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VOTE: Benhalkum

Hey there Titus.

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Why'd you change your vote Titus?

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Were you scum? Was she scum?

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So maybe as town Titus likes to reaction vote?

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I think Titus is town. But I am rarely listened to day 1.

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VOTE: rannygazoo

Baaa!

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I don't know my last game I was negative utility I claimed first post and town one

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Won

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Why are you grouping us together?

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Is vca theory?

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Ok no vca then or else we're scum.

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She was scum in one of my recent games, sneaky little $#$!$.

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Wait a minute, YOU were in that game.

FOS: Superbowl9

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I think Titus is town. But I am rarely listened to day 1.

I think this is for the better, wouldn’t you agree? Just kidding, I think you did what you had to do last time we played. I’m just glad Town pulled it off.

I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids!

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I want to know why superrbowl9 doesn't include Large Normal 229(the last large normal btw) as "one of these days".

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I.don't know but lying is always suspicious.

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Why am I scum?

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Titus is excellent as scum I've played with her.

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VOTE: benhalkum

Fl and titus seem to have more experience with him than me.

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Holy OMGUS vote batman.

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You not omgusing before makes this less OMGUS? Think not.

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What's wrong with sheeping? It's not like there's a whole lot of action yet.

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Vote Count 1.8

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate.

benhalkum

(5): Alchemist21, Flavor Leaf, superbowl9, Titus, NoPowerOverMe |

L-2

NoPowerOverMe

(3): Battle Mage, benhalkum, OutWorldER

Titus

(2): Non lmh, hessian

superbowl9

(2): Rannygazoo, Andresvmb

Not Voting

(1): wiyvern

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-12-07 17:23:44).

Mod notes:

I am using Thesp's automated votecounter - please notify me if there are any errors.
hessian is V/LA until Sunday.
Deadline has been extended by 4 days for the Thanksgiving holiday.

Ben would rather be elimed than implicate his buddies I think.

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Would they be lock scum if he flipped red?

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If not saying to quickhammer but self voting is a scum claim in my book.

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I'm

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A partial day of conversation shouldn't be worth your death. Your defeatest attitude isn't townie.

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I am. I'm sorry you don't like the conversation.

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Town is in a comfortable spot right now from where I see it.

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I remeber him being the strongeest proponent of ben's elimination.

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I would be down to elim him as well.

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Vote Count 2.1

With 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to eliminate.

OutWorldER

(2): Rannygazoo, superbowl9

superbowl9

(1): Titus

Not Voting

(8): Flavor Leaf, Non lmh, OutWorldER, Alchemist21, Battle Mage, wiyvern, NoPowerOverMe, hessian

Mod notes:

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hessian is V/LA until Sunday.
wiyvern has responded to their prod. They have (expired on 2020-11-30 15:01:17) to post or risk being replaced.

A self vote and quick hammer after my vote? If anything that makes me look good.

Your OMGUS sucks tho.

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What's the difference between townbeard and tstbs?

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I'm going against the standard grain of thought so I a must be scum! Good thinking!

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Because you know, how things went down D1 worked so well for us.

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Good reasoning again. Don't put yourself out.

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I don't find them relevent so I don't feel the need to comment.

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Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm not scumhunting.

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You were the one that lolhammered Ben, let's not forget.

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I find OWER's defense of FL interesting.

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I'm a little bit uncomfortable with the person primarialy responsible for the D1 mislynch saying who is and who isn't town at this point.

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I'm not saying they're not entittled. I'm just saying I don't trust them.

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If I lolhammered someone and they ended up town I would be trying to listen to others opinions more rather than trying to lead another miselimination D2.

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Flavor Leaf and OutworldER look like they could be buddies.

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If you're going to promote a town elimination than you deserve to be scumread and probably eliminated.

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Flavor Leaf and OutworldER look like they could be buddies.

why?

Because they both are scummy and neither is willing to attack each other and they are avoiding talking to each other.

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I remeber him being the strongeest proponent of ben's elimination.

NPOM actually looks bad because they put the E-2 vote, then Ben self voted.

This is pure OMGUS.

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Okay, well let's just say overreactive then.

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@FL I want to know why you think OWER is town and I'm scum.

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Sorry, FL, but your locktowning of OWER lost some credibility with me. Either you're scum or you're not taking the game seriously.

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That makes no sense. If there is a miselim D1 you should be pushing those who cauesed it.

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OWER was the one most directly responsible for the fade. Any suggestion otherwise is an attempt to push suspicion away from him

@SB: Please elaborate on FL's mindset.

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I specifically said we should discuss before hammering. Then OWER hammered. So how are those further back on the wagon more responsible?

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He voted himself and got himself hammered. Usually putting someone at L2 isn't an indication you want them eliminated immediately.

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If he thought I was scum he should have voted me instead of himself.

