Micro 984: my beautiful dark twisted familytree [COMPLETE]

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Hey told to hop in so hi. Won’t be able to check much til after work.

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Ditto.

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Has the game started yet?

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So we voting Bingle right fellas? For old times' sake

I have never lost a towngame where I yeeted town PB.

VOTE: PB

Sorry buddy, but gambler's fallacy hates you.

VOTE: Bingle You ping me.

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hi mathblade are u town

The blandest town to ever town. Just the way I like it.

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So we voting Bingle right fellas? For old times' sake

I have never lost a towngame where I yeeted town PB.

VOTE: PB

Sorry buddy, but gambler's fallacy hates you.

But what if he's scum?

You sir can have a townread.

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VOTE: mathblade

giving out townreads for free?

On the contrary.

DV noticed what I had. The statement above is too particular and laser focused. It had a caveat of Bingle being town and PB being town.

It hints at Bingle being scum and PB being town how it was written.

I don’t give out reads for free. That’s not how I roll and I don’t know what to make of you implying I am.

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VOTE: mathblade

giving out townreads for free?

On the contrary.

DV noticed what I had. The statement above is too particular and laser focused. It had a caveat of Bingle being town and PB being town.

It hints at Bingle being scum and PB being town how it was written.

I don’t give out reads for free. That’s not how I roll and I don’t know what to make of you implying I am.

Sure but why is it town?

Can’t say sure (agreeing with my reasoning DV town) and then repeat your question. I explained why DV is a townread, he noticed what I had.

I think all scum are in Bingle, koba, and cakes

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Eyes on DK and peta, both could be scum for different, unrelated reasoning

What reasoning would that be?

VOTE: koba

They should probably be the elim. Too many questions not enough thoughts. Active lurking is bad.

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VOTE: mathblade

giving out townreads for free?

On the contrary.

DV noticed what I had. The statement above is too particular and laser focused. It had a caveat of Bingle being town and PB being town.

It hints at Bingle being scum and PB being town how it was written.

I don’t give out reads for free. That’s not how I roll and I don’t know what to make of you implying I am.

Sure but why is it town?

Can’t say sure (agreeing with my reasoning DV town) and then repeat your question. I explained why DV is a townread, he noticed what I had.

I think all scum are in Bingle, koba, and cakes

is this because I said you pinged me?

Partially yes. No idea if it’s a town or scum ping but it’s very unlike you to just leave it sitting without acting on it, considering you know my scum game.

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I haven't played with you in ages so I can't say yet

True, you haven’t played with me in years. That’d make you all the more sus of me not a drive by ping of town or scum. Something is off with you. (Resists urge to emoji)

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Uhm I don’t use the phrase scum tell. Looking over my ISO I can’t figure out what exactly you want me to respond to but you’re still doing what pings needs. You’re asking a lot of questions without stating an opinion. This is a common scum tactic of good scum to not provide anything while appearing to hunt.

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What pings me**

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Im literally looking for info and ur calling it active lurking bc I havent formed a solid opinion w/o evidence

It is active lurking though. If you don’t state an opinion (Eg Math is scummy for blah or Math is towny for blah) along with your question, then definitionally it is active lurking. Opinions aren’t “solid” things they change over time. The fact you’re suggesting they are solid is really scummy.

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What doesn’t make sense to you?
You haven’t played with me in a while, and when we last played together I was known (and still am known) to be a good scum player.
This should make you naturally suspicious of me. The drive by ping without specifying town or scum ping, doesn’t reflect that.
Therefore something is off with you.

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I'm townreading you, Math

Why are you townreading me? I am townreading you because we seem to have similar reads and I want to be sure I am not being pocketed.

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ve_Lurking

Yes. It is. Your questions are fundamentally irrelevant to scumhunting as they contain nothing to read you from. Definitionally this is active lurking.

Why do you think this push is in bad faith?

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ve_Lurking

Yes. It is. Your questions are fundamentally irrelevant to scumhunting as they contain nothing to read you from. Definitionally this is active lurking.

Why do you think this push is in bad faith?

because my questions are most definitely not irrelevant to scumhunting LMFAO

Can you explain how its irrelevant to scumhunting and Ill slam dunk u right after cause i know ur talking out your ass right now lol.

What doesn’t make sense to you?
You haven’t played with me in a while, and when we last played together I was known (and still am known) to be a good scum player.
This should make you naturally suspicious of me. The drive by ping without specifying town or scum ping, doesn’t reflect that.
Therefore something is off with you.

This is just not how I play
I start off neutral from people I have not played with in a long time, same as I would with someone I hadn't played with before

It’s odd. Throwing away what you know about a person doesn’t jive to me.

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ve_Lurking

Yes. It is. Your questions are fundamentally irrelevant to scumhunting as they contain nothing to read you from. Definitionally this is active lurking.

Why do you think this push is in bad faith?

because my questions are most definitely not irrelevant to scumhunting LMFAO

Can you explain how its irrelevant to scumhunting and Ill slam dunk u right after cause i know ur talking out your ass right now lol.

By asking lots of questions and not taking a stance you can “fake” hunting. I already explained that earlier. It’s like you’re not reading my posts and have decided, I suspect you therefore you push me.

Questions themselves are indeed irrelevant to scumhunting without some sort of action/thoughts generated from them. Otherwise it’s just posting for the sake of looking Townie and inflating post count, which is definitionally active lurking.

This is also the second time you’ve threatened me with something like “I’ll be conf town” or “you’ll slam dunk me”. Town doesn’t have to say these things. We’re just town and do it.

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dad pls pick me up im scared

Yes I do.

You’re much more jovial/jokey in the game where you were elimmed day one. This doesn’t match what prior town meta is here. Similar setup, I’d expect similar meta.

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mooooooooooooooom peta is tryharding again

Whats this?

One line does not a style make.

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The way its so blatant you're only interested in limming someone and not sorting slots is actually hilarious

Sure you got me, i didn't rand child.

VOTE: mathblade

anyways math is only interested in limming me thats why after i pushed my socratic questioning they had to really reach
math I'll tell you this: never push on me if you're scum. I will figure you out everytime.

It’s blatantly obvious you didn’t rand what you had before. Just the meta here is so strikingly off. Now you’re classifying what I am doing as reaching. It’s misrepresentation at best as I have calmly and clearly indicated each step. Therefore because the difference is so stark, you’re likely scum.

I am also a math major and we had to study Socrates and some philosophy. The Socratic method is not just questions for questions sake. It’s questions towards an aim of explanation or thought about a point. Neither of which you have shown.

Thirdly, your link goes to a random post by tn on mobile. I am not going to “hunt” for it for two reasons. 1) Past being right doesn’t indicate current right here and 2) Past skill doesn’t mean good skill this game. That’s gambler’s fallacy.

When are you going to start hunting?

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method

The aim of the Socratic method is cooperation at its core.
Simply asking a lot of questions (what you’re doing) is not.

If doing a VCA I ask, “what causes player X to move their vote to Y?”
That would be Socratic as there is a specific topic of exploration.

Eg”Why do you think this push is in bad faith?” Socratic it’s about the push.

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mooooooooooooooom peta is tryharding again

Whats this?

Now take in contrast this.

This is not the Socratic method.

At best if you’re town this is you attempting to bring up a counter example to the prior point. This doesn’t promote discussion.

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lmao accidentally seeded my reply in tbe quote

what was the scumtell you noticed exactly **?

Cause when i end up being conftown i want you to make sure t we have your thought process

This is not the Socratic method as there’s no coherent question here and it is not built on prior facts. I specifically called that out earlier. If I believe things to be a slip, I say slip. A tell requires more than one instance of this being true.

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Eyes on DK and peta, both could be scum for different, unrelated reasoning

What reasoning would that be?

This here is the only post that could at a stretch be considering Socratic. And that’s if I put it in the loosest definition possible.

You’re trying to give yourself weight versus actually having it.

And I don’t appreciate abusing one of my favorite philosophers to do it.

