Among Us Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright. I wanna start off with an RQS this game. Questions are as follows:

1) what power role have you not been that you want to try out, and why? Don’t factor in your current role, answer this question assuming you are vanilla this game.
2) If you were scum, who would be your a) D1 miselim push, b) N1 kill, and c) partner you’d want to bus you and go to the end, given each person was the correct alignment for that specific action?
3) What is your skill with mechanic-heavy setups? If you’re not skilled at them, do you intend to get better with practice or rely on others?
4) What is your favorite candy?
5) What would you say is your biggest strength and biggest weakness as town/scum/in general?

My answers:
1) I kinda want to be a Motion Detector once. It seems like an interesting role wrt using well.
2) I’d probably push Blitzo, kill Titus, and have Reck bus me.
3) I am decent with them, but don’t always keep the public information in my head like I should.
4) Sour Patch Fruits are my favorite but they’re hard to find, so Mike and Ike’s are my candy of choice most of the time.
5) I am good at sounding natural, but my charisma is lacking, in general.

[Gamma Emerald]

Some people misunderstood 2c
I was asking who you wanted to bus YOU, not who you wanted to bus

[Gamma Emerald]

I also want to claim that my post restrictions aren't so bad. Like I could have a pretty much normal day while adhering to them both days, just might say some slightly weird stuff.

I've already broken both of my task post restrictions ୧(=ʘ͡ᗜʘ͡=)୨

it probably only counts once you've done the task

Yeah mine requires me to go to my location first

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I think groups of 3 should work for trying to keep scum from killing
Maybe have 2 groups of 2 to deal with the last one tonight?

[Gamma Emerald]

Does anyone have post restrictions that will really strongly impair playing the game as normal on later days?

It depends on how everyone else plays early on

[Gamma Emerald]

How do scum “take” tasks

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay
So that only happens once people die
It looks like everyone has 1 or 2 to start so everyone who started with 1 should be in the the initial pool of people taking tasks?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: gamma saw him vent

We have a winner y’all
TGP gets a free pass to D2

[Gamma Emerald]

should we all claim task number? i see no reason not to

I have 2

I think it helps with allocating dead tasks so yeah
I have 1

[Gamma Emerald]

4->3->3 will mean all the rooms get visited at least once and each time it is visited there r lots of people in the rooms so no bonus NK for mafia?

Mafia get a NK if in a room with town
As such I’d prefer we keep groups as small as possible. Groups of 2 would be good but idk if that’s ENTIRELY feasible

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh I just reread the kill rules and buddy system is good for catching scum potentially but maybe scum have a tool against it? I’m curious whether being in a room with multiple scum would allow them to still kill

[Gamma Emerald]

should we all claim task number? i see no reason not to

I have 2

I think it helps with allocating dead tasks so yeah
I have 1

electric?

Weapons

[Gamma Emerald]

idk about y'all but both my tasks require specific posts so i think we should try to restrict postcount in later days and focus on thought-out, task checked walls

*looks at condo prices in dead thread*

What’s with the condo stuff

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, I don't know how to get through to you all that hedging all of our bets on Task Completion and almost entirely ignoring traditional scumhunting is bad in a closed setup and the people who are pushing No Elim are probably scum.

You’re probably right but there’s time for doing both (probably)

[Gamma Emerald]

Hol up got something I wanna do

[Gamma Emerald]

This post has been blanked by the mod since it was clearly intended for a different game.

[Gamma Emerald]

i'm not claiming jack shit hell fucking no

y'all have fun w/out me

Ew
Also, I think murder is town rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't see the need to claim them today, personally. I think this can wait for a few days and we can just make groups today so no one is isolated.

Yeah I don’t think every absolutely has to claim first thing AS LONG AS they are still willing to go in groups

[Gamma Emerald]

we can leash without a massclaim no @pooky?

Yeah Cakez is town

[Gamma Emerald]

oh, not eliminating anyone to give us time to do tasks is pretty smart actually? i think?

How’d you know that came up?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma

Is there any sort of thing we can say that would help you with future post restrictions? A list of quotable sentences?

Ignore this if you aren't allowed to say.

Honestly if everyone just posts a few larger content posts I should be fine.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: no elim

VOTE: no elim

i'm on the board

We should NOT do this at this exact moment RCE if it is the plan. That’s how a lot of games on my homesite go south.

[Gamma Emerald]

RCE = even

[Gamma Emerald]

so if we just NK then we're losing two people each cycle to scum kills anyway

WE???

[Gamma Emerald]

wait a sec
there are 10 rooms
how can we guarantee groups of 3 or more in each room each night?

Tbh I’m confused how YOU'RE confused. You’re the one that RAN The Thing Mafia.

[Gamma Emerald]

i lik

Alright. I wanna start off with an RQS this game. Questions are as follows:

1) what power role have you not been that you want to try out, and why? Don’t factor in your current role, answer this question assuming you are vanilla this game.
2) If you were scum, who would be your a) D1 miselim push, b) N1 kill, and c) partner you’d want to bus you and go to the end, given each person was the correct alignment for that specific action?
3) What is your skill with mechanic-heavy setups? If you’re not skilled at them, do you intend to get better with practice or rely on others?
4) What is your favorite candy?
5) What would you say is your biggest strength and biggest weakness as town/scum/in general?

1)

MASONS. Masons.

2)

ehhh idk I'd ride the thread out a good bit on this one for that D1 mislim. I'd probably NK

Ali

because I don't know how similar their town and scumgames are but they seem to like power a lot. Me no like bussing and me not smart to think of which scumteam I'd ruin this plist in but being aligned with

Titus

is always fun, right?

3)

[redacted]

4)

im mid range with mechanics.... people in this plist will think 2-3 steps ahead of me... even though i usually feel good about what i want to do.

5)

nah

ok actually reading through thread now

p-edit

but what i WANT explained 100% right now is, why no lim? or would this explanation defeat the point?

Idk why but messing with the questions like this feels towny

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: gamma saw him vent

VOTE: TGP

Why are you voting the person with the pass?

[Gamma Emerald]

it doesnt matter if someone needs to be in a room two nights in a row. the point of leashing the entire PL is that nobody can wander off and kill you when u r in that room alone on night 2

I think if we're mostly no lynching, it might not be terrible to allow an opportunity for scum to kill an extra player to be created. We're trading a town for a mafia.
I need to think on it some more though and I might also be missing a detail.

