Among Us Mafia [GAME OVER]

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VOTE: alisae

imagine if shea had made that day start PM clickable wow

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Scum probably has to have some reason for us to just not do that

like nightkills? or... what

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i'm not claiming jack shit hell fucking no

y'all have fun w/out me

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ok good people are just spamming, i literally took like a 5 minute break and there were 4 pages

i'm not going to keep up with all this hyperposting nor am i going to be rereading the hyperposting that i miss, just as a heads up

i'm going to do other things now

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Lol

I think we are giving scum a lot of info here, but whatevs

yes

this is why it's very stupid what we're doing

but alisae is playing that magic pipe and everyone's marching along following alisae right over the cliff's edge

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oh, not eliminating anyone to give us time to do tasks is pretty smart actually? i think?

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so like, let me get this straight.

town wins if we do all tasks
scum get one standard NK and one room kill
so if we just NK then we're losing two people each cycle to scum kills anyway
if it's on average 2 tasks per player, and we have 17 people, assuming say 4 scum, that puts us at 13 crewmates aka roughly 26 tasks to complete
i assume each person can only complete one task per cycle? so if EVERYONE got their task done immediately, we could theoretically halve the number of tasks to do after one cycle?

this feels too easy. like scum have to have a way to fuck with tasks.

wait. of course they do. they have sabotages of some kind. i bet that's the mechanic we don't know yet. sabos will force people to go certain places and spend their time fixing sabotages instead of doing tasks.

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scum can only use the bonus NK on someone in a room if they are in the room with that person AND there are no other town in that room.

so if there r 2 town in a room, a bonus NK can't happen in that room.

also when someone dies, their tasks become open to be claimed, so that sets us back, hence why I said more alive townies = faster task completion

couldn't scum just not speak and not reveal they're in the room at night

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hi i'm not reading the last 12 pages

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oh, not eliminating anyone to give us time to do tasks is pretty smart actually? i think?

How’d you know that came up?

bc alisae asked me what i thought about it or something while i was skimming

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Hot take: The entire scum team hasn’t claimed locations yet because they are waiting to figure out what to do.

i am literally not claiming locations or tasks today so yeet me or stop blustering

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Hot take: The entire scum team hasn’t claimed locations yet because they are waiting to figure out what to do.

i am literally not claiming locations or tasks today so yeet me or stop blustering

Will you at least go where you’re told? You don’t need to come forward with everything yet but if you’re not gonna claim your locations you’re gonna be at the mercy of everyone else’s needs for where you go tonight.

if it fits with where i want to go, sure

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if it fits with where i want to go, sure

See, you can’t do this and NOT claim your locations. Either you claim your locations so that can be factored in or you do what you’re told. Do NOT do what I did in The Thing Mafia if you’re town.

fortunately i don't answer to you and fortunately for town i have one small iota of brain activity to know that a D1 massclaim is an awful idea and is just empowering scum to do dumb scum shit

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i will, under no circumstances, "do what I'm told" lmfao

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VOTE: reckoner
Nah, not letting you act like you’re willing to play ball and then try to run away with it when you realize you have to play fair

at what point, in any world, did i give you the indication i'm going along with this asinine plan

was it when i talked about alisae being the pied piper leading people off the cliff?
or was it when i stated multiple times i'm not claiming today

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VOTE: reckoner
Nah, not letting you act like you’re willing to play ball and then try to run away with it when you realize you have to play fair

at what point, in any world, did i give you the indication i'm going along with this asinine plan

was it when i talked about alisae being the pied piper leading people off the cliff?
or was it when i stated multiple times i'm not claiming today

Why is the plan asinine?

because it relies solely on the assumption that the mod designed a game that is completely breakable by mass claim day one

which is not what shea did, because it's shea

scum absolutely 100% have powers/ways to fuck with room assignments. there are vents to hop between rooms unseen. there are sabotages to force people to specific rooms or we lose the game. etc. tons of mechanics that are THEMATICALLY SPOT-ON that would fuck us with a mass claim. especially once scum know exactly where everybody has to go to complete tasks, they can use their bullshit to fuck with us in a major way

i'm not participating in this. i swear, towns on MS nowadays are WAY too quick to just vomit forth any information they want and hand scum a free informational advantage on a silver platter.

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oh, not eliminating anyone to give us time to do tasks is pretty smart actually? i think?

How’d you know that came up?

And yeah why the fuck are you okay with the no elim but not the plan portion?
VOTE: Reckoner
TGP you had a point about looking at who supported what.

i see you're quoting your previous post asking me a question which i've already responded to in order to feign some "growth" in read on me, very nice job gamma emerald, it almost seems authentic and human!

i'm okay with the no elim because the reason you usually DON'T NoLim is bc the only mechanism town has to achieve victory is via eliminating scum.
this game is different. there's no imperative to eliminate scum. there's just an imperative to eventually get all tasks done. that's why limming isn't necessarily

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Titus wagon feels scum driven

why

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HC is scum riding off town Reck's coattails to disrupt the game.

this is an extremely spicy take considering until you posted this i had forgotten HC was even in the game, what is HC doing that is "disruptive"

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Also reminding people Reck scumslipped in a post

Point this out to me.

Also Reck is the only person talking any sense right now; I too have already decided which room I'm going to tonight. I'll let you know where it is tomorrow.

this? this one post is what qualifies as "riding my coattails" and "disrupting the game"???

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@Reck

- who feels like scum who is going along with/wants the massclaim plan

i'm about to head into a flurry of meetings so quoting this as something i want to respond to and not breeze past when i'm out

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Spoiler:

@Reck

- who feels like scum who is going along with/wants the massclaim plan

i'm about to head into a flurry of meetings so quoting this as something i want to respond to and not breeze past when i'm out

right so, i think titus is town. yes that's partially bc they defended me lightly. i am v susceptible to that. i also think GE is town just misguided.
flea's contributions and setup spec come from a similar place where mine does, so i think flea is probably town too?

these are all very early reads that will evolve

that would leave the scum on the "massclaim" wagon being somewhere among like... alisae, battlemage, murdercat, pooky, cakez, tgp? not all of them obvs but at least one IMO.

of those im probably the most sus of murdercat rn. the way they were like "lol we're giving scum too much info but eyyy it's ok" really rubbed me the wrong way. like if you're town and think this plan is bad, why are you passively agreeing to it/going along with it/not stopping it?

cakez is #2 for me bc of the way they're playing around the idea... like, cakez is on board and agreeing with the massclaim plan, but then simultaneously like, attacking gamma emerald for voting me for NOT going along with the plan. it looks like cakez could just be trying to stir shit up to make sure as many people as possible look sus but i don't think it's internally consistent logically.

akarin is actually pinging me as slightly scummy? i can't put my finger on it, so call it gut for now, but something ab the way she's contributing to the discussion seems very much like LAMIST and not actual mechsolving or scumhunting.

bell is also sitting in the scummy column for me rn. i read bell's posts about setup spec/mechs as someone who has extra info but is pretending they don't. i wish i could exactly explain it. just... the attitude/tone of the posts. it raised my eyebrow and hey it's something.

idk what dgb is doing. or taly.

outworlder came in and like, has v interesting interactions with cakez and murdercat and akarin, all of whom ping me as scum as well. so im either deep in the pocket of scum mindset or outworlder is coming at it from the same place i am (ie town)

somehow this response post became a wall of reads but gun to my head it's like

TOWN

titus, gammaem, flea, outworlder*

AT LEAST ONE SCUM

alisae, battlemage, murdercat, pooky, cakez, tgp

SOME BIG NULL PILE SOMEWHERE

dgb, taly, blitzo, haschel

SCUMMY OUTSIDE OF MASSCLAIM BULLSHIT

murdercat, akarin, bell

so basically like over half the game is in my uh oh pile right now and i need to work on getting it down

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I also wonder if each room has its own way to impact the game.

