Micro 983 | The Council: Student Council Edition! | The End!

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Ego, infinity and I are Masons

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The troll posts don't hit the same with this Avi

On phone so too lazy to tag, but consider me as an rvs for koba and heals on infinity, swizzle and idk gamma

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ego, as in I want this post to show up in my list of posts

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HEAL: swizzle pop
HEAL: infinity
HEAL: murdercat
VOTE: Koba

I think you can vote for yourself, so screw gamma

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Why hasn't tayl0r scum claimed yet?

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resistance game

This is a pretty interesting idea, if we can all agree on one townie we can let them pick the council with input

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no you didn't because that was still my townrange..

As scum I absolutely deviate from my meta to exclude things people call me scummy for even though it literally introduces tells

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ok UNVOTE: lets determine our trio and then vote then.

dont want any accidental lims

Yup UNVOTE: koba

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@swizzle + murdercat any reason yall have the same list?

Tis a good list

I think those were the only 3 people to have posted at the time

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so if i'm understanding correctly, the proposed plan is to each suggest three names and then collectively decide who is towniest and run with their possibly adjusted list?

I think this is reasonable

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probably don't want to accidentally hammer the council either so using placeholders for HEAL: seems wise

I have a feeling we will be able to consistently get 2 townies into the council, but really we need 3 otherwise the abilities are useless

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Well we could vote for 1 person at a time? Then once one person gets hammered we use that to guide us?

HEAL: infinity
HURT: murdercat
HURT: swizzle

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though keeping track of this seems difficult. hm.

It'll be in the isos for later.

HEAL: infinity

koba

swizzle

I don't think you should be able to vote for yourself as mission leader but obviously you should 100% of the time put yourself on the council.

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Looks like hurt tags are legit for un-nominating peeps

I don't know if that's actually true, but I figured it made sense enough

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But then everyone will do that right?
Maybe you can be allowed to hammer yourself as leader?

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Well I guess I'll just skip past the part where we vote for ourselves with my vote

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so it should really be two names in addition to one's own.

Isn't this the same as voting for the council directly?
I thought we were picking a single mission leader who would then figure out who to bring along.

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Ok makes sense

HEAL: infinity

murdercat

koba

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like murdercat draws attention to taylor trolling but then also trolls

I think this will be a pattern

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Like that might even be go in my sig worth

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Yeah it's worth a watch

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@Kanna

Will you still keep track of single votes for us?
i.e. If I vote for Infinity and infinity alone, will it still be reflected on the VC, even if he could have 8 votes and no one else has 5? Or is it a requirement to vote for 3 at once?
Also, do HURT: tags work for unhealing?

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Cool so we stick with the mission leader plan and can vote accordingly. They won't get hammered but that's fine, we can all switch to their proposed council once we choose them.

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pings from OutWorld, what do you think Infinity?
For some reason Kanna didn't give us our own PT

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I think I'd be willing to bet 1 is scum

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I need to look at Gamma's early game from 2170, I think 120 could be fake but I noticed it to so /shrug
I will say I doubt I'd be able to find scum gamma in 150 posts

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Ok you know what?
Calling it right now Gamma is 100% confirmed scum

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Really?

Yeah I don't buy that, it could just as easily be covering for a scum partner or remaining consistent with town meta

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If we hammer before a council is formed we lose it, so even E-1 could lead to a self hammer and no track/protect. Not that I'm that worried about it but we do have to do the council first

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Town or scum? Not sure I follow

My thoughts were, yeah I kind of noticed that (i.e. tracy) but decided it wasn't anything real, but maybe it's the sort of thing scum would pick up on as something to point out.

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Disagree

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OWER kinda is limbait

Disagree with this

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MC i literally had people trying to lim me when I was a claimed IC

as much as I hate to admit I'm absolutely limbait.

Lol well maybe you are lim bait then after all but I thought you were town

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thank you!