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I am leaning towards OWER being scum power role and FL being his buddy. No reason for FL to attack me instead of OWER here.

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Yeah, he also self voted so where does that leave his credibility?

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FL's logic is zero here.

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why wiyvern?

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Thoses who self vote don't have credibility. He deserved his elimination. I disagree with how the elimination happened.

VOTE: OutworldER

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I have a tendancy to look awkward on D1, but I'm sure I'm not alone on that.

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Why wiyvern?

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VOTE: Hessain

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i think there's something reassuring in the way NPOM joined the Hessian wagon without question, but was more hesitant on Wiyvern. Presumably those suspicious of NPOM can get behind the Hessian wagon on that basis.

I am driving consensus Titus.

makes me think Wiveryn over Hessian as a partner for NPOM.

Because BM said he had iso'd Hessian, he didn't say that for Wiveryn.

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I am not against eliminating wiyvern, all I said was I wanted a reasoning.

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I had really not put much thought into either wiyvern or hessain untiil BM brought them up.

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I have a feeling FL is having conflicting thoughts about the role he wants to be playing.

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you're saying you're backseat but you have the highest postcount.

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Mass claiming would be a bad idea.

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

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There's a lot to be reactive on between self voting, quickhammers, and an early massclaim request.

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btw smoking is bad for your health

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I would disagree.

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I think it's interesting that you think OWER is town and you're up my butt instead of his.

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I'm not overreacting, I'm just responding to your statements.

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@BM: The person who targeted you is dead? And the only way of confirming you is gone? This isn't suspicious or anything.

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I'm not implicating him in the death, just wondering what the chances are of this actually being true are.

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Vanilla Town

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I'm not implicating him in the death, just wondering what the chances are of this actually being true are.

i'd say, in the absence of a counter-claim, it's fairly likely to be true?

And why would I lie about it?

How could anyone counterclaim since your neighbor is dead unless they watched/tracked?

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Or they were recruited as a neighbor I guess. But any of those situations are highly unlikely.

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It just seems a wierd claim on surface level since your neighbor is the only one night killed so far. Not saying it's not true.

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I'm not saying they're mechanically related, I'm saying it's possible you're using a townie's death to validate your claim. The fact that andres can't back up your claim for you makes me second guess you. Probability indicates you are telling the truth, but it just seems like a strange string of events to me.

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I'm second guessing it because neighbors generally can validate each others claims, and in this case it can't, and the fact that andres died n1 just seems wierd to me.

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You know what I mean, verbal confirmation.

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Yeah, I mean how dare I question the idea of likely the only role that has the ability of having verbal confirmation the confirmer is dead? I already said you're probably being truthful by probability why are you overreacting?

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lol ok, you've voted for 3 people in the last 2 hours.

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Nothing I said he was probably telling the truth.

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Are you worried I'll claim neighbor?

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I didn't make any mistake. I specifically said you were probably telling the truth. I don't know how many times I need to say that and why you're misrepping me.

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I am leaning scum on sb9 based on his recent behavior.

VOTE: Superbowl 9

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E1

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If we get another quickhammer they are definitely scum.

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Regardless if alignment.

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Yeah I've played with Town super and this is not Town super.

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Im pretty competent but I appreciate the compliment, thank you. If you want to eliminate me for being competent go right ahead.

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I think targeting Titus would be a bad choice as town as she would be a likely NK target. This also makes SB9 more likely scum.

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I'm not claiming scum, I feel like you have been misrepping me for a long time now and I don't appreciate it.

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There you go again. I think you're the only player here who thinks I'm "desperate to be elimmed." or what I say is "baffling".

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I wouldn't be against a BM wagon but I like where I am and I'm wondering why BM is focusing on me and not SB9.

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Explain why town would target a high probability night kill to give fruit too?

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I admit I'm not a typical MS Mafia player. I've been told I'm frustrating before. It doesn't make what I say illogical or that I'm scummy.

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We'll have to agree to disagree.

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SB9|BM|Wivyern is my solve right now.

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I feel like BM is bussing SB9 here

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And anyone else who hammers this early in the day would be lock scum.

you wanna fuckin bet

VOTE: Benhalkum

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How is he disrupting?

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Replacement seem to be more active than their predecessors could be that the predecessors were just inactive rather than scummy lurkers.

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Is that an elimination?

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Can I get a list of all claims please I'm getting confused.

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I would like OutworldER to go first please

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It's not a request I already claimed out will go first

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I have a reason for asking this which I would not like to divulge right now

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I've already claimed so there is nothing to stand in the way of out claiming now flavor.

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VOTE: OutworldER

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No

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Why are you lying leaf?

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Only thing I can think of is that you and out world are buddies

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And I am 100% sure leaf is lying

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I'm not 90% I am literally 100%

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I don't give a s*** about your wifom leaf you are lying

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Don't believe a word that comes out of leafs mouth. You can thank me later for catching two scum

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No Mass claim

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Just went out ower and leaf and by then we should have the third one

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Elim rather

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If I crumbed I don't remember it TBH.

