Among Us Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Titus]

*sees the RQS*

*puts a down payment on a condo in dead chat*

[Titus]

should we all claim task number? i see no reason not to

I have 2

I have one.
I plan on doing mine asap so I can pick up one of the other tasks and then do it.

[Titus]

idk about y'all but both my tasks require specific posts so i think we should try to restrict postcount in later days and focus on thought-out, task checked walls

*looks at condo prices in dead thread*

I'll let you stay with me.

[Titus]

every1 claim what rooms you need for your tasks

i will excel it and figure out optimal pathing

alisae will probly do it faster and better

electricity room?

wait you really only have 1 room to go to?

Same and it happens to be the same room.

So it looks like BM and I are sharing a room for the night.

[Titus]

I feel pretty relaxed with Pooky in charge - he knows how to do this game.

Wait you relaxed with someone else in charge?

[Titus]

every1 claim what rooms you need for your tasks

i will excel it and figure out optimal pathing

alisae will probly do it faster and better

electricity room?

wait you really only have 1 room to go to?

Same and it happens to be the same room.

So it looks like BM and I are sharing a room for the night.

goshdarn Titus, are you going to kill me?

Nope but given tasks can repeat, we may have the same task (if you're town). If not, you can't use your bonus kill on me. So I'm uneasily ok with staying with you.

[Titus]

I wanna not do the RQS because I'm feeling grumpy and was gonna complain about it, but I like surveys

1)PR I want: Loyal Vig
2a)Scum miselim: Gamma
2b)Scum NK: Titus
2c)Scum buddy to be bussed by:

Taly

3)Mech-skill: decent but no one will listen to me
4)Candy: Maple candy, the kind that's just maple sugar that dissolves in your mouth, not the hard or artificial flavored stuff.
5a)Biggest strength: Townreading miselim-bait after initially scumreading them.
5b)Biggest Weakness: I'm too towny and care too much.

I wanna do some RQS as well.

Green?

My real estate agent called. They said even less of a down payment is needed for my condo.

[Titus]

I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.

[Titus]

I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.

Cool ur with me

Ok great. Then Battle Mage can come too. I won't feel so awkward having someone I know there with me.

[Titus]

She fake claimed Babysitter as a scum role checker and she pretty much never went where she said she was going to go, lol.

Role spec until I see an angle to solve, though I'm doing it anyway because that's where I get my fun.

To be fair, I never really said I would go anywhere for the most part. You guys left me to my own devices, even when I pleaded to get vigged.

So yeah, I promise I'm not a babysitter. Those children have to watch themselves.

[Titus]

I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.

Cool ur with me

Ok great. Then Battle Mage can come too. I won't feel so awkward having someone I know there with me.

pfft, now i dont wanna come

You have a job to do.

[Titus]

nobody who is against the noelim plan can actually provide an argument for it being bad

I haven't made up my mind yet.

[Titus]

OMG! I just realized we're playing Clue: The Movie mafia!

[Titus]

1) and 3) Your essentially giving scum the ability to warlock the game without ever having to put themselves in danger.

Consider the following:
Scum gets everyones task claims and where they're going, they formulate fake task claims so they can hood themselves with people they're pocketing and who can drive the game forward. They then start letting said pockets drive the overall game narrative while they coast by.
You might call that far-fetched but experienced scum could pull it off easily.

I'd also point out that the style of leashing is incredibly inefficient for town because it does not help Town solve at all. We're better off leashing specific people who are highly SR'd. Leash high SR'd people to TR'd people and we get much better information.

If that happens then we can go back and re-read from D1 and figure out why did the events that happen happen and who is likely scum. I feel like this is rather easy to sniff out on a re-read.

2) Pushing No Elim and trying to push an alternate wincon victory, immediately, in a closed setup with no knowledge of scum utility. I don't know how you expect me to see that as anything BUT trying to discourage town from scum-hunting and get town to misuse D1.

I'm also going to respond to TGP and Alisae simulatenousy:

No. I'm not ignoring the mechanics of the game or the alternate win condition. I think the hoods will probably be pretty valuable to us if they're used right, and once we close the deficet of information with scum we can use the Task mechanic to push scum into bad plays or put them in an unwinnable scenario.

I just do not think it is a good idea to immediately make a plan based around our alternate win-con from the get-go, on D1, when we have the least information.

I think you're probably town.

Wait? You expect a reread? I don't even really read once. At least not this game.

[Titus]

I want my shiny VCA and you people aren't helping.

[Titus]

VoteCount 1.11

murdercat [1]

PookyTheMagicalBear

akarin [1]

flea the magician

blitzo [1]

drippinggoofball

Flea the magician [1]

Haschel Cedricson

Alisae [1]

xRECKONERx

thegoldenparadox [1]

akarin

Gamma Emerald [1]

TheGoldenParadox

Sircakez [1]

murdercat

No Elim [1]

sircakez

pookythemagicalbear[1]

OutWorldER

Not Voting [7]

Blitzo, gamma emerald, alisae, titus, Bell Battle mage taly

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

This VC is almost perfect though. If we had one more wagon at 1 that would be 1 voter on 11 wagons. 1.11.

[Titus]

My brain hurts. I have zero idea on how to approach this day play without wagons. My data is my crutch.

I kinda like Taly though.

[Titus]

If we go the no elimination route, BM, Gamma and I should take the task of whomever dies. We can split up the tasks so that we can complete them tomorrow night.

[Titus]

VOTE: no elimination

[Titus]

If I get mislimmed day one, there's little I can do. I have accepted that with this game state. I have an easy task if I slowly post day 2.

That being said, I do feel my wagon is scum driven though. Consensus is gathering around no elimination but yet people vote me for actually voting for it.

Here are my actual weak reads though.

HC is scum riding off town Reck's coattails to disrupt the game.

BM is scum for waiting on a consensus before voting me. His position on me is just hot garbage in his ISO. He appeared fine when it was just me and him going to electrical but sad when Ali was added to the mix. That would have three in electrical. Removing me makes two in electrical.

Taly and Flea are town because of their metas.

Pooky and Alisae are town.

Cakez is town.

[Titus]

yo Alisae - let's go electrical first!

just electrical

tbh if Battle Mage kills me in electrical
I'm happy with that

don't worry, you can trust me

should we all claim task number? i see no reason not to

I have 2

I have one.
I plan on doing mine asap so I can pick up one of the other tasks and then do it.

I like your style Titus. I was planning on doing mine, and then kicking back on Night 2

every1 claim what rooms you need for your tasks

i will excel it and figure out optimal pathing

alisae will probly do it faster and better

electricity room?

wait you really only have 1 room to go to?

Same and it happens to be the same room.

So it looks like BM and I are sharing a room for the night.

goshdarn Titus, are you going to kill me?

I need to be in the same room 2 nights in a row.

This might throw a wrench in the claim plan.

Battle Mage can go to the room ur in then.

hmm or we send Titus?

Battle Mage has 1 task so it should be fine.
I can also go w/ Battle Mage so you feel safer, I have a 2nd task but I don't mind it if it would make you feel safer

I'm not planning to go anywhere without 3/4 people minimum.

this will be a strange mafia game where no scumhunting is required

I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.

Cool ur with me

Ok great. Then Battle Mage can come too. I won't feel so awkward having someone I know there with me.

pfft, now i dont wanna come

[Titus]

I really don't think 254 comes from town. 190 is stretching it. BM wants to be in electrical, yet is ok sending me anywhere but electrical knowing my task requires me to go to electrical.

In 145 and 153 BM is joking with me and he goes from that to trying to execute me.

[Titus]

Combining 254 and 190 and his push on me, it suggests BM's true motivation. Get just him and Alisae alone in electrical or force her off task.

[Titus]

BM is the only read I have there. In a traditional mafia game, I would agree with your vote OutWorldER. Here no elimination is the best strategy though.

Tomorrow we can force him to pick up a task or get eliminated since he shouldn't have anymore to do after electrical. If we're right, then the task autocompletes. If we're wrong, he can still do the task. I can take the other task if I am not dead.

