Silent Star 3: Royalty

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oop, that’s supposed to be 1.0.1 or something

meh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

nailed it!

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hi Isis hi Ydrasse hi Golden hi skitts hi Tayl0r and hi again Hopkirk!

VOTE: Pooky

Pooookyyyyyyyyy ily

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hectic and I have been over the greeting tell thing in the past. 2 cancel each other out and I committed...

ah! an even 6.

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hi TRQ! you seem familiar. did we play before and I forgot?

pedit: OH, that's right, i'm dumb

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hello. i am not sure if you would count my ever so brief appearance in matrix decipher as having met before. morning tweet and i have met before, however! and i was left off of the 'hi' list, so

i'm sorry (>﹏<) i'm so prone to missing people and then I feel terrible

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Woah, pretty passive agressive to greet MT separately to greeting 'friends'.
Howdy and hello. How's it feel to know Morning Tweet probably already has you as locktown at this point?

hello. i am not sure if you would count my ever so brief appearance in matrix decipher as having met before. morning tweet and i have met before, however! and i was left off of the 'hi' list, so

Ooh, are you the person we never got a chance to play with? I heard and said a lot of good things about you.

@MT- You've got a read on TRQ at this point right?

Yes. do you? and is it the same as mine? the second question might require you to be able to receive me astrally projecting it though

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maybe like the groupscum got to make choices before other peoples received their role PM's? PM's took quite some time to be sent too from what i recall

if im understanding this right, that would mean that PMs were staggered

hectic sent all the townie PMs at once in menagerie, then gave Ydrasse a second role PM after Pooky made his choice, so I doubt it. unless that's not what you mean

and was the game as long to start as this time?

pretty sure the confirm count stayed at 4 for a long time, so maybe Hectic just had stuff to do

game started much quicker last time. by immediately i meant that hectic had made post 1 when i saw it but the confirmation count was already at four.

i think it's possible scum got to act first, but I'm not sure that it'd have an effect on the confirm counter because I think we all got our stuff at once. plus i think overall it'd be kinda janky if some players had the option to confirm when others couldnt

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and was the game as long to start as this time?

pretty sure the confirm count stayed at 4 for a long time, so maybe Hectic just had stuff to do

game started much quicker last time. by immediately i meant that hectic had made post 1 when i saw it but the confirmation count was already at four.

Were you really early to opening the thread, then? If so i see why you were led to wondering that -- but even if the confirmations appeared really quickly like within 15 minutes I think it'd be a huge oversight to have let scum confirm before us and then publicly show that

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these are the same conclusions i reached +) though it did make me once again think about how games should probably have a set start time like miccro blitzes

Oh nevermind last post

I was disappointed to not get a bride role but if everyone is VT maybe there is a way I can still acquire a bride role

i was hoping we'd be the ones getting married..

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:blush:

i worded that like.. oh... (/ω＼)

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shifty closed bastard games

it is possible i mostly think so because these are the games i am most drawn to by far

after playing mystery box, I cannot think of a better type of game that fits your type of analysis than ones such as these

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there's an unusually high ratio of posts containing votecounts to posts not containing vote counts this game

after playing mystery box, I cannot think of a better type of game that fits your type of analysis than ones such as these

silent star: lunacy is my preferred example due to how comparably better i played, though mystery box started me down the path and it is where i first met you and hectic and bugspray!

also everyone should make believe i did not make a mistake in the unofficial votecount regarding gypyx being listed and counted as not voting in addition to his vote on gloria.

oh for sure you were awesome in Lunacy, and i think your playstyle applied better there. Mystery box has really stuck with me for some reason though !

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I have evolved
To my ultimate form

Morning Tweet, will you marry me?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes please

ISIS ??????

women always hurt you in the end.....

i mean-- ehm..

oh dear (*ﾉω-) oh man

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femboi please I think I have some say over how members of the wedding party dress

GOOD CHOICE

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Hello! VOTE: taylor

uhm. excuse me?

also, hi morning!!!
*flops ears*

hi, taylor! i missed those!!

Getting some legitimately (minor) bad pings from Taylor over the cuteness stuff.

cuteness tells (・・；)

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dance mechanic

dance mechanic

so like, things kinda in favour of this:

All groups with Private Topics (PTs) will be able to converse during any Day Phases.

During this phase, you will have two launches (eliminations). You have 8 days for each launch.

(because first launch putting to evens and then... dance! {maybe addresses town-sided nature of normal dance setup? maybe!?})

things that make it seem quite unlikely:

the 13 of YOU; chefs, organisers, decorators

unless for some reason the chefs, organisers, and decorators (some of which are stealing food) become guests post first elimination, which seems like an unlikely flavour oversight.

Can something happen in between the eliminations that wasn't mentioned? if something happens between them, why would we even be told there's two, since that'd be similar to a night phase or some other kind of intermediate phase

actually.. did menagerie say there would be two eliminations or were players surprised with a second bonus one? I checked and menagerie used nominations, not eliminations, nevermind i remembered wrong. They were led to believe that the first nomination was an elimination, though, and the second nom was a surprise as well as an extension of the first day

I lean in the direction that us being explicitly told there are two eliminations, rather than just being surprised with a second one, is important since Menagerie didn't do it. hm hm hm

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Cuteness tells are serious tells. Stop laughing.

Could someone give an overview of the important mechanics of the last two silent star games? I didn't manage to get into these.

i had a lot of "cuteness tell"-centric bad memories come up just there

Silent Star 1 - All of the town were given werewolf PMs and most were placed into 2-man hoods that they were confirmed to be werewolf-aligned. The confirmation turned out to be a lie, and 3 players were actually mafia infiltrating the wolves

Silent Star 2 - everyone could only speak in animal noises on day 1 and they had to nominate 2 players, but were led to believe it was an elimination until the votes were done. Then, the animal noise restriction went away and people had to justify what they did during the animal speak part and elim 1 out of the 2 nominees. then a bunch of pairing happened depending on whether or not mafia was killed and it went to day 2, i dont really remember how that functioned exactly

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Hopkirk is not cute

that's mean, he takes his cuteness very seriously xC

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I'm very confused. You aren't siding with Taylor here on the 'Hopkirk isn't cute' hate train are you?

In SS2 when you say 'led to believe' it was a nomination was it phrased as though it was (yeeted/lethaled etc) like in this game or did people just assume?

I got a lot of heat in probably the game i enjoyed the least ever over being "too focused on being cute over playing the game". i still dwell on it sometimes (；-ω-)

Hectic said nothing about special mechanics at the start of Menagerie (other than giving animal noise restrictions). He used the phrasing "X to condemn" which i think was done to trick the players into thinking they were eliminating, so scum would be caught out and have to explain their actions afterwards when picking between the 2 nominees

condemn is not the word he normally uses so i guess if you were really paying attention you'd have known -- but i think the intention was to deceive. Whereas here we're being outright told we just straight up have two eliminations

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Heeeeyyy what? Pooky being adorable is a constant. he has AI traits that he has mentioned (and one i think I may have picked up), but cuteness isn't one of them

I think the bottom line for me is that cuteness shouldn't be used as an alignment indicator

pedit:

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oh.. awkward....

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Heeeeyyy what? Pooky being adorable is a constant. he has AI traits that he has mentioned (and one i think I may have picked up), but cuteness isn't one of them

I think the bottom line for me is that cuteness shouldn't be used as an alignment indicator

pedit:

looks at Hopkirk reads list

oh.. awkward....

Awkward?

i just got done arguing cuteness isn't AI and you made a cuteness tier list (>﹏<)

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Heeeeyyy what? Pooky being adorable is a constant. he has AI traits that he has mentioned (and one i think I may have picked up), but cuteness isn't one of them

what did u pick up on?

Okay "pick up on" is way too much credit because i think everyone did in that particular scenario

he had a major attitude shift after Isis replaced out in Death Scroll that i don't think he could replicate as scum. he lost motivation becoming apathetic abt what happened from there, was really prickly, and was trying to exit the game by getting rid of his one scumread and being subsequently killed. i also feel as if something like that has happened in a second game but I forget which one it was

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It wasn't a tierlist, it was a summary of whether people have said and/or implied that I was or wasn't cute. I wouldn't want to rank everyone on cuteness or form reads based on it.

