Xenoblade 2 Mafia: Game Over

[Brian Skies]

I could've sworn I asked Bork to be masons with Cabd this game.

[Brian Skies]

I am a blade

This would concern me if it weren't for the fact there are at least 6 slots with a higher NK priority than you.

[Brian Skies]

Oh are we all just mass-claiming today?

[Brian Skies]

Yeah Cabd is my Blade and I am a Driver we have weird role where we always have to link

If this is true, then that explains why Cabd didn't subscribe to D1 Cakez lolwagon.

Unless you're both just scum, but let's not go there just yet.

[Brian Skies]

lol id prefer nobody else to claim - that way i'll get lots of drivers

I think that depends on their read on you. Like, a driver shouldn't visit someone they scumread, because then they open the possibility the entire scumteam will know that they're a driver, regardless of whether they get chosen.

[Brian Skies]

I'm falling behind.

I have tentative townreads on
Cabd
Firebringer
L4pe

[Brian Skies]

@brian skies lets make a anime girl alliance.

I have tentative townreads on
Cabd
Firebringer
L4pe

Lol, well it does seem to be going that way.

I want to add midway though. I guess that person can just be the honorary mascot or something.

[Brian Skies]

um

W?

i dont see anything ive said thats particularly noteworthy or swings one alignment or another

It's partly dependent on you being who I think you are. Regardless, this post makes me feel even better about your slot, so...

[Brian Skies]

Brian Skies?
More like Brian Scums

Is this legit?
I've caught BSkies quite early before, so I don't consider it anywhere outside the realm of possibility.

Sorry to disappoint you, but there will be no catching of the Brian Scums this game.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Battlemage

[Brian Skies]

im not an alt

sorry to disappoint

I have tentative townreads on
Cabd
Firebringer

L4pe

Potential Scum

L4pe

[Brian Skies]

The Driver/Blade claims are pretty uninteresting but Brain Skies why did you say something like 'oh are we mass-claiming' in post 88

It's a joke.

[Brian Skies]

i am way too smooth brain to understand what everyone is saying right now if ill be completely honest but i think we could use a list of people whove claimed (not specific claims, not necessary) and try reading people within the list

?

[Brian Skies]

The Driver/Blade claims are pretty uninteresting but Brain Skies why did you say something like 'oh are we mass-claiming' in post 88

It's a joke.

Not sure where the joke comes from when like 4/5 other posts clearly show people claiming? Still reading so not sure if you did or not, but do you think it has any significance?

Full massclaims rarely (if ever) happen early Day 1.

I don't understand what you're asking in the second question.

[Brian Skies]

After 15 Pages:

cabd
firebringer
L4pe
Fermis Flames

mebbe town
midwaybear

less town
*manwithnoname

Not a Fan
Guillotina

Mebbe Scum
Gamma

Antitown, but is it scum?
Battlemage

[Brian Skies]

Oh boy.

Already on page 29.

This is what I get for thinking I could take a short break.

[Brian Skies]

does anyone have a list of people whove claimed?

This is what I have from first 15 pages

blades
midway
battlemage

drivers
manwithnoname
Guillotina

seeking love and romance
firebringer

[Brian Skies]

Well it was a whirlwind of posts but there was drama between some of the claims, and based on you asking if there was a mass-claim or not

it felt like you were paying attention to it all

In hindsight, but then you said it was just a joke, which I still don't understand how it could be.

What's joking about asking for massclaims

, when people are massclaiming

Regarding the underlined, yes.

I definitely didn't ask for a massclaim.

[Brian Skies]

Antitown
Battlemage

this shows a lack of understanding of the game

Um, no.

You are definitely antitown.

[Brian Skies]

After 25 Pages:

cabd
*maria
firebringer
L4pe
Fermis Flames
reagan

more town
unwnd

mebbe town
midwaybear
flavor leaf
*Guillotina

less town
*manwithnoname

Antitown, but is it scum?
Battlemage

Very Probably Scum
Gamma

Vote: Gamma

[Brian Skies]

I remember it started sometime in May, but after checking it ended in July.
About BM, I didn't really townread him. I just find the way he plays to be a little grating personally, but Cakez reasons didn't seem too substantiated to me. Considering that Cakez apparently only played in BM scum games, it's a bit weird. I like that Cakez backed off though, but neither of them are really confident reads rn.

Forgot to respond. Gamma/BM seems like a clear battle going on, what's your take on it?

Afk

It's bizarre and my initial impression is that Gamma is probably trying to sacc himself to make BM look better.

I could be wrong, but that's how it feels to me.

[Brian Skies]

I have to admit, fferytammysyr, your reaction to my reads fell really flat.

And I'm kinda sad about that.

What do you make of her posting right now in every game except this one, then, Gamma?

A bit off, but this game has blown up, she could be putting it off

Vote: Gamma Emerald

After 25 Pages:

cabd

*maria
firebringer
L4pe
Fermis Flames
reagan

more town
unwnd

mebbe town
midwaybear
flavor leaf
*Guillotina

less town
*manwithnoname

Antitown, but is it scum?
Battlemage

Very Probably Scum

Gamma

Vote: Gamma

?

?

[Brian Skies]

haha, i floated the idea of it being theater to the vice president but he thought it was too far-fetched

I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one who thought that.

[Brian Skies]

Im fairly caught up now.

cabd
*maria
firebringer
L4pe
Fermis Flames
reagan

more town
unwnd

mebbe town
midwaybear
flavor leaf
Guillotina

less town
*manwithnoname

Antitown

, but is it scum?
Battlemage

Sketch
LLD

Very Probably Scum
Gamma

[Brian Skies]

When I confronted him about why he cared if people were mass-claiming, he fired back saying it was a joke. If we establish that I am petty and contentious, then I don't really think saying 'are we mass-claiming' seems in line of a joke, especially when people were claiming.

Bruh.

This isn't my first rodeo.

Nobody mass claims immediately in theme games, let alone large ones.

[Brian Skies]

I don't like the Gamma wagon. I think the frustration is genuine AND alignment indicative.

I promise to revisit it at some point. Don't expect too much.

[Brian Skies]

I think Gamma’s stance on LLD is very surface level. I’m townreading LLD. Before it’s asked, no I don’t have an explainable reason.