[Titus]

Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

I find Bell's take on me interesting. It's more NAI but suggests a genuine fear of me. If he's town, he knows I can pull some pretty outrageous shit and would fear me. If he's scum, he knows he needs to shade me out of the gate due to my late game prowess if given space.

Starting a train on me serves both purposes.

I don't really have an alignment read on Bell for that reason.

[Titus]

I'm still in vehement disagreement of No Elim being good here, especially considering recent events.

At the very least, I'd like to flip somebody with hard stances on it, flip Me/Reck or Pooky/Ali. Then use the alignment to determine who's right.

This thinking is a fallacy. It supposes all town think correctly and all scum push incorrectly. It also supposes one correct path. The correct path is to force scum into claiming tasks or get eliminated. This puts us closer towards winning regardless of who is right. Right now, there are no tasks to claim.

[Titus]

@Cakez, He would be going for a wagon to sort me. Not eliminate me. Then I looked at his ISO and I don't see much there. Then I know my prewagon ISO and I am back to meh.

[Titus]

Does this have to be done with No Elim though? That's a question that hasn't been answered. I don't see why this strategy has to have No Elim to work. If anything, having more public tasks lets us put more pressure on suspected scum.

For today, yes. In future days, no. Too many public tasks means we can't complete and do them all.

If we can get through D1 with only two public tasks, then I can take one and we can force a scumread to take the other. As long as I don't fuck up, this is a great plan.

Then after night two, at least some people can pick up the slack.

[Titus]

Does this have to be done with No Elim though? That's a question that hasn't been answered. I don't see why this strategy has to have No Elim to work. If anything, having more public tasks lets us put more pressure on suspected scum.

For today, yes. In future days, no. Too many public tasks means we can't complete and do them all.

If we can get through D1 with only two public tasks, then I can take one and we can force a scumread to take the other. As long as I don't fuck up, this is a great plan.

Then after night two, at least some people can pick up the slack.

At most, there will be 6 public tasks, assuming a miselim today, and two NK's, and all 3 lims had 2 tasks.

There is no limit on how many tasks can be taken per day that I can see. Nor a limit on how many tasks a single townie can claim.

So I'd think it'd be pretty hard to get overwhelmed with tasks, especially if we can shove them onto scum or onto a townie who has multiple tasks in the same area.

Shoving tasks is great, but we need a chance to actually complete them. Having six or so tasks means we need to get tasks onto five different people. That's too many.

[Titus]

HC is scum riding off town Reck's coattails to disrupt the game.

this is an extremely spicy take considering until you posted this i had forgotten HC was even in the game, what is HC doing that is "disruptive"

Sheeping your no claim position.

[Titus]

Also reminding people Reck scumslipped in a post

Point this out to me.

Also Reck is the only person talking any sense right now; I too have already decided which room I'm going to tonight. I'll let you know where it is tomorrow.

this? this one post is what qualifies as "riding my coattails" and "disrupting the game"???

Yup. He's putting interest and motivating you to push garbage to try and stop town from coordinating. That's disruptive and riding your thoughts.

[Titus]

You people post a lot when I am at work.

[Titus]

Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

why
tbh Titus' reads seem sensible

BM is playing to town meta

I think this is legitimately wrong

What distinguishes the two?

@SirCakez this is to you as well.

[Titus]

BM is lurk fuck as scum and actually plays as town

Can his lurksackness be attributed to real life?

@Gamma, What do you mean by chaotic versus not chaotic?

[Titus]

Everyone agrees this is bad though right? We need to at least let the people who want to group, group.

If it's like 5 people trying to group it's not much different than random is the point.

And no, I'm not sure everyone agrees this is bad. A lot of people keep saying things that make me think they

don't

actually agree this is bad.

Random means we don't accomplish tasks.

I'm not doing random. Period.

[Titus]

SIGH

I wasn't at any point suggesting going to random rooms.

The assumption of random is that everyone just doing one of their tasks amounts to random rooms, assuming roughly equal distribution of tasks among the rooms.

Except it doesn't. For instance, Alisae has two tasks. One takes her to electrical the other to another room. By actively selecting electrical, we force a room of three (assuming BM lives).

That's a strong reason for BM to live. He has to try and complete his one task and can have another passed off to him from the dead corpse. It's a win-win situation regardless of BM's alignment.

[Titus]

Are you just deliberately trying to muddy the water here Titus?

No. I just literally don't understand why you're saying random rooms at all.

[Titus]

Are you just deliberately trying to muddy the water here Titus?

No. I just literally don't understand why you're saying random rooms at all.

I'm arguing in favor of at least partial claiming and saying that half the players haven't thought this through and have unrealistic expectations.

Random rooms = everyone refuses to claim and "just does our tasks"

Ahh ok. Sorry.

[Titus]

EBWOP

Okay, so using the magic of random.org, I did a night where everyone goes to a random room:
Assume 4 Imposters, everyone goes to a random room (Imposters can do better than this)

• Cafeteria: Crew #4
• Weapons: Crew #11, Imposter #4
• Navigation: Crew #6, Crew #12, Imposter #1, Imposter #3
• Shields: Crew #1, Crew #13
• Communications: Crew #3, Crew #7
• Admin: Crew #8
• Electrical: Crew #5, Crew #9
• Security:
• Reactor: Crew #2
• Upper Engine: Crew #10, Imposter #2

---

Say Crew #10 dies as a bonus kill to Imposter #2, and they use their normal kill on Crew #11.

Imposter #2 and Imposter #4 clear each other. Imposters #1 and #3 are cleared by a big group of town.
Crew #4, #8, #2 are suspicious.

Or if they really wanted to NK crew #9, for example, then Crew #5 has no one to vouch for them either, while

one of the Imposters is cleared by town and only 1 is left in a pool of suspicion with 4 townies.

This doesn't work as scum only get one edible kill per night so Imposter 2 and 4 cannot clear each other. They'd both have to be in solo rooms to do that.

[Titus]

It's a win-win situation regardless of BM's alignment.

Not if he's scum????

It is.

We force him to take a task. It auto completes. If he refuses, we kill him.

The task lets us also control what room he goes to. So he's a liability to scum.

[Titus]

So sad that Taly rolled scum.

Why did she roll scum?

[Titus]

So sad that Taly rolled scum.

Why did she roll scum?

I believe the roles are srandomly distributed. Luck of the draw.

Why do you think she rolled scum?

*exasperated tone*

[Titus]

blitzo is just scum
i will case this later

Tgp is likely town
Won't case this later as it's based off this post

[Titus]

Can we move on to no elimination and compliance? I am bored and this feels like an RVS that will last forever.

[Titus]

Can we move on to no elimination and compliance? I am bored and this feels like an RVS that will last forever.

This is an attitude I see both you and BM spouting and it's just like:

People have solid reads, wagons are being started, people are pushing.

Were also only 3 days into deadline.

How the fuck does this possibly feel like RVS? Why are you so quick to end the day; even if your going with Pooky's plan, there's still a lack of claims so ending the day early with a No Elim vote would be awful?

No one can die. No one should die. Therefore, these votes are meaningless.

We just have me take a task and force BM to take a task after ensuring no one dies. Provided I don't fuck up tomorrow, it leaves us in a great position.

That's the proper play IMO. I have said it a million times.

[Titus]

Yeah but if we can't convince at least a majority of the town then it doesn't amount to anything.

I think most of the town is on board. We're just dealing with a vocal minority, thanks to Reck. I think even those voting are on board with the grouping plan.

My action is already decided. Aside from watching, I don't see anything protown to do.

[Titus]

VOTE: DippingGoofball

I want to start here. Undeveloped thoughts from this slot.

This is OMGUS.

[Titus]

I want Titus to explain her meta takes and evaluate their strength openly. I think her frustration to DGB is sincere and I want to lean in on the way she approaches this plist read wise.

What in particular?

[Titus]

VOTE: DippingGoofball

I want to start here. Undeveloped thoughts from this slot.

This is OMGUS.

Still more justification than most of Battle mages votes.

*not tunneling I swear - just kinda bored and scatterbrained lol*

No. Battle Mage is pretty transparently scum.

[Titus]

Battle Mage, what makes you think I am "all over the place"?

[Titus]

Spoiler: case

If I get mislimmed day one, there's little I can do. I have accepted that with this game state. I have an easy task if I slowly post day 2.