This is my favorite placeholder

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still no trajectory behind this Infinity TR that you supposedly have

You should read open 796, there is also other ongoing game context I obviously can't discuss. Point is that infinity and I have a history

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-tay

Taylor could be scum here but maybe her play is a bit different in a hydra

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a lot of people have at least played with town!me before, and I’m likely to be obvtown this game

Yeah I think infinity is town lol

I've literally said this exact thing before

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I was speaking in a more general sense. But you could say that as scum just because it's something you would say as town, is my point

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I've been skimming but why?

Because I got called out

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Tiny soul read but Murder understands how powerful my soul reads can be, no?

Depends on who

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I think this is town Noraa honestly

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Ok makes sense

HEAL: infinity

murdercat

koba

HEAL: infinity

murdercat

swizzle pop

I think I trust infinity's reads more than Noraa's but I think she is town

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Hey you are gunna get detention if you act like that

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@Kanna requesting a 1 day post restriction for Noraa (taylor is fine)

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No come back I'm sorry you can be president of the council

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im seeing 2 distinct competing universes/parties form here

Me too

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How

Flea said they thought I couldn't find a real SR on you within 150 posts.

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u didnt understand the plan thats why you are only able to make that reductionist take on it

This is a random quote but I am feeling Koba town. Or at least Koba is coming across pretty townie to me, but maybe I'm bad

I agree gamma seems kinda off but maybe that's just normal gamma. I should reread my games with him still

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@MC - after that last game, I'd consider you the expert on Nora at this point anyway

I think that title belongs to Shelly

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It's is temporally relevant, that's all

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The wording bugs me tho

I'm messing around but it's weird you are so defensive about it

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The vibe's really off.

How much have you played with koba?

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Murder, thoughts on this?

It's weak I think. But I see where you are coming from. I'm more partial to the opinion that scum wouldn't hard TR Noraa because, looking at the player list, her + taylor is a place to potentially park a vote.

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I like that response, I think as scum you wouldn’t be sure whether to mind meld or keep pushing on your previous read.

Are you worried I'm scum because you scum read me in death curse, even though I was town

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Ha it's because I didn't have to do anything to start the game

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Fair

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I mean I like to wagon for pressure too but I don't really see why it matters one way or the other

I think I have enough town reads that I feel comfortable getting 2 other townies in with me. I feel reasonably good for getting 3 that don't include me.

I also don't think we should really stress about the council, but maybe I am over confident about my ability to win in 7:2 mountainous

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I think I would bring you and Noraa right now, with Infinity as a close third. Despite my comically overstated read I do think he is town.

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Oh shit, can Noraa stay in this game?

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You SR Noraa?

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no?? i scumread infinity

Oh I see. Well infinity is in 3rd place

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Lol Noraa you should learn to read the setups you join

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OK I'm happy to put Tracy, MC and Gamma on a council rn.

This list feels weird to me. Can I get some of the thought process here?

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Is flea scum with Tracy or gamma?

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Do it Noraa, let's case flea

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Flea post more stuff

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Let's not dirty this thread with that shit

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also flea seems ok but there's like this weird thing that i cant put my finger on about them. Like i dont tr them but i also dont sr them?

Is this what you are referring to infinity? I caught it, if it is

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Eh I'm inclined to think that post was worse but maybe you are right. I'm willing to entertain the idea of a flea/koba team with gamma town.

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Friendship with koba ended

Now infinity is best friend

Noraa infinity murdercat council back on

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I think that is a fair description

I might be a bit worn down from death curse, or maybe I just haven't had to work this game

Anyway you will get your soul read eventually, I just need something to click for me this game

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Let's not dirty this thread with that shit

I think both of you should drop it, go talk about it in the speakeasy thread

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I will give you a chance, but I think you’re just scum

You wouldn't catch me this fast if I were scum

I'd be more careful about playing to my meta

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Who to trust?

