Xenoblade 2 Mafia: Game Over

Cobra Kai · Post Post #13 (isolation #0) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:03 am

Blanket request for all to keep postcounts down, there’s 22 players and the vast majority are... chatty. Save it for PTs if at all possible. Let’s get d1 sorted by page 100.

Hello otherwise!

Cobra Kai · Post Post #35 (isolation #1) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:10 am

I’m not playing guess who. If I mainslip then great for you guys! But I’m intentionally playing a different style so meta wont so much good for you.

Ninja-
I’m aware it’s probably in vain. But even drawing attention to it gives people that second thought if they really need to post five times in a row to explain one thought.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #44 (isolation #2) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:13 am

We pair off people in advance for PTs so the can continue individual lines of questioning there.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #281 (isolation #3) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:12 am

I’ve decided I’m just going to start my read from whatever page is here when I’m done being productive.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #797 (isolation #4) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:43 pm

I am townreading unwnd. I think he has fair stances on gamma and BM. I don’t like BM’s FoS, I don’t see where he got his interpretation of what unwnd is saying.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #832 (isolation #5) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:00 pm

I think Gamma’s stance on LLD is very surface level. I’m townreading LLD. Before it’s asked, no I don’t have an explainable reason.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #947 (isolation #6) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:49 pm

Do you not like the idea of pre-planned pairs, cabd? Would it be better if we had some way to circumvent outright claiming?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #972 (isolation #7) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:55 pm

I was thinking along the lines of give

everyone

a pool of 2 or 3 to target in. Everyone meaning everyone.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1020 (isolation #8) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:15 pm

Noraa does seem very meek this game. I would believe a Noraa scumflip regardless of Cakez alignment.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1025 (isolation #9) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:19 pm

In post 1021, SirCakez wrote:Then vote her

Maybe later.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1036 (isolation #10) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:30 pm

I have my own thoughts on how to relegate it as well.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1093 (isolation #11) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:14 pm

I wanted pools to allow some sort of tracking down the line if there was tomfoolery in the night actions. We can do free for all though.

My concept was essentially- Players pick a pool of 4. Person above them in the OP vetoes one. Person below vetoes one. Players then target between the two.

Ninja-
I too am not opposed to looking at the hot hydra.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1099 (isolation #12) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:17 pm

Because I understand a lot of this playerlist is excited about linking with certain people and wanted to make sure everyone had their fair chance. I did consider that option as well.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1117 (isolation #13) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:29 pm

We've already discussed night actions, bear.

I am also concerned by the lack of a case but not concerned enough to try and stop it.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1120 (isolation #14) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:32 pm

Saying site rules does not mean try to figure out exactly which rule, noraa.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1123 (isolation #15) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:33 pm

We just did? About how if we want regimented pools for everyone or if we just YOLO it.

We're YOLOing it.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1131 (isolation #16) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:35 pm

Side note, are scum fakeclaims likely to be something in particular or just normal characters turned red?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1139 (isolation #17) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:37 pm

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

Ninja-
@Dunn, I know those are the two options of how they normally work. I was asking the crowd of people with experience in the game which they think is more likely.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1152 (isolation #18) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:43 pm

In post 1149, Cabd wrote:Like we're all seeing this right?

Noraa is trying to dismantle the wagon on cakez to save him.

NORAAAAAAAAAAAAA you were supposed to be town and sheep to victory.

I called it first, for the record.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1166 (isolation #19) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:49 pm

Have you never played with Not_Mafia?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1176 (isolation #20) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:54 pm

Strange is fferyllt, Bell. Tammy isn't signing. Syryana is Spin.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1199 (isolation #21) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:03 pm

In post 1189, Fermis Flames wrote:can you tell which posts are mine johnny?

I’m not really struggling to differentiate you three, no. But if you’re asking me who made this intentionally vague post I suppose you’d have me there.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1235 (isolation #22) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:16 pm

Gamma, Dunn, BM-

What are yo ur thoughts on 1226. That’s a staunchly different defense against meta tells than I remember from the Haunted Village.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1362 (isolation #23) » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:10 pm

You’re positing four scum within five votes on a LHF wagon day one?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1602 (isolation #24) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:18 am

I have a tentative townread on the catch-up hydra.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1605 (isolation #25) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:24 am

I agree about the hot hydra being town (I like Tammy trying to navigate the setup through Nacho based off an old setup, I don’t think that’s where her mind would go as scum).

I have no opinion on Firebringer.