Oh i interpreted it as a readlist where you substituted town/scum with cute/not cute but i didn't actually think you were reading off of cuteness dw

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oh i thought you had picked up on something in *this* game :/

No, sorry ;-;

i mainly want him to say 'hi' to me

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infinity is town too !

Yup. i have an extra theory on why infinity is town but im holding off

hi tweetie-love. i feel awful still about that game. I will make it up to you and correctly read you this time and all other times and you just be your radiantly townie self :]

!!!! okay!

Infinity is my strongest town
I like Hopkirk and jessie for less concrete reasons

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VOTE: Taylor

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I've seen Gloria be defensive or otherwise unreceptive to being voted before. is that AI for you, Gloria?

Pedit: Oh

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Well then

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To answer your question i feel like jessie's thoughts going through the setup spec went through a genuine progression and I more or less ended up in a similar place to her on the confirmation issue we discussed

I also think if scum

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actually make pregame choices, that's town indicative for her

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uh oh

tiredness is a sign of scumminess with u :3

unironically Ydrasse reminds me a bit of Forest Fire Ydrasse, who was scum. No game-related content before leaving the thread

Although you could be joking -- actually this was a joke post wasnt it

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A scum!Pooky game that recently finished, you mean? i tried looking for it but I can't find it

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thank you

Damn it i think i figured shelly was scum back when i read the first few pages of that

Pooky is scary as scum although i haven't encountered it yet .... to my knowledge. Either way, I hope you don't feel bad about it for too too long

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aww that's unfortunate.
I will miss T-Swizzle.

im still wrestling with the news.. damn it (ノ﹏<)

Pooky is pretty aggressive in Hideyoshi but i attributed that to like.. how town!him literally has a scum confirmed to him. hmph

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Tweetie can you not hear my heart sing out with joy in this game?

i think it's noteworthy that you're placing so much emphasis Isis' ability to read you, which if true seems like a poor move if you're scum

you radiate positive energy but that's your character, Pooky! (´･ω･`)

Fwiw, I did scumread pooky in hideyoshi. I think the difference is tone—as scum they tend to be more aggressive and have a harsher tone. Here pooky is happy and gives me the sense they want to be here, which I think is towny.

I think he does but it's tricky because he can do that as town -- he shifted into playing aggressively at the beginning of Death Scroll with LLD for a little while. and then he was sort of "harsh" to taylor/murder in the middle (although it was distinctly towny there IMO, i'd call it more "prickly"). From what i gather, the aggressiveness was Pooky's older playstyle

but it fits with his scum motto of "take control of the game".. which Pooky hasn't done yet here. he just seems happy. Hm hm hm

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uh, the easiest way to distinguish btwn that game and like, what i'll be here is a lack of game content entirely; early on i'm more inclined these days to chill a tiny bit, and not force myself to really play if i don't want to and just vibe

if i don't do anything though later on you should be worried

i see

that being said it probably trends a bit in the opposite direction wherein someone being serious early on is either like, going to look really good or really bad and i think it depends on how they go about it which is vague but it makes sense in my head

Okay i don't understand this but am inclined to believe it makes sense to you i think

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uh, the easiest way to distinguish btwn that game and like, what i'll be here is a lack of game content entirely; early on i'm more inclined these days to chill a tiny bit, and not force myself to really play if i don't want to and just vibe

if i don't do anything though later on you should be worried

Slight townlean for this. Scum doesn’t usually make this kind of post.

they don't?

I can see town!Ydrasse being honest about vibing/not vibing with early game and i think her explanation makes sense in her head -- but saying "Don't worry about a lack of game content early, it will be around later and if it isn't that's a sign I'm scum" doesn't seem unusual for scum to say

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We have a worryingly large townbloc for so early on but ehh

if u put the entire game in a townbloc except like 2-3 ppl who go in a process of elimination, that's just another way to play. I end up doing it like that a lot..

I think she’s likely town here for a lot of reasons but I’m not wrong. Scum doesn’t tell you what to look out for. I trust her way more than Pooky. so if you both assure me he’s town. I’ll trust you on that. I’m probably going to have nightmares about scum teddies tonight.

i suppose i tend to find it towny when someone points to past things that have already occured and say they don't come from scum, as opposed to saying future things they won't do

.. think that makes sense

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To answer your question i feel like jessie's thoughts going through the setup spec went through a genuine progression and I more or less ended up in a similar place to her on the confirmation issue we discussed

I also think if scum

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actually make pregame choices, that's town indicative for her

Why though? Like imo it's the opposite, if scum did pregame choices, it's more likely that jessie is scum

It's tricky to speculate genuinely on something that actually happened and you just did -- if you were scum faking setup spec, would you immediately get the answer right, especially with such little info as pregame confirmations?

..you could, but i lean against it. I guess if there's anyone I would expect to be able to pull off getting setup spec right immediately, it'd be jessie. But i also guess i like the final conclusion she came to as well, it was the one i had

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In case this should become relevant, Pooky isn’t aligned with Infinity.

did you mean for this to imply one is scum? my interpretation so far is they are likely to not be scum together, but I haven't thrown out both being town.

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dunny!

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i townread infinity and i wanted to see where it'd go

i don't really have a reason beyond that

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also jessie's energy so far reminds me of menagerie + her attempts to communicate/get things done despite the animal noise thing we had to deal with, it's not the same given that wasn't setup spec but... the feeling around it is similar

p-edit: for a tiny tiny bit yes

I also kind of like Jessie's posts.

Ydrasse how about you and Jessie pave the way to greatness with your votes?

Jessie -- yes. what is it that you like about Ydrasse?

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What did you try here? Gloria has two games.

Yeah i felt really stupid afterwards but I searched through all of the recently completed games in each subforum rather than check Gloria's profile

dont ask me why

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that makes a lot more sense

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Try and get as many townreads as possible, accept a deepwolf getting in there, then work through the POE? I like the sound of that.

Yes! That's my playstyle because i am terrible at finding scum. the only issues that arise are A.) sometimes i get scum in the PoE, but miss inside of the PoE and B.) i am bad at reevaluating already cemented townreads so finding any deepwolves is pain

Or maybe it's because i used to give out townreads way too easily. i tell myself i don't do that anymore, but then wonder what went wrong when I run out of people I'm

not

townreading

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i think it's noteworthy that you're placing so much emphasis Isis' ability to read you, which if true seems like a poor move if you're scum

i mean i think it points to him not being scum

yes, that is what I meant. he also called out to me to soul townread him, albeit in a smaller way.

i am starting to feel like I might read Pooky okay and isis is probably much better, so it seems odd for scum!Pooky to engrain it in everyone's' minds that we should sheep Isis' evaluation of him

I got burnt on this reasoning before in silent star 1 actually when reading lilith -- she was citing someone the way Pooky is citing Isis as a good player to read her, think. but I still lean towards it and also scum!Pooky tries to take control of the game which i havent noticed

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Infinity feels wolfy here

shifting read on Isis due to pressure - feels like not a real read

i kinda disagree on this read; i think he's pretty townie imo

yes

ok when I said I had a mysterious townread on Ydrasse everyone was supposed to go "Isis you're so alluring and intriguing please shed enough mystique to show us" so that I get to talk about I wasn't supposed to get strangely townread with no curiousity what is this

i'm curious
i don't see much ai in anything she's said thus far

I like the couple of posts where ydrasse explained her scum self to me -- 363 especially. im a sucker for self meta and it felt like she was explaining something that made sense to her although i didnt quite understand

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Skitter/Gloria both read aren't jumping out as obvtown but are giving slight townpings which concerns me. I'd like to sort both through the art of talking and/or sheeping
I'm not going to put any stock in associative pre flip 2 days into a game, but their pushes on neither of their pushes on each other screamed town.
Skitter/Dunnstral is always a possibly too.