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"Please ignore facts that blatantly counter my bad push" - mathblade

What facts am I ignoring?

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What are your reads on other slots other than mine?

Sircakez is off as I said earlier.

I don’t like his vote on you. (Much as I think you’re scum)

I also didn’t like Bingle’s opening.

If on the off chance you’re town, I don’t think you can read me at all, which is plainly evident.
DV here can.

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PinkBall I have as town but am concerned about a pocket due to similar wavelengths.
DV I need to see more of but I am liking their last post. Makes me think you’re just bad town, rather than scum but I wanna see a bit more because you’re really scummy.

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Whats off about sircakez?
Whats bad about bingle's opening?

what makes you think automatically that DV can read you from a town perspective and that they're not just TMI from your POV?

First you really should read or at least not be so self centered. I have stated twice that Sircakez feels like scum because of how he is playing and interacting with me. Second his vote there feels more opportunistic (assuming you’re town). If he’s scum with you then the vote doesn’t give a lot to go on which is a bus esque type vote. This tells me if you’re scum you’re probably the scum that is okay to die as you take a town with you.

About Bingle’s opening again, you’re not reading posts. It was phrased very weird. Another player also picked up on this weirdness, DV, which I already commented on. Sure you can disagree and think it’s not weird, but right now you’re at best not reading and at worst scum.

I have a hard time telling bad town from scum so I lean on TRs I have to help. Two good posts from DV I am okay with a strong town read on them because it’s a micro.

So DV are they bad town or scum?

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literally not everyone has talked yet and i was the one who pushed to move us out of rvs quickly via scrutinizing peta slot as its the most confident read for me since we have played 3 times before recently and i have modded games with them in it.
So im having trouble seeing math's push as anything but bad faith to frame me as scum for an arbitrary "scumtell". I thrive best when im pushed on on d1 and i can read pushes well so please don't discredit my reads right away DV

Uhm...I never once have used the phrase scum tell and have not done so yet. I still have 0 idea what you’re talking about and I have caught scum on page 1 before in a newbie queue. Stop self metaing and read if you’re town.

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Mathblade can't figure out non tmi reason to townread anyone so anyone whos spoken in this game is scum - classic

Lol except I town lean PB and DV?

Like what is this? Why are you so bad at simple reading comprehension?

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So we voting Bingle right fellas? For old times' sake

I have never lost a towngame where I yeeted town PB.

VOTE: PB

Sorry buddy, but gambler's fallacy hates you.

Missed you, bud

So we voting Bingle right fellas? For old times' sake

I have never lost a towngame where I yeeted town PB.

VOTE: PB

Sorry buddy, but gambler's fallacy hates you.

But what if he's scum?

I'm always town, it's very simple

Eyes on DK and peta, both could be scum for different, unrelated reasoning

Which of these posts are towny?

The latter two. The first is “I don’t give a fuck” but in a joking tone and blunt matter of fact.
The last one, gives an eye into PB thinking and opens up conversation angles. “Eg what reasoning”. Hence why I asked my question to PB concerned about a pocket but I liked it overall.

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Bc I think ur pulling confident reads out ur ass bc ur impatient scum who wants to seem like they have reads so u take NAI things and turn them into reads

I am a confident player as any alignment.

I state things and then if people find issue they say what the issue is versus attacking me.

Here you’re only attacking me, not my reasoning so if I am correct on you it lends to my reads being generally on point. If you’re town you’re just bad at reacting to suspicion and have a tendency to overreact and OMGUS. For the latter asking others about you solves that problem.

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Why aren’t you reading with, and interacting with, my reasoning? On multiple occasions you’re either inventing stuff or just not reading what I write, why?

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I questioned PB bc I wanted to get their mindset on how they arrived at that read and u immediately came at me for "active lurking" . Which i think is hilarious and horribly wrong

That’d be good if you actually did that. And yes you were active lurking and in a lot of ways still are. Blatantly not reading and just not doing anything.

The closest you’ve come is asking me why PB is town to me.

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mathblade ur refusing my premise that things can be NAI and thats gonna just lead to a frustrating 1v1(that i will win) and I think u will sort urself out in the longterm bc such aggressive reads are hard to make look town when ur scum

Yes some things can be NAI.

Again that’s why you interact with the things that seem scummy and other people comment.

Then post flip or preflip if there is a convincing case other than the person scumread saying they are NAI then they get taken into consideration.

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VOTE: DV
i think this direction is better and I'll explain later.

If you don’t explain I legit don’t care.

And yeah I had a recent town loss and it hurt but that doesn’t relate to now. What’s now is there’s weird shit about you I want to sort.

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I questioned PB bc I wanted to get their mindset on how they arrived at that read and u immediately came at me for "active lurking" . Which i think is hilarious and horribly wrong

That’d be good if you actually did that. And yes you were active lurking and in a lot of ways still are. Blatantly not reading and just not doing anything.

The closest you’ve come is asking me why PB is town to me.

Eyes on DK and peta, both could be scum for different, unrelated reasoning

What reasoning would that be?

Whelp I should eat my own words. I missed that post.

VOTE: Unvote

VOTE: Sircakez

Stop pushing that old meta SirCakez.

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You can’t very well say you’re treating me as neutral then at the same time shade me as bad.

Which is it?

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ve_Lurking

Yes. It is. Your questions are fundamentally irrelevant to scumhunting as they contain nothing to read you from. Definitionally this is active lurking.

Why do you think this push is in bad faith?

because my questions are most definitely not irrelevant to scumhunting LMFAO

Can you explain how its irrelevant to scumhunting and Ill slam dunk u right after cause i know ur talking out your ass right now lol.

What doesn’t make sense to you?
You haven’t played with me in a while, and when we last played together I was known (and still am known) to be a good scum player.
This should make you naturally suspicious of me. The drive by ping without specifying town or scum ping, doesn’t reflect that.
Therefore something is off with you.

This is just not how I play
I start off neutral from people I have not played with in a long time, same as I would with someone I hadn't played with before

It’s odd. Throwing away what you know about a person doesn’t jive to me.

again this is just not how I play

I actually think MB's vomit here is more likely town atm
you're not gonna win an argument with him anyways
I don't want to go down this hole anyways

VOTE: pink ball
*poke*

^^ This here.

You’re implying I am bad and won’t win an argument which is a meta read.

If I am a neutral/no read then you can’t have any predispositions at all.

This is suspect.

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what is wrong with using meta to read ppl like thats literally half the game lol

It’s a good thing to use meta.

It’s a bad thing to say you won’t use meta, like SirCakez said before about me, and then come back and shade me using meta.

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What doesn’t make sense to you?
You haven’t played with me in a while, and when we last played together I was known (and still am known) to be a good scum player.
This should make you naturally suspicious of me. The drive by ping without specifying town or scum ping, doesn’t reflect that.
Therefore something is off with you.

This is just not how I play
I start off neutral from people I have not played with in a long time, same as I would with someone I hadn't played with before

Here he says he is starting off neutral with me because we haven’t played together in a long time.

Neutral includes throwing out meta.

If he’s using old meta he’s not really keeping neutral.

Therefore if he’s not keeping neutral he’d be inherently suspicious of me (which he wasn’t)
Or he would be sticking neutral (which he didn’t when he said you aren’t going to win an argument)

Which I do respond to direct evidence or “Hey you’re wrong here”.

Between me missing a post and DV thinking you may be town I backed off.

Here SirCakez is being contradictory and I want to know why. The motivation may be town or scum motivated but exploring the contradiction helps.

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o wow look at this blatant pockit attempt

VOTE: koba

What do you make of the game previously?

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This is a bad take for D1. I would say D2. I think outing why it’s a bad idea is proscum.

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This is a bad take for D1. I would say D2. I think outing why it’s a bad idea is proscum.

tell us more about how risking forcing town child to claim is a great idea

Town child almost certainly doesn’t get to L-1 in this setup. Two players townread the townchild.

