Among Us Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Blitzo]

Hi.
Will be catching up either later or tomorrow.
Is there anything in particular anyone would like me to look at?

[Blitzo]

Work is far busier than I thought.
Will not be officially catching up until later tonight, though I'll be lurking about until then.
I've read a number of pages (up to about page 10 I think) and I think MC is suspicious for pushing cake for supposedly agreeing with a similar assessment of the plan.
Reads like changing his opinions based on nothing.
As for claiming tasks and rooms, I'm not sure I'll do that yet.
I will wait until I catch up before making a decision on whether or not I should do so.

[Blitzo]

There is way too much pointless drivel right now.
Not sure how I feel about it either, considering how big the game is.
I might start perusing that group instead.

[Blitzo]

@pooky - is there actually something behind that?
@Outworlder - I can see that he's part of the group I am aiming to look in to.
What is the case on him?
PEDIT - I'll get one shortly if it bothers you tbh.

[Blitzo]

@DGB - uh, why?
@OWER - I can see that you want to get the ball rolling on BM but is there anything else actually behind that?
Why are people no elimming?
That seems bad.

[Blitzo]

@DGB - I'm working and the majority of this thread seems to be filled with pointlessness regardless.
Even then I never said I wouldn't catch up, merely that it is delayed and I will be lurking about in thread until my shift ends at least.
Do you have anything that you want me to look at in particular?
Ftr, I will be done at work at 8:30 EST and will be completing my catch up some point after that.
Moving on, @Bell - This seems like a bad strategy simply because we have no point of reference for if this is working or not.
Surely the game is balanced around the fact that this wouldn't work, no?
Plus if we go all in and it turns out we're wrong (which, let's be real, is the most likely outcome) then we just lose straight up.
Scumhunt normally until we see a reason to do something else, which is probably never going to happen.
PEDIT - I will also note that work has put me into a slower workflow so I may actually find time even before the end of my shift to get more done.
Furthermore, I feel that alisae has somewhat shallow reads and constantly posting lists is an easy way to look like you're doing something when you're not.
A cursory glance shows she has done this at least 5 or 6 times already.

[Blitzo]

Work is calling again, busy until a bit later unfortunately.
I will note that voting into the no elims might prove fruitful - I feel like that's an idea that's obviously bad so there could be something behind it.
BM being there probably means something.

[Blitzo]

Plenty of unexplained reads by BM. Feels incredibly fake.
OWER seems similar to the last game I played with him but I feel like I need more from him to solidify that read.
Titus also dithering about like this seems scum.
Her later reads don't inspire any confidence.
I've played with her before and this definitely doesn't feel right - iirc she's incredibly abrasive and obnoxious to the point where I nearly blacklisted her.
I actually still had half a mind to opt out when I saw her in the list but I'm here so meh.
Not really sure why I'm being voted but I'd really like to know why?
I feel like I addressed most of the reasons but there's still stuff there and it's lost on me.
I'm mostly caught up at this point - I think I might be with reck in terms of ignoring the plan to tell everyone where we're going.

[Blitzo]

There was a lot of nonsense in those pages but that's what I gleaned from my catchup.
I definitely feel like I missed a thing or two but I've completely forgotten what they were.
I need to double back and check again at some point because I remember feeling they were important when I had them but I didn't write them down like the fool that I am.
I did note that HC has a wagon on him and I'd like to know where that's coming from.
I feel like the answer might be somewhat obvious in hindsight but I still want it spelled out for me.
PEDIT - I don't feel like that's the point people are making - I think the point is that banking the entire game on doing tasks faster than scum can kill us is an inherently bad strategy simply based on how balancing works.
If there's something else I missed in regards to that argument, let me know because I don't see it.

[Blitzo]

Oh never mind I just remembered what they were.
DGB has been voting me since pretty early in yet only came up with reasons after some time had passed?
I was leaning town there but I feel like that's just coming up with excuses later.
I think I really need more engagement from her considering it feels like a storyline is being developed there and I don't like it.
I also feel like I addressed the supposed "case" on me a little while ago and nothing changed for some reason?
I also don't know what it means that I don't want to "spar" someone.
I mean I'm here in yet she's talking around me trying to get people to vote me.
What's up?
My second thought was that TGP was entirely forgettable.
I might let that develop for a bit and see what happens.
PEDIT - Speak of the devil. What's wrong with my post TGP?

[Blitzo]

You're not wrong.
I also think that now is the time to rectify that.
I've given a number of my reads.
What are yours?
PEDIT - #973 is simply not a good post.
Double PEDIT - I don't see how that's true cakez.
I think I've given a number of reads and ideas and don't see how that's not the case?
Where are you at in opinions rn?

[Blitzo]

@akarin - the fact that 973 was not a good post and he made it while I was posting.
It feels incredibly nitpicky and almost like he pulled that idea out of thin air.
I legitimately don't know what else I can really say about it other than how angry it made me.
Is it scum? Possibly.
@DGB - You're not wrong on that front but I'd still like you to talk to me about stuff.
What haven't I addressed or what's changed or what's up I suppose?
I'd also like to parse my wagon first since it's so bad that I think scum has to be on it.
PEDIT - cakez I'd like you to sit down and point out how "complaining" or whatever it is you've called it has outweighed my reads and other contributions.