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Fine I'm town even neo.
N 2 target ower - not vanilla

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Cause of the hammer I don't think town power role does that.

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Smh

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Watch flavor distance from ower now

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Why did you want Outer to claim first?

To see if he claims vanilla

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Well then that solves that

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We don't know if there's too much town power without knowing scum power.

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I checked his iso and thought he didn't claim.

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What doesn't add up is why leaf is so confident on town ower and why he trusts setup spec over a soft guilty.

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I have the soft guilty

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I think it's safe to say there are not two neos and we did not get opposing vanilla results

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Fact that outer does not claim here makes him scum

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Not liking leaf playing dumb

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I'm not gonna get into a dick waving contest with leaf. Leaf and Ower are partners

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Fl and Ower are really desperate

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There's no to stronger associatives in the game than those two.

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Ower is omgusing me obv

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If ower!town should not be assuming I am faking here.

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I called leaf out not vice versa

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No elim is scummy

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I don't have a history of changing claims. I obviously changed it because I didn't want to get night killed before I had a chance to investigate.

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I called leaf out not vice versa

No, I called you out!!

I saw you were about to change your claim, so I baited you into coming after me because I caught you.

After I noted your lie

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Changing history much?

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I'm 100% telling the truth

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Yeah let's bring their 3rd buddy.

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Here comes the distancing

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It's easy to say it claim wasn't serious after your counterclaimed

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Leaf is throwing a tantrum now

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If you guys fall for the you didn't catch me I caught you trick you are dumb

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If you guys fall for the you didn't catch me I caught you trick you are dumb

Nk bait

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Pressed the wrong quote button on my phone

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If you want to elim me because fl if fl fine but don't say I didn't tell you so. At some point you have to call him out on his bs.

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The fact is I counterclaimed him. Him turning it on me is clever but he is still lying.

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Fl claimed my role. What other reason do I need to tunnel him?

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Yep pretty much

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There's no credit to it aside from the fake claim which had good reasoning.

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I don't think town can afford flipping green here.

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How do you catch flavor leaf?

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I might actually live for wifom

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Yeah I know d&d. You can't give him a free class though.

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Pass

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I personally think leaf is off his game

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You claimed to have caught me after I counterclaimed you

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Self metaing is scummy

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Is fl and Ower in your solve?

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I want to know why fl is so invested in ower.

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Yeah and I have a bridge in china to sell you

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Normally I would be inimidated going up against FL I think I have some credibility with the players in this game I have played with recently.

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FL: I am neopolitan

Me: No, I am neopolitan

FL: Actually, I'm not a nepolitan, I just said that to make you change your claim.

That doesn't look opportunistic at all.

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It was probably more of a slip than a crumb

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I'm done for the night most likely.

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I could be a scum neo.

I could be a scum rolecop.

The fact is I'm neither, I am town neo and got incredibly lucky that FL claimed the same role that I did. I'm not claiming it's skill or anything, or some great testamant to my playing ability.

If nobody sees the reasonableness in me fakeclaiming VT so that i don't get shot before I can use my ability then go ahead and elim me. I'm not going to beg on my hands and knees.

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Why does every flavor leaf game have to end up being all about Flavor Leaf?

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And I don't appreciate the appeal to experience. It doesn't make me less town.

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You can take shots at my credibility all you want, either because I don't have the site clout or because I fake claimed, but you are just flat out wrong here.

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you're literally lying, as I said at the beginning of the day. You can't just rescind a claim when it becomes inconvenient or proof of your guilt.

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Probably fl ower Titus is the scumteam.

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When it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

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I'm willing to consider alch at least.

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It doesn't have to do with my join date I play poker and in poker you play what you're dealt.

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The only possible town ower solution is scum has a buttload of power.

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Or masons are lying

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If you elim me because of LAL then that is pretty bad play.

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If you think it doesn't make sense its because you're not thinking it through or because you're just scum.

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It's up to Ranny and no elim. I think the case has been pretty clearly laid out.

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i claim VT...just kidding.

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makes sense to me.

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I'm just trying to find something.

Math keeps saying scum have to do take a stand, but they're pushing the 3 who were on NPOM yesterday as well, so they're basically just arguing positions where they get to choose what they want either way.

Yeah it's called having a majority. Also, FL/Titus/OWER are more interested in defending each other than scumhunting.

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Also if I live to N4 I have another investigate.

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One solution is to eliminate FL and let OW bodyguard me tonight.

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I'm so pervasive that I brought up my night action.

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@OWer - Hypothetically would you agree to BG me tongiht and would you consider switching your vote to FL?

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I don't see it but there is a town!owER scenario probably.