@Reck

I think you're the one who is saying that you have somewhat of an idea of how shea designs games. Do you think this is within your expectations?

no idea, and i havent designed a game with shea before. i just know his sensibilities. i don't think the rooms will have special abilities outside of the ability to do tasks in them.

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TOWN
titus, gammaem, flea, outworlder*

AT LEAST ONE SCUM
alisae, battlemage, murdercat, pooky, cakez, tgp

SOME BIG NULL PILE SOMEWHERE
dgb, taly, blitzo, haschel

SCUMMY OUTSIDE OF MASSCLAIM BULLSHIT
murdercat, akarin, bell

what the fuck is this readslist

it's a readlist, nice of you to quote it and ask what it is

do you want to like, ask an actual question? or u just makin noise?

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And if only the few claim that have claimed now, we're essentially guaranteeing 2 NKs with no one looking particularly suspicious for them. I think claiming where we are going N1 makes sense for at least a lot of players.

I think I'm kind of a special case as outlined before and I still might want to claim it depending.

Like are people clear that that's the cost of not claiming anything? And that's worth not giving scum the information?

Or do people disagree with that conclusion?

If scum wind up ALONE in a room with someone else, they get the extra kill yes
And other people will know who they were with and can clear each other
At which point it's pretty easy PoE to figure out who did it

except... I'm 99% sure that scum have abilities to lock people in rooms, jump between rooms, etc. it would fit and give them a way to fuck with the choice phase, which they absolutely have the ability to do

so... we're essentially saying "we don't know what scum has, we don't know what ways they can fuck with us, so why don't we hand them ALL the information town has to give them an even larger informational advantage"
that's it, that's the case for being transparent with scum ab roles

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It's frustrating because I feel like people's eyes started glazing over at the mech talk and they just shut their brains down and stopped thinking about it.

or, hear me out, the plan is very stupid

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You're SRing/null reading everyone except four people
How?

i see you're not reading very closely

i only called 3 people actually scummy in that list, the other bucket was categorizing people on the claim plan who could have scum motivation

and yes, i do feel like given the sheer noise:content ratio in this game, it's completely fathomable to not have many strong town reads at the moment, especially w/ alisae et al leading us all on a one way trip to stupidtown with this goddamn massclaim plan

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do tasks, kill obvscum, win

play mafia

like people generally do

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You're SRing/null reading everyone except four people
How?

i see you're not reading very closely

i only called 3 people actually scummy in that list, the other bucket was categorizing people on the claim plan who could have scum motivation

and yes, i do feel like given the sheer noise:content ratio in this game, it's completely fathomable to not have many strong town reads at the moment, especially w/ alisae et al leading us all on a one way trip to stupidtown with this goddamn massclaim plan

From what I see everyone in your list is in the possible scumpile except for those four TRs so I don't see what I misunderstood

TOWN

titus, gammaem, flea, outworlder*

AT LEAST ONE

SCUM

alisae, battlemage, murdercat, pooky, cakez, tgp

SOME BIG NULL PILE SOMEWHERE

dgb, taly, blitzo, haschel

SCUMMY OUTSIDE OF MASSCLAIM BULLSHIT

murdercat, akarin, bell

so basically like

over half the game is in my uh oh pile right now and i need to work on getting it down

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i made it real big 4 u

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Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

why
tbh Titus' reads seem sensible

BM is playing to town meta

Meta is cancer

a woman after my own heart

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Say Crew #10 dies as a bonus kill to Imposter #2, and they use their normal kill on Imposter #4.

why would imposters kill their own player what

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maybe I should just leave Titus on the backburner tbh.
Early Game Titus is way harder to read then Late Game Titus

good post

Spoiler:

@Reck

- who feels like scum who is going along with/wants the massclaim plan

i'm about to head into a flurry of meetings so quoting this as something i want to respond to and not breeze past when i'm out

right so, i think titus is town. yes that's partially bc they defended me lightly. i am v susceptible to that. i also think GE is town just misguided.
flea's contributions and setup spec come from a similar place where mine does, so i think flea is probably town too?

these are all very early reads that will evolve

that would leave the scum on the "massclaim" wagon being somewhere among like... alisae, battlemage, murdercat, pooky, cakez, tgp? not all of them obvs but at least one IMO.

of those im probably the most sus of murdercat rn. the way they were like "lol we're giving scum too much info but eyyy it's ok" really rubbed me the wrong way. like if you're town and think this plan is bad, why are you passively agreeing to it/going along with it/not stopping it?

cakez is #2 for me bc of the way they're playing around the idea... like, cakez is on board and agreeing with the massclaim plan, but then simultaneously like, attacking gamma emerald for voting me for NOT going along with the plan. it looks like cakez could just be trying to stir shit up to make sure as many people as possible look sus but i don't think it's internally consistent logically.

akarin is actually pinging me as slightly scummy? i can't put my finger on it, so call it gut for now, but something ab the way she's contributing to the discussion seems very much like LAMIST and not actual mechsolving or scumhunting.

bell is also sitting in the scummy column for me rn. i read bell's posts about setup spec/mechs as someone who has extra info but is pretending they don't. i wish i could exactly explain it. just... the attitude/tone of the posts. it raised my eyebrow and hey it's something.

idk what dgb is doing. or taly.

outworlder came in and like, has v interesting interactions with cakez and murdercat and akarin, all of whom ping me as scum as well. so im either deep in the pocket of scum mindset or outworlder is coming at it from the same place i am (ie town)

somehow this response post became a wall of reads but gun to my head it's like

TOWN

titus, gammaem, flea, outworlder*

AT LEAST ONE SCUM

alisae, battlemage, murdercat, pooky, cakez, tgp

SOME BIG NULL PILE SOMEWHERE

dgb, taly, blitzo, haschel

SCUMMY OUTSIDE OF MASSCLAIM BULLSHIT

murdercat, akarin, bell

so basically like over half the game is in my uh oh pile right now and i need to work on getting it down

quick q: do you think scum are more likely to actively develop the plan or follow it
also you have 2 murdercat instances in the reads, was that intended

it wasn't intended by murdercat is both someone i find independently scummy and someone who would be in the first group

i think scum could do either. i think mechsolving is a good way to try to look helpful d1 in a mech heavy game like this

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Solid Town: Bell/Alisae/Pooky/Reckoner/OWER*/Gamma*

I think I like this
like yeah I don't like how reck is playing but he does seem to be earnest to a degree. I just wish he wouldn't be such an anti and would actually suggest something if he is going to continue rejecting the existing plan

we nolim, people do their shit tonight, and we see where we are tomorrow

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against, bc it necessitates telling scum where everybody is going to be

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What about a general, go to these 5 rooms if you can, without any info about which individuals are where?

sure, people can do that.
ill be going to the room where i need to do my task.