There’s 9 players. 9-3 = 6 and it is 5 to elim. Only needs two town to prevent that. Pretty safe assumption since parents will never suspect the child.

Instead by saving it a day to day two we can take control of the game by making elim of scum almost a sure thing and not give scum an idea of who to shoot. I think the idea is in the right place but by having D1 happen naturally it works better. Plus if there’s a hard deadline it will shut down conversation until that time.

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Scum also never claim town child here because one parent counterclaims leaving child secret and then the scum gets elimmed. So realistically that concern almost never happens.

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except scum are going to gain ez info from their own pushes and are going to aggressively push to get people to PR tell. better to give parents option to wifom and then at EoD one can lead a lim on someone. if town parents play with the knowledge they dont have to worry about convincing town necessarily they will be less likely to spew the town child. remember that scum have a pool of 6 players and not just 7 to choose from.

there are other ways of going about this but I won't out them as the info only benefits scum and it can severely backfire.

I think this conversation is anti town. I disagree with this post. When I am PR hunting the easier finds are in nonchalant posts. I really think this is a bad idea for d1.

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The suggestion was a natural d1 with a first right of refusal from an IC to swerve the elim if desired. For now, I think it's fair to say don't hammer until town parents have had a chance to weigh in and no claims before 24 hours remaining is fine.

Are you still of the opinion you have a solid tell on me Math?

What is up with both you and Koba saying I say tell when I don’t?

I don’t really follow the second two premises of your Punnet Square. They seem disconnected. I may just be being stupid intentionally *shrug*.. I thought it best to leave alone for now.

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I think this conversation is anti town.

Interesting, and also irrelevant. Unless you think that this game is the real game for some reason, the setup spec is probably going to happen before the real game anyway because you've already brought it up.

I see no reason not to have what is functionally a BP IC make the final call on the elim for D1.

I am not sure I follow. “This game is the real game?”

It’s also not setup spec, it’s trying to break the setup. Huge difference. Everyone knows the setup. It’s a matter of making sure scum don’t kill the TC on N1 as well as don’t elim them.

Parent claiming exposes it for NK. It’s a recipe for disaster.

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having a clear decide a lim has never been anti town lol

i have a lot of experience with open setups from playing on epicmafia and optimal strategy has nearly always been narrowed down to a clear claiming at some point and/or a cc happening.

this is open setup philosophy 101.

Lol I’ve probably been playing mafia longer than you’ve been alive (or close to it).
Once a clear happens yes, they decide the elim.
However forcing said clear is a problem.

You need to go back to open 101. No claiming without provocation.

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I am not sure I follow. “This game is the real game?”

We're playing the game multiple times, and there's only a chance that this is the one that matters. No one knows, other than knowing which game number they submitted to be the "Real Game" and so saving setup spec to obfuscate but bringing it up in what is likely not a game that needs to be won seems iffy at best to me.

The real game? What are you talking about? I am just playing to win.
Are some people not?

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The suggestion was a natural d1 with a first right of refusal from an IC to swerve the elim if desired. For now, I think it's fair to say don't hammer until town parents have had a chance to weigh in and no claims before 24 hours remaining is fine.

Are you still of the opinion you have a solid tell on me Math?

What is up with both you and Koba saying I say tell when I don’t?

I don’t really follow the second two premises of your Punnet Square. They seem disconnected. I may just be being stupid intentionally *shrug*.. I thought it best to leave alone for now.

In the wake of Police Academy you had said you had a solid scumtell to use on me. It was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away (due to galactic drift), but I was wondering if you still have that opinion or not.

wrt the logic behind mislimming PB being a positive, it's an in joke. We had like 4 games in a row where I led a mislim on him and then we won for a completely unrelated reason. And also I may have modded a game where he got dayvigged before his first post.

This is a public Jingle alt, btw. not sure if you knew that.

Interesting indeed. Jingle jingle.

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I'm playing to win the iteration that matters over any other iteration. I will still try in iterations I believe are unlikely to matter, as I have no real guarantee they don't, but I'm also setting up for future games that I think are more likely to be important.

Oh I am just playing to win all the games.
If I happen to win two lose last I am counting it as winning two losing one.

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having a clear decide a lim has never been anti town lol

i have a lot of experience with open setups from playing on epicmafia and optimal strategy has nearly always been narrowed down to a clear claiming at some point and/or a cc happening.

this is open setup philosophy 101.

Lol I’ve probably been playing mafia longer than you’ve been alive (or close to it).
Once a clear happens yes, they decide the elim.
However forcing said clear is a problem.

You need to go back to open 101. No claiming without provocation.

thats semi open/closed game philosophy.

open games depend fully on the setup but overall clears are preferred to lead. with a player at the table that is vulnerable to dying and taking 2 more people with them, effectively shoving us into lylo. it is preferable to do the +EV thing and prevent that player from being forced to claim

you really do sound like you want to keep the possibility of the town child being forced to claim an open possibility.

Overall clears are no one. Once a role is outed it is a clear. Roles should be kept secret until a majority is assured. I am sorry you want to expose the child to an NK.

Your wording style I can throw back at you all day. It’s boring and anti productive. If you consider town parent claims clear then you’d have asked at the start. What it feels like to me is that you’re aiming to try to claim town parent as scum and steer the elim or suspect out a CC on the parent and then kill the TC.

This claim idea is bad until D2 for that reason.

I didn’t want to say because then it coaches scum.

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Ok I'm here. Koba do people call you Koba, DK, what's your preference? Same question Math, I'm calling you Math 'cause you remind me of Dino but maybe MB is better for you

I go by either as long as it’s not she. (I am a trans man for context.) And dino and I are vastly different.

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"im sorry you want to expose the child to a NK"

lol?

i think like bingle said u are using moonlogic

Does it matter if you’re scum caught for the wrong or right reasons you’re still caught.

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To both of you: I'm aware of that and I've learned to pay a lot of attention to the pronoun of your preference since I'm not a native english speaker and I get it wrong sometimes because of lack of experience, so don't worry!

Accidental mistakes cool. Just Ebwop like any other typo and move on.

What’s not cool is doing it repeatedly or attack helicopter shit or intentionally refusing to use someone’s pronouns.

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u got trapped into fosing me and now i have u in a vicegrip.

pushing me is always a trap.

this game you will learn, but luckily, it is a game that does not count.

only pooky has come out and survived pushing town!koba, if only because i was distracted by one votato. it is why i am fearful of pooky's scumplay bc it is actually pretty good and hard to dissect.


now I think either you are actually really terrible at setup spec or you are purposefully trying to push a bad strat so that child can be easier to figure out.

How exactly am I pushing child easier to figure out by keeping pants on?

Explain that one.

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u got trapped into fosing me and now i have u in a vicegrip.

pushing me is always a trap.

this game you will learn, but luckily, it is a game that does not count.

only pooky has come out and survived pushing town!koba, if only because i was distracted by one votato. it is why i am fearful of pooky's scumplay bc it is actually pretty good and hard to dissect.


now I think either you are actually really terrible at setup spec or you are purposefully trying to push a bad strat so that child can be easier to figure out.

How exactly am I pushing child easier to figure out by keeping pants on?

Explain that one.

u literally keep the child in the potential limpool.

i really don't think your logic makes any sense or you are aware of how it makes sense but you are brute forcing the argument by feigning ignorance.

scum are going to be able to tell where to kill via the game flow and getting parent reads. having the parents not being worried about pushing the flow of the game away from the child will help with removing those tells which in turn will obfuscate the child from the scumteam. game 1 is probably a bad example because a parent instaclaimed which was a lolreaction and i was planning on roleswapping and or self-limming for the purpose of being clear(the latter which happened).

That’s the same argument for any cop in any setup.

If the cop gets ran up, then they do. Then the scum make themselves obvious there. Especially here with two people who will never vote TV.

Yes the child stays in the limpool but that doesn’t openly out them.

Ask Jingle or SirCakez or DV, all have played scum against me and know I am wicked good at identifying PRs as scum.

