Among Us Mafia [GAME OVER]

[mastina]

Hello, I am in this game now, but if you think I'm going to read 136 pages, you're crazy, almost as crazy as that one time where that mental asylum visited my uncle (what a story that is, I should tell you about it, dude was totally sane but his neighbors thought otherwise).

[mastina]

do your task

To my knowledge, I am. At least I think I am. Tasks are sometimes a bit weird. Like how the flavor of things is often unexpected.

What I could use is a summary of the game thusfar for important stuff. Turkeys are probably my holiday meal btw.

[mastina]

Mastina replaces thegoldenparadox

^I'm replacing TGP.

Speaking of which, The Olympics are gonna be crazy.

[mastina]

I don't expect you to read the whole game,

mastina

, but it would be much easier for me to sort you if you gave commentary on the game since page 129 when this day started.

Sure, that seems doable.

By the way, blue was for the longest time my favorite color. It was up there with orange and green. Now, not so much; it's red. But not in mafia, that color in mafia sucks, I much prefer green.

Related, I've been working on superpowered stories a lot recently, featuring lots of ironically supervillain protagonists, I should entertain you with the details on some of them.

[mastina]

Bell [9]

Titus taly blitzo sircakez outworldER thegoldenparadox DrippingGoofball xRECKONERx

Titus [2]

flea the magician bell

xRECKONERx [1]

pookythemagicalbear

blitzo [1]

battle mage

Not Voting [3]

Haschel Cedricson, maestro, MURDERCAT

I probably should read more closely since I thought that this game would have the number of scum confirmed but couldn't find it when skimming the mod op, but I'm assuming four total scum here. If this was not the result of basically-a-cop-guilty (again, need to be filled in there), then I'd assume by default a maximum of one scum bussing and presumably 2-3 scum off the wagon.

So 2-3 in {Flea the magician, pookythemagicalbear, battle mage, Haschel, Maestro, MURDERCAT}.
Not gonna lie, Pooky not being on Bell when Bell was scum is something that kinda concerns me but I'll need to look into that more to have a better gauge there. Similarly so for Battle Mage and MURDERCAT being off. Within those three, I'd expect at least one of them to be voting Bell here so I've gotta look into why they weren't to see if they're town/scum. I doubt those three are all scum, but I'd be inclined to think at least one might be.

This reminds me of how I've fantasized about being a superhero a lot recently.

But like, you never know, maybe magical shit really does exist.

[mastina]

VOTE: the golden paradox
SirCakez thinks this is the best bet for bussing on the bell wagon

mastina knows that to not be true.

Also, looking for the busser is a mistake unless you think that all scum or all but one scum bussed.

Speaking of which, I read a Reader's Digest article a while back about figureheads. It was a truly fascinating story, basically saying how many people do things which other people become famous for, because while those other people did the things, the famous people who became famous for them were more suited for, so to speak, marketing those things/ideas/etc. to the broader masses.

SirCakez thinks battle mage is very suspicious for his counter wagon attempt

Quite possible! I lack the context to be sure though.

On that note, I really love stories where wizards have to study spells extensively.

EGS is a great webcomic, too! Would recommend it.

Hi. It's Saturday. I am VLA today. I went to Electrical. Maestro and Blitzo were there with me. My posting will be slower to ensure I can do the task.
Pedit 2 - Lie better BM. 3 conftown.
VOTE: Battle Mage

So I may be lacking in in-depth understanding here. The mod told me which rooms I was in N1 and N2 and which tasks I have, so I don't have the information to be sure, but like: as far as I can tell, this sounds pretty believable and seems pretty damning for Battle Mage? But I'm still in the adjusting phase here, because while I did do a primary skim of the game mechanics when I offered to replace, I haven't had the time to acclimate properly. (Basically, grasping the specifics of a game requires me to be in the game for a while and I am still at the stage of absorbing information. Speaking of which, League of Legends is an awesome game.)

On that note, I love Star Trek and can probably hella geek out, but sadly, I'm more of a casual nerd, not a diehard trekkie. The sort who can nerd out, but who can't go into the exact design specifications of various trek tech.

[mastina]

Gamma had a strong SR on BM too...

To quote a rather notable Among Us player:
Good enough for me!
VOTE: Battle Mage.

Green leaves are pretty entertaining. Also, smoking oddish is a favorite joke of mine in a community I frequent.