Why would getting “slight townpings” concern you ever?

scum gives off "slight townpings" a lot! I actually agree since that's like, their job.

probably a specifically weak kind of townping though, like their posts come across as towny but maybe it's hard to pinpoint why and if you dig deeper there isn't anything solidly town, and it turns out that they've just been putting in a little extra "i'm so towny" into it

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i think gloria purporting that she is isn't scummy and sort of being defensive about it is towny. Particularly the "are you even reading?" part. like it's really obvious to her. From what i gather, Hopkirk is arguing that she seems different from death scroll, and she responded that because Pooky is TRing her, that read is invalid

i'd be a bit surprised if that sort of tone comes from scum, although I dont really know Gloria (to my knowledge)

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I like the couple of posts where ydrasse explained her scum self to me -- 363 especially. im a sucker for self meta and it felt like she was explaining something that made sense to her although i didnt quite understand

ehhhh i can see it i guess

Really? That feels like a good angle for scum to fake tbh

i can see scum managing expectations with regards to the "watch out for me playing like X later" stuff, but i guess the way she explained the posts i didn't understand felt like she really believes it

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i cry a little bit on the inside when you flop them now (ノ﹏ヽ)

it's comforting at the same time though

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Why though? That game was beautiful.

I will never doubt your townie heart again.

no no, that game was great, tragic as it was

Taylor started the ear-flopping trend..

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jessie are you gonna vote or just leave us all waiting?

pedit:

sniff

this is true. i should think of it like that

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honestly, i can see y mt liked that post - the thought itself isn't inherently townie, but the way she said it had a townie lack of inhibition / lack of self-consciousness / stream of conscious babble to it

How is that different from what isis pointed out in 479? I think what isis is talking about there is at least related to the idea of stream-of-consciousness.

for me it's not because Ydrasse was "aware the logic is flawed and hit send anyway", my reasoning goes way less deep than that. it just seemed like a genuine explanation that made sense to her

Pedit: Beauty fades, that is why it is beautiful ☯﹏☯

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i would like to pressure tgp more and i'm not sure i see what people are seeing gypyx

also i think hopkirk has gotten a bunch of townreads and i'm not really seeing it yet

from what I understand, Hopkirk pulls off high effort and solveyness much more easily as town. in a marathon game where he beat me as scum, I don't believe he was high effort or trying hard to stand out, i think i townread him for a far stupider reason

i let that game make me afraid of scum!hopkirk but so far I think if he's highly proactive early and if i vibe wit him, the simpler solution is that he's town

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i thought so :C

It's the hopkirk im familar with from the past couple of his towngames

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kindred? in my game of league of legends?

my only jungle champion! well that i play anyway

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you know, i was thinking about this earlier and i'm actually not sure how to feel about mt taking meta regarding me at face value given it burned her once (heh. forest fire)

like, granted it was her digging through my meta and not me offering it to her but like, it seems like something she could be wary about

I believe that my theory was that your WIM kicks in when you feel like your faction's victory is threatened, so either all the time as scum or around late game as town.

i was more getting at that you might just be uncomfortable with early content as scum, but! i forgot about that other scum game. i compensated for forest fire by reversing it when i should be throwing it in the trash

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I think scum ends up in the null town area a decent amount, although it's player dependent as well as dependent on how far we are into the game whether i'd maintain paranoia of them or not

like D1 i use everything i can

If you write off townleans because being towny is inherently scummy then i think that's a problem, but i lean against that being whats happening

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It feels like he is not happy about how fast the townblock has grown :3

Yeah but why does scum!Infinity voice that unhappiness? surely it'd be leagues better to like, attack the townreads directly rather than just voice dissatisfaction with it

I’m trying to deal with the fact that I often have too many townreads in games, and I’m wondering if questioning my townreads early before a wrong read gets solidified will help with that. I’m also affected by what happened in deaths curse.

Is (or was) your concern that the thread overall had too many townreads, or just that you yourself do?

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Idk i think a generalized statement like "We are townreading too many people" is a more vague and noncommital way of shading a townblock, yes. but also it just seems like it'd be really really ineffective and I find it hard to believe scum!Infinity thinks it'd help as opposed to town!Infinity just saying things

Is (or was) your concern that the thread overall had too many townreads, or just that you yourself do?

I think I was projecting my concern about having too many townreads onto the thread, even though I shouldn’t really be worried about others’ townreads as this stage. I did see a bunch of townreads being thrown out but that’s probably not what I was worried about deep down.

I see. i asked because it came off like you were accusing the entire thread of it, but your explanation was more personal. so you weren't concerned with others after all, hm

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i can see why Pooky thinks Infinity is sorta struggling to justify things. It came off like he was distrusting the thread as a whole's townbloc, but when pressed on it, he explained that he was talking about himself and projecting his concern on the thread as a whole.

I still find other things about Infinity towny. and I don't really think there's scum motivation for casting doubt on the townbloc but not even have any reasoning for it beyond paranoia

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The discussion around the infinity comment made me realize shading a townblock for size without picking anyone can like, benefit scum without putting oneself in harm's way and that make sense. I wonder if that's getting to become too much of the game at this point.

I guess it's sort of hands-off, but at the same time it feels borderline suicidal to go "I don't trust the townblock" as scum and then have nothing to back that up with

I will dayvig Pooky the next time he says this game's plot is not about a wedding between me and Morning Tweet (who so far seems like a town bride but if it turns out she's scum there will still be a wedding it will just be even more forbidden)

!!!!!

can you work this into your theory somehow pooky? pretty please? even if it's only for appeasement

i don't have an opinion on skitts but im inclined to believe Isis does. I don't think Isis' point about skitts is AI but i also dont tr skitts yetr

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Disagree with you on Skitter.

what do you like about skitts so far?

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"Like imo it's the opposite, if scum did pregame choices, it's more likely that jessie is scum"
What does this quote mean Gypyx?

Basically, i found that scum tends to try to say stuff that they know is true when they can, so if scum did in fact made choices pregame, i lean strongly towards scum!jessie

using mechanical speculation and locking himself to some extent into a scumread on jessie if his mechanical speculation is correct. gypyx is never scum with jessie here.

i guess I just have a polar opposite take to this, maybe. i feel like scum is less likely to point out stuff that is true, because it has the potential to read awkwardly. It's much easier to speculate as town and get it right than it is for scum to have genuine-looking speculation that lands in the right spot, imo

725 felt like it was trying to convince me, meaning TGP is likely town or they and gypyx are scumbuddies, probably the former.

i agree, i don't see the motivation for TGP to spend so much time defending Gypx -- and I don't even think it'd be wise for them to do as scumpartners with him

I also like that they reevaluated jessie out of scum to null

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Morning Tweet please come back to the thread I need to remember what matters.

(/ω＼*) stapp

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isis is definitely the hero i wanna be the princess she has to fight for (≧ڡ≦)

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secret lost because the main conflict of the story is Isis' having to find and/or rescue me

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I will slay so many dragons

swoons

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what is the point of going against the grain and defending Gypx as Golden? They spent a significant amount of their time doing that as opposed to other things, and i struggle to see why scum does that without pushing a new suspect

ah, i suppose they voted Dunn but they spent about 10 words on that and like 100s on Gypx. am I misunderstanding the golden wagon?

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tgp's talked a lot about other slots and has a fairly nuanced read in other places on others but it feels like all he's saying is "dunn bad" a few times which is a lot less detailed than the effort he's used elsewhere

oh lol yes that is basically my interpretation

I guess that could potentially be them having difficulty scumreading so they compensate by doing large towncases or townreads instead

But that's something i tend to do as town more, so maybe it's not necessarily scummy

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Ok i'm here catchup time

did this, like, go anywhere?

why is dunn a leading wagon again?

i don't have passion for any particular player being scum (ノ﹏ヽ)

jessie, infinity, and gloria are my towniest. Hopkirk too contingent on my existing reasoning holding true is also up there

Pooky and Isis are more likely town than not and it's the kind of area where i wouldn't want to elim them anyway because i think they solve each other. Pooky also hasn't tried to control the game i believe

Ydrasse i think her tone is good but im not willing to put as much stock into that

Golden I think has potential to be scum, sure, but im failing to see why they use up so much of their time talking about slots that aren't Dunn or scumreads

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UNVOTE:

i feel bad for not having time to dive into some of the longer posts so i'm probably missing the actual reasoning for Golden

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i only need to know one thing -- is there hope for isis and i?