Probably still infinity

I should probably do some actual work so that infinity knows I'm town now huh

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:/

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Hello, I don't think I've played with either of you, but I am looking forward to it!

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Maybe you can read them both together though

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MURDERCAT - I think when we get more flips (especially on slots like infinity and gamma), this slot will just be super readable.

I tend to obv town more later in the game as I have more of a fitting to actually find scum. Sometimes I do it on day 1 anyway but I am usually wrong

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Gamma Emerald - I actually really think his content is fine. I genuinely just don't see the problem with it.

This text reads like it is going to lead to a null read, but he is town for you. Any posts you liked in particular?

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Infinity 324 - I could actually see myself making an arguement for this slot being any alignment so I might take another look after I sleep. I mostly do agree with koba's comments on the slot when I read them but I can see a town!infinity sorting the slot and coming to the conclusions that they came to. I honestly just need to re-read the slot with a clear mind honestly. That or just sheep whatever conculsion Taly comes to so I don't have to

This also doesn't seem consistent with what looks like an SR. What was your unclear mind seeing that made you nervous?

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it's not leading into a null read I think its town.
I don't see anything thats wrong with Gamma tbh. Like I just don't. What do you think makes Gamma look suspect?

Nothing in particular, I was just surprised to see a TR based on that explanation

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tracy flick, norra, gamma
Murdercat
Infinity, Uncrowned, OutWorld, Flea

So infinity is less likely to be town, no? An I missing something? Out are you referring to the order of the reads, in which case, what is this list?

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Yeah I mean that makes sense to me

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I mean, I saw that you thought Gamma looked suspect while I was reading. Where's your head at when it comes to that and how did you reach that conclusion?

Mostly I was messing around, but I think gamma can come off a little strangely at times. If I care to push it maybe I'll post quotes later, but I don't really have a hard SR on him or anything

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This was after 423, where do you find scum motivation with Flea's council?

It includes me but not my TRs

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Right now is Noraa and infinity

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Wait what
Why would we need god tier acting skills to convince you that we’re town?
Hell, why should we even care about convincing you we’re town?
We are town and town shouldn’t need god tier acting skills to convince other people they’re town. It should just come across naturally.

How much have you played with Noraa before?

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nope never

This is kind of a noraaism I think

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I don't know, that just reads like a normal Noraa post to me
There is sometimes some decoding involved, Infinity gets it

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Murder do u still think flea is scum? have u caught onto what I have?

Maybe and no I have no idea what you are referring to, it was very vague lol

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Purple something/Flea scum team.

Hey didn't I already say that

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Nope I didn't

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Hasn't changed much from gamestart, eh?

I am still TRing the people who I happened to pick at the start of the game. Noraa is a strong TR.

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My only mafia impression of Noraa is vague and I can't detail that here because of site rules, so I'm assuming your townread on Noraa is based in meta.

Enlighten me on what a town-noraa looks like.

I guess? It's more just that Noraa is someone who will always come off as kinda scummy if you don't know her. Town Noraa comes off as a bit more relaxed I think, but I won't underestimate her scum range.

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I don't buy into MC's reasoning 498 about the Flea's council coming from scum because it assumes that Flea is scum based on a difference of reads rather than an outline on why Noraa/Murdercat/Infinity/Flea/Tracy/Gamma cannot be all town. (Even though scum existing here is a valid assumption because this is 2/3rd's the plist, it's not sound because it's possible.)

I don't think this a good representation of my feeling, but maybe I didn't explain myself well

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It read to me like you were trying to look town by being incredulous at the suggestion that you had to act.

yeah reaction was over the top and F A K E (imo)

Agree

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I think the biggest difference between town!noraa and scum!noraa is I feel like scum!noraa will want to paint our slot scummy using whatever means possible

What makes you think that? I think very strong reads are town indicative for Noraa

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I need to magic me up some popcorn this is amusing <3

Super curious what tell I've supposedly given up ^_^ one for postgame I guess.

