Micro 983 | The Council: Student Council Edition! | The End!

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official footage of me running into this game

VOTE: Infinity

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I've yet to see you around on this site, so tell me, whats your biggest self identified scumtell when you roll scum?

Ooo, good question.

I've only had one scum-game here and it was my first here, so I don't know how I'd go about playing it now. I can't really pinpoint one thing specifically.

I think a few defining features of that game were: Not knowing how to interact with my partner (I was clearly super fence-sitty on them and had no trajectory on my reads of their slot), I targeted inactive posters as LHF and wasn't afraid to drive those eliminations, and the final and probably the most applicable to how I'd play today is that I'm pretty calculated, I'd say. I try to twist the narrative in my favor and play a bit of the WIFOM game for sure.

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so far everyone who has posted is town

Go on.

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well I hope we roll scum sometime id love to teach you the ways good to know you'll be easy to sort

HEY I ACTUALLY WON THAT SCUM GAME IM NOT THAT EASY

But yeah I tend to obv!town pretty hard in games where I'm active lmao

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Infinity, do you think you're actually getting anything out of starting a RQS?

Feels like a cute way of coming up with "content" that doesn't actually amount to anything.

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hi guys i suggest we go about this like its a resistance game

Considering you said this, why wouldn't you propose yourself to be part of the council? Assuming self-votes are allowed?

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If my reward is a cookie, I'm pretty basic. Just a chewie choc-chip kind of guy.

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If my reward is a cookie, I'm pretty basic. Just a chewie choc-chip kind of guy.

a bunch of super cool stuff that inspired me to rip this quote from American Psycho

My name is Patrick Bateman. I'm 27 years old. I believe in taking care of myself, and a balanced diet and a rigorous exercise routine. In the morning, if my face is a little puffy, I'll put on an ice pack while doing my stomach crunches. I can do a thousand now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial masque which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion. There is an idea of a Patrick Bateman. Some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me. Only an entity. Something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours, and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable, I simply am not there.

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So what's a resistance game? ^_^

It's a social deduction game with no eliminations. There's 5 rounds, and in each round a party leader picks a team of people to go on a "mission" with them. Then everyone votes on if they like the team selected. If they do, that team goes on a "mission" where they have to pick to "succeed" or "fail" the mission. If even one person selects fail, then the mission fails.

The good team needs to figure out who the rest of their players are and take only them on the missions so that they can get to 3 succeeded missions. The bad team is obviously trying to get them to fail 3 missions. A good player who goes on a mission can only select to succeed, but a player on the evil team can pick to either bluff by helping the good team get through that mission, or sabotaging it.

It's a really fun game and the no elimination aspect can make it more fun for some groups than Mafia! Would recommend.

I believe Koba was saying we should play it like The Resistance by voting up our "preferred" council members early. Because a big part of that game is analysing which team each team leader proposes when it is there turn to pick who goes on a mission. I guess they suggested it here because we could later use that to see if there's any potential partner equity? However we can't really do that in this setup because if everyone does that we may lock in a council early that we end up not actually liking.

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It's better than nothing, still provides some analysis.

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Getting scumvibes from koba.

Don't tease us like that. Explain.

UNVOTE:

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OutWorldER probably town here. Not showing any care toward how he's perceived. +Town.

I think those were the only 3 people to have posted at the time

Getting grossed out by P1 and how there's still no trajectory behind this Infinity TR that you supposedly have, which you've maintained by keeping him as your council vote. Pockety behavior with zero reasoning behind it.

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I didn’t address this. I got scumvibes from the post 130 because it felt a bit overexplained.

Bit odd you call him out for overexplaining here when Tracy just wrote an essay on game strategy a few pages ago lmao

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Where?

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Ah, I see.

What I'm not really getting is how you're coming to that conclusion when you're saying answering questions is the key to your playstyle.

Feels kind of unfair and an easy way for you to shade slots for answering questions you're directing at them. If the answers are super blunt, are you really getting anything out of them? But if they're too long, now they're giving you scumpings? I guess I'm just not really seeing the connection between your playstyle and how you're coming to these reads. Feels contradictory.

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but tbh im really only confident in: murder, koba, and maybe uncrowned being town atp

Why is Infinity your current council vote, then?

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Feels like you're lobbying for class president.

I... don't know whether that's AI or not.

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but re: the universes ive noticed:


infinity
gamma
swizzle
murder

flea
outworld
me
tracy
uncrowned

just a gamestate analysis based on how people in general have been pushing people.

Also this is stupid
Partly because it’s trying to create a mentality I don’t think exist, and the other part is I’d think flea to be on the other side, and maybe Tracy as well
In fact I think Dk drew this up to try to convince the middle ground slots to go against the four they’re trying to push with this

It it stupid though? This was pretty in line with what I was thinking of the game, but in a different way I guess. I think there's probably a scum between Infinity/Swizzle/MURDER and the other two are being semi-pocketed.

The "sides" that Koba listed there obviously aren't 100% accurate but they're a decent representation of what the gamestate was like I think

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so here it felt like outworlder was using things that had already been said about me to form their read and it felt out of time also

Do you think it's inherently scummy for people to take from other people's reads and use that to formulate their own?

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This is funny, I'm legit TRing Koba more off of how they're being shaded for bad reasons then how they're actually playing.

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Koba, Outworld, Tracy = Town.

Gamma ripped my asshole pretty hard in the one scumgame I played against him where I was town, so I'm gonna re-read the game when I can to see what I'm finding there.

Flea I've lowkey ignored and need to pay attention to.

Like I said probably one scum in Infinity/Noora/MURDER

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so I'm gonna re-read the game when I can to see what I'm finding there.

Should clarify I mean re-read what we have in this game so far because I'm not one for meta-diving lmao

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@Purple

First of all... hi!

Secondly. Yeah, the MURDER/Infinity/Noraa came from the circle voting and what felt like really unearned and handed out TRs. Although I believe MURDER may less likely be part of that now given some of his posting. I think out of the 3 of them he's most likely Town.