[Blitzo]

You are correct that I am misnumbering - it was 974, not 973.
I also think I answered this question already earlier?
It was mostly a game balance thing and the fact that we're already massclaiming all the stuff that makes it possible for us to win that way just makes it way easier for scum to pack us in that way.
Though I didn't really think of the numbers behind it.
What exactly is our plan though?
Do nothing and win?
That seems...Terrible, for a number of reasons.

[Blitzo]

@dgb - Sure.
VOTE: battle mage
Now.
What's the deal?

[Blitzo]

@DGB - was this whole scumread thing a ploy to get me to vote for BM?
@Akarin - What exactly do you mean by "bonus kills?"
Sorry if I missed it, I checked your ISO and I know that you've been talking about it but I'm just not really seeing it.
A task win as a primary win where we outrace scum by doing tasks before they simply kill us can't be possible.
Like...That

can't

be right.

Pedit - reck has pretty much said everything I wanted to say about it.

[Blitzo]

DGB is mindmelding with me quite a bit here.
Maybe she's town.
I'm also really not a huge fan of the meta reads here, especially knowing how badly they messed up the last game.
I'm aware that that in and of itself is a meta read but I think it really needs to be said.

[Blitzo]

I don't understand what MC is doing this game.
MC was are your reads?
Also why do people feel like pooky is town?

[Blitzo]

@Gamma - I don't think that's what reck is really doing either.
He said - correctly, in my mind - that he's keen on voting scum rather than speculating on the plan.
I don't see how that doesn't constitute a plan either?
I don't really follow that narrative.
PEDIT - I thought I posted this earlier but I didn't.
Anyways.
I still don't understand the bonus kills angle we were pushing.
Did I miss something?

[Blitzo]

Oye.
Okay.
Maybe it's time I rethink this plan thing.

[Blitzo]

@Gamma - yeah it seems like he changed his mind later on.
Maybe I need to rethink this plan.
My idea is that I'm worried more about tasks getting shut down especially if we keep everyone together like this but it seems like the alternative is worse?

[Blitzo]

Though I will note that that wasn't the case beforehand so I'm not sure if you missed that or what you're doing right now exactly.
I'm tired and am going to bed.
Maybe I'll revisit your line of thinking here tomorrow.

[Blitzo]

Can you elaborate on what you mean by elusive, cakez?
I also read BM's #1168 and it looks like he townslipped me being town due to interactions between DGB/me in yet voted me anyway.
I would love some kind of explanation for that but somehow I don't think I'll get one.
I also don't see where his read on cakez is coming from, and am not thrilled with him calling my vote bad with no explanation as to why.
As for MC, I'm uneasy with the fact that he jumped onto this wagon.
His reasoning seems contrived (RE: basing it on "feeling fake" with no real explanation as to why that is).
I also feel like he would be making more of an effort to sort me if he were town - we literally just played together and wound up being buddies before he was tragically (and insultingly) elim'd on day 1 after we fought for several pages and it seems like he isn't making that same effort here.
If he's town I'd love to talk to him more but he seems far more concerned calling my efforts fake for contrived reasons.
I am unimpressed.

[Blitzo]

@DGB - what constitutes jumping off of BM here?
Why is Taly scummier?
I'm aware that you said something about him being wishy washy (which I don't think is wrong) but I don't see how that's enough to warrant switching?

[Blitzo]

@Taly - dcan you go more in-depth on that barter statement?
Why is that scummy?
Who are your other scumreads and why?

[Blitzo]

I typo'd in the last post, mb.
@Bell - what more are you expecting from me?
What do you mean by "less" from BM?
What is your read on him and how has that sated you?
My opinion of him is the exact opposite so I fail to see how he has done "enough."

[Blitzo]

Can someone explain to me why TGP is town?
Akarin's read is probably the third or fourth person that has stated such in yet I see no reasons for any of them.
Why is it so hard to get people to explain things this game?

[Blitzo]

@Bell - I'm assuming you're talking to me or Taly?
I actually can't tell.
I'm also not really sated with either answer and definitely need more elaboration on, like, everything.

[Blitzo]

I've played a few games of mafia, if that's what you're asking.
As for spew, I still don't really understand what you're looking for?
I feel like I've explained the majority of my reads so it's not like I'm keeping anything secret, so if there's something specific you want on someone specific I might need you to point fingers.
As for BM, I don't see how he's handling the pressure well or how you can confidently read him town?
I actually feel like that idea is sort of wishy washy and needs more elaboration.

[Blitzo]

@Bell - I am an alt?
I'm not really sure what you're saying here.
@Taly - my statement about TGP was aimed at Bell, not you.
PEDIT - MC is correct that I have claimed to be an alt in another game, so I'm not sure where you get the idea that I'm lying about it.

[Blitzo]

@Bell - Again I don't see how I haven't done that already.
I've called at least two or three people scum already - do you not see any validity in what I've said or is that not enough for some reason?
Also something I wanted to comment on since I kept losing track of it when I was trying to post about it the first time - BM claimed he didn't have many reads in #1158 and was confused about how I came to that conclusion.
He posted unexplained reads in #119, #287, #415, #419, and then proceeded to post more unexplained reads in #1197 and #1285. Again in #1317.
He then votes me later for unexplained reasons.
He doesn't seem to be following his own narrative and I don't like it.
@MC - where are you at rn?
PEDIT - Akarin I disagree with that sentiment completely, and think that line of thinking is more WIFOM than anything.