Hey murdercat, Gamma still in your solve

I don't have a solve yet lol

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Murder what are your thoughts on the last few pages?

I'm not nearly as convinced about purple as Noraa is but I feel ok about you and her being town

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Which one do you think Noraa is right now? Do you think she has valid concerns or do you think she's just trying to force the read?

I disagree with the premise of the question. I think this is town Noraa thinking she caught scum. Off the top of my head I can think of three examples where Noraa acted like this. She was right for one of them

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How am I supposed to identify that? To me it seems like noraa is just forcing down a read and refusing to listen to anything that might prove that she's wrong.

Also no offense, but how am I supposed to trust your meta on noraa? What if you 2 are both scum covering for each other?

That is my experience with town Noraa

Here's some examples:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12210382
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12244604
(There isn't a great example tunnel post for this one, but this was through her own result that was semiclearing)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12221661
(It was clearly not echo and I was saying so in the dead thread)

Not that I really expect you to be convinced by meta anyway

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Kinda leaning back towards town here Noraa

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I am very surprised by that if I'm being honest

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Why are you suspicious of Murder?

He’s a lot less proactive than when I played with him as town before, and it feels like he’s trying to buddy me (whereas normally when we’re both town, it’s the other way around lol)

I think I probably won't be able to find you if you are scum so i decided to just act as if you are town. It gives me a starting point for the day at least

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I'll reread the game soon

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Do you believe that if Infinity is town he will draw a nightkill?

Tonight or ever? Also in the current gamestate or is he capable of it?

I don't think infinity would draw a N1 kill at the moment. But it depends on who scum is, they might respect him. If I were scum I would kill him. I think I am perhaps town read enough to draw a night kill, but probably not respected enough as a scum finder to get shot tonight.

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btw MCat if you're ever interested in hydraing with me I have a stellar name for us

hit me with it

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- people who I feel like are easier to sort as we get deeper into the game.

If infinity is scum I will catch him, I don't doubt that at all

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Nope!

But I would also say I haven't not done it!

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bruh

I'm locktowning MCat until further notice

I am truly elite at this game

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btw I think I become a lot more interested in flipping murder if noraa flips red.

I am confident enough in my read that this doesn't worry me, fwiw
Though if I ever rolled scum with Noraa I'd prolly bus her the whole game

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I think the whole scum team is just in {uncrowned, purple, flea}

>immedietly SR's and attacks the people who point out she's playing badly and town shouldn't do this

yep, this is noraa's town game

lol

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Murder - never know what u can trust ; medium scum bucket

No no no

You've literally never played scum with me why is it always this

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Angry Noraa is more likely to be scum actually so I suddenly feel the read weakening

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there really is no one in this world that can read me

Well chill out or you are gunna get detention again

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Angry Noraa is more likely to be scum actually so I suddenly feel the read weakening

She was angry in haunted village too though.

Yeah it's not impossible for town Noraa just less likely I think

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Im considering throwing the day 4 IC in(sorry I'm having a brain fart; can't remember ur name)

lol Noraa

I think this is good, I feel like we are finding townies

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I think noraa is scum but I don’t even want to say the reason cause it makes me feel bad

share please

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I don't believe after death curse that Noraa would ever be in a game she wasn't 100% committed to.

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Okay seriously WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED IN DEATH CURSE??

You really have to read all 400 pages to really appreciate it

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noooope
That’s never happening.

I had some funny jokes though

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I’m not gonna read 400 pages for some jokes

Nah they were like really pretty funny

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post your best meme right now flareon

I'm more of a witty in the moment poster
Or at least I like to think so

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Murder you still haven’t gone into solvy-flareon mode and that makes me sad.

I know I said I would reread though

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What felt strange for you, MCat?