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No, I said I think 1 of the 3 is scum and that the other two were being semi-pocketed, and now I think MURDER is less likely to be part of that, so it's more like 1 of Infinity/Noraa are scum.

The other scum is probably between Flea/Gamma.

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I think Infinity is playing a rather calculated game and I don't really see why he's TRing me? I think he's handing out reads a little too easily. Trajectories don't make sense to me.

Between Flea/Gamma I'll need to reread. Both gave me active lurk vibes which I generally don't like.

I don't really have an answer about gamestate, outside of people trying to sell themselves as Town more than they do usually, but I believe that's a by-product of the setup and that it's probably not AI as both town and scum would be equally invested into getting onto the council.

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Not to be rude but I don't operate like that in 9 player games. Team talk at this point is redundant imo. I look for who is most scummy and that's it.

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Out of interest, do you dislike reads list that have 1 more scumlean in them than what is possible in the setup?

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Exactly. Who is he going to want to vote? Has there been anything in real SRs from him? Maybe I've missed them but I don't recall any. Just tip-toeing around active players who he all mildly thinks are town to some degree?

Just because he thinks something is TvT doesn't mean much at all if I'm being honest. I've done similar things as scum before. I think the probability of it coming from scum is higher than you think. If your entire TR of him is based on that alone I'm concerned.

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Not to be rude but I don't operate like that in 9 player games. Team talk at this point is redundant imo. I look for who is most scummy and that's it.

Out of interest, do you dislike reads list that have 1 more scumlean in them than what is possible in the setup?

I'm not sure if this addresses your points, but I really feel like from a logical perspective, there is always 2 scum, they know who each other are, and they're going to work together to win the game. The game is a team game, not a solo game. You can't 1v9 games easily. This ain't league of legends.

As you get more flips, you get more hints and clues as to who is manipulating the gamestate (aka, who are the scum). Because there are people out there that are manipulating the gamestate and they're likely working together to do so.

Things happen for a reason. If you're town, you are presented with a puzzle and it is your job to solve it.

This is fair.

I don't consider myself a great or even a good scumhunter. I had a stretch of games in late 2019/2020 (when I joined here) where I was decent at catching at least 1 out of 2 scum in most of my games. I think I only played games where there were 2 scum as well.

Much of the reason I haven't or didn't play in many larger games is solely because I don't think I'm good at finding teams unless I'm playing social deduction games in person. I haven't been able to test this theory out entirely yet, but I'd say given my brief experience on site that this is not one of my strong suits. Hence why I try to simplify by looking for who I find independently scummy, and then sorting teams out later if I'm still alive by then.

I see the value in finding teams for sure, but I'm not going to sit here and bullshit and pretend I'm seeing a team here D1 when I'm not. If I actually had a strong read and was sure I was actually seeing a lot of equity between two slots, I'd mention it. But I'm not, and I think it's more harmful to town to come up with reads I don't have faith in myself.

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Oh I agree. I usually get offed N1 or N2 but if games were to go longer, looking at possible teams would be highly valuable. I just don't think I'm all that capable of it D1 without confusing myself or falling into conf!bias, which is definitely a tendency of mine.

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But... Koba is Purple who you are now TRing and try to get Noraa off of?

So just MURDER?

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Noraa trying to force townblocs already yikes lmao

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uncrowned - never SRed me until I SRed him. super scummy in general anyways and half those reads lists are extremely hard to relate to at all.

Uhh... check my ISO again please. You were still in Hydra when I had my opinion on you, and out of that I said Infinity is more likely than you. You're null for me aorn.

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I would appreciate if you didn't give me attitude just because you're upset another slot. I understand frustration but I'm not really in the mood to try and discuss things with a slot who is calling everything scummy just because they feel the game is turning against them.

Again, I never said I SR you. If you're going to engage with me, read my content.

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Purple/Noraa probably TvT.

Infinity backtracking on his TR of me because he hasn't pocketed me yet = scum.

Gamma no trajectory SR on my slot = scum.

Solved. You're welcome guys.

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I'd take a bow but I'm clumsy and might trip over myself

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It happens.

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I will a bit later. I haven't done much except skim over that obnoxious Purple/Noraa conflict (sorry lmao but that's what it was) so when I'm feeling less demotivated by her misrepping me completely I will try come back with higher effort.

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20 pages into my re-read, but I think this is where a lot of Purple/Noora starts anyway so I'm fine leaving it here for just now.

Flea: Massive amounts of active lurking. Almost no game-relevant content. Trying to play the null game.

MURDERCAT: I legitimately had nothing to say about their posting in my notes. Don't know whether that's good or bad.

Tracy: Sort of null-ish. Mostly early mechanical talk, but the posting following that was decent. I don't agree with her take on OutworldER but it didn't read as scummy to me.

Swizzle (Now Kookie): I may have overreacted to the P1 circle voting of Infinity/Swizzle/MURDER. On reevaluation it can definitely just be players who have history, since I've done similar things myself in the past. The posting from this slot was rather decent, but left a bit to be desired in terms of explanations. There was a lot of rapid-fire real-time reactions to posting and the vibes they were giving off, but I'm not sure I can TL the slot based on that when I can't get the full thought process behind *why* the posting gives those vibes. However, it didn't feel like this was just scum slinging stuff around and hoping it stuck. The tone is believable. I'll give Noora/Purple a better read to see what I'm finding there.

Gamma: Inoffensive posting is the phrase I'd use to describe Gamma here. I don't really understand what he meant by Koba having a "need" to SR him and Infinity during the early-game? That didn't make a lot of sense to me. But I do think his reaction to Koba's read on the gamestate (the thing where they posted about there being two competing sets of players) was genuine. I don't feel like there's a whole heap of solving going on from this slot, but it's better than what I recalled.