I can’t talk about bear for ~reasons~.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1610 (isolation #26) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:26 am

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1649 (isolation #27) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:56 am

About who? Cabd?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1663 (isolation #28) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:38 am

I might have missed it but where are you guys (either just you or collectively) at with Flavor Leaf?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1715 (isolation #29) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:31 am

Another dethy, huh.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1725 (isolation #30) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:38 am

In post 1720, Fermis Flames wrote:
In post 1715, Cobra Kai wrote:Another dethy, huh.
Narrows things down a bit.

~ strange

Does it though?

I’m on the same wavelength as you and Syryana however.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1726 (isolation #31) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:38 am

Said wavelength referring to Noraa scum.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1739 (isolation #32) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:45 am

I know what narrowing down means, hence my first line. I just checked and I am in sync with Syryana actually, not sure why I thought you would have gone “fuck the system” when it’s more Syryana’s wheelhouse.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1757 (isolation #33) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:54 am

It’s just a prank bro (GONE PUBLIC)

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1773 (isolation #34) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:00 am

Full role pms aren’t being flipped I already asked

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1816 (isolation #35) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:13 am

Why should we eliminate LLD? I’ve liked her posting.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1828 (isolation #36) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:15 am

So are you guys 2/3 noraa scum then?

Ninja-
Are you a DGB disciple? I don’t think scum hammer town as often as people think.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1863 (isolation #37) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:24 am

He’s like standard BM frustrating. But it’s tolerable.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1873 (isolation #38) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:40 am

What cakez posts did you think looked town fferyllt?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1881 (isolation #39) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:46 am

You’re scum because your role PM has a bunch of red letters in it, noraa.

Ninja-
3/3. I’m tempted to follow suit.

Ninja-
Noraa no one seriously wants to eliminate Cabd at this point stop fearmongering.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1883 (isolation #40) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:48 am

My mistake. Mean to say “No one in their right mind.”

Will do my best to be more clear next time.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1887 (isolation #41) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:50 am

I’d listen to that paranoia. I was about to nominate his performance for a Razzie.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1891 (isolation #42) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:57 am

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1894 (isolation #43) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:04 am

I will say I like firebringers recent posts as I think he has some very controversial stances he wouldn’t need to take as scum here.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1900 (isolation #44) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:13 am

Hey bell, do you have any thoughts about the guillotine?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1903 (isolation #45) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:15 am

I’m not sure if I’m getting newbtown vibes or what from them. Wanted a second opinion.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1908 (isolation #46) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:24 am

Well yes? Why else ask you in particular?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1912 (isolation #47) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:28 am

Because you just popped in the thread and I was interested in developing a dialogue with you.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1917 (isolation #48) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:33 am

I’ve skimmed most of it and have a pretty solid standing. Most important thing is to not look too hard into the slap fight between BM and Gamma.

Most of it is Cabd campaigning for Cakez and then various disapproval from the peanut gallery.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1921 (isolation #49) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:35 am

Who else is scum, Flavor Leaf?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1931 (isolation #50) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:40 am

Hey Cabd I have an idea of what your info is.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1938 (isolation #51) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:42 am

Well I’d say they are Cabd and Gorkington off of what you’ve told me

Ninja-
He’s very bottom on everyone’s lists of priorities Bell. It’s concerning.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1955 (isolation #52) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:48 am

If I’m a driver I’m targeting the hot hydra or the identity crisis hydra.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1966 (isolation #53) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:51 am

VOTE: noraa

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1977 (isolation #54) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:53 am

Cakez you realize you have a fair amount associatives with Noraa, correct?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #1993 (isolation #55) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:55 am

That you two look very much like distancing scum partners, Cakez.

Ninja-
Oh, I am. But when you hear the call of the gods, far be it from me to deny them.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2001 (isolation #56) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:57 am

I’ve definitely wished I could Vig BM before that’s NAI

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:16 am

Why Firebringer? He has a very weird positioning if scum.

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:17 am

I also disagree and think unwnd seems fairly town.

Ninja
Acknowledging and ignoring

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:22 am

I hear what you’re saying Noraa. But you’re still being meek.

Ninja-
Interesting unwnd. Care to elaborate more?

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:26 am

In post 2084, REAGAN BUSH 84 wrote:
In post 2054, Cobra Kai wrote:Why Firebringer? He has a very weird positioning if scum.
what does 'positioning' matter?

Being so unique in stances makes it harder for others to see eye to eye. And by extension, more likely to get the spotlight on them for it.