Do you think Gamma is sus then? Or...?

Just wondering what the point of this post is.

[Brian Skies]

haha i'm baffled that despite being universally townread, i have the 2nd biggest wagon

Must mean you're not universally townread then.

[Brian Skies]

im town too btw

wouldn't lie about a serious matter like that

-Nacho

This is muffin isn't it?

[Brian Skies]

I have somehow fallen behind again, but my townread on Cabd is strong as ever.

[Brian Skies]

I'm hammering if this wagon ever gets to L-1. Just fyi.

[Brian Skies]

When the three headed beast returns from breakfast for dinner, let's start talking potential pools, sure.

I guess a quickhammer is not for the best.

[Brian Skies]

It's okay, we surpassed my 20-30 page prediction a long time ago.

[Brian Skies]

Firebringer answered my call to hammer the signup thread. I'm obligated to at least let him live to Day 2.

In all seriousness though, I thought he felt fine early on. Not so much lately, but that could just be some players posting more than others (and the game still hasn't been open for half a day yet).

[Brian Skies]

I'd rather night one be a free for all if ya ask me.

I for one do not see much merit in grouping up players into pools, but that's just me.

Like, what benefit does town get in knowing who each person is supposed to target each night?

[Brian Skies]

I think if blades want to be visited by more drivers, then that's their incentive to be more towny.

[Brian Skies]

Like, what benefit does town get in knowing who each person is supposed to target each night?

The main benefit is that if there is an important power role who is a blade but hasn't claimed, they won't have to claim to have a chance to be targetted.

Because as I said, drivers are overwhelmingly likely to target people who have already claimed as blades. Unless we think drivers are more willing to target unclaimed targets?

Drivers don't have to visit anyone at all if they don't want to.

If a driver wants to visit, they should visit a townread of theirs and pray they didn't visit scum.

Grouping players off potentially forces drivers into visiting scum blades, giving the scumteam info on who those particular drivers are that they wouldn't otherwise have gotten.

[Brian Skies]

I promise I won't.

But only because you asked nicely.

[Brian Skies]

Speaking of which, I don't like my current vote anymore, but don't really know who to vote for

LLD?

[Brian Skies]

I'm actually slightly townreading Nora's apprehensiveness with this wagon.

[Brian Skies]

I'm actually slightly townreading Nora's apprehensiveness with this wagon.

See I might buy that but I ascribe much more "go with the flow and see where it leads" to my town noraa model. Now mind you it's not a perfect model, but... See custom title.

At least you have a model to go off of. This is the first time I've played with her.

[Brian Skies]

I'm sticking to my slight townread though unless given a reason otherwise.

[Brian Skies]

There seems to be very little thread interest in starting counter wagons elsewhere

Nobody moved onto Fermis Flames, and Noraa is on their own in moving to Gamma

And then there are a bunch of people voting by themself

Pick better wagons or make a case?

[Brian Skies]

Read my posts

I did read them.

I'm saying if you want something else to happen, you should do something about it yourself instead of voting a slot that I don't think very many people think is scum.

[Brian Skies]

I thought his posts were meh.

[Brian Skies]

but part of my role is probably quite good for leashing a scummy player

There will be no leashing of scum this game.

[Brian Skies]

There will be no leashing of scum this game.

what is this supposed to mean? it almost comes off as a scum slip but I'm confused.

Maybe if you actually read what I quoted then it would make sense.

[Brian Skies]

but part of my role is probably quite good for leashing a scummy player

There will be no leashing of scum this game.

That’s not what I said. I said leashing a SCUMMY player. Not scum.

I know what you said.

[Brian Skies]

Then you’re a scumfuck trying to avoid being chained. There will be something around your neck in due time, be it iron or rope.

Why would scum me prefer to be eliminated instead of chained?

[Brian Skies]

Tentative townread to the muffin head of that hydra.

[Brian Skies]

Tentative townread to the muffin head of that hydra.

Nacho head.

~ strange

I know Nacho made that post, but based on the contents of it, I'm townreading the Muffin head.

[Brian Skies]

Tentative townread to the muffin head of that hydra.

Nacho head.

~ strange

I know Nacho made that post, but based on the contents of it, I'm townreading the Muffin head.

I don't understand

It's okay. I'm not expecting you to.

[Brian Skies]

this setup is similar to that setup in that receivers needed sensors in order for their power to work

this setup is different because only 1 driver can fit in with 1 blade and the driver gets to choose the target which kind of fucks my previous mechanical thoughts all to hell if i remember my previous mechanical thoughts which i'm only vaguely confident of

i do have some mechanical thoughts that i'd like to share with you once i talk them over with my wonderful stellar hydra partner. i want to talk them over w/him first because they're still super half-baked like everything else in my life + i'm worried that i'm so charismatic about things that the second i float them out into the world then everyone will immediately sheep them and then it will be super difficult to put pandora back in her box, you know?

realistically though i see your question because muffin, the greatest hydra partner the Southern Hemisphere has to offer, told me about it, but i don't remember the set up well enough nor do i remember my previous thoughts enough to give an answer that isn't a horrible mess like the above. i will give you a better answer when i skim that game a little more, but that won't be today.

This post makes me townread Muffin more, tbqh.

[Brian Skies]

I'm not trying to hurt your feelings at all. I just feel town Muffin oozing from these posts, even though he's not even the one making them.

[Brian Skies]

OH is it because muffin was signing his posts nacho which means that nacho posting is "muffin"?

I highly doubt this.

[Brian Skies]

To explain in as few words as possible, I'm reading your slot based on your hydra dynamics, not anything either of you have said in particular.

[Brian Skies]

TM WF Syndrome probably tests positive on BSkies

What is TM WF syndrome?

[Brian Skies]

It's a joke.

[Brian Skies]

First impression of LLD?

[Brian Skies]

To continue my reread or catch up on last 18 pages.

Dilemma

.

[Brian Skies]

it would be funny though if this was all a massive joke by the Mod, and he made all of us fking blades

At least one person claimed driver, so...

[Brian Skies]

Having driver's mixed up with all the specials isn't the worst thing in the world.