OutworldER: I'm still leaning town here, although less so than I was when I was reacting to the game in real time. His tone is still good, I'm not seeing a lot of urge to try and "play townie" to try and get onto the council (which I think scum would be highly incentivized to do) but I don't think there's a whole heap of effort being dedicated to solving here. The TLs he's listed are rather flimsy imo, including the one on myself.

Infinity: Early prodding and questioning is probably more town indicative than anything. However, he's playing far too pockety, much more than I'd expect. I'm interested in where he's getting his MURDER scumelean on, which I'm thinking will be explained in the more recent pages, I'd imagine? If not, then that's just a fake read. The rest of my take on Infinity will be explained in the next section.

Koba (Now Purple Heart): Liked their original pickup on Swizzle + Murder having the same council vote to start. Bringing that up felt like proactive town questioning. Brought up the same thing I was initially thinking about Tracy which was a bit too centric on mech talk, so I liked that too. I sense legitimate frustration by how they were being read for their "change" in personality, which I get myself. Moods can change rapidly and so can play, so I related to that. I think the most telling thing about Koba's alignment in this game was Page 13, actually. That interaction between them and Infinity spoke to me quite clearly. Infinity really didn't look good there imo.

The only thing of note upon Purple replacing Koba at this point was the reads list, which I thought was solid, and is quite similar to what I'm thinking about the gamestate at Page 20.

I'll try read the rest soon. As for now, my reads would be, based on this:

Purple
Tracy / Kookie
OutworldER

Gamma
Murder

Infinity
Flea

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I will a bit later. I haven't done much except skim over that obnoxious Purple/Noraa conflict (sorry lmao but that's what it was) so when I'm feeling less demotivated by her misrepping me completely I will try come back with higher effort.

Would also like to make an apology for being snarky here. I don't like being misrepped and all but conflict is part of this game and playstyle differences are a real thing.

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Your early early game was town enough, but you just really read as though you're trying to pocket people and get onto the council, which I think would do wonders for the scumteam. Have you developed on your Murder read at all? I'd be more happy to discuss it in real-time as going through pages upon pages can be tiresome.

And yeah, your Koba push didn't read to me as genuine at all. You felt really closed off to where they were coming from on Page 12 + 13. I feel like you'd be more inclined to at least entertain that discussion than just rush to the conclusion of Scum!Koba right away.

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Like I feel in terms of playstyle there's some similarity between us in terms of constant questioning and gathering reads through that, but a big part of that is being able to handle people's responses and having conversations in good faith with them. I don't feel like you were engaging with Koba in good faith during that interaction.

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I'm confused, didn't you say the games you where in with town murder, he was already practically confirmed town and that's why you were able to read him so easily? Because this is a fresh game, wouldn't it naturally be harder to read his alignment? Or am I confusing him with someone else?

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Oh, okay. I thought you were implying you like replaced into the game and there was stuff that happened that game that made you think he was town. My bad.

So what's got you paranoid about me?

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Ah it's activity based. Fair, I guess.

I wouldn't say activity is a tell for me on either side. Although I would say in general my quality of play becomes worse the less active I am in thread.

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I don't think it's necessarily a bad take - I haven't obv!towned this game like I'm usually capable of.

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Purple/Noraa probably TvT.

Infinity backtracking on his TR of me because he hasn't pocketed me yet = scum.

Gamma no trajectory SR on my slot = scum.

Solved. You're welcome guys.

These reads are OMGUSsy and lazy as hell. And Uncrowned was actually legitimately scary as town last time I played against him so the Burden of Proficiency is high.

Uhh... are you talking about Radja's story? Because the only thing I did that game was get myself TRed. I didn't have either of the scum correct in that game.

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Gamma ripped my asshole pretty hard in the one scumgame I played against him where I was town, so I'm gonna re-read the game when I can to see what I'm finding there.

That's actually the game I was referencing when I made this post, because I don't think I suspected you at all that entire game? I wouldn't say there's any Burden of Proficiency here. I'm historically maybe a slightly above average scumhunter at best if you're looking at my games prior to hiatus.

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and lazy as hell.

I also admitted as much haha

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Like I'm not sure if you're just misremembering the game or if you're actively trying to misrep my play in it to shade me. I legitimately got played by you and your buddy in that game, hardly suspected either of you, and in Eliminate or Lose I didn't engage with you at all and let you coast to an easy win while I voted the incorrect person and lost town the game? What am I missing here?

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an you acknowledge the part where I legitimately countered your argument

Sorry, yeah I can. But I kind of you need you to explain it for me: Why does PH town mean I am scum? PH's predecessor had me as their strongest TR IIRC?

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Can you show me where I was driving them against Noraa? Was this when I was saying I'm TRing them based on other people's reasons for SRing them being bad? If so, I can see that. However, I think you can argue the same thing the other way round. Koba's TR on me didn't exactly have a bunch of reasoning behind it and could've looked like a buddying attempt, but I TR Koba off the rest of their play.

So do you think I'm trying to buddy Purple, basically?

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So out of interest I peeped that game we're talking about. You wanted to kill me because I was solidly TRed that game and thought I could keep my composure during the game.

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And tbh that’s not the only gamestate I’m entertaining

Can you expand on this?

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What do you think about OutWorldER?

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Also a lot of his posts are super like .... shady and defensive. Its like "YOU MISREPPED ME THEREFORE I CAN NOW JUST IGNORE UR READS"
if I can't follow along as well, I take it as an indication that he's not thinking from the same perspective as mine.

Well, no. I haven't ignored any of your reads?

I just didn't get your reasoning behind your SR of me at all. You said I started SRing you when you started SRing me, but I never said anything about SRing you?

The only thing I said even close to that was that I believed originally there was a scum between You/Infinity/MURDER because of the first page circle vote (which FTR I've retracted after my re-read since I believe I may have overreacted to it).

But before I did my re-read, I specifically said I believe Infinity is the most likely scum out of that trio. Hence why I was so confused when you started making false claims that I was SRing you after you started SRing me.