Ninja-
I think I understand. Thanks. I think his reads make him more likely to stand out but I get where you’re coming from.

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:35 am

In post 2106, Cabd wrote:I don't even know what to do here. I need to think and step away a bit I think.

This sucks.

When you come back, are you still reading Flavor Leaf as town?

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:38 am

You say potato, I say “Futile distancing attempt that just ends up in the same first two day eliminations both flipping red in a different order”

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:51 am

Who do you think pocketed you fferyllt?

I’m also not surprised at all at Flavor Leafs newfound scumread of me.

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:59 am

In post 2171, Fermis Flames wrote:
In post 2156, Cobra Kai wrote:Who do you think pocketed you fferyllt?

I’m also not surprised at all at Flavor Leafs newfound scumread of me.
You, Shihan

onegai shimasu

~ strange

Alright. I’ll stand aside, let me know if you need anything from me.

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:06 am

In post 35, Cobra Kai wrote:I’m not playing guess who. If I mainslip then great for you guys! But I’m intentionally playing a different style so meta wont so much good for you.

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:11 am

In post 2192, ManWithNoName wrote:
In post 2190, Cobra Kai wrote:
In post 35, Cobra Kai wrote:I’m not playing guess who. If I mainslip then great for you guys! But I’m intentionally playing a different style so meta wont so much good for you.
We all know you're Ralph Macchio.

Johnny Lawrence is the true Karate kid.

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:33 am

There’s no passion behind her push on me. Look at her vs Joyed and her vs me.

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:58 am

Makes sense. I’m around whenever you have something for me.

I find it ironic Flavor Leaf is breaking up the power couple between him and Cabd.

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:02 pm

Just do. I think he’s been fairly town from the get go and I don’t see scum Cabd choosing to play this game out like he has. I view it as town Cabd who found a thread to pull and hooked it to the back of a Maglev. I don’t get that vibe from you. I think you are flying pretty heftily under the radar and I expected more than just myself to notice it.

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:16 pm

I think LLD is a rather unexciting wagon.

Regarding flavor leaf, other than myself the only mentions I noticed were Cabd wanting his input. I also think their “mind lock” was too seamless for my liking. I think Flavor Leaf is playing almost like the devil on the shoulder. Of course, it’s still early and all of that is subject to change.

Ninja-
What don’t you like about my engagement with Noraa? How is what I’m doing any different than Cabd and Cakez?

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:43 pm

@fferyllt- Haunted Village. We miseliminated Noraa day 1. She was near rabid to all her aggressors, they made up the entirety of her scum pool. Joyed in particular had a read that could not be explained. She went on and on about it despite multiple people saying drop it (Gamma actually encouraged her train of thought that game).

As for Flavor Leaf, I think his term he uses is Warlocking? I think if I am Flavor Leaf in this game, the best way for me to control this game is find one person to pocket and frontrun pushes for me. Cabd fits the bill. I understand he’s been busy and had not had a huge presence in this game, however he is definitely acting very cocky about his input thus far (I understand this is a personality tell, let me continue). I wouldn’t describe his play as making waves. More as coasting on Cabds, which is why the confidence reads strange to me.

Ninja-
If you don’t strike first you lose, Cakez.

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:49 pm

I don’t like you two saying I could be scum when I’m the first person to point out how awkward she’s been this game.

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:49 pm

And no, I’m not talking about recently. Cabd and I talked about it a while ago.

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:54 pm

Skies did you say somewhere what about my interactions with Noraa you didn’t like?

Cobra Kai · Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:58 pm

As I’ve said repeatedly she just feels meek and passionless this game. I saw it early, before she was “demotivated by my ignoring her.”

I then proceeded to play that little keep away game so I could judge her reaction against how she played in that game I mentioned where I scumread her for her over the top attitude regarding a similarly unexplained read. She was way more aggressive with them versus way more exasperated with me.

Does that make sense or do I need to rephrase?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2361 (isolation #76) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:00 pm

I am, Flavor. Skies asked for my explanation.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2364 (isolation #77) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:01 pm

In post 2358, Brian Skies wrote:Not really because since it seems meta related. But we're not even wagoning you right now.

And Nacho-LLD interactions have me curious.

I’m most likely the counterwagon to Cakez after Noraa flips, just wanted to pregame it a bit.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2386 (isolation #78) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:07 pm

I think she could be way more aggressive than she is, Bell.