I will remember to address this

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Still town Noraa I think

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i kinda think so too but i have to squint pretty hard to see the pattern here

Oh yeah I don't buy the flea thing or at least I'm not as convinced as Noraa. But that's one of those things where you always trust it more than others if you are the person who found it.

But In 400 pages of interacting with scum Noraa there was nothing that approached this level of scum hunting that I can remember

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ur sure love doing 180's on me.

I'm really not, it's just the strength of TR that is changing

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Me neither I need to think more about this game sorry

{kookiemonster}
{Infinity 324, Purple Heart}
{tracy flick, Uncrowned, Gamma Emerald, OutWorldER}
{Flea the Magician}
{}

I'm probably something like this right now but I need to commit one way or the other on some of these slots. I'd also like to go through infinity and you again to commit those to strong TRs. Flea will probably stay a lean, but we will see

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no u said u dropped the TR a while ago

I said it weakened

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Actually there was one thing I was thinking, let me know if you agree purple. I think I've been given some weird TRs this game

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u always say u disagree with my read here but then flea shows up at the bottom of ur readslist.

I said I disagree with your reasoning, not the outcome of it

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What is?

It's more that the reasoning wasn't clicking for me, it felt off, gut pings, whatever you want to call. Not that I thought Flea's council specifically had scum on it

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probably myself, MC, uncrowned.

HEAL: Murdercat - HEAL: Gamma - I am more than happy with this at this time.

probably a town mindset (for MCat specifically)

I don't have a completed scum game in 4 years so I know no one has enough meta on me for this and the person I trust most to read me in this game is null/scum leaning me.

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Then can you go in depth on Tracy/Gamma reads?

I will remember to do this this afternoon

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Infinity

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Spoiler: infinity on Murder

@murder Hmm, but they’ve been making posts like that all game and you’ve been townreading them for it

When I imagine town!murder, it’s a chipper flareon darting back and forth and digging for scumtells. Here you’re curling up in my lap and wanting to talk about everything but dkkoba.

Infinity who is scum?

I’m not sure anymore. I’m still suspicious of murder and I’m starting to get worried about nora. But I’ll look at this game a bit more tonight.

Why are you suspicious of Murder?

He’s a lot less proactive than when I played with him as town before, and it feels like he’s trying to buddy me (whereas normally when we’re both town, it’s the other way around lol)

Ehh, murder could be town here and just playing more chill. All I need is for the murder I know to come out. I’m confident he will if he’s town.

Murder you still haven’t gone into solvy-flareon mode and that makes me sad.

Yeah I just hate getting into 1v1s, and koba can get on my nerves and I just didn’t feel like continuing that exchange. In terms of pocketing, I like to develop positive interactions with my townreads because it helps town synergy. If it felt like pocketing then *shrug*

My murder read is basically at “I need to see the town!murder I know otherwise I’m scumreading him”. I was able to read him as town really quickly in the couple games we’ve played together, he isn’t always immediately towny to me (spectated a game where I thought he was scum for that reason) so I’m giving him a chance. Some other things that pinged me were buddying early on, and a bit of awkwardness when I discussed my read on him around 379. Not the central reason for my read, but may be more useful to you.

I would say my description holds, but feel free to read yourself, this is most of it.

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Like can you give an example of me being obv town? Or maybe say more about 653?

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I think this would be a new development in Noraa's scum game, but I was not in her other scum games I just read them for meta. Death Curse was certainly unique in a few ways.

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Mostly I think claiming to have a read on Flea based on a tell but holding on to it instead of immediately putting it out there (as I would expect someone doing it for town cred to do) and hard tunneling purple are super town Noraa things. Also FWIW, I'm not going to take my lack of reading Noraa well in Death Curse as a hit to my confidence in my ability to read her because I did have a strong SR on her and the reason I came around was in large part due to a mechanical error that luckily worked out in scum's favor. (Not to take anything away from Noraa for playing well, I do think her AtE was outside of her previous scum meta and it did throw me.)