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\(≧▽≦)/ my hero!!!

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I have a very good memory despite forgetting a game completely.

If you said anything half as nice to me I would've remembered it.

So when are you and Isis going to get a room? :P

hEY NO

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Pooky I wanted to slay any such dragons as were menacing or kidnapping Morning Tweet not kill extra dragons for sport!

There are literally no dragons in this Castle so I ordered some in bulk after you said you wanted to kill them to prove your love for Tweetie.

oh that's awkward, but at least there will be lots of action now. sorry dragons

[Morning Tweet]

I dont think timing real-time interactions can really be read for much, posts like "I'll be here for next 15 minutes" or whatever. I've seen them from both alignments consistently

If Flea is a diva can we book them to perform at the wedding? I'm ok with them having multiple roles.

They can officiate the ceremony. I think Flea was probably overwhelmed in Death Curse as they’re clearly having no problem super obvtowning here.

flea is really opening up in this game compared to that one!

[Morning Tweet]

Save me the ISO dive, your vote on TGP is wearing a birthday suit - yet TGP hasn't commented on it. happy to give Dunn a good shove for a vote that's at least wearing a fig leaf in comparison. Any thoughts on why that would be?

hahahahaha

Flea, what's your experience at playing mafia?

[Morning Tweet]

i like Flea's catchup thoughts quite a bit

Seriously go look, it's weirdly focused on Gypx but still. Potential partner? Hmmm...

do you expect scum to focus 90% of their time on their partner?

Lemme actually review to see if i'm understanding Golden so far right though

Spoiler: Golden ISO

i think the entire concept of a d1 townbloc is flawed, although the relative naturalness of it makes me question it far less. gypyx and gloria look town, as do ydrasse and infinity. i'm really going back and forth on pooky, but settling in on a slight townlean on them. hopkirk is still town, and i'm much less confident in isis, so VOTE: dunnstral this slot has been fairly bad from the beginning and has not gotten better.

Reads post

Why is gypyx town?

+1

@TGP

what a good question? gypyx, in short, is town because his posts go against the grain, in a way that makes him stick out as attempting to actively look at the game and understand it. here's a quote from RC that i think fits this:

3) People who have really out there reads, stick out too much, don't agree with the generally established townblock, and want to do their own thing which people don't largely disagree with get lynched incredibly consistently. They also incredibly consistently flip town.

because i feel like gypyx is doing a lot of this atm.

Hello y'all i'm a jester

VOTE: Gloria i just realized your name wasn't "gloria clearly"

let's start with the opening post, which is often a way to get a lot more information than you'd think about a player's alignment. the jester claim is nai for a player who's playstyle and persona is more casual and shitposty, like gypyx, but this vote is good; in general, this post doesn't look overthought like a scum post would.

i think

do you think it is important how long it was from game going up to game start? do you think it is important that there were immediately four confirms?

i think it doesn't matter, what about you?

again we see both interaction in the form of responding to questions as well as actual takes. admittedly this isn't like a townspew post, but it's part of a pattern of posts by gypyx that just make me see him as town.

maybe like the groupscum got to make choices before other peoples received their role PM's? PM's took quite some time to be sent too from what i recall

if gypyx was scum, and this was true, he would never make this post. this seems like town speculation rather than scum speculation to me.

Hey i thought about something, maybe we'll have a dance mechanic? It would fit with the theme / kinda with the fact that we're starting with 2 exes (like peoples pick a partner, they become neighbour + lover)

Pedit : wear

again - genuine mechanical play from gypyx that doesn't look at all like either scum trying to get towncred from knowing about this or scum trying to mislead the town into this. it looks like he is actually working on trying to figure out the mechanics of this game from an uninformed perspective.

Gypx town case

what a good question!

ebwop

"Like imo it's the opposite, if scum did pregame choices, it's more likely that jessie is scum"

What does this quote mean Gypyx?

Basically, i found that scum tends to try to say stuff that they know is true when they can, so if scum did in fact made choices pregame, i lean strongly towards scum!jessie

using mechanical speculation and locking himself to some extent into a scumread on jessie if his mechanical speculation is correct. gypyx is never scum with jessie here.

Basically, i found that scum tends to try to say stuff that they know is true when they can, so if scum did in fact made choices pregame, i lean strongly towards scum!jessie

why would scum say something they know that the town doesn't know?

Idk it's just a pattern that i've noticed, like i guess it could be that they want to be "the guy who was right" or smthing

And generally, you notice more easily the stuff that's wrong when it's linked to information you know

and finally, i really like this from gypyx, because unless he's been working this entire time to drop key pieces of scum information in a WIFOM play, if his mechanical speculation is correct, it calls HIMSELF out.

Gypx town case pt. 2 -- Yup, this is how I recall it. I think im right to say that most of their effort has gone into towncasing. which isn't inherently bad

isn't this:
In post 413, Gypyx wrote:
Why think about recruiting specifically?

just like a super towny post? would rather here more about why gypyx isn't town from pooky

oh okay, i missed this, actually. i still think it's unfortunate that you don't have reads on most players in the game but i like this post so i'm putting you at null for right now. i really need reads from you though because you have 47 posts and 1 read on my count.

i did kind of like this post because they had just been scumleaning off a misunderstanding and they reevaluated it. I guess that's not a huge point though

i'm really confused as how you're attacking me as low-effort and naked voting when... you did almost the exact same thing to me?

i find it incredibly interesting that i'm attacked for low-effort voting dunn without a significant amount of reasoning but dunn is not attacked for the exact same thing, which makes me incredibly suspicious that at least one of the people using that line of reasoning are simply chainsawing on an easy argument.

I think this is fair given i don't think Dunn has said much other than "bad", but Golden themself hasn't really talked about their vote either aside from in their opening 109 and 687 where it's just "bad" both times. ill check dunn though

Overall i don't think there's too much to go off of for Golden being towny -- I disagree with others that it implies Gypx with them because it just seems like an odd strategy to me

Spoiler: Dunn on Golden

Hey Dunn, how come you're now the lone vote on a wagon :giggle:

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

I read their 4 post iso, this seems acceptable

Acceptable

i think the entire concept of a d1 townbloc is flawed, although the relative naturalness of it makes me question it far less. gypyx and gloria look town, as do ydrasse and infinity. i'm really going back and forth on pooky, but settling in on a slight townlean on them. hopkirk is still town, and i'm much less confident in isis, so VOTE: dunnstral this slot has been fairly bad from the beginning and has not gotten better.

I don't think TGP is town and this post deserves pressure

'This post is bad'

That's a weird thing to say.

I may have worded it weird.

I think his post is blatantly bad in that after not posting for 400 posts he looks, sees me voting him, and naked votes me by saying my slot has always been bad

And their is general low-effort coming from them to try to get a good scumread

'TGP decides my slot has always been bad'

[I checked -- TGP's only prior comment on Dunn's slot is in RVS post for the cute stuff (109)

Dunn has more reasoning behind his vote than Golden. I suppose "How can you accuse me of doing something that you're doing to me?" as a defense isn't enough especially when Dunn at least has one reason up on Golden

I still am not sure what Golden's motivation is for heavily defending Gypx at a time where Gypx was being suspected is. I think that they don't really have a case for taylor-Dunn and they haven't really stated one still, instead accusing Dunn of doing the same thing as them which is partly true but not totally. it's possible im focusing on something unimportant with the Gypx town case

[Morning Tweet]

wait is tweetie actually fidget? this would explain a lot of things.

Not the first person to mention this to me. is it because her avatar is a nimbat?

[Morning Tweet]

do you have a read on jessie (TRQ), Golden?

[Morning Tweet]

993 I have seen scum towncase their buddies so if TGP were to flip scum, I wouldn’t necessarily rule out Gypx as a buddy. It would be much easier for me if Dunn were to obvtown but he still definitely looks better here than TGP. In general a trustworthy towntell is having lots of townreads eventhough I’ve seen people get suspicious of that, because it’s not smart for scum to do that because then they have to walk them back and TGP has pushed on way more slots in this game than he has townreads on. I think he only mentioned Gypyx and me iirc?