It's a little frustrating not having my posts read.

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Oh and yeah I really don't like people trying to force townblocs. Feels like pockety behavior so yeah I'm gonna bring that up.

Anyways, I'm out for most of the day but shouuuuuld be able to catch up tonight hopefully. I skimmed over the pages that have popped up since I've been gone but still need to recommence my catchup from 20 onwards. See you guys later.

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oh yeah quick thing I wanted to ask Purple while I pop in

why would scum!infinity put himself in a bad spot by reverting his reads on you and noraa when he probs could've cruised into the council but he's instead TRing me who is apparently widely scum or null read

doesn't make sense for scum to do imo

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I think Tracy is a better pick than Infinity if I'm being honest. I'm trying to come around to Town!Infinity but I still think Tracy is more likely to be town here.

The other two I don't love either but Infinity is probably my weakest link in the council as of right now.

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I mean nearly all of my posts have been either ignored or misrepped so I'd rather at least have my thoughts ripped off lmao

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his reads are extremely hard to follow and agree with even on like a basic level.

So you had already said this prior to my re-evaluation of the game. Do you still feel the same way after the re-read? I think the reads laid out are relatively simple in terms of explanation.

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The reads list I'm referring to btw is 864

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I have watched a lot of Survivor and a point of contention is being able to demonstrate you were responsible for the moves you made. That is what makes me so driven to ensure I receive proper credit for my ideas.

Makes sense. I feel that.

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I don't really think Infinity's paranoia is something that has a reason to be faked here. He's been TRed by most slots for a majority of the game, could have eased his way into the council without changing anything, and then all of a sudden started changing his reads and expressing paranoia that was more likely to get him SR?

I was leaning toward him being scum, but I just don't see what benefit he gets out of playing in this fashion.

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Kookie is highly tonal, but also some stuff I can't directly reference. However, I'm aware of Noraa's tendency to hard push on stuff they believe in and that seems like it's being directly replicated here. While I'll admit I'm not particularly a fan of how they've tackled my slot specifically, I can see town motivation. 684 also details some of my feelings towards them.

I skimmed over Purple vs. Noora again and this is where I picked up a lot of the tonal and pushing stuff which I believe is town!noraa indicative. Idk. I'm trying to be engaged here but I think I'm still harbouring some like... stupid demotivation because of how I may wrongly or rightly be perceiving how I'm being treated as a slot in this game lmao. Think I just need to stop being a little bitch. I think in this game I'll do better wiht more real-time interactions

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I like OutWorldER on a mainly tonal basis but I do have to admit he's starting to look worse given the lack of effort to solve, whether that be from a townhunting or scumhunting perspective.

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do you know how bad this post looks when majority is shifting towards day 4 IC?

I guess. Just calling it how I see it. Scumcrowned probably doesn't post here at all lmao

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Like no matter what I say there he's getting eliminated and I don't think me voicing support or being against it would change that. I can see the argument for him being scum but I'm not sure why he'd approach the game this way if he was.

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Ah yes and we shall ignore the people who piled votes on him fast af because reasons

Hey, Purple. This is what I meant.

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lmao @ you trying to say infinity is shading everyone when half your ISO is you whining about everyone is playing scummy

do you read your own stuff before you post it or are you too full of shit to even realize how badly you're contradicting yourself

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nah I'd rather expose your shitty play

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I tried to be open and respectful before but if they're gonna be close minded and rude then I honestly don't give a fuck

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It's both of your responsibility. You're playing mafia together so don't treat each other like shit.

You're right.

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You know what
If OutWorldER flips town
I’ll sleep on it Uncrowned

JFC which one of you is scum lmao

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Also I think Tracy already hammered OutworldER

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with all this talk about "if OutworldER" flips green and people trying to set up who to go after if they're wrong, combined with the speed of how it picked up and got hammered, you best believed there's at least one scum on there.

Gamma and Infinity probably aren't so I'd look at the last 3 to have 1 in there

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that means MURDER/Purple/Tracy

Kookie as the partner because they were trying to shade me for how I'm approaching the slot, but the whole end portion of their ISO is talking about how scummy OWER is without voting on him and all that nonsense.

There you have it.

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I just checked to see if he got hammered after MURDERS unvote so I haven't seen the twilight posting i'll check now

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Oh, that OWER posting at the end?

Yeah uhh... I think that does more than enough to make it look even more suspect that both Purple/Kookie are trying to setup eliminations on me of all people after this gross wagon

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No Kookie is more likely than Tracy/MURDER solely on the premise that they were hovering around the wagon for how long FOSing OWER without ever putting a vote there for... reasons?

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They were just parked on me the whole time for stuff that I already proved was false.

"yeah let's sit on the guy who isn't up for elim today while we shade the guy actually being wagoned and will probably get eliminated and then blame Uncrowned while I'm doing the exact same thing"

sigh

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You know what
If OutWorldER flips town
I’ll sleep on it Uncrowned

Not shading but this just looks trash

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wait surely you meant sheep there right

i was reading it as sheep this entire time

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lmao i'm fucking dead you actually meant sleep okay my bad

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I thought you meant you'd sheep Kookie on wagoning me tomorrow if OWER flips green

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I hereby revoke my claim that I am a good reader

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He didn't say anything that was towny tho and that's why he was ignored :/

Okay, if I'm being honest this is why I've been frustrated.

You say this, but you don't back it up at all. It's just this claim with nothing behind it. Just like the one where you said I started SRing you after you started SRing me, which was completely false as I never once stated I scumread you at all.

It feels really close-minded and unfair to just rule everything I say as "non-towny" when you can't even get into reasons about why it is? You're either scum just trying to discredit me or you're town who is completely closed off to the possibility of me being town and is just conf!biased to a bad read you made pages ago for incorrect reasons.

