Silent Star 3: Royalty

[Dunnstral]

imagine the sound of a squeaky toy

townreads make me sound like that

Precious.

[Dunnstral]

MT! Why are you and Infinity voting for my slot

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also jessie's energy so far reminds me of menagerie + her attempts to communicate/get things done despite the animal noise thing we had to deal with, it's not the same given that wasn't setup spec but... the feeling around it is similar

p-edit: for a tiny tiny bit yes

I also kind of like Jessie's posts.

Ydrasse how about you and Jessie pave the way to greatness with your votes?

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Maybe I’m seeing the same things hopkirk is? I also think taylor is relatively likely to have engaged with me on game-relevant things as town

The aggressive anti-cute stuff felt evasive to some extent. I agree if that's what you mean.

I don't want to scumread Jessie

it's okay not to, i'm town.

Ew

uh oh

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also jessie's energy so far reminds me of menagerie + her attempts to communicate/get things done despite the animal noise thing we had to deal with, it's not the same given that wasn't setup spec but... the feeling around it is similar

p-edit: for a tiny tiny bit yes

I also kind of like Jessie's posts.

Ydrasse how about you and Jessie pave the way to greatness with your votes?

Jessie -- yes. what is it that you like about Ydrasse?

Woah woah woah slow down there, I never said I liked Ydrasse, I'm just asking her to lead the way as my senior in this game since I noticed she isn't voting anybody

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Don't worry, I've got a good record of guessing Hectic's setup gimmicks in advance. Last time he sent everyone a role pm telling them they were a mafia that didn't know their partners (not super uncommon in that setting) I thought everyone except maybe 2 people got that role pm. I tried to strongly hint this and get confirmation d1. I died n1 after telling Hectic I was sure of this. I think it was early d3 that anyone else considered this.

At the moment it could be anything though. Maybe after we yeet one or two people they get to pick who's scum to avenge them.

I was in that game

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Don't worry, I've got a good record of guessing Hectic's setup gimmicks in advance. Last time he sent everyone a role pm telling them they were a mafia that didn't know their partners (not super uncommon in that setting) I thought everyone except maybe 2 people got that role pm. I tried to strongly hint this and get confirmation d1. I died n1 after telling Hectic I was sure of this. I think it was early d3 that anyone else considered this.

At the moment it could be anything though. Maybe after we yeet one or two people they get to pick who's scum to avenge them.

I was in that game

Did he run that on mafiascum somewhere too (would be interested in link if so)? I was talking about when he ran it over discord with

(Redacted)

Oh wow, hectic has been double dipping...

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=83501

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I fee like I should be townreading Gloria by now and I'm not. The Skitter30/Gloria interactions tasted a bit weird.

My town atm is (Isis/Pooky/Ydrasse/Infinity) with a maybe on MT. Everyone else I need more on than I've got.

This is the kind of post we come back to later if you flip scum

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hm?

That is what it reminds me of When you list a bunch of town which are generally consensus reads, say you should be townreading someone but don't act on that, two people's interactions are weird etc.

Also that game

was

silent star

[Dunnstral]

(I'm saying you're suspicious)

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The Skitter30/Gloria interactions tasted a bit weird.

Can you explain this for me though. Are you suspecting Skitter too?

[Dunnstral]

Awaiting responses. Feel free to throw in as much toxicity as you want because it'll make me cry and then Isis will be happy.

Me?

[Dunnstral]

Skitter/Dunnstral is always a possibly too.

Is this based on me talking to you?

[Dunnstral]

hm?

That is what it reminds me of When you list a bunch of town which are generally consensus reads, say you should be townreading someone but don't act on that, two people's interactions are weird etc.

Also that game

was

silent star

I townread all of those slots except Ydrasse (who 3 of my TRs and several other people TR so is town) very early in. Do you have any specific problems with my progression or the reads on them, because I was one of the first to state most of those reads. Shading me for having common townreads when it's more of a townblock is really odd.

I'm acting on it by saying it and paying attention to responses. I don't understand what you mean by 'not acting on it'. You can fish for responses without a vote, sometimes it works even better.