I see, but have you seen scum towncase a buddy as their main contribution to the thread by far? 12ish posts, half of which are devoted to Gypx, or something around there and it tends to be the longest of their posts. Scum can easily defend scum dont get me wrong, i suppose it's the ratio of defending gypx to the rest of their content

im not decided on Golden yet so i suppose this is a bit premature ror me to think about anyway.

[Morning Tweet]

what makes gypyx scummy?

his last post is:

"Ok i'm here catchup time"

and that was a day ago?

I feel like we might need to send out a search party soon.

does uh, mafia seem likely to do this to you?

hahahah

ive seen it from both alignments. I dont think its telling, or at least the occurence itself isnt. Maybe in context or with regards to the player

am I reading it right that you interpret it as towny, jessie? Perhaps scum is too self conscious to do that or gives an excuse sooner

[Morning Tweet]

MT, quick gut take: how +town is the gypyx defense for TGP?

i liked it

I dont see what purpose there is for scum to use the majority of their time defending another player who is being suspected, when they themself are drawing suspicion

Actually, I guess thatd be an alright WIFOM play for partners, I suppose. and some people find it hard to scumread as scum. I'm not confident enough to defend Golden because if they flipped scum i wouldn't be terribly shocked, but i wouldn't be eith a town flip either

[Morning Tweet]

you think Golden is intentionally trying to die? Wait.

that sounded like something that could be true for a moment there, but im not sure how the defense of gypx or bussing Dunn fits in

am i understanding you right that you think golden is trying to die for the purpose of another player? hmmmm

[Morning Tweet]

didnt golden go for Taylor-Dunn first?

What motivated you to ISO/re-evaluate TGP?

i feel guilty that i havent been reading a lot of the reasons for suspecting them and a lot of the longer posts recently. I am mainly going off my first impression of their gypx case and read on jessie

[Morning Tweet]

i was just thinking that Golden accepted their death really quickly, but perhaps i missed a lot of the build-up

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: MT not really a fan of you dancing around this wagon.

You think that im dancing around the wagon because..?

[Morning Tweet]

Like I am specifically waiting to have a read on Golden before i feel like i can justifiably vote or defend there. Dancing, maybe, but im not great with my feet

[Morning Tweet]

i do not think TGP accepting their death is scum-indictative, i thought it was really fast. I only mentioned it because of Pookys theory.

I am sorry for being wishy washy around the read but i do not have a lot of confidence in it, not enough to defend them

[Morning Tweet]

that is me summarized in a single post, Infinity. Well the first sentence anyway. A lot of my early townpings are reachy and can be hit or miss, which hurts my confidence quite a bit -- but I'm no good at scumreading, maybe im okay late, but early, it's very unusual for me to find something very suspicious

[Morning Tweet]

i feel like when ive rounded up a bunch of players in the PoE, i still can't justify voting them because i dont have a reason to -- they're just not in my town pool.

Golden I got some pings on, but not nearly as much as say, Gloria or jessie. And I can see why some of their actions are scummy, i just disagree with he conclusion. in this case, the gypx obsession in particular i dont think is strong evidence.

[Morning Tweet]

i feel like when ive rounded up a bunch of players in the PoE, i still can't justify voting them because i dont have a reason to -- they're just not in my town pool.

Golden I got some pings on, but not nearly as much as say, Gloria or jessie. And I can see why some of their actions are scummy, i just disagree with he conclusion. in this case, the gypx obsession in particular i dont think is strong evidence.

*mind blown*. You seriously think I’m scum here? Am I taking crazy pills? I think I must be. :shifty:

i worded that awkwardly, my bad

You and jessie are my strongest town. i would be mind blown if you take this "I'm obvtown how can't anyone see it?" tone as scum

Oh :lol: I am so obviously towntelling in this game, it’s just whack that anyone is seriously scumreading me. I think that Skitter and Pooky mat be the only ones here that even have a clue wrt to my scumgame and this is definitely not it. And that’s another reason why I’m confident on Isis because scum!Isis would do this weird hedgey thing on me if she were scum. I rarely joke when I’m scum because I’m already extremely stressed out. And yes, I don’t think scum!Skitter would be pocketing me here because if she knows who I am, she knows I’m towntelling.

Case and point lol

[Morning Tweet]

am I reading it right that you interpret it as towny, jessie?

no more like, i don't think it is reasonable for pooky to interpret it as scummy and paint it that way, especially when gypyx was at the bottom of pooky's readslist long before the catchup thing

Oh, I agree with that then. i don't think making a post like that and then ghosting is much of a scum tell, although i also don't see why scum couldnt either.

no more like, i don't think it is reasonable for pooky to interpret it as scummy and paint it that way, especially when gypyx was at the bottom of pooky's readslist long before the catchup thing

so like, when asked why is gypyx mafia, why would the reasoning be, oh his last post is 'catchup time' a day ago when that isn't like a '!!! definitely mafia!!!' thing

Recency, i suppose?

[Morning Tweet]

i think morning tweet is saying she got town pings from us, not scum pings, if i am understanding correctly, since she said we were two of her top townreads earlier

Oh really? Then I’m obviously reading wrong. Sorry @MT. :facepalm:

Oh i see this was already covered. that was my bad lol, ping usually has a negative connotation to it

[Morning Tweet]

I’d be impressed by gloria’s “I’m so obvtown” act is she’s scum since she’s...not obvtown.

lmao

Well, I would really like everyone to take a look at 1070 and tell me what they think?

I'm a policy no meta player. When you're used to people putting on acts meta becomes useless lol

Meta is really good for solving players who can't alter their meta with ease, though. Sometimes there are just things you cant pull off as scum. Meta DESTROYS me because of how much i loathe playing it

Meta bites me a lot for using it but i find that a lot of the time, I am more comfortable giving reads on players if I like, actually know them. Sometimes i know them to be hard to read but still

[Morning Tweet]

Ok, I did want to talk about this cause I’m still not sure on MT. Yes town re-evaluates based on new information, but there didn’t really seem to be any new information that MT was taking into account. Yes town can go back and ISO someone, but it didn’t seem particularly motivated to me. Scum opportunism seemed like a likely reason to re-evaluate there. Yeah personality could be another reason, but my gut is still kinda bothered by it.

why don't I seem motivated to you? (ノ﹏ヽ)

[Morning Tweet]

Wait a second are you saying you don't want to solve me because it's more fun to not solve me?

it's exactly the opposite, I'm still solving you, once I've finished solving you I won't be able to keep doing it. :3

When I get sure enough about a read I choose to stop considering them for the rest of the game. Some people don't really have a threshhold for that but I definitely do.

I am actually maybe sads that Flea is kind of getting to that point where I don't get to keep solving them, they might already be past it. (I want a super fancy emoji sad face to go here but I can't do fancy drawring like Flea)

I agree with regards to Flea, i think they would be a lot less comfortable and solvey as scum from what i've seen

I would possibly interpret it differently if it was not my betrothed herself, and I don't think I've seen you play much with her before

♡

I feel like my personality was always falsely pinging you in our early games together, and i was always overly suspicious of you for no reason. Even when i agreed with you i gave you a negative handicap on towniness cause I felt like you'd be scary at scum. i am so happy that we can share this moment together (´^ω^`)

[Morning Tweet]

I don't get TGP's defense of gypyx in 725, but I kind of liked TGP in it. Will be interesting to see why he's such a big wagon right now.

tgp looks like a gypyx partner

I didn't like any of Skitter30's posting on this page and am especially curious on this. I don't get pushing this association.

this is my interpretation of the TGP-gypyx interacton. I also agree that the TGP/Gypx partner idea doesn't make sense.

[Hectic]

VC on this page.

(Dunn/Skitter30/Gypyx/Jessie) is the people I don't have good vibes on.
It's also to some extent concerning overlapping with people not approaching the game in a certain way.

TGP isn't really a

townread

but I initially got bad vibes from, there's a couple of things that seem weird from scum, and my POE hates them, so they get townpoints for that.