[Brian Skies]

I hear what you’re saying Noraa. But you’re still being meek.

Ninja-
Interesting unwnd. Care to elaborate more?

This is the like the perfect game for Firebringer to excel in and he remains to be unseen. It's kinda hard to go further than that but I think it makes sense

the funny thing is i'm reading firebringer in that game cakez linked and it's like...a copy

What game is this?

[Brian Skies]

Oh extremely. I got a random paranoia ping at a post gulitinna or whatever made a while back but didn't voice it but you clearly got pinged somewhere on there too.

Weird, guillotina is definitely not the one I would have picked out of those two.

[Brian Skies]

Oh extremely. I got a random paranoia ping at a post gulitinna or whatever made a while back but didn't voice it but you clearly got pinged somewhere on there too.

Weird, guillotina is definitely not the one I would have picked out of those two.

I was a little thrown off at first too, because the scum read I was initially talking about was LLD, but once I ISO’d Guill more, I think they have a lot of scum equity.

LLD and Cobra Kai are both in my scumpool.

Guillotine pings me weird at first, but whenever I actually read his posts, I start to think he's town. I haven't really looked at him in the grand scheme of things.

[Brian Skies]

LLD is fairly obviously active lurking, or at least that's the impression I got both times she came into the thread, the first being her almost immediately voting one of Gamma's posts, and the other responding approximately 15 minutes after I poke Nacho for impression on her.

I think Gamma’s stance on LLD is very surface level. I’m townreading LLD. Before it’s asked, no I don’t have an explainable reason.

I found this in particular very odd from Cobra, as if he was looking for a reason to townread LLD. It doesn't really make sense to me and I'm not a fan of his engagement with Nora.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: LLD

[Brian Skies]

I'm not gonna lie, LLD wagon also makes me a little giddy knowing Nacho's reaction to an LLD vote a few pages back.

[Brian Skies]

I don’t think Cakez is scum. The wagon feels scum pushed, one likely in LLD and Guill. Plus one other on wagon, then maybe Noraa actively is staying off to not have too many scum on the wagon. Probably going to need 3 scum on the wagon to finish

I'd hardly consider Guillotine or LLD as strong advocates of that wagon.

[Brian Skies]

SRing someone with 10 posts. That is such a vanity and more compromise wagon material than anything else.

Hello, it is I, Brian Skies, an incredibly vain person who has correctly identified scum off of two posts before.

Not saying that is what is happening here, but I think your qualms are misplaced and instead of complaining you should, idk, do something yourself?

[Brian Skies]

I’m not even pushing the idea of fading LLD

All my votes are to fade.

Even the RVS ones.

[Brian Skies]

How can you guarantee it will go anywhere

We can't. Thats just a risk you're going to have to take.

[Brian Skies]

Skies did you say somewhere what about my interactions with Noraa you didn’t like?

No. Did you explain your thing to Nora?

[Brian Skies]

Muffin posts since we started LLD wagon makes me lol.

[Brian Skies]

Not really because since it seems meta related. But we're not even wagoning you right now.

And Nacho-LLD interactions have me curious.

[Brian Skies]

I thought we were fading Cakes today.

I mean we're currently trying to fade LLD. But depending on Cabd, it will probably be Cakes.

[Brian Skies]

I thought we were fading Cakes today.

I mean we're currently trying to fade LLD. But depending on Cabd, it will probably be Cakes.

Cakez is still wolf and idc but LLD seems more interesting.

If LLD is scum, we have our first bus candidate.

And here I thought you knew basic bussing 101. A shame.

I got slightly paranoid of you last night and moved you down my reads list. Good to see i was probably right the first time.

[Brian Skies]

i told nacho yesterday that i think there's a high concentration of scum in cakez, brian skies, noraa, l4pd and uh maybe manwithnoname and then nacho decided to be contrarian and town read most of those people

we are an incredibly not-dysfunctional hydra

-Nacho

I don't believe there's any world will town-muffin scumreads me this game.

[Brian Skies]

Fire, myself, and Brian haven’t been on Cakez, have we?

I'm the self-designated hammer vote.

[Brian Skies]

I said I would hammer you.

Well, this is quite the dilemma.

[Brian Skies]

@Brian - I think we’re correct in regards to LLD, but I don’t have faith in us being able to push it through.

Rip Day 1 LLD Dream-wagon.

To be fair, I was never expecting it to happen over Cakez anyway.

[Brian Skies]

Let me know when we get to E-2 so FL and I can double-hammer.

[Brian Skies]

I guess this makes BM town.

[Brian Skies]

I missed the part where it was insightful.

[Brian Skies]

If that is lead to be true, then I would rather push Brian/Flavor because they have said a few things I don't approve of.

What do you not approve of?

[Brian Skies]

If that is lead to be true, then I would rather push Brian/Flavor because they have said a few things I don't approve of.

What do you not approve of?

Unfortunately it's been buried but the theme right now is starting anew. I've applied clear pressure to you and I think you've mostly handwaved it. How come? I want to hear your perspective

The only think I distinctly remember was you taking issue with one of my early posts that you didn't think was a joke. There's not really any point in discussing that point with you because either you think it was a joke or you don't.

Everything else I remember was being engaged on by Battle Mage. I didn't want to interfere with the interactions and ended up forgetting about it. (I also admittedly did not read them)

If there was anything else, I either didn't think it was that significant or didn't think there was any point in refuting.

If there is something that bugs you about my play, I don't mind talking it out with you. If you don't think it's worth bringing back up because it got buried or you forgot, then it was probably not that important anyway.

[Brian Skies]

I don't get where you decided LLD was the one you wanted to vote; what did you think FL having your back and your read on him.

Since I have to do your work for you, I will compile a list of times LLD and Cobra have been mentioned in my iso below.

Spoiler:

I have to admit, fferytammysyr, your reaction to my reads fell really flat.

And I'm kinda sad about that.

What do you make of her posting right now in every game except this one, then, Gamma?

A bit off, but this game has blown up, she could be putting it off

Vote: Gamma Emerald

After 25 Pages:

cabd

*maria
firebringer
L4pe
Fermis Flames
reagan

more town
unwnd

mebbe town
midwaybear
flavor leaf
*Guillotina

less town
*manwithnoname

Antitown, but is it scum?
Battlemage

Very Probably Scum

Gamma

Vote: Gamma

?