Plus I'm voting someone I have bad pings on for other reasons? I don't like how you're trying to shade me not voting Skitter30/Gloria?

I know that game was silent star. It was in the title. I never said anything that remotely implied I didn't know this?

The Skitter30/Gloria interactions tasted a bit weird.

Can you explain this for me though. Are you suspecting Skitter too?

Gloria obvtowned in 20 posts last time we played and hasn't in 90 this game to me. That's a cause for concern.
Skitter30 I haven't played with, but she feels like she's occupying the light-town zone that scum crawl into. I want a lot more from her.
Also as I've said, my style is gather a solid set of townreads then do POE.

Awaiting responses. Feel free to throw in as much toxicity as you want because it'll make me cry and then Isis will be happy.

I haven't read enough to know you were the first to form these reads, if so then I guess I'm wrong on what I was saying.
You have a good point against Gloria
Your read on Skitter doesn't make sense - you are suspicious because she's light town?

You are voting by yourself right now so it doesn't seem as productive, but everyone has scattered votes/aren't voting right now for reasons I guess.

Skitter30/Dunnstral is partially serious based on me thinking 'I wonder if Skitter30 knew about the Taylor ban so quickly because partners',

Doesn't really make sense, the mod wouldn't announce a replacement in a scum pt instead of the game thread

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I don't see why scattering votes a bit is bad. This is one day into the game. Plus if I voted either of them then that would be a lone wagon? Wouldn't you criticize a vote on either of them as a lone vote in the same way as you are this one?

I guess so.

[Dunnstral]

Hey Dunn, how come you're now the lone vote on a wagon :giggle:

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

I read their 4 post iso, this seems acceptable

[Dunnstral]

Ok i'm here catchup time

did this, like, go anywhere?

why is dunn a leading wagon again?

Without having read, let me guess: Is it the combo of the guy I suspected and the guy I voted who jumped on me?

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i think the entire concept of a d1 townbloc is flawed, although the relative naturalness of it makes me question it far less. gypyx and gloria look town, as do ydrasse and infinity. i'm really going back and forth on pooky, but settling in on a slight townlean on them. hopkirk is still town, and i'm much less confident in isis, so VOTE: dunnstral this slot has been fairly bad from the beginning and has not gotten better.

I don't think TGP is town and this post deserves pressure

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That's a weird thing to say.

I may have worded it weird.

I think his post is blatantly bad in that after not posting for 400 posts he looks, sees me voting him, and naked votes me by saying my slot has always been bad

And their is general low-effort coming from them to try to get a good scumread

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Surely the best way to win as that would be to be scummy, not AFK as gypyx is? [Hope you're well friendo <3]
TGP has shown willingness to dedicate time to the game with a few of the posts and is just being shonky. There's way better ways to pull a jester win - and easier ways.

VOTE: TGP - I'm still happy with this regardless, if he is a jester, then jeeze. If they're both Jesters then that's an amazing wincon

Given the royal theme I wouldn't be surprised if there's a 3rd party of some description, Jester seems a bit naff of a mechanic to throw in.

Jester seems unlikely to me (aside from the royal theme bit)
Even if jester existed, I doubt it would end the whole game, I think that's always unfair unless the jester is a known element

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I think Jester paranoia in general is something more likely to come from scum than town

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Given the royal theme I wouldn't be surprised if there's a 3rd party of some description

Also is there a connection between royal theme and 3rd parties?

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I think Jester paranoia in general is something more likely to come from scum than town

this feels kinda scummy

Yeah yeah

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: dunstal

go away sweaty

[Dunnstral]

i think it really might be tgp/dunn

it feels like tgp was ok being elimd if it would give dunn some cred

then they changed tack to target skitter

and now its hard lamist AtE when we call out their change on Dunn.

I'm also incredibly optimistically wrong in horrible ways so im not placing like great odds on this but I don't see myself being willing to like TR TGP at some point given what they are doing.

Don't pin this on me for what TGP is doing. Why aren't we voting HIM out then?

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I'm town though, and everyone hopping off of tgp here looks quite bad?

We have two elims today.