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I don't expect to be a widely TR player given my activity and with not being widely TR comes not having a lot of my content addressed, but to throw it all under this "scum" thing and then get setup as the potential elim D2 when I'm one of the few people who for most of the game was open to OWER being town? Just feels like shit. Idek if it's scummy but it's just bad play overall.

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Aggressiveness is not a scum tell for me lmfao.

this is true

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I... didn't talk about being the D1 elim at all? Haha

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I'm more saying I just don't see the progression from Town!OWER to "that must mean Scumcrowned" and the fact you're ignoring everyone on the wagon who quickvoted him up is just weird to me

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Couple that with the fact that you avoided voted him even though you FOS on him for a fair few posts and it's just odd that you'd come at me for the same thing you're doing, except you're doing it tenfold

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Like yeah you can argue my post on OWER is suspicious and fencesitty or whatever. Yeah. It's not a great post but it's not one I bother making if I'm scum.

But you just sat there talking about how bad he looks and how he should be the elim and how you're suspicious of him and then never used your vote to back up your actions. You just kept it parked on me. I don't get why you'd do that.

[Uncrowned]

hugs are nice

[Uncrowned]

if uncrowned, MC, or noraa ever get voted off i'm going to haunt somebody.

ty best boi i love your profile btw

[Uncrowned]

@kookie

I'm confused if OWER is scum does that make me scum or no?

I feel like that makes more sense than if he flips green then i'm scum

[Uncrowned]

FWIW I thought Infinity was engaging me in pretty good faith

[Uncrowned]

I'd first like to apologize for being a sook D1 and for how I interacted with Noora. I don't come into games intending to cause issues. I had a stressful couple of days and shouldn't have overreacted and tried to use the game to vent my frustration. That was wrong.

Now for the game. Flea is an interesting selection. Surface level NKA points to Purple potentially wanting that slot dead judging by end of day interactions between the two of them, I think? Will have to peep into that ISO a little more.

[Uncrowned]

Also I just realized there's a high ass probability of 2 scum on wagon. This is gonna be fun.

[Uncrowned]

I mean I guess the argument here is whether to factor in wine or not

Generally I think it's an exercise in futility to do so and I'd rather just take it at face value

Outside of "taking action" was there anything you guys discussed that you think is worth sharing?

[Uncrowned]

or inaction should i say

[Uncrowned]

oh god what is this "POE"

i nearly just vomited

this is either gross conf!bias induced by council votes or just scum agenda trying to point to a POE that doesn't actually exist in any way shape or form

[Uncrowned]

Cool. That doesn't really matter to me though. Explain that PoE

I'm this close to just full sending it and conf!towning Kookie in my own mind and tunneling everyone on wagon

[Uncrowned]

or we could ask the question as to why any of the council arent dead? is that not a thing we're going to pose here orrrr?

[Uncrowned]

Gamma is high potential for scum here. read quality has been super lazy here by him imo

Zero trajectory read on me that I still maintain was bad

Super low effort SR on OWER

Trajectory on Flea was also not good. Went from saying FLea was "quite towny" to randomly dropping them to near scum level on reads based off of... what? "associative tells" between them and OWER which turned out to be incorrect anyway?

And no. It's not just the fact that they're incorrect. Actually look at the reads and tell me if there's any natural progression there outside of adapting to what was being said in the gamestate. My read on Gamma before was a fitting description: Inoffensive. That's how his posting has come across this game imo and I think it's just been smooth sailing

I've seen actual attempts to solve from Purple, Noora and Infinity.

You've flown under my radar half the game tbh

Tracy actually fits into a similar category to Gamma from what I was seeing. I was seeing far more talk of who should be in the council in her ISO than real attempts to solve outside of some shading on OWER

Uncrowned
Kookie
Infinity, Purple

MURDER

Tracy, Gamma

[Uncrowned]

To be fair, I’m not sure I would be too interested in the OutWorldER map.

I wouldn't say I'm not interested, more just I don't really know what to do with that information yet.

Like I could take it for face value and just say "Look at all the negative interactions with Gamma! CONFIRMED TvS!" but you could've argued the same thing for Flea and that would've ended up being wrong, you get me?

The only thing I'm really set on is the sheer number of positives from OWER/Kookie gives me even more added confidence the slot is town, although I think I'd already determined that based on their engagement with your slot

[Uncrowned]

Gut says kookie and uncrowned potentially

Didn't even realize this had been posted end of d1

I feel like anyone paying attention to the game in any capacity and gave any sort of care to actually solving would know how implausible this is.

[Uncrowned]

I think there's something that can be gathered from the map but I think we need a bit more information before we can narrow down what exactly that is

[Uncrowned]

I've played one game with Gamma where he was scum and I was town. This was a while ago.

I would be talking out of my ass if I said I'm making a meta case on him, I'm not. My read on him is based entirely on what has occurred in this game.

If you think he's town I'd appreciate your POV on why.

[Uncrowned]

I'm intrigued but also just scared you've been 100% pocketed lmao

[Uncrowned]

Like there's definitely room for inaccuracy here but if I hear about how Gamma has spewed and been super solvey in this council PT while being anything but that in game i'm just not gonna be convinced in the slightest

[Uncrowned]

Don't like the Uncrown heals if we're just putting things out in the world

neither do I

feels like the entire council is pandering to me atm. the only one of them who had a legit TR on me is infinity from yesterday.

1 of mcat of gamma have shat themselves based on how I started today and called that this council has scum on it. these reads are unfounded af

[Uncrowned]

I did say one of for a reason.

also this might just be a trash assumption but man does it look bad that you float through d1 with "meh" activity in terms of actual solving and now you're being sussed and you're guns blazing?

[Uncrowned]

who do you SR infinity

[Uncrowned]

give me your thoughts on 1628 gamma

and im more concerned with these lazy TRs on me that feel like they're just being used to placate me atm

[Uncrowned]

ok now explain your gamma TR to me?

[Uncrowned]

Purple/Noraa probably TvT.

Infinity backtracking on his TR of me because he hasn't pocketed me yet = scum.