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it occurs to me at this point i could just tell you guys im going with the plan and deal w/ the consequences of not doing so tomorrow

im going with the plan

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i can see why people might be duped into following the plany

only, posting what you're doing just gives scum too much info sry

quote shit back at me at endgame if im super wrong and massclaim would've broken the game wide open

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reck if you tell us you are going to room ___ and its got 3 people in it, and then you dont go to room ___ and instead there are 2 people, and one of them is scum, and he gets a bonus kill on town, we r going to lockscum you so you are just hardthrowing atp

i am very on board with [insert plan here]

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look guys i know this is pretty fast for some of you, but the most important question is whether we get everybody's assignments and whether we leash the entire PL to create safety and accountability and information.

Now we KNOW scum get a bonus NK if they get one of us alone in a room with them.

We want to avoid that - my strategy is to claim all rooms, figure out pathing, create accountability and a record of all movement so that we can avoid giving the scum an extra NK without them revealing to us exactly who is responsible.

If there's if we have Room A(3people) and Room B(3 people) - and 1 person from each room dies at night that means a double guilty in room A or B.

I don't want scum to get free NKs on us.

Now reck/outworld and some other folks believe its better if there is a fog of war and we can't see where everyone is going.

Their argument for this is "Well the mod must have accounted for this so it must be bad"

Like if the mod tells you that mafia get a bonus NK if they get in a room alone with you, why the heck would you not take steps to try to prevent this!?

like it just seems very silly to me for us to wander around alone and hope mafia dont find us when they spread out hunting.

how many times do i need to reiterate that the mod wouldnt fucking tell us what scum's secret mechanics are to fuck with rooms

imagine this: scum have an ability to move someone out of a room against their will

we sort people into rooms of 3

we also tell scum what fucking groups we're sending to each location

scum use an ability to move someone out of a room, then use a vent to go over and kill them bc they know where they're going to be

now we come back, we had two kills anyway, we're suspicious of the person(people) that were supposed to be in a room with the kill target, and all we've done is tell scum exactly where we'll be, how many tasks each of us has, and where we have to do them

like for one fucking second take a moment to assume that just bc we know "scum can kill in rooms alone with people" doesn't mean "and yep that's it that's the extent of the mechanic now have fun gamesolving"

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that's the last i'm saying on the subject. roomclaiming, taskclaiming, and locationclaiming is dumb. i'm not doing it d1. maybe later depending on what mechanics reveal themselves.

until then...

why yes i think it's a great idea to send [insert people here] to [insert room here] in order to [insert reason here]

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imagine this: scum have an ability to move someone out of a room against their will

how would we ever complete our tasks if scum could move people out of their rooms?

1. it could be x-shot
2. they can only do it on one person at a time
3. it has limited duration/effect
4. room kills/moves resolve after task completions
5. the tasks aren't meant to be completed, they're just window dressing for a standard mafia game

that was like, 10 seconds of thought applied to it. i trust you can do the same in the future

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i think we need to start eliming in the no room claim pool


we can probly hit bad guys

and if they're townies we were never going to win this game

VOTE: Reck

my tolerance for gamethrowing is gone

but wait i said i would go along with this

idiotic

plan!!

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like the counterargument to the plan of "we cant let the scum know where we are" doesnt make sense when half the player list has already claimed their locations.

"ah yes, we've already stuck one arm into the meat grinder and had it torn to bits, why stop there? let's force the other one in as well!!"

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hmmm i had townvibes from titus so these recent votes are highly suspect

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VOTE: titus

the reck endorsement all i needed

can't wait for that townflip and also full mech reveal postgame so you can eat your words and worship me like the idiot savant i am

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are you TMIing that I'm green bro

i am saying i believe titus is going to flip town but nice try

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i am saying i believe titus is going to flip town but nice try

i wouldnt be eating my words if im red

but thanks for TMIing to everyone that I'm green bro

VOTE: Reck

you'd be eating your words either way, either you're town and wrong or scum and have at least some town believing your bullshit

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i am saying i believe titus is going to flip town but nice try

i wouldnt be eating my words if im red

but thanks for TMIing to everyone that I'm green bro

VOTE: Reck

VOTE: Reck

dgb you're better than this

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Been dealing with my dad's back problems among other obligations, apologies for the tardiness.

My tardiness and lack of being able to in-depth read also might mean the following observations are completely off-base, so ignore me if I'm just being an idiot here.

Anyways, from my own observation of the gamestate, it appears we're in a low where everyone seems to be on low motivation, wagons and votes are being put down but not going anywhere. Nobody's driving a narrative or an agenda.

This says to me one of two things:

1) Scum had control of the game narrative and lost it, and no townie is picking up the slack.
2) Town had control of the game narrative and lost it, and scum are content to let town stew in that.

So I think our two suspect behaviors are either going to be former drivers of big agendas that were shaping the narrative previously or slots that are low-activity, flip-floppy or just generally taking actions that keep the game in this stagnant state.

I'll have to do a more through read-through of these last few pages to properly hone in but I think for now my pool is something like {Ali, MC, Haschel, DGB}. I'd also like to hear other thoughts because again I've been out of it and I might just be completely off the mark.

what a fantastic post

i am still on ali from early on and honestly nothing ali has done makes me wanna move my vote yet
HC has been low activity but like, idk, it's not egregioius, he doesn't strike me as a hyperposter and from a recently completed game i have with him this seems fairly consistent with his pacing/style. the "case" on haschel that he's "riding my coattails" or whatever relies on the agreement that being anti-massclaim is scummy, and i dissent on that viewpoint.
i would probably be very down to vote murdercat if a wagon were to happen there tbh
DGB i am not interested in voting for the time being

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oh hey look The Thing Is Happening

VOTE: MURDERCAT

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How does the murdercat allegations not also fit Titus perfectly?

which parts

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24h prod timer feels incredibly fast

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If flareon flips red fos reck

who the fuck is flareon

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MC calling me town is wrinkling my brain a bit

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ok considering ive been calling MC scummy from very early on, i have no idea why Ali is making a connection bt the two of us

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ok considering ive been calling MC scummy from very early on, i have no idea why Ali is making a connection bt the two of us

Because if ur scum with him I expect you to FoS him

ah i see so it's an unwinnable situation bc if i'm scum i would suspect scum and if i'm town correctly suspecting scum then it's scummy to suspect scum

got it, makes a ton of sense

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i feel like taly has completely avoided me the entire game while engaging with 99% of the playerlist and that has me confused

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i feel like taly has completely avoided me the entire game while engaging with 99% of the playerlist and that has me confused

yo, lets rectify this

1)

How much does our solve align? I recently made a readslist.

2)

I get the impression you're familiar with

Haschel

, what are your insights on that player?

3)

Thoughts on the counterwagons to

Murder

? Has your read on

Murder

changed since his readslist?

some of my townreads scumread you but i dont agree with the

you/haschel

argument that was brought up earlier in the game.

i also like a good bit of your posts but im having difficulty forming strong scumreads this D1.

What should I do about this?

i definitely feel better oriented in this game BEFORE i went VLA, but i think flips will help me most from this point aside from skimming ISOs.