That being said, I do feel my wagon is scum driven though. Consensus is gathering around no elimination but yet people vote me for actually voting for it.

Here are my actual weak reads though.

HC is scum riding off town Reck's coattails to disrupt the game.

BM is scum for waiting on a consensus before voting me. His position on me is just hot garbage in his ISO. He appeared fine when it was just me and him going to electrical but sad when Ali was added to the mix. That would have three in electrical. Removing me makes two in electrical.

Taly and Flea are town because of their metas.

Pooky and Alisae are town.

Cakez is town.

yo Alisae - let's go electrical first!

just electrical

tbh if Battle Mage kills me in electrical
I'm happy with that

don't worry, you can trust me

should we all claim task number? i see no reason not to

I have 2

I have one.
I plan on doing mine asap so I can pick up one of the other tasks and then do it.

I like your style Titus. I was planning on doing mine, and then kicking back on Night 2

every1 claim what rooms you need for your tasks

i will excel it and figure out optimal pathing

alisae will probly do it faster and better

electricity room?

wait you really only have 1 room to go to?

Same and it happens to be the same room.

So it looks like BM and I are sharing a room for the night.

goshdarn Titus, are you going to kill me?

I need to be in the same room 2 nights in a row.

This might throw a wrench in the claim plan.

Battle Mage can go to the room ur in then.

hmm or we send Titus?

Battle Mage has 1 task so it should be fine.
I can also go w/ Battle Mage so you feel safer, I have a 2nd task but I don't mind it if it would make you feel safer

I'm not planning to go anywhere without 3/4 people minimum.

this will be a strange mafia game where no scumhunting is required

I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.

Cool ur with me

Ok great. Then Battle Mage can come too. I won't feel so awkward having someone I know there with me.

pfft, now i dont wanna come

I really don't think 254 comes from town. 190 is stretching it. BM wants to be in electrical, yet is ok sending me anywhere but electrical knowing my task requires me to go to electrical.

In 145 and 153 BM is joking with me and he goes from that to trying to execute me.

Combining 254 and 190 and his push on me, it suggests BM's true motivation. Get just him and Alisae alone in electrical or force her off task.

Yes, a case can be done.

[Titus]

i'm on board

VOTE: blitzo

What are you not onboard with?

[Titus]

Meta. You townread Flea and I off of it in one of your early spews.

Compare this with Death curse.

[Titus]

I agree with your take on Titus, usually they stick to a few thoughts at once.

What do you call the repeated insistence that we no vote?

I feel the yucks here.

[Titus]

Alright, it seems like we finally have a consensus to be dumb. I'm not going to stop the dumbness so I might as well make the best of it.

VOTE: Battle Mage

[Titus]

Welcome to town, you must be new

I'm an old curmudgeon sad after no one had my crumbless cookies. So I decided to come and play to see if my mood improves.

[Titus]

Alright, it seems like we finally have a consensus to be dumb. I'm not going to stop the dumbness so I might as well make the best of it.

VOTE: Battle Mage

This is the case you posted on BM:

BM is scum for waiting on a consensus before voting me. His position on me is just hot garbage in his ISO. He appeared fine when it was just me and him going to electrical but sad when Ali was added to the mix. That would have three in electrical. Removing me makes two in electrical.

Is there more to it than that?

Read the next few posts in my ISO. That's the summary cliff notes version.

[Titus]

Alright, it seems like we finally have a consensus to be dumb. I'm not going to stop the dumbness so I might as well make the best of it.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Where and when was this consensus reached and why was it dumb?

It's dumb because we should be no eliminating.

The sheer number of people voting to eliminate means we will eliminate, so it might as well be on scum.

[Titus]

Read the next few posts in my ISO. That's the summary cliff notes version.

Yeah, I read that. Nothing new since then? Anything to bolster your description of "transparently scum"?

Alright, it seems like we finally have a consensus to be dumb. I'm not going to stop the dumbness so I might as well make the best of it.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Where and when was this consensus reached and why was it dumb?

It's dumb because we should be no eliminating.

The sheer number of people voting to eliminate means we will eliminate, so it might as well be on scum.

Mine wasn't a rhetorical question, btw.

Oh, you mean how BM votes anything with a pulse? But I can't be one hundred percent sure that's scummy. BM's pattern is enough to scum bin him and he hasn't done anything to change that opinion.

[Titus]

VLA until Sunday

[Titus]

VOTE: Blitzo

I can sheep that.

Sorry for those of you who don't like my VLA. I'm rarely around Friday nights and Saturdays. You can see it in my site history.

If I get miseliminated for voting scum and having a life, I can live with that. We still should be no executing though. If we do miseliminate, I'm objectively the best one. So like I said, no hard feelings.

[Titus]

Regarding post restrictions:

on Day 2 we should try to adhere to our post restrictions without making them obvious for as long as possible

. Might not be possible for everyone, but try to make it look natural if you can.

Lol yeah I don't think this is gonna work for me

Seconded.

Feel better Flea.

[Titus]

VOTE: Battle Mage

[Titus]

I'll decide what to do with my vote tomorrow. Very tired.

1671 and 1708 are good posts that elaborate my townread on

BM

.

Titus

, this fucks with my brain:

If I get miseliminated for voting scum and having a life, I can live with that. We still should be no executing though. If we do miseliminate, I'm objectively the best one. So like I said, no hard feelings.

1)

Need a strong case on why we should no lim.

2)

Why are you ever a good mislim option... why is mislimming ever a choose-able option here... you're not even in a competing wagon at the moment.

3)

Is your

BM

scumread based around your case in 1293? Has it evolved?

1) No elim ensures a task victory or actual evidence against a scum read.
2) Objectively, I have only one task to do. It's simple but tedious. I was a wagon at the time I posted that.
3) Besides BM sheeping everything with a pulse, no further evidence has emerged to change my read.

[Titus]

Oh no. You of all people do not get to just drop a vote with no reasoning and walk away. Why Battle Mage over the other wagons? Does the case against Murdercat make sense?

Battle Mage has been my number 1 SR for ages, so it's hardly unexplained.

[Titus]

Titus is the reason you're ignoring the further evidence, which did emerge, because you're scum and it's inconvenient, or because you genuinely missed it?

I'm ok with you arguing the point, or disagreeing or whatever. But what's actually happened is:

Titus makes case on BM
BM explains why Titus case is flawed
Titus ignores BM but continues to post, frequently referring back to her debunked BM-case.

You are always going to disagree with a case on yourself. I want to see you scumhunting and I'm not.

[Titus]

{Alisae, OWER}

{Cakez, Bell, Akarin, Murder, Pooky, Gamma, BM}

{Reckoner, Haschel, Blitzo}

{TGP, DGB, Flea, Titus}

This is where I'm at and how I've changed in the past 24 hours.

I'm feeling icky about this 3v1 between

Gamma/Titus/Flea V BM

that literally has not died this entire game.

Surprisingly

Reck/Haschel/Cakez

are the only people who've recently made any sense to me in these past few pages.

If you feel murdercat and BM are town, why are you still casting pressure votes? Why aren't you hard pushing a wagon or no elimination?

[Titus]

Oh no. You of all people do not get to just drop a vote with no reasoning and walk away. Why Battle Mage over the other wagons? Does the case against Murdercat make sense?

Battle Mage has been my number 1 SR for ages, so it's hardly unexplained.

There were two questions in my post and you only answered the former.

Stop dodging the question. Does the case against Murdercat make sense?

I haven't seen it but I am not caught up yet.

[Titus]

BM I can't get over how your reads seems to be structured to townread people townreading you and scum read people scum reading you
It's not necessarily scummy but why

That's NAI for BM.

[Titus]

What case? I am caught up and I have zero idea why MC is wagoned.

[Titus]

I think Titus is good at working with data and working off associations and I think there is a lot of both in this game.
If it's a me or her situation the choice is obvious but I want to see if there is any no elim hope first.

Wtf are you smoking? There are zero flips.

[Titus]

Wtf are you smoking? There are zero flips.

I was referring to going forward in the game, i.e. after N1 there will be hood info, room info, etc.

Oh ok.