Gamma no trajectory SR on my slot = scum.

Solved. You're welcome guys.

These reads are OMGUSsy and lazy as hell. And Uncrowned was actually legitimately scary as town last time I played against him so the Burden of Proficiency is high.

So uhh... this is what you responded to me the first time I said your read on me was bad.

But now you understand it?

[Uncrowned]

So you see why I think you're trying to buddy me, right?

The whole game the only people who TR me was Koba before PH replaced in, Infinity and OutWorldER. Every other slot was either SRing me or on the scum-side of null.

When I was up as a potential elim, you were fine to shade my reads, call them lazy, etc. etc.

Now that I'm obvtowning... ahhh now you understand them? Very convenient, no?

I'm not buying it atm.

[Uncrowned]

like do YOU understand how THAT would look like OMGUS?

Sure, but how's it lazy, exactly? The premise is still exactly the same now as what it was then. What has changed between then and now that has turned it from a "bad, lazy read" to a "wrong, but understandable/reasonable" one?

[Uncrowned]

I'm highly aware it looked like OMGUS and I acknowledged as much in some posts shortly after that I believed, that was before I did my updated reads.

Now here's the interesting thing: In my updated reads, I ended up putting you null-ish. You then backed off.

Why?

If you were so certain I was being lazy and not looking to solve, why wouldn't you push me more there? Why wouldn't you demand answers? It looked to me as though you were just trying to get me off your back/discredit my point, and then were fine once I stopped pushing it.

[Uncrowned]

Like to me that just looks like:

"Oh, Towncrowned is unravelling atm. Let's jump on this and see if we can put him even deeper in the hole.'

Then I begin my catchup and make the updated reads.

'Never mind. He's posting well now. This will be harder than I thought. Let's wait and see what happens."

And then you're just back on this OWER read you had. I don't get it?

[Uncrowned]

Tracy and OWER definitely haven't played the same outside of lower activity levels.

[Uncrowned]

OWER had snippets of genuine interactions and moments of town/scumhunting. Tracy talked mechanics, had a read on OWER and nothing else really worth noting? Compare their ISOs and they're definitely not the same.

That's a weird comparison to make from Purple tbh. I'm not sure how you could SR OWER and not feel the need to SR Tracy here. That doesn't feel right. If you could get on OWER for "not wanting to play the game" but now you're shading a potential Tracy elim who has been similar in that regard but worse everywhere else? Doesn't make sense.

[Uncrowned]

I think I just mind melded with infinity lmao

[Uncrowned]

ill have a look

[Uncrowned]

also I could argue no one outside of kookie cares about scum!gamma concept and uhh I opened D2 talking about scum!Tracy so saying no one cared about mcat thinking Tracy is scum is odd 0.0

like there's definitely a lot of interactions being glossed over

[Uncrowned]

so I read the case but im on mobile so my response won't be as detailed as I like

the main flaw I see with it is what benefit is scum!infinity ever gonna get out of trying to break up your conflict with Kookie? it doesn't add up to me. he was already mostly TR and could've easily just coasted into council and not bothered at all with taking a stance on you two. in fact taking a stance on you two limited his options in where to push later on, which i dont think is something scum would care/want to do.

then the part of the case about bad read trajectory is eh considering half this lobby has had terrible trajectories anyway and I think ones from gamma/Tracy look far worse than anything infinity has done.

also what do you mean by "blue" "red" "black" player etc. am I missing something there?

[Uncrowned]

like everyone's reasons for TRing gamma in particular were just... no offense kinda trash imo? He was playing such a null game D1 which lead to everyone just handing him TRs for... reasons? "the vibe"? idk.

there's definitely been a metric fucktonne of bad trajectory reads this game

[Uncrowned]

I obviously understand the benefit of scum breaking up TvT. I try to look at things from a probability perspective though. Sure, he CAN break it up for towncred, but WOULD he be more likely to do it or not? I'm opting for not. I just don't think it's worth the trouble.

I just really don't get how you can be screaming for scum infinity right now and not have anything against Tracy? I'll probably need to reread your case on him a few times but I do not see the world where infinity is looking more scum than Tracy right now

[Uncrowned]

and no im not voting for council because I dont have a third

it would've been you or infinity but now that you're looking like TvS I'd rather not do either. plus you have high partner equity atm with Tracy who has overtaken gamma as my main SR

mcat is probably the safe option although the way they started this day pinged me badly

[Uncrowned]

as far as I'm concerned kookie is near locktown and one of us is probably eating a bullet tonight

we flip tracy tonight and then eliminate in {Purple, Gamma} and we've probably won

[Uncrowned]

so you hate voting elim bait. Cool.

I think OWER would like to have a word with you

so nothing was going on when he was getting propped up for elim but Tracy? "noooo she's elim bait scum are clearly happy with this and want her gone"

looks to me like she's aligned with you?

[Uncrowned]

OWER was clearly the option everyone defaulted to, including you. You can't make the argument that there's more going on in the game for Tracy while you completely ignored it for OWER

I'm pretty sure if I dont bring up Tracy start of d2 she doesnt get brought up nearly as much for being scummy here

[Uncrowned]

If you know your D1 was null than why aren't you concerned with the fact that people handed you zero effort TRs? I'm often more suspect of half assed TRs than I am SRs.

and by everyone I mean... well, pretty much everyone? the only person I really recall actively against you was OWER? maybe kookie as well? Infinity and MCAT jump to mind as prime examples of people who handed you early TRs for what I thought was nothing

[Uncrowned]

mcat can I ask your purpose of why you wanted everyone's reads before you started giving content

the more I think about it the more it just looked like you scoping out where to push for today

[Uncrowned]

what list is that

[Uncrowned]

nah i'm pretty sure they think infinity and i are the team

[Uncrowned]

If you know your D1 was null than why aren't you concerned with the fact that people handed you zero effort TRs? I'm often more suspect of half assed TRs than I am SRs.

and by everyone I mean... well, pretty much everyone? the only person I really recall actively against you was OWER? maybe kookie as well? Infinity and MCAT jump to mind as prime examples of people who handed you early TRs for what I thought was nothing

Here’s the thing, I don’t think

that many

people gave me 0 effort townreads. Honestly the only I can recall atp is like, Infinity, and I guess PH, but PH was self-aware about it, and I suss Infinity rn. Murder did too but I’m not 100% on where his head is at this game.