1) considering I'm in your "contains scum" pool I don't have much to say about it. I disagree about Alisae. I disagree I think about Akarin, BM... honestly most of it. DGB doesn't scream scum to me. the thing we most agree on imo is OWER being town
2) i am not super familiar with haschel as a mafia player, and i believe meta is trash. all i know is the one game we played together he also sat back and sorta participated less overall, and what i know of his personal life fits with not being able to sit here and no-life the game.
3) it's intriguing but mostly i think the idea of "scum counterwagons" is probably overblown and not as common as people think it is. i dont think it's likely for that to be as coordinated. that being said, the battle mage wagon intrigues me the most. i'm not interested in pursuing blitzo today, and in fact would wager that blitzo scumreads are likely coming from at least one scum who is doing the lazy "the lurker is town" bit that scum do from time to time. i think you, haschel, and bell need to get off your vanity wagons and go for something else. ideally, tgp/pooky/battlemage would as well, but im pretty sure im asking some scum to be useful if i were to do that, so i'm not going to bother

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i am actually confused tho when did the groupthink shift from nolim to elimination

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Reck, case me your Titus read.

I don't really have a strong one. Titus defended me early which made me feel warm and fuzzy, and Titus put out an early readslist that was like, unprompted. I believe Titus was the first person to call out the "HC is scum riding Reck's coattails" thing.

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Seeing as ya'll don't like my catchup brainspew quote walls...

I'm just doing brainspew walls :3

#1781 - Why?

#1782 - Good question

#1783 - Good response.

#1786 - SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE! [Admit it, you read it in the voice] (✿◠‿◠)

#1791 - You're meant to try and do it, and not just have it happen. V●ᴥ●V

#1791 - Another precisely average post from DGB (7 words of nothing), why are we letting this slide? And why are we letting these votes slide? ɿ(｡･ɜ･)ɾⓌⓗⓨ?

#1803 - You wish. You're town for now but not IC levels of town.

#1811 - Oh ye gods actual content from DGB that's incredibly vaguely useful! ˓˓ ⍥⃝⃝ ˒˒

#1818 - ... I can't put my wall up in this catchup format. UNVOTE: BM - I strongly dislike the Titus and DGB votes here and the feeling is strong. I get called out for opportunism but these two get a pass? ¬ɿ(｡･ɜ･)ɾⓌⓗⓐⓣ？On what planet do I exist currently? ... actually ... don't answer that.

#1836 - I think people got more vocal and some people got more pissy.

#1839 - I kinda wanna give the sad flareon hugs... but I dont wanna get burned.

#1841 - Pooks throwing shade at E V E R Y O N E.

#1849 - ɿ(｡･ɜ･)ɾⓌⓗⓐⓣ？

#1854 - If you're town you shouldn't be self-voting anyway?

#1855 - (♡´艸`) Fair enough then

#1857 - Yup, wasn't overly impressed with it myself. But I like to show my thinking.

#1859 - I'm glad this is happening.

#1860 - Do... Do I need popcorn?

#1862 - It's called embracing the chaotic nature of my mind and rolling with it.

My mind I'va lost-a mah mind I'va lost. ma. mind. I've losta my mind I'VE LOST MY MIND

dammit now I need to work that song into a post somewhere... I think DBG might be a good candidate for it.


#1866 - Disagree. I think MC is still holding on hope for it.

this is useless content masquerading as useful content. nobody is going to read this, nobody's going to click each post to see what you're responding to, but it sure does LOOK like content!

[xRECKONERx]

i see this line of dialogue already happened ok

[xRECKONERx]

cakez is like, a legitimately top tier townread for me rn

[xRECKONERx]

i'm not reading 3 pages ping me if something is worth responding to

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

[xRECKONERx]

not yeeting murdercat is a travesty tho

[xRECKONERx]

i can see why people might be duped into following the plany

only, posting what you're doing just gives scum too much info sry

quote shit back at me at endgame if im super wrong and massclaim would've broken the game wide open

[xRECKONERx]

Let's make this easy for him.

I townread Cakez.
I townread Taly.
I scumread Alisae slot.
I townread Haschel.
I townread Murder. I scumread Murder.
I townread Gamma. I scumread Gamma.
I townread Blitzo. I scumread Blitzo.
I scumread Pooky.
I townread Titus.
I townread Flea.
I scumread Battle.
I townread OWER.
I townread Bell. I scumread Bell.
I townread DGB. I scumread DGB.

[xRECKONERx]

h ww, rdng tht bck, shld kp ths shrt nd swt.

[xRECKONERx]

Reck has one that's even worse he can only post quotes and votes

Let's make this easy for him.

I townread Cakez. I scumread Cakez.
I townread Taly. I scumread Taly.
I townread Alisae slot. I scumread Alisae slot.
I townread Haschel. I scumread Haschel.
I townread Murder. I scumread Murder.
I townread Gamma. I scumread Gamma.
I townread Blitzo. I scumread Blitzo.
I townread Pooky. I scumread Pooky.
I townread Titus. I scumread Titus.
I townread Flea. I scumread Flea.
I townread Battle. I scumread Battle.
I townread OWER. I scumread OWER.
I townread Bell. I scumread Bell.
I townread DGB. I scumread DGB.

Flea, what is your post restriction? Htsgrosegkpa I can't read your posts at the moment.

oh I forgot TGP, lmao.

I townread TGP. I scumread TGP.

titus

, where are your reads at right now?

p-edit

I AM WORRIED TALY IS SCUM WITH TITUS FOR HOW END OF DAY WENT

JUST SAYING

ehhhh i wouldnt have wasted time waffling so much, i didnt need to vote

titus

to distance.

Reck I suggest you utilize these.

Let's make this easy for him.

I townread Cakez.
I townread Taly.
I scumread Alisae slot.
I townread Haschel.
I townread Murder. I scumread Murder.
I townread Gamma. I scumread Gamma.
I townread Blitzo. I scumread Blitzo.
I scumread Pooky.
I townread Titus.
I townread Flea.
I scumread Battle.
I townread OWER.
I townread Bell. I scumread Bell.
I townread DGB. I scumread DGB.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[xRECKONERx]

Mr. William "Will" Reckoner; why Steve?

oh, not eliminating anyone to give us time to do tasks is pretty smart actually? i think?

How’d you know that came up?

And yeah why the fuck are you okay with the no elim but not the plan portion?
VOTE: Reckoner
TGP you had a point about looking at who supported what.

Also reminding people Reck scumslipped in a post

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: reckoner
Nah, not letting you act like you’re willing to play ball and then try to run away with it when you realize you have to play fair

at what point, in any world, did i give you the indication i'm going along with this asinine plan

was it when i talked about alisae being the pied piper leading people off the cliff?
or was it when i stated multiple times i'm not claiming today

oh, not eliminating anyone to give us time to do tasks is pretty smart actually? i think?

How’d you know that came up?