[Titus]

Not sure how I feel about Titus tbh.
Titus obviously doesn't care about what's going on but pooky/bm are on it.
What's going on here...

What do you mean I don't care?

[Titus]

he's probably referring to the fact you're ducking me.

Impossible because I am not ducking you. I'm just not giving you an excuse to spam.

[Titus]

Titus, what should I do?
Should I try to get a flip to get more information, or is it just better to not eliminate?

I still feel no elimination is better but the rest of the town is too stubborn to actually do that, so vote.

[Titus]

Still going to electrical. Not reading until nightfall.

Sorry, I haven't been feeling well and I have had to ration my medications.

[Titus]

Still going to electrical. Not reading until nightfall.

Sorry, I haven't been feeling well and I have had to ration my medications.

That sucks Titus, hope you're well again soon <3 I've been off mine all weekend and it has blown chunks

Me too. This game sounds promising.

Here's to hoping we can catch BM and HC doing bad things.

[Titus]

One poste:

Ie Tolde yoe soe.

Pedit: Hmme does Gammae usuallye lacke ae sense ofe humore?

Dide anyone goe missinge ore ende upe someplace else?

Told us so on what? Nothing's been claimed yet.

I think combined with yesterday, Bell knows the sabotage that happened last night and planned it. I even called Bell's push in my neighborhood last night.

[Titus]

VOTE: Bell

[Titus]

But that's like, the only thing I like about mafia!

Oh well.
Puzzle solving time. Anyone wanna role spec on scum PR abilities?

Room denial in some form seems plausible. otherwise the game would end in 3 days? or so.

This is an odd thing to say. Role speccing on scum roles is something none of us had any information to do and reeks more of Bell knowing that scum can room sabotage.

I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.

Me announcing my plans to the group.

I'm having baby sitter Titus flash backs.

She fake claimed Babysitter as a scum role checker and she pretty much never went where she said she was going to go, lol.

Role spec until I see an angle to solve, though I'm doing it anyway because that's where I get my fun.

She fake claimed Babysitter as a scum role checker and she pretty much never went where she said she was going to go, lol.

Role spec until I see an angle to solve, though I'm doing it anyway because that's where I get my fun.

To be fair, I never really said I would go anywhere for the most part. You guys left me to my own devices, even when I pleaded to get vigged.

So yeah, I promise I'm not a babysitter. Those children have to watch themselves.

This conversation is where Bell completely misreps what happened in the last game where we were scum together. He says I never went where I promised to go, laying the groundwork to misexecute me when my room was in fact blocked.

[Titus]

If it becomes an issue, I can say who my room partner was who can say that I called Bell's shading of me. I'd rather keep that quiet in case scum try to shade me or them based on room occupancy.

[Titus]

none of us had any information to do

THIS MAKES SENSE WITH THE THEME THOUGH

The misrep nor the mention of particularly how scum could sabotage do.

[Titus]

none of us had any information to do

THIS MAKES SENSE WITH THE THEME THOUGH

The misrep nor the mention of particularly how scum could sabotage do.

Ume, howe exactlye wase Ie supposed toe knowe whate abilities ore howe interference woulde worke?
Alsoe, pretty sure, Ie dide make guesses ase toe howe scume mighte interfere.

You knew because you are scum.
Your advanced knowledge plus your misrep makes you scum.

@Gamma, Join me.

[Titus]

Hi ego hello etc. I've been loosely skimming thread since I offered to replace before gamestart, from what I gather scum somehow fucked with the big planned post for last Night and shut ppl out of a room? Correct me if I'm wrong. Also, I didn't catch the massclaim, can someone link so I can find and just check around that part first?

Correct.

[Titus]

Hmph, is murdercat scum too?

[Titus]

Hmph, is murdercat scum too?

WHY BECAUSE OF AKARIN?

Nope. Because you just did the other prediction I had last night of what scum would do.

That plus you defended Bell who is also probably scum.

[Titus]

I'M NOT DEFENDING BELL, YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT IS STRICTLY UNTRUE

WHAT IS THE OTHER THING?

What did I say that was strictly untrue?

I'm going to sit on that to see if anyone else does it. My hood partner(s) can vouch.

[Titus]

@MCe, tye.

Waite, dide the people ine electrical note get diverted, bute juste failed their taskse automaticallye? Theye didn'te end upe ine ae different sector?

We could pick our new rooms

[Titus]

What did I say that was strictly untrue?

YOU SAID WE HAD NO INFO TO GO OFF OF TO GUESS SCUM POWER.
BUT THE THEME HAS VERY CLEAR THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR SCUM POWER. ROOM DENIAL IS ONE OF THEM (CLOSING DOORS).

We have no mechanical info to guess that. It's true. There's no way we'd know which sabotage would be included. Bell just happens to speculate the one that shows and just happens to misrep me (which you ignore).

[Titus]

Can you explain how you predicted Bell/Murder's posts here?

Sure. They're the easy places for scum to go, particularly if they knew what was coming.

Namely, that the rooms would be locked and that HC would not be expected to have anyone with him.

[Titus]

Bell just happens to speculate the one that shows and just happens to misrep me (which you ignore).

I AM IGNORING THE MISREP THING BECAUSE I HAVEN'T DECIDED HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT YET
BUT THERE ARE ONLY 3 THINGS I CAN THINK OF THAT SCUM COULD POSSIBLY HAVE ACCESS TO: VENTS, DOORS, AND SABOTAGES
IF LIGHTS HAD GONE OUT WOULD I BE SCUM FOR IT?

No because you didn't suggest the lights would go out, use it to shade another player in the game, and a misrep at that.

[Titus]

@Bell, The quotes speak for themselves. I laid them out last night and predicted you would push on me. Your opening post was shade on me. Pretty straightforward.

[Titus]

Can someone translate HC's naming conventions for me?

[Titus]

No one can die. No one should die. Therefore, these votes are meaningless.

Still feeling this way? I doubt it, personally.

No. There's information to go off of now.

[Titus]

Who am I?

[Titus]

i don't think it's outside the realms of possibility that the solve is:

Alisae-Titus-Bell-Gamma

but I think Maestro (Alisae) is a lock for elim today, and then potentially look at Gamma tomorrow as a partner. In a way this feels more like Gamma's towngame, but I don't like him trying to take the heat off Alisae like he has, I think Bell is independently scummy and I've covered my view on Titus ad nauseum yesterday.

Hmm...Bell partner or just dumb.

Favoring partner due to prior posting but this is tbtbaw

[Titus]

*watches MURDERCAT*

@Flea, I am pretty sure you voted me, but your PR makes it hard to understand.

@Taly, Your thoughts on Bell?

[Titus]

@Flea, I meant hard to understand why.

[Titus]

Mt attack, something that can't be proven, setup spec.

did much much more in setup spec than Bell did.

I think this is pretty close to right. Clueless on the first word.

This is not a good look for Flea. Need more to determine if this is an outright lie or if he's mistaken.

Where did I do more setup spec than Bell?

I already proved a circumstantial case that Bell knew about the sabotage.

[Titus]

@Flea, Everything is circumstantial but for a moderator guilty. There's no town explanation for his misrep of the prior game we played together. He's practically ceding he misrepped me about our prior game because he's not defending his posts as accurate.

You may have done more setup spec than Bell but your did more than one. You didn't use the setup spec to shade.

Bell did one.
He invited more from others.
He used his one instance of setup spec to shade.
That shade is based off a misrep.

He opens today shading me based on the failure that he predicted yesterday.


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That being said, I do like Flea's response here tonally. Logically, it's garbage but town have bad logic all the time.

For instance, Flea missed the "or" in my post. That type of blatant error while pushing me as scum actually makes me more endearing, which counteracts his point.

Not sure what his last line is though. Less pronouns? If I am right, what should I use? Flea/Flea's everywhere?

[Titus]

Sod it, post restriction break for this one.
My pronouns are Fae/Faer

Please don't count this against Faer post restriction if they're town. Basic civility and votes should not be subject to PRs.

Back to game.

[Titus]

ddn't ctlly gnr th "r" n yr pst, smply sd prt f yr pst t shw wht y wr dng n tht sng crcmstncl vdnc s wrng.

