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[benhalkum]

So, three votes on me "randomly" huh? Well, know where to start looking .

Explain why on first bite randomness a bandwagon is a good idea of you're not scumm.

[benhalkum]

my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.

And this needed saying because?

All you're doing is stopping scum from whiteknighting me based on flimsy evidence and exposing themselves.

...what's the reason behind your entrance being a tad on the aggressive side? I've previously known you to be a lot more moderate and composed as town.

To actually respond to your point, I didn't stop anyone doing anything, by giving a view on something which had already happened.

I'm in a no bullshit mood and I am sick of getting nightkilled day one and then praying people solve without me.

Sick of being night killed on day one but ok with making yourself a target?

I mean, unless you know you're safe at night

[benhalkum]

Not sure that makes me think you're town. I don't think we've played together so unsure of how you typically play so I'll watch others who have.

[benhalkum]

Yea, the way Titus is acting, to me, is in a way I'd feel comfortable voting her out of it came down to it.

But it's also brash, and scum may see it as a threat if she is in fact town, this targeting her at night.

Unless, she's scum and isn't worried about a night kill.
If that makes sense.

[benhalkum]

I just want to point out, just because Titus is saying I'm town doesn't mean I automatically agree she is.

Really weird mentioning it more than once.

The paranoid part of me makes me think if she flips scum it's an attempt to get me targeted next.

That or it's an attempt to get me to lay off my suspecion as why would I want to suspect someone who's baking me as town?

[benhalkum]

The weird thing is both battle mage and I are saying about the same thing.

But I'm town and BM can't read?

[benhalkum]

I think I'm gonna VOTE: Titus for the time being. Will catch up on anything I missed later, don't worry (it's late here).

I'll hold off for the moment but I'm leaning this way.

If like some others to read through the discussion and give their thoughts.

[benhalkum]

yoVOTE: titusdidn't get the nk thing

I think Titus is town. But I am rarely listened to day 1.

I agree. The strongest impression I get out of these starting pages is that Titus is Town.

what other impressions did you get

It bothers me these are the only two post from them.

BM and I went into detail with Titus yesterday on the "NK thing" but a lot of the other players are town reading her. However, you simply gloss over that and just say it bothered you.

Why?

I know why it bothered BM and I. But this seems SUS as hell to me.

[benhalkum]

UNVOTE:

I thought 59 and 87 were scummy at first but I reread and I can actually see the viewpoint now, it just took me a minute.

i have a couple places I'd want to go for votes but first:

@ranny

why are you pushing up superbowl and ignoring NPOM completely? I'd argue NPOM's posting is even more devoid of content than superbowl?

@alchemist

you stated impressions on BM and Titus, what's your impression on ranny, the guy you're currently voting?

Yes, but you voted for me in 10, as I believe, a random vote. (Although second or third in a random bandwagon).

So... you vote for me randomly, which is fine. But your justification for unvoting for me now, points back at much later post you believed were scummy but now aren't? All the while, you're pointing at someone else, Ranny, who currently has a bandwagon going on them.

Feels a bit off to me.

[benhalkum]

UNVOTE:

I thought 59 and 87 were scummy at first but I reread and I can actually see the viewpoint now, it just took me a minute.

i have a couple places I'd want to go for votes but first:

@ranny

why are you pushing up superbowl and ignoring NPOM completely? I'd argue NPOM's posting is even more devoid of content than superbowl?

@alchemist

you stated impressions on BM and Titus, what's your impression on ranny, the guy you're currently voting?

It’s actually null. I voted there for a joke but I don’t see a reason to move my vote yet.

If you voted as a joke originally but see no reason to move your vote at this point, can you elaborate why your vote is no longer a joke but deserving of staying?

[benhalkum]

Flavor Leaf, what relevance does your track record as scum have?

What relevance do you want it to have?

It was a clear answer to why I haven't put effort into this game at this time.

Not sure how that actually correlates to you not putting effort into this game.

[benhalkum]

Looked it up.

Mini Normal 2102.

And honestly, now that you bring it up, right now you completely seem scum to me based upon your play style there and how you're being now.

[benhalkum]

Looked it up.