Presidents jumping off me after minimal pressure or interaction is strange.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2488 (isolation #79) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:40 pm

I liked Cabd’s wall but I don’t think I’m the target demographic.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2496 (isolation #80) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:45 pm

In post 2490, Fermis Flames wrote:
In post 2488, Cobra Kai wrote:I liked Cabd’s wall but I don’t think I’m the target demographic.
You're not voting Cakez when you should be. You're definitely the target demographic. Come on. For science.
-spin

I think my stance on Cakez is pretty self evident.

Don’t you guys want more time in the day phase anyways?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2504 (isolation #81) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:51 pm

Point being, if one of you three wanted more time in giving them more time. You’ll have my vote.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2514 (isolation #82) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:54 pm

Other than sideshow attraction what are your thoughts on Flavor, Syryana?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2589 (isolation #83) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:39 pm

I wait with bated breath for bears response to Cabd.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2598 (isolation #84) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:41 pm

Don’t end this day until the bear answers Cabd.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2638 (isolation #85) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:57 pm

I think that wall from Flavor sounds like a sleazy car salesman.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2657 (isolation #86) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:08 pm

Prism what does a dart throw read mean?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2672 (isolation #87) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:16 pm

I agree on unwnd, what are you seeing with Firebringer identity crisis ?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2690 (isolation #88) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:27 pm

I’ll be on Cakez once Tammy signals she’s done whatever she wanted more time for.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2716 (isolation #89) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:36 pm

I found it kind of sis, Brian. But I liked his response to my prodding about it.

Ninja-
@Fferyllt. You signed that post. Given syryana said it was Tammy who wanted more time I assumed you were speaking for her.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2723 (isolation #90) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:38 pm

VOTE: Cakez

L-1. Full claim and flavor.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2727 (isolation #91) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:39 pm

Pretty sure hyperposters were around before 2016.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2742 (isolation #92) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:42 pm

Well Flavor just hammered I’m pretty sure.

Ninja-
I’m down. Remind me the rules?

Ninja-
Unfortunate but true.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2744 (isolation #93) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:43 pm

With the exception of the BM Gamma drama this game hasn’t really felt toxic at all. Spammy yes.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2757 (isolation #94) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:47 pm

What is Maria scum like?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2763 (isolation #95) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:49 pm

Who would those threats be this game?

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2783 (isolation #96) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:04 pm

Over the night I did a re-read of the game with a focus on interactions around Cakez. I’m going to put synopsis reads at the top and any relevant notes within the spoiler so as to not overwhelm the page.

Cabd

- Yesterday locks in Cabd-town pretty significantly, I collected a few quotes here if you doubt it but if you are doubting it at this point there’s something significantly wrong.

Spoiler:

Hot Hydra

- I’m reading them as town still but there aren’t really any strange interactions between them and Cakez. Syryana jumped off wagon to chase his stronger read, but that “fight the power” thing is on-brand for him. As I said yesterday, Tammy wanting to tap into Nacho knowledge from another game was not an approach I would expect to see from them as scum. Fferyllt has just the right blend of paranoia as well.

Firebringer

- I was on the fence about Firebringer upon my initial read. When I reviewed the day, Firebringer was defending SirCakez

a lot

. But it wasn’t in a buddy way, it was in that misguided town way where they feel their friend is being unjustly pressured. I’ve seen it time and time again and it seems pretty self-evident. Firebringer was also the first to draw extra attention to that post that set Cabd off.

Spoiler:

unwnd

- unwnd was on the cakez wagon earlier in the day, he was actually the first person to bring it to 10 votes. He proceeds to leave the wagon to pursue his own goals and eventually end up townreading Cakez- but it’s authentic. I find myself agreeing a lot with his thought processes. His readflip reads as genuine and progresses throughout the day, and his reach-out to Cakez towards the end of the day looks like town extending a hand, not scum tossing their buddy a life raft.

Spoiler:

MariaR

- This is a read that can move because I’ve never considered myself good at reading her. That being said, Cakez had a very weird interaction with Maria early on in the game that I don’t think comes from buddies. Maria was prodding into Reagan and Cakez was discrediting and handwaving it pretty severely. It’s one of the few non-OMGUS things Cakez did and it’s part of why it stuck out- it definitely sticks out for Maria town but I’m not sure if it says Reagan is scum.

Spoiler:

Bell

- I don’t have a lot of Bell interactions mostly because he’s been V/LA. Bottom line for my read here is he doesn’t seem to hate his existance so he’s most likely town. We’ll see how he does in D2 but I doubt he has a lot of wiggle room. His vote on the Cakez wagon was a sheep vote so it is weak, still feeling the warm fuzzies on the whole though.