Yr pnn n m, s yr pnn n m. Tht y'v tkn my xmpl s y hv s ntrstng, thgh.

I hate this PR. It makes it really hard to understand you, thus harder to work with you, and extremely hard to see your points.

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Don't exactly [something] the or in your post, simply said part? of your post to show what you were doing in? that single circumstantial evidence's wrong.

Your opinion on me, is your opinion on me. That you've taken my example is you have is understanding, though.

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[What I think you're trying to communicate is that you didn't miss the "or" in my post at all but you did that to show that selective parts of a post can be taken out of context?]

I'm guessing here. Bear with me.

What do you think is the better way of interpreting Bell's posts?

[Titus]

Do you think any of Haschel/TGP/BM/Murder were counterwagons forged by scum?

Murdercat is now my favorite wagon out of the EoD ones. BM is now my third place scumread. Of course, my murder read is marginally dependent on Bell so murder only beats BM by a hair.

If Bell is scum, turbo flip Murdercat.
If Bell is town, equal between Murdercat and BM.

I'm extremely confident on Bell though.

[Titus]

Murdercat is now my favorite wagon out of the EoD ones.

HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE FROM YOUR POV, WHERE I COULD HAVE PUSHED FOR YOUR END OF DAY ELIM AND DIDNT?

You figured I would be an easy miselim today, denial of information, I am wrong on BM? Could be hundreds of reasons.

Right now, I am looking at you defending Bell!scum, putting off your ISO of Bell!scum and predictably behaving like scum would.

[Titus]

@Gamma, Compare the ISOs of Bell and Flea. Flea has waffling and scumhunting. Bell doesn't. Flea's Mr. Wrong. Bell's defensive scum just insulting the arguments against him.

[Titus]

Alsoe, please refraine frome arguinge thate I'me defensive ande muste be scume, it'se like, the worste take.

Prithe.

This was my point. You know you're being defensive and not scumhunting, so you just call the argument lame.

I highlight your trajectory. You say that's not how you'd set me up.

You ask zero questions of anyone else or give zero analytical commentary regarding who is town or scum.

[Titus]

I'm out mostly until tomorrow.

[Titus]

Tituse hase seen ae millione defensive towne before. Her thinkinge ise note on'e the level.

Defensive town Bell scumhunts.

[Titus]

Hise vote reeks ofe opportunisme.

Oh man, you definitely have to elaborate on this. Preferably in the same post you finally address my goddamn questions.

Did you do your ISO on Bell yet?

[Titus]

Gamma town, BM null, hc lean town, cakey town, out null, maestro null but town lean bc Alisae, murder strong scum lean, flea town, taly lean scum

Some hot takes

[Titus]

The melodrama at the end of d1 felt forced.

[Titus]

You invoked babysitter well before I was a topic of elimination

[Titus]

Ie, made youe ae topice ofe elimination. Ine parte based one vibes ande ine parte because Ie dide note thinke ye woulde noe eliminate ase towne.

That's not true. Your babysitter "paranoia" came well before the deadline.

[Titus]

I don't want to yeet Titus anymore.

@Titus
I hope I'm not disappointing you

It's early. No one who tries is disappointing me, regardless of the role PM.

[Titus]

Why Maestro?

[Titus]

Why do you need more Blitzo?

Why are you not engaging my reads?

Why are you not demanding more of Bell?

[Titus]

Ok. I like BM...

[Titus]

Titus giving off more townvibes today than yesterday (0 town vibes).

qft

Okay, and?
I need more than this.

...what? from me?

What are you upto exactly?

No, from BM.
I also don't understand why you are confused about my question? His read is completely unexplained.
Does it not bother you in the slightest that you were nearly limmed in yet everyone has backed off of you for next to no reason?

They haven't backed off for no reason. I have info and I am using it to nail scum to the wall.

I expect you to engage with my content, particularly my read wall.

[Titus]

Titus I just checked your ISO and didn't see a read wall. Point it out to me if I missed it because all I saw were some hot takes of unexplained reads.

That's what I was referring to. Anywhere you agree, disagree, are confused

[Titus]

Of course you can do something. You can highlight which reads stand out and ask why I feel that way.

[Titus]

Huh, surprised to be alive.

Not super thrilled with Jub-jub or the rest of you who claimed all your tasks and locations in light of the door-locking.

Anyway, I was in Comms last night.

rereading be like:

why did everyone let this post go

this is terrible, surprised to be alive but he was big wagon D1, flying under radar when he wasn't being voted

i'd vote it re-reading didn't make me more convinced on MC

oh yeah did I mention MC came into the day insta-voting Titus after an Akarin kill

akarin who was defending Titus, pushing MC???

i feel comfortable with MC/Haschel as lockscum

MC is scum. Haschel being surprised to be alive allegedly is slightly town indicative.

^ Me

I am also ok with MC eating the task.

[Titus]

That being said, Outer might be scum too.

[Titus]

That being said, Outer might be scum too.

elaborate

I expected scum to push on Haschel. Both you and MC did.

[Titus]

That being said, Outer might be scum too.

elaborate

I expected scum to push on Haschel. Both you and MC did.

before I become livid

you are thinking both MC, myself are scum or just one out two

You might be. Much more confident about MURDERCAT.

[Titus]

I assume you thinking scum pushing on Haschel means you think Hasch is town, right?

What exactly makes you confident about Hasch being town?

Yes.

Haschel didn't kill me last night and there was no extra kill. We were alone.

[Titus]

N1 Plan Final

Cafeteria

Akarin
Outworlder
Pooky

Electrical

Titus
Battle Mage
DGB
Blitzo

Security

TGP
Bell
Flea

Admin

Alisae
Taly
A Very Sad Gamma

Reactor

Cakez
Murdercat

1 Location Sabotage: Titus and Gamma should do it

2 Location Sabotage: Titus and Gamma should go to the 1st one, and Taly and Alisae should go to the 2nd one.

(Assuming one of the locations isn't already occupied, in which case it's just a 1 Location Sabotage.

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If Dead Titus:

1 Location Sabotage: Cakez & Murdercat

2 Location Sabotage: Cakez & Murdercat take 1, Alisae/Taly/Gamma take the 2nd.

Haschel, could you explain for me again why you think you not claiming is worth giving scum a free NK on you?

Spoiler: the chart

Tasks
Player	Number of Tasks	Location 1	Location 2	Location 3
MURDERCAT	2	Reactor	Comms	N/A
Blitzo	2	Electrical	???	N/A
xRECKONERx	2	Location 1	Location 2	N/A
TheGoldenParadox	2	Security	Security/L2	Location 2
Flea The Magician	2	Storage	Security	N/A
Haschel Cedricson	2	Location 1	Location 2	N/A
DrippingGoofball	2	Electrical	Location 2	N/A
Battle Mage	1	Electrical	N/A	N/A
Gamma Emerald	1	Weapons	N/A	N/A
Alisae	2	Electrical	Admin	N/A
Titus	1	Electrical	N/A	N/A
OutWorldER	1	Cafeteria	N/A	N/A
Taly	2	Navigation	Admin	N/A
SirCakez	2	Reactor	Comms	N/A
Akarin	1	Cafeteria	Cafeteria	N/A
PookyTheMagicalBear	2	Navigation	Cafeteria	N/A
Bell	2	Navigation	Security	N/A

Here we go. You pushed on Haschel and I jumped on you for that.

[Titus]

That being said, Outer might be scum too.

elaborate

I expected scum to push on Haschel. Both you and MC did.

can you elaborate on this? haschel is pretty scummy

Yeah. I'm not dead. No extra kill.

[Titus]

titus

, did you read my readslist wall earlier?

Skimmed it. I was bored.

[Titus]

That being said, Outer might be scum too.

elaborate

I expected scum to push on Haschel. Both you and MC did.

can you elaborate on this? haschel is pretty scummy

Yeah. I'm not dead. No extra kill.

Ok but what if Haschel just didn't want to risk being seen?
If we all account for where we are and Haschel doesn't fit in anywhere then obv he did the kill

One, his buddy could vouch for him, we went over this yesterday. This problem you raise is why he's a town lean and a predictable person to attack.

