Silent Star 3: Royalty

[Infinity 324]

Hello! VOTE: taylor

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VOTE: isis >:(

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ydrasse you're supposed to make a joke or personable comment this is

mafia

there are

rules

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It should be a sub-wedding

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Hello! VOTE: taylor

uhm. excuse me?

also, hi morning!!!
*flops ears*

You're scum!

Also if I marry you will you not NK? I like nightless setups.

[Infinity 324]

No one on your team kills anyone. That's the deal.

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We should all marry each other and commit to limming one pair of lovers each day phase

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No one on your team kills anyone. That's the deal.

ok but first tell me how big your team is and who im not allowed to shoot.

Oh forgot to answer this. My team has roughly ten players. You are not allowed to shoot anyone in {Isis, Flea The Magician, Ydrasse, Infinity 324, Gloria Cleary, Morning Tweet, TheGoldenParadox, PookyTheMagicalBear, skitter30, team rocket queen, Gypyx, Tayl0r Swift, Hopkirk}

[Infinity 324]

Time to start playing mafia I guess ._.

Pooky you haven't obvtowned yet. You've obvtowned in all the other games I've played with you. Why aren't you obvtowning?

When did pooky obvtown in matrix decipher? Cause I didn't see it

I'm not sure if TGP treating like, all of the game's content as though it came from a more serious and high information phase than it did is scummy or towny but I am pretty sure on balance it's scummy.

Thoughts on hopkirk reading taylor's cuteness as scummy, or is that a different situation to you?

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Pooky you haven't obvtowned yet. You've obvtowned in all the other games I've played with you. Why aren't you obvtowning?

i actually think he's been a bit +town for him
maybe not like obvtown but getting some townpings

That's what I was thinking too, but I think I've only seen town!pooky with a bunch of players they know and scum!pooky with a bunch of players they weren't as familiar with. Is cuteness normally town-indicative for them?

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I'm not sure if TGP treating like, all of the game's content as though it came from a more serious and high information phase than it did is scummy or towny but I am pretty sure on balance it's scummy.

Thoughts on hopkirk reading taylor's cuteness as scummy, or is that a different situation to you?

@isis

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i mean they're both solving the game

TGP's tone is like D6 eLo tone though

you get what I mean

Ehh, I think it's just as likely to be town exaggerating early reads for reactions.

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Uh, I don't think that's distinct from "the thing you think is scummy isn't scummy because it's probably a Slayer's Gambit". I'm definitely not into that.

Huh? It's pretty common for town to exaggerate reads in RVS. In the past, that was just how I played RVS.

Though I would like TGP to explain why they thought those posts from me were towny.

[Infinity 324]

I like my vote where it is honestly

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If we vote Isis and pretend we think she's really suspicious then Pooky is going to be super worried than we legitimately plan to lethal her. Then he's going to be distraught and will obvtown hard. I like your thinking Infinity.

Lol I forgot where my vote was

VOTE: taylor

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Maybe I’m seeing the same things hopkirk is? I also think taylor is relatively likely to have engaged with me on game-relevant things as town

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I feel bad about abandoning Piano lessons because I wish I could play Piano for Infinity and Taylor's wedding

Aww <3

I don’t particularly townread gloria from these last couple pages but I want to wait and see if she’ll obvtown.

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Why do people townread isis? I’m sure others have more meta on her than I do, but I think I’ve seen roughly this play pattern from her as scum.

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Which part

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I wasn’t following death curse when isis was in the game.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

I remembered this game I skimmed when meta’ing isis for another game, she didn’t feel very stilted here.

Anyway I’m fine sheeping y’all’s read for now

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Yeah makes sense. I tend to write off meme’ing as NAI but maybe it says more about a player’s mental state than I’m giving it credit for.

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Scumclaiming already, interesting.

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I agree in theory, but I’m not sure it’s the hardest thing to fake if people are looking for it.

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She was a bit less memier in that game, but her posting did feel pretty smooth to me there.

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She was a bit less memier in that game

than I remembered

, but her posting did feel pretty smooth to me there.

EBWOP

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Yeah I probably didn’t read the game in enough depth to have a real opinion

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@TGP Why were my meme posts towny?

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I get it, I was following that game and it was pretty rough. It would be cool if you could focus more on this game though.

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Gloria, this may be a conversation for that thread but you were one of the only ones keeping the game going to begin with

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Fwiw, I did scumread pooky in hideyoshi. I think the difference is tone—as scum they tend to be more aggressive and have a harsher tone. Here pooky is happy and gives me the sense they want to be here, which I think is towny.

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Fwiw, I did scumread pooky in hideyoshi. I think the difference is tone—as scum they tend to be more aggressive and have a harsher tone. Here pooky is happy and gives me the sense they want to be here, which I think is towny.

Yeah but he was kind’ve aggressive in Death Scroll and he was town in that and he was completely miserable for most of that game. I agree him being happy is probably a towntell though but I would probably wrongly have scumlocked him in Death Curse after this. :/

Huh, good to know.

[Infinity 324]

Tweetie can you not hear my heart sing out with joy in this game?

i think it's noteworthy that you're placing so much emphasis Isis' ability to read you, which if true seems like a poor move if you're scum

you radiate positive energy but that's your character, Pooky! (´･ω･`)

Fwiw, I did scumread pooky in hideyoshi. I think the difference is tone—as scum they tend to be more aggressive and have a harsher tone. Here pooky is happy and gives me the sense they want to be here, which I think is towny.

I think he does but it's tricky because he can do that as town -- he shifted into playing aggressively at the beginning of Death Scroll with LLD for a little while. and then he was sort of "harsh" to taylor/murder in the middle (although it was distinctly towny there IMO, i'd call it more "prickly"). From what i gather, the aggressiveness was Pooky's older playstyle

but it fits with his scum motto of "take control of the game".. which Pooky hasn't done yet here. he just seems happy. Hm hm hm

This feels like a townpost, the first part mindmelded with me and the second part is solvy.

[Infinity 324]

Ydrasse is my new strongest TR but I'm gonna be intentionally mysterious about it.

Like this?