?

This comes around the time I vote the Gamma wagon. LLD joins it around the same time and immediately seems to discredit my Cabd townread (granted Cabd was defending Gamma, but there you go). Not really a big red flag there by any means.

LLD does vote Gamma here (before me), and it was only 5 minutes after Gamma makes that post, which gave me the impression she either could have been following along or just chosen a post from whatever page she happened to join the game in on to vote (a la RVS style). Her reaction to my aforementioned readslist (which happened almost immediately thereafter) makes me think she was probably following along to some degree.

Im fairly caught up now.

cabd
*maria
firebringer
L4pe
Fermis Flames
reagan

more town
unwnd

mebbe town
midwaybear
flavor leaf
Guillotina

less town
*manwithnoname

Antitown

, but is it scum?
Battlemage

Sketch
LLD

Very Probably Scum
Gamma

This is my very next reads list. I very clearly already have LLD listed as Sketch.

I think Gamma’s stance on LLD is very surface level. I’m townreading LLD. Before it’s asked, no I don’t have an explainable reason.

Do you think Gamma is sus then? Or...?

Just wondering what the point of this post is.

Cobra Kai makes a weird distinction regarding both Gamma and LLD. I wanted to know if there was some connection or what. I don't believe I ever got a response.

Speaking of which, I don't like my current vote anymore, but don't really know who to vote for

LLD?

Me asking Dunn if he'd be interested in voting LLD, who is clearly a point of interest for me.

VOTE: Cobra Kai

let's shake things up

I liked Cobra Kai's posts

VOTE: Cobra Kai

let's shake things up

I liked Cobra Kai's posts

i don't

I thought his posts were meh.

My immediate response to Dunn saying he liked Cobra Kai's posts.

First impression of LLD?

First impression of LLD?

?????

!

This is me asking Nacho about his impressions of LLD. All I got were ?'s (which I think were fair, but I was hoping for something at least, after all she had a short iso, and he has way more experience with her than I do).

It only takes her like 15 minutes to respond to it, once again making me think she's at least following along.

Oh extremely. I got a random paranoia ping at a post gulitinna or whatever made a while back but didn't voice it but you clearly got pinged somewhere on there too.

Weird, guillotina is definitely not the one I would have picked out of those two.

I was a little thrown off at first too, because the scum read I was initially talking about was LLD, but once I ISO’d Guill more, I think they have a lot of scum equity.

LLD and Cobra Kai are both in my scumpool.

Guillotine pings me weird at first, but whenever I actually read his posts, I start to think he's town. I haven't really looked at him in the grand scheme of things.

And then we get to here where I end up crashing into whatever it was Flavor Leaf was doing at the time.

Alright, now Flavor Leaf (161 posts FML, it's okay I know I can skip ~80% of it).

Spoiler:

I think there’s scum within Lady and Guillotina. Both were strong onto Nora, and decided to actively avoid when it got hot.

Cakez wagon feels LHF, I'm not voting there now.

I'm gonna ISO the other wagons.

I'm definitely not voting Cakez today. The guy is getting pushed based on an evidence claim that Cabd cannot present due to site's rules.
In other words, if they cannot be presented they don't exist! Imagine if we could convict people based on non corroborated proof in real life! A lot more people would be in jail!

We gotta take his word for it? Like hell I will, I don't know this guy!

We either find real evidence to yeet Cakez or vote someone else.

Good night!

@cabd we could all easily be wrong.

This post pings scum.

Your post pings scum.

Not only because you didn't elaborate why in the same post, so the intention was not bring awareness but to shade, but it also raises some questions.

Do you think we could all not be easily wrong? If so, why?

What information do you have to assume all people could be right? And if you think everyone could be right why did you vetoed Sircakez yeet?

For the record: im not saying everyone could be right or wrong, im saying that Bell got a point and throwing shade at Bell for it is scummy.

VOTE: Noraa

I will self-vote tomorrow if I'm wrong, which will reveal my info in a mod-confirmed way and put us down two town plus whoever dies to night kill but whatever. At least you'll have all the info. And see exactly why I am doing what I am doing.


Cakez man I am sorry RNG fucked you over bud but like, we can hug after your team shoots me night one in the dead thread and make up and play footsies.

If you are this sure to bet your own life on it by compromising to self-vote. I'll bite.
If he flips green with an important ability, i'll be mad. Crown Prince level mad.

VOTE: SirCakez

It’s this trajectory for me. It looks like they know Cakez is town, but want you to push through it while it’s known they were against it, but then they jumped on both Noraa and Cakez. I think Noraa looks like a bus vote, but then it got hot, so they finally accepted they will need to join Cakez.

Acting in bad faith, Gamma, you the one out here yelling to policy obv town Battle Mage, could you tell I was leaning scum on you here, so you had to turn it on me because you noticed me not defending. I was trying to stay out of it because I’ve misread you a decent amount recently,

Oh shit does LLD have a posting restriction?

X

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84467
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=84480

Read me in both of these and tell me if you think I handle a second of being scum with BM after I made up my mind on him.

In addition, curious why people are voting me at this point. I have given reads, so what’s the fucking deal?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Vote:Noraa

vote:cakez

Hard to believe I was excited for this game 24 hours ago
This has been one of the most miserable mafia experiences in my six yearsplaying

I wanna fight for you but honestly at this point its post humous.

If you flip town Cabd is gonna die. That is my promise to you.

Sorry.

And for Lady, they had hard Gamma rage, posting style is short and limited, they joined Noraa early, Noraa got hot, then moved to Cakez. Extremely similar. They act like Cabd gonna die if Cabd misfades SirCakez.

So Guillotina and Lady are in the same boat, similar trajectory.


I wanna rail Noraa a bit more, but I can see a townNoraa world. It just happens to looks similar to a acumNoraa world

That read on LLD is a read in its own right. People who know her can’t push her because she’s actively doing a weird post thing.