Spoiler:

Battle Mage

- I can’t believe I have him as high as I do in this list. It feels… wrong. Like working with Miyagi-do wrong. He’s his erratic, eccentric, normal self. But he’d been on and off Cakez all day, and Cakez had his vote parked on BM all day despite minimal pushing (Cakez pushed Noraa way more than BM but his vote was on BM way longer). Cakez also had some commentary on BM’s vote on him when BM wasn’t even on him anymore, and I think Cakez would be much more aware of where his buddies were voting than some random townie.

Spoiler:

Flavor Leaf

- This read is another in the same vein as Maria where I am not confident in my abilities to read them. However, I feel comfortable enough by the YOLO hammer to leave him for a few day phases. I do think it is interesting Cakez was not in his bottom half of the playerlist pool, and he continually deferred that read to Firebringer. He did have a good point about the EOD wagon feeling scum-pushed, which is something I agree with looking at the Noraa counterwagon at its peak (6 votes- Flavor, Cakez, Flames, BM, Cabd, Me). There’s only one scum in this group, which means scum wanted to bus here. I think there’s 3 on wagon and 1 amongst the vanity wagons.

Spoiler:

Gamma Emerald

- I haven’t really had an issue with Gamma this game sans his slapfight with BM early. But that was annoying, not scummy. His interactions with Cakez don’t look like buddy interactions, along with him and BM being early CW to Cakez.

Spoiler:

These next few reads are not

firmly

backed in any Cakez interactions, even though some did interact with him I want feedback on.

Catchup Hydra

- I’ve been gut-town reading them for most of the day. I think they occupy a similar void to Firebringer- Defending him when it doesn’t make sense as scum. Nacho hits on it in one of his posts, and I’m back and forth between “town who fell for scum AtE” and “Scum revisiting scum AtE to try and sway others with it.” I think town is more likely, but I wanted to put this thought in for others to comment on.

Spoiler:

LLD

- Not as big of a gut townread as the catchup hydra, but if you put a gun to my head and made me take a stance I’d say town here. I didn’t mind the weird posts as much as others (granted, I have very little experience with LLD). Cakez calls her out on lurking and simultaneously tries to buddy her. She votes him soon after. Her main negative interaction with the wagon was when she promised Cakez if he flipped green Cabd dies D2. I wasn’t leaning either way off it.

Spoiler:

Brian Skies

- I don’t remember who said it but whoever said he’d be more fluffy as scum made a good point and I am borrowing it.

l4pe

- Lurker. I noticed one post where it raised an eyebrow they commented on both Noraa and Cakez, but I could see this slot moving up or down pretty steadily as new information comes to light.

Spoiler:

Next part is VCA/Scum pools explanation.

So, as I said already, a big part of why I did this reread was to analyze interactions with the Cakez wagon and see who occupies the roles I expect scum to fill here.

There was the original 5 members of the Cakez wagon. I think it is incredibly likely there is one scum in that bunch, whether it was “didn’t expect it to take off and wanted to get an early bus in” or “start distancing early” has yet to be seen. That leans in the favor of MWB/MWNN. Cakez regularly talks about lurkers in this game. I think we are likely to find one or two scum in those lurker pools, but one of said lurkers shows up in multiple places. I’ll cover this more in their individual section, but you can read my notes if you want to see where I’m going with this.

Given how the day shook out, once that Noraa counterwagon popped up I took a look at the wagon votes. I’m townreading all of the votes pretty significantly besides Cakez, which makes me think scum decided to bus. I expect 3 scum on the wagon, 1 scum in the vanity votes.

Spoiler:

Beeboy

- I have beeboy in some interesting positions and he is in that interesting lurker pool, but I think he has some standout interactions with Cakez that make him the final choice for the pool I want to look at. He had an earlier throwaway comment about feeling guilty about voting Cakez that I don’t think comes from talking about a buddy, and was sitting on that stunted BM wagon with Cakez for a long time. I think both would be more aware if they were shoving a dead wagon together.

Spoiler:

Reagan

- I could see it being Reagan. They start out townreading Cakez, then readflip. Then we have that weird Cakez chainsawing Maria’s line of questioning into Reagan. I also think Reagan makes sense as the vanity vote off-wagon later on in the day. I’m not really interested in pursuing Reagan further at the moment, but if you put a gun to my head I’d call them scum.