Ydrasse is...



wait for it




wait for it

my new strongest townread

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We have a worryingly large townbloc for so early on but ehh

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It means there’s likely scum in the townbloc.

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It means there’s likely scum in the townbloc.

Size and Quality are different things

btw who are you defining as part of the townbloc right now?

Me, you, isis, ydrasse, hopkirk, jessie

Ok it’s not as big as I thought, I’m probably just projecting because I’m getting townvibes from a bunch of people

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We have a worryingly large townbloc for so early on but ehh

This seems to be a strange thing to worry about

It means there’s likely scum in the townbloc.

If infinity flips red here this might mean our entire townbloc is green

God, I’m actually paranoid enough to be worried about this. I just wish someone other than Pooky had made this post and the reason is his paranoia on Isis, who seems pretty obviously town.

Isis has gotten townier since I last talked about her, though I still think memes aren’t

super

AI but w/e

[Infinity 324]

It means there’s likely scum in the townbloc.

Size and Quality are different things

btw who are you defining as part of the townbloc right now?

Me, you, isis, ydrasse, hopkirk, jessie

Ok it’s not as big as I thought, I’m probably just projecting because I’m getting townvibes from a bunch of people

Why isn’t MT in there? Oh sorry, when did you put Isis into your townblock, because I think I missed it?

That’s not

my

townbloc per se it’s just some people who I thought were getting some townreads

[Infinity 324]

Do you have any wolfreads Gloria?
Even if they're not as strong as townreads they're good for the gamestate
and they're harder for scum than townreads so it helps me to nag you about having them

Hectic's new philosophy for solving me is that when I don't post pics of my cats in the game thread I probably have been posting them in the scum PT.

If this becomes enforced meta for me the end result is more people seeing how cute my cats are so it's prolly just all upside

Ydrasse is my new strongest TR but I'm gonna be intentionally mysterious about it.

I got townvibes from these posts.

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Lol I was memeing since she hasn’t posted cat pics this game

It felt like a natural reaction in a situation where scum is a bit more likely to be awkward.

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What felt like a natural reaction?

301

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301

301 felt like a natural reaction to what?

why did it feel natural?

It felt like a natural reaction to having your meta be talked about. I’m not really sure why, I think scum may have felt the need to self-meta directly in order to look town. Idk

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371 was the biggest reason I started to TR isis honestly. I was getting townvibes from ydrasse at the same time, and I TR people switching from memeing to solving in a natural way, since fake solving is more serious (and further away from memeing) than real solving.

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It felt like a natural reaction to having your meta be talked about. I’m not really sure why, I think scum may have felt the need to self-meta directly in order to look town. Idk

Why is that reaction a natural reaction to having your meta be talked about?

I’m doing my best to explain it ._.

I think it’s cause it’s adjacent to the topic being discussed. Town is likely to not feel the need to address it head-on, so they say whatever thought comes to their mind.

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Me too

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@Infi

It feels like you just made something up and now are struggling to justify it because it wasn't a real thought to begin with.

Nah

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ok when I said I had a mysterious townread on Ydrasse everyone was supposed to go "Isis you're so alluring and intriguing please shed enough mystique to show us" so that I get to talk about I wasn't supposed to get strangely townread with no curiousity what is this

Isis you’re so alluring and intriguing please shed enough mystique to show us

@pooky Explain your Gloria read?

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Scum!isis makes me go “what?” or “ehh that kinda makes sense” a lot

Given that, I like the above read.

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Jessie is widely townread?

I think I saw a couple townreads on them at least

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Skitter, thoughts on dunn/hopkirk? I’m getting a “not sure whether the superficially scummy thing is scum, or the person pointing it out is scum, or neither” since hopkirk has a bunch of consensus-y reads. Initial thoughts are T/T but I’m not sure.

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i'm not sure what the right words are, but the whole interaction felt kinda fake? like i don't understand hopkirk's reads but dunn doesn't go into that part and instead in that convo there's more 'meat' to the part where they're discussing hectic's modding history, if that makes sense

so like on both ends it felt weird

To me, dunn feels like a player who’s more comfortable with mechanics/fact-based things than describing reads, so I don’t think that’s

super

out of character? Tbf I can’t particularly read dunn, but the push felt like it was motivated by moving the game forward, and I got townvibes from hopkirk’s defense.

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How is that relevant?

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I like the couple of posts where ydrasse explained her scum self to me -- 363 especially. im a sucker for self meta and it felt like she was explaining something that made sense to her although i didnt quite understand

ehhhh i can see it i guess

Really? That feels like a good angle for scum to fake tbh

[Infinity 324]

i think gloria purporting that she is isn't scummy and sort of being defensive about it is towny. Particularly the "are you even reading?" part. like it's really obvious to her. From what i gather, Hopkirk is arguing that she seems different from death scroll, and she responded that because Pooky is TRing her, that read is invalid

I agree.

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Honestly it feels like in hideyoshi when she was upset with shelly/bulge for considering her as scum when she saw herself (rightfully) as obvtown

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honestly, i can see y mt liked that post - the thought itself isn't inherently townie, but the way she said it had a townie lack of inhibition / lack of self-consciousness / stream of conscious babble to it

How is that different from what isis pointed out in 479? I think what isis is talking about there is at least related to the idea of stream-of-consciousness.

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Hmm. Do you have a hot-take read?

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i... am not vibing a lot with hopkirk's posting

like, he's mad cute but his posting doesn't inspire much joy + i feel his positioning around skitter in this sort of "null town land but also maybe scum" just... doesn't seem good.

Ehh I can relate to the idea that scum are often null town, happens to me a lot

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really?

Yeah. My strong TRs are rarely wrong, but scum are usually able to give off some townvibes for me. (Matrix decipher is a perfect example of this for people who were in that game)

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I’m trying to deal with the fact that I often have too many townreads in games, and I’m wondering if questioning my townreads early before a wrong read gets solidified will help with that. I’m also affected by what happened in deaths curse.

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Is (or was) your concern that the thread overall had too many townreads, or just that you yourself do?

I think I was projecting my concern about having too many townreads onto the thread, even though I shouldn’t really be worried about others’ townreads as this stage. I did see a bunch of townreads being thrown out but that’s probably not what I was worried about deep down.