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And honestly, now that you bring it up, right now you completely seem scum to me based upon your play style there and how you're being now.

And your thoughts when it comes to me specifically trying to get your attention whilst doing the exact same thing I did in that game?

Not sure. Maybe assumed I wouldn't look it up as you know typically I'm pretty inactive?

[benhalkum]

Looked it up.

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And honestly, now that you bring it up, right now you completely seem scum to me based upon your play style there and how you're being now.

And your thoughts when it comes to me specifically trying to get your attention whilst doing the exact same thing I did in that game?

Not sure. Maybe assumed I wouldn't look it up as you know typically I'm pretty inactive?

I'd have linked it for you.

If you were going to link it, you would of when you first mentioned it instead of saying "I think I won a game a scum with ben". Seems odd to bring it up then when pushed back that, to me for now, makes you seem scummy, you jump right into a defensive stance.

Just what I'm seeing atm.

[benhalkum]

UNVOTE:

I thought 59 and 87 were scummy at first but I reread and I can actually see the viewpoint now, it just took me a minute.

i have a couple places I'd want to go for votes but first:

@ranny

why are you pushing up superbowl and ignoring NPOM completely? I'd argue NPOM's posting is even more devoid of content than superbowl?

@alchemist

you stated impressions on BM and Titus, what's your impression on ranny, the guy you're currently voting?

It’s actually null. I voted there for a joke but I don’t see a reason to move my vote yet.

If you voted as a joke originally but see no reason to move your vote at this point, can you elaborate why your vote is no longer a joke but deserving of staying?

Because it’s better on a wagon than nowhere. Does it bother you that I’m keeping my vote on Ranny?

It does if you have no real basis to keep it there, especially by now when there is plenty of discussion going to allow you to make an informed decision. I mean, if you were like "I'm going to keep my vote because as the game has progressed they said or did XXX" that would be understandable. But at this point, you are blatantly just throwing a vote without care, as if you have no issue if it's wrong and they flip town.

Looked it up.

Mini Normal 2102.

And honestly, now that you bring it up, right now you completely seem scum to me based upon your play style there and how you're being now.

And your thoughts when it comes to me specifically trying to get your attention whilst doing the exact same thing I did in that game?

Not sure. Maybe assumed I wouldn't look it up as you know typically I'm pretty inactive?

I'd have linked it for you.

If you were going to link it, you would of when you first mentioned it instead of saying "I think I won a game a scum with ben". Seems odd to bring it up then when pushed back that, to me for now, makes you seem scummy, you jump right into a defensive stance.

Just what I'm seeing atm.

It’s a weird take to say someone wouldn’t link something just because they didn’t do it when they first mention it. You’re telling me you’ve never seen someone talk about past games without linking them?

This makes it look like you’re just looking for any reason to push FL.

VOTE: benhalkum

Seems more of a OMGUS vote than a logical one at this point. Why are you threatened by being asked a few questions?

But hey, at least you gave a reason. Not a good one, but a reason.

[benhalkum]

Actually, I am the tiebreaking vote. Looks like I'll have to reread Ben's earlier posts to see if he was trying to do the same there and his possible motivation if true. Rannygazoo's case is simple though so I like it better all things considered.

Part of me says watch it be S v S and I am just needing to keep town together.

You should find it's me doing the same thing I did yesterday, asking logical questions to see which responses I get so I can make a more informed decision about which way to vote.

[benhalkum]

I trust Battle Mages thought process at least, so hoping to hear from them today.

[benhalkum]

Has wiyvern been proded for not posting yet?

[benhalkum]

--No, I won't be prodding people until Saturday due to the Thanksgiving break and the corresponding extension.

Thanks for the update!

[benhalkum]

VOTE: benhalkum

Just would like to hear your reasoning.

[benhalkum]

Overall, I find Ben to be seeking permission to vote, being weak but shady in his stances and being rather meek.

Not seeking permission to do anything, just want to make sure I stand behind my vote and can 100% provide why.

As for "fourth time suggesting people may be scum" this is not accurate. I was speaking out loud on my feelings at each time.