As scum I don’t fight you here.

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I haven’t read the last two pages yet but I need to say now that I feel very cautious about claim plans etc in this setup. As mafia last game I felt that all the claims actually made it much easier for me to plan kills and ultimately win and with mafia actually knowing who the loved parent here is I worry that it would be even more advantageous for them

the problem there was that BOTH parents were claimed at the same time.

Any at all is too much a risk D1.

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Exactly. The parents are linked to the kids. We want to elim a scum and have them shoot a VT here.

Then if my math is right we can do the child trick but will have to double check.

Pretty much we just have to keep child hidden long enough to cake walk.

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having parent claim removes the worst case scenario where the town child ends up claiming and/or being blatantly obvious from scum pov.

You’re not listening when that’s not possible. You just really wanna make scum’s job easy huh? Sure you’re not scum?

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u got trapped into fosing me and now i have u in a vicegrip.

pushing me is always a trap.

this game you will learn, but luckily, it is a game that does not count.

only pooky has come out and survived pushing town!koba, if only because i was distracted by one votato. it is why i am fearful of pooky's scumplay bc it is actually pretty good and hard to dissect.


now I think either you are actually really terrible at setup spec or you are purposefully trying to push a bad strat so that child can be easier to figure out.

How exactly am I pushing child easier to figure out by keeping pants on?

Explain that one.

u literally keep the child in the potential limpool.

i really don't think your logic makes any sense or you are aware of how it makes sense but you are brute forcing the argument by feigning ignorance.

scum are going to be able to tell where to kill via the game flow and getting parent reads. having the parents not being worried about pushing the flow of the game away from the child will help with removing those tells which in turn will obfuscate the child from the scumteam. game 1 is probably a bad example because a parent instaclaimed which was a lolreaction and i was planning on roleswapping and or self-limming for the purpose of being clear(the latter which happened).

That’s the same argument for any cop in any setup.

If the cop gets ran up, then they do. Then the scum make themselves obvious there. Especially here with two people who will never vote TV.

Yes the child stays in the limpool but that doesn’t openly out them.

Ask Jingle or SirCakez or DV, all have played scum against me and know I am wicked good at identifying PRs as scum.

As scum I don’t fight you here.

meta is good now?

Wow you’re really harping on not reading or nuance.

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Scum preys on fear, town works on cooperation. You already said you’re not child. If you continue to not read I can and will tunnel you.Right now I think it’s you and Cakez. I backed off because DV was saying you’re town. If you keep up this antitown claim crap, I will tunnel you hard.

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Your first sentence is why no claims. It doesn’t matter how they die. NK still just as deadly.

This is your last chance before I vote park you.

And lol that only works if the parents know a player is scum.

Seriously last chance before I vote park you. Knock it off.

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also if we go with the "hide the parents strat" the optimal play for child is to claim as parent

Or just ya know no claims and elim scum lol.

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VOTE: Koba

This only moves if someone explains how this is town.

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Scum preys on fear, town works on cooperation. You already said you’re not child. If you continue to not read I can and will tunnel you.Right now I think it’s you and Cakez. I backed off because DV was saying you’re town. If you keep up this antitown claim crap, I will tunnel you hard.

u really just want me to claim dont u <3

u pr read me so hard

On the contrary. I don’t give a shit what you fakeclaim.

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Careful you’re approaching flavor leaf levels of taunt now. He was saying the same shit.

You really oughta go look at a scum game of mine like Shadowrun or Gistou or the newbie with DV. You’re flailing so hard it’s embarrassing.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=60178

This is where I was trapped scum.

If you’re going to make the accusation at least learn it.

I literally have elimmed mod confirmed town in other games.

Please if you’re going to argue I am scum, flail better.

If anything town you should be arguing DV scum as I get buddy vibes but that’s only if you’re town.

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Careful you’re approaching flavor leaf levels of taunt now. He was saying the same shit.

You really oughta go look at a scum game of mine like Shadowrun or Gistou or the newbie with DV. You’re flailing so hard it’s embarrassing.

can u point to where im flailing?

Trying to argue my next moves when I am not scum.
FL did that with NPOM and BM

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Interesting. If you’re scum you’re bad at this. If you’re town I agree on your DV read. I just don’t buy it.

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That uh escalated quickly

That I can’t tell if it’s scum last gasp flail to get me to react or if it’s genuine.

What do you think DV?

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Interesting. If you’re scum you’re bad at this. If you’re town I agree on your DV read. I just don’t buy it.

theres a 0% chance i as scum do not claim PR.

Nah...Scum claim whatever to avoid elim.

They can’t afford to lose a CC here.

So scum you probably claims VT.

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This setup is very antibus.

Because if the non child link scum dies scum loses.

So I wanna elim that scum.

Pedit: Excuse me if I don’t believe you.

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VOTE: Unvote

Meh we have time

I wanna see the 1v1 play out

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It’s actually real.

Elim scum non linked child d1
Then scum kill 7 alive next day.
Children both claim. Town parents claim. Then if scum CC the child successfully, kill other child scum lose resulting 1v3

Scum never bus.

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Whatever the case I don’t feel like limming Koba right now is the play? I still want to hear from peta/galron/pookie more

You. I am only interested in Kopa or you

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Pretty sure SirCakez is still scum and that’s bad AtE.

Pedit:And that suggestion is ATE and against site rules.

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Whatever the case I don’t feel like limming Koba right now is the play? I still want to hear from peta/galron/pookie more

You. I am only interested in Kopa or you

Do you think we could be scum together?

Unlikely. It would be kinda silly. Then again imho this setup is really townsided.

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Pretty sure SirCakez is still scum and that’s bad AtE.

Pedit:And that suggestion is ATE and against site rules.

AtE is not against site rules lol

Suggesting to replace out is.

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I think he meant me saying I should replace out
And ftr I was being humorous

For the record don’t. If you’re town it’s a possible modkill and if you’re scum like I think you are it removes fun.

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I want Jingle and Pink to see what they think.

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gotem

Clearly /s You got me /s I am scum with EP. /s

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VOTE: DV

For shits and giggles.

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I want Jingle and Pink to see what they think.

About?

The game so far. What do you make of the Koba wagon? What do you think about the game in general?

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What is concerning you Math?

I don’t know the words...just something.

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I'm gonna call Koba a null read for now 'cause talking too much about their own meta is something that shows me their style is one I usually scumread and then flips town and I'm like "oh no".

In other words, I'm not scumreading their pushes, I'm scumreading their playstyle, so I'm probably wrong, and you probably are too, MB

Okay then who do you think is scum and why?

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I want Jingle and Pink to see what they think.

About?

The game so far. What do you make of the Koba wagon? What do you think about the game in general?

It's an early wagon. Scum probably is outside of the wagon, hoping they get an elimination without participating. But Koba being part of it makes me paranoid.

Do you think that conclusion applies for Koba town and Koba scum?

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I want Jingle and Pink to see what they think.

About?

The game so far. What do you make of the Koba wagon? What do you think about the game in general?

It's an early wagon. Scum probably is outside of the wagon, hoping they get an elimination without participating. But Koba being part of it makes me paranoid.

Do you think that conclusion applies for Koba town and Koba scum?

have you read my previous games?

No. I barely have enough time to keep up with mafia in general. I don’t read games unless relevant to that game in question or recommended for improvement.

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I was talking specifically about the alternative of Koba being town and being early wagoned, but in case Koba is scum, yeah probably the partner would be outside, but I'd rather eliminate Koba in that case

The odds of that are insanely low though.

Scum are more likely to coalesce on a wagon and the town group is likely to coalesce on a wagon. These may or may not be the same, but if you think Koba is town it’s much more likely scum are pushing it.

Yes yes that points to me but I don’t lie when it comes to likeliness/generalities. Even if unflattering.

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Gun to my head Pookie. But only because I completely forgot what tell I had for Jingle and so I will always be sus of them til I remember

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Hey Pink what do you think of DV Pookie?