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Yeah but why does scum!Infinity voice that unhappiness? surely it'd be leagues better to like, attack the townreads directly rather than just voice dissatisfaction with it

maybe he felt better to pump the brakes and express distrust rather than attack someone specifically?

I would've been way happier with him if he had actually pointed to someone being townread by everyone that seemed to him that they shouldn't be town-read rather than a general statement of dissatisfaction.

But that was the problem, they seemed like good reads to me. But when I have a TR on most/all active players usually something’s wrong.

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Why is gypyx town?

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VOTE: skitter

Skitter’s been bothering me and maybe if I vote with isis it’ll actually go somewhere

Why is 413 a townpost jessie?

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VOTE: skitter

Skitter’s been bothering me and maybe if I vote with isis it’ll actually go somewhere

Why is 413 a townpost jessie?

Can you tell me why?

I guess it’s cause she hasn’t really done anything town.

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Isis looking at broad strokes instead of nitpicking and doing stream-of-consciousness are towntells for her from what I’ve seen

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725 felt like it was trying to convince me, meaning TGP is likely town or they and gypyx are scumbuddies, probably the former.

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pooky can you answer this too. or anyone else who is around.

please.

I had to ISO you to remember, but you seem to have issues with hopkirk and I’m not sure what you think of skitter. You’re kinda talking about her like she’s towny though.

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hm as scum maybe I disproportionately emulate my favorite parts of my towngame instead of all of my towngame

This is probably it. I do like the way you single out specific posts as town, but as scum you do it out-of-context and it makes less sense from what I’ve seen.

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I finished catching up and I agree with TGP's defense of Gypyx not making enough sense, in a scummy way. I like Jessie's version a lot better.

I felt like they really wanted me to believe gypyx was town, what do you think?

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It’s pretty clearly written in a way that looks like it’s trying to convince me, which scum!TGP doesn’t have a ton of motivation to do on a townie. I don’t find that scum tend to fake “I’m trying to convince you that this townie is town”

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It’s pretty clearly written in a way that looks like it’s trying to convince me, which scum!TGP doesn’t have a ton of motivation to do on a townie. I don’t find that scum tend to fake “I’m trying to convince you that this townie is town”

I think I understand your point now. Like the use of again with a hyphen with it for creating the impression of thoroughness instead of transparently sharing all they have to share and letting the volume speak for its voluminousness.

I agree that's something that's scummy on balance but "lukewarm takes are usually scummy" is what's actually speaking to me.

I’m not sure you understand—I’m trying to argue that TGP is towny. Scum defending town tend to say “I have a townread on x person” and explain their logic sufficiently so that it looks like a real read. TGP is trying to go further than that. They really want people to believe gypyx is town, which is town-indicative or possibly scumbuddy indicative. I agree that it’s less of a “here are my thoughts” type post but I actually think that’s towny here for that reason.

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Hmm, I guess scum towncasing townies is just not something I see a ton. A decent amount of this read is gut too, I get a vibe of “I want you to believe gypyx is town” from TGP

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That’s just a personality trait of mine I guess. I’m bad at articulating my feelings, and sometimes if I push myself I can put things into words but often not.

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Perfect timing, do you want to explain how isis is “disguising” how she’s not committing to anything? Because that seems pretty apparent in her post.

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She didn’t hedge on her ydrasse read

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pedit int he like 8 reads she gave in those two posts she hedged on nearly all of them

Fair, but she directed a lot of focus towards slots that haven’t posted a lot and are difficult to get a solid read on (gypyx, dunn, tgp, jessie)

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I think TGP focused on gypyx because they’ve played with gypyx and others (I think) haven’t, and they wanted to contribute what they knew best.

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Lol flea is town. TGP is at E-1 btw.

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this playerlist is amazing.

I agree I’m enjoying playing with y’all

Also I got it wrong TGP is only at E-2

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Would you have a problem with someone at E-1 at this point jessie?

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leave hoppy alone

if you could look at 575 and explain it in the context of the skitter/hopkirk interactions surrounding it to me i think that would be productive.

to me it feels like, if i think of each of their statements to eachother in that time period as certain colors, and then close my eyes and try to put them in the right order it comes out differently from how it is

or if it was like tennis it feels like 575 is hopkirk attempting to serve while skitter has the ball

I think 575 was like, “I know you wanted to engage with me, I have to go now here’s when I can do it in real time”. I think hopkirk saw skitter posting and didn’t want her to be confused when he left for a bit.

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I feel like if I had to explain why I townread Flea I would be profoundly embarrassed yet feel I had not right to be embarrassed, like a parent who is asked about their favorite piece of art in all the world, and has to pull a sheet of paper covered in glitter, stickers, and fingerpaint off the front of the fridge because anything else would be dishonest

<3 this post

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leave hoppy alone

if you could look at 575 and explain it in the context of the skitter/hopkirk interactions surrounding it to me i think that would be productive.

to me it feels like, if i think of each of their statements to eachother in that time period as certain colors, and then close my eyes and try to put them in the right order it comes out differently from how it is

or if it was like tennis it feels like 575 is hopkirk attempting to serve while skitter has the ball

I think 575 was like, “I know you wanted to engage with me, I have to go now here’s when I can do it in real time”. I think hopkirk saw skitter posting and didn’t want her to be confused when he left for a bit.

@jessie

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@jessie

hm. so like a preemptive don't be suspicious of me leaving if you are about to respond to me, i will be back shortly?

Yeah, when I’m posting at the same time as someone else I’ll expect to be able to interact with them in real time and I’ll be (not necessarily suspicious, but) confused when they leave. Hopkirk probably expected skitter to respond so he explained why he wouldn’t be able to respond back right away.