By the way, have you heard of a thing called Twitch Prime?

(But fuck Jeff Bezos. Ads are cancerous. Streamers are struggling due to what amounts to a monopoly Amazon has. I really hope that Amazon's the next target of anti-monopoly suits after Facebook because really, their domination is disgusting.)

[mastina]

Were you with

OWER

?

Reck was in the same room as TGP was last night, though pretty obviously doesn't have the task we do.

By the way, did you know that eggs can be called huevos in Spanish? Or so I hear, though from my understanding, that word has a different connotation in Spanish. Some form of innuendo I gather.

I think

{DGB/TGP}

,

{Haschel/Flea}

, and a townread under scrutiny that I defended at some point this game

{BM, Murder}

are groups each with a scum.

I'm actually from purely a blind vca point and this page alone largely agreeing with you. I'm not convinced DGB is scum, but at least one scum in Haschel/Flea and at least one scum in BM/MURDER? That's actually kinda where I'm thinking from just the little bit I've got thusfar.

By the way, you should support your favorite streamers, even if they don't need money. I don't like referring to things as 'scam trains' since if you're with the right crowd, they're genuinely hyped for those trains. Direct donations (if a streamer has them) avoid giving Jeff Bezos money tho.

[mastina]

From my perspective, scum mostly/all probably on the wagon yesterday given there was no counter-wagon of any note, and the Bell elim was a slow burn, so there's no excuse not to have distanced.

As an outsider I have no way of verifying it.

But like.

In the last two years?

I've found that seemingly every time scum have been wagoned and people have used the "there's no counterwagon, therefore, scum must be on this wagon" either before the flip (to defend the scum) or after it (to insinuate heavy scum bussing)?

They were wrong the vast majority of the time.

That in the last two years or so.
Scum, when scum are wagoned.
Haven't been forming coherent counterwagons, but also haven't been heavily bussing.

That scum have been wagoned largely by town, without the ability to form a counterwagon of note, with them being largely scattered and not coordinated for whatever reason.

I'm obviously not someone who was there at the time so who knows maybe in this game if I were there to see it I'd be agreeing, but in general, I would not.

Oh, and while I always wear black, loving its flexibility as a color, I don't actually consider it a color. Thought that was worth mentioning, too.

[mastina]

Titus being alive worries me slightly, given how yesterday played out. Surely she gets NKed over Gamma there?

On the note of Titus, today is D3 and there is a dead scum; I am expecting her to perform VCA here.

Huh apparently it's snowing.

Gonna be drinking a ton of coffee tonight, it seems.

Quarantine has instilled some bad habits in me.

[mastina]

{DGB, Flea, Haschel, TGP}

is a good pool, maybe

Pooky

there as well.

I'm pretty sure that TGP was town.

I do think that there's a reasonably good chance that Hachel/Flea/Pooky has at least one scum in it, but I'm not sure it'd be all three of them.

If there's scum on the scum wagon, could be DGB, heck if I know, but like I've said; I feel for looking for scum on the scum wagon is a mistake. I feel that at least two scum should be off of the wagon, maybe all three albeit statistically less likely.

Fun fact, while I infamously prefer light-mode over dark-mode on every website, mafiascum included, I actually find white to be thoroughly boring and uninteresting as a color; it's far more interesting when it is used to contrast with black. Aesthetics of negative space are just superior.

But then again, I did fail art school.

[mastina]

Btw, for the curious.
As far as I can tell, I don't have access to any PTs from this game. If I am meant to have access to them, it was an oversight on the mod's part that's yet to be remedied. (Then again the mod did have to tell me about something omitted from the initial PM sent but I probably shouldn't go into too much detail since I haven't studied the mod's rules in-depth in regards to private communication. Spicy as SGB! is, it's not an area to appear in as a subject.)

Oh and did you know? I listen to streams in the background while playing mafia.

It's also legit snowing here. Winter wonderland, indeed! White Christmas, here we come?

[mastina]

(VC stuff)

Ah crap was gonna comment on this but I legit am probably about to lose power.

Will update you on it soon.

But uh:

mod: V/LA due to possible power-outage

.

Snow is not your friend.

A president taught you that.

Hunger is bad, games of it doubly so.