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math getting self-righteous about the best way to play the setup actually looks like it's coming from a sincere place

Who do you think townreads me while they are scum here?

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peta i actually townleaned i just wanted to push their buttons to be sure.

that doesn't work on me on this account unless you really go full bore

Not asking who since you seem to imply you’re an alt, but may I ask your pronouns?

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Cool peta’s town prolly. Willing to put them down as a tr.

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can i just tell you i have a relatively decent idea of how koba plays and this is very much frustrated town koba and not scum koba

Sure. Notice I am not voting them.

Do you think I am wrong on my Pink Ball town read or Galron is scum or you’re being voted by two town? First two can be and/or.

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Do what's the most important post from each of the last 12 pages? I'm not reading 12 pages of Mathblade hyper posting.

Why are you specifically saying it’s me and not Koba and me? As most of it was trying to sort Koba. This hyper focus seems odd.

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Do what's the most important post from each of the last 12 pages? I'm not reading 12 pages of Mathblade hyper posting.

Why are you specifically saying it’s me and not Koba and me? As most of it was trying to sort Koba. This hyper focus seems odd.

I don't know who it is, math. I just know you can get on a roll. I've only looked at the last two pages so far. Why are you so paranoid?

It’s my job to be paranoid because my role PM.

It feels odd that you’re mentioning activity and then choosing specific posts to comment on. It’s an inconsistency. Complain about high level posting, do research, yet complain about activity tell. It’s weird. I don’t know if town or scum aligned but it’s weird.

How did you come to those posts to comment on if you didn’t read?

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Can you clarify the inconsistency please Galron?

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Do what's the most important post from each of the last 12 pages? I'm not reading 12 pages of Mathblade hyper posting.

Why are you specifically saying it’s me and not Koba and me? As most of it was trying to sort Koba. This hyper focus seems odd.

I don't know who it is, math. I just know you can get on a roll. I've only looked at the last two pages so far. Why are you so paranoid?

It’s my job to be paranoid because my role PM.

It feels odd that you’re mentioning activity and then choosing specific posts to comment on. It’s an inconsistency. Complain about high level posting, do research, yet complain about activity tell. It’s weird. I don’t know if town or scum aligned but it’s weird.

How did you come to those posts to comment on if you didn’t read?

You are exasperating. And buzzy. Like a bee.

Spoiler:

Insert gif here

So? Does somehow me being exhausting invalidate the question?

Why did you pick those posts to quote? Why Pink Ball in particular?

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does galron always play like this

As SK he was more obviously town until mechanics screwed with him. Dunno about any group scum meta. This is very odd. It’s an inconsistency but it’s one I would rather Galron expand upon. If he chooses not to, no problem voting and pushing him.

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why don't we massclaim the numbers we submitted? or is that illegal

I don’t know what number my predecessor submitted and didn’t ask. I just saw it was a micro on the replacement queue and looked at the setup and went “oh simple enough” since I wanted something simple that could combine with work.

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peta can be in there too
not falling for his shtick again

Gut says peta’s town here.

Your first three though, those are solid top tier reads.

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i do have to say that defusing mb vs koba would have been literally impossible

Then why is it defused now?

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I can see a DV+PB if I am wrong on Cakez

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MathBlade was a strong townread for me so Koba’s fixation on him was weird imo

What’s your read on the ball of pink?

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That’s a whole lotta not vote parking

VOTE: Pink Ball

Still scumread DV preventing quickhammers while I sort PB

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It does because 1) DV if scum has a partner
2) We are awaiting a replacement. No reason to end day without them.

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Interesting. Have you and I played before Koba? You seem to have a negative view of my scum game and a more positive view of my town one. Usually that is reversed.

I am curious as to why as I have no played with you and I am not scum here.

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Oh before I forget

VLA until tomorrow after work for Cyberpunk release (approx 25 hours)

Still will be posting but not as much.

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MB/DV are the scumteam lol

they're playing around eachother in a distancey way. MB's shade towards DV was never genuine.

He will never vote DV ever again this game I guarantee u.

This guarantee is wrong btw, I do plan on moving back on DV but not until we have a replacement present. I want the replacement to come in and interact before I move back.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67961

If you’re going to make assessments based on my scum play and set up knowledge this one you should probably look at first.

I am pretty much at one of you or DV is scum at minimum just trying to find a partner if any exist outside of you two.

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my play rn is literally at the limits of my scumgame(i could do this feasibly but its an option that i'd really have to be desperate to deploy) and the fact im fairly sure this game wont count should tell u i am town easily.

the fact u still have me locked in as a possible scumread shows that u are trapped into scumreading me. the fact that u will probably never vote DV at all this game anymore will show. if u do vote there it will be a solo vote, or a temporary vote.

u spewed urself as partners with DV and unless u can show that u are not trapped into a scumread on me I won't believe that u are town.

if i really wanted to fully catch u i would have faked a reason to townread you and see if your attitude changes(i fake reads as a trap for scum to see if their reads illogically change based on the boardstate seeming to change from their POV, or make fake scumreads on other players and see if ppl bite and push that)

So the TLDR is that you’re saying unless I townread you I am scum. That’s like literally something I never agree to ever. My reads are what they are. I don’t respond to threats to change them. I do work with my townreads and they say you’re town. That doesn’t leave out the possibility of you deepwolfing like Flavor did and you’re giving off scum tells that I usually look for in deepwolves or extremely bad newbies.

Someone’s alignment doesn’t depend on reading you correctly. It matters the motivation and the fact you can’t just let things be and literally ignore me shows you’re more than likely scum or tunneled.

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ok sure but the fact that new evidence still ties you to scumread me makes u scum (:

I am sorry what?

I do not follow?

Is there some new evidence that you’re town?

I haven’t seen anything recently and I do change my reads with evidence.

Right now the preponderance is you’re scum or DV or both.

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You still think Koba is scum, MB? What do you think about how their wagon dissolved?

There wasn’t a wagon, it was just me and DV iirc and I popped off to see if DV and Koba could be partners as they pinged me.

I do but it’s more a nagging feeling that won’t shut up. Every time I get a feel “okay they could be town”, they follow it up with something that seems objectively wrong and therefore scum.

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and someone's alignment does get tied to how they read certain things occuring.

theres a certain point where u become scum who is trying to discredit an obvtown.

i literally am committed to dying and have stated so.

look at my thread history: DDD:DD? day 2 where I insist I get limmed because I know I have caught scum and I know scum are aiming to mislim me on day 3 and they can't afford to keep me around. i am doing the same here where i suddenly turn around and make myself basically conf town and expose the 1 scum i needed to(alisae).
unfortunately that game i had a grudgevoter on me the whole game so that ended in a loss in lylo even tho scum was blatant lmfao(they got banned post game so it was transphobia fueled partially <3 love that)

but srsly lol ur push on me is so bad faith and its obvious and im actually glad gira is in this game bc he is someone that will actually see things like that and be able to agree with me instead of me having to implode as ppl are ignorant to it.

I am all for banning transphobes but I can’t deal with dysphoria and work atm. Again you say things like bad faith but I don’t think you’re applying it properly. You’re coming from assuming I am scum and therefore it is bad faith versus analyzing it the way it is.

And who is gira?

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ok sure but the fact that new evidence still ties you to scumread me makes u scum (:

I am sorry what?

I do not follow?

Is there some new evidence that you’re town?

I haven’t seen anything recently and I do change my reads with evidence.

Right now the preponderance is you’re scum or DV or both.

so you think scum hardclaims VT, selfs, and then pushes ppl to vote them.

Yes considering I have done similar as scum before and got out of an elim. Your content is mainly just pushing me and incorrect setup spec. I don’t see much Townie here and considering you’re spamming the thread it is a problem.

I just don’t think while I am alive anyone ever properly elims you if you’re scum. So I am focusing elsewhere.