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I want a lot more from her.

i don't really enjoy/vibe super well with all the cutesy memey stuff that's been posted, and it makes it hard for me to interact with the game, esp. when there's like 20 pages of it
when there's more content and stuff that i wanna interact with i'll do more

I wonder if she was talking about this

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isis i don't really like your push on me, it's shallow and it feels like you're pushing it because you want to almost, and not necessarily because you actually believe it

Man you keep saying stuff wrt isis that’s like “I can see how this could appear true on the surface but...no”. I can’t tell whether it’s towny OMGUS bias or you’re just making up shit to throw back at her

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isis i don't really like your push on me, it's shallow and it feels like you're pushing it because you want to almost, and not necessarily because you actually believe it

Man you keep saying stuff wrt isis that’s like “I can see how this could appear true on the surface but...no”. I can’t tell whether it’s towny OMGUS bias or you’re just making up shit to throw back at her

it's an awful and shallow push and i think she should at best know better. more than that she just wants to say things and then not engage with me on it

idk what u mean by 'i can see how this could appear true on the surface but no' bit

pedit also gloria i'm now thinking tht my initial alt guess is incorrect, and i think you're someone else now

It’s like, it looks like you could get other people to believe that but don’t believe it yourself. Maybe it’s BoP. I just don’t see where you’re getting “isis doesn’t seem like she believes in it”

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like it seemed like gloria was saying i want to hammer to me, like encouraging you to put to e-1, and then saying that she would put to e-1 and you could hammer

i didn't get the vibe that we were imminently having hammer, but maybe that was an in-the-moment sort of thing

~

also infinity i get annoyed when people scumread me for dumb reasons. what does isis's push boil down to even? that she doesn't like my objection to her reasoning for her ydrasse read (which is nai for me) and my response to her push on me (which she declined to really engage with ...)? she's been voting me for the vast majority of the game, but isn't really trying to sort me

Can you explain how my reasons are better?

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Can you explain how my reasons are better?

aren't your reasons 'you don't look like town yet'

idk it's bad but i get that a lot and doesn't bother me as much

Ok but the things I’ve been pushing/questioning you on are similar to why isis is voting you.

Like I’m imagining in skitter’s mind “She was being indecisive a bit, people may agree if I say isis doesn’t look like she believes this push!” Like I can see how things you’re saying could superficially be true about isis’s posts but then I read the posts and I strongly disagree.

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ok i strongly disagree with u then cuz i think her push on me is really shallow

and are u basically saying that you think i may be scum trying to see if i can throw something semi-plausible at isis to see if i can get something to stick that people might believe?

Yeah. Or at least, people believe that your SR on isis is real.

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I don’t like answering “why would I do x as scum” questions because scum can have a lot of motivations for things, and I’m not arrogant enough to think I can get inside your head completely. Point is, your arguments feel superficial and didn’t feel like you were really trying to analyze isis’s motivations.

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Ok but the things I’ve been pushing/questioning you on are similar to why isis is voting you.

and no, not really either

And I’m pretty sure this is true? Like I questioned you about the isis post on ydrasse, isis brought that up as a reason to SR you. I didn’t like that you called isis out for hedging on the slots she did, neither did she. They’re at least similar reasons and I want to know what about them is different to you.

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Skitter has strong arguments but doesn’t ~feel~ right

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MT, quick gut take: how +town is the gypyx defense for TGP?

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What motivated you to ISO/re-evaluate TGP?

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VOTE: MT not really a fan of you dancing around this wagon.

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VOTE: MT not really a fan of you dancing around this wagon.

You think that im dancing around the wagon because..?

Because you are? Your posts read like scum who previously had a townread on TGP and is trying to justify a vote there.

I feel like the hammer talk could’ve been a reason why TGP accepted their death so early. Why did you think that was scum-indicative?

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If you’re doubting yourself just because a bunch of people disagree with you, you don’t have to! It’s also ok to not have made up your mind on a top wagon given the amount of content TGP has. You don’t have to vote or defend them.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: skitter

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I’d be impressed by gloria’s “I’m so obvtown” act is she’s scum since she’s...not obvtown.

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I agree, but this act has been going on for a while and she hasn’t been obvtown before that. I do think it’s +town for gloria no matter which way you slice it.

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Oooo I missed that one...

Infinity, whats your thoughts on my claiming hammer intent, on Jessies unvote, Glorias shenanigans and the talk between me and Jessie?

Hm? I thought it was a bit early for intent, but I also wondered if jessie’s cautiousness was scummy. Gloria looked like she was joking. Only reason I brought it up is cause TGP could’ve interpreted that as “I’m definitely dying today”

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VOTE: MT not really a fan of you dancing around this wagon.

Dafuq, that’s ubertownie? She’s re-evaluating based on possibly new info which is exactly what you expect town to do. Between Jessie sr me for not posting every single goddamned thought and now this, I almost wonder if I’m being punk’d here.

Ok, I did want to talk about this cause I’m still not sure on MT. Yes town re-evaluates based on new information, but there didn’t really seem to be any new information that MT was taking into account. Yes town can go back and ISO someone, but it didn’t seem particularly motivated to me. Scum opportunism seemed like a likely reason to re-evaluate there. Yeah personality could be another reason, but my gut is still kinda bothered by it.

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The way she says it makes me really want to believe her.

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I scumread TGP's lay-down-and-die act because it seemed so premature. I don't scumread making a show of the last will-and-testament process per se, that can be theatrics or just townies actually do that as they go out, but assessing the point of no return has passed way sooner than it actually has can be a kind of Freudian confession they deserve to get limmed. Hectic was like super sure he'd get D1 paralyzed in Nightmare when I knew he'd get out of it. There's great examples that don't involve Hectic but it's extra fun to use examples that directly involve Hectic cause he can't comment on him. Don't we have a great mod?

Infinity, Tweetie fretfluttering in circles about it was about what I would expert her to do and I didn't really understand you giving her grief about it. Does scum!Tweet need to do gymnastics to be in a position where she can vote town!TGP when TGP is laying down and not fighting it? I agree with Gloria that it looked towny. Considering it will probably go through with or without her, wanting to sort them seems like a town sense of inherent responsibility to assent or dissent about each choice we make.

Maybe it was just bad takes with infinity at 5am? I’m not sure. I’m not 100% sure why she would do that as scum but she may have just been overly concerned with appearances. Her describing that it’s just her personality made me feel a bit better about it though.

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Nah, never played with her before

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Oooo I missed that one...

Infinity, whats your thoughts on my claiming hammer intent, on Jessies unvote, Glorias shenanigans and the talk between me and Jessie?