And yeah why the fuck are you okay with the no elim but not the plan portion?
VOTE: Reckoner
TGP you had a point about looking at who supported what.

i see you're quoting your previous post asking me a question which i've already responded to in order to feign some "growth" in read on me, very nice job gamma emerald, it almost seems authentic and human!

i'm okay with the no elim because the reason you usually DON'T NoLim is bc the only mechanism town has to achieve victory is via eliminating scum.
this game is different. there's no imperative to eliminate scum. there's just an imperative to eventually get all tasks done. that's why limming isn't necessarily

maybe I should just leave Titus on the backburner tbh.
Early Game Titus is way harder to read then Late Game Titus

good post

Spoiler:

@Reck

- who feels like scum who is going along with/wants the massclaim plan

i'm about to head into a flurry of meetings so quoting this as something i want to respond to and not breeze past when i'm out

right so, i think titus is town. yes that's partially bc they defended me lightly. i am v susceptible to that. i also think GE is town just misguided.
flea's contributions and setup spec come from a similar place where mine does, so i think flea is probably town too?

these are all very early reads that will evolve

that would leave the scum on the "massclaim" wagon being somewhere among like... alisae, battlemage, murdercat, pooky, cakez, tgp? not all of them obvs but at least one IMO.

of those im probably the most sus of murdercat rn. the way they were like "lol we're giving scum too much info but eyyy it's ok" really rubbed me the wrong way. like if you're town and think this plan is bad, why are you passively agreeing to it/going along with it/not stopping it?

cakez is #2 for me bc of the way they're playing around the idea... like, cakez is on board and agreeing with the massclaim plan, but then simultaneously like, attacking gamma emerald for voting me for NOT going along with the plan. it looks like cakez could just be trying to stir shit up to make sure as many people as possible look sus but i don't think it's internally consistent logically.

akarin is actually pinging me as slightly scummy? i can't put my finger on it, so call it gut for now, but something ab the way she's contributing to the discussion seems very much like LAMIST and not actual mechsolving or scumhunting.

bell is also sitting in the scummy column for me rn. i read bell's posts about setup spec/mechs as someone who has extra info but is pretending they don't. i wish i could exactly explain it. just... the attitude/tone of the posts. it raised my eyebrow and hey it's something.

idk what dgb is doing. or taly.

outworlder came in and like, has v interesting interactions with cakez and murdercat and akarin, all of whom ping me as scum as well. so im either deep in the pocket of scum mindset or outworlder is coming at it from the same place i am (ie town)

somehow this response post became a wall of reads but gun to my head it's like

TOWN

titus, gammaem, flea, outworlder*

AT LEAST ONE SCUM

alisae, battlemage, murdercat, pooky, cakez, tgp

SOME BIG NULL PILE SOMEWHERE

dgb, taly, blitzo, haschel

SCUMMY OUTSIDE OF MASSCLAIM BULLSHIT

murdercat, akarin, bell

so basically like over half the game is in my uh oh pile right now and i need to work on getting it down

quick q: do you think scum are more likely to actively develop the plan or follow it
also you have 2 murdercat instances in the reads, was that intended

it wasn't intended by murdercat is both someone i find independently scummy and someone who would be in the first group

i think scum could do either. i think mechsolving is a good way to try to look helpful d1 in a mech heavy game like this

[xRECKONERx]

i dont know about others, but if Taly is scum here, I'm fine losing to him. not often you see folk genuinely solving like that. thumbs up!

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah.... Murdercat is town.

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: Bell

rereading, sheeping titus's case on him plus he fits with the things I find murder scummy for. i can compromise on this.

VOTE: BELL

[xRECKONERx]

i think we should kill reck

he clearly doesnt want us to have a plan for tonight by attempting quickhammer,

he opposes planning out room movements.

even when its obvious as hell that room planning worked by limiting the scum NK he still sticks to his ridiculous assertion that room planning is a bad idea.

like how many anti-town actions does this guy have to do before we send him out an airlock?

VOTE: Reck

btw we still need to plan out room movements so every1 post where you need to go to complete your tasks and i will try to organize it into groups of 3.

just in the next day or two and i will spreadsheet shit out.

exodia zero imbalance.

this post restriction is just dumb and I doubt shea even checks he's literally just inflicting suffering for no reason.

VOTE: Bell

rereading, sheeping titus's case on him plus he fits with the things I find murder scummy for. i can compromise on this.

VOTE: BELL

WOW THATS BAD

CAN WE CHILL OUT, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A PLAN FOR TONIGHT

[xRECKONERx]

oh yeah

i have no task after this

, so i'm heading to cafeteria again, both to leash anybody there, as well as in case I fail my task today.

VOTE: Reck I can get on board with this.

[xRECKONERx]

i think Bell takes Akarin's task, Reck gets limmed, is fine plan for today, da?

toe be cleare, it'se note ae goode faithe waye toe followe ite when used thise waye ine thise context. Ie wonder ife Ie shoulde be givinge ye scume pointes fore thate, bute Nahe ye asked whiche ise the responsible thinge toe do

e

.

:(e

[xRECKONERx]

It's frustrating because I feel like people's eyes started glazing over at the mech talk and they just shut their brains down and stopped thinking about it.

or, hear me out,

the plan is very stupid

[xRECKONERx]

huh

why not

bell

lim while

reck

gets the task since he has no others?

also, does

reck

even want the task?

Reck's Dialogue Tree

Yes.

No.
Maybe.
I bite my thumb at Taly.

I bite my thumb at OWER.
I bite my numb at Pooky.

I bite my thumb at Bell.

[xRECKONERx]

huh

why not

bell

lim while

reck

gets the task since he has no others?

also, does

reck

even want the task?

because

reck just tried to

quickhammer Bell

that makes me sus bell elim, i still think he's good chance being scum, which is why i want him to have the task. bell taking task also leashes him to me cafeteria.

VoteCount 1.0

Not Voting [17]

Murdercat, Blitzo, xRECKONERx, thegoldenparadox, Flea The Magician, Haschel Cedricson, DrippingGoofBall, Battle Mage, gamma emerald, alisae, titus, OutWorldER, Taly, SirCakez, Akarin, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

With 17 alive it takes 9

vote

s to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

[xRECKONERx]

huh

why not

bell

lim while

reck

gets the task since he has no others?

also, does

reck

even want the task?

because reck just tried to

quickhammer Bell

that makes me

sus

bell elim, i still think he's good chance being scum, which is why i want him to have the task. bell taking task also leashes him to me cafeteria.

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: Bell

rereading,

sheeping

titus's case on him plus he fits with the things I find murder scummy for. i can compromise on this.

huh

why not

bell

lim while

reck

gets the task since he has no others?

also, does

reck

even want the task?

Reck's Dialogue Tree

Yes.
No.
Maybe.
I bite my thumb at Taly.
I bite my thumb at

OWER

.
I bite my numb at Pooky.
I bite my thumb at Bell.

[xRECKONERx]

huh

why not

bell

lim while

reck

gets the task since he has no others?

also, does

reck

even

want

the

task

?

Reck's Dialogue Tree

Yes.
No.
Maybe.
I bite my thumb at Taly.
I bite my thumb at OWER.
I bite my numb at Pooky.
I bite my thumb at Bell.

[xRECKONERx]

Taly, serious question - does your PR say you have to blue up quotes as well?

Not specifically, but it's easier to just blue everything so I don't miss something

Reck

I knew that

my vote wasn't a hammer on Bell

.

I thought

I hammered

Bell

.

[xRECKONERx]

Someone remind me where Reck was last night

I still think Titus is a scum designated ML

Also thinking about it I could see how Alisae's play progressed as scum here. Putting together the entire timeline, e started off strong but lost focus and ended up not having control of the town, and it went downhill from there. But the thing is, e was working with us in Admin to shore up a read list, and I don't see why e puts in that effort just to throw it all away after fucking up eir PR. I would expect e'd either just not give a care about forming those reads, or stick to the game. It seems like the rep-out was driven by exasperation and frustration at bungling everything, which is such a weird and crazy thing for scum to do.
So overall, my townread there isn't as strong but it's still there.

hmm I like this reasoning
I don't see why scum couldn't be frustrated with bungling things?

btw I also think Reck is solid town. the way he showed up in reactor didn't seem scum motivated but like a town gambit that went awry

[xRECKONERx]

A task has been claimed

[xRECKONERx]

...