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like if im scum u should be voting me which is hilarious that ur not especially when i want to be voted out. this is the scum play where town who FoSes you pushes you to vote them and u just refuse to bc it would lead to a chain lim lmfao + deny u of info u need to find town child.

everything ur doing rn lines up with how scum would approach the game with a fake scumread.

As I have said I want you or DV today. You probably won’t happen. You’re saying things that don’t compute. If DV is scum I was one of the main people to poke him. I legit don’t follow a majority of your posts. You’re claiming things no one else seems to understand and from what I see are anti town

On the off chance you are town you really need to back up maybe even to the beginning of the game to challenge your assumptions or explanations.

Me continuing with you is antitown on this.

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Votecount 1.5

DeasVail

(3): petapan, SirCakez, Pink Ball

DkKoba

(2): Bingle, DkKoba

petapan

(1): Galron

Pink Ball

(1): MathBlade

PookyTheMagicalBear

(1): DeasVail

SirCakez

(1): PookyTheMagicalBear

Not Voting

(0):

5 majority. Deadline in

--frozen--

and 1 day and 12 hours will be given upon replacement.

where ur vote at?

Yes my vote is on Pink Ball. My vote is to sort them. It would still be on DV, if it weren’t for the possibility of quickhammer.

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Like i said u trapped urself into FoSing me. I mistakenly gave u an easy out without doing a pocket test but u fell further into the trap. ftr DV is scummy for independent reasons and ur scumflip doesnt incriminate him necessarily bc it can be fake distancing but his scumflip incriminates you.

I fail to see how I flip when you’re not pushing me? This is a nonsequitor. His scum flip does not incriminate me as there’s nothing to incriminate. Like I fail to see your point. You keep pushing me yet don’t vote me.

This is just noise and is actively harming your case if you believe me to be scum.

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You’re not voting me, you’re not pushing me you’re spamming me.

This is not fruitful. Everyone understands you think I am scum incorrectly. What I am scared of is when I flip what you have eliminated already and if you’re town we’re fucked.

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why would u care if ur scumread got quickhammered?

Because then we can’t see if the replacement is a buddy. In every game every slot is needed.

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yeah his flips incriminates u bc of your actions around him. i recently caught scum the same way in a game -> https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=84839

Omg is this really what I sound like when I do bad tunnels y’all?

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VOTE: SirCakez

If you aren’t reading it it can’t be TvT unless you know it’s TvT

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If you’re town Koba can you like not? Please if you’re town it’s hard enough to clean up after some things.
VOTE: Pooky

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It’s called hunting for DV’s likely second half and playing the game while waiting on a replacement. I hear it’s fun.

You should try it at some point rather than just repeatedly spamming I am scum.

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It’s called checking if you’re alive and if you’re DV’s partner. Are you?

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Ewwww that combined with DV being there just ewww

VOTE: Unvote

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I like legit don’t get this. The whole point is to elim scum. If Koba is VT it’s a dumb elim. Not sure if I believe it but there’s something fishy going on with Koba. Still think DV is the proper elim once replacement gets in barring nuclear apocalypse

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well its too late for that

Now I think the plan is stupid but why is it too late for that?
Didn’t you say 24 hours left and deadline has been frozen at more than 24 hours for a few days?

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DV is cool why do you want to get rid of him

Because he’s probably scum with Pooky. Or it’s just Pooky and Bingle. Thinking DV+Pooky but all scum in those three.

And yes I now townread Koba even though their plan is imho incredibly dumb.

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ok i give up

I hardclaim mafia father

Please end me already

Gah you’re really testing my patience with the elim all claimed scum rule I have. The only reason I don’t do this right now is someone did it last game and actually was town. I get you have said earlier you think you should be the elim. Like I do not understand why you’re being so antitown and destructive.

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whos the mafia child then

VOTE: Pooky

Pooky is a bad bad bear.

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VOTE: Deas Vail

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Why no wagonz for wins?

Because pink balls are fluffy. The profile pic is huggable

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Me no want to vote DV. Static wagons = le town flip.

Well I was. I took my vote off initially because waiting for replacement.

If the wagon is static then catch up and give reads Titus. If not then someone decided to vote DV that didn’t do it before which gives more to go off of depending upon his flip.

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A game with Titus AND Mathblade? I feel like it's 2015.

I feel like I am dumb and supposed to get something here but I can’t find the reference I am supposed to know.

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Maybe. Maybe keeping my word from earlier I’d be back on DV once a replacement came in. Maybe just seeing what Titus does.

Could be lots of things.

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Nah. No point. Seems like a fishing expedition I don’t wanna help.

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Hey Titus you caught up? Reads?

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Nah I don’t think Titus is scum here.
She’s been overwhelmingly disappointing recently.
Would need to see D2 to confirm.
The exception is if Koba is scum.

DV/Pooky/Bingle all scum there still my final answer

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That’s in order if likelihood btw.

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Nah I don’t think Titus is scum here.
She’s been overwhelmingly disappointing recently.
Would need to see D2 to confirm.
The exception is if Koba is scum.

DV/Pooky/Bingle all scum there still my final answer

You do realize I’m an uncc’d PR in an open who has been shamelessly active lurking to avoid dropping child tells and I’d get cc’d if I were scum, right?

It’s dropped end of day no CC is possible for some players.
Or maybe I am giving you shade so scum don’t kill you.

Who knows. Maybe I am just being “dumb”.

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Also as a part of my “dumbness” if you are the CC don’t claim til tomorrow.

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VOTE: DV

Imho that quick hammer of Koba made this apparent it’s prolly DV+Pooky.

If you’re town X and don’t CC Bingle you’re imho silly here as Bingle would be conf scum to you.

If no one CCs then Bingle becomes conf Town and should prolly decide the elim much as I think it’s the above. This helps keep the child secret. If someone CCs we can decide between the two claimants.

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Votecount 1.5

DeasVail

(3): petapan, SirCakez, Pink Ball

DkKoba

(2): Bingle, DkKoba

petapan

(1): Galron

Pink Ball

(1): MathBlade

PookyTheMagicalBear

(1): DeasVail

SirCakez

(1): PookyTheMagicalBear

Not Voting

(0):

5 majority. Deadline in

--frozen--

and 1 day and 12 hours will be given upon replacement.

We know that from this VC the odds of DV being town child are next to nothing.

So if DV is town they’d have to be the mafia Town aligned child (otherwise no difference between DV and Koba and yet that stalled) and we can still elim them. Pretty sure elim DV is the right thing here.

Thoughts?

I am thinking elim DV is the right play here.

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lol well then

the quickhammer was because we were approaching deadline and people were sheeping the mother claim, but i am fine with voting dv anyway

I may have DV’s partner wrong but that DV wagon sat idle for a while then almost in quick succession many many people were shown to be lurking and quick hammered DV. Those same people could have quick hammered DV and didn’t.

It seems you disagree. Care to elaborate?

Btw I am assuming neither Titus nor peta are CCing Bingle. If you’re town mother speak up now or forever hold your peace.

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Alright, I think Math is town here. He's possibly right too. Worth a sheep and see.

VOTE: DV

Titus pretend DV has flipped scum and the wagon data for today got corrupted.

Who is scum with DV based on D1?

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that DV wagon sat idle for a while then almost in quick succession many many people were shown to be lurking and quick hammered DV. Those same people could have quick hammered DV and didn’t.

ohhh i get what you're saying, i thought you were just scumreading people solely for the deadline sheep

If you get what I am saying do you think it is right?

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Math I think that once Bingle claims parent and declares a vote the correct play is to follow that vote, unless it’s obviously wrong I guess.

Contesting bingle there forces bingle to reveal more and gives scum too much information imo

I believe that’s what I said no?

I am just trying to make the most of this day and hunt before everyone confirms Bingle is likely conf.

If Bingle confirms conf then Bingle can decide the day, but that doesn’t mean we sit on our asses til then.

Let’s assume you’re town atm, why do you think scum didn’t want to elim you?

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It’s important to consider that apart from Pink Ball (who is no longer with us, RIP, sorry for suspecting you :’( ), Bingle was (and is) the town player with the most information.