I think we should consider that if the numbers get close

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: gamma saw him vent

VOTE: TGP

Why are you voting the person with the pass?

Because they wanted the pass.

Is that scummy? I said I’d do it in the sign ups so it’d be neutral to do.

What's the point of RQS if you're not going to comment on the answers?

I demand validation!

I will, but I wanna do it in a big response to everyone. I’m trying to see if I can’t do the approach one of my homesite friends does for RQS.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think allowing the opportunity for scum to get an extra kill is important
we also shouldn't be sending anyone that's too important if we do try to create opportunities for scum to kill. Town can benefit off of a townie that needs to be sorted dieing.

I'm not sure on this though.

Yeah when I proposed the buddy system I wasn’t factoring in that scum had a vanilla NK too
I think the optimal move would just be towny people with other towny people, and vice versa. Essentially play this like a dance game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Both alignments don’t wanna get limmed. Why’s scum more likely to snap that up?
I like you’re trying to sort it though.

[Gamma Emerald]

[quote="In post 210, Flea The Magician"][/quote]
Why didn’t you press Flea on the vote, Akarin?

[Gamma Emerald]

Fuck my quote broke but at least the post link is there

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Pooky

Pooky/Alisae are scum.

Immediately trying to get town to divulge all the information scum could possibly want, pushing NE's so they don't have to face any possible pressure, and distracting town away from actual scumhunting with our alternate win condition.

All of this is a favorable game-state for scum, not town. Town should want the locations they have to go to be secret so that scum can't plan where they're going without making reads (outside of circumstances were Town should want to team up with other Town in a hood.) Town should want scum elims for obvious reasons AND to reduce likelihood of the big scary extra kill. Town will still want regular elims for the reasons we always want regular elims. Tasks become distributable anyways when they die and we can push the public tasks to people who are widely TR'd and already going to the same location (which would be a scenario we'd actually want to have people claiming tasks.)

Thank you for coming to my TED talk. Please stop falling for scum ploys to give them a favorable gamestate.

How do YOU know what scum wants? Also we want SCUM to take tasks, not town, so suggesting obvtown take them is a horrible move.

[Gamma Emerald]

Flea had the same intent. Why is it deifferent if it comes after? That seems a bit dishonest to push one and not the other.

[Gamma Emerald]

So in theory it seems all tasks are a post restriction of some sort, I'd expect them all to be "short" style tasks.

O2 and Reactor MUST BE FIXED or imposters win.
Comms would be a global post restriction maybe?
Lights might hide kills?

...

What good can

possibly

come from this line of discussion?

Bit sensitive are we?

[Gamma Emerald]

Flea had the same intent. Why is it deifferent if it comes after? That seems a bit dishonest to push one and not the other.

Flea did a big catchup post, if they really cared about getting the pass from you that much they could have just made that joke before doing it.

That checks out actually. Time would have been of the essence.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I think groups of 3 should work for trying to keep scum from killing
Maybe have 2 groups of 2 to deal with the last one tonight?

Honestly this seems like a very solid plan
2/4 scummiest players pair off into 1/2 rooms, the rest go in groups of three. This handles any size amount of people going into a night phase.

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw what’s the table looking like rn

[Gamma Emerald]

How do scum “take” tasks

In retrospect this question was stupid but my eyes were glazing over when I first read that part of the setup

[Gamma Emerald]

i think it's most likely that Alisae is town and Titus is scum. Akarin town, Pooky town, Cakez town.

Why Titus scum? The other reads are good.

[Gamma Emerald]

What’s with the condo stuff

It's a clever way to say that Titus and I are gunna get yeeted to the dead thread. Titus because she doesn't want to RQS, me because I'm incapable of restricting my post count.

Why would Titus get yeeted for not doing RQS

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, I don't know how to get through to you all that hedging all of our bets on Task Completion and almost entirely ignoring traditional scumhunting is bad in a closed setup and the people who are pushing No Elim are probably scum.

Agree but disagree that the people pushing no elim are scum. Except cake who is scum.

Actually Cakez is one of the townier players so far.

[Gamma Emerald]

I've got a long task

These should be made clear in the table probably

[Gamma Emerald]

We also win when all the scum are dead tho.
Or we could handicap scum by hitting them early and make task completion easier/viable.
We can't do that with a no elim.

Unless someone obv scums we probably shouldn’t attempt this.
(That’s also kinda the philosophy on my homesite)

[Gamma Emerald]

Hot take: The entire scum team hasn’t claimed locations yet because they are waiting to figure out what to do.

i am literally not claiming locations or tasks today so yeet me or stop blustering

Will you at least go where you’re told? You don’t need to come forward with everything yet but if you’re not gonna claim your locations you’re gonna be at the mercy of everyone else’s needs for where you go tonight.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, I don't know how to get through to you all that hedging all of our bets on Task Completion and almost entirely ignoring traditional scumhunting is bad in a closed setup and the people who are pushing No Elim are probably scum.

You’re probably right but there’s time for doing both (probably)

We can balance both but my problem and the reason I've reacted so violently to this is that Alisae/Pooky/Cakez pushed this plan immediately, start of D1 when we are with no information.

I don't know how I'm supposed to read that as anything but a scum ploy.

Like:

we can always swing to scumhunting if the task plan isn't working...

this should be our plan when Town has finally caught up in the deficit of information. Not start of D1 let's do it go go go

I mean it could be? The Thing Mafia had I think 2 separate scum running the plan that game (Andrius and Wraith iirc). But there is still the ability to sort while the plan gets figured out. Also Cakez’s skeptical nature leading into a wary following is like, pure town behavior.

[Gamma Emerald]

if it fits with where i want to go, sure

See, you can’t do this and NOT claim your locations. Either you claim your locations so that can be factored in or you do what you’re told. Do NOT do what I did in The Thing Mafia if you’re town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wraith was town Gamma
It was Magna and EP pulling the strings

Well Andrius was posting one of the plans and was scum (but that doesn’t preclude the plans being made by those two in the scum PT)

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: reckoner
Nah, not letting you act like you’re willing to play ball and then try to run away with it when you realize you have to play fair

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh actually if Reck is the ONLY loose cannon we still have little to worry about?
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

i've come to the conclusion that no eliminating is not a good idea. the simple reason is that we NEED a scumflip. like alisae said, we want to know what alignment wants what in terms of original setup, and thus no eliminating denies us a scumflip and provides us with no way out if our mechanical plan fails for any one of a myriad of reasons.