[Blitzo]

Time flew and I didn't realize how not a PEDIT that actually was.
That's embarrassing.
Anyways.
Bell I'm sorry if I'm not really following what you're trying to push here but I feel the exact opposite in a number of ways - I think that I've been pretty content-rich especially when you compare to to BM, who just drops names for next to no reason over and over.
If you want me to read a specific player then by all means let me know, but I don't see how I haven't "spewed" or done any analysis and I'm sort of confused as to why you keep saying that.

[Blitzo]

I mean sure, my post count isn't high, but I think my opinions are pretty well thought out and easy to understand.
Is there a particular reason you feel that that isn't the case?
@pooky - Is that a real read or what are you doing?

[Blitzo]

Cakez responding to 1380 doesn't really make any sense and I need elaboration on that.
I don't understand why he's voting me either.
MC is definitely too lackluster here and I feel like he simply doesn't care about what's going on at this point.
I'm going to double check the game we just finished tomorrow to confirm my suspicions but something

definitely

isn't right there.

[Blitzo]

If HC continues along this trend then I could see yeeting him.
Though cakez is also aboard that elim.
I don't know what that means yet but I intend to find out.

[Blitzo]

@TGP - My timetable for catching up came together exactly as advertised so that point is bosh no matter how badly you want it to not be bosh.
I also don't think I ever explicitly called DGB scum and have, in fact, called her the opposite.
I have also spoken about my thoughts regarding tasks earlier and I think you should look at that before continuing, if you feel that's necessary.
I think your case is lackluster and don't have much more to say about it.

[Blitzo]

Well.
I feel like we should coordinate but still elim.
I don't think winning on tasks is a super viable option but denying the NK is still a good plan.
I think that hiding what we were doing was the best plan for getting tasks done but I think this puts a reasonable clock on the game while keeping NKs down.
PEDIT - above is aimed at akarin naturally.

[Blitzo]

That prod was faster than expected.
I'm actually about to head to bed but I'm not leaving without catching up and posting some thoughts first.
Pooky voting reck for poor planning, then voting someone due to reck's idea then immediately flipping around and voting reck makes next to no sense and probably makes him mafia.
Titus jumping onto my wagon is lazy and mediocre.
@Bell - I think it's hilarious that you're townreading me because of my avatar but I really need to know if there's something behind that.
@Gamma - is there a specific point on the case on me that you feel hasn't been addressed specifically?
I feel like I've addressed them all.
I need to spend time looking into the MC wagon.
I definitely don't trust him but I feel like it exploded rather quickly which makes me somewhat hesitant.
I'll check into some of his more recent posts and see if anything has changed for me.

[Blitzo]

I do feel like I've addressed the case.
I'm not sure what TGP is doing at this point and don't understand why he's not doing anything other than halfheartedly pushing a dead case after being prodded twice?
Is there something I legitimately missed or what's going on here?
I feel like I'm also forgetting something else but I can't remember what it was.
Anyways, I'm going to check back in tomorrow.

[Blitzo]

I don't doubt that there may be issues between Gamma and BM.
To be honest I don't really think it's my business unless it becomes gamebreaking somehow, but I don't think that's really the case here either.
What I doubt is how much that actually matters when BM is actually quite guilty of acting this way thus far.
I'm also lost as to why he's switching back to me here.
@Gamma - no, I can't use line breaks right now sorry.
@pooky - again - is this real or not?
I need actual thoughts to come out of your mouth plx.

[Blitzo]

Hey I'm reading the thread yo.
Anyways.
I also remember you said something about my case but I didn't quite follow?
I don't exactly know what you mean when you said "context" and would like some elaboration.
Normally I wouldn't care but a lot of people are voting me for reasons that I can't even seem to find anymore so I think I need to dig deep here since that can't just be the end all of everything in this game.

[Blitzo]

@Gamma - you are correct.
The correct term I meant to use was critically.
Honestly the more I talk about it the more I realize it probably doesn't matter but, you know, I'm here now.

[Blitzo]

/shrug
I think I kind of feel the same way right now honestly.
Where are you at on MC rn?

[Blitzo]

@Gamma - I kind of get that.
I do think I prefer BM right now.
Alternatively maybe Titus.
PEDIT - Yeah but people are voting me because they don't like it so now I have to take it seriously for some reason.
Do you have an actual read though?

[Blitzo]

Seriously?
Bell.
Like, this

can't

be the game I'm playing right now.

[Blitzo]

Pooky.
Be real with me for a second.
What exactly are you doing rn?

[Blitzo]

@Bell - I must have missed that conversation.
Do you think pooky is town here?
Serious question.

[Blitzo]

Sure.

I'm actually still in the process of finding one I like and I don't like either of the ones I picked but this conversation is still dumb.
While I focus on that, do you have any other actual reads?
This can't really be your only line of thought and we're less than two days out from deadline with what appear to be competing wagons.

[Blitzo]

DGB do you think pooky is town here?
I also think Bell talking around pooky like this is sort of weird?
I get that maybe there was a conversation that happened that I missed but I still don't see Bell having a read on him and it feels like my comment has been completely ignored.
What's going on here...
Bell what do you think of pooky?