This is a really good list, except i townread jessie

Gloria and Jessie im strongest on. Infinity is close to them. and below them, hopkirk + Pooky + Isis + Flea i've all gotten townleans on.

leaving ydrasse, golden, skitts, dunn, and gypx. Ydrasse and Golden i have weak reasoning for. The other three i just don't have an opinion on. I think Gypx's behaviour is sort of weird for scum but ive seen scum do it too. Skitts (along with Isis) in their sort of 1v1 i just have been glossing over after initially disagreeing with what i saw. I'm not confident in my ability to read skitts without associative information. Dunn is playing like he did in forest fire and silent star 1.. which unfortunately i took to be as a scumtell in Forest fire and miselimed him (or tried to anyway). i think I know what to watch out for to learn his alignment

[Morning Tweet]

I think jessie freaking out over the "I'm a jester" find is town indictative, it seemed genuine to me. I agree with Flea that it's very unlikely they are jesters, but im inclined to think scum!Jessie has the thought to search back for that post like this:

TGP has shown willingness to dedicate time to the game with a few of the posts and is just being shonky.

it explains gypyx posting the 'catchup time' post and then not catching up. it explains thegoldenparadox dedicating so much of their iso to tying themselves to gypyx. it feels like maybe not the very best way to orchestrate a day one dual jester plan but it definitely feels like a way and it explains all of the oddities of the game to me. i think there is a pretty good chance they are aligned jesters.

the weird "trying to die" thing made me go "Aha!" earlier, at least for a little bit. I think jessie is genuinely setup specing from this which goes along with what i was thinking at the beginning of the game

regarding the jester theory itself, no I don't think they are intentionally trying to die. I agree with Isis that Hectic likely wouldn't use a possibly hated mechanic such as punishing town for eliminating scum.

Jessie, what do you currentl give the odds of there being something related to Golden/Gypx trying to die? I think that Golden and Gypyx's behaviour is really odd, but i don't think suicidal

[Morning Tweet]

i'm going to be honest here that like, this theory is so specific that it kinda weirds me out for how strongly you reacted to/abt it @trq

like uhh, it's one of those things that like i guess it could be a Thing happening but idk you seem really freaked out by the prospects of it somehow unfolding d1 to instant loss and like, i guess it's sort of weird too because i can't gauge well if it's towny or scummy paranoia?

Have you played with jessie before, by any chance? i think it's specific but i dont think the reaction is odd given that we have spent a great deal of time establishing how strange those two's behaviour is and there isn't really a good explanation

[Morning Tweet]

TGP has shown willingness to dedicate time to the game with a few of the posts and is just being shonky.

it explains gypyx posting the 'catchup time' post and then not catching up. it explains thegoldenparadox dedicating so much of their iso to tying themselves to gypyx. it feels like maybe not the very best way to orchestrate a day one dual jester plan but it definitely feels like a way and it explains all of the oddities of the game to me. i think there is a pretty good chance they are aligned jesters.

Ok nvm jessie is just town

yes

okay i've accepted i'm going to be limmed and i ask that y'all give me a chance to look at my reads before hammering me

here is what you should take from my townflip

gypyx is always town here
dunn is probably scum
i'll work on providing a few more reads but i'm ridiculously confident in town gypyx and somewhat confident in scum dunn and i ask that in the second part of d1 upon my flip you get dunn)

i think this is remarkably out of character for town!you

I think this could be biiiig. what makes you say this? I am really sorry if you already said and i just haven't read it

I think Jester paranoia in general is something more likely to come from scum than town

why?

i'm not jester lol
like as much as i'm getting scumread this game, if i wanted to be eliminated d1, it would be incredibly easy for me to just.. get limmed d1 because i have to make real conscious effort in every game against that as both alignments so i could just.. not

I believe you

[Morning Tweet]

hm. still 1000% confident that gypyx is town, but losing confidence in dunnscum. i was going to locktown jessie and then i saw the whole jester thing and now i'm just confused. i'm

vt

, so i have no idea what she's trying to do there.

why'd the jester thing make you dislike jessie? or confused on her anyway

[Morning Tweet]

i mean i think half my wagon is already scum :^p

do you usually have a tendency to scumread those who suspect you, Golden?

town: gypyx, infinity, hopkirk
townlean: ydrasse, gloria, morning tweet, pooky
nulltown: jessie, isis
nullscum: flea
scumlean: dunn
scum: skitter

Your reads directly correspond with your wagon + jessie and i believe isis who are also on your case.

it seemed like an incredibly awkward thing to focus on when an elimination was close, and to me, the beginning felt like an original, genuine thought process but the amount of thought and time jessie tried to spend on it felt overblown and fake. to be completely honest, i suspect jessie is a 3p of some sort.

I don't really think jessies' response to the jester theory seemed faked. 1155 makes perfect sense to me, your/Gypyx's behaviours specifically is what felt strange and the jester theory almost made sense to explain it, but i think with more information it doesn't really make sense. As for skitts, how is she below Dunn in your reads now? -- you mentioned earlier that you lost confidence in Dunn being scum, but why?

[Morning Tweet]

You do seem motivated! It’s just I couldn’t see the motivation to re-ISO TGP at first.

i suppose i just hate to feel like im playing lazy and unfair to people by not reading everything they've said, particularly before voting. thats the best way i can think of to to explain it

[Morning Tweet]

i would be really surprised if Flea is scum

I think this could be biiiig. what makes you say this? I am really sorry if you already said and i just haven't read it

i didn't say it - i am unable to say it at this time because of [redacted]

I see

Spoiler: skitts' reads

i'm townreading the most: mt, jessie, flea, infinity
next tier town reads: ydrasse, pooky, gloria (tbf gloria is like somewhere in between this tier and the tier above it)
null: dunn, gypyx
scumlean: hopkirk, isis
scum: tgp

assorted thoughts on assorted players:

tgp's vote on me, coupled with the loss of their dunn scumread, is p gross and survivalistic imo. their content is not good, and they are reacting to this wagon on them in a way that i think is incongruent with how town!them would

gypyx ... does anyone have experience with him? cuz he's basically prodging and i wanna know if that's ai for him or not

flea is a shining beacon of wholesomeness and towniness

infinity is just obvtown

i think jessie's freakout wrt the jester thing is incredibly unlikely to come from scum, even if i disagree with her thought process

isis i still think her push on me is kinda fake

pedit fair enough but that's not something i can easily argue with u abt so i'm just gonna shrug and accept that you're not reading me right

i like your townreads. Although i guess they are pretty much beacons for the most part. That is also my interpretation of jessie.

I feel like you and Isis' feud has just not been very AI for me, but i feel bad i'm sort of glazing over it. It kinda just seems like you guys talk past each other at this point. "It feels like you aren't actually responding to me", "You're talking at me not to me", etc. etc. if it becomes necessary i will review but rn i put my faith in my beloved (´･ω･`)♡

[Morning Tweet]

Forgot to ask @MT, skitter why is scum less likely to freak out about a jester?

it's not really the act of "freaking out about a jester" itself--

to reword: it's not the freakout about the jester itself, so much as how she went about it - it was very clearly a real thought that entered her head that she was very concerned about and i ... just don't see scum reacting that way to that thought

i see that was skitts' opinion

i feel like when Jessie linked back to the jester claim post and the part where she linked it to their behaviours, it revealed it was something that she had been genuinely been thinking about the whole time. like being able to go back and link what you're thinking about with something in the past shows that it has been on your mind. That's the best way i can think to explain that

I did have a similar response to the idea of Golden/Gypx being suicidal at first, though, so i like that too

[Morning Tweet]

i don't know how to explain it better. it didn't look like it came from scum to me

ya

One line of thought is that scum are more likely than town to read play as "jester-ish" because they know who their team-members are and someone who is acting abnormally scummish is more evident to a scum player than say a town player as a result of this.

I maintain town-lean on Jessie due to other things though I have never played with her as scum before.

isn't that what dunn was saying earlier in 1215?

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: Pooky on Golden

Here is a recent example:

infinity, you're town, right? can i just sheep you? VOTE: skitter

i think infinity is town here.