[mastina]

(VCA stuff)

I'll risk trying since I recognize the awkward timing of replacing in and then an immediate v/la due to power outage. Will continue to try to make content until such a time as I am literally unable to. Funnily enough, did just have a dream where time was all out of whack, involved a mismatch between what people were telling me, what my watch was telling me, and my computer clock. I slept for 11 hours last night.

But on the VCs listed: can see DGB suspicion from it, although not slam-dunk. I can see why you'd think Battle Mage is town from that, so for the moment:
UNVOTE: Battle Mage

Vote: Haschel

as a temporary replacement.

(My first job fun fact was as a referee!)

I do see Flea and MURDERCAT as quite plausibly containing at least one scum, too. And Pooky doesn't look great either.

For the record, in townreads: I think Reck's town and Taly looks town and I think SirCakez is town and I think that Titus has a fair chance of being town, and Outworlder looks town too.

My attention is divided between three or so spots right now, so thoughts are a bit uncoherent. Like, Annie is an easy matchup for Ashe imo. I loved watching Batman Beyond as a kid, too.

But, I'll try to make a readslist.

Loosely, it'd probably be something like:

Taly

Sircakez
Reck

Outworlder

Blitzo (null, no read/info)
Maestro (ditto, but lower)
Battle Mage (initial scumlean, now reconsidering)

DGB (if scum bused, was probably her)

Flea the Magician

{Pooky, Haschel, MURDERCAT} (initial suspects and rudimentary solve right now, needs refinement)

Fun fact, family is watching a Bond film about the media mogul guy. I actually don't remember it. The governor looks good, definitely mellowed out after he had his daughter Elizabeth.

[mastina]

Mod gave me temporary access to the PTs (24 hours). Not much in them so not much to read, but would like to say (reading Flea from N1 topic): Autism + ADHD is my thing, and makes my current task rather easy.

Brian Long, Ethan Nestor, and Mark Fischbach are my icons.

Idols of undying are an achievement I find hard in minecraft by the way.

I lowkey suspect Bell's readslist in there has scum mostly in the lower section.

Quadrants come to mind and make me think of The Matrix.

[mastina]

I'll be back in a few hours, have an obligation to attend to.

I'm recording lines like "I have bags that are deeper than the grand canyon under my eyes.".

Reddit be where I make my presence known.

I feel Ashe is OP.

Sorry for leaving. <3

[mastina]

2. My heart says Pooky is scum here. He just feels so distant and un-invested. Like he's got a really crap scumteam. Also 1 post in the PT last night pinged me (something about scum always wanting to bus Bell, hence Pooky town because he wanted on the wagon - which is a reasonable assertion but it came a bit out of nowhere, and from my experience Pooky is not a big busser by preference.

I can buy this.

After all, my gloves are fabulous.

I see the strings pulling and overall they lead towards a team involving {Pooky, Haschel, MURDERCAT, Flea, DGB}, but I admit I've got nothing to work with in regards to Blitzo/Maestro and if I did my opinions on them may differ.

[mastina]

I'll be catching up in a little bit.
BM's statement in that he clarifies his vote on me as "without much fanfare" is pretty inaccurate from what I recall - his push at that time seemed extremely obtuse and he still didn't have much of a reason for it even when pressed by other players iirc. Even then it seems like his vote has nothing behind it. I'm completely lost as to how to even engage this at this point so what gives?

Though I guess "without much fanfare" also means that it's a push that he agrees is bad but still wants it anyways?
Some weird cogdis going on there and I don't like it - I also don't like how I can't engage him on anything and it seems like he's more content twisting my words than figuring me out. Alternatively maybe I'm reading into it too much but it doesn't really matter since he basically won't talk to me at all so there's that.

It seems like he's 100% tunneled on me and I'm not sure what else can really be said about it or to him at this point - if he's somehow town here this is some pretty poor play on his end.

While this post doesn't really give me any objective way of measuring Blitzo, subjectively, gun to my head I am gut-townreading this post and as it is the one and only Blitzo post I have read at this time it is the only metric I have, therefore, gut-town.

On that note, I should be crafting compasses in minecraft for maps. They're a bit expensive but lacking cartographers or librarians is a bitch.

But no worries, I'm more fascinated by mafiascum right now with theory and flavor. Gunsmiths are dope.

[mastina]

I also think my reads here are a little skewed because I still have like 4 or 5 people I want to lim but there's obviously no way they can all be mafia. I may have to reassess here and I'm not sure how to do it yet.