[Blitzo]

Well, not completely ignored.
But he definitely talked past me and kind of wound up discussing something not all that relevant.
I didn't like it.
Bell what's your read on pooky?

[Blitzo]

My new avatar is a stick.
Now you can all stop talking about it and start talking about things that matter.
I think pooky is mafia and caught him off of something I feel is similar from last game but we're just gonna cut this angle right now just so we can see if something changes.
Or maybe he just stays on my wagon for some other contrived reason.
Let's see.

[Blitzo]

@Gamma - be my guest.
I'm guessing we should consolidate soonish.
@Taly - why is BM town?
I feel the opposite obviously but I'd like to know the reasons as to why.
PEDIT - Idk, maybe.
DOUBLE PEDIT - wow guys calm down.
Idk I definitely got this vibe where pooky is voting me and pissing into the wind which is the exact same thing he did last time.
I'm not sure why other people don't see this?
Though I'm being voted because apparently a stick is still scary

[Blitzo]

@Bell - why?
@Gamma - that was the first thing I was thinking of when I picked this.
I'm currently trying to figure out how to put angry eyes on the stick without Photoshop but I'm not currently having any success.

[Blitzo]

@BM - No.
You have posted next to nothing in the way of reasoning and it's impossible to figure out where you actually stand on anything.
That is not an acceptable answer.
Nor is it acceptable to say that I've been talking around you when I've been trying to engage people almost since I've started playing the game.
I actually think this may be the first time we've interacted at all which is way too long at this point and I'm definitely not okay with that.
If I'm wrong on this somehow, even though I'm almost 100% certain that I'm not, then feel free to actually point out where you've explained all of your reads because you haven't, iirc.

[Blitzo]

Yeah I guess I only repeatedly pointed out where you didn't explain your reads.
Actually I just recalled the only other time we interacted and it was when I pointed out where you didn't explain your reads.
Then you continued not explaining your reads.
But I guess it's okay if you wanna keep pushing this angle where you're so transparent and clear when you haven't done even the slightest bit of reasoning.
Someone just pointed out how your reads are forming (RE - being based on whether someone scum/townreads you) and I think that's actually pretty accurate.
If there's something I missed definitely point it out because I'm just not seeing someone scumhunting tbh.

[Blitzo]

@cakez - I wish you would disappear from this game tbh.
I will also note that pooky has thrown me into his townpile.
His vote is still here and we are a day from deadline.
Why do people think he's town?

[Blitzo]

I feel like my last post might be taken as a personal attack.
I'd like to make it clear that it isn't.
Back to the game now.

[Blitzo]

That BM post is about hyperbole is absurd and it makes me angry.
Yeet him with bricks.
PEDIT - Cakez has been shading me all game for poor reasons.
I don't really trust him rn.
As for pooky, people feel like he is town but I have received relatively poor reasoning as to why that is the case.
Do you feel that the points that I've brought up about him are relevant or not, and why?

[Blitzo]

@BM - I'm always open to the fact that I can be wrong.
Of course right now I don't think I am but that's sort of besides the point?
I definitely don't like the fact that you're writing me off here because of anger.
Obviously I'm not

irate

considering it's mostly just me talking about that post being absurd (and it is) but it feels like you're consistently writing me off after I bring the heat which is not a good look imo.

[Blitzo]

Not sure how I feel about Titus tbh.
Titus obviously doesn't care about what's going on but pooky/bm are on it.
What's going on here...

[Blitzo]

Yeah I knew I was forgetting something earlier.
I'm heading to Electrical tonight.
I definitely think we should lim btw.

[Blitzo]

Hold up.
Why am I on that list?
That doesn't make sense.

[Blitzo]

@Gamma - Right...
In other news I agree with Akarin in regards to that MC post.
Taly I think you should elaborate on why MC shouldn't be limmed because that post doesn't mean much on its own.
I know you keep saying you're not convinced by things but really there's a strong lack of initiative here in resolving that and I don't like it.

[Blitzo]

Yeah, what Gamma said.
And also why not BM?
I feel like people are fighting a lot of elims for reasons that aren't particularly clear and I think getting to the bottom of that is important.
Or maybe I'm just overlooking something.
Dnu.

[Blitzo]

I really don't like how Gamma is constantly throwing my name down here.
He says I'm town but I keep showing up in his lim pool, and I have no wagon.
Gamma's play has raised question marks for me before though and wound up being town so maybe wait and see.

[Blitzo]

I don't see the point of withholding it especially since a deadline elim is likely at this point, and people may not be interested in listening at that point.
I can definitely see that point on Gamma - like I said, wait and see.
Why is the Titus wagon bad?
I'm assuming it's because there are a bunch of scummy people on it but I'd like to hear your reasoning.
PEDIT - no I think Gamma is correct calling you out on that tbh.

[Blitzo]

Haschel is definitely questionable too tbh.
Though I don't seem to recall the MC wagon dissipating?
Someone point me out to where that happened please.

[Blitzo]

I don't think anyone has actually come really close to getting limmed so far.
Obviously we have to rectify that soon but I think that needs to be said considering the current conversation.
PEDIT - I'll admit that thread sentiment has played a huge part in pretty much every elim target thus far.
Though, again, we have to rectify that by tomorrow.
Though if Akarin could point out where the wagon went from 6 to 3 I'd be able to look into that but I just can't recall that being the case.

