Micro 984: my beautiful dark twisted familytree [COMPLETE]

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Hi Peeps!

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UNVOTE:

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VOTE: Pink Ball

TURBO WAGONZ FOR THE WINS!

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Why no wagonz for wins?

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Me no want to vote DV. Static wagons = le town flip.

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Let's vote pooky, he wants to be more adorable than me

"lets vote pooky"

*doesnt vote pooky*

This is why you should vote Pink Ball and not advocate for your own death.

Town need to stop doing that.

As for Math, punting. Give me time.

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Maybe. Maybe keeping my word from earlier I’d be back on DV once a replacement came in. Maybe just seeing what Titus does.

Could be lots of things.

Maybe you need to straight answer.

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Dk, join us.

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Alright, I think Math is town here. He's possibly right too. Worth a sheep and see.

VOTE: DV

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If I understand the setup correctly, then why not just eliminate you and then the mafia parent dies right?

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My apologies for yesterday. I literally forgot about this game after I placed the vote. I intended to unvote and get reactions though.

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Nevermind, eliminating Peta only gives a 50/50 shot at winning.

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Math and Pooky is a 50/50 for me as well. The only player who statistics say would favor Peta elim is himself and I don't think that's how Peta plays.

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i think i should just claim that i'm the mafia child now? if the last mafia isn't linked to me, i die if we no elim, if i am still linked, the mafia probably no-kills.

Do the mafia know who you're linked to?

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Mod: Do mafia know whether their child has mother's love or father's love?

If mafia know, we no eliminate. This will mean a Peta kill if the parent doesn't have Peta's love. If scum know they have Peta's love or don't want to risk it, we force them to kill in the 3 remaining. This will give lylo with conftown.

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Pretty sure it's Pooky though but we should run through the bases.

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Thanks. If I can look at VCA tomorrow, that's good to know. Otherwise VCA is Saturday morning.

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Well, I didn't expect a CC. Math and I are innocent children now.

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Well, I didn't expect a CC. Math and I are innocent children now.

Titus the mafia would have to CC here.

If the mafia didn’t CC then the child becomes inno.

The child kill was kinda silly last night for that reason and I was trying to bait being child with Bingle and failing miserably.

What does your VCA say?

If Pooky!mafia doesn't CC here, he has one inno instead of two.

My VCA machine is closed due to reality until at least Friday afternoon.

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Then if Pooky is scum then CCing actually doesn’t make sense because two innos unless he thinks Peta votes him no matter what.

Pooky makes sense based on end of D2 but doesn’t based on play today.
Kinda torn actually.

That's where I am at...minus the whole end of D2 thing.

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Then if Pooky is scum then CCing actually doesn’t make sense because two innos unless he thinks Peta votes him no matter what.

Pooky makes sense based on end of D2 but doesn’t based on play today.
Kinda torn actually.

That's where I am at...minus the whole end of D2 thing.

Pooky’s play makes sense as defeated scum. But then again mafia child wants to be elimmed.

Mafia child has no way of knowing they are mafia child though.

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You're going to ELI5 that for me to read tomorrow when waiting on a judge.

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Math and I are related.

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Honestly, I'll sheep you Math. I'll try to do some in depth work Saturday morning but I just haven't had luck go with me. Nights have been my easy times. Days have been my hard ones.

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Pooky, did you know Math and I are related before I said so?

Same question to you Peta.

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Now assuming Peta scum he claimed first. So he’d have to have know the child was going to die and Bingle to die for his plan to work. It’s a pretty risky shot.

I am leaning Pooky and it seems like Peta put in more effort.

So if Peta you’re scum congrats.

VOTE: Pooky

Your assumption isn't true.

Peta could have planned what he would do if Cakez was child or not child. Order doesn't mean a thing.

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Mathblade do you actually just tunnel and never re-evaluate motivations?

How the hell does it make sense for Pooky-Scum to counterclaim Peta here when YOU HAVE BEEN TUNNELLING ME THE ENTIRE GAME

So why does Peta claim child as scum?

I think I know here but just going through the process.

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Math, I think Peta's behavior makes the most scum sense.

Scum, starting today, would know the identity of their child. Therefore, scum!Peta has to make a choice. Does he push scum!Pooky or scum!Titus. He has to make that choice post one. So his thought process is which one will Math miseliminate?

Meanwhile, Pooky knows that Peta will claim child. That's fine to scum Pooky. He just pushes scum!Titus.