We've just established that imposters can lock doors. Why are we telling them where people are planning to go again?

So other people can know where others are when the doors are locked?

This isn't rocket science.

HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT WHO IS TAKING THE TASK?
SORRY IF I MISSED THAT

I think Reck takes, we lim Bell.

[xRECKONERx]

@Bell, if you're town, you should take the task. Objectively, everyone has tasks to do. There's no harm in recycling A's task. If you're scum, it auto completes.

the task was already taken though

Who took the task?

Reck

claimed he

did

, although we don't know for sure of course.

prods all round? no hint of scum counter-wagonning to Bell by the looks of it.

[xRECKONERx]

VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

[xRECKONERx]

ok...
Reck why the sudden move to Haschel? if you can find a way to somehow indicate an explanation

@Bell, if you're town, you should take the task. Objectively, everyone has tasks to do. There's no harm in recycling A's task. If you're scum, it auto completes.

the task

was already taken though

[xRECKONERx]

ok...
Reck why the sudden move to Haschel? if you can find a way to somehow indicate an explanation

@Bell, if you're town, you should take the task. Objectively, everyone has tasks to do. There's no harm in recycling A's task. If you're scum, it auto completes.

the task

was already taken though

why would the task make you switch to HC?

@Bell, if you're town, you should take the task. Objectively, everyone has tasks to do. There's no harm in recycling A's task. If you're scum, it auto completes.

the task

was already taken though

i believe Titus could be town, pushing a mislim on Bell-town here. Which means maybe we're just on the wrong track.

Although I'm sympathetic to the idea we need to lim SOMEBODY, I also think a lazy mis-elim after 124 pages is dumb.

Where's the doubt coming from? The fact that

Titus'

argument could or is flawed, or that the gamestate doesn't make sense for town to lim scum?

A bit from column A, and a bit from column B. In my gut, I think Bell

is

town here, so I'm gonna go with that for now.

My POV with

Bell

is that they're playing similar to an instance I know of them to be scum. I cannot elaborate, but they haven't responded much to the points onto them, their reads aren't too fleshed out, and they were quite inoffensive D1 and haven't outlined many unique opinions of the game. I don't know what their baseline is, so my reasoning in this basis is weak, but I think

Titus

knows something I don't and I trust that.

If you had to wagon 2 more people right now, who would they be? I think you voted

Blitzo

recently but I'm still not seeing much detail to your thoughts there aside from painting their posts as OMGUSy or WIFOM-based. I don't entirely disagree, but I want more thought than that.[/color]

i'll go one better and do a very short readslist

ok...
Reck why the sudden move to Haschel? if you can find a way to somehow indicate an explanation

@Bell, if you're town, you should take the task. Objectively, everyone has tasks to do. There's no harm in recycling A's task. If you're scum, it auto completes.

the task

was already taken though

why would the task make you switch to

HC

?

[xRECKONERx]

Alright. I wanna start off with an RQS this game. Questions

are

as follows:

1) what power role have you not been that you want to try out, and why? Don’t factor in your current role, answer this question assuming you are vanilla this game.
2) If you were scum, who would be your a) D1 miselim push, b) N1 kill, and c) partner you’d want to bus you and go to the end, given each person was the correct alignment for that specific action?
3) What is your skill with mechanic-heavy setups? If you’re not skilled at them, do you intend to get better with practice or rely on others?
4) What is your favorite candy?
5) What would you say is your biggest strength and biggest weakness as town/scum/in general?

My answers:
1) I kinda want to be a Motion Detector once. It seems like an interesting role wrt using well.
2) I’d probably push Blitzo, kill Titus, and have Reck bus me.
3) I am decent with them, but don’t always keep the public information in my head like I should.
4) Sour Patch Fruits are my favorite but they’re hard to find, so Mike and Ike’s are my candy of choice most of the time.
5) I am good at sounding natural, but my charisma is lacking, in general.

MechPooky:

10 rooms

4->3->3

Nelim to win? More town people = faster task completion

what happens to tasks when ppl die though? do we have to do fewer

tasks

?

i believe Titus could be town, pushing a mislim on Bell-town here. Which means maybe we're just on the wrong track.

Although I'm sympathetic to the idea we need to lim SOMEBODY, I also think a lazy mis-elim after 124 pages is dumb.

Where's the doubt coming from? The fact that

Titus'

argument could or is flawed, or that the gamestate doesn't make sense for town to lim scum?

My POV with

Bell

is that they're playing similar to an instance I know of them to be scum. I cannot elaborate, but they haven't responded much to the points onto them, their reads aren't too fleshed out, and they were quite inoffensive D1 and haven't outlined many

unique

opinions of the game. I don't know what their baseline is, so my reasoning in this basis is weak, but I think

Titus

knows something I don't and I trust that.

If you had to wagon 2 more people right now, who would they be? I think you voted

Blitzo

recently but I'm still not seeing much detail to your thoughts there aside from painting their posts as OMGUSy or WIFOM-based. I don't entirely disagree, but I want more thought than that.

[xRECKONERx]

ok good people are just spamming,

i

literally took like a 5 minute break and there were 4 pages

i'm not going to keep up with all this hyperposting nor am i going to be rereading the hyperposting that i miss, just as a heads up

i'm going to do other things now

so like, let me get this straight.

town wins if we do all tasks
scum get one standard NK and one room kill
so if we just NK then we're losing two people each cycle to scum kills anyway
if it's on average 2 tasks per player, and we

have

17 people, assuming say 4 scum, that puts us at 13 crewmates aka roughly 26 tasks to complete
i assume each person can only complete one task per cycle? so if EVERYONE got their task done immediately, we could theoretically halve the number of tasks to do after one cycle?

this feels too easy. like scum have to have a way to fuck with tasks.

wait. of course they do. they have sabotages of some kind. i bet that's the mechanic we don't know yet. sabos will force people to go certain places and spend their time fixing sabotages instead of doing tasks.

Spoiler:

@Reck

- who feels like scum who is going along with/wants the massclaim plan

i'm about to head into a flurry of meetings so quoting this as something i want to respond to and not breeze past when i'm out

right so, i think titus is town. yes that's partially bc they defended me lightly. i am v susceptible to that. i also think GE is town just misguided.
flea's contributions and setup spec come from a similar place where mine does, so i think flea is probably town too?

these are all very early reads that will evolve

that would leave the scum on the "massclaim" wagon being somewhere among like... alisae, battlemage, murdercat, pooky, cakez, tgp? not all of them obvs but at least one IMO.

of those im probably the most sus of murdercat rn. the way they were like "lol we're giving scum too much info but eyyy it's ok" really rubbed me the wrong way. like if you're town and think this plan is bad, why are you passively agreeing to it/going along with it/not stopping it?

cakez is #2 for me bc of the way they're playing around the idea... like, cakez is on board and agreeing with the massclaim plan, but then simultaneously like, attacking gamma emerald for voting me for NOT going along with the plan. it looks like cakez could just be trying to stir shit up to make sure as many people as possible look sus but i don't think it's internally consistent logically.

