot Vig, N1 fail link with Fermis, N2 no link, attempted shot Noname (Has a cop guilty against claimed by Bell+Cabd)
CatchupMaybe - Blade Messenger. Night one message to fermis, night two message to cabd. Pairings were unwnd n1, skies n2.
ManWithNoName - Driver-Blade, Blade has an astheticizer. Battle mage n1, nobody n2.
NancyDrew/NeroCain Hydra

Maria
LLD
Brian Skies
Firebringer - Driver, Attempted Cabd N2
midwaybears -
Dunnstraal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~LINE FOR LLD AND MARIA HI~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Battle Mage
Gamma
Regan Bush
Cobra Kai
l4pe
Bell
Cabd - Blade, gated Amnesiac Cop
above
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Post Post #5505 (isolation #62) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:35 pm

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Multiple scumbags replacing out of doomed scum slots because they don't wanna face the music.

Hilarious.

What's even funnier is one of them is now back in here talking about the game

didn't you like, replace out? why you still here?
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Post Post #5508 (isolation #63) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:54 pm

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In post 5507, Noraa wrote:
In post 5506, Firebringer wrote:dont be starting fights in post game.
+1
You've got 0 moral highground to stand on after Death Curse, so maybe sit down.
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Post Post #5510 (isolation #64) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:56 pm

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In post 5509, Noraa wrote:I didnt start fights post game.
No, but you did a bunch of unethical shit and here you are defending other people who did unethical shit.

Actually, maybe this is just the norm for you.
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Post Post #5511 (isolation #65) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:56 pm

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:)
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Post Post #5513 (isolation #66) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:00 pm

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In post 5512, Noraa wrote:What "unethical shit" did I do?
Tell you what. Go ask Cabd and see what he says.

Cause if you get it from me it's gonna go down.
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