Hm? I thought it was a bit early for intent, but I also wondered if jessie’s cautiousness was scummy. Gloria looked like she was joking. Only reason I brought it up is cause TGP could’ve interpreted that as “I’m definitely dying today”

5 days to go before deadline and I'd made it clear I'd no intention of an early hammer.
To my knowledge that was the best action for me at that point, a slot I'm fine with eliminating and would be happy voting, but not wanting to slap the hammer down prematurely and deny talk time.

Anything on me and jessies interactions?

Right, another thing I was wondering about jessie was whether she was being overdefensive in a scummy way, but I decided on no and I’m not really sure why. That may mean I got townvibes from the earnestness of her defense. Idk.

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Hopkirk, what are your non-townreads atm? I’m also feeling the too-many-TRs thing

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In a game where there isn’t confirmed to be a jester, I’d expect jesters to act way way more scummy that TGP/gypyx are here and I’d also not expect one to claim as a joke because it puts the idea into people’s heads.

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TGP has shown willingness to dedicate time to the game with a few of the posts and is just being shonky.

it explains gypyx posting the 'catchup time' post and then not catching up. it explains thegoldenparadox dedicating so much of their iso to tying themselves to gypyx. it feels like maybe not the very best way to orchestrate a day one dual jester plan but it definitely feels like a way and it explains all of the oddities of the game to me. i think there is a pretty good chance they are aligned jesters.

pooky please unvote just believe in me for a second

I think Jessie is town. This isn’t something scum usually say.

If she’s scum, she’s doing stuff that scum usually doesn’t do to get townreads. I agree that it’s pretty unlikely scum would take that angle.

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TGP has shown willingness to dedicate time to the game with a few of the posts and is just being shonky.

it explains gypyx posting the 'catchup time' post and then not catching up. it explains thegoldenparadox dedicating so much of their iso to tying themselves to gypyx. it feels like maybe not the very best way to orchestrate a day one dual jester plan but it definitely feels like a way and it explains all of the oddities of the game to me. i think there is a pretty good chance they are aligned jesters.

Ok nvm jessie is just town

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Isis points out that mafia can be worried about losing to jesters too. Right. But jessie says she wasn’t worried about them ending the game. Jessie, what was worrying about the jester thing if it wouldn’t end the game?

Skitter my vote has been on you for a while

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I feel like there is a significant element of playstyle difference here no matter both of your alignments and it’s kind of difficult to parse out.

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you realize this is basically what i'm saying wrt isis, right?

Who did isis re-evaluate?

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Skitter’s posts make my stomach wriggle and squirm and do somersaults. From past experience, this correlates with a high likelihood that she is a member of the mafia.

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Why are me and hopkirk town?

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Why are me and hopkirk town?

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TGP can you try to put some of your feelings into words? It’s difficult and I struggle with it too, but I keep getting townpings from your posts and I don’t want you to get mislimmed. I think I’ve seen you be solvy before (boardgames) so try to channel that energy.

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Ok, I did want to talk about this cause I’m still not sure on MT. Yes town re-evaluates based on new information, but there didn’t really seem to be any new information that MT was taking into account. Yes town can go back and ISO someone, but it didn’t seem particularly motivated to me. Scum opportunism seemed like a likely reason to re-evaluate there. Yeah personality could be another reason, but my gut is still kinda bothered by it.

why don't I seem motivated to you? (ノ﹏ヽ)

You do seem motivated! It’s just I couldn’t see the motivation to re-ISO TGP at first.

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@Scum don’t you dare try to get on the TGP counterwagon now

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Where'd you get this picture of my brain!?!

LOL

As for jessie, I agree that she's tough to read. Wrt skitter/hopkirk, I think she meant that skitter is likely town, but if she's scum she's likely a hopkirk partner. 712 and 722 are where she talks about her gypyx townread. That makes me think, 934 seems like a towny post since she's proud of her gypyx read.

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I get that 934 seemed out of place, looks like jessie misinterpreted your post, but I think the feeling of “you dismissed my read that I felt strongly about” is a genuine emotion that scum wouldn’t think to fake.

PEdit: I’m not nervous cause I know it will be fun to read!

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Skitter’s posts make my stomach wriggle and squirm and do somersaults. From past experience, this correlates with a high likelihood that she is a member of the mafia.

i have no idea what this means!
and as far as i know you don't *have* any prior experience with me being a member of the mafia

Not you, but in general when I get that feeling about someone’s posts it means they’re scum.

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Forgot to ask @MT, skitter why is scum less likely to freak out about a jester?

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i ... just don't see scum reacting that way to that thought

I’m not sure why scum and town would have different motivations wrt the jester thing?

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Pooky can you explain your SR on TGP?

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i'm sorry i don't understand why everyone thinks i've lost my dunn scumread they're still a scumlean

I think it makes a lot of sense to re-evaluate the strength of a read mid-late d1 because you need more evidence for reads later in the day. It’s happened with a few of my townreads, I didn’t say it cause I didn’t feel the need to.

I’ll respond to pooky and try to squeeze out a few points against skitter tomorrow.

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Where did they re-evaluate? Please link/quote those posts for me because I couldn’t find them.

I mean, it’s not articulated well (1226, 1266), but TGP very much gives off the vibe of a townie who has trouble articulating their thoughts. My TR on them is largely gut, and I’m just trying to convince y’all of what I feel.

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Also:

I feel like gypyx gets scumread far too often as town, and is a generally LHF type player, who i didn't want to see limmed because of how obvtown he was to me

This is a towny thought and very relatable to what I’m going through right now.

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Fair enough.

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They*

Also their towncase on gypyx happened a while ago.

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she’s not acting like I would expect town!her to act

I don’t believe either of us ever said this? I have no completed games with skitter. I’ll talk about the read some more tomorrow morning.

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Truth is, I am a bit? It’s not enough to change my read on them though, because the rest of their stuff screams town to me. (This is wine but) it wouldn’t be too hard to justify a skitter vote better than they did.

PEdit: it means people whose posts make my gut squirm tend to be scum

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Yeah, I considered that. It just seems like an odd time to try to pocket me, since I was already TRing them and pushing skitter. Like, what were they hoping to gain from home, a better defense? When they know I struggle to articulate my gut?