Cabd
Cobra Kai
Dunnstral
Gamma Emerald
Guillotina
l4pe
Lady Lambdadelta
MariaR
Noraa
unwnd
Will catch up later maybe (Nachomamma8/zMuffinMan)

This is probably my bottom 50%, and by that I mean, these players have failed to make me consider them as townie or they’ve actively done something I feel could mean they are scum regardless of my actual read on them, if that makes sense. I believe my paranoia with Gamma and Cabd is a good sign, personally. I almost included ffery hydra here.

Way too early analysis conclusion - around 4 scum in that list. This is a confirmed 5 scum game, right?

If we want a new wagon, i could go Lady

VOTE: Lady

Happy to follow Fire here, and I’ve been happy with your slot thus far

This is what I remember from Flavor Leafs catch-up. He already had his own trajectory going towards LLD that was independent of me. It just so happened that the two of us wanted to wagon LLD, just for different reasons. I personally do not see a huge issue with it, but I admittedly am skimming several portions of this game.

I don't have any particular issue with Flavor Leaf up to this point and do have him in my townread pile.

but I feel your posts are leading up to something that never comes.

I'm not really sure what you think I

should

be doing. I'm still trying to push my suspicions, but at the moment, two of my stronger townreads (Cabd and Fferyhydra) feel very strongly that Cakez is scum. I feel less strongly about it, but who am I to deny them of their convictions? There's a limit one can and should do without detracting from wagons that matter. Yes, I can push and argue for pages on end with my scumreads (and have been known to do so), but if it derails a lynch on possible scum, then who is it really benefitting?

[Brian Skies]

At least three pages have been generated since the construction of my last post.

I'm at a loss for words right now.

[Brian Skies]

since when did you start thinking that blindly sheeping your town reads is a good thing

-nacho

Since ffery decided to take every opportunity to remind me that Albert was indeed scum in Advance Wars Mafia (who she felt strongly about and I kept her from lynching).

[Brian Skies]

I also don't think I've ever voted Cakez yet, so yeah, that's definitely a thing.

[Brian Skies]

hey just a suggestion could you be a little less of a seething arrogant jackass to the clearly new player.

Just a suggestion.

You know, you're right.

I'll keep this in mind.

[Brian Skies]

I don't know what the vote count is at.

[Brian Skies]

I'm also 3 pages behind.

[Brian Skies]

turns out less new player than I thought, but the sentiment is still there ye?

Yeah, I get you.

[Brian Skies]

I said there wasn't enough fluff for the fluffmaster scum Brian to be scum here.

This guy gets me.

[Brian Skies]

Didn't read it, but I'm happy to go here. Was fos'ing him overnight.

VOTE: Guillotina

[Brian Skies]

hi hows it going fellaas

We're fading Guillotina. Want in?

[Brian Skies]

Overnight reads:

Cabd
Flavor Leaf
Battlemage
Bell
Reagan
Maria
unwnd

Fairly Town
Midwaybear

Positive Side of Null
ManWithNoName
Dunn
Hives
L4pe

Sketch
Guillotina

Probably Scum
Noraa
LLD

[Brian Skies]

Oh boy. I'm going to be in this game for a while, aren't I?

[Brian Skies]

Cakez/Noraa/Guillatina/MWNN/ {regan?}

There are only 4 more scum. Regan doesn't need to be there, imo.

It's funny that you included MWNN just as I was going back and crosschecking yours and his isos.

[Brian Skies]

Cakez/Noraa/Guillatina/MWNN/ {regan?}

There are only 4 more scum. Regan doesn't need to be there, imo.

It's funny that you included MWNN just as I was going back and crosschecking yours and his isos.

Lol, just realized Cakez is flipped. I'm still a fan of LLD scum tbh.

[Brian Skies]

I think LLD-Guillatina is an exclusive one scum list.

I favor guillatina in that grouping.

I don't, but I'm not really gonna argue with you over it.

[Brian Skies]

Baby you can drive my blade
Why do we still have SirCakez
Baby you can drive my blade

And maybe I'll love you
Broom vroom vroom vroom yeah?!

?

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Noraa

[Brian Skies]

WTF! If you guys think that i am scum because i made the mistake of defending what seemed like an LHF being bullied by a power player then you got it all wrong!!! Im town. I was not a lurker on Day 1, it implies i've been in the game but not engaging which is not true. I signed up to a game that is supposed to last 10 days per day phase which adjusted to my work schedule and free time but it ended in a day!! If i knew i was signing up for a blitz game i wouldn't have sign up at all.

Now it's Saturday night and I already got plans, so if this game does not end in 12 hours, we can talk, but I'm town!! My only sin was feeling empathy for someone I thought was being bullied!!

I won't stop the wagon, but I no longer think this is scum.

[Brian Skies]

Also, MWNN originally claimed driver, then joked around that he was lying before crumbing blade later on in the game.

This claim from Noraa does nothing for me.

I also don't like that she thinks she is supposed to be town just for claiming PR.

[Brian Skies]

I'm a blade who was softing driver yesterday (particularly via my *I am targetting between hot and catchup hydrae").

So, I was the "liar."

But, it's MWNN?

Interesting post. If true, I guess I should just keep voting Nora then.

[Brian Skies]

I think this is a very bad game to accuse other players of lurking. It's much more likely players are just getting drowned out regardless of alignment.

[Brian Skies]

I also don't like that she thinks she is supposed to be town just for claiming PR.

But not a scummy dislike, right? More of a personal distate for the play

Because I don't think it's scummy

I think the general idea of 'I'm town because I'm a PR' tends to come more from scum than town. Not saying town can't do it, but I think scum rely on it more for towncred.

[Brian Skies]

Probably Scum

LLD

Why?
Also what of the names you left out?

I made a pretty decent spoilered wall regarding this at end of Day 1. I don't think you've read it.

If a name wasn't included, I didn't know where to put them. With the exception of one name that wasn't included because I don't think there's a point (I do think they're town though).

[Brian Skies]

I think I'm at least semi-obligated to explain my read on Guillotina since they replaced out and there's a wagon on them or something.

Spoiler:

I'm definitely not voting Cakez today. The guy is getting pushed based on an evidence claim that Cabd cannot present due to site's rules.
In other words, if they cannot be presented they don't exist! Imagine if we could convict people based on non corroborated proof in real life! A lot more people would be in jail!