I like this post

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly, I'd try for pairs. We know if one dies, the other is imposter.

I think we can get more done operating in pairs and getting tasks done than having larger groups.

This does assume all kills are announced, but treat it like lovers maybe? If one dies, make sure their partner is eliminated.

Best of both worlds I guess?

Scum have a vanilla NK so we want obvtown paired together in this case so they can’t have it be hard to tell who was the extra kill (unless they want to play super suboptimally and kill TWO less townread players)

[Gamma Emerald]

So we are going to need everyone to claim rooms... this is going to be interesting. And I don't like it :/

Here’s the thing with this and why Reck being the lone loose cannon isn’t a problem. If the groups are done right either Reck joins a room that already had a good number of people, or he is STUCK BY HIMSELF WITH ABSOLUTELY NO COMPANY. AKA HE STILL CANNOT KILL ANYONE EXTRA.

[Gamma Emerald]

every one of your complaints has to do with solving this game by killing the bad guys

im proposing we solve the game by just doing all the tasks as quickly and efficiently as possible.

And I've said, 1000 times and I'll keep saying it:

Trying to win off solely off mech in a closed setup is setting up town for failure

You are setting up town for failure

You are scum.

Actual last post, I'm going to log off and wait for others because I'm sure others are not happy with me spamming shit up.

We don’t know it’s guaranteed to fail, only scum would.

[Gamma Emerald]

MC sell me on these reads you had earlier. Also tell me who you want to wagon right now and if you're willing to join me on a Pooky wagon.

It seems like the most relevant one is Pooky, who I think is starting the game more closely to how he did in death curse than in 2170. I'm not gonna like hard commit to anything though

Okay yeah Pooky locktown
Pooky’s early game is like his most readable, but the thing is my methods absolutely will not work even if my current meta line of thought on him is right because of the type of game this is (also fuck off Reck I know you dislike meta but it IS useful and you’re an old crab)

[Gamma Emerald]

MC do I need to write a 10 page dissertation on why No Elim and not voting is pretty dumb in this game in order to convince you

Honestly with the among us theme it’s be more on brand for the no elim D1 to happen and for it to pay out.

[Gamma Emerald]

oh, not eliminating anyone to give us time to do tasks is pretty smart actually? i think?

How’d you know that came up?

And yeah why the fuck are you okay with the no elim but not the plan portion?
VOTE: Reckoner
TGP you had a point about looking at who supported what.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also reminding people Reck scumslipped in a post

[Gamma Emerald]

Why

[Gamma Emerald]

I think multiple doggos are green

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s the 2020 town winning strategy

[Gamma Emerald]

Also reminding people Reck scumslipped in a post

Which post was the scumslip? Are you talking about 121?

no it was a longer one
he said "we nk" in a way that looks like he wrote up the post in the scum PT and left that in accidentally.

[Gamma Emerald]

Experience. Educated Guessing. Common Sense. All things that let me figure out what scum would probably want to do.

The scum taking tasks things sounds nice in theory but in reality your essentially hoping you guessed right on alignment with no flip (and if the person who takes them isn't scum and doesn't have a task in the same location as the task your taking your only further tanking efficiency, not increasing it.)

Sure you can get close to what scum might want but the only way to be sure is to be scum yourself. So don't act like you're the smart one because that makes you look informed. And just because we might not be able to get scum to take a task doesn't mean we should saddle the most likely people to be town with them. Like your suggestion is the dumbest idea so far, sorry to say.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are we voting BM?

[Gamma Emerald]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORNIN CREW!

I think Flea is town
(for the entire post, not just the explicitly quoted part, I just took the top)

[Gamma Emerald]

I probably would vote Gamma - those Reck votes are the first thing to really ping me this game

Why

[Gamma Emerald]

Caaaaakez you're not trying to fish an easy miselim like in Cards of Destiny are youuuuuu?

[Gamma Emerald]

Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

why
tbh Titus' reads seem sensible

[Gamma Emerald]

oh, not eliminating anyone to give us time to do tasks is pretty smart actually? i think?

How’d you know that came up?

And yeah why the fuck are you okay with the no elim but not the plan portion?
VOTE: Reckoner
TGP you had a point about looking at who supported what.

i see you're quoting your previous post asking me a question which i've already responded to in order to feign some "growth" in read on me, very nice job gamma emerald, it almost seems authentic and human!

i'm okay with the no elim because the reason you usually DON'T NoLim is bc the only mechanism town has to achieve victory is via eliminating scum.
this game is different. there's no imperative to eliminate scum. there's just an imperative to eventually get all tasks done. that's why limming isn't necessarily

Okay but you are objecting to the current plan the seek the task win, WITHOUT proposing your own. What is YOUR plan to get a task victory?

[Gamma Emerald]

Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

why
tbh Titus' reads seem sensible

BM is playing to town meta

I think this is legitimately wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll point out before I start writing up that other post that I did say No Elim on D2 would be good option. I think there will be a place for No Elim this game.

Just not D1.

Wait I did say that

i'm losing my fucking mind, I think.

OK I think OWER is town for realz

[Gamma Emerald]

Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

why
tbh Titus' reads seem sensible

BM is playing to town meta

I think this is legitimately wrong

What distinguishes the two?

@SirCakez this is to you as well.

In a sentence, town BM is more chaotic. I don't sense the same sort of chaotic town!BM vibe I normally get.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cakez, why were you ISOing Gamma if you're concerned about the Titus wagon being scum-driven?

tbh I am concerned about the number of people who said Titus would be their N1 in addition to the amount of people pushing Titus

[Gamma Emerald]

I will admit I'm paranoid players like Reck are playing up their oppositionalness to everything to skate by

btw pls don't blanket TR opposition because I correctly SRed DiamondSentinel for trying to push cabd in smoke filled antechamber but got written off because "why would scum be so confrontational"

also side note, this game is actually going at a pleasant pace rn
please don't spoil it by getting into a dumb 1v1

[Gamma Emerald]

right now im thinking

we do

3 to a room for 5 roomes
2 people solo (they don't say where they go)

if there's a bonus NK it has to be in a room where 2 scum - 1 town were

hence we get a double guilty.

Thoughts?

wait did we figure out the answer to that question I posed before

[Gamma Emerald]

BM is lurk fuck as scum and actually plays as town

Can his lurksackness be attributed to real life?