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VOTE: peta

That's where I am at.

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VOTE: peta

That's where I am at.

Are you at least going to explain why more than a sentence?

Like ....This just looks like a repeat of the mason game where I bear my thoughts to you, you go no and we lose.

I gave my thoughts. Peta's entry looks like the scum driven one. Peta had a choice on who he would go against and picked Pooky. Pooky, if scum, could have just gone after me.

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Also, right after I enter and unvote the competing wagon to scum, peta unvotes scum.

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Link me to the wall please?

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It really doesn’t Titus.

Peta posted a VCA wall with Cakez still alive on it.

His wall was framed at being against you not Pooky if he is scum.

I don’t think scum goes through an entire play by play then claims child first.

Can you try to explain again how you think peta’s play is scum? I just don’t see it

That wall can be structured. Peta knows exactly what he'd be doing and going up agsinst. The dead guy being at the bottom of the wall. Cmon Math.

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The VCA is also pandering to me but it's not even a proper VCA.

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It would help if you got me the VCs. If I can get my door open, I need to run errands before DnD. Most likely I'll be inside though.

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So DV bussed his partner. The question is whether it was early or late.

UNVOTE: peta

Largely symbolic.

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I am going to look at this the best I can but it is Saturday.

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Can the two suspects be quiet? I am not reading what you say. I am only looking at the data.

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I don't know based solely on a VC. I still feel it's more likely peta but I am nowhere as sure as Math. I'll compromise tomorrow if Math is still certain.

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Why wouldn't Peta pick me instead? Math had me as scum btw.

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Why wouldn't Peta pick me instead? Math had me as scum btw.

What do you mean pick Titus?

Child is a role PM.

You were going to be conftown either way. The question is, why didn't scum make me go?

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Why wouldn't Peta pick me instead? Math had me as scum btw.

What do you mean pick Titus?

Child is a role PM.

You were going to be conftown either way. The question is, why didn't scum make me go?

Make you go where?

I do not follow. And no I wasn’t. Either mafia child or VTs would be inno.

Why wasn't I the target the scum's target for the 1 v 1?

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Why couldn't scum IC the child and go for a Titus lynch instead?

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Err execution

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I ran this a few times. Nothing is conclusive but my tentative conclusion is DV was bussing peta hoping to get the cred from busing the mechanically weaker mafia member.

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I ran this a few times. Nothing is conclusive but my tentative conclusion is DV was bussing peta hoping to get the cred from busing the mechanically weaker mafia member.

I just don’t see this mechanically. Please I am begging here explain how this would be a bus.

DV either bussed his partner in RVS (pooky) or peta when he was threatened. Peta flipping scum eliminates the loved parent problem and gets DV towncred.

I'll check back in an hour. We need to solve this prior to the escape room tonight.

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I know but I would rather try and agree with Math than drag this out.

If we can't agree, I'll vote for fast night.

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It's not likely a distancing vote. DV was widely suspected at the rime of his peta vote. The vote benefits scum regardless of how successful the bus is. If the bus fails, they argue it wasn't a bus but rather DV wanted to wagon anyone but himself. If it succeeded, then DV gets a ton of towncred and zero chance of executing the mafia child hurting their team.

I see the vote on Peta as a win win for scum. It's the much more likely bus vote out of DV's ISO.

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VOTE: peta

How can I resist the cute bear gifs?

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=900

Can you explain page 38 from a Peta + DV perspective?

DV’s vote is naked. Why join his buddy here when the DkKoba wagon had more people?

Scum overload on a wagon.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=900

Can you explain page 38 from a Peta + DV perspective?

DV’s vote is naked. Why join his buddy here when the DkKoba wagon had more people?

Scum overload on a wagon.

Then we’re back at the same D2 as before when I forced DV? That’s in effect what happened on Koba end of day. Scum did just towards the end of the day.

By that point, any votes on Koba are blameless as he was a deadline elimination that asked to be wagoned.

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Peta got something bussing you though Pooky.

I don’t see what Peta gains here.

I love a good bus myself but I don’t bus unless it’s a net positive or at least null.

What benefit does Peta get at that point in the gamestate?

Peta why did you switch to Pooky on D1 after being on DV so long?

Peta staying on Koba keeps him a viable miselimination? Pretty obvious?

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VOTE: DK

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DkKoba

This one two punch within minutes of each other reads like desperate scum. I am sorry I just can’t vote Peta.

VOTE: Pooky

Scum have no need to both vote a deadline compromise.