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I think they're good at scum

If this is true, it doesn't really fit with their play this game? Wine isn't a good explanation here imo. If you think scum!TGP can come up with a good explanation for voting skitter there, they would've done so.

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UNVOTE: I'm getting the feeling I get when I have a wrong scumread

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UNVOTE: I'm getting the feeling I get when I have a wrong scumread

I looked over skitter’s ISO trying to case her, and all the reasons I was going to give felt like a stretch. That’s why I said this. I’m not feeling great today, and I really don’t have the energy to towncase TGP much less try to start another wagon. So I have no idea what to do. I still think skitter is slightly more likely to flip scum than TGP, but given that skitter is currently being nommed for paragon I guess TGP is a better elim. If a better wagon pops up I’ll vote there, but I’m probably going to save my energy for the second half of the day to re-evaluate some of the slots I haven’t focused on a ton: {hopkirk, dunn, pooky, ydrasse, MT}

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I don’t have energy to argue with you about this right now, but I’m interested in talking about other reads. Who’s scum outside of {dunn, TGP, gypyx}

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Yeah I want to go into that a bit. It’s really unlikely that the scum is all the less active players/players who aren’t “fitting in” so much. So I’m wondering if you have any suspicions for scum inside the townbloc. Any strong scum players you know of that could’ve gotten townreads early? It’s funny that MT wrote 567, because I actually think it applies to her pretty well (that’s part of why I kinda went after her earlier). I kinda shelved my townbloc concerns earlier, but I feel like it could become a real issue soon, especially if TGP flips town. So I wanted to open up the conversation to everyone again.

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I get the TMI thing a lot, it’s an unfortunate result of being a gut-based player. But that’s an acceptable answer.

It’s a silly reason, but I still feel like dunn is >rand scum gut from taylor not engaging me on game-relevant content.

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How do you read dunn?

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I’d be interested in what you have to say about skitter

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Yeah when I go through someone’s ISO trying to case them and can’t find good reasons it usually means they’re town. Though I don’t have anything else, so if you expect me to convince you of town!skitt, then I can’t. Hopefully she obvtowns it up later.

VOTE: dunnstral let’s try this

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@gloria Why the hell does scum!tgp care about your read on gypyx? That’s what read towny to me about it actually, the fact that they were not just worried about surviving but also people caring about their reads.

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infintiy are you scum

Being scum is mean, I would never be scum.

infinity do you not think its weird af that TGP would care about us caring about TGP's reads when we don't think they are very good and we are about to yeet TGP for not having reads that make much sense or are backed up by good reasons?

Like why would TGP dying make us think their reads are any better?

Huh? The point is that they want you to not think the reads are bad and to listen to them.

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infinity the word infiniy is like all the positive intergers ardded together
but 324 is 2^2*3^3
which is diferent from rah rah rah multiply alll the naturals ever and make infinity
it makes me sus youuuuu

Shit you got me

In my defense, 324 basically has an infinite number of factors

do you get what I'm saying?

If I think a player has bad reads, them flipping green isn't going to make me think those reads are any better.

it feels like TGP is trying to set up some random wifom nonsense for us when they flip red.

It’s the emotional reaction to people dismissing their reads that gets me though. Yeah people don’t listen to dead people’s reads (and maybe they should more!) but dying townies often expect/want people to listen to their reads.

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@gloria Why the hell does scum!tgp care about your read on gypyx? That’s what read towny to me about it actually, the fact that they were not just worried about surviving but also people caring about their reads.

I’m still trying to figure that out but I think their reaction to what I said is way over the top. They were hard tr Shelley in Hideyoshi and while they strongly pushed that read, it didn’t feel either manipulative nor over the top. ISO them in that game and tell me the way they’re expressing their strong trs in both games is the same.

They had some doubts about the shelly TR, also that game was dead.

PEdit: look who it is

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is he TMIing TGP town?

so confusing lol

First he tries to push you, then he makes post #1461, where he clearly tr you. I don’t think this is ever a townie response.

How does that imply a TR on pooky?

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1461 repeats what pooky has said, and is at least disagreeing with what pooky is doing (i.e. voting dunn before TGP). I’m confused how that implies a townread.

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If dunn is town and scumreads TGP, that seems like a pretty reasonable thing to want

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Tinfoil: pooky is scum with TGP and wanted to tie TGP to a townie but now realizes they can elim dunn first instead. Hmm.

UNVOTE:

PEdit: I mean yeah, but dunn said he was gonna do some more solving in the second half.

@Flea TMI= too much information, when you say something you could only know if you are scum.

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Tinfoil: pooky is scum with TGP and wanted to tie TGP to a townie but now realizes they can elim dunn first instead. Hmm.

UNVOTE:

PEdit: I mean yeah, but dunn said he was gonna do some more solving in the second half.

@Flea TMI= too much information, when you say something you could only know if you are scum.

So you think we should flip TGP first then? I’m not opposed, I just really hated Dunn’s recent posts.

I’m thinking about it. I still feel like TGP is much townier on play, but both their counterwagons got quite a bit more traction that I expected. Given that the reasons for scumreading dunn here really felt like stretches, I’m officially weirded out. Hopkirk dropping the dunn vote and dipping out bothers me as well.

PEdit: MT I totally agree with you

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Honestly it was mostly PoE for me. But I got weirded out by everyone piling onto dunn for what I thought were weak reasons. Can you read the last couple pages and lmk what you think about people's dunn votes?

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VOTE: tgp ok

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Who’s scum outside of {hopkirk, TGP, dunn, gypyx}?

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Doesn’t it bother you that everyone’s scumpool is the less active players?

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She’s already voting TGP, do

you

want to hammer?

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It doesn’t help him disprove that theory, but it does help him flip scum, which is a town thing to want.

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VOTE: pooky I’ll talk about this a bit later, but I saw some scum!pooky aggression with their push on dunn before the elim. I also am not sure why they weren’t more concerned about a TGP elim given the above theory since it implies that TGP is town.

