Xenoblade 2 Mafia: Game Over

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Greetings Gentlewavicals!

~strainge

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Blanket request for all to keep postcounts down, there’s 22 players and the vast majority are... chatty. Save it for PTs if at all possible. Let’s get d1 sorted by page 100.

Hello otherwise!

Willing to share your main?

~strange

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Willing to share your main?

~strange

Don't waste thread space obviously they won't do this lol.

No more wasteful than Cobra asking for less than 100 pages for d1 in this playerlist!

Hi guys!

-f

-spin

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Cool midway is town. The rest of you can try to keep up lmao.

Midway buddy here

-spin

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No advances for you, Scumd.

No tablecrumbs either.

-strange

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beeboy is probably just RVSing. If it was legit, he probably would be a lot more serious(I think).

im aware

just wanted an excuse to call him beelad

you can be town

-spin

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VOTE: fermis
I HAVE READ NOTHING
SPEEDWAGON SYR BEFORE SHE CAN SPEEDWAGON ME
PLEASE

Oh

hell no.

I
am
not
a
she

Dayvig: SirCakez

-spin

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Fermis I would like if you made your tags more clear wrt who has what

The active quarks have already identified themselves.

Charm will be around in a while.

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NO NO NO FUCK THAT BACK THE FUCK OFF ON CLAIMING BLADE OR DRIVER

Reasoning?

spin and strange spent the night discussing if/what/when to claim. Discussion was inconclusive.

- strange

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Of course the game would start while I’m out running errands

Rip my rvs shitposting dreams

~charm

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NO NO NO FUCK THAT BACK THE FUCK OFF ON CLAIMING BLADE OR DRIVER

Reasoning?

spin and strange spent the night discussing if/what/when to claim. Discussion was inconclusive.

- strange

No. I'm not gonna talk my reasonings out yet.

Later.

Maybe in the dead PT when I eat the N1 NK.

Yeah. I doubt the game is setup breakable, not given our Beneficent Mod.

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NO NO NO FUCK THAT BACK THE FUCK OFF ON CLAIMING BLADE OR DRIVER

Reasoning?

spin and strange spent the night discussing if/what/when to claim. Discussion was inconclusive.

- strange

No. I'm not gonna talk my reasonings out yet.

Later.

Maybe in the dead PT when I eat the N1 NK.

Yeah. I doubt the game is setup breakable, not given our Beneficent Mod.

~strange

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Let's fucking make this shit a reality
VOTE: SirCakez

-spin

Peditx40: God this is gonna be somethin
Peditx50more: I CANT FUCKIN POST STAHP

It's page 5 and I fucked up

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How do I have a Cabd townlean already?

This is scary.

~strange.

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I think I have an angry Google sheet somewhere of all the times I've been miselimmed
It's like 30+ times it's so bad

AND IM USUALLY TELLIG TOWN NOT TO LYNCH U!!!!!

This is a curious assumption.

~strange

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more votes for gamma please

I'll vote for gamma if you vote for cakez

-spin

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I was considering not having this conversation but I am going to do it anyway.

Why is claiming sub optimal?
Either select drivers should claim so we can get some amount of actions going through or we should full claim and organize the largest amount of actions possible.

Let's say hypothetically me and firebringer agree to connect up. Then there is a 50% chance we share the same trait as a driver/blade and we do nothing.
Idk do you think scum have such strong anti claim tools we should just throw away actions?

Because scum almost certainly have a role that states something like "You can pick a player and if they are a blade XYZ SUPERBAD STUFF HAPPENZ"

I would literally rather rely on blind pairing luck than this shit day one. Massclaim is gonna be a TERRIBLE look, if we go that route, bad shit's gonna happen. I don't like bad shit happening.

Your lack of concern about receiving a naked townread from the notoriously paranoid head is noted.

more votes for gamma please

Reasonings? I have some concerns in that direction, as well as in Firebringer's.
~strange

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look i did not expect anything more from you than a doublepost but damn it actually happened

also mine is """evil""" i suppose

Touhous are all evil >:(

Do you WANT me to be paranoid about your ability to get it right?

I already told you I'll worry about tammy and you two can go play with the rest of the thread.

I would consider your paranoia a great honor!

~ strange

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Something is seriously wrong with the way the cake is opening this game.

I am currently driving so you're going to have to settle for the dump of voice to text but I can't place my finger on it but there's something really weird and evil in the way he's trying to be too light-hearted about this including his own wagon I really don't want this series of votes on him to get written off as RVS shenanigans I want it made explicitly clear that I have a actual genuine read that is beneath 50/50 rand on his alignment

Vote: SirCakez

You know why.

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Something is seriously wrong with the way the cake is opening this game.

I am currently driving so you're going to have to settle for the dump of voice to text but I can't place my finger on it but there's something really weird and evil in the way he's trying to be too light-hearted about this including his own wagon I really don't want this series of votes on him to get written off as RVS shenanigans I want it made explicitly clear that I have a actual genuine read that is beneath 50/50 rand on his alignment

Vote: SirCakez

You know why.

Though my own concerns re Gamma and Firebringer are near the same level.

~strange

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Brian Skies?
More like Brian Scums

Is this legit?
I've caught BSkies quite early before, so I don't consider it anywhere outside the realm of possibility.

Very slightly
I disliked his townread dump

I can sheep that
VOTE: brian skies

Urge to burn

~ strange

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I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm pretty sure I don't need the metabinder this game.
7 long years grinding out meta reads and I think I've finally gotten intuition that I can trust.
I've got four town reads that I feel comfortable taking with me today three at the absolute bare bones minimum

I have 4, too, but spin won't let me keep one. yet anyway.

~ strange

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Cakez is town my guys

Why did you say it was town Cakez needs to be rescued from?

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Cakez is town my guys

Why did you say it was town Cakez needs to be rescued from?

himself

I think I have an angry Google sheet somewhere of all the times I've been miselimmed
It's like 30+ times it's so bad

AND IM USUALLY TELLIG TOWN NOT TO LYNCH U!!!!!

I mean, it's not explicit, but I had the impression from this post that you think the push on Cakez is coming from town.

~ strange

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L4pe, midway, battlemage, skies are invited to day three. Fucking fite me.

Reagan, too. spin won't let me have Brian :/

- strange

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excessive posting is antitown

weird thinking

the more someone posts the more reliable your read is on them

even if the content is irrelevant you can still read someone for posting garbage

im not sure why youd want to prevent people from doing this

i always feels it weird when people comment on peoples thinking when they say things like "posting too much is anti town" when it doesnt seem like a post u cn really read intent to but it doesnt look like ur reading intent. Idk weird out of place commentary to me. Maybe i am a hypocrite trying to read into a persons post about why someone would do that. Inception style.

i want a dialogue

it will give me a read

I like you.

~ strange

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Spoiler: thread

excessive posting is antitown

weird thinking

the more someone posts the more reliable your read is on them

even if the content is irrelevant you can still read someone for posting garbage

im not sure why youd want to prevent people from doing this

i always feels it weird when people comment on peoples thinking when they say things like "posting too much is anti town" when it doesnt seem like a post u cn really read intent to but it doesnt look like ur reading intent. Idk weird out of place commentary to me. Maybe i am a hypocrite trying to read into a persons post about why someone would do that. Inception style.

i want a dialogue

it will give me a read

yo whats ur read on old BM?

i actually do quite like your presence in the thread

use spoiler tags though

idk i think you come off as very... spammy

but not in a bad way

and the fact that you choose to engage me like this shows a healthy level of self awareness i think

addendum: by spammy i mean... posty. like, posting what you feel like? a very transparent style of play

and its usually towny to me to act like that

good read. can you talk some sense to cakez?

having fundamentally different ideas of how post volume should be handled means i probably wont agree with him at all on it

and im fine with that

i have to wonder if L4pe town would fight for his reads though

Why would you wonder that?

Waiting is.

~strange

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Abomination talk to me about Californian governors.

Addressed to me?

It's one of those terrible reasons to townread that I like anyway. Given the game speed and density, there's a fair bit of thinking what I'm thinking when I'm thinking it.

jsyk I'm insulted.

~ strange

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Abomination talk to me about Californian governors.

Addressed to me?

It's one of those terrible reasons to townread that I like anyway. Given the game speed and density, there's a fair bit of thinking what I'm thinking when I'm thinking it.

jsyk I'm insulted.