@Gamma, What do you mean by chaotic versus not chaotic?

Town BM is active not just in posts, but in how vocal he is about stuff, he drives the game and kinda creates disorder in doing so
Here I don't see that same drive from him, so far I've just seen him talking about his task a bunch

tbh I am concerned about the number of people who said Titus would be their N1 in addition to the amount of people pushing Titus

Were you keeping a list of people's response posts?

Any overlap in the two?

I haven't actively compiled the responses but there practically has to be overlap given the volume of people who said it to my recollection
once I see if blitzo did it or not I'll compile jsyk

[Gamma Emerald]

why is murdercatto not tryharding this game?

highly susp

I just had a game where mcat turned on the jets a little later
so like, I think him doing it again is sensible given how that other game worked out

[Gamma Emerald]

Cakez has been defending bm

[Gamma Emerald]

Ya I want some Chaos
I trust you to create that environment

You're town, Pooky is town, that's what I got so far.

why only this >:/

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe I feel like this just comes from this expectation I have that Titus would play a bigger part than she currently has? I feel like this is just the root of my worries atm.
I also feel like she might have added a bit more to the mech talk but I'm not 100% on this.

Titus is on record as disliking d1, which as much as it initially struck me as confusing when she started saying that, it does make sense as why she'd not be very driven today. Titus just seems like a late-game powerhouse player

[Gamma Emerald]

maybe I should just leave Titus on the backburner tbh.
Early Game Titus is way harder to read then Late Game Titus

good post

Spoiler:

@Reck

- who feels like scum who is going along with/wants the massclaim plan

i'm about to head into a flurry of meetings so quoting this as something i want to respond to and not breeze past when i'm out

right so, i think titus is town. yes that's partially bc they defended me lightly. i am v susceptible to that. i also think GE is town just misguided.
flea's contributions and setup spec come from a similar place where mine does, so i think flea is probably town too?

these are all very early reads that will evolve

that would leave the scum on the "massclaim" wagon being somewhere among like... alisae, battlemage, murdercat, pooky, cakez, tgp? not all of them obvs but at least one IMO.

of those im probably the most sus of murdercat rn. the way they were like "lol we're giving scum too much info but eyyy it's ok" really rubbed me the wrong way. like if you're town and think this plan is bad, why are you passively agreeing to it/going along with it/not stopping it?

cakez is #2 for me bc of the way they're playing around the idea... like, cakez is on board and agreeing with the massclaim plan, but then simultaneously like, attacking gamma emerald for voting me for NOT going along with the plan. it looks like cakez could just be trying to stir shit up to make sure as many people as possible look sus but i don't think it's internally consistent logically.

akarin is actually pinging me as slightly scummy? i can't put my finger on it, so call it gut for now, but something ab the way she's contributing to the discussion seems very much like LAMIST and not actual mechsolving or scumhunting.

bell is also sitting in the scummy column for me rn. i read bell's posts about setup spec/mechs as someone who has extra info but is pretending they don't. i wish i could exactly explain it. just... the attitude/tone of the posts. it raised my eyebrow and hey it's something.

idk what dgb is doing. or taly.

outworlder came in and like, has v interesting interactions with cakez and murdercat and akarin, all of whom ping me as scum as well. so im either deep in the pocket of scum mindset or outworlder is coming at it from the same place i am (ie town)

somehow this response post became a wall of reads but gun to my head it's like

TOWN

titus, gammaem, flea, outworlder*

AT LEAST ONE SCUM

alisae, battlemage, murdercat, pooky, cakez, tgp

SOME BIG NULL PILE SOMEWHERE

dgb, taly, blitzo, haschel

SCUMMY OUTSIDE OF MASSCLAIM BULLSHIT

murdercat, akarin, bell

so basically like over half the game is in my uh oh pile right now and i need to work on getting it down

quick q: do you think scum are more likely to actively develop the plan or follow it
also you have 2 murdercat instances in the reads, was that intended

[Gamma Emerald]

you guys should definitely do all the posting done today you want to do

cuz tommorrow is going to be comically badly post restricted lolol

nobody fuck up their tasks pls

can we finish the massclaim and go to night then? seems like we're not achieving much else.

literally the opposite of what pooky said
also, bad post

[Gamma Emerald]

wait r we going to compete to see who has the worst post restriction

i got one that makes me post in rhyming couplets

i dont even know what rhyming couplets are.

just stay alert
don't drop your guard
you might get hurt
if i tunnel you hard

this is rather wrong
it's much like a song
each odd and even line
must have a rhyme to be fine

[Gamma Emerald]

ok lol nvm

[Gamma Emerald]

I was working on my big excel sheet of mech spec

owo what's this

[Gamma Emerald]

There is way too much pointless drivel right now.
Not sure how I feel about it either, considering how big the game is.
I might start perusing that group instead.

preaching to the crowd pal.

[Gamma Emerald]

wait fuck I thought that was BM
BM/blitzo could one of you get an avatar so I don't confuse you two

[Gamma Emerald]

Solid Town: Bell/Alisae/Pooky/Reckoner/OWER*/Gamma*

I think I like this
like yeah I don't like how reck is playing but he does seem to be earnest to a degree. I just wish he wouldn't be such an anti and would actually suggest something if he is going to continue rejecting the existing plan

[Gamma Emerald]

Solid Town: Bell/Alisae/Pooky/Reckoner/OWER*/Gamma*

I think I like this
like yeah I don't like how reck is playing but he does seem to be earnest to a degree. I just wish he wouldn't be such an anti and would actually suggest something if he is going to continue rejecting the existing plan

we nolim, people do their shit tonight, and we see where we are tomorrow

Your plan is essentially “no plan”. How the fuck are we gonna be able to tell which scum was responsible for the extra kill if it happens?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma - I don't think that's what reck is really doing either.
He said - correctly, in my mind - that he's keen on voting scum rather than speculating on the plan.
I don't see how that doesn't constitute a plan either?
I don't really follow that narrative.
PEDIT - I thought I posted this earlier but I didn't.
Anyways.
I still don't understand the bonus kills angle we were pushing.
Did I miss something?

But Reck wants to no elim
Doesn’t seem THAT keen on voting scum my guy.

[Gamma Emerald]

also who is Blitzo? i demand everybody who reads this post to say "Blitzo is town/scum/?" so I can gauge how many wagons this gamestate actually wants to have...