[Blitzo]

Also if you want me to start moving my vote around you have some convincing to do.
Being coy with why I shouldn't vote someone is not going to work here.
PEDIT - Btw are we discussing that super weird conversation earlier?
I remember BM being a part of it but I can't recall who the other participant was.
I can dig it up though I'm sure.
Though I think Gamma may have been the one to initially point it out.

[Blitzo]

Nevermind, I got the conversation you guys are talking about mixed up with a conversation between MC and BM.
If anyone cares, and for my own notes, it was on page 64.
Anyways.
@Akarin - how is it that explaining why you townread someone make you not townread someone anymore?
That doesn't make

any

sense.

[Blitzo]

MC's vote analysis post doesn't really seem to come to any actual conclusions and I have no idea what he was trying to accomplish with it.
I also don't understand BM's statement on how Titus is confscum but I know I'm not getting anything in the way of an explanation.
@Taly - I'm not sure what you mean you're going to create more chaos?
Reads like an excuse to not vote tbh.

[Blitzo]

@MC - okay, let's see it.
BM trying to discredit me here by saying my posts follow a structure is not going to work.
Let's get a lim here plx.

[Blitzo]

I feel like there should be more people here and there aren't.
I don't like that.
PEDIT - the case on titus is that she's lazy and apathetic iirc.
I can see it but there are a bunch of people I don't want to vote with on that wagon which has me hesitant.

[Blitzo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Haschel
I'll be back a few hours before deadline.
It feels like BM isn't going to happen and I'm kind of not really sure why that is?
But I can vote haschel.

[Blitzo]

Can we not not vote people because we can't draw associatives?
I can vote Titus just so we elim.
I really think we should elim.
Also HC only showing up when his neck is on the line is telling imo.
Not sure how BM is vibing with that tbh.
Btw, who said that Akarin is being abrasive?
I don't see that either.
Nor am I sure that it matters.

[Blitzo]

Pooky not being here is definitely suspect.
It fits with his modus operandi from last game of only popping in when his neck was on the line.
It was extremely apparent towards EoD of day 1 and this sort of mirrors that.
Pedit - Okay I guess but is that really a bad thing?
Above @Gamma ofc.
PEDIT 2 - BM that is a blatant misrepresentation of the points I'm making.

[Blitzo]

@MC - I think that our best bet is to elim.
I think giving out all our whereabouts was not a good strategy for a task win.
I've been over this several times at this point.
@BM - nah, akarin asked about pooky and I responded.
Good job reading the thread.

[Blitzo]

I feel like BM is deliberately antagonizing me now.
Anyways.
@Gamma - how exactly?

[Blitzo]

MC dude wtf r u doin?
Gamma is correct.
And I am angry.
I'm expecting taly to come back and vote titus as well if I'm recalling his leave post correctly.

[Blitzo]

@BM you know that isn't correct, I have caught up on basically everything lmao.
I can vote Titus but what's the point if we can't lim someone?
If taly doesn't come back I don't think we can make it happen.

[Blitzo]

Ugh fine.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: titus
Just lim someone I wasted my lunch break trying to make something happen.

[Blitzo]

Akarin is defo town lmao.
Who's plan were you following?
@bm

[Blitzo]

I wound up feeling a bit under the weather so I didn't really pay much attention to this game today, sorry. I'll try to catch up a bit tomorrow.
And Electrical wound up being locked - I couldn't get in so I just wound up going to the room Gamma/Taly/Alisae were in.

[Blitzo]

Ali replacing out is super disjointed from her d1/night play. I know she was lost but that seems off still considering she was still putting a sizable amount of effort into the game and the whole thing just feels super weird. Maestro hasn't really inspired any confidence either thus far.

Can someone explain the townvibes on Titus? I feel like she's had a few token reads and everyone has backed off of her which feels all sorts of nasty.
Plus there's the fact that she wound up being the EoD lim and that completely fell apart without any kind of pushback?

I also don't like reck's post restriction, but I don't think that's enough to warrant a scumread on its own.

There's more stuff I wanted to catch up on but I'm definitely sick so I'm gonna be a bit slower and have less energy than usual. I'll try to keep up to the best of my abilities and should be in thread tomorrow because I definitely think I need to engage some people before voting.

[Blitzo]

Titus giving off more townvibes today than yesterday (0 town vibes).

qft

Okay, and?
I need more than this.

[Blitzo]

Titus giving off more townvibes today than yesterday (0 town vibes).

qft

Okay, and?
I need more than this.

...what? from me?

What are you upto exactly?

No, from BM.
I also don't understand why you are confused about my question? His read is completely unexplained.
Does it not bother you in the slightest that you were nearly limmed in yet everyone has backed off of you for next to no reason?

[Blitzo]

I got confused and mixed up Titus and BM.
BM you need an avi.

[Blitzo]

Titus I just checked your ISO and didn't see a read wall. Point it out to me if I missed it because all I saw were some hot takes of unexplained reads.

[Blitzo]

Titus I just checked your ISO and didn't see a read wall. Point it out to me if I missed it because all I saw were some hot takes of unexplained reads.

That's what I was referring to. Anywhere you agree, disagree, are confused

Then go with "all of them" because just dropping random names and alignments means nothing to me unless it's backed by something.