You're just wrong Math.

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VOTE: Peta

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I can't endorse a gamethrow here. Looks like we're going to nightphase.

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Votecount 1.12 - final

DkKoba

(5): Bingle, DkKoba, PookyTheMagicalBear, DeasVail, Pink Ball

DeasVail

(2): SirCakez, MathBlade

Pink Ball

(1): Titus

PookyTheMagicalBear

(1): petapan

Not Voting

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I just double checked Peta was never on koba

You need to be clearer with your questions.

Peta was never on Koba. He never had to be. A no elimination benefits scum too.

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I can't endorse a gamethrow here. Looks like we're going to nightphase.

Last time you said that you were entirely wrong on the gamestate. *sigh*

Can you at least try doing some of the narrative stuff or VCA stuff you’re known for?

Anything to explain?

It feels like you’re playing defense versus explaining something I can understand.

I have been explaining. You just aren't listening because you're starting from the position I am wrong.

1) Scum didn't care if Koba or no elimination got hammered. They definitely don't double hammer as you propose. Look at who avoided the major wagons. Peta.

2) DV bussed either Pooky or Peta with his votes. The Peta vote has many more advantages for scum over DVs Pooky vote.

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mathblade if you vote peta, postgame will look like this:



i know cute gifs dont work on you but let a bear dream ok?

I'll count this as a victory. We solved it. Sometimes that's all that can be done.

Save me a hot chocolate and share where you get those gifs please.

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I can't endorse a gamethrow here. Looks like we're going to nightphase.

Last time you said that you were entirely wrong on the gamestate. *sigh*

Can you at least try doing some of the narrative stuff or VCA stuff you’re known for?

Anything to explain?

It feels like you’re playing defense versus explaining something I can understand.

I have been explaining. You just aren't listening because you're starting from the position I am wrong.

1) Scum didn't care if Koba or no elimination got hammered. They definitely don't double hammer as you propose. Look at who avoided the major wagons. Peta.

2) DV bussed either Pooky or Peta with his votes. The Peta vote has many more advantages for scum over DVs Pooky vote.

Assuming I take what you said in this paragraph at face value Peta vote having more advantages means Peta more likely town? I am really trying here but like there’s no explanation. You’re just stating unsubstantiated things here and just reading them in like two seconds shows it false. I need some analysis something deeper than just a barebones assertion here.

No. DV vote makes more sense and more advantages if Peta is scum over DVs Pooky vote. You aren't reading what I am saying.

DV's Peta vote works for scum because of the wagon state.

DV had three votes.
Townie had two votes.
DV puts Peta at two votes.

This serves to distance between the two. If the wagon shifts to Peta, scum lose the lover mafia and DV looks good. If DV goes through they look less like partners. I have already said this.

DV's Pooky vote is RVS and scum rarely stay on each other long in RVS.

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I am hoping if you do the VCA you’re known for you’ll at least see the issues I have and where I am starting from Peta scum but it all falls apart.

I have done it. I just can't quote VCs on mobile.

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I am hoping if you do the VCA you’re known for you’ll at least see the issues I have and where I am starting from Peta scum but it all falls apart.

I have done it. I just can't quote VCs on mobile.

I don’t see it? Can you quote the post where you did it?

Every post where I tell you why DV was bussing Peta.

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I am hoping if you do the VCA you’re known for you’ll at least see the issues I have and where I am starting from Peta scum but it all falls apart.

I have done it. I just can't quote VCs on mobile.

I don’t see it? Can you quote the post where you did it?

Every post where I tell you why DV was bussing Peta.

That’s not your VCA Titus.

That’s you stating what you think of a vote.

Your VCA is something like when you were masons with Mastina and color shit and go “Scum are in blah and blah because narrative and this is what they did”

I didn't include color. Sue me.

I already did tell you where the scum are and you're objecting to my formatting?!? You're not the Superior Court.

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There's not a huge data set to go off of.

The literal vca question is which DV vote is a bus? The one on Peta or the one on Pooky? That's it.

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It's a micro, not a complicated large theme. It's just one question at the end of the day. Which vote is a bus? Which vote gains more for scum?

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That's what you need to look at when you're alive tomorrow.

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It's a micro, not a complicated large theme. It's just one question at the end of the day. Which vote is a bus? Which vote gains more for scum?

That’s imho the wrong question.

Even if I grant the vote by DV on Peta gives more to scum if it’s a bus doesn’t necessarily make it a bus there.