To argue he's scum would mean my presence blocked him from getting a kill off because of no alibi (two rooms with one town).

It's possible I disrupted that.

Because of that prossibility, he's only a lean town. I want to see more. Especially on his Bell read. I feel like that request has dragged on.

[Titus]

We should probably all claim rooms come to think of it.

[Titus]

LMAO I KNEW IT

I WAS QUOTING THE CHART

LOL TITUS IS TOTALLY IGNORING THAT THE ONLY REASON SHE IS SCUM READING ME IS COMPLETELY WRONG

HELLO???

VOTE: TITUS

Yell at me all you want but your defense of Bell is shitty and you trying to argue I am wrong while doing nothing else is *stink eye*

[Titus]

Sorry if I bore you. I just want to attach the bell to a cat.

[/joke]

[Titus]

Why would you be voting bell here? Is my reasoning persuasive aside from being wrong on you fypov?

Why would my being wrong on you matter to you thinking I was solving or not?

[Titus]

Well, why does everyone have to have the same reason for voting Bell? If I am uncredible that shouldn't make Taly uncredible. Instead, you should look at each premise and decide.

Someone who is wrong about one thing might be right on another. Show me that independent thought.

What do you think of my Bell thoughts? Taly's?

[Titus]

Interacting with me and discussing the substance of your reads is how I reevaluate people.

If you sit on your hands and reject everything while refusing to scumhunt, I am going to believe you are scum with Bell.

You have a chance to prove me wrong that you have original thoughts. Run with it.

[Titus]

There's still room on the Bell wagon MURDERCAT. You don't have to agree with me if you have your own independent reasoning.

[Titus]

@Cakez, It's not wifom to believe the most likely scenario. Could I be wrong? Sure. That doesn't make believing the most likely scenario wifom.

@Taly, what is it you want me to see exactly?

[Titus]

Ugh a wall... I will get to this asap

[Titus]

I do feel a bit better about MURDERCAT too.

Still waiting on that Bell ISO from HC.

[Titus]

Bell I am 90% he's scum. Pooky read don't have one.

[Titus]

@Flea, can you put underlines where vowels should be like c_t for cat?

[Titus]

Bell, do you have any comments on my reads or are you going to just flail?

[Titus]

i believe Titus could be town, pushing a mislim on Bell-town here. Which means maybe we're just on the wrong track.

Although I'm sympathetic to the idea we need to lim SOMEBODY, I also think a lazy mis-elim after 124 pages is dumb.

I can respect this. #reachout #imsorry

@All but Flea, Can someone translate Flea's wall? Summary is fine. I'd like to engage Flea but I can't and it's frustrating. Catch up soon.

[Titus]

The more volume I post in, the less control scum has of the discussion.

Not true, if you're town. If you post more with nothing to say, you dilute your own voice. This gives scum more power as your voice gets ignored. Posting less but with concise points gets more influence.

[Titus]

You guys realize that scum instadies if they try that with the current plan, right?

Titus and HC both had outs though because we wouldn't have known where they went
(HC for not claiming and Titus for being kicked)

It's definitely still possible one or more is scum but I think Occam's Razor says it makes them more likely to be town.

Sure, maybe.
Except when someone dies and you realize that everyone is accounted for, you just lim the people who are unaccounted and you hit scum.
So they don't have a choice because they're the only ones left - even if they claim another room, everyone just accounts for where everyone else is and they're left in the cold by PoE.

It's the same concept where you don't see scum instaclaiming cop guilties just to get townies limmed - it does nothing.

+1 to

MC's

point but I want to make the distinction that I'm not clearing anyone off this premise.

I believe

Titus/HC's

progression to be natural in light of their room sharing, and while it is possible scum does this for towncred (or their both S/S), that's a WIFOM argument and it doesn't align with the current solve I having going on with my head unless I rethink a large portion of the game.

Furthermore, I haven't faithfully put

Haschel

in the townbin. I'm weary of and are shelving them, and there are players I scumread with higher strength.

Do you think scum exists on

Bell's

wagon? How many scum?

This is fair regarding HC. I think town, like yourself and Cakey, can take a measured approach (namely that I stopped the doublekill because I fucked up the alibi). I disagree with it, but it's not strong enough to have the disagreement here ring as fake.

[Titus]

I just 180ed on Taly. I need to really go in depth on her. The wagonomics and posts say two different things.

[Titus]

Can you talk about HC supertown, BM?

Lol, no catch up. I lied.

[Titus]

@Bell, if you're town, you should take the task. Objectively, everyone has tasks to do. There's no harm in recycling A's task. If you're scum, it auto completes.

[Titus]

Wagonomics? I keep forgetting what that means.

Wagonomics is the motion of wagons without flips. For instance, "This wagon formation always nets a scum" and "This wagon moves too slow/fast to net a scum" are wagonomics.

[Titus]

@Bell, if you're town, you should take the task. Objectively, everyone has tasks to do. There's no harm in recycling A's task. If you're scum, it auto completes.

the task was already taken though

Who took the task?

[Titus]

Wagonomics? I keep forgetting what that means.

Wagonomics is the motion of wagons without flips. For instance, "This wagon formation always nets a scum" and "This wagon moves too slow/fast to net a scum" are wagonomics.

Do you ever practice wagonomics? Or are you solely a VCA person?

I think no one can avoid wagonomics.

[Titus]

I has writer's block.

[Titus]

Mod: When does the lock on Electrical end?

[Titus]

@Mod: My bad.

Can't even apologize right.

[Titus]

Hi. It's Saturday. I am VLA today. I went to Electrical. Maestro and Blitzo were there with me. My posting will be slower to ensure I can do the task.

Pedit - What room was that Reck?

Pedit 2 - Lie better BM. 3 conftown.

VOTE: Battle Mage

[Titus]

You made it sound like you had the opportunity to go to electrical but electrical was still locked.

UNVOTE: BM

[Titus]

I find it odd that someone grabbed the task because I was going to do it because I am out if I succeed.

[Titus]

VOTE: Taly

I want to test you.

Fixed by shea

[Titus]

@Mod: Can you fix my broken tag?

-fixed by shea

[Titus]

Fuck me.

[Titus]

Ok, Reck and HC are in a circle jerk.

The best way to stop scumkills is to announce rooms.

[Titus]

I need a place to go as I will have no tasks.

[Titus]

Taly, you were in blue yesterday, why are you still doing it?

[Titus]

Sure I will go to navigation.

[Titus]

VOTE: HC

I tried to get you to discuss Bell multiple times and had to drag you to an ISO to get your opinion. Now you claim your stance was well known and that you discussed Bell's wagon in your thread last night. Why couldn't you have discussed him with me the prior night.

You were just as guilty if not more so of the players off the wagon.

Taly is one of the more guilty looking players on my wagon EoD1 though.

[Titus]

[Color #0000FF]Fuck.

Well at least I don't have another task.[/color]

[Titus]

Fucking hell.

[Titus]

@HC, I'll give MURDERCAT a read soon.

[Titus]

I plan on doing my VCA tomorrow. I am rather winded tonight.

[Titus]

Oh really fuck me now.

[Titus]

Sorry for the prod.

Townreading mastina's push on me to do VCA. Not sure how fruitful it is here, but mastina pushing an obvtown slot to be better is pretty obvtown.

Welcome windows.

[Titus]

Why do I feel like this game is queen Titus? That actually hurts my scum hunting. I think I am right again, but nowhere near as confident.

[Titus]

@WindowsXP,

My experience in both rooms has been rather brief. I tipped my bell case by HC and got crickets. Last night I got crickets.

[Titus]

Shit.

[Titus]

Can you elaborate on what the crumb was you mentioned in electrical btw? very important question pls do not dodge it

Can you rephrase this? I really want to answer.

[Titus]

Alright. This is immensely frustrating. I don't like answering a question without understanding, but if you're talking about crumbs and electrical, I guess you're referring to the case I laid out against Bell and how HC never responded.

I quoted similiar posts in the thread when I first cased Bell.

If that's not the answer then oh well.

We don't get access and must rely in memory. This is as equally frustrating for both of us.