I'm warily leaning blitzo town

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
may consider voting something else in a while

[Gamma Emerald]

trading BMs life in this game for a conversation with DBG...

eh?
also re: lurksack BM he's been posting but for context he had like 200 posts a few hours into xenoblade 2 mafia and had posted 2 times the amount of the next highest poster
so this is contrasted just off of that, but I don't believe in raw activity reads, same with how I read creature, it's about the content of the posts as well.

[Gamma Emerald]

You wouldn't be scum again would you taly

I don't think she is

[Gamma Emerald]

Heyas! What’s happenin’?

[Gamma Emerald]

Is the concept of coordinating anything just out the window now >:?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is Blitzo scum? Like legit, I’ve actually gotten some good vibes from him so far.

[Gamma Emerald]

But why do people think he’s scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Has no one claimed weapons as a location other than me yet? If that’s remained the same I think I just do my task and if I die tonight than assume it was the extra kill assuming one exists.

[Gamma Emerald]

Really like that post Outworld and I agree with your observations

Seconding this sentiment.

[Gamma Emerald]

Battle Mage has been prodded

Oh look hell just froze over

[Gamma Emerald]

because i dont even know why ppl are voting you?

I don’t either, I recall some sus being thrown that way earlier but it’s never been explained well imo
But you don’t see me voting it despite a few of MY TRs being there.

[Gamma Emerald]

Where’s your tag mate

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol this line of questioning from BM to MC doesn’t feel natural

[Gamma Emerald]

i'm a good faith guy - i'll talk to you as if you're town, and make my own judgement. I don't have a strong view on you, I just saw a wagon with townie-looking ppl on it and thought I'd get in the mix.

That doesn’t sound like a very town reason to vote

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m legit about wanting to know why MC is SRed

[Gamma Emerald]

MC has been SRed for a while so that recent an argument, while one I can see, won’t convince me to put my vote there yet

[Gamma Emerald]

ok so linking backwards and backwards...
#1553 is outworld complaining legitimately about game-state. People to look at are:
- The ones that were pushing the agenda and shaping the narrative (IIRC, Pooky, Alisae, Reck, HC - reck and HC shaping the counter narrative)
- Slots that are low-activity, flip floppy or keeping the game stagnant. Low activity is easily checked with the activity overview, HC, Blitzo, and TGP are the bottom 3 with <50 posts each. Also I'm glad I'm happy with my Alisae read rn because 203 posts to iso, hell naw.

Murder is said to be one of the ones keeping the game stagnant and apparently being happy to do so in #1563(OWER) which is then pointing to #1180...

yes I know I'm IIoA'ing at the moment, I'm writing what I'm thinking as I go and I like to show where I'm thinking what.

MC's been pretty heavy on the mass claiming of rooms thing. MC not "knowing enough" about the setup to force claims, Mc knows more than he's letting on? Like I know nothing beyond whats in the first post and that we've got 1, 2 or 3 tasks each.

Akarin goes on the attack, calling MC out for what OWER's started the wagon on.

pooks is pookytheangereybear. I think i've got a Kaomoji for that... do I have the spoons to go find it... yes I do. ʕ ᵒ̌ ‸ ᵒ̌ ʔ

OWER I'm curious in your scumteam atm? That I can see you seem to be suspect of Titus, BM and MC, correct?

Going to quickly skim over the iso, no thought-streaming this time, sorry. And I'm specifically looking for supporting and opposing thing. Subject to my paranoia and current twisted perceptions due to painfog and burning sensations, and sleepiness.
#48 - We shouldn't assume we can no-lim to alt wincon victory, but we should anyway?
#86 - despite claiming in #53, suddenly worried about giving out TMI? This post seems weirdly out of place too and has odd tone.
#112 - Votes Cakez because cakey called out MC for thinking outing everything is good.
#310 - MC can't restrict his post count, and is going to fail one of his tasks... weird for someone worried about TMI'ing
#338 - Oh no he's joking... but still drops information.

Like I'm getting a sense here that MC's posts are weirdly out of place.

#444 - in what realm is a wagon a bad thing to have rolling? Weight or not, 1 vote is still 1 vote and it's still someone saying "I firmly believe that you are a baddie". Information is generated from that.
#539 - reversal of #86 possibly
#607 - Buddying reck?
#716 - From what I know, rule of 3 would prove you scum more than town, surely?
#733 - I can see the stagnation here. "Oh yeah claim if you want, don't if you don't. But some should and some shouldn't. We can't force it but we shouldn't know everything but the more we know the better" is my translation.
#908 - Same as Titus, you're not daft enough to think this can be won exclusively on tasks. I get wanting to explore the mechanic and I can't wait to see peoples restrictions. But I'm sure you know better.
#952 - Another one still in RVS?
#964 - Boris Johnson. If you know you know. "Go out, but don't go out. Go to work, but don't go to work. Use public transport, but go to work, but social distance. Don't use public transport if possible."
#1043 - TMI? Not sure if MC is familiar with Among Us at all though.
#1055 - I can understand why people would misunderstand this, but reading the post n question (#1053 it's clear that Akarin is speculating about setup and not pushing anything.
#1102 - No SRs, a few TRs. No mention of leans, maybe efforts later.

There's a lot of shitposts at this point. playful maybe? I know I fluffpost a lot but there is content in there if you get past it.

#1131 - reads promised.
#1135 - reads delivery in descending order. Pooks, OWER, Reck, Alisae, Flea, Bell. Taly, Cakez, Blitzo. Nulls are tgp, hc, dgb, bm, gamme, titus and akarin. Admits he should have a readon on some of these but doesn't for whatever reason.
#1173 - posts like this always seem LAMIST to me.



I'm about to pass out so can't do more, will pick it up again later.

Mate your links are broken

[Gamma Emerald]

Iirc only one point has been effectively refuted

[Gamma Emerald]

Iirc only one point has been effectively refuted

What point do you find most persuasive?

Also, any thoughts on your RQS, doubt we're getting any more answers.

Once I’m on a proper computer I’ll compile responses
Don’t wanna do it with insufficient tech

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma - is there a specific point on the case on me that you feel hasn't been addressed specifically?