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sounds like you know what TGP will flip

I have my reasons for voting him, they're in my iso

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i think it really might be tgp/dunn

it feels like tgp was ok being elimd if it would give dunn some cred

then they changed tack to target skitter

and now its hard lamist AtE when we call out their change on Dunn.

I'm also incredibly optimistically wrong in horrible ways so im not placing like great odds on this but I don't see myself being willing to like TR TGP at some point given what they are doing.

Don't pin this on me for what TGP is doing. Why aren't we voting HIM out then?

THEM

my bad

[Dunnstral]

caught for the wrong reasons scum

When you use this argument, you invalidate your previous one

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Very cool Isis

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his reaction right now is terrible

What is a towny reaction then?

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What is a towny reaction then?

im not here to teach you how to play your red pm

That's not what you'd be doing

You'd be explaining your read

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@Dunn, are you town? Can you give me a readslist?

I'm half-following the game right now, was kind of waiting for tgb to be elimmed so we had something to go off of. The way Pooky is pushing me right now doesn't feel right in the sense that their points don't make any sense and they're acting like they have something. Hopkirk I don't like. Isis is towny from what I've seen

[Dunnstral]

sounds like you know what TGP will flip

I have my reasons for voting him, they're in my iso

Lol why are you changing topic buddy?

mb tgp is green and dunn is caught for the wrong reasons scum

his reaction right now is terrible

and he called isis sweaty

lets just send him packing

What is a towny reaction then?

im not here to teach you how to play your red pm

When you use this argument, you invalidate your previous one

as long as you flip red i could care less which argument was right

These posts all feel over the top/trying to push it through

[Dunnstral]

While trying to make me look bad and dodging explanations

[Dunnstral]

While trying to make me look bad and dodging explanations

I think he’s town. I’m just trying to understand what he’s seeing. Do you have any other reads? I need a lot more info to sort you.

Like I said I've been half-following, I do remember that I found Flea town as well

[Dunnstral]

You decided my response was terrible before reading my posts

[Dunnstral]

what are you implying with this post?

Pooky is saying I'm scum with you. The time to explore that should be after we elim you

[Dunnstral]

Doesn’t it bother you that everyone’s scumpool is the less active players?

Nah it makes sense to me. In fact I think we should devote more to this, here's what I propose:

Day 1: Eliminate anybody with less than 60 posts, if multiple players qualify declare the rest to be poe scum
Day 2: Eliminate anybody with less than 100 posts, take care of players from yesterday
Day 3: Wrap things up by killing off the rest of the list
Day 4: We can begin to play the game, first order of business should be figuring out which of our townreads were wrong

[Dunnstral]

idk. that group comprises a lot of where my efforts are focusing rn

Hopkirk and tgp are pretty keen to get me out instead of tgp

Just saying

[Dunnstral]

If we're both scum, which is what is being implied, then yes, actually.

[Dunnstral]

1540 is ignoring important context, is a scummy pop-in, and fails to consider that TGP isn't claiming to be voting me for survivalism

[Dunnstral]

^Also TGP voted me in 1458

[Dunnstral]

No, that was my over-familiar response to a naked vote on myself (I originally missed infinity voting me on the past page, so my response was at isis)

[Dunnstral]

I don't see the two Jesters scenario

VOTE: Dunn

ydra if you want the hammer, unvote and i will vote and you can hammer :3

why?

[Dunnstral]

For the last quote only

[Dunnstral]

OK so who all was pushing both TGP and myself?

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

[Dunnstral]

So what was with everyone hopping onto me?

[Dunnstral]

Can somebody explain what the town bloc is to me and why

[Dunnstral]

Not sure if you're calling me scum or saying TGP was calling me scum

[Dunnstral]

In sober-form I don't see myself voting out Dunnstral with skitter alive, especially with skitter backing off of me once she can tell I am pop-ular, and Dunnstral being pretty brazen.

What does that mean

[Dunnstral]

I'm also town, is the thing

[Dunnstral]

there was heavy resistance to Dunn.

There really wasn't

I hopped up to e-2 instantly and then some people switched

[Dunnstral]

And the resistance was in fact to tgp

[Dunnstral]

I think we’re talking past each other so let’s work through this.