~ strange

I can live with insulted. There are at least five slots townier than what appears to be your best efforts so far. Sixth place? You gonna settle for that shit?

Not much I can do about not getting a word in edgewise.

Also, spin and I feel almost invisible here - not much interacting that we don't initiate, and even initiating interaction doesn't always get a response.

Maybe it's a 3headed thing.

~ strange

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Votecount 1.0

[22] Not Voting (Battle Mage, beeboy, Bell, Brian Skies, Cabd, Cobra Kai, Dunnstral, Fermis Flames, Firebringer, Flavor Leaf, Gamma Emerald, Guillotina, l4pe, Lady Lambdadelta, ManWithNoName, MariaR, midwaybear, noraa, REAGAN BUSH 84, Sircakez, unwnd, Will catch up later maybe)

With 22 alive, it is 12 to eliminate.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-30 13:00:00)

This was posted 16 Nov 2020, 14:00
can we

C

O

O

L

I

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we've been going for 7 hours??

not 7, TWO
that's my time >:(

This is the first post I've seen from you that even rises to the level of NAI.

~ strange

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NoName might just be like this and I doubt he cares if I'm voting him

VOTE: midwaybear

This however

bad vote

As much as it would please me to see this assassinated it's town

-spin

Cabd you suck for not masoning with me yet

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I don't really understand why Cabd or them are SRing me so I'm hoping to be able to address their concerns because I'd rather work with them than against them this game

Sugar bread I'm a hound for the glucose but your icing leaves the bitter taste of almonds and I'm afraid I'll have to take you down with me

-spin

Pedit fine strange you can have your fucking brian townread

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NoName might just be like this and I doubt he cares if I'm voting him

VOTE: midwaybear

This however

God damn I hate when my town reads don't love each other.

You are doing a hell of a lot better at swiming through the data stream than I am.

I'll try to see what you're seeing when I give up on realtime and start rereading.

~ strange

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Fermis talk to me about your serious vote on me since Cabd won't

Are you hoping they convince you that you are scum or something?

I just don't get where this comes from as a town. I'd be more interested in people reading actual possible scum slots.

Hmmmmm......

I don't really understand why Cabd or them are SRing me so I'm hoping to be able to address their concerns because I'd rather work with them than against them this game

Why? Do you town read them?

Oh I like you already!

~ strange

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Fermis talk to me about your serious vote on me since Cabd won't

Are you hoping they convince you that you are scum or something?

I just don't get where this comes from as a town. I'd be more interested in people reading actual possible scum slots.

Hmmmmm......

I don't really understand why Cabd or them are SRing me so I'm hoping to be able to address their concerns because I'd rather work with them than against them this game

Why? Do you town read them?

Oh I like you already!

~ strange

Thanks for the pocket but not accepted

Doesn't matter if you accept or not. Not sure if our thought processes will mesh well, but your post gives me srs townvibes/similar game approach for a stranger.

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Her entrance this game seems like she’s trying to revert back to RVS, which fine, she basically made it clear she was doing that, but she made an entrance looking to become center of attention for being goofy, as soon as I voted her, she disappeared, if only for a few minutes.

However, I don’t feel like she was as genuine in that spot here, and it feels like she’s trying to force her way into playing how she thinks she would play as scum.

Her small disappearance just feels really scummy. I don’t have that much to go off of, but in a game where we’ve all been still playing around, hers looks like she’s actively trying to fit in.

Just my thoughts off her entrance. Way too early, but I’m definitely going to be focusing here for a bit, albeit under the radar. Trying to not talk too much until I really have something to say,

Jesus fuck. You're town again aren't you. Aggghhh and I wanted glorious wagon scum you to death endorphins.

spin agrees with you. I'm still too squicked from illicit morphgame to read his posts. I'll be subcontracting that read, at least initially.

~ strange

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I don't really understand why Cabd or them are SRing me so I'm hoping to be able to address their concerns because I'd rather work with them than against them this game

Sugar bread I'm a hound for the glucose but your icing leaves the bitter taste of almonds and I'm afraid I'll have to take you down with me

-spin

Pedit fine strange you can have your fucking brian townread

I'm not cyanide ((

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Fermis talk to me about your serious vote on me since Cabd won't

Are you hoping they convince you that you are scum or something?

I just don't get where this comes from as a town. I'd be more interested in people reading actual possible scum slots.

Hmmmmm......

I don't really understand why Cabd or them are SRing me so I'm hoping to be able to address their concerns because I'd rather work with them than against them this game

Why? Do you town read them?

Oh I like you already!

~ strange

Thanks for the pocket but not accepted

Doesn't matter if you accept or not. Not sure if our thought processes will mesh well, but your post gives me srs townvibes/similar game approach for a stranger.

That's the thing, I'm not a stranger.

Do tell.

~ strange

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VOTE: Regan Bush

Didn't expect to find a scum this easily yet here we are.

This vote is bad and you should feel bad
-spin

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This is ffery?

Yeah, pretty sure you just got caught up with Cabd’s playstyle being in direct contrast with mine, especially after years of not really playing or seeing each other play.

My alts are also performative pieces, so I had to play a specific way to survive in the beginning because that game had a lot of players who didn’t know me or specifically knew like 2014 Boon, so I played into that which set the tone for the rest of the game.

I feel this game should already show that it will go differently. I actually don’t expect to be here until the end by any means this game.

Strange is ffery, charm is tammy, and i'm a goddamn nightmare
-spin

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Her entrance this game seems like she’s trying to revert back to RVS, which fine, she basically made it clear she was doing that, but she made an entrance looking to become center of attention for being goofy, as soon as I voted her, she disappeared, if only for a few minutes.

However, I don’t feel like she was as genuine in that spot here, and it feels like she’s trying to force her way into playing how she thinks she would play as scum.

Her small disappearance just feels really scummy. I don’t have that much to go off of, but in a game where we’ve all been still playing around, hers looks like she’s actively trying to fit in.

Just my thoughts off her entrance. Way too early, but I’m definitely going to be focusing here for a bit, albeit under the radar. Trying to not talk too much until I really have something to say,

Jesus fuck. You're town again aren't you. Aggghhh and I wanted glorious wagon scum you to death endorphins.

spin agrees with you. I'm still too squicked from illicit morphgame to read his posts. I'll be subcontracting that read, at least initially.

~ strange

This is ffery?

Yeah, pretty sure you just got caught up with Cabd’s playstyle being in direct contrast with mine, especially after years of not really playing or seeing each other play.

My alts are also performative pieces, so I had to play a specific way to survive in the beginning because that game had a lot of players who didn’t know me or specifically knew like 2014 Boon, so I played into that which set the tone for the rest of the game.

I feel this game should already show that it will go differently. I actually don’t expect to be here until the end by any means this game.

A big chunk, probably well over 50%, of your posting in that game was at me, not neuterhalf. I don't think I was collateral damage, and I'm not sure you are able to reliably tell our posts apart when we're in morph-mode.

This game is a reset opportunity for both of us.

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Well, I'm the Bringer of Chaos!

The Thunderbolt!

The Crown Prince!

Da Blade Eater!!!

Rings a bell?

For FUCK'S SAKE stop spewing role shit.

-spin

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Fermis talk to me about your serious vote on me since Cabd won't

Are you hoping they convince you that you are scum or something?

I just don't get where this comes from as a town. I'd be more interested in people reading actual possible scum slots.

Hmmmmm......

I don't really understand why Cabd or them are SRing me so I'm hoping to be able to address their concerns because I'd rather work with them than against them this game

Why? Do you town read them?

Oh I like you already!

~ strange

Thanks for the pocket but not accepted

Doesn't matter if you accept or not. Not sure if our thought processes will mesh well, but your post gives me srs townvibes/similar game approach for a stranger.

That's the thing, I'm not a stranger.

Do tell.

~ strange

Well, I'm the Bringer of Chaos!

The Thunderbolt!

The Crown Prince!

Da Blade Eater!!!

Rings a bell?

Sadly no. Maybe premature senility is setting in.

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NoName might just be like this and I doubt he cares if I'm voting him

VOTE: midwaybear

This however

God damn I hate when my town reads don't love each other.

You are doing a hell of a lot better at swiming through the data stream than I am.