Idk, I’m looking at the case more critically than your response rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I TR them both Taly
But I disagree BM is town

[Gamma Emerald]

I also have to say I tend to read long ISOs as scum motivated because people rarely read them through and they look townie on surface level

This is such a nonsense take stuck in 2017/18 that wasn’t even sensible then imo

[Gamma Emerald]

I also have to say I tend to read long ISOs as scum motivated because people rarely read them through and they look townie on surface level

This is such a nonsense take stuck in 2017/18 that wasn’t even sensible then imo

I mean the tell has worked for me before so I don't see why it's so bad

Can you cite specific examples where it has worked?

Before I go off, I'd like to hear why

BM

isn't town from

Gamma

, and why

Blitzo/Bell

are townread that you're unsure about

Cakez

.

I've done a lot today, haha, bye.

I’ll be able to speak freely soon, but in the interest in being complete I’d like to have a 24 grace period in which I may speak on it but am not obligated to.

[Gamma Emerald]

VoteCount 1.27

putting a pin on my catch-up from a little bit ago, so I can go analyze RQS responses

[Gamma Emerald]

Blitzo could you please learn to use a line break in your posts? It's kinda hard to parse stuff when it's all blocks of text, even with the occasion paragraph break

[Gamma Emerald]

okay I've nearly finished the compiling and just need to see who voted Titus to compare that to who said they would NK Titus

[Gamma Emerald]

I could be talked into killing flea today as well tbh

I'd be fine with Flea too I guess. A different case to Murdercat but overall similar likelihood of flipping scum.

Why?

Also

@Taly

I think it's wiser to say I used "24-Hour Grace Period" on you?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I wanna drip-feed my thoughts, starting with this.
BM, what is your broad-scope evaluation of Titus as a player? I know you said she's more flexible as town than scum, but I want more than that.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I wanna drip-feed my thoughts, starting with this.
BM, what is your broad-scope evaluation of Titus as a player? I know you said she's more flexible as town than scum, but I want more than that.

an evaluation of her as a player? what do you mean? like, strengths and weaknesses, an overall rating?

I'm sure she'd love getting an appraisal from me.

yeah, all her assets and flaws and such, everything you've gathered about her. There's a very good reason I'm asking you.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I wanna drip-feed my thoughts, starting with this.
BM, what is your broad-scope evaluation of Titus as a player? I know you said she's more flexible as town than scum, but I want more than that.

an evaluation of her as a player? what do you mean? like, strengths and weaknesses, an overall rating?

I'm sure she'd love getting an appraisal from me.

yeah, all her assets and flaws and such, everything you've gathered about her. There's a very good reason I'm asking you.

after what you just disclosed in our last game together...I think I'll respectfully pass.

Would much prefer you did. Not like I have that sort of means, so what's the deal? Just being a dick?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, for goodness sake, can you please leave me alone for once? I just want to enjoy a game of mafia - it's clearly best we don't engage unless it actually relates to the game.

I'm trying to be civil with that question. I'd appreciate if you didn't take affront to genuine inquiry with 0 ulterior motive.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, I'm willing to move past the personal grievance now that (I think) I understand how to read you, and have seen you actually play well. You're just saying no because you're being pissy, it seems.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well since BM decided to bugger off after making it seem like it was personal when it isn't, I'll specify why I'm asking him now. He's the only one who voted Titus who also said he'd NK Titus in his RQS response. As such I'm curious what make him think Titus is scummy, because obviously he places her town game on a high pedestal.

[Gamma Emerald]

BM, given my reasoning for asking the question, you wanna play nice now?

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually BM, there's NO REASON for you to dodge me, as this line of questioning is ENTIRELY GAME BASED.
VOTE: Battle Mage
Do it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do y'all really think getting pissy at me for an out-of-game gripe that's essentially OVER and using that as an excuse to dodge GAME-RELATED QUESTIONING is town behavior?????

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't really see why else he'd be dodging the question gamma, it seems pretty innocent.

What the fuck is innocent about denying a logical question because "I don't wanna deal with you" when this is CLEARLY within the bounds of interaction he just set out for us? And it's not like I'm tunneled on this, there's an obvious solution of JUST FUCKING ANSWERING THE QUESTION. But until then I'm flooring the gas pedal here.

[Gamma Emerald]

but he's dodging it after opting to avoid me despite it being within the bounds of interaction he set out for us. Like, it's not hard and the fact he's doing it makes little sense in any case but there's at least some motive as scum where there's none as town. And I'd honestly rather have faith he's not that much of an asshole to do that as town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, for goodness sake, can you please leave me alone for once? I just want to enjoy a game of mafia - it's clearly best we don't engage unless it actually relates to the game.

Did I miss a proposal or something?

lol nah, Gamma just takes an unexplained personal beef with me from game to game and rages at me whenever our paths cross. I literally just found out that in our last game he tried to persuade the Mod to send me inappropriate messages on his behalf, so I'm not minded to bother and it also isn't healthy for the game. Even when Gamma is town, he doesn't care about solving my alignment, he just wants to get me elimmed at all costs. The game won't be won or lost based on that, and I'd rather just have fun and not get the abuse.

Genuinely curious what you think my game here is with the question I am asking you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, you seem to be implying there's some personal agenda in it, so now I'm challenging you to follow up with what you think it is if you're going to continue to avoid me on this.
I can't exactly move on if you don't give me the chance to have normal interactions with you.

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean there's beef but BM is the one who fucking started it this time. I just want a damn answer and he's being obnoxious acting like I have some ulterior motive I DON'T FUCKING HAVE

[Gamma Emerald]

that's a towntell for flea I think

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma - no, I can't use line breaks right now sorry.

thanks for answering tbh
like honestly that was rhetorical but acknowledging me is cool B
)

[Gamma Emerald]

trading BMs life in this game for a conversation with DBG...

eh?
also re: lurksack BM he's been posting but for context he had like 200 posts a few hours into xenoblade 2 mafia and had posted 2 times the amount of the next highest poster
so this is contrasted just off of that, but I don't believe in raw activity reads, same with how I read creature, it's about the content of the posts as well.

this was my only post where I mentioned context

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah tbh I think you're town rn, your play seems similar enough to 2170 and I don't see strong scum motive in your play (though like, 90% of my scum motive I saw from you in that game came from the hood LOL)

[Gamma Emerald]

Kinda on the fence, I don't disagree his play hasn't been impressive but between seeing another towngame of his where he came in stronger later on and wanting to check his play based on his RQS response I don't wanna lim him aorn

[Gamma Emerald]

7 day deadline kinda necessitates that
at least replace time is 24h, I played a game with 24h prod 12h replace (for a time) and it was not great
but the mod was someone who got perma'ed so I think the bad guy in that situation was obvious

[Gamma Emerald]

flareon = murdercat
it's the thing in his pfp

[Gamma Emerald]

My new avatar is a stick.