People are gonna need to explain to me why they're scumreading Blitzo's posts since from today's content, I'm not seeing it.

Oh and on that note, Rorschack from Watchmen is an amazing character.

MC could have murdered SirCakez in Comms last night SirCakez thinks

It's definitely possible, though we don't yet have a good way to distinguish between room-kills and scum-kills from what I've gathered.

Speaking of which, villager-rushing is my favorite strat in age of empires and to a lesser extent in some civs, age of empires II.

outworld town too

I gotta say, Murdercat's posting streak here did look scummy, but I'm not familiar enough with Murdercat to tell if it's scum-indicative since I know from experience I'm probably more inclined to scumread Murdercat even when he's town.

On that note: my favorite building material in minecraft is stone bricks. A castle is my favorite creation.

I am going to shamelessly sheep titus

VOTE: HC

Mesthinks that regardless of Haschel's alignment, this is a scum-indicative vote. If Haschel's town it looks like scum opportunism; if Haschel is scum, it looks like scum bussing.

Btw fun fact; to this day I say "Well that's not good" in the exact intonation of Izzy from The Mummy Returns; it left a lasting impression on my childhood.

The DVD game for Harry Potter is a part of my soul, too. To this day, I'll break out in laughter and make people think I'm crazy just by randomly remembering a rather notable exchange.

[mastina]

possiblt a scumteam of lurkfucks again a la Xenoblade 2

Well if my theory is correct, explicitly so, yes.

A team mostly comprised of lurkers with maybe 1 active player (with said active player, if existing, probably being the sole busser on Bell), fits with Bell not having a coherent scum counterwagon and the gradual rise of said wagon that people have said happened.

Oh and by the way, I am a girl. Speaking of which, I love art, in spite of sucking at it.

[mastina]

SirCakez is impressed you ended up with pretty much the same pool as everybody else this quickly

Blame Taly for suggesting I start on the daystart page, then.

I did some rudimentary VCA based off of the scumflip at the end of D2, and the rudimentary basic-level VCA gave me a basic initial working theory. And the posts that I was exposed to immediately after that was a lot of the people making these conclusions, which influenced me and helped solidify the formed thoughts from the initial vca.

If you wanted me to form different thoughts, I'd have had to have started from a different page.

Speaking of which, Tarzan is amazing, but the only reason he'd beat George of the Jungle in a fight is because George is so nice that he'd refuse to fight in the first place. Winning with kindness is better than through force, but being genuinely strong and a natural genius in certain areas helps. Just because you're not properly educated doesn't mean you're an utter moron. Smartness comes in multiple forms.

[mastina]

mastina are you actually in this game to play, or just to troll me (as usual)?

Trolling would be fitting given the twitch streamer that I was quoting there (he's notorious for it as generally speaking the clown of the group and I love watching him for it), but nah, I am here to play and if you did read my posts, you'd see I reconsidered that initial take.

Also, I love to jam out to disco music.

Mastina this is very disappointing

Sorry.

I aim to entertain, but my comedy is not always to others' tastes.

Early Installment Weirdness is a thing.

I love browsing about superpowers, by the way.

Why am I scum now? I'm town.

Gut + initial vca + initial reading of your posts this day phase.

But who am I kitten, I love having pun.

[mastina]

Mod: V/LA every Tuesday and every Saturday. Will also be V/LA on Christmas Day, and maybe New Years Eve/New Years Day.

I realized today that with the short short prod timers, it'd be important to declare this to the mod, since I am always really really busy on Tuesdays and typically unavailable on Saturdays too and this is the holiday season as well.

I may or may not be able to contribute content today, but if so it'll be much much later today.

I'm eating breakfast. I lack coffee. Corn flakes are inferior to Life by the way.

[mastina]

Oh my gods my mentality is a task. I am living for mastina rn

Yeah as far as neurodivergent brains go, I'm about as far from neurotypical as can be. (Autistic + bipolar disorder + adhd.) Oh and by the way I am cold. You'd be surprised how annoying sickness can be. I should probably be wearing a blanket.

koba locktown

Honestly?

My thought on Windows XP's entrance is quite literally, "too scummy to actually be scum".

So I'd buy that.

Oh and that reminds me, still need to sort out my bank stuff.

Fuck technical difficulties. And I hate talking on the phone, too.