Indeed he is but iioa is a tell. There’s no reason you can’t hunt.

I am also assuming by this you’re also not CCing Bingle.

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Hmmm I only just noticed the Titus vote on me. It seems very strange after Day 1

How so?

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Not CCing
Think DV is pretty obviously scum here but not sure on the rest of my pool. PB flipping town surprised me.

What do you make of DV suspecting Titus then?

Is it distancing because he knows he’s going down or a last chance fight to try to get me and Titus to bicker?

Leaning the first but the second is possible.

[MathBlade]

My final thoughts before this day ends and I get nightkilled are that DV and Titus are my biggest scumreads, so hopefully you guys will deal with them

Sorry, Mr floof, but crumbing you as child was very believable and I did genuinely townread you.

Now that the why behind my lurking is known, I’m probably gonna be slightly more useful in that I’m gonna ask for clarifications on people’s reads. Still not sharing reads of my own. Likely won’t veto a vote unless it’s necessary. If you’re the father claim before hammer.

Not sure how you’re going to expect Pink Ball to claim while dead. He flipped father iirc.

[MathBlade]

Pink Ball was eliminated Night 1. They were a

Town Father

.

Yeah...wanna try rephrasing that?

[MathBlade]

Generic question: who makes sense as scum with DV?

I can make a case for a lot of people being scum with DV. Trying to learn from my mason game when I shoulda just tunneled Flavor and said f the check. I think the reactions today will seal the deal on who it is.

[MathBlade]

I am such a rebellious one not directly answering mama Bingle’s question and I trust that Pink Ball is town

Whatcha going to do about it Bingle?

[MathBlade]

titus probably

Expand on that for me.

[MathBlade]

titus didn't want to vote him yesterday but suddenly does now. cakez and pooky seem unlikely. not that deep.

Cakez if scum is a deep wolf but prolly town.

Why do you say not pooky? They’re my top scumspect with DV, you and Titus are tied for second.

[MathBlade]

imagine suspecting a magical bear of crimes

dont be ridiculous math math

I do. You’re not doing much to dissaude me.

[MathBlade]

Btw Pooky not CCing Bingle confirms it.

The floor is yours sir conf town.

Is it DV? It would be my honor to push them in your name.

[MathBlade]

I do. You’re not doing much to dissaude me.

am I supposed to do a handstand here?

Scumhunting would be good.

Same with Titus.

Y’all seem to be allergic to it.

[MathBlade]

Kinda sounds like it. Wonder why EP doesn’t let them concede if that’s the case. Pretty much if DV is the mafia unlinked player just mafia child claims tomorrow for easy win.

If DV is mafia linked child then game is still a foot but not by much.

[MathBlade]

Probably should still play it out in case one of the two is the mafia linked child (or maybe I am who knows) and elim DV.

[MathBlade]

Well, I didn't expect a CC. Math and I are innocent children now.

Titus the mafia would have to CC here.

If the mafia didn’t CC then the child becomes inno.

The child kill was kinda silly last night for that reason and I was trying to bait being child with Bingle and failing miserably.

What does your VCA say?

[MathBlade]

Then if Pooky is scum then CCing actually doesn’t make sense because two innos unless he thinks Peta votes him no matter what.

Pooky makes sense based on end of D2 but doesn’t based on play today.
Kinda torn actually.

[MathBlade]

Well, I didn't expect a CC. Math and I are innocent children now.

Titus the mafia would have to CC here.

If the mafia didn’t CC then the child becomes inno.

The child kill was kinda silly last night for that reason and I was trying to bait being child with Bingle and failing miserably.

What does your VCA say?

If Pooky!mafia doesn't CC here, he has one inno instead of two.

My VCA machine is closed due to reality until at least Friday afternoon.

I am just wondering if he was invested enough to realize that.

It’s super late no rush let’s revisit this later. I can look in the am.

[MathBlade]

Then if Pooky is scum then CCing actually doesn’t make sense because two innos unless he thinks Peta votes him no matter what.

Pooky makes sense based on end of D2 but doesn’t based on play today.
Kinda torn actually.

That's where I am at...minus the whole end of D2 thing.

Pooky’s play makes sense as defeated scum. But then again mafia child wants to be elimmed.

[MathBlade]

Then if Pooky is scum then CCing actually doesn’t make sense because two innos unless he thinks Peta votes him no matter what.

Pooky makes sense based on end of D2 but doesn’t based on play today.
Kinda torn actually.

That's where I am at...minus the whole end of D2 thing.

Pooky’s play makes sense as defeated scum. But then again mafia child wants to be elimmed.

Mafia child has no way of knowing they are mafia child though.

It was kinda obvious though since mid day one.

Pink told me not to push town when I poked at SirCakez. Since then just been poking around for scum.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: SirCakez

If you aren’t reading it it can’t be TvT unless you know it’s TvT

Just read there for context.

Since then it’s been damage control to hide SirCakez.

[MathBlade]

i think i should just claim that i'm the mafia child now? if the last mafia isn't linked to me, i die if we no elim, if i am still linked, the mafia probably no-kills.

This is wrong.

Assuming Pooky is scum, you never die if we no elim. I or Titus does.

Same the other way.

The game is between you and Pooky. We know one is scum the other is town.

It just becomes a matter of if it is autopilot or not

[MathBlade]

Did a quick skim of the votes. Since DV actually voted Pooky Peta seems to be the scum based on VCA
But Pooky seems to be the scum based on play.

Thoughts?

[MathBlade]

he voted me too (see VC in 961) and i was a more viable wagon than pooky since afk galron had his vote on me and cakez was calling me scum so it seemed like he'd potentially vote me (i think cakez was just trolling me because i fooled him in another game we were in). the pooky vote didn't have much weight behind it at all.

Fair point I missed that

Sleepy math

[MathBlade]

DV is cool why do you want to get rid of him

Because he’s probably scum with Pooky. Or it’s just Pooky and Bingle. Thinking DV+Pooky but all scum in those three.

And yes I now townread Koba even though their plan is imho incredibly dumb.

I think combined with prior reads and the end of day two play and the vote I forgot about it’s prolly Pooky.

Titus thoughts?

[MathBlade]

if you look at my play shift from game 1, its pretty obv i didnt want to get killed N1 again.

the reason is because I got dealt a child card.

if I get dealt a mafia card I just do the same shit as i did in the first game.

I don't really care that much if you guys get this wrong cuz like, this game probly doesnt matter.

but anyway its obviously peta.

if you guys like get it wrong, I hope peta loves me.

my entire perspective only makes sense from Town!child POV. I don't play scum like this.

GL Mathcam/Titus.

I am Mathblade.

Mathcam is a different user. Although I am humbled you think I am as good as he is.

[MathBlade]

does a handstand

there now you know I am town

go hunt down bad guys thanks

Why did you do this post?

[MathBlade]

Peta and Pooky do you think you’re mechanically smart?

[MathBlade]

Now assuming Peta scum he claimed first. So he’d have to have know the child was going to die and Bingle to die for his plan to work. It’s a pretty risky shot.

I am leaning Pooky and it seems like Peta put in more effort.

So if Peta you’re scum congrats.

VOTE: Pooky

[MathBlade]

Titus I am okay if you hammer but if you think otherwise lemme know and I will Unvote.

[MathBlade]

dude i specifically put in less effort because I am a child trying not to be nightkilled

peta put in more effort because he is scum

are you playing to WIN the game or reward who put in more effort?

play to your win condition you are not a mafia competition judge. you are IN THE GAME

YOU HAVE A SIDE

I can case both of you as scum.

I am trusting my gut and it seemed like you were caught scum earlier.

This back and forth makes sense for that world.

[MathBlade]

Now assuming Peta scum he claimed first. So he’d have to have know the child was going to die and Bingle to die for his plan to work. It’s a pretty risky shot.

HE CLAIMED AFTER THE FLIP ARE YOU SERIOUS

Yes he claimed the first of you two.