We gotta take his word for it? Like hell I will, I don't know this guy!

We either find real evidence to yeet Cakez or vote someone else.

Good night!

I think this only looks bad in hindsight because Cakez was scum.

@cabd we could all easily be wrong.

This post pings scum.

Your post pings scum.

Not only because you didn't elaborate why in the same post, so the intention was not bring awareness but to shade, but it also raises some questions.

Do you think we could all not be easily wrong? If so, why?

What information do you have to assume all people could be right? And if you think everyone could be right why did you vetoed Sircakez yeet?

For the record: im not saying everyone could be right or wrong, im saying that Bell got a point and throwing shade at Bell for it is scummy.

VOTE: Noraa

This post pinged me a little, but I like how he defended Bell from Noraa. This wasn't a good push from Noraa, and Noraa's explanation regarding the semantics is something I'd expect more from scum than town.

There is also a direct and incisive tone that reads town to me, which is why I said it generally reads town to me when I actually read the words.

Cabd if Cakes flips town you die tomorrow okay?

That isn't a deal, it's just a promise.

That hell is this? A death sentence? If cakes flips green it does not mean Cabd is immediately scum. Town can be wrong. We put him under scrutiny and if he does not measure up we yeet him.

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

I will self-vote tomorrow if I'm wrong, which will reveal my info in a mod-confirmed way and put us down two town plus whoever dies to night kill but whatever. At least you'll have all the info. And see exactly why I am doing what I am doing.


Cakez man I am sorry RNG fucked you over bud but like, we can hug after your team shoots me night one in the dead thread and make up and play footsies.

If you are this sure to bet your own life on it by compromising to self-vote. I'll bite.
If he flips green with an important ability, i'll be mad. Crown Prince level mad.

VOTE: SirCakez

These posts look weird when juxtaposed because he pretty much did exactly what he accused LLD of doing, but I don't really see hypocrisy as a scumtell since I see townies guilty of it all the time.

I do think at last one of LLD are scum here, but I'm leaning slightly less on Guillotina.

Now, the one problem that had me suspicious is the fact all of his votes are against Cakez, Nora, and LLD. And they are very committed and incisive, and for things I myself wouldn't think would warrant a fade on their own. So if there is a Cakez/Nora/LLD team, I'd be a little bit more wary of this slot.

WTF! If you guys think that i am scum because i made the mistake of defending what seemed like an LHF being bullied by a power player then you got it all wrong!!! Im town. I was not a lurker on Day 1, it implies i've been in the game but not engaging which is not true. I signed up to a game that is supposed to last 10 days per day phase which adjusted to my work schedule and free time but it ended in a day!! If i knew i was signing up for a blitz game i wouldn't have sign up at all.

Now it's Saturday night and I already got plans, so if this game does not end in 12 hours, we can talk, but I'm town!! My only sin was feeling empathy for someone I thought was being bullied!!

I don't consider this guy to be a lurker by any means. His activity is healthy when you realize the posting habits of the players in this game aren't (120 pages generated in two days or so of play).

Now, my scumread is partially dependant on a Newbie tell, but it's been established they aren't one. So I don't put much stock in it. I have enough qualms with this slot that I wouldn't stop his lynch, but I don't really feel like voting him.

[Brian Skies]

Step 1: generate 22 town aligned flavor names
Step 2: Put those in alphabetical order
Step 3: Put that list into the list randomize function on random.org. The top 5 are now mafia fakeclaims.
Step 4: Design the roles and rest of the game
Step 5: Get 22 players to sign up.
Step 6: Put the player lsit in alphabetical order
Step 7: Put that list into the list randomize function on Random.org, the top five names are mafia.

Solid method imo.

[Brian Skies]

I literally do not understand what anyone is seeing on Guillotina.

Is...is it a me problem?

Maybe.

[Brian Skies]

My enthusiasm for seeing Flavor Leaf is much less than that of Cabd's right now.

[Brian Skies]

Yesterday I said LLD and Guillo were the 2 I was suspicious of, i pushed LLD, and from that I believe Guillo to be scum here.

I like this though. This makes me very happy.

[Brian Skies]

I kinda sorta want to fade Guillotina just so Bork doesn't have to look for a replacement.

But Nora's still scum.

LLD probably is too.

[Brian Skies]

You know, I'm liking this little mindmeld between Flavor Leaf and me right now. One might even think we had a neighborhood last night.

We definitely didn't though.

[Brian Skies]

I think it's LLD because their anger at me seemed genuine after looking back.

I understand why you might think this.

I disagree since I feel like they originally entered the game looking to stop the Cakez wagon by going after its champion (i.e. discrediting Cabd). I was also not a fan of her seemingly trying to coach Unwnd when she though they were a Newbie.

[Brian Skies]

I think his behavior is facsimile of scum who know too much. Feels like his sorting process has no merit and he only leans on provided information to make posts.

Lol?

[Brian Skies]

I call it how I feel about it. I'm still behind so let me backread if you've posted anything I like

Doubtful. You never like anything I post.

[Brian Skies]

In terms of people I would list 'probably don't kill' it'd be Lurking

Who?

[Brian Skies]

In terms of people I would list 'probably don't kill' it'd be Lurking

Who?

Ah sorry, I meant Catch up

My brain moved to lurking for some reason

They're not lurking, they're just [username].

[Brian Skies]

So I linked with someone the other night who targeted Fermis and now Fermis is dead

What do I think about this?

Nothing.

That slot has a high percentage of drawing N1 kills.

[Brian Skies]

So I linked with someone the other night who targeted Fermis and now Fermis is dead

What do I think about this?

Also, isn't it stated that scum have a nightkill IN ADDITION to their abilities?

So I don't see any correlation here.

[Brian Skies]

I don't think anyone is voting Noraa because we don't like her.

Pretty sure we just think she's scum.

[Brian Skies]

I cover the wagons. At that 6 vote counterwagon peak we have- flames, Cabd, Cakez, bm, flavor, me.

Who’s scum in that pool?

Ninja-
Ayyy lmao

Cakez, clearly.

Did I win?

[Brian Skies]

and I also received the same information she did from her action.