[Blitzo]

I mean I need reasons for things.
Like...I can't do anything with random names and alignments. I need more.

[Blitzo]

Of course you can do something. You can highlight which reads stand out and ask why I feel that way.

I don't understand how I haven't done this?
I also don't understand what's so hard to get about what I'm asking you.
Why is it so hard to get you to explain your reads?

vote scumaestro

Ok Barbie
Let's go party



I'll look at Murdercat's ISO of Taly ere too long
Does TGP have any actual reasoning? (nope, just wrong)

Blitzo, why did you not have a read on Alisae, prior to the getgo?
You seem to waffle harder than a toasted golden Eggo

I thought ali was sort of townie, hence why I joined that room at night after Electrical was locked.
Though I think my recent catchup post is enough to explain why my read is so waffly at this time - her persona doesn't really match her actions with what I saw beforehand.

[Blitzo]

Maestro may be scum but not interested in eliming that today
Want to get real content out of the slot post PR tomorrow

Hold on, what? Why?
Maestro's PR isn't even that bad, not like reck's.

[Blitzo]

think titus town

Why?

I’m just kinda watching the MCat-Titus interaction with a bowl of popcorn rn

Yeah mostly.

[Blitzo]

I'me lurkinge thise oute
Soe, like, ife you're expectinge me toe towne spewe ine ye olde english, ain'te happeninge.

lol
No.
VOTE: bell

Ugh a wall... I will get to this asap

Just an fyi that it'd be much appreciated if you did something similar.

[Blitzo]

Is that a lim?

[Blitzo]

Nevermind, it's not - OWER just got his numbers mixed up.

[Blitzo]

This back and forth is hilarious.

[Blitzo]

Taly, serious question - does your PR say you have to blue up quotes as well?

[Blitzo]

that Blitzo misjudged E-1 vote looked at least as bad as Reck's actually.

Gotta keep your options open somehow, don't you?

[Blitzo]

I considered voting BM for his most recent comment but it feels like a throwaway vote right now.
I'm still okay voting Bell as well tbh. If he somehow produces something then that's all well and good but this whole "I'm gonna do nothing" angle is not going to work for me.
Also I think people hopping on reck here is somehow not the best - reck is actually trying to make things work despite his PR whereas pooky has completely fallen off. I think pooky should be looked into

way

more than reck and I think a lot of people gave him a pass for day 1 for reasons I'm still not certain of.

[Blitzo]

UNVOTE:
suddenly feeling uncomfortable with Bell elim

I feel safe going with the Cat to Comms tonight

I'd actually like to know why to either of these things?
And I'd also like to know who your alternative vote is and why that's better than Bell.

[Blitzo]

What is up with the sheer number of people clearing people based on the fact that scum didn't use an extra nk on them?
You guys realize that scum instadies if they try that with the current plan, right?

[Blitzo]

/shrug
There's a reasonable chance he's scum here but I really cba dealing with this noise rn when Bell is just sitting there, doing nothing.
It doesn't even really seem like there's a reason to get cold feet on Bell here either tbh.

[Blitzo]

You guys realize that scum instadies if they try that with the current plan, right?

Titus and HC both had outs though because we wouldn't have known where they went
(HC for not claiming and Titus for being kicked)

It's definitely still possible one or more is scum but I think Occam's Razor says it makes them more likely to be town.

Sure, maybe.
Except when someone dies and you realize that everyone is accounted for, you just lim the people who are unaccounted and you hit scum.
So they don't have a choice because they're the only ones left - even if they claim another room, everyone just accounts for where everyone else is and they're left in the cold by PoE.

It's the same concept where you don't see scum instaclaiming cop guilties just to get townies limmed - it does nothing.

[Blitzo]

/shrug
There's a reasonable chance he's scum here but I really cba dealing with this noise rn when Bell is just sitting there, doing nothing.
It doesn't even really seem like there's a reason to get cold feet on Bell here either tbh.

lol if you're scum here, you're the worst how you make it to Day 3 with a strategy of "I'll just act really confused about everything that happens", I can't believe

Well.
You have no actual reasoning outside of the fact that I've suspected you since day 1, you don't explain your reads and take baseless potshots at me every other page.
If you really want to figure me out or ask some questions or do something remotely towny, go ahead.

Otherwise...Keep doing you I guess.

[Blitzo]

You guys realize that scum instadies if they try that with the current plan, right?

Titus and HC both had outs though because we wouldn't have known where they went
(HC for not claiming and Titus for being kicked)

It's definitely still possible one or more is scum but I think Occam's Razor says it makes them more likely to be town.

Sure, maybe.
Except when someone dies and you realize that everyone is accounted for, you just lim the people who are unaccounted and you hit scum.
So they don't have a choice because they're the only ones left - even if they claim another room, everyone just accounts for where everyone else is and they're left in the cold by PoE.

It's the same concept where you don't see scum instaclaiming cop guilties just to get townies limmed - it does nothing.

i have insta-claimed cop guilties as scum before.

This is a pretty drastic misrepresentation of the point I was making.

[Blitzo]

Still sick unfortunately. Mostly just checking in at this point.
I didn't really see much to comment on in the brief skim of things that I missed, which was only like 1 or 2 pages.