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VOTE: tgp ok

Why did you vote a slot you hard, hard townread? I'll try to remember to delete this if it gets answered later in my catchup.
No, it's pretty mysterious. Why? Do you have skitter as locktown? It's still hard to follow with how strong you represented the TGP townread.
This bugs me no matter what TGP flips here

I never expected the dunn wagon to go through. The dunn vote was mostly to see how much resistance it got. If it got a couple votes, then people moved to hammer TGP, that would make dunn more likely to be scum. But the fact that a bunch of people all got onto dunn, including hopkirk who hasn't been around, and pooky who started to remind me of their scumgame, it weirded me the hell out and I start to doubt myself. The most likely scenario in my head was still that both wagons were town, but I definitely had a had time seeing scum!dunn and town!tgp. TGP was also a super high reward wagon if it flipped scum, since that would imply skitter!town and dunn!town and potentially pooky!scum.

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Spoiler: pooky quotes

I'm town though, and everyone hopping off of tgp here looks quite bad?

We have two elims today.

artificial reaction

sounds like you know what TGP will flip

sounds like you know what TGP will flip

I have my reasons for voting him, they're in my iso

Lol why are you changing topic buddy?

When you use this argument, you invalidate your previous one

as long as you flip red i could care less which argument was right

mb tgp is green and dunn is caught for the wrong reasons scum

his reaction right now is terrible

and he called isis sweaty

lets just send him packing

I didn't actually have too much else to say about pooky. But here were the places where I think they were oddly aggressive and reminded me of scum!them. I just want pooky to explain their thought process behind the tgp/dunn thing, where they started to think TGP might be town, and what a red flip from TGP would imply.

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I actually think I’ve seen dunn do more in scumganes than town games generally. I don’t think lurking is scummy at all for him.

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You SR him for not doing enough. Close enough.

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I thought you implied it in 1633 but fair enough.

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Hmm ok. Can you quote some examples of not-solvy posts?

I felt some earnestness from his response to pooky’s push, and I have a hard time believing the dunn wagons forms as fast as it did if he’s scum and TGP is town.

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It’s more that scum would almost never vote dunn in that situation, and statistically there’s very likely at least one scum on that wagon (of 5 at its height, I believe)

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I just want pooky to explain their thought process behind the tgp/dunn thing, where they started to think TGP might be town, and what a red flip from TGP would imply.

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It’s more that scum would almost never vote dunn in that situation, and statistically there’s very likely at least one scum on that wagon (of 5 at its height, I believe)

Statistically, scum is far more likely to be on TOWN!TGP wagon, since there was heavy resistance to Dunn. Why would scum try to derail a wagon on TGP? That makes absolutely no sense.

The probability of a given set of 4 people currently alive having at least 1 scum (assuming 3 scum total) is about 75%. If dunn is scum, scum are just as likely to vote dunn or TGP since it doesn’t matter to them who gets limmed. If dunn is scum, scum would almost never vote dunn. Since 4 people excluding myself voted dunn, that group is likely to have at least 1 scum, so dunn is likely town.

Also yeah, there was almost no resistance to dunn.

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I mean why

wouldn't

they? I can think of a few reasons why they would vote dunn there: it fits with their reads, they think TGP will be easier to mislim later, they think dunn could be more of a threat to scum, etc. Point being, they certainly wouldn't vote dunn if dunn was scum.

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Spoiler: isis progression on me

The discussion around the infinity comment made me realize shading a townblock for size without picking anyone can like, benefit scum without putting oneself in harm's way and that make sense. I wonder if that's getting to become too much of the game at this point.

otoh I think you want me to understand why you believe TGP is town but I don't get a vibe of "I want Isis to believe TGP is town"

Infinity, Tweetie fretfluttering in circles about it was about what I would expert her to do and I didn't really understand you giving her grief about it. Does scum!Tweet need to do gymnastics to be in a position where she can vote town!TGP when TGP is laying down and not fighting it? I agree with Gloria that it looked towny. Considering it will probably go through with or without her, wanting to sort them seems like a town sense of inherent responsibility to assent or dissent about each choice we make.

In a way I think of you as a strong player who could be infiltrator of the townbloc Infinity >_< . I keep feeling like I'm arguing with a chalkboard with the way you're reading TGP, which makes it seem like a TMI townread. But at the same time a lot of your posts have a townie construction to them. In the end I generally prefer the independent read to the associative read.. I tried something different in a marathon game today and it really backfired.. sorry Pooky So I'm probably going to sort you town for now.

I don't know if this is relevant to much (@skitter?), but I found this paranoia progression from isis to be very towny.

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I just gave 3 reasons why scum might vote dunn in that situation.

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I think we’re talking past each other so let’s work through this.

We have 4 possibilities:
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is scum: we both agree this is unlikely
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is town: I think this is the most likely scenario
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is scum: you think this is the most likely scenario, but I’m not convinced; it requires 4 players other than me to all be town, which is unlikely just by probability
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is town: also a possibility but unlikely by probability

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You might be right that the act of voting dunn when town!TGP is getting run up is more likely to come from town, but the point still stands that a group of 4 players (fmpov) is likely to have 1 scum without mechanical evidence.

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I mean. It’s not that you weren’t “aggressive” enough against dunn, it’s that you weren’t trying to stop a TGP elim in any way.

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But you were ok with both elims :/

Yeah I’ll rethink some stuff when I wake up

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I’m pretty sure this is T/T

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I also think jessie could be right that there could be mechanical guilties, but it’s fine to assume otherwise since we don’t really know. Like yes, I know we are not playing mountainous double day but since we don’t know what the twist is, I think it’s reasonable to play as though it is mountainous double day.

That said: UNVOTE: pooky did feel genuine in our interaction. I need to do some ISOs

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Flea is still locktown from page 36

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1752 is a townpost. ISO'd ydrasse and she's still town.

I have a different paranoia where I remember how many times Hectic has joked to me about running all VT games lol

Is it too early to start seriously worrying about this?

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something about this gamestate just isn’t right... somethings shifted....

Talk to me about this

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VOTE: hectic

Or are we supposed to do this

There is no conspiracy

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I could see Hectic running a game that's initially all VT.
Then we vote two people out.
Then they want revenge and pick scum or something.