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PEdit: murder those reasons seem weak :/

I think saying “I have a tell but I’m not saying it yet because I want to see if it will keep up” can definitely be a way to LAMIST. I also think tunneling is pretty easy to fake.

In general, easy to fake but it isn't what I consider to be Noraa's scum playstyle.

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Is Infinity always this paranoid? I remember zero paranoia from haunted house.

-kookie

Different circumstances, the game was near solved

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okay
this is the counsel I want and I am going to push it.
I think its really strong and I don't think anything that involves me can really be any stronger then that.

I don't hate it

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No I want to commit to gamma first

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yuck all the TRs are bothering me still
I think whether the scums push to end up on the council together comes down to who the scum are
If it were me I would be hard buddying my partner and trying to get them on the council with me to look better post flip as I think it's unexpected

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This supports my theory that there are fake TRs out on me
Though immediately producing a spreadsheet is a good way to make me think yours isn't one of the fake ones

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I agree with the logic that Purple should be in the council, I think they are NK targets

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It's how we have been discussing the council

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Also, I'll just say that there are some mech things that I want to share in the hood that I'd rather not say in the main thread

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Actually, thinking more deeply, there's enough things I want to do with the hood that I'd like to be in it if possible.
I think it looks awkward explicitly asking for that but somehow I have enough town cred to get away with it
This might be a hot take but I think the PT is actually by far the strongest aspect of being on the council on N1

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Is it weird that I kinda suss Flea but also don't like the outworld vote there?

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guess it's not weird

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1039 is no good yo

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Like 1039 gives me I can solve the whole game with that one post vibes

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Outworld remind me of your experience as scum? You are an alt right?

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As long as I see solvy flareon before the end of the day phase. Deal?

I think you are about to get it

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replaces messed with my flow a little bit so i've had to reread the thread

where I'm at is I don't like Flea because 804 seemed like she was shading noraa while tiptoeing around actually calling her scum

a lot of this iso is actually random shade at others now that i look at it

purple taking control of the game, generally spurring engagement, feels obvtown

uncrowned just, feels town man. his posts feel like they come from a place of honesty

MC also feels like he's coming into a leadership position, also feels obvtown

noraa/noraa hydra is town, unfortunately

infinity still gives me weird vibes that i can't put my finger on, it's the same with gamma

so yeah, i'm gonna

VOTE: Flea
HEAL: Murdercat
HEAL: Uncrowned
HEAL: Purple Heart

Ok here's everything I hate about this post

1. Flea is a kind of consensus SR or at least a very safe vote at the moment. But, there are a lot of Flea posts that just kind of scream I am town and I don't care about your read on me. I think the big thing I have on Flea is they have a totally different personality this game compared to Death Curse, but I would expect people to be more reserved as scum and I honestly kinda buy the argument that it was hard to get into death curse with that game type / playerlist.

2. Purple is obv town but the reasons listed don't track. Feels over explainy and yet with no substance at the same time

3. uncrowned is kinda vibing towny for me but this reads like TMI that uncrowned is town. But then I'm like *tin foil* Outworld might just be trying to get uncrowned in the council??

4. The read on me is just not true, it's similar to the read about purple. I've been kinda avoiding leadership in general in this game as for once I don't have to do it.

5. Infinity and Gamma reads sound like "these players are town but there's some doubt about them so I'm gunna leave some light suss and push for miselims there later"

Like if this were in a scum iso I would be like jackpot, none of this fits with the gamestate, let's see what they were pushing

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Murder I think you’re pointing out that not a ton of effort went into that readslist, but I don’t think it’s scum indicative here.

Fair for most of it, but what about uncrowned?

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Also that post outworld made about being LHF is still at the back of my mind

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I may be biased because I agree with the take, but yeah I think it’s just another low effort read.

You read 2170 right? Look at like the first 20 posts there and compare to here / that post, it doesn't feel way off to you?