Honestly, at the moment, I'm only leaning Flavor as their actions are lining up with the guide in their signature as well as our previous game together in which they acted similar.

Although, I haven't done enough research to see if they act similar even as town hence my uncertainty yet.

[benhalkum]

VOTE: benhalkum

Fl and titus seem to have more experience with him than me.

Titus' experience is this game and until a bandwagon started, had repeatedly said they thought I was town.

Seems like you're going off of votes and not your own judgement in the threads.

[benhalkum]

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

Casting my vote based upon post.

In the first vote of the game from npom, throws out a hi to Titus.

In several threads indicates they've played with Titus and Titus is town. Also questioned titus' vote changes.

As the game progressed now says they know Titus is great as scum.

Then cast a vote based off of just others votes, with no actual reasoning. Claims that because both have history with me is why abd they trust them.

One of those people is Titus that I don't recall having a history with and until today town claimed me. However, the weirdness falls of pushing Titus so pro town, which I believe she is now, but then drawing out how she is as scum then aligning with. I believe this is a distraction to pull away from the rest of their game posting, which is mostly short answers or statements with no relevant pro town help.

I also believe that FL is town based off of this as I do not think they'd quote either a scummate at the moment as when I flip green, it would cause speculation.

The scummate lives in another voter who hasn't said much/has deflected and/or not voted yet either for me or at all.

:Shrugs:

That's where I stand atm.

[benhalkum]

As I'm now at 5, with 2 votes left and chances at least one scum has yet to jump on the bandwagon, I will ask the town whom have voted for me to go back and research more before sticking with their votes.

Losing me day one won't destroy town but it would make things harder as we get closer to signalling out who is making scum moves at night.

Although, if I don't hang, I'm now figuring I've got a target on my back n1.

It's a catch 22.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[benhalkum]

Holy OMGUS vote batman.

Nope. Plenty of others I could of voted for if that was the case.

I don't take my vote casting lightly and have provided resoning behind it, which you have yet to do yourself.

With that being said I'm going to get off here and let the chips fall as they will.

[benhalkum]

Alrighty FL.

Lets test your theory.

UNVOTE: NoPowerOverMe

VOTE: Benhalkum

[benhalkum]

BTW.. I still think it's NPoM, but I'm willing to sacrifice if it gets town actually thnking.

[benhalkum]

Ben, what are your actual reads?

NoPowerOverMe is explained in https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12358048

I HAD pulled back that FL was scum, town reading them after reviewing NPoM's post, but their last few post mimic our previous game we played together in which they were scum. Either FL is scum, or they are playing carelessly as town.

You are Town Titus.

BattleMage i BELIEVE is town but could be carefully playing as scum. Need them to post some more on everything going on.

SuperBowl and Alchamist I'm not leaning either way ATM. They both have shown to either playing safely as scum or playing town. Neither scummy enough for me to consider.

OutWorlder and Rannz seems town to me. But I'm always cautious day 1.

No read on anyone else ATM.

[benhalkum]

Not sure why ben is self-voting at this stage, dont we have soooo long to deadline and he’s the first wagon? Comes off as scummy > desperate/defeated town imo

None of the above.

Indifferent.

[benhalkum]

If you think Ben is scum, you can take time an deliberate before hammering. There’s no excuse not to. If Ben flips red, it’s scum trying to end the day early so no one else gets implicated like you said, plus bussing for town cred.

Exactly what I was hoping to force, actual discussion, since it seems most people are playing this game on cruise control.

If it happens, cool, we have more to go off of and work with.

If it doesn't, and I get hammered thus turning up town, then I patiently away D2 to see the finger pointing and enjoy watching how it plays out when people go back and look at each of my post to pin point who is scum from my original deductions.

[benhalkum]

A partial day of conversation shouldn't be worth your death. Your defeatest attitude isn't townie.

Well, let me know when you are ready to actually have conversation then as you have yet to contribute to the game in any profound way.

[benhalkum]

I am. I'm sorry you don't like the conversation.

How about a breakdown of all of your reads? Hyper focused on me, with no true reason, but you've still yet to lay anything out about anyone.

But by all means, continue not contributing.