For Peta to be scum it would be intentional that’s my point.

[MathBlade]

Votecount 2.2 - final

DeasVail

(4): MathBlade, Titus, Bingle, PookyTheMagicalBear

Not Voting

(3): petapan, DeasVail, SirCakez

This doesn’t count DV was inevitable.

If anything this makes you more likely scum

[MathBlade]

I can case both of you as scum.

I am trusting my gut and it seemed like you were caught scum earlier.

This back and forth makes sense for that world.

I have never been caught scum in 17 years of playing on this website.

This is ridciulous

Cool. First time for everything then I suppose.

[MathBlade]

seriously mathblade

how committed are you to this bad tunnel against me

tell me the truth

if the mod walked in here and posted a "pooky is guranteed to be aligned with the town" would you still be trying to elim me?

No. I wouldn’t. But I think at some point I have to make a decision.

And this one is one I am okay with.

If Titus says otherwise I will obviously listen but she said she is sheeping me so if it’s up to me I pick you as the scum.

[MathBlade]

look buddy

i know you want to give peta the win cuz he's amazing in your opinion

and you want me to lose because you don't like me for whatever reason.

that's fine

vote for Peta.

win the game for the town.

afterwards you can ship him a trophy for "best mafia player" and send me a bag of doggy doo doo

I don't care

Do the right thing for every other person of this town that wants to win

This is not about like and dislike.

I know neither of you.

You both seem awesome people. This is just about the game.

[MathBlade]

Pooky comes across as the most different here compared to last game. Pooky was such a town VOICE there but here it’s just.... falling flat.

im sure this is something DV says about his mafia partner lol

It’s something he says about neither of you as at that point if you or Peta are elimmed it’s a loss of a scum.

[MathBlade]

A lot of your arguments and AtE and just bad.

You seem to be out of control flailing scum.

Titus has hammers.

[MathBlade]

If she thinks I am tunnely she will correct me

[MathBlade]

Math, I think Peta's behavior makes the most scum sense.

Scum, starting today, would know the identity of their child. Therefore, scum!Peta has to make a choice. Does he push scum!Pooky or scum!Titus. He has to make that choice post one. So his thought process is which one will Math miseliminate?

Meanwhile, Pooky knows that Peta will claim child. That's fine to scum Pooky. He just pushes scum!Titus.

I think this is incorrect. Pooky scum has to know who he can manipulate. He knows if it’s you as scum, me and Peta vote Pooky here no matter what. I don’t think it’s quite so clear cut here.

[MathBlade]

Math, I think Peta's behavior makes the most scum sense.

Scum, starting today, would know the identity of their child. Therefore, scum!Peta has to make a choice. Does he push scum!Pooky or scum!Titus. He has to make that choice post one. So his thought process is which one will Math miseliminate?

Meanwhile, Pooky knows that Peta will claim child. That's fine to scum Pooky. He just pushes scum!Titus.

Scum also know their child at the onset. This was announced publicly at around the 300s.

[MathBlade]

like if he doesnt claim child, I claim child, I become IC, I'm probly not going to vote Mathblade his shit-tunnel on me makes no sense when he knows my death = a mafia parent dying.

so it'd be between titus-peta for the elim for me and I think he doesn't win a 1v1 vs you

If your death = a mafia parent dying why are you so hung up on not being the elim?

[MathBlade]

Long term I 100% agree with you.

But scum only need one elim here.

VOTE: Unvote

I will Unvote while we talk it out but I really think you’re falling for AtE here

[MathBlade]

because peta doesnt love me

if he loved me he wouldve conceded by now

me getting elimed here means we lose the game

Uhm what?

If you get elimmed it’s quite possible you take Peta with you if you’re the child.

This may just be a thought exercise

[MathBlade]

The only way “we” guaranteed lose is if “we” = you +DV

[MathBlade]

VOTE: peta

That's where I am at.

Are you at least going to explain why more than a sentence?

Like ....This just looks like a repeat of the mason game where I bear my thoughts to you, you go no and we lose.

[MathBlade]

It really doesn’t Titus.

Peta posted a VCA wall with Cakez still alive on it.

His wall was framed at being against you not Pooky if he is scum.

I don’t think scum goes through an entire play by play then claims child first.

Can you try to explain again how you think peta’s play is scum? I just don’t see it

[MathBlade]

DV/Math:

DV sits out the math/koba fight early, saying in 471 "I townread Math more than I townread Koba", but as the fight goes on, he starts to move toward scumreading koba when koba clearly won't back down, saying "I’m doubting you too right now" in 614. he expands on his defense of math in 697, saying "Math seemed much more focused on game thoughts and sorting things", calls math a strong townread in 789. i don't know if he'd go for such a full-throated defense of his own partner, i think it's possible mathblade is the mafia child for this reason.

mathblade townreads DV early in 419, explained to koba in 421. it feels very...over-explain-y on townreading DV for a post that was just a joke. says he "needs to see more of" DV in 475 but says he has a "strong town read" from "two good posts" in 479, and asks DV is koba is bad town or scum. interstingly, in 510 math says he backs off cakez because DV thought he may be town. despite the aerly townreading aech other, this interaction strikes me as non-partnery in the sense that i would not expect a teammate to just follow the word of a partner like that, it does feel like math was legitimately trusting DV here. when pushing koba, says if they are town they agree on DV being scum in 631, while asking DV's opinion of koba claiming VT and selfvoting in 637. interesting comment of "scum never bus" in 649. shifts to an attitude of "koba or you" in 651. then switches to voting DV in 673 "For shits and giggles". the interaction in 678 definitely doesn't look like teammates talking to each other, i don't think. read of DV has flipped to a scumread in 816. continued scumreading of DV, says he's the proper elim in 970, and moves back in 1012 after titus subs in, when the day is close to ending. it's a bit WIFOM-y, but mathblade saying scum won't bus in this and then going after DV on day 1 seems a pretty unlikely behavior from scum, especially when koba effectively threw in the towel and math could have easily continued to push there. i'm pretty sure mathblade is town

DV/Titus:

interestingly, in 928, DV says he's "defaulting to just scumreading the people who aren't talking much" but doesn't mention the absent galron. he put no pressure there when he easily could have. when titus shows up and pink votes her, DV asks "why Titus and why now?" in 1044, agrees with koba callign the vote garbage in 1045.

I still have a lot of issues with Titus defending DV on replace in because of a "static wagon" in 1017 and stopping me from hammering him, only to sheep math on the scumread in 1072 at the start of day 2. i don't see it as making much sense and it feels like a go with the flow read flip reversal bus.

DV/Cakez:

DV names cakez as possible scum in 827 but says he doesn't have any reasons. he piggybacks onto cakez calling me "defensive" in 945. that's kind of it as far as their interactions seem to go.

cakez did push DV fairly hard as a scumread, he voted him for dv's approach to sitting on the outside of the koba/math fight and taking potshots in 759, something i noticed as well. he'll probably call this a scummy mindmeld fake but whatever. called out DV for IIOA in 766. calls him out again for being noncommittal in 795. leaving his vote on there all day and never moving off. i don't see cakez as very likely to bus here, so i'm inclined to say he's just town.

DV/pooky:

DV votes pooky with a "where did you go" in 471, says "Pookie something seems off to me about you here" in 741. he names pooky as one of 3 possible scum in his pool in 827, saying he comes across different.

pooky replies to DV in 839 about being heartbroken kanna is not in the game, but otherwise doesn't talk to him. there's nothing here i would say that is really clearing, dv's vote could read as weak distancing, but i'd put pooky as a hair less likely to be a partner to DV than titus based on interactions. i have significant issues with pooky's weirdness around koba, reading back, though.


so in terms of likelihood to be scum i'd go titus>pooky>math>cakez

@Titus here you go.

First post of the day.

[MathBlade]

The big tell is that he posted this a minute after day open.

No way in hell he types that much in a minute so town or scum that post was prepared in advance.