[Blitzo]

I'll be catching up in a little bit.
BM's statement in that he clarifies his vote on me as "without much fanfare" is pretty inaccurate from what I recall - his push at that time seemed extremely obtuse and he still didn't have much of a reason for it even when pressed by other players iirc. Even then it seems like his vote has nothing behind it. I'm completely lost as to how to even engage this at this point so what gives?

Though I guess "without much fanfare" also means that it's a push that he agrees is bad but still wants it anyways?
Some weird cogdis going on there and I don't like it - I also don't like how I can't engage him on anything and it seems like he's more content twisting my words than figuring me out. Alternatively maybe I'm reading into it too much but it doesn't really matter since he basically won't talk to me at all so there's that.

It seems like he's 100% tunneled on me and I'm not sure what else can really be said about it or to him at this point - if he's somehow town here this is some pretty poor play on his end.

[Blitzo]

There's actually not a lot of things to catch up on I suppose.
I can confirm that Titus/Maestro/me were in Electrical last night. I also recall our group was supposed to be bigger than that but it wasn't for whatever reason?
Can someone explain to me how the room locking thing works? I thought it only locked people out of rooms.

I think my top vote right now is probably TGP for being lazy and scummy.
I also think my reads here are a little skewed because I still have like 4 or 5 people I want to lim but there's obviously no way they can all be mafia. I may have to reassess here and I'm not sure how to do it yet.

[Blitzo]

lol @ TGP replacing out.
I was busy with holiday stuff today but I'll be around tomorrow.

[Blitzo]

@Taly - I don't think that's accurate, actually - I don't think BM is universally scumread and I did mention that it might be time for me to reassess some of my reads, so I'd like to know where this comes from? That seems kind of inaccurate, and I can think of several people offhand that don't agree with my assessment.

I'm not necessarily opposed to an HC lim but there are some sus people on that wagon.
Also maestro having a completely different post restriction that windowsxp is super odd and kind of coincides with that slot having issues with congruency (re - ali replacing out despite being incredibly active in game and at night) and it's super jarring.
And pooky
I definitely want people to remind me what their reads on BM are at this point, simply because of what Taly said and for my own notes in terms of possibly reassessing some things.

[Blitzo]

I want this windowsxp/taly thing to happen, let's see if that goes somewhere.
Alternatively I could just trust in Titus and hop on the HC wagon of justice. Dnu.
I'll probably be even more active the closer to the holidays we get simply because I won't have to work as much. I think I'd prefer to take my time voting right now.

Pedit - maestro post next to nothing today and wasn't following any kind of post restriction. Now you come in with one that doesn't match his posting at all. I also think checking your prior slot and checking with the mod would be among one of your first priorities but somehow that hasn't happened?
As for sus people, I don't trust pooky (and haven't for some time) and mastina also replaced into a rather suspect slot.
OWER has fallen off quite a bit as well and I lumped him and bell together some time ago, which could mean quite a bit. I also don't recall him falling off this hard in our last game together.

Obviously I have too many scumreads and need to get to work on narrowing them down.

[Blitzo]

I also think it's super weird that you would call me out for the very thing you pointed out yourself? That seems extremely arbitrary.
I also think that whatever your buddy theory is is sort of absurd, though if you really want me somewhere we can make it happen if everyone knows where we are. I think that's fine as long as we follow the plan accordingly (or if more people show up.)
What is your read on BM?

Pedit - yeah whatever, if you're just going to shut down as soon as I start talking to you then you can just be scum I guess.

[Blitzo]

OK so

im going back to the 300 word thing bc i have new info that my task is still doable, bc good faith counts etc 1 slip up doesnt = insta fail

Just a heads up: I'm not going to fail a task for a single missed post but I'm not going to be super lenient either. Basically try to do your tasks if you slip up once or twice that might be ok, but not if you're consistently not doing it

i thought it was over bc of maestro's one post, its not a full do it or fail sort of thing


blitzo the way ur shading me is literally so scummy pls stop. im an obvtown slot.

BM is in my PoE rn but they're naturally scummy wrt playstyle, used that to my advantage when i rolled scum against them in a game.



if u really think im scum for pushing on u for using moonlogic to shade me then thats wild.

like.

u came at my slot saying im inconsistent so i come and tell u to elaborate and its revealed u just straight up are doing it in bad faith. u either didnt read what i had to say about my tasks or you're just intent on discrediting me. (seeing as you have not played with me you dont know that its dangerous to go after me (: )

ur literally only able to shade ppl.

what about ppl u were in PTs with? who was in ur N1 and N2 chat? whats ur read on them?

i really did feel u were town bc u seemed genuine about the electrical thing, but perhaps u had planned it as a sorta pseduoclear and to spread out and gain info. part of the reason i wanted u to be with me for tasks was precisely because of the fact that i had a slight tinfoil on you and now this current posting puts it into better perspective.

i dont think you are interested in reading me as town at all. you came in just to call me scummy. because you dont want to PoE to disfavor you.

You're speaking in vague terms in your last post and its concerning because it feels really flaily. what am i calling you out for that i poiinted out? whats arbitrary about it? these are just things scum say to discredit a valid argument.