We have 4 possibilities:
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is scum: we both agree this is unlikely
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is town: I think this is the most likely scenario
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is scum: you think this is the most likely scenario, but I’m not convinced; it requires 4 players other than me to all be town, which is unlikely just by probability
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is town: also a possibility but unlikely by probability

Too much on probablility here

There was never really a case against me in the first place, it doesn't really matter whether it was town or scum that jumped on me (though I agree it's unlikely that they were all town)

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I think we’re talking past each other so let’s work through this.

We have 4 possibilities:
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is scum: we both agree this is unlikely
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is town: I think this is the most likely scenario
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is scum: you think this is the most likely scenario, but I’m not convinced; it requires 4 players other than me to all be town, which is unlikely just by probability
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is town: also a possibility but unlikely by probability

Too much on probablility here

There was never really a case against me in the first place, it doesn't really matter whether it was town or scum that jumped on me (though I agree it's unlikely that they were all town)

Can you stop talking about anything other than you in this game or who’s pushing you etc. and actually talk about some other players and actually make reads?

I’m not extremely happy that is is probably the third time I’ve asked you this question and you continue to ignore it for some reason.

I will be keeping score if you also dodge this post as well. So besides tr Fea, sr Hopkirk and Pooky, what are your thoughts on the rest of the playerlist?

3rd time I’ve asked you this and next time you post in this thread I’m expecting an answer.

I'm not ignoring it, I gave you all I have

I have reads. I'm pushing one.

I can focus on things other than myself when you stop constantly making it about myself

My thoughts on the rest will come, but I don't think that's a priority right now

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1668 @Flea, I’m definitely talking about Dunn. I don’t tr the fact that he continues to ignore my request to give reads and if he continues to dodge this, I will likely be voting him.

Pooky is a bad vote and Isis is probably my top tr. I also need to hear more from Hopkirk.

Vote me then, you're not going to be able to pressure me into giving reads

[Dunnstral]

something about this gamestate just isn’t right... somethings shifted....

People seem afraid to place a vote

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler:

I think we’re talking past each other so let’s work through this.

We have 4 possibilities:
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is scum: we both agree this is unlikely
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is town: I think this is the most likely scenario
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is scum: you think this is the most likely scenario, but I’m not convinced; it requires 4 players other than me to all be town, which is unlikely just by probability
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is town: also a possibility but unlikely by probability

Too much on probablility here

There was never really a case against me in the first place, it doesn't really matter whether it was town or scum that jumped on me (though I agree it's unlikely that they were all town)

Can you stop talking about anything other than you in this game or who’s pushing you etc. and actually talk about some other players and actually make reads?

I’m not extremely happy that is is probably the third time I’ve asked you this question and you continue to ignore it for some reason.

I will be keeping score if you also dodge this post as well. So besides tr Fea, sr Hopkirk and Pooky, what are your thoughts on the rest of the playerlist?

3rd time I’ve asked you this and next time you post in this thread I’m expecting an answer.

I'm not ignoring it, I gave you all I have

I have reads. I'm pushing one.

I can focus on things other than myself when you stop constantly making it about myself

My thoughts on the rest will come, but I don't think that's a priority right now

1668 @Flea, I’m definitely talking about Dunn. I don’t tr the fact that he continues to ignore my request to give reads and if he continues to dodge this, I will likely be voting him.

Pooky is a bad vote and Isis is probably my top tr. I also need to hear more from Hopkirk.

Vote me then, you're not going to be able to pressure me into giving reads

I’m trying to sort you and giving reads is one of the ways that help me to sort. Do you have literally no opinions at all on any but the four you’ve already given opinions on?

I don't have enough scumreads to have a full team of scum

People I'm lightly tring include Infinity, Ydrasse, team rocket queen, yourself

I'm pretty sure there's scum in the camp of people defaulting to elimming me (hopkirk, pooky)

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Which is to do nothing

[Dunnstral]

Most of this speculation seems unlikely to me, the thing where the two flipped players do something is plausible, vt thing seems very unlikely, voted out players picking scum doesn't make sense (they're aligned with town so that determines who they pick)

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VOTE: Hectic

This is no harm though

[Dunnstral]

Game is hard when nobody is willing to place votes

[Dunnstral]

Solid town: isis, flea, ydrasse, dunn, jessie
Town ig: pooky, skitter, gloria, MT
Town because I want to trust TGP's read on him but should probably be in the PoE: gypyx
I got a few townvibes: hopkirk

So you're townreading everyone?