Beyond that, you, kookie, and OWER were clearly against, but I also recall Flea not entirely liking me?

Now, here’s the thing: I don’t think me not being UTR should have precluded me from being in the council D1. I had explicit reason I wanted the one we got, which was I thought we had chemistry and wanted to check that first-hand. Turns out I was wrong. But barring a hard SR on either murder or infinity I was always going to want that council D1.

have you given your version of events on the council? who are you SRing explicitly atm?

[Uncrowned]

does that make gamma scum or support the case there?

If i'm being unbiased then generally it would point to gamma probably being town that people want to hand a read to to placate him

but in the context of this game and how he's played i feel as though it allowed him to chill through D1 which i didn't like. It's like he was determined as town within the first 10 pages or so and no one wanted to evaluate that outside of OWER who then got offed anyways

I still think tracy is independently more scummy but idk still not a huge fan of gamma. his interactions with me today have been ok i suppose but i'm just really put off by his change of read on me

[Uncrowned]

Uncrown here just reads diningenuous. I don't believe his townread/defending outer d1. It's like he knew.

I mean yeah I kinda did? Like I could see the "scummy" behavior in a sense from him but he had no agenda and tonally read as though he was super uncaring of how he was perceived.

[Uncrowned]

like just judging by the whole complacency of the player list and the lack of conviction for alternate options it was relatively clear (especially in hindsight) that he was seen as lim bait

that same complacency was mirrored in the council selection hence my confidence in at least 1 scum on council

[Uncrowned]

oh no

well this isn't good

[Uncrowned]

so uhh gamma is looking good right now

I'm guessing the move is purple/Tracy now? considering how they tried to deflect off Tracy while still also being like "ehhhh but if you guys wanna do it i guess I can"

[Uncrowned]

no you're hedging on it hard af right now

[Uncrowned]

No fucking way y'all are limming me and putting purple on the council.

ok just push tracy
its not like im saying im not going to join that wagon ever

like apparently infinity is this major SR you have and you're talking about how you'll blindly follow Kookie because you trust em (in reality youre just scum buddying to them i assume) so why would you join infinity on a tracy wagon?

a Tracy red flip wins the game here right away bc purple is the obvious partner

youre playing both sides while trying to suck up to Kookie

[Uncrowned]

like if youre so convinced of scum infinity and youre so trusting in kookie there's no way you fencesit so much and even consider joining infinity on the tracy wagon. it just doesn't add up at all. youre banking on pocketing kookie and getting onto the council.

[Uncrowned]

I'm not talking about the council?

Kookie wants Infinity out. Kookie is your strongest TR. You say you will follow Kookie. Kookie is convinced Infinity is Scum and that other scum is in Gamma and myself.

...in what world would you see this information and then still want a Tracy lelim? you've been hanging off kookie for how long now but you're still down to elim outside of Kookies established pool?

what exactly is your solve right now?

[Uncrowned]

"It's not about who scum is at all."

"Making sure we have a council."

holy shit this is pretty much what Tracy was doing D1

so uhh this is the team right?

also this was a while ago but weren't infiity/gamma your strongest TRs or something? this was after your interaction with kookie..what changed on them?

[Uncrowned]

They wouldn't. But you should.

well im following kookie around today when it comes to the council vote.
I'll do what they want because I think I always vote them into council

ok so yeah I misread this but... does it matter? the concept still remains

it makes no sense to me that you're THIS invested into kookie being on the council and being the chooser of the council. you trust them that much with arguably the more important job in this game but when it comes to the elim you won't follow there lead? like what?

[Uncrowned]

are you seeing how from my perspective this doesn't add up at all?

[Uncrowned]

so you don't want the same thing... but you'll gladly accept whatever council they want??? or am I wrong?

oh boy this already feels like a loss

Me/MCAT and someone else has to be the council or this game is done i think

mcat had a bad day start but theyre one of the few people who dont seem to be playing with much of an agenda here I think

[Uncrowned]

actually no I think the play here is elim purple

purple red flip = Tracy or kookie partner guaranteed

purple green flip = kookie good. infinity bad.

most informative flip we will get

or you can flip me. I am not against this. because....

once I flip green, gamma and infinity are 90% just town here. mcat is probably also town.

remaining pool is purple kookie Tracy. easy win.

I am happy with either. I think we've won this based on the interactions we've forced

[Uncrowned]

do not put myself or purple on the council. you are eliminating in one of us today.

[Uncrowned]

or Tracy if you want an in between option but she isn't getting on the council anyway

[Uncrowned]

uhh no because the other scum can do the kill? right? is that not how it works

[Uncrowned]

kookie are you scum

wtf is gamma/uncrowned

I will personally self vote and win this game for us by handing you guys the solve on a silver platter if I need to

tracy/purple/kookie is the pool

gamma is an outside chance but I just don't think it is given how he's approached d2

if mcat is scum we've probably lost anyway

[Uncrowned]

there's no way infinity continues his TR of me here if he's scum he's had ample opportunity to turn that around.