I'll try to see what you're seeing when I give up on realtime and start rereading.

~ strange

You should get on this or you're gonna get a giant brick wall of reads from me with little to no space to breathe before you have to agree.

Nah. I want to surf a little longer. It's becoming fruitful.

How about a chapter-writing start time?

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reliably tell our posts apart when we're in morph-mode

This is exactly why I feel it was collateral, if that makes sense. While I no doubt believe we would have gone at it separately as well, you can look back at when I started to stop town blocking your slot was when I found out Cabd was in that hydra, so I went after and discredited your slot, which was also discrediting you.

We fought, yes, but I went back and forth town reading and scum reading multiple times.

This time, it will be through a different lens from both sides, and I’m interested to see what happens. I don’t think it will be the same situation at all, mainly based on the nightmare one of you guys reply towards me, and Tammy’s playstyle.

We are still the most likely to argue against each other in that, however. You are right.

Your mistake was in focusing on discrediting us instead of reading us.

But, enough of re-litigating that game.

~ strange.

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Maybe I wouldn’t be that way if you didn’t make games absolute hell to play!!!!!

w/e man

You can’t just dodge this problem. I am legitimately fed up with you shittunneling and spamming your way through the games you play. It’s time you learned to GROW UP.

the problem is yours, and yours alone. I don't see anybody else throwing their proverbial toys out the pram? Also, accusing me of shittunnelling when I've voted for about 7 different people in the last 3 hours is...incredible.

Maybe I wouldn’t be that way if you didn’t make games absolute hell to play!!!!!

w/e man

You can’t just dodge this problem. I am legitimately fed up with you shittunneling and spamming your way through the games you play. It’s time you learned to GROW UP.

shut up please

this will get nowhere

Game health maintenance. <3

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Yesssss cakes is still scum.


Justice wagon fucking ho

VOTE: Cakez

I don't feel like I can reliably read you, but you're giving me way more townvibes than I got in that last game.

I hope that's not a bad sign!

~ strange

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You are infuriating and I’m tired of ignoring the issue!

I mean you joined the game after BM, so...
It also just seems like your vote is based off pure dislike for his playstyle. I get that, but I don't know if I trust it to hit scum.

I didn’t realize the absolute depth of his awfulness though. Now that I do I want him terminated. Are you telling me since I joined later I shouldn’t stay if I have an issue with a player who joined before me? That’s arbitrary as FUCK.

Policy?

~ strange

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guys

you were supposed to wait for me

I said I was running errands and was bummed that my shitposting dreams were dead

I thought you'd wait

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also on my phone manwithnoname's avatar looks like mine. I'm liable to think he said something one of my other heads said. (if I read their posts)

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lol

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Page count: 2/60

I have decided to spurn the advances of both ffery and syr and sort that abomination entirely via Tammy. No pressure, Tammy!

lol is this why you don't have us listed in your masonry post, reads, something?

That might have changed but some time back I checked the discord channel and their was umbrage, not major it's still early mind you, but the kettle's on.

But I mean there goes my earlier thought that if I don't still have my +20 town mojo ring, it didn't matter because ffery is in this hydra and when does she never shine? i was gonna borrow hers (syryana shines too but he might be harder to read sometimes?) SO THANKS FOR THAT CABD!

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But, yeah, I don't see this viewpoint from town on Cakez. Like, he's not going "Look at this read" it really feels like he's saying "Tell me why I'm scum!"

don't think "why me" is a reliable tell

You're going to have to give up your EM card.

~ strange

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You don't need to convince me I'm scum lol but some actual reasoning is nice

I will say, I'm not sold on your push of Balfruss, and you used meta to mislead. That's enough for me a few hours in.

Usually I'd just want to be shitposting some more.

yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes

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that was a yes to the shitposting not whatever balfruss thing was.

sorry I keep forgetting to sign. I'm charming dammit!

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Cakez so what was the difference between the scum BM from chromavalon and the game you modded?

In town game he was much more aggressive and less just responding to whatever attacks come at him like he is here
And he drove the gamestate a lot more

The game is three hours long and people are already getting criticized for game state driving or lack thereof?

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{Fermis, Midway, Skies, L4pe}

{Battlemage, Maria}

{Leaf, unwnd, Regan, Guillotina}

{Gamma, Fire}

~~~~~Elimination Limbo Pole~~~~~~

Eh. A little uncomfortable with your bottom tier. I think I'd move Reagan up one. Guillotina's posts are good for what they are. Would have liked to see more engagement, though.

- strange

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{Fermis, Midway, Skies, L4pe}

{Battlemage, Maria}

{Leaf, unwnd, Regan, Guillotina}

{Gamma, Fire}

~~~~~Elimination Limbo Pole~~~~~~

Also, what happened to Unwnd?

~ strange

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NoName might just be like this and I doubt he cares if I'm voting him

VOTE: midwaybear

This however

God damn I hate when my town reads don't love each other.

This?

~ strange

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nevermind. can't read.

~ strange

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I guess I should actually read the role in my rolepm and the setup if I want early game to make any sense :/

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(I read my role pm; I didn't have time to read my actual role.)

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I have to admit, fferytammysyr, your reaction to my reads fell really flat.

And I'm kinda sad about that.

That which doth not exist cannot fall. Stay thou thine crocodile tears and provide thine utterances regarding the knighted glucose-laced gluten strands.

-spin

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I have to admit, fferytammysyr, your reaction to my reads fell really flat.

And I'm kinda sad about that.

I'm in the middle of a reread right now. Syr scummoned me to look at LLD posts and I find this awaiting me.

Your reads list mostly doesn't bother me. Just about everyone I'm townreading is on it. Along with a couple not-town-reads that I'm hoping I understand better after rereading. And you moved us up for reasons unknown.

In fact this post is the first post by you that's actually raised my hackles.

I thought your day 3 ticket was punched. :/

~ strange

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in short, I don't think I get any significant towncred from Gamma flipping scum.

glad to see we're in agreement

Has the VP posted yet?

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is cakez like legit scum tho. he feels so scummy. or was my tell for cakez if he feels scummy he is town. Idr.

cakez feels weridddddd

in short, I don't think I get any significant towncred from Gamma flipping scum.

glad to see we're in agreement

Has the VP posted yet?

the vice president would like to give the game his full undivided attention but is

out overthrowing a central american government

busy with work but has skimmed and given feedback, he won't be in until wednesday

I ran into one post that didn't sound all that much like Reagan so I was curious.

~ strange

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first quote accidental.

Firebringer's content is troublesome, though. Not above my limbo line atm.

~ strange

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Someone should tell boomer mage that we don’t use fos anymore :p

Oops

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Someone should tell boomer mage that we don’t use fos anymore :p

i generally assume anyone using the term "boomer" as an insult is over 60, although I'm not even sure what it means

all i know is, FoS's are rad!

I was just teasing and making an old out of touch joke based on your join date.

I don’t actually care if people use fos’s I was mostly just amusing myself

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VOTE: fermis flames

Uhhhh you can’t vote us because we haven’t voted you yet for you to respond with this vote.

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does anyone want to drive my blade, if you know what i mean?

the more i say that in my head, the dirtier it sounds

-Nacho

If you’re actually nacho your posts are flatter than flat.

Doesn’t bode well

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is cakez like legit scum tho. he feels so scummy. or was my tell for cakez if he feels scummy he is town. Idr.

cakez feels weridddddd

I have to admit, fferytammysyr, your reaction to my reads fell really flat.

And I'm kinda sad about that.

I'm in the middle of a reread right now. Syr scummoned me to look at LLD posts and I find this awaiting me.

Your reads list mostly doesn't bother me. Just about everyone I'm townreading is on it. Along with a couple not-town-reads that I'm hoping I understand better after rereading. And you moved us up for reasons unknown.

In fact this post is the first post by you that's actually raised my hackles.

I thought your day 3 ticket was punched. :/

~ strange

What do you think I meant by "Sad"?

I'm not up for trying to follow your convolutions right now. I want to call it a night and I haven't even had dinner.

I'm about 2/3 way through my reread. Still not liking firebringer and still don't know why he's above your line. I'd like to understand that.

[Fermis Flames]

I have to admit, fferytammysyr, your reaction to my reads fell really flat.

And I'm kinda sad about that.