I don't need specifics, but what kind of information are you claiming to have received here?

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Guillotina

[Brian Skies]

No link.

[Brian Skies]

Bell, legit just drive me tonight and one of us can live to shitpost about it.

Sounds lovely. Sure.

i don't mean to interfere but we could really use a Rider

Sounds dirty. We should do something about that.

[Brian Skies]

Remember LLD is very likely town cause I'm alive

that's all.

Byeeeee

This is flawed on so many levels, but I don't really feel like explaining it to you.

[Brian Skies]

I guess I'm not going to bed.

If you told me 4/5 hours ago that I would be harddefending Guillotina and absolutely dismayed to see them flip my only guess would have been I saw God while socially distanced at a gas station or something

Can someone walk me through why we're fading a randomly scumread slot instead of mechanically confirmed scum? Are you just that worried that Guillo can only happen today or like what?

It's not random, lol.

Has anyone said it was random?

[Brian Skies]

Remember LLD is very likely town cause I'm alive

that's all.

Byeeeee

This is flawed on so many levels, but I don't really feel like explaining it to you.

We're not killing her today nor will you listen to me if I die so does it matter?

Not really.

And I don't think anyone has asked for her elimination today, so...

[Brian Skies]

My cheeky attempt at calling the scumteam: {cakez, noraa, lld, guill, gamma}

[Brian Skies]

My cheeky attempt at calling the scumteam: {cakez, noraa, lld, guill, gamma}

This is actually probably very wrong, but I'd think it would be hilarious.

Probably not gamme. Could replace with MWNN/Beeboy.

[Brian Skies]

Don't think gamma's scum as opposed to very emotionally over-invested town that needs the reset.

I just hip-reacted to a Gamma post. Thinking back on it, I don't think he should be there.

[Brian Skies]

That would "oops, all low effort" scumteam, no?

I'm just basing it off my reads. I don't think I've mentioned effort once?

[Brian Skies]

btw unwnd if you don't tr me yet you're not gonna all game but I'm town so don't waste time with me k?

Guillo flipping scum is the best way to save LLD town.

This would probably make me want LLD's flip more, to be honest.

[Brian Skies]

There's probably one scum who is here right now and I'm unwilling to believe otherwise lol

Oooh. Oooh. I think I know who you're thinking of.

[Brian Skies]

My cheeky attempt at calling the scumteam: {cakez, noraa, lld, guill, gamma}

This is actually probably very wrong, but I'd think it would be hilarious.

Probably not gamme. Could replace with MWNN/Beeboy.

That would "oops, all low effort" scumteam, no?

Don't think gamma's scum as opposed to very emotionally over-invested town that needs the reset.

calling me low effort feels insulting

I'm pretty sure he means besides you.

[Brian Skies]

shoving the

town

scumslot later.

classic freudian slip lads, when nora flips town i'm next

Rip.

I don't know why we'd have to wait until we flip Noraa though. There's still today.

[Brian Skies]

I'm not really in any particular rush in lynching LLD.

[Brian Skies]

If I'm targeted at another Blade, I prevent them from using the action they are using that night the next night.

Delayed roleblock?

[Brian Skies]

{Beeboy, Nora, Cakez, LLD, Guill}?

[Brian Skies]

If I'm targeted at another Blade, I prevent them from using the action they are using that night the next night.

Delayed roleblock?

Yes, but only for the ability they used

So it's like the move Disable.

[Brian Skies]

I don't mind being targeted by Dunn.

Don't know what it would accomplish, but there you go.

[Brian Skies]

But like three different players with vastly different styles are all getting to this list... so.

I'm just waiting for you all to catch up to me, tbh.

[Brian Skies]

JSYK I'm a driver

Kinda figured.

[Brian Skies]

I don't NEED it to be bell who visits me, but we certainly do want somebody in my town pool driving tonight.

Reagan asked you for Bell.

[Brian Skies]

I'm fine with someone checking Spiffeh.

[Brian Skies]

Also, hi Spiffy!

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Noraa

[Brian Skies]

Was that a hammer? I literally have no idea what the VoteCount is at.

[Brian Skies]

Votecount 2.X

[6] noraa (Will catch up later maybe, l4pe, Bell, unwnd, Flavor Leaf, Brian Skies)
[4] Spiffeh (Cobra Kai, MariaR, midwaybear, Firebringer)

[10] Not Voting (Battle Mage, beeboy, Cabd, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Spiffeh, Lady Lambdadelta, ManWithNoName, noraa, REAGAN BUSH 84)


11 to lynch.

[Brian Skies]

Brian Skies who are your scum reads?

LLD+Noraa
Maybe your slot
Maybeeee MWNN/Beeboy

[Brian Skies]

Since I feel like mostly everyone else has claimed (or at least given a strong indication of what they could be), I'm just going to confirm I'm a Driver. I'm probably just gonna randomly pick someone at Night.

[Brian Skies]

I think me pairing up with Cabd is a waste since our reads are too close together.

[Brian Skies]

I'm going to be honest, I was leaning towards the Presidents tonight anyway.

I even crumbed it.

[Brian Skies]

It's more so I don't die of loneliness

Depending on when we go to night, it might overlap with when I go back to work and I do 12 hour shifts, so probably not the best reason for me to link up with you.

[Brian Skies]

Deja vu.

[Brian Skies]

Idk, Spiffeh. What does your role tell you?

[Brian Skies]

Hey now that Spiffeh's gorgeous self is here can we just lynch Noraa? That wld be swell.

To anyone interested in linking up with me I'll be around during the night phase a lot more than during the day phase, as will Muffin.

I'd currently be most interested in Spiffeh ---> Bell PT. 2 ---> Brian Skies.

Thanks!

I was also thinking of linking with you but Bell seemed to be interested in that, so I went ahead and crumbed the Presidents instead.

I'd actually very much prefer this link, but I'd still be very happy with Reagan.

[Brian Skies]

No, Guill claimed driver.

[Brian Skies]

Tammy died N1 AS A DRIVER WHO DIDN'T TARGET ME

Really? I thought for sure they would pick you.

[Brian Skies]

I just looked this up because I'm not familiar with the flavor

This is a heavy soft of the character 'Zeke'. He's a driver.