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that's unecessarily aggressive hopkirk and i'm not confident enough in my reads to be saying 'can you read my game' sorry

Hopkirk, I get it, I voted you to try and get the game moving more than anything. I'd definitely hear you out on anything at this point, most of us are pretty lost.

+1

@Hopkirk, I need a case on either. I am obviously less confident on Skitter than I was after TGP flip but I expected them to flip scum. It bothered more that she voted Isis.

I’m still not convinced Dunn is town either and then you have flipped town locking Gypyx, so yes, I need help obviously seeing it.

I don’t think it’s Pooky because of something he said that slightly town pinged me and I know you’re hard tr him anyway.

And why is Jessie in your PoE?

The flip town lock didn't really seem to be based on much, in my opinion

Hopkirk is doing a thing where he only has 2 reads and they're both scumreads, and he never engages with them, looks very scum motivated to me

Pooky has a lot of resistance based off of him essentially performing AtE

[Dunnstral]

dunn put an actual case together and not some 18th century she ain't drowning so she's a witch nonsense ok?

So when you were pushing me for the first elim, did you have an actual case?

[Dunnstral]

You're throwing whatever arguments at me you can, even if they don't make sense, and even if you've done the same thing that you're arguing against, and then when questioned about you, you dodge the question hard and try to turn it back on me

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cuz right now it sounds like you just r pissed off I pushed you with in your opinion "nothing" so you're trying to push me with "nothing" right back and that's kind of a bad look for you if you're actually green here cuz you're just straight game throwing.

You can drop the in my opinion unless you can back yourself up

My reason for pushing you is not nothing, you pushing with nothing is scummy

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You start off pushing tgp and then you swerve and vote me, I call you out on it and instead of responding you bluster and ignore the question and accuse harder, and then you say tgp can be town and I'm 'caught for the wrong reason'. You follow that up by doing something weird with the hammer vote to get TGP elimmed, and then while you've never voted me today, you've clearly defaulted to me as well, and you're not looking for scum, or even who my partner would be. And you continue to dodge questions by asking new things, you've never laid out what you were pushing with, you resort to AtE to get people to unvote you, which is what you did in Epilogue by the way

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i wasnt pushing with nothing

i explictly laid out what i was pushing with

what are your reasons?

Oh yeah, you actually pushed me because of something tgp did to start, then called tgp town but hammered him anyway, then you continued to push me for the rest of the game anyway

[Dunnstral]

More deflecting

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And it's not that you didn't care about the hammer

You did care where it was, you seemed to care a lot and you're playing it off as a joke and I'm thinking more along the lines of scum ability. I don't actually remember who hammered but it fits either way

[Dunnstral]

More deflecting

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I don’t think it’s Pooky because of something he said that slightly town pinged me and I know you’re hard tr him anyway.

What did he say?

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Why do I always have to be scum distancing with someone

[Dunnstral]

I don't even understand the arguments right now

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¶

Votecount 2.0.6

[3] skitter30:

Hopkirk, Ydrasse, Infinity 324

[2] Hopkirk:

skitter30, Isis

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Dunnstral

[6] Not Voting:

Flea The Magician, Gloria Cleary, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Gypyx, team rocket queen

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to launch. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-07 15:06:18).

Joint Mod ISO

1 day 7 hours left

Can people put votes on the board or talk about what they're thinking

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i don't get why there's never been a Gypyx wagon this game

Because the dead townie said that they are locktown

Which is like, I don't see how they could come to a solid read there, but I assume that's why other people aren't going there

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@Dunn : how are you feeling about Flea and Skitter30 this game? I'm interested in your reads on those slots as I'm not seeing it well.

Flea I was townreading, they've kind of fallen off as they've posted less. Skitter all I remember from them is that they are against Isis and also they're neutral or against wagons on me and pooky

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Spoiler:

I think we’re talking past each other so let’s work through this.