Spoiler: Some of these are recycled from Maria

SCUMPOOL 1- MWB/MWNN

Midwaybear

- He’s been

very

interested in Cabd’s wall explanation of his Cakez read. All day. That, in addition with his early wagon constituency then later hop off than back on the wagon don’t look great. We also have that whole Prism main thread post which bothers the hell out of me for ~reasons~.

Spoiler:

MWNN

- Now, between MWB and MWNN, I think it is more likely that MWNN is scum. His initial vote looks like a weak sheep off of BM’s. He puts some extra heat on Cakez but not a lot of new though processes, and I didn’t like his brushing off of pressure from that extra heat. Later on, Cakez gives two separate scumpools that both have the same overlap- MWNN. Given that scum is likely to put one scum in those big pools, and the overlap between both, MWNN is my primary candidate for scum in this pool.

Spoiler:

SCUMPOOL 2- Noraa/Dunnstral

Noraa

- I’ve talked about Noraa a lot yesterday. I still don’t like the things I brought up, I still don’t like the weak reaction to my pushing. In terms of the thread, she has a lot of strange interactions with Cakez. She gets off the wagon due to sheep votes and then ends up back on when most of the wagon is still sheep votes. Cakez is scumreading her and actively talking about her for most of the day, so much so that his “dying wish” is to eliminate her next, but his vote has been on BM for most of the day. He even was trying to convince me to vote her while he wasn’t, then proceeded to call me and her scum together.

Spoiler:

Dunnstral

- He occupies a similar void to Noraa. Later on wagon votes that then jump off to stunt the wagon. The difference between the two is that Dunnstral ends back on the wagon. I also noted his townread on Noraa is interesting given the two of them occupy similar positioning on the wagons. I’m favoring Noraa as the scum in this pool, but included Dunn to be fair.

Spoiler:

Guillotina

- I think this person has to be scum. They’re a lurker, yes, but majority of their content is Cakez focused. Like, 80%. There’s some alt mindgaming with fferyllt, and then a bunch of defense of cakez, placating the wagon. And then they end up voting Cakez, the person most of their ISO is defending. It screams last minute bus vote in conjunction with my townreads on the Noraa wagon.

Spoiler:

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2787 (isolation #97) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:04 pm

VOTE: Guillotina

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2790 (isolation #98) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:06 pm

Sketch post.

Cobra Kai · Post Post #2796 (isolation #99) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:08 pm

Cabd what are your thoughts on my pool? I understand I wrote a damn essay but I'm feeling pretty confident.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:09 pm

You also felt like Cakez was town.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:10 pm

My point being is you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your position after being pocketed most of D1 by guilt over a LHF wagon.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:11 pm

I'm glad everything went well!

The bear is twinging my paranoia. I'm back and forth on him.

No problems moving Bell up.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:13 pm

If I may be so bold, I don't think Noraa fits as scum with that combination.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:13 pm

I know my wall said otherwise but I've been reevaluating more since I typed it all up.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:14 pm

Bell check my VCA section on my wall. I go into it.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:16 pm

In post 2819, MariaR wrote:Oh we're not killing wolf Regan yet?

Sad

I comment on this in my wall too!

I think he makes sense on the scumteam but I'm not certain enough in it. I'm really thinking-

Cakez/Guill/Dunn/(MWB/MWNN)/Reagan.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:17 pm

In post 2826, Cabd wrote:
In post 2822, midwaybear wrote:
In post 2806, Cabd wrote:Do you have, create, or interact with non driver-blade neighborhoods?
Yeah
Cool so we're not killing midwaybear.

At least not while I'm alive.

Interesting.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:19 pm

Revisit early Maria/Cakez interactions that doesn't look S/S at all.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:19 pm

Why the fuck does being confirmed blade matter

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:20 pm

I'm fine eliminating anyone in my pool I just posted.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:21 pm

I won't cry over Noraa.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:22 pm

Cabd revisit the interactions under Maria's section of my wall. I think Reagan is one and I'm fairly confident in the last one residing in MWB/MWNN.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:23 pm

Compromising on a wagon in 48 hours that you spend most of your iso arguing against?

Okay bear.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:24 pm

Yeah.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:27 pm

Flavor has to come in and pronounce scumreads on the other half of the playlist before we're allowed to end the day.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:32 pm

A wagon rolecop sounds like a scum ability.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:34 pm

hi Gamma!

Who's scum?