[mastina]

they also fit into SirCakez's theory that scum is directionless and lurky this game

I mean. I think that theory is true, but from what I've seen, all that means is that Reck, Battle Mage, Titus, Taly, Sircakez, probably-Outworlder, possibly-Alisae (but less so Maestro), possibly-DGB...

...Aren't scum.

Scum being directionless and lurky is the pool of {MURDERCAT, Blitzo, Flea, Haschel, Pooky, maybe-Maestro, maybe-DGB}, so.

I definitely agree with the theory, but like. There's 5-7 players that fit for that theory, and only 3 scum slots.

I personally feel scum were directionless, lurky, and mostly off of the Bell wagon tho, so that means I give the pass to DGB and Blitzo who were on the wagon.

So I think the scum is most likely in {MURDERCAT, Flea, Haschel, Pooky}. Probably at least 2 in those four.

Spirits are something I love to think about in multiple ways including holidays.

[mastina]

ok like what the fuck was scummy about my posts. please elaborate what u found "scummy" in them.

As much as I know the most annoying response to give is, "Everything?" and I'd prefer to not...
...The answer literally is "...Everything?", because it is in fact everything:
Your posts seem to largely be bad takes. Your posts feel forced and faked. You may have a posting restriction that runs polar opposite to your natural playstyle, but the content within those posts is what I am finding to be forced and just radiating "bad". Everything you're doing looks like it's unnatural and pretty shit. Not just the word count, literally all of the content.

Your posting is literally the entire scummy package. You literally couldn't get more scummy if you tried.

And it is for that specific reason that I think you're not actually scum. Because such a brazenly bad entrance and followthrough posts I just don't see as actually coming from scum. There's a difference between a slot who is obvscum not pretending to be town, and a slot that is freshly replacing into the game, has a chance to become town, is not under pressure but could be under pressure with a bad entrance, and then has a spectacularly scummy entrance that radiates badness in every way.

You radiate the overall vibe of "scummy, but not actually scum".

I'm kinda slacking in my community contributor duties by the way, trying to get back into them. I need to remember year's end is near. I probably lack the time to do everything I want to do.

[mastina]

BUT WHAT THE FUCK IS SCUMMY
EXPLAIN THE SCUMMINESS

I did:

Your posts seem to largely be bad takes. You may have a posting restriction that runs polar opposite to your natural playstyle, but the content within those posts is what I am finding to be forced and just radiating "bad". Not just the word count, literally all of the content.

These are the non-tonal reasons, the non-tone, non-feeling things. The only thing I didn't do was quote them to show them off. And that'd be these:

I see BM vote on me which is kinda hilarious considering the previous. Big ping seeing that coming in.

i think taly is scum based on my initial rereads of n1 and based on results of n1 being that i was sabo'd. also the purple text gimmick shit sounds like a faked task to me. shits too easy. both my tasks are fairly difficult things. bouncing off this logic i think flea is real bc who the fuck is gonna extract vowels for a mafia games. fuck that noise.

also mastina did the cursed coffee scumtell!! I'm goign to dive into their iso but holy shit like coffee is acutally legit a pretty weird thing like that does catch scum(its sorta a small complacency tell where ur like "oh im sorry im not performing bc no coffee)

im looking at a PoE of taly/mastina/battle mage rn based on my gut tells. im going to dive into the game much more in a bit and analyze actions and such but i wanna go over night PTs first since i cant view them for too long.

but taly just sorta pings me all over the place with subtle tells, such as a word mismash in a post they corrected later(scum are more likely to reedit posts to make sure they look towny and then leave a glaring grammatical error.) and alisae even pointed out how taly's reads just were so mismatched to eir own and thats a huge thing u can see with scum is that even if they're mimicking their townplay well, their reads will slip which i think is what happened to taly there.

id like to hear the case on HC because my vibe is that its probably a comfort LHF wagon. OW is also now on my radar based on what i saw in N1 PT>

id say blitzo town.

since HC was MIA from both nights im not gonna discount them being a major suspect.

Literally the only takes here that aren't bad are the Blitzo take (which I can see as a good take even if most would count it as a bad take) and the second-Haschel take which contradicts with the Haschel take earlier in the post. (You literally said opposite things about Haschel in the same post. Most people would say that's cognitive dissonance.) And even the Blitzo take which wasn't bad...

i rescind my townread on you until you can explain. i feel like this post could be a scumslip and im not vibing with it at all.
this post like completely feels off and now im feeling suspicious.