I'm in the middle of a reread right now. Syr scummoned me to look at LLD posts and I find this awaiting me.

Your reads list mostly doesn't bother me. Just about everyone I'm townreading is on it. Along with a couple not-town-reads that I'm hoping I understand better after rereading. And you moved us up for reasons unknown.

In fact this post is the first post by you that's actually raised my hackles.

I thought your day 3 ticket was punched. :/

~ strange

What do you think I meant by "Sad"?

I think the game has moved on well past the point where I am getting any additional traction on cakes without casewalling, I had hoped to catch you "in the minute" and we could do the brick-wall-buildy thing, but I'm sad because that didn't happen.

I don't like the Gamma wagon. I think the frustration is genuine AND alignment indicative.

Well I'm here. And I'd really like to see your casewall. I've been townreading you, and I've been scumreading cakez. I think spin and charm are at least directionally aligned with my thoughts on cakez, but mine is not a strong case.

[Fermis Flames]

I'm not up for trying to follow your convolutions right now. I want to call it a night and I haven't even had dinner.

I'm about 2/3 way through my reread. Still not liking firebringer and still don't know why he's above your line. I'd like to understand that.

Then sleep and we can totes do this tomorrow. If you decide you want to talk FB today after all instead of sleep then so be it, let me know.

Just please keep townreading me enough to keep your vote on cakez. That shit is flipping scum, I am 100% calling my shot. Thanks in advance.

You're that confident? He sounds similar to me so far.

I am that fucking confident.

I can't explain it but it's the exact same feel I had on you in the fakegod game. Or midway in illicit.

If this is a "trust me" read that's enough for now, I guess. But if you want to talk about it I want to hear.

I want to go to bed, but it's not going to happen for a while.

Other topic of interest: Firebringer.

[Fermis Flames]

I'm town this time btw.

Probably.

- strange

[Fermis Flames]

im town too btw

wouldn't lie about a serious matter like that

-Nacho

Hi muffin.

[Fermis Flames]

im town too btw

wouldn't lie about a serious matter like that

-Nacho

Not even trying to sound like Nacho. Such cheek, muffin. I knew you guys were going to do a RBD.

~ strangelycharmingspin

[Fermis Flames]

Like I'm tired of having kickass day one scumreads and never getting it through because other shininess.

This is my

², Zanza, Bionis Aligned Odd-Night Ability Cop, was lynched Day 1.

You had to be beaten with an ugly stick to vote us. It was one of the lighter moments in that day 1!

~ strangelysquared

[Fermis Flames]

Like I'm tired of having kickass day one scumreads and never getting it through because other shininess.

This is my

², Zanza, Bionis Aligned Odd-Night Ability Cop, was lynched Day 1.

this is just a lie considering we got Taylo0r through in literally our last game together

This is a skeevy take. It was the right elim given lolmasonry, but his scumread was also dead-right.

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

Like I'm tired of having kickass day one scumreads and never getting it through because other shininess.

This is my

², Zanza, Bionis Aligned Odd-Night Ability Cop, was lynched Day 1.

You had to be beaten with an ugly stick to vote us. It was one of the lighter moments in that day 1!

~ strangelysquared

Yes. And now I have the goddamn stick.

So about that Firebringer talk.

Your certainty about Cakez makes Firebringer's fluffy Cakez defense a little less damning, maybe. But eww preflip associations. Do you think scum-Firebringer would behave this way around a Cakez wagon?

[Fermis Flames]

I was thinking along the lines of give

everyone

a pool of 2 or 3 to target in. Everyone meaning everyone.

Now this is more up my alleyway. I am thinking something similar to this, yes.

I have shudders of fear of Marketplace Mafia III whenever I think to hard about forcing the issue, though.

I’m still salty footstomps about that game.

[Fermis Flames]

Nora chooses weird things to comment on like they’re playing the lottery and responding to whatever post number comes out of the wheel.

[Fermis Flames]

Like I'm tired of having kickass day one scumreads and never getting it through because other shininess.

This is my

², Zanza, Bionis Aligned Odd-Night Ability Cop, was lynched Day 1.

this is just a lie considering we got Taylo0r through in literally our last game together

I wanted Bell. Bell was indeed scum. We got taylor instead which on one hand yay, but on the other, getting Bell would have been sweeter because he was a suicide bomber and taylor was a boring traitor that I'd have vigged N1 for the deathy instead.

Ok sure but both were your SRs

Like I'm tired of having kickass day one scumreads and never getting it through because other shininess.

This is my

², Zanza, Bionis Aligned Odd-Night Ability Cop, was lynched Day 1.

this is just a lie considering we got Taylo0r through in literally our last game together

This is a skeevy take. It was the right elim given lolmasonry, but his scumread was also dead-right.

~ strange

Ok sure if it's specifically eliming his top scum read day 1 then sure
But to say his SRs are not elimmed D1 is not true

He lifted not one finger to get Tayl0r elimed before we outed the Dethy. He had her in his elim pool, but she wasn't his priority.

Anyway, this is neither here nor there. The here and there are his scumread of you in this game.

[Fermis Flames]

My not be fair impression right now, but that was my impression of Nora’s earlier lists.

[Fermis Flames]

Like I'm tired of having kickass day one scumreads and never getting it through because other shininess.

This is my

², Zanza, Bionis Aligned Odd-Night Ability Cop, was lynched Day 1.

You had to be beaten with an ugly stick to vote us. It was one of the lighter moments in that day 1!

~ strangelysquared

Yes. And now I have the goddamn stick.

So about that Firebringer talk.

Your certainty about Cakez makes Firebringer's fluffy Cakez defense a little less damning, maybe. But eww preflip associations. Do you think scum-Firebringer would behave this way around a Cakez wagon?

No, I don't, and if you don't trust me to the nine regarding cakes, my firebringer read won't be enough for you, either.

I don't anticipate changing my vote. I don't owe you this the way I would if we were sharing a role PM, but I do townread you, do scumread SirCakez and I'm convinced

you're

to the nines on your cakez read.

That's the best I've got for you and I'm amazed I'm there less than 24 hours into this game, but here we are.

Firebringer's still giving me hives.

[Fermis Flames]

That's the best I've got for you and I'm amazed I'm there less than 24 hours into this game, but here we are.

Welcome to the 2020 edition of the arms race. Where we always draw fucking town and destroy scumfuckery day in day out?

It's like the cold war but then we made up and decided to launch all our nukes together at China.

Until we don't draw fucking town and you turn those nukes in the direction of my beautiful western shores, yes. Eternal vigilance.

There are questions I want to ask you but alas scumfuckery isn't destroyed.

time to foodtell

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

Im fairly caught up now.

cabd
*maria
firebringer
L4pe
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reagan

Can you talk about what you see as strong town in firebringer?

I hear some rumblings over my shoulder about hives.

[Fermis Flames]

This is Noname; she's not in the game.

[Fermis Flames]

leaf i dont think u usually hold much stock in my reads, but i am pretty sure cakez is town.
I hope u take this into consideration.

ty for ur time.

can you talk about why you're sure he's town?

[Fermis Flames]

can you talk about why you're sure he's town?

womens intuition

But can you elaborate some?

You complained my other heads weren't talking to you and when I try you're not helpful!

[Fermis Flames]

breakfast for dinner

Which is explicitly different than Breakfast with Stalin.

Ha!

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

Nacho if an when you ever get here and actually read my posts. Am I right in thinking that the setup of this game has some things in common with the setup of this game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... rium+titus

We or you rather had some thoughts on role interactions or what we should do or something that I'm vaguely recalling. Anyway what are your thoughts on the blade/driver stuff.

[Fermis Flames]

Nora’s earlier lists.

I haven't given any reads lists.

phone posting it was supposed to say posts.

[Fermis Flames]

hey fermis did u want to chat or did u just want to ask everyone else their opinions of me.

Your Cakez read trajectory looks so artificial I'm trying to figure which plastic bin to recycle it to.

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

Nacho if an when you ever get here and actually read my posts. Am I right in thinking that the setup of this game has some things in common with the setup of this game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... rium+titus

We or you rather had some thoughts on role interactions or what we should do or something that I'm vaguely recalling. Anyway what are your thoughts on the blade/driver stuff.

Am I going to have to read a game from 2015 to understand your thoughts?