It makes it much more likely to be a bus. It's much greater equity if it is a bus. VCA is never lock but it's pretty solid here. I'm willing to stand by my analysis that DV's peta vote is the more likely bus in his vote history.

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(I don’t believe that but even if I did that’s not VCA)

That’s assuming scum had a mindset of bus for those votes.

It’s assuming a scum mindset and forcing a bus agenda.

It’s not letting votes speak for themselves it’s not VCA

The votes do speak for themselves. I wouldn't put my VCA on the line if I didn't believe it Math. Just because I am not cloring the day VCA doesn't make it so.

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It's a micro, not a complicated large theme. It's just one question at the end of the day. Which vote is a bus? Which vote gains more for scum?

That’s imho the wrong question.

Even if I grant the vote by DV on Peta gives more to scum if it’s a bus doesn’t necessarily make it a bus there.

It makes it much more likely to be a bus. It's much greater equity if it is a bus. VCA is never lock but it's pretty solid here. I'm willing to stand by my analysis that DV's peta vote is the more likely bus in his vote history.

And if he’s not bussing?

You’re assuming because it’s proscum it’s a bus versus just analyzing the votes like you usually do.

Just gah

You don't understand. I analyzed the vote patterns and came to the conclusion that DV's Peta vote was a bus because it's more advantageous for scum. That's how VCA works. It supposes players make the best plays with the gamestate they have.

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DV was caught scum and had been for a while.

It’s just so infuriating to keep coming at it with a blank slate and you’re all “bus bus bus” “scum are bussing”

I have come at this with a blank slate repeatedly. I sheeped you when I had no clue. I have a clue now.

If you totally solved the game, why did Cakey die over you?

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I don’t see that and it feels like you’re starting with assumptions and don’t connect the dots and I feel like I am drowning and asking for help and all I get is “it’s there”

If I don’t get anything I can’t see anything and nothing changes

You can't see the lifeline I am throwing out to you. I am trying here but it's like you have plugs in your ears.

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Generic question: who makes sense as scum with DV?

Titus or Peta

The last bit from Cakez ISO

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Peta supposed I would sheep you. That's why we're here Math.

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DV was caught scum and had been for a while.

It’s just so infuriating to keep coming at it with a blank slate and you’re all “bus bus bus” “scum are bussing”

I have come at this with a blank slate repeatedly. I sheeped you when I had no clue. I have a clue now.

If you totally solved the game, why did Cakey die over you?

He’s the child that’s why. It wasn’t reads based.

Scum could get one more miselimination then shoot Cakez for the win. They needed a plan to get that miselimination. Peta's plan was to use your tunnel on Pooky because there would not be enough town to outvote you.

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I am going to try and make up my mind tomorrow. I expected to be dead tbh.

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one thing i realized overnight: pooky's whole explanation of me killing cakez because he suspected me doesn't hold up because the pink ball kill clearly indicates mafa were child hunting rather than shooting for reads, and PB suspected pooky anyway

but i suspect your mind's made up anyway

Why were mafia child hunting? What is your evidence of this?

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Pooky, you didn't tell me how you got those gifs.

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It's not an easy decision. Peta scum has every reason in the world to shoot me, as Math appears to be extremely rigid in his tunnel on you Pooky.

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Ok. At page 29, stopping here. My choice is likely made. I'll need a gif and to keep reading until the DV flip.

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The pool of possible scum that I’m considering at the moment includes Pink Ball, Pooky and Cakez.

Rule of three oh no.

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I hope this is right. If it's wrong, I blame Math. If it's right, I blame Math.

VOTE: Pooky

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The night's still young.

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I'm heeeere and obvscum!

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Oh c’mon Titus and I aren’t even bro and sis. What kind of tree is that EP?

(Has the game started?)

You always treat me like you're my Dad anyway.

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VOTE: Math

Hi. I gets to post.

VLA until Wednesday

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Why should I die?

Why do you not seem to care about why I voted you?

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VOTE: bungle

V.C. 1.1 says this is a wrong vote.

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We can tell SorCakez was a mafia planned death because Pink Ball was on it. They generally don't off the town child that results in their death unless it was planned.

Math fits the bill for that type of plan.

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dont think pink ball spoke to mathblade like a teammate

What makes you say that?

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Titus let’s pretend you’re town a second here. Why would Pink Ball ask me my strategy in open thread if I am Pink’s buddy?