We have 4 possibilities:
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is scum: we both agree this is unlikely
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is town: I think this is the most likely scenario
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is scum: you think this is the most likely scenario, but I’m not convinced; it requires 4 players other than me to all be town, which is unlikely just by probability
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is town: also a possibility but unlikely by probability

Too much on probablility here

There was never really a case against me in the first place, it doesn't really matter whether it was town or scum that jumped on me (though I agree it's unlikely that they were all town)

Can you stop talking about anything other than you in this game or who’s pushing you etc. and actually talk about some other players and actually make reads?

I’m not extremely happy that is is probably the third time I’ve asked you this question and you continue to ignore it for some reason.

I will be keeping score if you also dodge this post as well. So besides tr Fea, sr Hopkirk and Pooky, what are your thoughts on the rest of the playerlist?

3rd time I’ve asked you this and next time you post in this thread I’m expecting an answer.

I'm not ignoring it, I gave you all I have

I have reads. I'm pushing one.

I can focus on things other than myself when you stop constantly making it about myself

My thoughts on the rest will come, but I don't think that's a priority right now

1668 @Flea, I’m definitely talking about Dunn. I don’t tr the fact that he continues to ignore my request to give reads and if he continues to dodge this, I will likely be voting him.

Pooky is a bad vote and Isis is probably my top tr. I also need to hear more from Hopkirk.

Vote me then, you're not going to be able to pressure me into giving reads

I’m trying to sort you and giving reads is one of the ways that help me to sort. Do you have literally no opinions at all on any but the four you’ve already given opinions on?

I don't have enough scumreads to have a full team of scum

People I'm lightly tring include Infinity, Ydrasse, team rocket queen, yourself

I'm pretty sure there's scum in the camp of people defaulting to elimming me (hopkirk, pooky)

i kiiiiinda agree with the last sentiment but i need to reread, like, it feels a little lazy in a way that i'd not expect after that tgp flip. not as much re-evaluation as i'd want i guess? like, maybe i'm getting cold feet on sheeping whatever collective dunn read there was (because lbr, i have scarcely one except from this last page or so) but just saying "oh yeah, let's vote dunn next" without much else going into it makes me a little nyeeeeeh

i'll vote like, dunn i guess for the tgp/dunn or gypyx for an even lesser amount of activity because i don't know about having faith in gypyx being here or helping as the game progresses

i really feel like i'm just waiting for a flip and then it'll be like, the thing that gets me to start trying again once we get past this double elim and i would appreciate it if i'm given at least until that point

[Dunnstral]

actually i do know why you're trying to post that on the cusp of my wagon popping up lol

You're going to die if you try to force a 1v1 here

[Dunnstral]

It doesn't have to remain static, but it feels like you've regressed instead of progressed

[Dunnstral]

can you take another look at Skitter30 and tell me how you're thinking afterwards?

Her posting quantity has severely fallen off, which she acknowledges

I'm not sure why she naked votes for ydrasse, last I saw she has ydrasse as a townread, and the vote there feels kind of random

I liked their reaction to me/my wagon early in the phase

I didn't like how they were treating pooky

So their early stuff looks good but then they fall off and their posting doesn't make as much sense

[Dunnstral]

I don't know, I'm not looking at associatives like that before a scum flip

[Dunnstral]

I’d request an extension

I don't think an extension would be appropriate here

(d) your conclusion is weird because you don't even say one way or another where you are slotting her so what was the point of this post anyway?

Hopkirk asked

[Dunnstral]

do you think scum!skitter plays with random progressions?

I don't know

How is it frustrated town skitter?

[Dunnstral]

He didn't ask me for a read, he asked me what I was thinking

[Dunnstral]

This conversation is over

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Oh god i promised myself to look at this game and now it's midnight

Please pressure me to post tommorow if i still manage to procrastinate

VOTE: Gypyx

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It doesn't have to remain static, but it feels like you've regressed instead of progressed

i don’t feel like i have personally but rather like evaluated and crafted a town block for myself

ig i didn’t refine that process in thread so it probably seems shitty s:

What is your town block?