The setup is finally starting to make sense to me, and as some things are starting to click into place, I remembered that game which had various visiting roles. Nacho and I hydrad in that game together and I think I remember him having some ideas about how we should be using those receiving and visiting roles, but all our ideas got shot down because titus was a great neighborizer or something and we never were able to get the original thought for how to use the roles into fruition.

I'm not sure the setup is entirely similar except for the visiting mechanic and I feel like I'm pushing back into a fog to try to understand this setup and how best to use the mechanics.

[Fermis Flames]

Whatever I can't talk to you right now
Not really much of a point sorting you anyways

What is your read of him?

Of the players on your wagon?

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

hey fermis did u want to chat or did u just want to ask everyone else their opinions of me.

I think you feel kinda sugary to me and i miss the old avatar.

The sugary isn't alignment indicative I don't think, and I don't think this head will have a comfortable read on you this early at all.

But hi!

[Fermis Flames]

hey fermis did u want to chat or did u just want to ask everyone else their opinions of me.

Your Cakez read trajectory looks so artificial I'm trying to figure which plastic bin to recycle it to.

~ strange

theres different plastic bins?
we only use one here!

She's from hippieland.

Was there some after breakfast discussion you want to have?

[Fermis Flames]

I feel you Fire

I think you feel less natural and comfortable than you did last game. Your early thing with Battle Mage? felt like you forcing a scum read.

Point a is the more concerning thing for me because I remember when syr and ffery both mentioned their thoughts on you my thought was that you felt comfortable and I really liked that. There were some niggles and late game you really only became a lynch target because SOMEBODY took scum out of the poe and you were my least townread of everyone who was left.

Point b is I don't know what to do with that. I'm not good at reading the early game because I can't really tell the difference between town trying to get things started and scum trying to look that way, so that pinged but I don't know what to do with it.

I'm personally a bit pinged by not feeling that sense of you feeling comfortable here, but it's not full-fledged scum read though.

What are your strongest reads?

[Fermis Flames]

I actually think I have some decently strong early reads weirdly enough.

noora is my strongest scum read.

[Fermis Flames]

Like we're all seeing this right?

Noraa is trying to dismantle the wagon on cakez to save him.


NORAAAAAAAAAAAAA you were supposed to be town and sheep to victory.

I see it, yeah.

grumble firebringer grumble.

[Fermis Flames]

VOTE: fermis flames

Sorta was thinking this too. At least I didn’t get the high tier TR from Cab on them

don't h8te

[Fermis Flames]

please don't lolhammer

[Fermis Flames]

I keep forgetting you don't know 20102 speak, midway, I'm sorry.

I'll let ffery explain what I mean for me.

I'm not feeling very explainy right now, but ok.

If enough people are scumreading Cakez on their own, and/or are willing to put some faith into Cabd's alignment and his meta credentials (or both), then he doesn't need to burn the tell. Because once burned it's never of use again.

I weigh up every time something like this happens whether I actually need the tell burned to go along. When I'm morphing, it's usually not even a consideration.

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

Who’s strange out of the trio of you?

strange=ffery
charm=tammy
spin=syr

Sorry I'm not doing a better job of signing my posts. I'm trying.


I hate signing my posts, but it's kinda necessary in a 3 headed abomination.

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

This game is insane. The wagon is garbage but everyones looking at it like its a hunk of gold. There is nothing to it except that Cabd suggested it. Everyones acting like Cabd's some hot shot expert soul reading scum hunter.

this is actually just stupid. I'm going back to hibernation.

He has his days! I am pretty sure this game day is one of them.

His reads were quicker and better than mine in our last 2 games. Sometimes you come out of retirement with hot jets.

[Fermis Flames]

Noraa... Come clean to me, lass. Are you trying to derail my cakez scumwagon?

I hate some of the votes on it. they are literal garbage.
Atm, im 70% convinced cake is just LHF so yes, you could say I'm trying to derail this wagon.

Strange is fferyllt, Bell. Tammy isn't signing. Syryana is Spin.

can you tell which posts are mine johnny?

[Fermis Flames]

Bell why did you want to know who strange is specifically?

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

can you tell which posts are mine johnny?

I’m not really struggling to differentiate you three, no. But if you’re asking me who made this intentionally vague post I suppose you’d have me there.

Wasn't intentional! I don't think I know you, but you seemed to be able to differentiate our posts, and I think while I've only managed to remember to sign one time, I think they've forgotten too. I guess I'm just a little impressed whenever people can differentiate heads when they don't know them.

~charm (that's two)

[Fermis Flames]

Bell why did you want to know who strange is specifically?

~ strange

I only ever saw strange posting. Because i’ve been skimming a bunch. There are large gaps from read to read to read.

@brian, don’t do that without at least poking Noraa

I was doing most of the posting during the first few hours and having a hell of a time keeping up. Charm's pretty active the last couple of hours.

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

Is there anyone who hasn’t posted yet? Just wondering.

depends on what you mean by posted. I'm hoping we see a real post from maybe catch up later tonight.

[Fermis Flames]

i like noraa

If you're town, I think you need to hit the reset button.

[Fermis Flames]

^ ~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

I speed-read and have done nothing but read this game since I got home. Gonna try to step away cuz I'm getting a headache.

I haven't read my other heads thoughts to completion yet, as I didn't have time to do that too, but right now where I'm at:

Town to varying degrees: Battle Mage (I just like his posting. Call me stupid but him telling everyone he's a blade in the way he has makes me chuckle and that's my weakness), Gamma (once he finally stopped arguing with BM I started feeling better about him.), Cabd, Flavor Leaf (this is probably actually premature, but I like his stuff so far. I don't feel completely inept at reading him, so he stays here until I start feeling uncomfortable), l4pe and unwnd (this one I'm slotting to see exactly how I feel about it being in this group. I've gone back and forth on a few of the reasonings for their posts, but right now I'm leaning towards me just not agreeing with their logic rather than they're scummy.)

most people are shades of null. I'm actually surprised I have that many people that I have in a townish pool! midway bear, bell, and brian might belong in that group as well but meh they're on positive levels of null.

both my other head feel pretty strong about cakez scum as far as I understand, and I kinda want to throw in with theirs and cabd's confidence on cakez but for me yeah he could flip scum but I'm not personally that confident. This could be because I'm still feeling guilty about last game when I had a little good thing to keep town reading him for and I didn't voice it even though last game was an attempted game throw anyway. BUT.

Think noraa is just scum.

[Fermis Flames]

~charm

sorry

[Fermis Flames]

That is town flames btw. Take it to the bank, deposit your life savings into their box, town.

There's an underlying joy of as green PM coming from all three heads, each in their own unique way. If they are somehow fudging three SEPARATE emotional town tells, I'll eat my hat and it's not edible.

I would love to read something like this when I'm scum! I'm sure I speak for the entire abomination.

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

i like noraa

If you're town, I think you need to hit the reset button.

didnt mean that as a townread

What is your read of Noraa?

[Fermis Flames]

Can you please unvote gamma?

[Fermis Flames]

There is literally no reason to put someone at l-1 8 hours into day one.

[Fermis Flames]

was agreeing with bell on nora but i think i have to 180 now

Why the flip?

[Fermis Flames]

was agreeing with bell on nora but i think i have to 180 now

Why the flip?

because of her last couple posts?

They didn't have that impact on me. But, you do you.

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

I am here following along but I am incredibly frustrated with how this game I was actually looking forward to has gone and I feel I am not being listened to at all so I'm not feeling particularly inclined to post more

You didn't respond to me

[Fermis Flames]

Dearest Cabd,

Our esteemed colleague Charm would very much like some time to sort nachomuffin before this game day ends.

Please take that under consideration,

Affectionately yours,

~ Strangely Altered Ego

[Fermis Flames]

I am here following along but I am incredibly frustrated with how this game I was actually looking forward to has gone and I feel I am not being listened to at all so I'm not feeling particularly inclined to post more

You didn't respond to me

yeah I saw your question but I feel like my posting goes in one ear out the other (esp because you guys are so close with Cabd and are hard SRing me) so why bother

But i will listen. I don't really know what my read is or how much sway i would have anyway.

But posting definitely doesn't go in one ear and out the other.

[Fermis Flames]

There will be no leashing of scum this game.

what is this supposed to mean? it almost comes off as a scum slip but I'm confused.