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:35 pm

Given their proximities on the wagon and the timing of it I find it highly unlikely Dunn/Noraa are scum together.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:37 pm

Who is it Noraa.

Do tell.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:42 pm

Dodging the liar question is noted.

Cabd, we might owe it to Syryana to make sure Noraa goes today. Whichever of us is still standing tomorrow takes down Guillotina.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:45 pm

This is an alt pulling a newbie ploy.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:46 pm

Noraa- out the liar or we run you up and make you out. It's that simple, stop dodging.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:47 pm

Uhhh don't driver/blade pairs dissolve after night ends?

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:48 pm

No cabd, the bear is right. He is following the Cobra Kai way.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:50 pm

In post 2, borkjerfkin wrote:Phase 4: Dawn (12+ hours). The Neighborhood is now locked

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:54 pm

It's just scum, Dunn. The ploy was to make D1 a pain to go back through and people went back through it.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:56 pm

2nded Cabd. Their votes were very similar. Guillotinas came after an ISO of defending Cakez.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:57 pm

Cabd I will wait for Flavor but I think I'm having my own Cakez moment for Noraa.

Ninja-
If you start sussing bear harder keep me in the loop.

Ninja-
Ragequit a la Tayl0r.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:00 pm

Scum definitely have fakeclaim

characters

with fitting roles.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:01 pm

Cabd before day ends I want to go through my cakez moment just in case.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:05 pm

I'm a blade who was softing driver yesterday (particularly via my *I am targetting between hot and catchup hydrae").

So, I was the "liar."

But, it's MWNN?

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:06 pm

Haven't you guys learned that last second distancing is fucking your team up

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:08 pm

Wow I can cross "Cabd Fakeclaim Gambit in 2020" off my bingo card.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:08 pm

My pen was out of ink I finally got a new one so I can actually cross it out.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:10 pm

Noraa you have zero chance of getting my head on a pike this game.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:17 pm

Cabd what do you think of Reagan’s treatment of me this day so far

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:21 pm

I’m fine going the replaced slot into Noraa because otherwise Bork will pause night deadline and it’s already long for me

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:24 pm

Reagan is their buddy, gamma.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:38 pm

As I said in my wall, it’s a toss up between her and dunn. I think she’s had the worse d2.

Ninja
I walk through my thoughts in my wall, Gamma. With links to posts and my notes from said post.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:40 pm

Why do we need a different Guillotina case?

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:46 pm

Gamma isn’t reading recent he’s still some pages back.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:28 pm

Flavor I still disagree with Maria.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:35 pm

I didn’t deny anything. I pressed them to out it because I suspected they were lying.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:37 pm

You should have been refreshing at day start with it in your clipboard

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:40 pm

Only if I get to be Koichi.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:41 pm

Is there a support group for people who may have found similar trains of thought of theirs in Flavor Leafs posting?

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:41 pm

Didn’t you say only scum would target you Cabd?

Was it the three header?

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:44 pm

I have my suspicions on what you’re getting at but we’ll cross that bridge d4/d5 when we’re both in the dead PT

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:45 pm

I doubt that the scum kill is linked to blade and driver targets. It’s probably a separate entity altogether

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:46 pm

I expected Cabd to go, frankly.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:48 pm

I’m not going to be paranoid of him at all. I think he I and Flavor are pretty obvious targets the next few nights.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:50 pm

Did you read his section in my wall? His defense of Cakez yesterday looked like town who felt guilty about eliminating their lhf buddy

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:51 pm

Any one of those three alone is a viable night 1 kill.

Ninja-
All good. I put detailed notes under everyone so you don’t have to look too far for my sources.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:55 pm

Gamma. I understand that’s your take on it but you need to remember this is a game. It’s not a matter of not wanting to play with someone. It’s a matter of finding the opposite alignment and using interactions for it.

I’ve 100% been where you are shouting down eliminations and questioning on my friends who I didn’t think deserved it. But it’s part of the game. They aren’t doing it to be mean. They’re trying to win the game.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:57 pm

Tinfoil says BM dies tonight

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:58 pm

I didn’t expect to mind meld with Cabd this day phase and expected I’d have to do more to impart my will.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:58 pm

My list was color coded for strength of the read

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:01 pm

We could just say 2 massclaim

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:05 pm

I googled my character

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:12 pm

I think we need to keep drivers hidden because blades are useless without them. Unless they’re pairing with scummy people then it’s their fault.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:18 pm

Gamma, am I scum?