[Uncrowned]

like if I've been pocketed then whatever I suck but theres just too much scum agenda here that doesn't add up in the slightest

[Uncrowned]

I will say that purple/Tracy is more likely on the premise that i think purple is trying to buddy kookie hard atm. I think this because purple start of day was rather strong on towncrowned but i think they know kookie would be easier to point in the wrong direction. as soon as kookie expressed discontent with my slot Is when purple started throwing me into solves. trash trajectory

[Uncrowned]

yeah I tend to work with people i TR once scum start coming after me

OWER if you're watching, I'm doing this in honor of you my friend

[Uncrowned]

I mean you could argue Kobas early read on me was TMI as well because their whole reasons for TRing me was "just vibes man" but sure lets try twist the narrative now am I right? we'll start showing one side of the story and ignoring the other because that's what will win town the game here for sure

[Uncrowned]

and im not pivoting from Tracy to you? tracy/you is literally my solve? as I said only a few posts above? nice attempt at lying about that, I guess? lol

please flip me today and then death tunnel the absolute fuck out of both Tracy and purple

if kookie opposes, go after them as well

[Uncrowned]

absolutely

[Uncrowned]

Gamma/Infinity/MCAT

Flip me today. One of you will die. It will probably be Gamma. Tunnel the fuck out of the following three tomorrow. Stop at nothing to get them elimmed.

Purple/Kookie/Tracy

ONE of you is town. Flip me today. When I flip green, you will KNOW the other two are scum.

[Uncrowned]

I've already accepted that if one of the first three is scum we've probably lost anyway. I am happy to go out like this.

[Uncrowned]

I'm confident I've narrowed down the pool. If I'm not going to be listened to while I'm alive, perhaps death will shine a light on the way forward.

The greatest artists aren't recognized for their works until after they have died.

[Uncrowned]

Tracy is scum af. Yes.

[Uncrowned]

I've seen axolotls put more effort into solving than she has

axolotls are cute af by the way would recommend

[Uncrowned]

I'm perfectly fine for settling for you tbh

Of course you would. You remove your biggest threat to your agenda and then you can twist my final message your own way. But I'm not letting you do that.

Tracy
Purple
Kookie

Two scum in here. Never forget.

[Uncrowned]

you, kookie, mcat right?

[Uncrowned]

HEAL: Kookie
HEAL: Murder
HEAL: Purple

Sorry to put you in council with scum, MCAT. Just bear with it. Fight valiantly. You will emerge victorious.

[Uncrowned]

Loving the scum claim here by Purple lmao this is GOAT content

VOTE: Uncrowned

[Uncrowned]

which part of the hydra is this, out of curiosity?

[Uncrowned]

I will dedicate a shrine to you if you win this game. For a month I will make my profile picture a bootleg version of yours, Alisae.

[Uncrowned]

Vote me Kookie.

[Uncrowned]

Terrible in what way? Do you really not think Tracy is scum here?

[Uncrowned]

Oh so now it's "if I'm town"

the wheels are falling off, friends. the truth is being exposed

[Uncrowned]

I was a "scumbucket" all game but now its "if im town"

[Uncrowned]

yeah because you're the only one that makes sense

you make less sense than the other 2 but you're 100% still in the pool

[Uncrowned]

yeah because you're the only one that makes sense

you make less sense than the other 2 but you're 100% still in the pool

ok scum bucket.

you know damn well I'm town here. scum would never try this shit. But idc. I die a hero

[Uncrowned]

one of you is scum stop it lmao

[Uncrowned]

hurry up and vote me

[Uncrowned]

bro look at purples agenda and tell me they're not scum?

[Uncrowned]

ill gladly throw us into elo if it means confirming 3 town and letting them figure out who the scum are

[Uncrowned]

Tracy is scum in your solve? nice. we agree on something.

[Uncrowned]

well I've pushed Tracy since start of d2 and you guys are tiptoeing around it so im not really concerned with living anymore

either get it over with and vote me or Tracy. either way we get a step closer to winning

im not gonna sit here after obvtowning all of d2 and still be suspected for terrible reasons

[Uncrowned]

I called from start of d2 there's two scum on wagon and what do you know, you're all coming to the same conclusion a good 8 years after I already figured it out. what more do I need to hand you to tell you im town? nothing else I say matters so I'd rather just get elimmed and then the game will be won anyway

[Uncrowned]

this is pseudo solving i love it

[Uncrowned]

nvm just reread it

[Uncrowned]

I am 100% adamant about my townniness and I am very interested in elimming Tracy and then purple to win the game

but if I need to go down first for that to happen then so be it

you not interested in a Tracy elim?

[Uncrowned]

I said that bc purple was trying to justify you not being eliminated because you were an easy target or something that wasn't me defending you lol

[Uncrowned]

also there's been plenty of resistance to your elim so purples point doesn't even make sense

[Uncrowned]

@gamma

why is infinity elim better than tracy

[Uncrowned]

Tracy flipping red absolutely spews purple as the partner? they've been trying to deflect from that wagon all of d2

[Uncrowned]

Is PH the only possible partner you see for tracy Uncrowned?

Tracy can work with practically anyone outside of infinity and myself, I think?

I recall someone saying they can't be with you either but I need to find it and see the reasoning

PH is by far the most likely partner though, yes.

[Uncrowned]

gamma are you leaning toward elimming infinity

[Uncrowned]

I will hammer on Infinity on the premise that if he's green, we tunnel Purple and Tracy.

[Uncrowned]

Tracy? Good.

VOTE: Tracy

[Uncrowned]

My name is Towncrowned. I am 20 years old. I believe in catching scum, including a balanced diet of making excellent reads and spotting tells from a mile away.

In the morning, if I'm feeling a little fence-sitty, I'll re-read ISOs while studying Mafia Theory. I can read 100 pages a day now.

After I'm done reading, I conduct solid night kill and vote count analysis, because ignoring these things can cause your reads to be less accurate.

I then dab on some obvtowning, followed by equal portions of casing and charisma, the final touches to what will become a game-swinging red flip.

There is an idea of Towncrowned. Some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me. Only an entity. Something illusory. And though you can feel my cold gaze behind my keyboard, and you can interact with me and either TR or SR me, and maybe you can even sense that our gameplay or posting style are probably comparable, I simply am not there.

[Uncrowned]

OWER I DID THIS FOR YOU MAN