[Titus]

I'm not sure I can put Windows in the too scummy to be scum section. Windows looks like he's seeking a new wagon to HC without explicitly calling HC town.

[Titus]

Intent? They're at L minus 2

[Titus]

Merry Christmas. Happy Holidays!

Let's yeet some scum. My vote is for HC.

[Titus]

Please give me one more day for my VCA. I have been struggling with mental clarity. I could just chalk it up and say nothing's useful because Bell never got counterwagoned.

Still, there's something there I am missing. It's not common for a slot that was nearly the day 1 misfade to get universal capabilities to get an uncounterwagoned scumflip. My case was right, but that's beside the point. I still should have been a contender for being misfaded and thus discredited. Why not? That's the question I hope my VCA will answer. I just have to have enough focus to do it. I'll try after my rounds.

If this gets hammered before I can, I am looking at you mastina to answer this.

[Titus]

^^^ Yuck.

[Titus]

I am voting HC for 1) his attempt to block room claims, 2) the lack of chatter in his night chat w me, 3) his delayed Bell ISO and 4) His far too late push on MURDERCAT who may also be scum.

If you disagree with me, push elsewhere. This game went from Kill Titus to sheep Titus far too quickly. I read better w conflict.

[Titus]

1) his attempt to block room claims

RECK did it too.

There wasn't a whole lot of night chat in my room either.

3) his delayed Bell ISO

Explain why this is AI.

4) His far too late push on MURDERCAT who may also be scum.

This is a second degree of separation scum connection and has no validity.

Indidivually, none of these things would be enough alone. However, the total package is that HC is delaying his claim and delaying his thoughts until he no longer can. He's stopping town cohesion. He's trying to sneak off into rooms alone to get extra kills. Each piece makes it more likely. Together they're my biggest SR.[/color]

[Titus]

Windows, there's more than 60 VCs on D1 alone. It is going to take hours just to format that VC.

[Titus]

While I disagree with the Flea wagon, I could be wrong. Vibrant discussion is healthier for town rather than me guessing.

[Titus]

Titus how can you disagree? He scumslipped

I don't want to answer that because Flea will copy my reply. If he says anything else, it's a slip.

[Titus]

VOTE: Flea

I was wrong.

[Titus]

VLA 48 hours depression flaring up

I'll still try to get to the VCA because I promised though.

[Titus]

Spoiler: VCs for me to eyeball

VoteCount 1.23

Haschel Cedricson [3]

alisae akarin battle mage

Battle Mage [3]

OutWorldER flea the magician DrippingGoofball

No Elim [2]

sircakez titus

titus[1]

bell

murdercat [1]

PookyTheMagicalBear

Flea the magician [1]

Haschel Cedricson

Alisae [1]

xRECKONERx

Sircakez [1]

murdercat

xRECKONERx [1]

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting [3]

Blitzo, taly, thegoldenparadox

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.25

Battle Mage [3]

OutWorldER flea the magician DrippingGoofball

No Elim [3]

sircakez titus battle mage

Haschel Cedricson [2]

alisae akarin

titus[1]

bell

murdercat [1]

PookyTheMagicalBear

Flea the magician [1]

Haschel Cedricson

Alisae [1]

xRECKONERx

Sircakez [1]

murdercat

xRECKONERx [1]

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting [3]

Blitzo, taly, thegoldenparadox

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.29

Battle Mage [4]

OutWorldER flea the magician DrippingGoofball blitzo

No Elim [3]

sircakez titus battle mage

Haschel Cedricson [2]

alisae akarin

titus[1]

bell

blitzo [1]

thegoldenparadox

murdercat [1]

PookyTheMagicalBear

Flea the magician [1]

Haschel Cedricson

Alisae [1]

xRECKONERx

Bell [1]

murdercat

xRECKONERx [1]

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting [1]

taly

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

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VoteCount 1.36

Battle Mage [4]

OutWorldER flea the magician DrippingGoofball blitzo

blitzo [3]

thegoldenparadox murdercat battlemage

No Elim [2]

sircakez titus

titus[2]

bell haschel cedricson

xRECKONERx [1]

pookythemagicalbear

Haschel Cedricson [1]

alisae

murdercat [1]

akarin

Alisae [1]

xRECKONERx

DrippingGoofball [1]

taly

Not Voting [1]

gamma emerald

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.37

Battle Mage [3]

OutWorldER flea the magician blitzo

blitzo [3]

thegoldenparadox murdercat battlemage

No Elim [2]

sircakez titus

titus [2]

bell haschel cedricson

xRECKONERx [1]

pookythemagicalbear

Haschel Cedricson [1]

alisae

murdercat [1]

akarin

Alisae [1]

xRECKONERx

DrippingGoofball [1]

taly

taly [1]

DrippingGoofball

Not Voting [1]

gamma emerald

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.39

blitzo [4]

thegoldenparadox murdercat battlemage sircakez

Battle Mage [3]

OutWorldER flea the magician blitzo

titus [2]

bell haschel cedricson

xRECKONERx [1]

pookythemagicalbear

Haschel Cedricson [1]

alisae

murdercat [1]

akarin

Alisae [1]

xRECKONERx

DrippingGoofball [1]

taly

taly [1]

DrippingGoofball

No Elim [1]

titus

Not Voting [1]

gamma emerald

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.40

blitzo [4]

thegoldenparadox murdercat battlemage sircakez

Battle Mage [4]

OutWorldER flea the magician blitzo titus

titus [3]

bell haschel cedricson DrippingGoofball

Haschel Cedricson [1]

alisae

xRECKONERx [1]

pookythemagicalbear

murdercat [1]

akarin

Alisae [1]

xRECKONERx

DrippingGoofball [1]

taly

Not Voting [1]

gamma emerald

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.41

titus [5]

bell haschel cedricson DrippingGoofball Battle Mage flea the magician

blitzo [3]

thegoldenparadox murdercat sircakez

Battle Mage [3]

OutWorldER blitzo titus

Flea the Magician [1]

Alisae

murdercat [1]

akarin

Alisae [1]

xRECKONERx

DrippingGoofball [1]

taly

xRECKONERx [1]

pookythemagicalbear

Not Voting [1]

gamma emerald

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.42

titus [4]

haschel cedricson DrippingGoofball Battle Mage flea the magician

blitzo [3]

thegoldenparadox murdercat sircakez

Battle Mage [3]

OutWorldER blitzo titus

flea the magician [2]

akarin alisae

Alisae [1]

xRECKONERx

DrippingGoofball [1]

taly

xRECKONERx [1]

pookythemagicalbear

Not Voting [2]

gamma emerald bell

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.43

blitzo [4]

thegoldenparadox murdercat sircakez titus

titus [3]

haschel cedricson DrippingGoofball Battle Mage

Battle Mage [2]

OutWorldER blitzo

flea the magician [2]

akarin alisae

Alisae [1]

xRECKONERx

DrippingGoofball [1]

taly

xRECKONERx [1]

pookythemagicalbear

sircakez [1]

bell

Not Voting [2]

gamma emerald flea the magician

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.46

MURDERCAT [5]

Akarin xRECKONERx outworldER alisae sircakez

blitzo [3]

thegoldenparadox murdercat titus

titus [3]

haschel cedricson DrippingGoofball Battle Mage

Battle Mage [1]

blitzo

DrippingGoofball [1]

taly

xRECKONERx [1]

pookythemagicalbear

sircakez [1]

bell

Not Voting [2]

gamma emerald flea the magician

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.47

MURDERCAT [6]

outworldER Akarin xRECKONERx alisae sircakez battle mage

blitzo [3]

thegoldenparadox murdercat titus

titus [2]

haschel cedricson DrippingGoofball

Battle Mage [1]

blitzo

DrippingGoofball [1]

taly

xRECKONERx [1]

pookythemagicalbear

sircakez [1]

bell

Not Voting [2]

gamma emerald flea the magician

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.47

MURDERCAT [6]

outworldER Akarin xRECKONERx alisae sircakez battle mage

blitzo [4]

thegoldenparadox murdercat titus pookythemagicalbear

titus [2]

haschel cedricson DrippingGoofball

Battle Mage [2]

blitzo flea the magician

DrippingGoofball [1]

taly

sircakez [1]

bell

Not Voting [1]

gamma emerald

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.48

MURDERCAT [6]

outworldER Akarin xRECKONERx alisae sircakez battle mage

blitzo [3]

thegoldenparadox titus pookythemagicalbear

titus [2]

haschel cedricson DrippingGoofball

Battle Mage [2]

blitzo flea the magician

DrippingGoofball [1]

taly

sircakez [1]

bell

no elim [1]

murdercat

Not Voting [1]

gamma emerald

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.49

MURDERCAT [5]

outworldER Akarin xRECKONERx alisae sircakez

Battle Mage [5]

blitzo flea the magician gamma emerald DrippingGoofball titus

blitzo [3]

thegoldenparadox pookythemagicalbear battle mage

titus [1]

haschel cedricson

DrippingGoofball [1]

taly

sircakez [1]

bell

no elim [1]

murdercat

Not Voting [0]