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I'm seriously spooked

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Murder, if there’s scum in {me, purple, kookie} who is it? And how likely is it?

Tbh I wanted to see if you would hold your scumish lean on me and you did. I don't think this is how you play wrt me as scum but I could be wrong. Noraa could have developed a new facet to her scum game. Purple I really think is just town and I never really doubted koba that much. I think I'd be a lot better at answering this question tomorrow but gth I might say Noraa just updated her play

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PEdit: we can decide who to doc once we form the council. I just want people who I’m confident are town on the council.

Doc is within council I think

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Infinity are you scum?

That makes infinity less likely to be scum not more

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I agree. Can someone else sort that slot for me please, this is exhausting

Purple REALLY wants to be TR which honestly isn't that scummy IMO, at least for many players

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Taly's posts are still obv town IMO

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- I feel safer being on the council due to the fact that if scum try to shoot me, their kill might fail.

this literally does

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Nope, it doesn't.

Can you explain this? Doc exists only within council

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Does anyone understand how Flea is suggesting that I am manipulating how mechanics work?
I tried to read it myself and I don’t get it because I don’t see what their point has to do with anything.

I don't get it, if purple is in the council they could be safe if they aren't they can be killed

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@Kanna

- Question. Is the track and protect only limited to the members inside the Council?

I believe the tracker is universal and the doc is in PT. Otherwise traker makes no sense

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Flea is probably right, I checked the review thread

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Flea is probably right, I checked the review thread

Do you think this push from Flea is coming from town? atm I am struggling to see it.

Yes I do it's too hard a push on a pretty uni TR

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I disagree, I think scum could definitely craft a push like this and I think they definitely would like to.

Flea as scum doesn't have enough town cred to make this push

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Murder, who’s scum besides outworlder?

I haven't decided yet

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That's not a strong enough reason. As scum, you go after whoever you can craft to be as lynchable as possible.

Do you think that you fit that description?

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I think you could easily say that I'm snowing everyone in the game and that its scum indicative.

I'm asking if you think there would be a perception that you are easy to eliminate

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That plus fleas position in the game, is what makes me think it is a town push. Someone might be able to do that, but I don't think flea is that person.

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Null or scum leaned by most people

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At least pre push

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Probably lightly shade Noraa as that is the hardest push

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Yeah the wording was kinda unclear but that interpretation makes more sense

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What about Taly though

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Like sure I can see paranoia about someone trying hard to get into the council but taly isn't engaging in that at all and is straight solving.

I think we should leave purple out of the council though

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I think I have too many TRs :/

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What if tracy is good scum?

I get what you mean infinity

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Hmm

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I thought my push on outworld was good and I'm solving flea no

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Just because I'm too lazy to read the thread doesn't mean I'm scum

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Let's flip outworld

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Wait but we have to do council first

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I'm gunna propose a me you gamma council

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I have many reasons to propose this council. One is that I think the three of us can use the PRs well

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HEAL: murdercat
HEAL: infinity
HEAL: gamma

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Day one ends in (expired on 2020-11-27 01:23:05)

We should lock in a council whether it's this one or another one in the next 24 hours

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VOTE: Outworld

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Taly thinks outworld is scum too?

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I suggest you never bring this up in front of me again. ty.

What's with the aggressiveness this game Noraa

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Im very fucking mad about that game. VERY FUCKING MAD.

I literally had to take a few deep breaths while reading that stupid post.

Well let's not be toxic please you're better than that

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this is toxic.
I think its okay for them to be mad and to be frustrated about it and denying them from showing that and not express it does more harm then good.

I believe you have good intentions, but I feel like this is a respectful way of saying you're not being helpful and you're being inconsiderate.

Fair enough. I don't think things from other games should bleed into this game, but I won't mention it again. Sorry Noraa.

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I think it's important context to note that outworld was a day 4 ic in a previous game and that's where the name comes from