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it feels like the kind of shading you do when you want somebody to die but you dont want to put your finger prints on the murder weapon.

I hadn't mentioned skitter until I was directly asked about skitter

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I'm not responsible for skitter having 3 votes

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And I've been urging other people to place votes

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it feels like the kind of shading you do when you want somebody to die but you dont want to put your finger prints on the murder weapon.

That doesn't make sense with this gamestate though, since if dunn wanted skitter to die he'd have to vote there

PEdit: idk, an extra night kill is the only one I can think of that makes sense with an all VT game. Or maybe they can make scum harder to elim.

and it's difficult to find scumreads because there are fewer scum, though that doesn't totally solve the problem

Kanna said no midgame alignment changes but how do we know that that doesn’t apply to the dead? Right? Could I possibly be onto something with this?

That's still a mid-game alignment change, no?

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if Dunn isn't available.

It's pretty clear that I'm not being elimmed today

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Not necessarily because technically the dead aren’t in the game anymore, so I think it’s possibly conceivable we could possibly be choosing the scumteam? Idk but it’s very strange to me that it should be this difficult to find scum on D2.

Well, if anyone comes back to life, we can eliminate them again...

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Also I still think it would be a mid-game alignment change

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Also I still think it would be a mid-game alignment change

Even if they died first?

It's still happening in the middle of the game, in my eyes

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I am ok with elimming gypx because they are literally not playing but I felt dunn's vote there is scummy.

But you said that I wanted Skitter eliminated

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VOTE: Skitter30

I really don't like her recent posts or the way she hops onto hopkirk

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the prophecy is complete

Yeah no, this is based on something that happened recently

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I didn't like that they came in and immediately switched votes from Ydrasse to hopkirk without offering much, it seemed to come out of left field and gave me a bad vibe

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my man... where have you been for the past, week?

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I've kinda avoided this game tbf :/

Like, first i was very occuupied by real life, then the more time passed, the harder it was for to catchup and it's just a neverending cycle, really sorry that i'm just a blank slot in this game

Was kind of thinking this post would be followed with your catchup. What are your shotgun reads then?

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i feel that we shouldn't let this go to plurality.

I don't get it, why not

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i will be awake before deadline

leaning gypx over hopk

will sheep jessie shamelessly at this point

ok here

VOTE: gypyx

open to changing to dunnstral or sheeping a better plan if something better comes up.

Why say you'll sheep Jessie then decide on your vote anyway on your own shortly after

So if Jessie had voted hopkirk, you would have switched?

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I don't understand how people can be townreading pooky.

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Yeah but before that you were acting like you were sheeping jessie

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Do you guys remember wheb Pooky wrote:

its scummy to write 5 lines of thought that don't amount to anything with no analysis.

i think they call it IIoA?

In response to my thoughts on Skitter?

Wow.

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@Dunn - what's your read on Isis? I don't see one or any interactions in your iso.

I'm not great at reading Isis so I didn't try

Their noted absence from the thread has also helped with that

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so you're thinking about a bunch of things that don't help you form a read? like what's even the point?

I don't see a conclusion in your post, she can go either way it seems

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I feel like whoever was saying stuff about lover pairs is probably right tbh.

Based on what?

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congrats dunn

youve managed to make me so upset i cant fall asleep despite having been awake for 20hours b

congrats

Just ignore me and go to sleep

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It's too late to vote Pooky, look at a votecount

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You'd vote for pooky?

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VOTE: Hopkirk

Staking my claim, you had questionable stuff early wheras Gypyx didn't do anything. I didn't like that pooky pointed to jessie while making their vote on Gypyx

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VOTE: Skitter30

I really don't like her recent posts or the way she hops onto hopkirk

VOTE: Hopkirk

Staking my claim, you had questionable stuff early wheras Gypyx didn't do anything. I didn't like that pooky pointed to jessie while making their vote on Gypyx

Explain this @Dunn.

What about it?

I believe I explained in the moment, I didn't like what Skitter was doing, and I've had Hopkirk in my poe for a while. Unfortunately I can see myself being miselim'd this game since he appears to be town.

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Spoiler:

VC on this page.