Like this is super weird?

Why is he voting Skitter here, does he actually think she is scum or scummy? he makes no case for skitter!scum in 1225-1230. Looking through his ISO I don't see any case for skitter being red at all. he only mentions 1 sentence about her and it's:

"i think skitter is the best lim tomorrow based off infinity and isis' posting (the latter who i don't have as locktown but presents fairly good arguments against skitter anyways)"

Like what reasoning does he find impressive? What reason does he have to want to elim her?

Originally he didn't like Dunn and wanted Dunn elim'd but now he's moving to Skitter from Dunn so where is the progression that takes him there? I don't see anything posted in his ISO that really explains how he is getting from Dunn to Skitter as the best elim today. Here's his progression on Dunn which I found implausible to be real:

687 "so VOTE: dunnstral this slot has been fairly bad from the beginning and has not gotten better."

828 "i mean, it really isn't? i've been scumreading your slot from the start, and you have done absolutely nothing to make it townier."

883 "i find it incredibly interesting that i'm attacked for low-effort voting dunn without a significant amount of reasoning but dunn is not attacked for the exact same thing, which makes me incredibly suspicious that at least one of the people using that line of reasoning are simply chainsawing on an easy argument."

1027 "dunn is probably scum
i'll work on providing a few more reads but i'm ridiculously confident in town gypyx and somewhat confident in scum dunn and i ask that in the second part of d1 upon my flip you get dunn)"

1029 "my scumcase on dunn is admittedly less evidence based but there is a strong opening post/gutread on that slot and i ask you take it into consideration"


1226 "still 1000% confident that gypyx is town, but losing confidence in dunnscum." <<<-- I do not understand this transition - what changed between 1029 and 1226 to make dunn go from "flip this guy after I flip green" to "losing confidence in dunnscum let's kill skitter instead?"

Could it be my absurd idiot theory from 1035 ???

I will LOL if we r really in a Dunn/TGP world and dunn told TGP to change tack because distancing is not giving dunn town cred because its being done so transparently badly.

It is getting really hard to deny that something strange is going on. i really don't think jesters are the answer

I think jesters are generally bad game design and also hilariously enough i thought TGP's post where they denied being a jester was genuine earlier

i am not really sure what it is that would explain the weird behaviour, though

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Yeah, I considered that. It just seems like an odd time to try to pocket me, since I was already TRing them and pushing skitter. Like, what were they hoping to gain from home, a better defense? When they know I struggle to articulate my gut?

Yeah, I considered that. It just seems like an odd time to try to pocket me, since I was already TRing them and pushing skitter. Like, what were they hoping to gain from home, a better defense? When they know I struggle to articulate my gut?

I just don’t understand why they ask you for permission to sheep if they honestly changed their read on Skitter, because it reads to me like piggybacking you. Why don’t they just straight up say, on re-evaluation I prefer Skitter to Dunn and just vote her? Why is the “hey Infinity, okay if I sheep you” thing even necessary here?

I don't think it was a pocket attempt if Golden is scum-- i think it's blatantly having difficulty coming up with reasons to suspect skitts (or on someone in general). I don't think it was specific to Infinity, i think it was just by virtue of skitts being the biggest wagon

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TGP's chopping block behaviour has been pretty poor. I increasingly think they just flip scum.

It's scummy to have jerky read progressions and it stays scummy even if you fill in the holes later. Pooky why do you want to wait for TGP to give delayed reasons for why they're voting skitter? Like I'm sure they can think of something now, either way. I've played with TGP before and I think they're good at scum ^^ so I think they could manage that pretty well.

I mean I kind of know the point but I'm trying to think of a response I'd be happy with and I can't really think of one.

Spoiler: Golden notes

1260 - disagree with jessie's reaction being overblown
1266 - Skitts is their highest scumread now
1269 - Calls half of wagon scum, aligns with readslist where bottom half is ther wagon
1305 - Clarifies that Dunn scumread has not disappeared

I agree, Golden has reiterated their reads and clarified misconceptions but didn't *actually* address what was being asked. The thing i'm most curious about is how skitts ended up at the bottom of their reads, since it seemed that Golden originally was just going off of what Infinity said and not their own thoughts. but come around to 1269, skitts is scummier than Dunn

if Pooky is scum, why bother to give golden more chances rather than not? I think you're probably correct with regards to the ship having already sailed on skitts reasoning but continuing to engage with someone even at this point is very much something i could see myself doing

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I often get suspicious when players throw other players lifesaver rings in mafia game but thinking about it I don't know whether that's something scum would do more often than town or why I get suspicious about it.

Ah okay

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Isis hold meeeee i wanna be in your arms alreadyy

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Nothing on this page makes sense to me

if you think Dunn is partnered with Golden, why are you switching to Dunn? And i'm completely missing Gloria's point about Dunn townreading Pooky and pooky's point about Dunn townreading Golden

maybe i shouldn't be playing right now but im missing most of what is going on here and im very sorry if im misunderstood

pedit: What about 1461 implies a townread on Pooky? thats the part im missing

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so i've heard (ノ﹏ヽ)

it's not true -- isis smells lovely!

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with regards to 1475

I could see 1461 by Dunn maybe TMI-ing Golden being scum if you stretch it, but i fail to see what that has to do with a pooky townread.

And then Pooky called it TMI-ing Golden being town so now I couldn't be more confused. and then Golden called that a town reaction despite it not making sense to me. So I feel like im probably just completely missing the point

[Hectic]

VC on this page.

if you're arguing that Dunn is a partner of Golden then why are you flipping Dunn first? i'm pretty sure that's what he's getting at and that's largely what is losing me here

I am just completely lost at how no one interpreted it that way which leads me to believe im missing something but i can't delve rn

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if you're arguing that Dunn is a partner of Golden then why are you flipping Dunn first? i'm pretty sure that's what he's getting at and that's largely what is losing me here

I am just completely lost at how no one interpreted it that way which leads me to believe im missing something but i can't delve rn

You don’t think it logical to prefer to flip the one you find scummier first, why?

that was more referring to Pooky and whoever else is arguing that Golden and Dunn are together, which i thought you were

As for you specifically, your point against Dunn seems to be his read progression on Pooky. you keep referencing 1461 but i'm totally missing where he townreads Pooky there

I think Dunn might still be scum outside of this but i fail to see what you're seeing (aside from calling Isis sweaty, which hurts my feelings vicariously). But like so many people are seeing it when im not so im worried im just not seeing right

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it'd be cute if tweet/gloria could vote

(◕ω◕) ♡

VOTE: TGP

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Spoiler: Golden and Dunnstral

changelog

infinity votes dunnstral (46)
dunnstral votes hopkirk (84)
thegoldenparadox votes taylor (109)
isis votes thegoldenparadox (180)
infinity votes dunnstral (186)
thegoldenparadox votes isis (277)
skitter votes thegoldenparadox (284)
morning tweet votes dunnstral (324)
dunnstral votes thegoldenparadox (530)
thegoldenparadox votes dunnstral (687)
hopkirk votes dunnstral (691)
pooky votes thegoldenparadox (738)
jessie votes thegoldenparadox (832)
ydrasse votes thegoldenparadox (860)
isis votes thegoldenparadox (876)
flea votes thegoldenparadox (906)
flea votes thegoldenparadox (1150)
thegoldenparadox votes skitter (1225)
pooky votes thegoldenparadox (1293)
infinity votes dunnstral (1397)
isis votes dunnstral (1402)
pooky votes dunnstral (1421)
hopkirk votes dunnstral (1423)
gloria cleary votes thegoldenparadox (1434)
thegoldenparadox votes dunnstral (1458)
infinity votes thegoldenparadox (1533)
jessie votes thegoldenparadox (1547)
pooky votes thegoldenparadox (1568)
ydrasse votes thegoldenparadox (1569)

i bet this will comes in handy. Thank you jessie

from memory though i think skitts, gloria, pooky, jessie, dunn and maybe Isis were hardest on Golden. Skitts/Isis I sort of forget because they did their own things but i think they were early

and actually like so did everyone under the pretense that Golden would be flipped, i recall several players going elsewhere but clarifying they were still on Golden. I'll do this more seriously after flip so i dont accidentally waste my time. But my townreads do largely align with those who were on Golden, besides Infinity but he also eventually went there

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i want an apology from dunn for calling my bride sweaty it hurt my feelings

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@Hectic V/LA until Wednesday please

i really need to prioritize a bunch of other things right now (ノ﹏ヽ) im very sorry

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hello, everyone (´-ω-`)

was there some insane revelation that was come to while i was gone... are you all just voting Hectic because why not? I am assuming the later

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the solution almost certainly wouldn't be 'unanimous votes' or 'vote a different mod' - hectic was hammered and my no elimination vote will be reflected in the vote count if that is possible.

i mean we should do the full unanimous vote on hectic first to test that.

then start voting out the co-mods.

let's get it wrapped up so we can go back to playing the game if we're wrong.