The scum strategy is off the wall here. Pink Ball's play makes no sense. Why did he willingly seppuku by voting Cakez and early? It must have been planned, so I expect planned distancing.

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I am quite sure that Pink Ball's vote on Cakez was not with the intention of eliminating Cakez.

Why? Why else would Pink Ball vote his lover child?

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Now Titus if you’re town whose the bad sheep, Koba or DV?

I don't see a DV vote on Pink Ball.

My VC theory is inconsistent. No one voting on 1.1 should be scum, unless the plan was to eliminate Cakez from the outset. By voting you, I am hoping to suss that out.

It's probably either you or peta again, with Peta being resigned to the execution.

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I am quite sure that Pink Ball's vote on Cakez was not with the intention of eliminating Cakez.

Why? Why else would Pink Ball vote his lover child?

VOTE: Titus

Distance vote. Just getting it down early.

If Pink Ball didn't intend for Sir Cakez to die, why didn't he unvote?

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Now Titus if you’re town whose the bad sheep, Koba or DV?

I don't see a DV vote on Pink Ball.

My VC theory is inconsistent. No one voting on 1.1 should be scum, unless the plan was to eliminate Cakez from the outset. By voting you, I am hoping to suss that out.

It's probably either you or peta again, with Peta being resigned to the execution.

No one voting on .... ha funny. That sentence is false. Scum were baited on.

I figured out Cakez was the mafia child and Poo was one of the parents.

Cakezypoo was telling Pooky that lmao. We quick hammered really fast.

Pretty sure I have deduced the other parent and child as well so who to elim is in a really narrow pool.

How did you suss out Cakez was the mafia child and Poo was a parent?

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Now Titus if you’re town whose the bad sheep, Koba or DV?

I don't see a DV vote on Pink Ball.

My VC theory is inconsistent. No one voting on 1.1 should be scum, unless the plan was to eliminate Cakez from the outset. By voting you, I am hoping to suss that out.

It's probably either you or peta again, with Peta being resigned to the execution.

No one voting on .... ha funny. That sentence is false. Scum were baited on.

I figured out Cakez was the mafia child and Poo was one of the parents.

Cakezypoo was telling Pooky that lmao. We quick hammered really fast.

Pretty sure I have deduced the other parent and child as well so who to elim is in a really narrow pool.

How did you suss out Cakez was the mafia child and Poo was a parent?

C’mon now...can’t give away all my secrets to scum.

I want to see if you knew all along or not. Being a mafia child doesn't seem to be something Cakey would crumb.

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I mean you can try this angle but imho it was pretty obvious. I am amazed the child made it to today which mean scum weren’t reading which makes you the likely scum being offline.

If it was pretty obvious, then you should be able to stste how you knew.

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MB, what's your approach towards this game in particular?

MB, what's your approach towards this game in particular?

Randomness is fun!

(Translation I hate RVS so I just sorta say whatever’s in my head until I find somewhere I can hunt.)

I agree and I like this version of you, but you were my first townread in the last iteration and I was expecting to getting there asap if possible at all

That's a good vote tho

VOTE: SirCakez

Woah woah woah

I like this

Nah it would need to have the parents outside the wagon and that's unlikely

Unless...

Or maybe the parents are like Goku when said "my son is better than me" and threw Gohan to get almost obliterated by Cell while he watched in the back.

I don't know where I was going with this analogy

Which post says Cakez is the mafia child specifically?

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PS. Pink Ball was on at the time of the hammer and specifically endorsed the wagon in 1625. He could have unvoted. This was a planned death by scum.

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I am quite sure that Pink Ball's vote on Cakez was not with the intention of eliminating Cakez.

Why? Why else would Pink Ball vote his lover child?

VOTE: Titus

Distance vote. Just getting it down early.

If Pink Ball didn't intend for Sir Cakez to die, why didn't he unvote?

Didn’t realize what was happening and/or wasn’t online.

1625 literally goes against what you say here. PB endorsed the Cakez wagon.

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So Titus is scum? Anyone wanna disagree with the hole Titus is digging?

She’s either just not reading the right spots or just scum here.

What are the right spots? I showed evidence that refuted your theory PB didn't endorse the Cakez wagon, you plug your ears.

I ask how you knew Cakez was the scum child, you plug your ears. PB's ISO clearly doesn't show how anyone could know Cakez was the child.

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Can you just respond to what I ask? I am trying not to tunnel here. You're making it difficult.

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Happy new year. I really don't want a DV wagon with who is on it.