Brian means we're not going to leash scum, we're going to elim them.

~ strange

(yes I stomped right through a line of questioning. oh my)

[Fermis Flames]

VOTE: Cobra Kai

let's shake things up

I liked Cobra Kai's posts

i don't

Spin requests that you stop making bad posts. Particularly if you're town.

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

Dearest Cabd,

Our esteemed colleague Charm would very much like some time to sort nachomuffin before this game day ends.

Please take that under consideration,

Affectionately yours,

~ Strangely Altered Ego

What if I told you.... you don't have to worry about this. Or me.

Charm will be relieved.

I am concerned. What's going on?

[Fermis Flames]

Oh my.

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

Oh my.

~ strange

Oh your.

Oh to be a literate fly

[Fermis Flames]

prolly scum somewhere in that weird pool of people who aren't lurking but also aren't particularly active
people like (cobra, reagan bush, beeboy, Maria, MWNN)

beeboy is my back pocket scum read.

and reagan is trying to be a dark horse in the running.

[Fermis Flames]

[10] SirCakez (Cabd, midwaybear, Fermis Flames, ManWithNoName, MariaR, Bell, Battle Mage, unwnd, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald)

MWNN, Maria, BM, maybe unwnd??? (I have no read on him atm but I also misread him so badly last time we played together that I let myself be the D1 elim to save him AND HE WAS SCUM)

How do you feel about Dunnstral?

I can see maybe MWNN actually.

[Fermis Flames]

ok i'll bite. will regret this.

I feel you Fire

I think you feel less natural and comfortable than you did last game. Your early thing with Battle Mage? felt like you forcing a scum read.

Point a is the more concerning thing for me because I remember when syr and ffery both mentioned their thoughts on you my thought was that you felt comfortable and I really liked that. There were some niggles and late game you really only became a lynch target because SOMEBODY took scum out of the poe and you were my least townread of everyone who was left.

Point b is I don't know what to do with that. I'm not good at reading the early game because I can't really tell the difference between town trying to get things started and scum trying to look that way, so that pinged but I don't know what to do with it.

I'm personally a bit pinged by not feeling that sense of you feeling comfortable here, but it's not full-fledged scum read though.

What are your strongest reads?

honestly I don't have many strong reads here because I've been more focused on what people think of me then reading other people. so I haven't really developed anything strong. because when I did attempt scumhunting it just got crappy fast with BM and then Noraa
I still think BM is scummy. Noraa is still scummy and I'm not sure why she's defending me.
Cabd's tunnel on me is probably town as much I hate it but I'm just so fed up with him and I don't want to engage him more because I like him and don't want to get in a fight. but also I wish he would not be like this.
you guys are prolly town too. you all feel like you did in Smoke.
Bell feels better than he did in Smoke. less bullshit.
Brian Skies has also been better since he dropped those TRs early game. I like his engagement.
idk I'd have to reread others. just not really feeling motivated if I'm going to die here.

I'm sorry that the game has been unfun for you so far! It's not fun to be wagoned straight off the gate no matter your alignment, but especially if you're town. I remember how frustrated you got in smoke too when "confirmed town" was scumreading you without explanations or a care that you could be a miselim, and I kinda feel like that's affecting my ability to read you or feel confident in it rather. Sorry I know that's no help, and if you are town here and get miselimed again, I'll probably not be able to scum read you in the next game we play. That's no help either I know.

Your attack on BM for the reasons you did felt a little premature at the time. I don't disagree with anything else though.

[Fermis Flames]

but part of my role is probably quite good for leashing a scummy player

There will be no leashing of scum this game.

That’s not what I said. I said leashing a SCUMMY player. Not scum.

I know what you said.

Then you’re a scumfuck trying to avoid being chained. There will be something around your neck in due time, be it iron or rope.

Spin, I need that dayvig.

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

gamma townish read going plop plop

[Fermis Flames]

Spin, I need that dayvig.

~ strange

OI

Threatening my townreads can be hazardous to your health.

[Fermis Flames]

Good night sir!

[Fermis Flames]

I mean it's been publicly stated 2/3rds of the deathy (well, deathy minus jake) are with me here.

Both heads of morph are town, and we are syncing. Do you have ANY idea how fucking strong that is of a tell that we're on the right track?

Rider AND Alter Ego are syncing, as well.

"Nobody else is seeing it" is a stretch, midway.

Can this be translated please

both heads of morph: Cabd - ffery

Rider and Alter ego Syr - ffery

Pretty much just like Smoke Filled, I'm the linchpin in this self-made masonry.

This time, I'm not standing in any doors.

But god damn a couple other players are just flagrantly demanding to be elimed with fire.

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

Then you’re a scumfuck trying to avoid being chained. There will be something around your neck in due time, be it iron or rope.

Why would scum me prefer to be eliminated instead of chained?

The chain would be in addition to the elimination, and would accelerate your doom.

You have the power to derail the Cakez wagon. All it costs is your time in the game.

If you're town, think carefully.

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

Then you’re a scumfuck trying to avoid being chained. There will be something around your neck in due time, be it iron or rope.

Why would scum me prefer to be eliminated instead of chained?

The chain would be in addition to the elimination, and would accelerate your doom.

You have the power to derail the Cakez wagon. All it costs is your time in the game.

If you're town, think carefully.

~ strange

Why are you appealing to me like this, I don’t wanna derail the Cakez wagon, unless I think I can leash him
Me dying means that doesn’t get to happen

I'm telling you that your continuing to threaten Brian Skies is seriously increasing my urge to elim you.

[Fermis Flames]

27 minutes.

Is gamma even the type to fake claim like this so early as scum?

Do you think it's a fake claim?

[Fermis Flames]

I don't think it's a fake claim either. That's why I'm so pissed off at him swinging it at a townread.

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

silly reason to scumread her for though.

She didn't really fake a PR when asked her response was a big red x

[Fermis Flames]

Buh bye.

Still support cakez wagon.

<3

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

l4pe is scum btw

Hottake!

What don’t you like about them?

[Fermis Flames]

tammy are you familiar with the game we are playing at all because i am not and could really use your help in figuring out wtf is going on

unfortunately my hydra partner kind of sucks so i'm hoping maybe that we could be friends and you can tell me thoughts and i can pretend they are my ideas all along so that he thinks that i'm bringing something to the table in this partnership

I spent the entire day today reading it if that's what you're asking.

If you're asking about setup, I'm just starting to wrap my head around the setup and how roles work and such. I posted a message at you earlier to see if you thought that some of the mechanics were somewhat similar to this game https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=64547

I'm having a vague recollection of the mechanics of visitation and thought you might have ideas.

your hydra partners attempts to impersonate you suck.

[Fermis Flames]

Tentative townread to the muffin head of that hydra.

Nacho head.

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

Tentative townread to the muffin head of that hydra.

Nacho head.

~ strange

I know Nacho made that post, but based on the contents of it, I'm townreading the Muffin head.

I don't understand

[Fermis Flames]

Tentative townread to the muffin head of that hydra.

you meant to townread Nacho.
i forgive you this once because you haven't been blessed with all this greatness in a SUPER long time but you only get one.

I'm in the enviable position of not having to stress about trying to read you!

~ strange

[Fermis Flames]

I speed-read and have done nothing but read this game since I got home. Gonna try to step away cuz I'm getting a headache.

I haven't read my other heads thoughts to completion yet, as I didn't have time to do that too, but right now where I'm at:

Town to varying degrees: Battle Mage (I just like his posting. Call me stupid but him telling everyone he's a blade in the way he has makes me chuckle and that's my weakness), Gamma (once he finally stopped arguing with BM I started feeling better about him.), Cabd, Flavor Leaf (this is probably actually premature, but I like his stuff so far. I don't feel completely inept at reading him, so he stays here until I start feeling uncomfortable), l4pe and unwnd (this one I'm slotting to see exactly how I feel about it being in this group. I've gone back and forth on a few of the reasonings for their posts, but right now I'm leaning towards me just not agreeing with their logic rather than they're scummy.)

most people are shades of null. I'm actually surprised I have that many people that I have in a townish pool! midway bear, bell, and brian might belong in that group as well but meh they're on positive levels of null.

both my other head feel pretty strong about cakez scum as far as I understand, and I kinda want to throw in with theirs and cabd's confidence on cakez but for me yeah he could flip scum but I'm not personally that confident. This could be because I'm still feeling guilty about last game when I had a little good thing to keep town reading him for and I didn't voice it even though last game was an attempted game throw anyway. BUT.