(Dunn/Skitter30/Gypyx/Jessie) is the people I don't have good vibes on.
It's also to some extent concerning overlapping with people not approaching the game in a certain way.

TGP isn't really a

townread

but I initially got bad vibes from, there's a couple of things that seem weird from scum, and my POE hates them, so they get townpoints for that.

This is a really good list, except i townread jessie

Gloria and Jessie im strongest on. Infinity is close to them. and below them, hopkirk + Pooky + Isis + Flea i've all gotten townleans on.

leaving ydrasse, golden, skitts, dunn, and gypx. Ydrasse and Golden i have weak reasoning for. The other three i just don't have an opinion on. I think Gypx's behaviour is sort of weird for scum but ive seen scum do it too. Skitts (along with Isis) in their sort of 1v1 i just have been glossing over after initially disagreeing with what i saw. I'm not confident in my ability to read skitts without associative information. Dunn is playing like he did in forest fire and silent star 1.. which unfortunately i took to be as a scumtell in Forest fire and miselimed him (or tried to anyway). i think I know what to watch out for to learn his alignment

VOTE: Hopkirk

By my count, Gypyx is 2 ahead of Hop. I get the feeling something REALLY strange is happening so allow me to make it interesting

Seriously, wtf happened today? i could only skim but still, it's weird that momentum never gathered anywhere except Gypyx

It's really odd

Normally i'd vote Gypyx as a sort of policy and be done with it, but i get the sense he actually probably doesn't flip scum

Hop I think technically has higher chances of flipping scum but i'm more interested in why Gypyx was the only one who got real votes today.

this is such a weird reaction to a wagon that contains Jessie, Gloria, and Infinity (MT's top three townreads) and 2 other townreads vs a previous scumread. I really don't get how you ever vote me>Gypyx here over the wagon which contains most of your POE

There were definitely other meaningful wagons today MT, despite a several day lull. Skitter30/me stayed low key for a while which makes me feel iffier on a Skitter30 SR

Yeah I agree. Skitter/Isis’ votes look like their based more on actual reads, so the Dunn/MT votes on you look the worst.

I voted the opposite of what pooky was pushing for, at the end.

But then pooky uno reverse card'd it while I was asleep

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So town!you reacts how to presumably being wrongly scumread? Please enlighten me.

Depends on the situation. If I’m in danger of being limmed I get frustrated, otherwise I’m usually pretty patient and I try to talk things through with whoever is SRing me. That’s not really relevant though, it’s more that some people are more calm in response to being scumread as town. Like ydrasse was for example. It just depends on the player.

In what world does town not claim innocence here? I would really love a serious answer to that.

I’m not sure what this means

I don’t think the reaction to the hopkirk hammer was particularly scummy

So agree, these are also all valid responses as was Ydrasse’s. I would definitely tr all of them but she didn’t do any of those things.

She didn’t claim innocence.
She didn’t sound frustrated.
She didn’t try to talk things out and explain why she’s not.
She didn’t respond like Ydrasse did.

That’s why I think her reaction didn’t ping town to me.

Now sure, if she comes back and does any of those things, I’ll be more than happy to re-evaluate. So we’ll see.

Who?

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And for my next trick, I will

launch

Hopkirk off into space!

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VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

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man i love people talking abt my scumgame

i would've expected you to not take the easy way out skitts :/

disappointed

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You guys mind if I start roleplaying?

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Large font, bold, underlined, italics, all caps

Exodia, flea wins this argument

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All

scum

, please report in to the

scum pt

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Every time I read a post in a mafia game I’m forced to consider the possibility it comes from town even if I’m 100% that it doesn’t

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Gloria you are so funny

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wait until you guys sort though the next mafia's AtE

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I believe "infinity" is a noun of direct address there, that's who she's talking to, not what "it" "was". Fae is agreeing about faer fall from UTR being frustrating

Was it you or Isis? Seriously. I’m not in the mood for trolls. :cry:

Saving for post game

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Fellas, is it sus to vote for town?

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Yeah I like to take an occasional 48 hour break myself.

But when I do I get messages 'you're being prodded' like what???

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I had assumed you meant they were frothing at the mouth, thanks for the clarification