Yeah there’s no mid game alignment changes though.

I want to trust my instincts enough to say that the fact that I have a shit ton of strong townreads means something about the setup, but I can’t think of anything that makes sense.

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I hope you’re all right!

I was hoping other people found the scum while I pondered the setup, but everyone seems to be in the same position as me. I’m gonna enter the “isosphere” tonight hopefully.

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VOTE: hopkirk I don't feel like doing ISOs rn but wagon time

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Solid town: isis, flea, ydrasse, dunn, jessie
Town ig: pooky, skitter, gloria, MT
Town because I want to trust TGP's read on him but should probably be in the PoE: gypyx
I got a few townvibes: hopkirk

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He was a lot less towny when I voted him, lol

I thought his response to pooky’s pressure yesterday and your pressure today was towny, plus the thing with the wagons that makes sense in my head.

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Spoiler:

caught for the wrong reasons scum

When you use this argument, you invalidate your previous one

sounds like you know what TGP will flip

I have my reasons for voting him, they're in my iso

Lol why are you changing topic buddy?

mb tgp is green and dunn is caught for the wrong reasons scum

his reaction right now is terrible

and he called isis sweaty

lets just send him packing

What is a towny reaction then?

im not here to teach you how to play your red pm

When you use this argument, you invalidate your previous one

as long as you flip red i could care less which argument was right

These posts all feel over the top/trying to push it through

While trying to make me look bad and dodging explanations

I'm also town, is the thing

I think we’re talking past each other so let’s work through this.

We have 4 possibilities:
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is scum: we both agree this is unlikely
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is town: I think this is the most likely scenario
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is scum: you think this is the most likely scenario, but I’m not convinced; it requires 4 players other than me to all be town, which is unlikely just by probability
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is town: also a possibility but unlikely by probability

Too much on probablility here

There was never really a case against me in the first place, it doesn't really matter whether it was town or scum that jumped on me (though I agree it's unlikely that they were all town)

Can you stop talking about anything other than you in this game or who’s pushing you etc. and actually talk about some other players and actually make reads?

I’m not extremely happy that is is probably the third time I’ve asked you this question and you continue to ignore it for some reason.

I will be keeping score if you also dodge this post as well. So besides tr Fea, sr Hopkirk and Pooky, what are your thoughts on the rest of the playerlist?

3rd time I’ve asked you this and next time you post in this thread I’m expecting an answer.

I'm not ignoring it, I gave you all I have

I have reads. I'm pushing one.

I can focus on things other than myself when you stop constantly making it about myself

My thoughts on the rest will come, but I don't think that's a priority right now

1668 @Flea, I’m definitely talking about Dunn. I don’t tr the fact that he continues to ignore my request to give reads and if he continues to dodge this, I will likely be voting him.

Pooky is a bad vote and Isis is probably my top tr. I also need to hear more from Hopkirk.

Vote me then, you're not going to be able to pressure me into giving reads

He gives off a vibe of “fuck off, I’ll do things at my own pace”

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Solid town: isis, flea, ydrasse, dunn, jessie
Town ig: pooky, skitter, gloria, MT
Town because I want to trust TGP's read on him but should probably be in the PoE: gypyx

I got a few townvibes: hopkirk

@Infinity

Given my readslist, who do you think would be a better candidate for me to vote, besides maybe gypyx?

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Hopkirk, I get it, I voted you to try and get the game moving more than anything. I'd definitely hear you out on anything at this point, most of us are pretty lost.

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Solid town: isis, flea, ydrasse, dunn, jessie
Town ig: pooky, skitter, gloria, MT
Town because I want to trust TGP's read on him but should probably be in the PoE: gypyx
I got a few townvibes: hopkirk

So you're townreading everyone?

Correct.

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The gypyx thing makes sense, since he hasn't posted it makes sense that he'd be a common null read.

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The gypyx thing makes sense, since he hasn't posted it makes sense that he'd be a common null read.

i guess for the noone currently pushing him part, yeah. but how is a common null read the main backup to most of the pushing that is currently happening?

Because everyone has a lot of townreads, I guess. And no one...got anything out of the pause, it didn't help advance things, so I guess people just went back to what they were doing before.

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before the pause you said you thought pooky reminded you of scum!pooky, then you had an interaction which was basically pooky saying nothing you were saying made sense, and then you unvoted, saying pooky seemed genuine in the aforementioned interaction

Yeah I think my pooky read switch warrants a bit more explanation. 1661 and 1665 felt genuine to me because it seemed like pooky really thought my argument was bullshit. Like, if you think an accusation like that has validity and you're scum, you try to give a bit more explanation, you don't try to make a valid point seem ridiculous because that's not gonna work. Pooky does have a strong scum game so maybe they thought they'd be able to pull it off, but trying to gaslight the whole town like that seems like not a great strategy. So I decided that my point probably didn't have a ton of validity even if pooky was scum, and I didn't really have much else against them. Also, my heart wasn't really in the push, it wasn't totally there to begin with, but 1665 just pinged as town in a "let's try to work this out" kinda way I guess.

I definitely do want to ISO pooky along with MT and gloria and see if I can solidify my reads there.

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My TR on flea was for the energy specifically directed towards finding scum. Like, in 888, fae seems very passionate about calling out TGP's hypocrisy that fae recites song lyrics to do so, which is maybe not as insanely towny as I remembered it, but it's still ++town. Generally when I see something that makes me go "wowow this person is town" I regret going back on that feeling (and potentially SRing that person later) more than I regret holding onto it. Also, the fluff actually feels +town for flea since fae seems to just be saying what comes to faer mind, if that makes sense.

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I think this thread could use more full-power skitter, if she's up to it

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Isis doesn’t have a read on pooky though?

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I definitely do want to ISO pooky along with MT and gloria and see if I can solidify my reads there.

So any progress on that yet?

No, I promise it will happen today

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I’m still being lazy but pooky feels town. I feel like Gloria would probably be more paranoid of mindmelding with pooky this game if she didn’t have a really good reason to TR them. If anything it would make me think Gloria is scum here, but then I read posts like 1671 and I think gloria’s just town too.