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.51

MURDERCAT [5]

outworldER xRECKONERx alisae sircakez thegoldenparadox

Battle Mage [5]

blitzo flea the magician gamma emerald DrippingGoofball titus

blitzo [2]

pookythemagicalbear battle mage

titus [1]

haschel cedricson

DrippingGoofball [1]

taly

sircakez [1]

bell

no elim [1]

murdercat

Not Voting [1]

akarin

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

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VoteCount 1.52

MURDERCAT [4]

outworldER xRECKONERx alisae thegoldenparadox

Battle Mage [4]

blitzo gamma emerald DrippingGoofball titus

no elim [2]

murdercat sircakez

blitzo [2]

pookythemagicalbear battle mage

titus [2]

haschel cedricson taly

sircakez [1]

bell

Not Voting [2]

akarin flea the magician

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.56

Battle Mage [4]

blitzo gamma emerald DrippingGoofball titus

titus [3]

haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage

no elim [3]

murdercat sircakez alisae

MURDERCAT [4]

outworldER xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox

sircakez [1]

bell

thegoldenparadox [1]

taly

Not Voting [2]

akarin flea the magician

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.57

Battle Mage [4]

blitzo gamma emerald DrippingGoofball titus

titus [3]

haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage

MURDERCAT [3]

outworldER xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox

thegoldenparadox [2]

taly murdercat

sircakez [1]

bell

outworldER [1]

Alisae

no elim [1]

sircakez

Not Voting [2]

akarin flea the magician

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.58

titus [4]

haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage gamma emerald

Battle Mage [3]

blitzo DrippingGoofball titus

MURDERCAT [3]

outworldER xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox

thegoldenparadox [2]

taly murdercat

sircakez [1]

bell

outworldER [1]

Alisae

no elim [1]

sircakez

Not Voting [2]

akarin flea the magician

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.58

titus [4]

haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage gamma emerald

MURDERCAT [4]

outworldER xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox akarin

Battle Mage [3]

blitzo DrippingGoofball titus

thegoldenparadox [3]

taly murdercat alisae

sircakez [1]

bell

no elim [1]

sircakez

Not Voting [1]

flea the magician

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.59

titus [4]

haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage gamma emerald

MURDERCAT [3]

outworldER xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox

Battle Mage [3]

blitzo DrippingGoofball titus

thegoldenparadox [3]

taly murdercat alisae

sircakez [1]

bell

Haschel Cedricson [1]

Akarin

no elim [1]

sircakez

Not Voting [1]

flea the magician

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.61

Haschel Cedricson [4]

Akarin taly gamma emerald blitzo

titus [3]

haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage

MURDERCAT [3]

outworldER xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox

Battle Mage [2]

DrippingGoofball titus

thegoldenparadox [2]

murdercat alisae

sircakez [1]

bell

no elim [1]

sircakez

Not Voting [1]

flea the magician

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.62

Haschel Cedricson [4]

Akarin taly gamma emerald blitzo

titus [4]

haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage drippinggoofball

MURDERCAT [3]

outworldER xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox

Battle Mage [1]

titus

thegoldenparadox [2]

murdercat alisae

sircakez [1]

bell

no elim [1]

sircakez

Not Voting [1]

flea the magician

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.62

Haschel Cedricson [4]

Akarin taly gamma emerald blitzo

titus [4]

haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage drippinggoofball

MURDERCAT [3]

outworldER xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox

Battle Mage [1]

titus

thegoldenparadox [2]

murdercat alisae

sircakez [1]

bell

no elim [1]

sircakez

Not Voting [1]

flea the magician

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.64

Haschel Cedricson [4]

Akarin taly gamma emerald blitzo

titus [4]

haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage drippinggoofball

MURDERCAT [3]

outworldER xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox

no elim [2]

sircakez flea the magician

thegoldenparadox [2]

murdercat alisae

Battle Mage [1]

titus

sircakez [1]

bell

Not Voting [0]

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.65

Haschel Cedricson [6]

Akarin taly gamma emerald blitzo xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox

titus [5]

haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage drippinggoofball flea the magician

no elim [2]

sircakez murdercat

MURDERCAT [1]

outworldER

thegoldenparadox [1]

alisae

Battle Mage [1]

titus

sircakez [1]

bell

Not Voting [0]

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.67

titus [6]

haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage drippinggoofball flea the magician gamma emerald

Haschel Cedricson [4]

Akarin blitzo xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox

no elim [2]

sircakez murdercat

MURDERCAT [1]

outworldER

thegoldenparadox [1]

alisae

Battle Mage [1]

titus

sircakez [1]

bell

Not Voting [1]

taly

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.68

titus [5]

haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage drippinggoofball gamma emerald

Haschel Cedricson [4]

Akarin blitzo xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox

thegoldenparadox [2]

alisae murdercat

no elim [2]

sircakez flea the magician

MURDERCAT [1]

outworldER

Battle Mage [1]

titus

sircakez [1]

bell

Not Voting [1]

taly

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.69

titus [6]

haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage drippinggoofball gamma emerald blitzo

Haschel Cedricson [3]

Akarin xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox

thegoldenparadox [2]

alisae murdercat

no elim [2]

sircakez flea the magician

MURDERCAT [1]

outworldER

Battle Mage [1]

titus

sircakez [1]

bell

Not Voting [1]

taly

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

VoteCount 1.70 FINAL

titus [8]

haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage drippinggoofball gamma emerald blitzo alisae taly

Haschel Cedricson [3]

Akarin xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox

thegoldenparadox [1]

murdercat

no elim [2]

sircakez flea the magician

MURDERCAT [1]

outworldER

Battle Mage [1]

titus

sircakez [1]

bell

Not Voting [0]

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

Please get choices in ASAP. The choice phase has a maximum length of 24 hours but can move to night as soon as everyone has submitted their choices.

Countdown to choice deadline: (expired on 2020-12-09 15:46:31)

[Titus]

Eyeballing this, the one recurring theme seems to be Blitzo. Whenever he gets pushed, a major counterwagon pops up.

I kinda don't want HC anymore because HC and Bell wouldn't have overloaded my early wagon. Blitzo is also the one to make the choice to vote me over Hershel, thus giving my wagon legitimacy and momentum. If blitzo is scum, it suggests scum preferred me dead over HC.

I'm kinda talking myself into a flashwagon on blitzo but I don't feel it that strongly, particularly with my depression.

Also I would FoS BM for his early sheepy stuff.

[Titus]

Going to need to redo that vote.

Votes in quotes don't count.

[Titus]

It felt good going from L minus one to casing Bell into a corner.

I think the room claims really hurt scum.

[Titus]

I think if this setup is run, give scum 1 kill every other night but the imposter must be in the room with the target.

I don't see a realistic method of scum ever getting the double kill.

[Titus]

Titus, I was hardcrumbing this to you in 3261 and 3277, btw.

My skin itches and I'm blinded. Must be my crumb allergy. Sorry.

[Titus]

I just wanted everyone to know I thoroughly enjoyed this game and I had to be subbed out due to mod error.

[Titus]

That was sad
But you obv towned your slot and caught scum before that so ya know

That was good. Then we just needed a warm body to do what I couldn't. Math was an excellent warm body.

[Titus]

My VCA worked too.