I could meme about this. Would you mind if I did? I think it works FYI.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Blitzo Iirc MCat called Pooky town but I’d like him to define that read more before I’m entirely good on it. Keep in mind MCat was right about Pooky and so we’re you that game, so the fact your reads on Pooky differ is intriguing. Not a sign one of you is scum yet, but it could be.

[Gamma Emerald]

Taly pls compare this game to Open 800 and Xenoblade 2 Mafia (or any other town game of his that’s recent)
I think you’ll find his behaviors are more fitting to the scum game than whatever towngame you look at.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma how can I trust your BM read when it's so tainted by your personal issues
You're probably super confbiased here

I wasn’t intending to make it personal. As I said, he started on that path by commenting along those lines. I did intend to bring that meta in but not as a means to slander him, merely to draw comparison to his scum game and town game and compare/contrast this to those. I was pretty much over my grudge by the time Xenoblade 2 ended, you can tell in my resigned tone in some of what I said. I still feel like there’s room for him to improve but between knowing where the line between his town and scum game seems to be and having seen him do well in Xenoblade 2, I’m not in a murderlust mood about that. So no, my opinion is not “tainted by personal issues”, and I’m concerned you’re jumping to that conclusion.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Blitzo

I post this with no animosity towards your avatar choice.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok but if anything he seems better here then Xenoblade 2?

Yeah that’s where he gets ya. He seems “better” when he’s scum, because of what I spoke of earlier about being an agent of chaos.

[Gamma Emerald]

Taly your Ali+BM ISO links to oog post I don’t think you intended to reference

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok but if anything he seems better here then Xenoblade 2?

Yeah that’s where he gets ya. He seems “better” when he’s scum, because of what I spoke of earlier about being an agent of chaos.

yeah but in the game I played with him as scum he was actually terrible, much worse than here or Xenoblade 2 (quality of play wise)

Well he tries to use his bad play as a cover
His quality is not the thing at the core of how I’m reading him. It’s his behavior pattern and way of posting.

[Gamma Emerald]

Excuse me.

Biggest strength as scum = mostly winning because my bad reads are a benefit

AM I WRONG?!??

[Gamma Emerald]

Your deceit STINKS! I can TASTE your debauchery!

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought I’d have to work to catch people walking on the wrong side of their responses but you made it very easy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw y’all, can we not lim MCat today? My instinct tells me that’s a mistake and I have evidence to back that up

[Gamma Emerald]

That plus 2 other games I played with you (Student Council and 2170)

[Gamma Emerald]

What case? I am caught up and I have zero idea why MC is wagoned.

This is how I feel about multiple leading wagons (MC and Titus)

[Gamma Emerald]

To be perfectly honest, I don't think that I have enough town cred to do that at the moment. I think that enough people are SRing me that an attempt to move to Titus would make it more likely I get limmed. Also, I prefer no elim to Titus elim, they aren't equal in my mind.

Here’s the thing, I feel like your game improves as you get deeper in the game as town. So limming you D1 wastes your potential.

[Gamma Emerald]

OutWorldER - no idea. Honestly now that I think about it, leaning scum with a really awful read on me especially consideirng how I played coming out of council. He suggests I'm controlling the game but like I'm not doing any of that

Iirc he said you

were

controlling the game but fumbled it
Which I don’t particularly disagree with, but I think kinda matches your self-described towngame more than you self-described scumgame.

[Gamma Emerald]

Taly

has been last seen hospitalized for carrying all the town from

Among Us Mafia

on his back.

Hold on
Thought you preferred “she/her”? Did that change? Is that a sticking point for you? Have I been disturbing you with incorrect pronouns?
I’M SORRY

[Gamma Emerald]

this is so far the planning:



Cakez
Reck
Hasch
Blitzo

have not submitted rooms.

I think anyone who fails to room claim should go to weapons, since iirc I’m STILL the only one to claim a tasks there and I doubt I’m the only one with one there. As such anyone opting to stay mum should be made to go there, to game the odds or w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Titus
I think it is probably a good idea to start flipping D1 wagons now vs. hoping scum flips them, I think despite the case against her being bare-bones at best the comments about her not being her town self are kinda sticking, and she’s the best slot to read people off of how they read her down the line. Still think BM is scum but think this is a better flip for today.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t know tbh
He’s kinda been a side supporter of The Plan^TM but hasn’t claimed his tasks still

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI if we want a lim we have <24 hours

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyone who wants to lim should be voting one of {Titus, Blitzo, MURDERCAT, Battle Mage}

[Gamma Emerald]

Those are the main wagons from today, so I want one of those flipped, or at least to get more stances on those four

[Gamma Emerald]

Though yours has entirely dissolved so it’s not really a good choice if you want the flip

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't see a reason to vote here

In the general no-lim sense? Or you don't think that looks like BM acting like they know Blitzo is town, starting to make a self-doubt post, and then spending the rest of the post on a 100% assumption of Blitzo-scum.

The former but also the reasons people are SRing BM here just seem to be BM being BM

Pretty sure I’ve done a fair job pointing out how it’s very much not that but w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, why the hell are you of all people on Titus?

And what's the case on Titus anyway?

Idk the full Titus case but what I’ve discerned actually makes sense
And I think she’s a good point for reading people off of her flip

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I could make a graph of my thoughts on the 4 decent D1 lim options but I probably won’t because I’m not in that sort of mood
But to sum up in plain text, there’s 2 people I think may flip scum a decent amount of the time here in that set, and 2 I think will be interesting flips for reading other people
Titus is in both sets, Blitzo is in neither, BM is in the former, MCat is in the latter (but I’d like if he wouldn’t self-vote/generally promote his own wagon beyond challenging people who indicate they want to vote him but aren’t)

[Gamma Emerald]

Ahem

Titus is on record as disliking d1, which as much as it initially struck me as confusing when she started saying that, it does make sense as why she'd not be very driven today. Titus just seems like a late-game powerhouse player

Even with this she still feels off
Compare to something like MBoS 10, yes her game gets better progressively but she isn’t always bad D1

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are you suddenly so bent out of shape about MCat?

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, case, no case, whatever
What’s your deal, Akarin?