Think noraa is just scum.

My first impression knee jerk reads are here. Kinda surprised at myself to have early town reads! Hopefully they're not terrible.

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Also cabd et al are trying to get a day one lynch to happen like now now now.

Think cakez is sitting at l-1

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OH is it because muffin was signing his posts nacho which means that nacho posting is "muffin"?

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Ah I thought you were making a joke.

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Not that the town read was the joke but the muffin read in nacho's posts was a joke.

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I'm not trying to hurt your feelings at all. I just feel town Muffin oozing from these posts, even though he's not even the one making them.

Yeah, I can see this. Not that I'd totally buy into it if I had to make this read by myself. I've been burnt way too many times and all my nacho meta is long outdated.

I get to depend on Tammy and Cabd (and Syr, but I think he might be in the same boat with me) for this read. I'm going to sleep easy tonight. No scary dreams.

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Tentative townread to the muffin head of that hydra.

you meant to townread Nacho.
i forgive you this once because you haven't been blessed with all this greatness in a SUPER long time but you only get one.

I'm in the enviable position of not having to stress about trying to read you!

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while i'm still a bit disappointed i didn't manage to roll scum i am relieved that you are town because rolling town with you scum here would have been my own personal brand of hell.

Uh. this is ffery.

~ strange

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Tentative townread to the muffin head of that hydra.

you meant to townread Nacho.
i forgive you this once because you haven't been blessed with all this greatness in a SUPER long time but you only get one.

I'm in the enviable position of not having to stress about trying to read you!

~ strange

while i'm still a bit disappointed i didn't manage to roll scum i am relieved that you are town because rolling town with you scum here would have been my own personal brand of hell.

Uh. this is ffery.

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ok i'm gonna pretend i didn't fuck that up

I mean, I'd love to be that scary as scum, but it is what it is.

~ strange

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Tentative townread to the muffin head of that hydra.

you meant to townread Nacho.
i forgive you this once because you haven't been blessed with all this greatness in a SUPER long time but you only get one.

I'm in the enviable position of not having to stress about trying to read you!

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while i'm still a bit disappointed i didn't manage to roll scum i am relieved that you are town because rolling town with you scum here would have been my own personal brand of hell.

Uh. this is ffery.

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ok i'm gonna pretend i didn't fuck that up

lol I was like maybe he realizes that's ffery because I'm less likely to make the comment about feeling no stress about having to read him, but yeah lol

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i thought you didn't have to stress about reading me because i was so town but i was also a little full of myself at that moment

good think the world knows how to check that ego amirite

you wouldn't be concerned?

The only times I go hard town read on you this early were what westeros games (rip) and when I'm scum?

Thought you'd be paranoid if you actually thought that was me.

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Okay so nacho your idea in that game at least at first was to have two people of each type of sensors and receivers claim, but in that game we knew what the other roles were I think whereas here it's just special and we don't know what that power is. So maybe not as similar as I thought except insofar as sensors and receivers being similar to drivers and blades.

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Reagan I still disagree about midway, It's pure gut but something don't seem right. You make agreeable posts but I don't see your tenacity yet so I hesitate to townread you.
I think if Firebringer were town even if his shitposting would be more effective, pause for thought
Fermis is a constant presence but I find myself not really reading them, but something tells me they're alright
Dunn made two calls of provocation and everyone ignored it, why
Catching up doesn't ping me despite his posts up until now being mostly the joke
Sort Flavor Leaf now rather than later that is all I ask thanks

Gullotina/l4pe/ManWithNoName/Cobra Kai are all the same to me. I wouldn't doubt some scum being in there.

Huh that wasn't so bad

midway's out of his scumrange and really trying to figure things out, way he interacted with the cakez wagon showed legit concernat trying to figure out if it was a read people believed in or were just sheeping. this will be forgotten when he gets bored of the game on day 3.

i get the impression flavor leaf isn't easy to sort so i don't know how you're expecting to do it on day 1

i think guillotina is likely town for reasons not worth getting into right now

If you're town he can be town, I don't think you'd reach out this far a mate

You mean midway can be town?

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i thought you didn't have to stress about reading me because i was so town but i was also a little full of myself at that moment

good think the world knows how to check that ego amirite

you wouldn't be concerned?

The only times I go hard town read on you this early were what westeros games (rip) and when I'm scum?

Thought you'd be paranoid if you actually thought that was me.

i hesitated for a moment because it seemed strange for you to form THAT confident of a read on me and THIS early no less but i felt good about my early posting and you recognizing it made me feel good inside so i didn't question it as much as i clearly should have

Just to be clear, I've not formed a confident read on you. I'm outsourcing the job to Tammy and Cabd.

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i thought you didn't have to stress about reading me because i was so town but i was also a little full of myself at that moment

good think the world knows how to check that ego amirite

you wouldn't be concerned?

The only times I go hard town read on you this early were what westeros games (rip) and when I'm scum?

Thought you'd be paranoid if you actually thought that was me.

i hesitated for a moment because it seemed strange for you to form THAT confident of a read on me and THIS early no less but i felt good about my early posting and you recognizing it made me feel good inside so i didn't question it as much as i clearly should have

I do like your posting! But I'm nowhere near not gonna stress about it levels.

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<3

<3

<3

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i thought you didn't have to stress about reading me because i was so town but i was also a little full of myself at that moment

good think the world knows how to check that ego amirite

you wouldn't be concerned?

The only times I go hard town read on you this early were what westeros games (rip) and when I'm scum?

Thought you'd be paranoid if you actually thought that was me.

i hesitated for a moment because it seemed strange for you to form THAT confident of a read on me and THIS early no less but i felt good about my early posting and you recognizing it made me feel good inside so i didn't question it as much as i clearly should have

Just to be clear, I've not formed a confident read on you. I'm outsourcing the job to Tammy and Cabd.

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but if tammy made that post then it would be a townread - she wouldn't have to read me anymore because she already stared into my soul and saw my green townie soul insides looking back

If it's any consolation, I'm already feeling like I'm gonna have to get off my lazy butt and actually form a read.

This isn't my turn on the dance floor, so Ima go stand against the wall and watch.

~ strange

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I've been looking back over l4pe and mostly I just think his posts look fine but I think that the 383 where he mentions a healthy amount of self awareness and doesn't use it to scum read someone is what I particularly liked. Probably stupid reasoning thinking back on it but scum so often use self awareness to try to scum read someone for and here it's being used to describe someone as a town read. I guess they could just be making stuff up though.

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389 rather

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I'm tired sorry.

Why do you think cakez is town?

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As long as they're not a toxic presence, I don't care how spammy they are. Unless it looks like the spamminess is being used to drown the game out in apathy because they're scum.

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I'm tired sorry.

Why do you think cakez is town?

mostly gut but this:

Cabd's tunnel on me is probably town as much I hate it but I'm just so fed up with him and I don't want to engage him more because I like him and don't want to get in a fight. but also I wish he would not be like this.

i also think that he deserves a bit of breathing room based on that and that alone. i don't know if cakez has changed a bunch since i've been gone but he's not really the type to get razzled very easily but i think this is fairly obviously real emotion.

if it's a case where we are correct and he's scum just trying to make cabd good on him but this isn't someone that you push a lynch through on in 24 hours - it's disrespectful to him as a person and a player.

yeah I agree but you know the motto around here is lynch first, lynch fast, no mercy sir!

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FYI to all townies:

I speed-read

i'm a day lie detector role and this came up as a LIE

nothing has to happen with it immediately, just keep it on the backburner folks

Why'd you have to pick that post? The one lie in our entire iso. :/

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hey 6 hours and 45 pages is speed reading for me.

I expect praise at my speed reading abilities and for me having some town reads already!

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I feel like it is apathy inducing regardless of his alignment
He also has a habit of tunneling town and being way too sure about wrong reads. But honestly that was not the behavior I was trying to curb initially, I just threw that on as an “oh yeah this is also not good”.

I haven't felt apathy induced! But I mean yeah, fast games by their nature are going to do that and most people will feel it from time to time. Having bad reads and confirmation bias sometimes isn't a reason to eliminate someone, and this seems really personal to you.