Hectics been hammered, if this doesn't work we need to speedwagon the comods!

like this is ??? at best.

hahahaha a unanimous vote on Hectic

It is also known as "a joke." and "Having fun".

Was this all a joke or serious? I see answers that make me think both -- i think reading into reactions could potentially be helpful yeah, but i dont see why you'd need a unanimous vote. so I assume it's a joke at this point

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Spoiler:

if this was a game with evil hectic-mod against 13 VTs.

i would expect we need every vote on hectic to actually slay the monster

the vote count is a lie because Hectic will do anything to save himself.

i mean he does have 2 co-mods...

we should elim-test them next if a unanimous wagon on hectic fails

perhaps this is one of those games where you have to elim the guardians before the main boss becomes vulnerable.

anything could happen

honestly i’m down

Ok yeah it was a joke. I guess reactions could potentially be useful. so far i think basically most of the game was just down to try it

The wedding preppers look sheepishly at each other. They supposed it was believable that TheGoldenParadox had just brought the bread in from home... Pooky points his finger at the Stonemason, Hectic. This is all your fault. You could've stopped us but you let it happen. Gloria Cleary nods in support. That's true; who's worse, the person committing the crime, or the ones that just stand by and watch? Ydrasse, Flea The Magician, and Gypyx also join in on the assault. There is not much Hectic can do against the mob.

Oh dear

this is 100% why this lasted so long, isn't it? Freakin Hectic writing flavour for ppl voting the mod

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VOTE: No Elimination

im curious actually -- did anyone try this yet rather than vote Hectic?

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oh disregard that then

I saw Ydrasses' post on it potentially being all VT and that led me to wonder. But that would be mega bastard actually so that probably doesn't make sense. Unless if alignments get determined after the first two days and we're actually in a limbo state right now where we haven't **really** received our alignments and it's just an illusion

i don't feel very strongly about this stretch of pages. I think Flea is still strong town

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Yeah true but I just want it confirmed whether a no launch is even an option in this game, just in case. That’s the basic difference between the lolHectic wagon and a no launch wagon. The first one is guaranteed to be harmless, not sure about the second.

yes that is why i said:

i don't think anyone else should

when i voted to check.

My reading comprehension is low today my apologies (ノ﹏ヽ)

in all likelihood i dont think it'll do anything but it's more plausible than voting mod.

To confirm, is it true that you guys felt empowered by the flavour of Hectic being attacked by the players, or did that not factor in?

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cat

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could you pull out your townie heart real quick pooky i wanna see it

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i have no idea who it is and I can't do big reviews atm. Very frustrating. I don't feel good placing a vote

i think there's a nonzero, maybe decentish chance something about the game im not aware of is causing reads to be fucky, but also I have a townread problem so perhaps not.


found this cute bat on my phone tho

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i know that i'll have a chance to set aside a large block of time before the deadline to do sleuthing and make my best guess, though. very sorry about it taking so long :X

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VOTE: Hopkirk

By my count, Gypyx is 2 ahead of Hop. I get the feeling something REALLY strange is happening so allow me to make it interesting

Seriously, wtf happened today? i could only skim but still, it's weird that momentum never gathered anywhere except Gypyx

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It's really odd

Normally i'd vote Gypyx as a sort of policy and be done with it, but i get the sense he actually probably doesn't flip scum

Hop I think technically has higher chances of flipping scum but i'm more interested in why Gypyx was the only one who got real votes today.

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i usually associate a lot of feelings with the games i play, so it kinda "colours" my memory of the game

This one is like, extremely odd. I just feel lost. It's sort of frustrating, but at the same time it feels like it's just something im not aware of causing it

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Is it possible that other town knows something I dont? There is probably very few scum if my reads are right, and it would make sense with the way the thread generally feels

But everyone's VT.. -- does that restrict other information being given? is it a total coincidence the only thing Golden did was defend Gypyx and now the only person who gains votes is Gypyx? am I losing my mind here

I dont know, i suppose i would be really surprised if Gypyx is scum that gets a hard towncase from the flipped townie and has everything going for him, then ghosts out of the game completely for some reason. and then he's the only one who amassed a real wagon

[Morning Tweet]

EVERYONE

i have an important announcement to make

Spoiler:

that is all

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cute bat :D

(≧∀≦)

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I don't get how MT sees a wagon with Skitter30/Dunn/Gyp on it after saying she doesn't like those three (plus a weak townread, Isis) and says to herself 'yes, i'd prefer to join that wagon than the one all of my townreads are pushing'. Like how can you claim to be a POE player then go for a wagon

every single one of your scumreads wants

...sudden and temporary bout of insanity?

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three/seven people who voted me are blaming their votes on insanity :lol:

hey i tried (≧∀≦)

I do love you Hop

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i don't really have any excuse for this -- i was swamped with classwork, yes, but i still had opportunities to play that i just didn't take. I ended up seriously not enjoying this game. Which sucks considering i love everyone here

and of course, i love you Hop

sigh

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this guy seriously keeps me going

Spoiler:

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it's not blinking! it's ear flapping! and i forget whether fast or slow flapping is scummy

Guess that makes it a good tell though

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helloooo everybodyyyy

I am annoyed i don't get to dance. very much so. but those royals had it coming

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i want to save Isis as badly as Loki wants to save princess peach

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Gloria wanted to distance in order to deepwolf I think, she was open to switching to TGP if flea decided to vote dunn

I’m not gonna let go of my SR on you because people disagree with me, the past 4 or so towngames of mine have been a story of me doubting my SRs because people disagree with me or holding onto them in spite of it. In either case the SRs were right. My tweet SR in this game is a great example of me doubting myself because everyone else said I was an idiot and I was right.

ftr you were scumreading me at least partially for the wrong reasons. I wasn't dancing around the TGP wagon cause i wanted to hammer it, it totally slipped my mind that i could be interpreted that way. i was just doing what i do as town

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I don’t know about anyone else but I am not that stupid to fall for it.

Well that's awkward

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(ノ﹏ヽ)

i am missing out so hard

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isis i luv uuu ♡♡♡

..sorry

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(/ω＼)

i love that face Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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So close!

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Mhm, I was far less satisfied with how this played out compared to Menagerie

I'm sorry the scummers didn't have much fun this game :[

i really liked the concept of there being a scary high amount of scum! and i liked the flavour for it too with the assassins crashing the party. Should have let me marry Isis tho -- i had really high hopes for marriage being a factor you dont understand

while in theory i liked it, in practice it felt like there was nothing we could do in the later half of the game which kinda sucked -- but town did play well so I don't mind too much

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Yep sorry hopkirk <3
I felt super bad for pushing you, and i think theres like multiple pages on the scum pt with all of us saying the same thing

You were spot on and super townie, and in a normal game you never get limmed there

yeah... getting voted there just sort of made me lose all faith in my ability as a player if its possible for me to get voted at that point after that day... until hectic asked me who i thought the 6 scum were.

I FELT SO BAD

i did mean it early game when i mentioned we had similar playstyles when it came to reads and i do believe we would have probably reached similar conclusions if we were town together -- and i would never have betrayed you at the end there, not in a million years. i am so sorry for that

[Morning Tweet]

What? come again? Tweetie wasn’t town. ??????

tweetie is always town hehe :3

*flops ears*

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