akarin is actually pinging me as slightly scummy? i can't put my finger on it, so call it gut for now, but something ab the way she's contributing to the discussion seems very much like LAMIST and not actual mechsolving or scumhunting.

bell is also sitting in the scummy column for me rn. i read bell's posts about setup spec/mechs as someone who has extra info but is pretending they don't. i wish i could exactly explain it. just... the attitude/tone of the posts. it raised my eyebrow and hey it's something.

idk what dgb is doing. or taly.

outworlder came in and like, has v interesting interactions with cakez and murdercat and akarin, all of whom ping me as scum as well. so im either deep in the pocket of scum mindset or outworlder is coming at it from the same place i am (ie town)

somehow this response post became a wall of reads but gun to my head it's like

TOWN

titus, gammaem, flea, outworlder*

AT LEAST ONE SCUM

alisae, battlemage, murdercat, pooky, cakez, tgp

SOME BIG NULL PILE SOMEWHERE

dgb, taly, blitzo,

haschel

SCUMMY OUTSIDE OF MASSCLAIM BULLSHIT

murdercat, akarin, bell

so basically like over half the game is in my uh oh pile right now and i need to work on getting it down

@Bell, if you're town, you should take the task. Objectively, everyone has tasks to do. There's no harm in recycling A's task. If you're scum, it auto completes.

the

task

was already taken though

[xRECKONERx]

No tasks aren't unique, OP says so

VOTE: Bell

[xRECKONERx]

I got locked out of the fucking room I needed

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah I couldn't get into cafeteria

Anyway the task I picked up is the exact same one haschel has which made me think he was faking it yesterday like maybe scum had an ability to find out what task their kill target had but then someone pointed out tasks aren't unique so

[xRECKONERx]

Were you with OWER?

no

i was with someone who actually requested i not tell anybody i was with them or where i was which honestly struck me as strange but i haven't had time to parse it yet

[xRECKONERx]

We learned yesterday that the scum (or the Impostors if we are to use the framing device the flavor of this game has) were able to lock people OUT of rooms. This was discovered when the Electrical Room was locked on Night 1. However, with our revelation today from Reck and the other people who were locked inside the cafeteria last night, we now have confirmation that the Impostors have the ability to trap people INSIDE specific rooms. This is a strong power that gives the impostors a lot of room to interfere with crewmates completing tasks, and it makes it MUCH more likely that the impostors had a vested interest in getting the town to claim how many tasks we had and in which locations those tasks were supposed to be. As such, I think looking at the people who strongarmed the bulk of the playerlist into claiming is the best place to start applying pressure today.

HMMMMMM

BIG FUCKIN BRAIN TIME

ALMOST LIKE I WAS SCREAMING NOT TO CLAIM IN CASE OF THIS EXACT SITUATION

[xRECKONERx]

Were you with OWER?

no

i was with someone who actually requested i not tell anybody i was with them or where i was which honestly struck me as strange but i haven't had time to parse it yet

altho... like unless another townie was in the room with us and literally just said nothing the whole time, i would guess this makes them pretty conftown to me since this would be a very pristine opportunity to kill me with the extra scum kill

but also yuck bc they didn't speak like at all until a couple hours before deadline all "oops lol forgot to talk also dont tell anyone im here bye"

[xRECKONERx]

Ok, Reck and HC are in a circle jerk.

The best way to stop scumkills is to announce rooms.

it's also the best way to make sure we don't get tasks done since they can sabo whatever room we're sending people to

[xRECKONERx]

i was not in admin @taly

[xRECKONERx]

yeah i'm very interested in what tgp has to say

[xRECKONERx]

i was not supposed to remain in security, and my claim was security and one other room that i had to stay in - i completed my security task, and was with reck last night in a room that i requested he not divulge because i don't want to get locked out of it tonight
reck is conftown to me

i started playing chess again today

ooooh that's why you didn't want me to reveal

yeah unless this is scum big gambiting and no killing me to earn towncred in my eyes when we were the only two in the room, then i've got tgp as pretty hardcore town in my book

[xRECKONERx]

@BM: if you're even entertaining me as scum with the way i tried to quickhammer Bell and then doubled down when people started pushing me for it then you're smoking a ton of meth

[xRECKONERx]

@BM: if you're even entertaining me as scum with the way i tried to quickhammer Bell and then doubled down when people started pushing me for it then you're smoking a ton of meth

you realise Bell flipped scum? so yes, all else being equal, I would absolutely entertain that as a pretty standard scumplay. your saving grace potentially is the fact you and TGP didn't kill each other last night.

yes, i tried to quickhammer my buddy? under no pressure? that's your theory?

[xRECKONERx]

Reck, what is your solve at the moment?

bro idfk

[xRECKONERx]

Still town to me - reck, Maestro, Taly, Pooky

weren't u freaking out ab me yesterday

[xRECKONERx]

@HC where were u last night

[xRECKONERx]

sigh

[xRECKONERx]

Reck, what is your solve at the moment?

bro idfk

i appreciate the honesty but i dont think this dissuades the people thinking that you will flip red, man.

exactly who thinks i am going to flip red

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@HC where were u last night

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reckoner how do u just straight dodge my entrance and pretend like i hadnt posted a bunch of content>?

are u gonna engage with other parts of the game or just pursue a single tunnel?

no i am not going to engage w/ u if that's what ur asking

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i have a reason i'm pursuing haschel and want to bump my question, you don't get to demand my attn

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@DGB how is battlemage the lurksack replacement slot

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VOTE: Battlemage

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I think Pooky's been setting this up. Assuming Reck is green (I think he is at this point), I think, after the no-elim ploy failed, Pooky wanted to flip Reck, use the misflip to be like "oops, guess HC is also town", then use that to coast by with his buddies for the remainder. I think he's setup so if that he or Hasch goes down the other has the position to be TR'd due to Pooky pushing Haschel early (but not actually voting him) combined with Haschel being against Pooky's position early.

i don't think pooky as scum thinks this far ahead tbh

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Speaking of which, Star Wars 4-6 and Legacy canon > literally all other Star Wars material.
Tho I will say lightsaber duels really leveled up in the prequels in terms of choreography.
Phantom Menace's Duel of the Fates remains the best music in all of Star Wars history. (Even the Imperial March places second.)
That said, I feel like the best lightsaber duel for choreography would be somewhere between the flashiness of the prequels and the "dull old men fighting" of the original trilogy. If lightsaber fights were treated like actual fencing duels (so no turning backs on opponents, no spinning, no twirling the blade unnecessarily, no summersaults, no backflips, traits of the prequel fights), but at the actual speed of a fencing duel (no swinging once a minute, locking blades for 20 seconds, backing off, and swinging again 20 seconds later, traits of the original trilogy fights), I feel like that would be the best. I get there's justifications for being fancy both in-universe (powers!) and out-of-universe (it looks cooler and is more cinematic), but it'd be dope to see a fight with speed, yet precision, accuracy, and attention to realism and real-life techniques.

But then again, my sister is a fencer (the style of fencing where they treat it as if it were real swords, too, i.e., "If you're slashed on the arm, it's lethal; if you're stabbed in the chest, it doesn't matter if you stabbed your opponent in the chest one second sooner, you're still both death so you still both lose", rather than the Olympic style of fencing that is "Take advantage of it not being real swords and connecting with your opponent so much as one millisecond sooner means you win"). She's an influence on me.