[Gamma Emerald]

I really don't like how Gamma is constantly throwing my name down here.
He says I'm town but I keep showing up in his lim pool, and I have no wagon.
Gamma's play has raised question marks for me before though and wound up being town so maybe wait and see.

You saw me kinda playing action caller guy with wagons in 2170 D1, D1 is a day where you want to get info so a high info lim is a good shot. I think that set of 4 is the best, though out of the 4 you’re the least preferred. I just feel like it’ll be more valuable if I represent the set fairly rather than pruning a name because it’s not really on the table atp/I don’t think it’s the best choice.

[Gamma Emerald]

You are overlooking something but I'm going to be coy with my reason right now. I'll explain if it looks like we're close to eliminating BM though.

What the hell would you need to be coy about?

[Gamma Emerald]

the way the MURDERCAT wagon dissipated

Talk about this?
Tbh if I’m not freaking out about a wagon stall I think through a circuitous reverse psychology argument it makes it scummier
Blitzo might understand what I mean but I don’t have full confidence he will

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay that’s not what I asked about
I asked about how the wagon dissolved and why you think that makes MCat scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, you hit something that kinda resonates with me. WORK WITH ME.

[Gamma Emerald]

Who do you feel was involved in the MCat wagon dissolving? That’s probably the thing most interesting to me about that point.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay actually looking at the mod ISO the MCat wagon never dropped by more than 1 vote per VC
So now I’m quite curious where this allegation of it “dissolving” really even comes from?

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I had an image of a big castle falling but it’s more like sand running through an hourglass.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay. Do you think Cakez+BM are scum? I could see it myself. Cakez seems dedicated to gaslighting me by painting my BM push as a personal gripe.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay actually looking at the mod ISO the MCat wagon never dropped by more than 1 vote per VC
So now I’m quite curious where this allegation of it “dissolving” really even comes from?

I thought it went from 6 to 3? And really it's feels. It felt inevitable last night and unlikely tonight.

I don’t disagree about this vibe
Do you wanna stick with trying to get haschel or would you prefer MCat?

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I could point out how it went from 6 to 3 just through VCs, but a big thing to realize is it wasn’t a straight descent, it wobbles around 6/5 a bit, and sticks at 4 for a little while

[Gamma Emerald]

lol that "no comment" vibe is one I can feel sometimes
it's why I never catch up page-by-page, either single posts or several pages in a post
Why is pocketing people boring for you?

[Gamma Emerald]

eh okay
btw flea what are you willing to vote that has 3 or more votes rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

I really have not gotten that considering I've asked you before and you admitted you have beef

Yes it exists but I'm NOT the one promoting it. It's him and you making it like that. I have personal grievance with his playstyle but it's not why I SR him. I SR him because he's lining up with his scumgame more than his towngame from what I'VE seen, and your counterpoint of the scumgame you saw didn't really do anything to impact how I see things, and it also lead to the second issue with BM's play which is he tried to sidestep his own self-meta in an attempt to make me the bad guy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Biggest strength as scum = mostly winning because my bad reads are a benefit

Biggest strength as scum = mostly winning because my bad reads are a benefit

Biggest strength as scum = mostly winning because my bad reads are a benefit

Biggest strength as scum = mostly winning because my bad reads are a benefit

@Cakez 2207

As for his behavior pattern, recall how I accused him of having double the posts of the next highest poster in xc2? Here he has been posting but it hasn't been to the degree of that game where he was an engine fueled by some unknown force. He also feels similar to Donner Party/Open 800 where he did post a fair bit but he kinda kept a low profile. He hasn't really pushed much here either, in fact towards the beginning the only "content" I detected from him was just blaring the same stuff about wanting to go to electrical tonight (which I'm just gonna call out as sus on a setup level because that place is a death trap in the actual Skeld map, and the site of a sabotage option).

[Gamma Emerald]

titus [4] haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage gamma emerald
MURDERCAT [3] outworldER xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox
Battle Mage [3] blitzo DrippingGoofball titus
Haschel Cedricson [2] Akarin taly
thegoldenparadox [2] murdercat alisae

this is pretty much the extent of what's possible atp

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: haschel
I'm lukewarm on this personally but it's an interesting choice

[Gamma Emerald]

who wants to go to weapons with me
I feel like my task gets harder as the game goes on and more pages crop up

[Gamma Emerald]

Why shouldn't Gamma be with me and cakez? Aren't I sketchier?
(I'm afraid of being framed somehow for cake death)

I'm fine with either when it comes to whose company I'd enjoy

[Gamma Emerald]

If there's a sabotage that requires 1 person to go somewhere, I think Titus and Gamma should do it

(for 3 groups of 2, if scum double kill a non-Reck, then we're at a coinflip, which isn't so bad)

If there's a sabotage that requires going to 2 different places and people aren't already at one (i.e. Admin), I think Titus and Gamma should go to the 1st one, and Taly and Alisae should go to the 2nd one.

works for me

[Gamma Emerald]

are none of the current wagons to your liking flea?
Even if no elim is the result, I'd prefer people vote someone instead of no elim.

[Gamma Emerald]

chaos can be sorted.

[Gamma Emerald]

chaos has no place here apparently and honestly I'm debating rule 1.

fyi follow your heart on this because for a good while I treated playing mafia as a bit of a civic duty but it eventually mutated into a chore to the point where last year around christmas time I had a big realization regarding that and fled the site
So like, do what you think you need to do in order to enjoy yourself, don't worry about "seeing the game through" or w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI I'm a swing vote that can do either (HC or Titus)

[Gamma Emerald]

get one more and I will

[Gamma Emerald]

Akarin is being commanding, I would say she's abrasive rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Fuck.

I agree with

BM's

assessment that my understanding of the game is best approached with a

Titus

flip.
I feel like

Haschel's

sole-minded focus on

Titus

is still really weird.
I don't like

TGP's

last minute rally to lim

Haschel

even though I somewhat wagoned him earlier.
While I disagree with

Akarin's

perception of

Haschel's

reply,

Titus

is a townread for several of my townreads.

how are you weighing these rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

Pedit - Okay I guess but is that really a bad thing?

Not at all imo
I'm not the one promoting that idea as meaning anything rn anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

not all personal feelings are oog, but cakez seems dedicated to make me out to be like that

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Titus
Taly unvoting is equivalent to someone else voting Titus for my ends