He also says he's a Driver in his first post...

[Brian Skies]

They were saying that lynching Guillo over Noraa at that point was silly.

[Brian Skies]

My desire to fade Guillo-slot is actually rapidly diminishing.

[Brian Skies]

I think so.

[Brian Skies]

Yeah, I'm probably just going to pick one of Reagan/Muffincho regardless of what you guys draw up and call it a day.

[Brian Skies]

Like. It seems more like to me that you're just going to pair with your scum buddy who is unaccounted for as of right now, to use their ability.

Hmm. I could be convinced to go back on Guill, I guess.

[Brian Skies]

Wasn’t it obvious from the get go that was why he denied the leash?

I'm going to be straight with you, I'm kind of checked out right now because I have other commitments I need to attend to, and nothing this day phase has moved my reads much, if at all.

[Brian Skies]

I'm not understanding why Cabd has two people trying to link with him

In case someone gets blocked.

[Brian Skies]

I personally would like LLD vigged, but you think that's town, so...

[Brian Skies]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh why didn't guillotine dude shoot last night then

Probably because he was buried by all our posting and didn't want to take a bad shot.

[Brian Skies]

Bad Brian. Lld is good shilesomebirbwhisnugglws townies

I will die on this hill with or without you.

[Brian Skies]

Go to sleep Cabd.

[Brian Skies]

How about we lynch LLD and let Spiffeh shoot Noraa?

[Brian Skies]

Bad Brian. Lld is good shilesomebirbwhisnugglws townies

I will die on this hill with or without you.

Is this just how you play now? Never changing your mind despite mountains of evidence?

It's kind of sad.

What evidence?

[Brian Skies]

Nobody talks to me about things so I just assume they don't read what I post.

[Brian Skies]

Is this just how you play now? Never changing your mind despite mountains of evidence?

It's kind of sad.

It's actually how I've always played, now that I think about it.

[Brian Skies]

I know Cobra put in a list or whatever, but I'm visiting Muffincho, fyi.

So you may need to make a revision.

[Brian Skies]

Also LLD I am terribly disappointed

LLD and Muffincho both made bets with Cabd at end of Day 1 depending on Cakez' flip. If he flipped scum, they would both owe Cabd their vote for Day 2.

LLD is kinda sorta honoring it I guess, Muffincho doesn't seem to care.

Either way, I think the former is scum and the latter is probably town. But I don't really think it matters which slot's scumread.

[Brian Skies]

Go to sleep Cabd.

[Brian Skies]

Angrypidgeon is in this game?

I think I might know who it is.

[Brian Skies]

im serious on the spiffy thing

from what i can tell the push on him is some arbitrary association between him and noraa that i am completely unaware of

does anyone want to clarify

They think there's exactly one scum between Spiffeh + LLD based on Day 1 interactions with Cakez wagon.

They don't like Spiffeh refusing to link so he can use a 'vig' that they believe Guill would have used. They also don't like Nacho asking for Spiffeh to link up with them. They are afraid it's scum Spiffeh trying to link up with a buddy to use another ability before being eliminated.

They also don't believe Guill wouldn't have shot Noraa N1.

[Brian Skies]

Brian is there any chance you'll reconsider your drive choice

Always. I'm going to do what I want.

[Brian Skies]

If it makes you feel any better, Reagan, it's a two-slot race between you and Muffincho.

[Brian Skies]

then why did Guillo replace out from "not caring" if they had a vig shot.

I don't think he ever said this.

[Brian Skies]

There’s probably one other thing that should be done if we do my plan, to account for the one legitimate partial out Noraa has.,SOMEONE has to figure out who Noraa pairs with.

She doesn't have to pair with anyone.

[Brian Skies]

then why did Guillo replace out from "not caring" if they had a vig shot.

I don't think he ever said this.

i assume its an implicit message

I'm pretty sure he did care, just didn't want to deal with the 120+ page spamfest regardless of his alignment.

[Brian Skies]

i think so too, just trying to rationalize flavors thinking

They think he raqequit and probably would have at least either shot somebody (Noraa) or at least tried to stick it out if he had a vig.

It's not the worst thinking, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And if he were scum with that ability, why not just shoot another townie on D1 when it's most effective?

[Brian Skies]

There’s probably one other thing that should be done if we do my plan, to account for the one legitimate partial out Noraa has.,SOMEONE has to figure out who Noraa pairs with.

She doesn't have to pair with anyone.

Did the “blades HAVE TO choose a partner” thing get disproven?

Blades absolutely have to pick a driver if at least one driver picks them.

But Drivers aren't forced to visit every blade, or any blade for that matter.

[Brian Skies]

Okay. Let's say I visit her with intent to leash her. What's her only out in the pairing stage of the game?

Why do you care so much about empowering scum and giving them access to their linked abilities instead of empowering someone who could be town?

[Brian Skies]

Because we have a guilty on Noraa.

[Brian Skies]

Why would Spiffeh-town shoot Flavor Leaf?

[Brian Skies]

Votecount 2.X

[5] noraa (Will catch up later maybe, l4pe, unwnd, Brian Skies, Battle Mage)
[9] Spiffeh (Cobra Kai, MariaR, midwaybear, Firebringer, Cabd, Flavor Leaf, Dunnstral, Bell, Lady Lambdadelta)
[1] Flavor Leaf (noraa)

[5] Not Voting (beeboy, Gamma Emerald, Spiffeh, ManWithNoName, REAGAN BUSH 84)

11 to fade.

[Brian Skies]

Alternatively, we fade elsewhere completely, leash Spiffeh to kill Noraa? But this has room for unknown error.

How about we

lynch

fade LLD and let Spiffeh shoot Noraa?

[Brian Skies]

Even if Spiffeh is town, there might be scum abilities that prevent him from shooting Noraa. I think that is what FL was getting at?

I was just kind of reading it as "what if Spiffeh is just scum", but sure.

[Brian Skies]

Tbh, I feel like Spiffeh-town is more likely to shoot me than Flavor Leaf because Spiffeh usually thinks I'm scum.

[Brian Skies]

He'll probably come back tomorrow with 'Noraa claimed this to me and I received it, she's definitely town guys.'