Its fucking obvious that maestro tried to do a task on d2 which was to make rhymes. (specifically couplets) bc of admin. now its for electrical which is the 300 word thingy.

god i kinda wish that my task was guaranteed failed bc it would have been easier to break this shit up into so many smaller posts.

guarantee u if i was scum i wouldnt try to pretend like my task was still real bc this is genuinely like discomforting for me.

Well.
I feel like you mentioning something and then me mentioning the same thing and then you calling me out for said thing seems a little arbitrary. Does OMGUS play a role in your opinion of that or is there something else that I can engage there?

Honestly I kinda feel like the majority of your opinions here are driven almost solely by OMGUS which, while not inherently scummy (because I do it literally all the time) but it seems like that's just kind of it? Do you have anything else behind this that I can engage or is this all I'm looking forward to?
I also fail to see the points you're raising on PoE? Or the points you're making on "bad faith." I don't really follow what you're trying to do here or what you're trying to say? Can you elaborate?
As for my other reads, I was with taly/gamma/alisae on n1 and felt like it was one of the townier cells, albeit I was mostly forced there due to Electrical being locked.
Alisae replaced out shortly afterwards which felt sort of disjointed with what I was seeing beforehand.
On n2 I was with maestro/Titus. I expected more people in that group apparently the rest of the people that were supposed to be in Electrical were locked out. I stand by the fact that whatever can be said in cells can be said in game and don't regret not posting much there.

I will concede that maestro posting only once shouldn't have impacted my read. I thought I remembered him posting more than he did but I didn't do my research beforehand, so yes, I will concede that that isn't a good point.

PEDIT - OWER I was talking about you in my n1 cell. I mentioned both you and bell had strong openers and fell off.

Oh and one more thought for winxp - what is "juice?"

[Blitzo]

Prod acknowledged, will be on tonight after work.

[Blitzo]

@winxp - townlean, and I didn't really feel like talking n2 and realized that the private chats disappear after use.
I think I'd prefer the pooky wagon to the HC wagon, if only because I like the composition slightly better.

Also taly replacing out is kind of annoying.

[Blitzo]

Been busy due to holidays, catching up tonight.

[Blitzo]

Look at this point I'll hammer anybody at L-1 because this day huffs nards and I'm at the point of just dreading checking the game thread

Yeah.

[Blitzo]

if Flea flips scum SirCakez is very suspicious of Battle Mage's defense here
feels like Bell 2.0

lol Battle Mage wonders whether SirCakez really believes he is the most 1-dimensional transparent scum who just sits around ineffectually but conspicuously defending my buddies.

Battle Mage remembers the last game he saw SirCakez as scum, and can believe that this is how SirCakez would play.

Is there anything backing this up or are you just OMGUS'ing people again?

[Blitzo]

I can vote any of flea/hc/pooky.
Pooky is really only popping in when convenient which is exactly what he did in that last game.
HC is still scummy regardless of the case tbh - can easily be a bus, especially since some of the flea votes are kinda bad.

The pooky wagon probably isn't that likely to happen which is fine for right now I suppose.

[Blitzo]

It also seems kinda bad to base a case off of someone dropping off during the holidays, but if you're insisting on throwing your vote away over next to nothing then hooray for you.
I'll check where votes are at in the morning and go wherever is necessary to make a lim happen.

[Blitzo]

I'm here.

[Blitzo]

/shrug
If nobody is announcing it then neither am I. No way we coordinate at this point.

[Blitzo]

Intent to hammer.

[Blitzo]

I feel like I should let everyone know I'm about to end the day. Does anyone care if I just vote?

[Blitzo]

thanks for modding shea. looks like a lot of work. sorry i trolled you so hard <3

town rocked this so hard 0 misyeets so beautiful :3

Tbf that's only because our other scummates decided not to lim Titus.

[Blitzo]

Did it though? I still don't feel like your case was particularly strong and I kinda feel like I died simply because you had a role that could stop me.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's just my take.

[Blitzo]

Did it though? I still don't feel like your case was particularly strong and I kinda feel like I died simply because you had a role that could stop me.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's just my take.

i mean there was that but i was not ceasing my push onto you.

Yeah we didn't doubt that one bit.

[Blitzo]

well its not fun when SOMEONE keeps sabotaging them

[Blitzo]

I didn't know how else to play my position
I didn't want to bus Blitzo or Flea but events happened that made it impossible not to

You were bussing me since d1.
I get that towncred is really intoxicating and that town played well but there was so much wiggle room for what scum could have done this game. It felt like our team just kept shooting themselves in the foot for no reason over and over, and it's hard to stay motivated when the team insists on making things worse for no gain.

[Blitzo]

I also strongly disagree with the concept of deep wolf - though I also value bussing and limming scum way less than a number of players so maybe that's just me.

[Blitzo]

Blitzo ftr if you had spoken up about it I would have been open to taking the kill
It's just something I wasn't thinking about

Like all I said was "can you submit the kill" and you said sure

Yeah that was my bad as well - I thought I actually pushed back on this way harder for some reason but I guess I didn't. Idk I thought it was more obvious than it was I guess.
I definitely should have pushed back on that idk why I let myself get pushed into doing it.

[Blitzo]

I'm actually sorta embarrassed now.
I think I might have felt kind of oppressed considering how much pressure I was under? But you're definitely not wrong.

[Blitzo]

Yeah that's kinda embarrassing.
I thought I pushed back and I didn't.
Oops.