I'm trying to say something here but I'm tired and having trouble wording. I think you should ignore things to do with him right now and let the game sort itself out where that's concerned. Seems like you two will kinda bring the fire at each other and get kinda triggered, which is fine for an early game thing but the more it happens it can cause apathy in the game.

I do see and understand the point you brought up regarding l4pe though.

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i'm fucking exhausted so i'm probably done for the day unless someone wants to take the rare opportunity for a nacho sighting to run something past me

I didn't answer your question.

I didn't like Cakez entrance into the game. I didn't like his early to mid timeframe reactions to pressure. I didn't like what he picked at when reacting to some of Cabd's post. for example, the one where Cabd lamented not getting his elim choice over the dethy's in the smoke filled game. I get where you're coming from with regard to the speed and disrespect and I agree. However I'm very concerned that if we let this wagon fade too far it won't be rebuildable.

I think you owe it to Cabd to talk about why he's so strongly thinks Cakez is scum.

~ strange

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oh except real quick

tammy i read through noraa

i don't really agree with your scumread there - the sum total of her posting is 4 parts complaining and 1 part messing around and i think if she was scum she might make more of an effort to cultivate an image.

this was a hard core skim though that i'll try to revisit later maybe but the attitude is too bad for me to be mad, you dig?

twtbaw?

i still scumread her but not as strongly as I did when I first made that post. But I'll try to word this better later.

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<3

I feel good about this being a strong day 1 for town.

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Cake... reads of these four slots in particular, humor me....


Midwaybears
Nachomuffin (Catch up)
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Firebringer

Other people are welcome to opine on this list plus cakes.

Fucking hives.

~ strange

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About who? Cabd?

I'll answer this in a bit.

~ strange

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About who? Cabd?

Being on the list wasn't a problem.

My point registered.

Now I observe.

~ strange

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Cake... reads of these four slots in particular, humor me....


Midwaybears
Nachomuffin (Catch up)
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Firebringer

Other people are welcome to opine on this list plus cakes.

Fucking hives.

~ strange

Hives are a common allergic reaction, I would suggest some Benadryl.

Your game content ratio is troubling.

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I might have missed it but where are you guys (either just you or collectively) at with Flavor Leaf?

spin got townvibes from Flavor Leaf's game entrance posts. Charm I think has him above the null line. I'm not forming an opinion yet.

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Do you hard scumread Cakez Fermi?

We're in thoughts assembly mode regarding overnight posting, particularly regarding Cakez. All heads won't be able to sit at the council table until a little later today.

I scumread Cakez. I think Charm has him null, and spin, who also scumread Cakez yesterday, wants to catch up and cogitate.

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and besides, with regard to antitown behavior, i think lld is actually worse than gamma or bm in that regard

Elaborate?

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I wish LLD would come talk to us

mood

VOTE: lady lambdadelta

this person is now my favorite person in this game
sorry cakez ur now no 2.

I thought

I

was your favorite person!

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Hey Noraa what is your read on cakez?

Does it bother you that he's trying to get a wagon on you?

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Yeah Noraa's still scum.

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my BM vote is really stale and not going anywhere
VOTE: Noraa
I'd like to try this
her pop-ins yesterday were so bad
seems like she's not even trying, just complaining
which does not make for a town Noraa

You have things reversed the about what town and scum Noraa probably does

Which alignment would you say is a Noraa who has jumped at everyone else's push on her as being bad but completely ignores the cakez push (who is the biggest wagon and would be trying to find a counter wagon as scum?)

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Hey Noraa what is your read on cakez?

Does it bother you that he's trying to get a wagon on you?

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A vote for something this small? mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
the post is scummy because "cabd we could all easily be wrong" is directed at the hot shot scum hunter, "we" puts emphasis that he *has* to be town, "easily wrong" is a great way to backtrack before the flip even happens

VOTE: Noraa

Fucking fite me, Cabdmuffincho.

-spin

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Which alignment would you say is a Noraa who has jumped at everyone else's push on her as being bad but completely ignores the cakez push (who is the biggest wagon and would be trying to find a counter wagon as scum?)

town flailing looks like that too lol.

When I'm town and the biggest wagon, I push the next biggest wagon/wagon with most potential especially if I'm a pr. If I'm a vt, it depends.

You are the largest wagon.

I'm pointing out that you've jumped at everyone who's voted you but ignored cakez. You've ignored giving an actual read on cakez and instead are just ranting about no case. You ignored the he's trying to get a wagon on you, which should make you suspicious quite frankly. And your reasoning for your flavor wagon in part presumes a scum read on cakez (and I think that the suspicion you should be drawing there is that flavor is trying to tie you to cakez in that case, not that he's trying to distract from a wagon on scum which I'm pretty sure he supports.)

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Which alignment would you say is a Noraa who has jumped at everyone else's push on her as being bad but completely ignores the cakez push (who is the biggest wagon and would be trying to find a counter wagon as scum?)

town flailing looks like that too lol.

When I'm town and the biggest wagon, I push the next biggest wagon/wagon with most potential especially if I'm a pr. If I'm a vt, it depends.

You are the largest wagon.

I'm pointing out that you've jumped at everyone who's voted you but ignored cakez. You've ignored giving an actual read on cakez and instead are just ranting about no case. You ignored the he's trying to get a wagon on you, which should make you suspicious quite frankly. And your reasoning for your flavor wagon in part presumes a scum read on cakez (and I think that the suspicion you should be drawing there is that flavor is trying to tie you to cakez in that case, not that he's trying to distract from a wagon on scum which I'm pretty sure he supports.)

You aren't the largest wagon I mean.

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Hey Noraa what is your read on cakez?

Does it bother you that he's trying to get a wagon on you?

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Uh huh ok so?

So, you look very much like scum.

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Nora and Cakez need to stop obv scum theatring right now, though

I can be convinced Noraa first if I absolutely must, but there is 100% one scum in those five names and it's goddamn IMPORTANT that we get rid of that one sooner over later.

I'm not going to fight over our vote right now. How did you go about selecting those 4 names to ask Cakez about? 100% within those 5 names doesn't seem to translate to percentages on any other player.

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Role.

Related.

Reasons.

Those five names are not randomly selected.

The quarkhivemind just exploded. Thanks?

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Ffferysyrmy-

I genuinely think it could be a case of "Both" here.

I want cake first. I am tired of my really strong gutreads being written off and going nowhere. I will begrudgingly swallow that vinegar and settle for Noraa first but on the condition that we quickwagon cake tomorrow if/when noraaaaaaaaaaaa flips red.

It's very clear that cakes isn't posing any threat to Noraa in noraa's mind. It's very clear that Noraa was looking for an easy exit off the cake wagon.

Two plus two is sometimes actually just fucking four.

Role.

Related.

Reasons.

Those five names are not randomly selected.

i don't really believe you

deja vu?

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Oh I forgot I was going to reply to that cabd post before I got distracted.

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Another dethy, huh.

Narrows things down a bit.

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Ffferysyrmy-

I genuinely think it could be a case of "Both" here.

I want cake first. I am tired of my really strong gutreads being written off and going nowhere. I will begrudgingly swallow that vinegar and settle for Noraa first but on the condition that we quickwagon cake tomorrow if/when noraaaaaaaaaaaa flips red.

It's very clear that cakes isn't posing any threat to Noraa in noraa's mind. It's very clear that Noraa was looking for an easy exit off the cake wagon.

Two plus two is sometimes actually just fucking four.

I think Cakez has been at best underwhelming. His entrance sucked ass. His content today hasn't been much better. Noraa's actively scumtelling atm though and I'm not sitting here and letting her.

Why should I yeet Cakez first?

two hot shot scum hunters back at it again. continue ur fanfic session. I won't interrupt.

The way you're acting, you're going to die. You might die today. If you don't, you're going to die tomorrow. If, on the weird off chance you are town, get your head out of your ass and start talking to us.

Now can the snark or I'll elim you to make a point.

Cabd. I'm here for a bit. You wanna talk? Let's talk.

-spin

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Not a deathy... Otherwise I'd be in that list of five names folks. Try again.

That wasn't my gist.

Also, yeah dethy in the middle of these mechanics would be fucking insane.

etc regarding pedit posts

~ strange