I also like kenjustsu-style martial arts.

why the fuck are you posting this

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start a blog

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I think Pooky's been setting this up. Assuming Reck is green (I think he is at this point), I think, after the no-elim ploy failed, Pooky wanted to flip Reck, use the misflip to be like "oops, guess HC is also town", then use that to coast by with his buddies for the remainder. I think he's setup so if that he or Hasch goes down the other has the position to be TR'd due to Pooky pushing Haschel early (but not actually voting him) combined with Haschel being against Pooky's position early.

i don't think pooky as scum thinks this far ahead tbh

i in general think that people crafting exotic and wild conspiracy theories of scum plotting 4D chess moves 6 days ahead of time are just like, more likely to be bullshit than not

i find it more likely scum play reactive than proactive, like, way more likely. so any theory of someone being scum that relies on someone planning out multiple days of events ahead of time is just... farfetched to me.

doesn't mean pooky isn't scum, just means i don't buy that pooky had this grand plan to clear haschel by flipping me as town

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*Quote here*

see, the part where I disagree is that I don't think anything I described had to be planned out too far ahead. I think that could definitely be D1 thing that they ran with into later days. natural progression off each other's play.

I also definitely don't think that something like this could be called 4d chess, to me I'd call that simple scum strategy.

but then again my only scum-game on this site was with Flavor Leaf who does play somewhat proactive so maybe I'm biased when I'm thinking about scum want to do.

either way I think Pooky's play is just way too reminiscent to Stuff I'm Listening To regardless.

i mean that's fair and your experiences are valid

*shrug*

i just think in my like 11-12 years on the site, i've seen scum think that far ahead like... once? twice?

i think instead i've seen 98% of all games be "scum go for the most viable, safest option"

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CHRISTMAS etc

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i have yet to hear an actual case on haschel despite repeated asks and i'm not sure i fully understand anyone's reason for the wagon?

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@koba why do you think it's taly exactly? sorry if you've explained this before.

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i'm very wary of matinsa reading me as town i don't know how she got to that and it feels unnatural and inorganic

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what is happeniung

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ok i finally parsed that without the fucked up quote tags

let's roll

VOTE: flea

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Look at this point I'll hammer anybody at L-1 because this day huffs nards and I'm at the point of just dreading checking the game thread

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Why was GE killed hmmmm

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yo we're 24 hours out from deadline

vote Pooky, please. I think literally every active player at the moment has expressed SR on Pooky, he shouldn't have only one vote. Flea/Hasch are bad elims.

bro what the fuck

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VOTE: BUTTZO

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Who did outworld claim they roleblocked in PT btw?

i... wish i could tell you but i just realized we lose access to PTs when day begins. huh.

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Who did outworld claim they roleblocked in PT btw?

i... wish i could tell you but i just realized we lose access to PTs when day begins. huh.

How did you not notice this before? It’s sort of like the day phase is someone pushes the emergency button or reports a body? It’s been 4 night phases.

bc ive literally never gone back to look at a previous pt

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VOTE: NO LIM

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Cakez/Reck, woops.

*Pooky/me/Reck/SirCakez as rb target possibilities.

I don't think OutworldER roleblocked Reck--why would OutworldER roleblock the player he was in a PT with? (From what I gather, OutworldER was with Reck last night? Was there anyone else there with them?)

So Pooky/me/SirCakez most likely. And given the most suspicious, it'd be Pooky/me probably.

If OutWorldER blocked Pooky, then Pooky would be clear and I'd be pretty damn sure the scum was MURDERCAT.

So given the chance Pooky might be cleared, I feel like I should do this:
VOTE: MURDERCAT

CRIMINAL PUSSY was with me in cafeteria and can probably clear up what OWER was planning to do with the RB

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OOOOH yes it was TILLYTALLY with me last night

I shall say that TILLYTALLY was my chosen nickname prior to the replacement and was on the approved list so TILLYTALLY it shall be today

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OOOOH yes it was TILLYTALLY with me last night

I shall say that TILLYTALLY was my chosen nickname prior to the replacement and was on the approved list so TILLYTALLY it shall be today

Didn't you complete this task yesterday by voting Buttzo?

it requires two days of doing it

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reck "forgetting" feels scummy. Like an outted target sounds like something one would remember, no? im gonna go recheck my trustfalls and see who would be last scum here tho.

or, hear me out, it was a random thing mentioned like 4 days ago or whatever and i only checked the thread once, late at night, and didn't commit it to memory

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If we have everyone who has finished tasks in one room and just three people in another room, there's likely someone who can get the useful information to know what room the saboteur is in.

How would that work?

Well, the roles seem to be based on, at least in part, the mechanics of Among Us, and there's at least one map where you can see movement between the areas of the ship. This seems like it would be a useful investigative role for the town.

meaning what, Comms? idt comms would work that way in this game, would be too powerful

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Fuck it, I'll just claim.

I'm town motion detector. I can tell if someone in my room has taken an action that affected another room.

Therefore, we should assign people to two rooms tonight. When you get to the room, you announce, doesn't matter who you are, if anyone assigned to a specific room does not announce, the rest of the people in that room say it and we eliminate.

If I live through the night and everyone announced, I will reveal if anyone from my room affected the other room. Depending on where the death is, then, we have a solve.

There's also no way we, as town, only have two PRs, so, other people will need to use their Roles to help out in this case.

So, let's get some rooms assigned.

dope

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VOTE: NO ELIM

happy birthday to me

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Get dunked on nerds

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wooooooo go team

Not gonna lie, going from X-1 to eliminating Flea felt so fucking good.

That was such an Ace Attorney moment

Anyway I am so glad I got killed when I did because I was about to blow up Reck’s spot out-of-turn

oh wow look you would've been wrong ab me shocking

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So 2/4 of the imposters can hard stop town from finishing tasks.

Only if town does something bonkers, like, say, hard claiming all rooms day 1.

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So 2/4 of the imposters can hard stop town from finishing tasks.

Only if town does something bonkers, like, say, hard claiming all rooms day 1.

well thats the expected town play most times, did you not balance with that in mind

I just straight up disagree and so do all of my reviewers (and several players in this game.)

Mass claiming D1 is almost always a bad idea in a closed setup.

this is correct and anyone that assumes otherwise is wrong

arguing "well you should've balanced knowing there'd be massclaim" is basically whining "the mod didn't balance the game to let us do dumb shit to try to break the game"
shit like this is literally the reason mods have anti-claim balance built into the design

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not every setup has anti claim balance.

if they don't, they should, and it's the hallmark of a bad mod or a poorly reviewed setup

"why doesn't town just claim d1 and win" should literally 100% of the time be successfully answered with "bc the mod didn't design a stupid broken setup" and anytime the answer is not "bc the mod didn't design a stupid broken setup" the mod did a piss poor fucking job

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already explained but town sees: mafia can get extra kills if alone with another town

town reacts: oh fuck we need to claim what room we're going to so scum can't do this for free

or town could use their very powerful brains to assume scum have been balanced to *actually utilize the core mechanic of the game*

you know, i made this exact argument like, first thing this game
it wasn't very hard
i didn't have to overclock the old noggin to get it done
i just applied the tiniest amount of critical thinking

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Also Reck why is meta trash?

because the second meta becomes valid it becomes invalid