You can’t discredit my day play and crumbing stuff here, too. It’s not going to work when I’m still alive.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:19 pm

And I’m not saying you’re scum for it but come on dude.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:20 pm

@Gamma look at the wagons when Cakez was at 9 votes and Noraa is at 6. Who’s scum on the Noraa wagon? Is Cakez wagon all town?

Ninja-
Agreeing with flavor. Nacho had some vintage moments I liked though.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:22 pm

I’m aware, I’ve played with scum and town nacho multiple times.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:28 pm

I cover the wagons. At that 6 vote counterwagon peak we have- flames, Cabd, Cakez, bm, flavor, me.

Who’s scum in that pool?

Ninja-
Ayyy lmao

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:29 pm

Maria’s town, gamma. I’m pretty sure final scum is Reagan.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:30 pm

Gamma. Go take a breather. You need to relax.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:34 pm

In Hainted Village I got a guilty that I crumbed then failed to shoot gamma (he was 2nd scum. Third died the day I crumbed). Next day phase gamma was very stubbornly defending his buddy despite my crumb being a death sentence

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:35 pm

If I can join that pt with Cabd and whoever hook a brother up. Thanks.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:37 pm

Created ones?

Ninja-
Alas, I am not.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:38 pm

Flavor do you see created hoods or what? Are you a pt spy?

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:43 pm

Dunn and Noraa aren’t scum together their wagon positioning and timing was too similar

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:45 pm

As I said in my wall- when it was Noraa at 6 and Cakez at 9 I expected 3 on Cakez and the last one in the vanity votes

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:49 pm

I’m fine with that.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:50 pm

We can save her for last if you’re really feeling ballsy.

Ninja-maybe it was 10 and 6 orn8 and 6. It’s in my vca section of my wall.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:00 pm

Firebringer link me.

Or we can leash gamma to me.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:02 pm

Actually I would rather have Gamma leashed to me if that’s okay with everyone.

Cobra Kai · Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:05 pm

Sounds like Maria and LLD are going to be a thing.

I’ll let more people weigh in.

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:44 am

Don’t get soft on us, now.

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:31 am

Gamma was very back and forth on Noraa d1 too. He did end up at a townread on her, but it’s weird.

I also feel like his play this game day reminds me of his desperation before Isis went down in Haunted Village. I’d appreciate if Dunn weighed in here.

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:53 am

Your choices are-

I’m town who sat back and waited for information to get this game in high gear

I’m desperate scum with my back against the wall who plans to bus my whole team and hope actions don’t catch me.

I know this isn’t a mechanical doomsday. I’m saying your play is reminiscent and it’s why I want input from someone who wasn’t dead that phase. I’m trying to shore up my read either way.

Wanting you leashed to me isn’t me saying you’re 100% scum. It’s making sure you target town, regardless of your alignment.

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:45 am

My bottom lin is I want you on someone town decides for the time being. It’s fine for you to have input to make your role useful if you’re town, but I need to make sure we’re prepared in case you aren’t.

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:51 am

Why the fuck would you use a driver/blade cop over that d1 with a scum elim? Lmao

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:55 am

Flavor.

Also, your claim seems to have changed pretty drastically in the span of one post.

Ninja-
Because scum is scum

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:57 am

Flavor.

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:04 am

I think the only player I could see doing that who I’m not townreading strongly is the catch-up hydra.

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:34 am

Flavor leaf I told you like 3 times

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:35 am

Unwnd I’m pretty sure beeboy is lost in the abyss. I could be wrong.

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:35 am

Cabd I have to go do errands you can be the voice of reason for a bit have fun

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:35 am

Dunn revisit firebringers defense of Cakez d1 it looks like a townbeard

(Stopped for lunch hi again)

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:36 am

Spiffeh if you’re a driver target me tonight please.

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:42 am

I’m fine pairing Firebringer and RR.

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:43 am

Just so we’re clear from now until the end of the game everyone must react prematurely to non hammer votes

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:44 am

I changed my mind I want to leash my scum pool to me to make sure they aren’t driving scum

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:45 am

The presidents.

You can also be the second one on Cabd.

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:46 am

Oh and Cabd, I have a theory about the bond Bear has.

We can talk about it tomorrow though I don’t think it’s important right now.

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:49 am

I think you should be the second person to Cabd so Firebringer can do RR.

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:51 am

I’m fine if you want to take RR and Firebringer does Cabd, Brian

Cobra Kai · Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:52 am

Dw it’s not like the comod reads the thread