...You take back here.

The Titus townread is the next take of yours which isn't a bad one.

Your takes on BM, me, Taly, Haschel, and Blitzo are, overall: shit. They are objectively bad takes backed by objectively bad reasons. No amount of subjective tone to them, no amount of subjective "I think this tone is faked/forced" to them. They are so unbelievably awful and fundamentally out of touch with reality (and I imagine literally every slot in the game will back me up here in this assessment--how many of the alive players affirming my statement that your posts are out of touch with reality will it take for you to agree that my statement of them being so is not subjective? Five? Eight? Because I mean it when I say this aint subjective, it is pretty damn objective) that I don't see how they actually come from scum.

I'm not going to break down the specifics of every post you made and what in them I feel looks scummy--if I were writing a case for why you're scum, then sure, I would do so! But I

don't

think you're scum, so you'd be asking me to write a case on why I think a player that I am townreading is scummy. Writing a case for why a townread of mine is scummy (what you're asking me to do) is a waste of time. I'm humoring you by doing this much, but I'd much rather focus on the "why I think WindowsXP is town" than the "why I think WindowsXP is scummy", thankyouverymuch.

On that note, I should be paying more attention to the tarot stream I'm listening to.

i want you to actually evolve this into a specific read of it so ur not allowed to backtrack later and be like "lol acktually i guess kobas entrance was scum and i should have seen it xD".

I have--I feel that your replacement is so out of touch with reality that there's no way it actually comes from scum. If you were scum, then you would have a scum PT that'd allow you to have a better grasp on the game, and yet your entrance is so flagrantly in violation of all the aspects of the game that it's either an entrance made without the aid of one or which deliberately discarded its feedback.

In the case of the latter, that'd be the realm where you'd be scum, sure...but I very much do not believe that's the world we're in. It's a world that's theoretically-possible, but in practice so outlandishly unlikely I'm calling it impossible, because it's more than just your stances and reasons which contribute. You're a slot that is under some rather decent amount of pressure. Your chosen entrance is one which is incredibly likely to increase the pressure on you, which is likely to antagonize several key figures in the town and make them your enemies. Something which is VERY bad for scum to do. So overall the radiated shitty-energy isn't "obvscum who is blatantly being scum without trying to hide it", it's "bad town that is out of touch with reality". Because if you were scum, I'd expect the pushes you were making to be more strategic, more refined, more tactical, more precise. If you were scum that felt the need to disrupt/dismantle a townbloc, you'd need to do so more subtly so, and this brazen approach is the polar opposite of it. You're being very loud and aggressive in the bad takes that run contrary to reality overall and showing such a flagrant disregard to any survivalism that it's something I can't see as coming from scum.

I can't really think of a way to more strongly, accurately, aptly describe my townread on you than that. It's about as detailed as I can get, but yes, it is still summed up as, essentially, "too scummy to be scum". The read is concrete. The reasoning, too. I've literally typed enough words on why to fulfill your posting restriction. You're literally a more detailed nuanced read than I've generated on any other player in the game.

Oh, and fun fact; my little kitteh likes to roll around in an area that has been bleached after the bleach has been removed. (She's a bit insane that way.)

Who's scum today? who are you voting? Also, what was your read on Maestro/Alisae?

I literally replaced in only two days ago--by which time, Maestro was not a player in the game. You're literally the first impression I've gotten on your slot. My read was thus, thoroughly null.

As for scum: {Flea the Magician, Pooky the Magical Bear, Haschel Cedrickson, MURDERCAT} is where I am mostly looking, with Flea being the towniest of the four.

Oh and tinny sound is annoying.

Nothing triggers my misophonia worse than popcorn tho.

[mastina]

You basically just said my "playstyle is scummy". Literally just admit you think the NAI things are scummy. Because thats what you summed up there.

I mean--I did?

"Bad takes" but whats bad about them?

Everything, and I described specifically what they were, too. It was there in the post.

also ur PoE sucks and has just LHF ppl.

So? Have you played mafia in 2020? Across the whole site, the near-universal scum meta is for the scum to be almost or entirely in the low-hanging fruit pool, for the scum to almost or entirely be among the lurkers, for the scum to almost or entirely be among the lower-effort slots, for the scum to almost or entirely lack coordination and influence in the game.

Every actively-involved scum player is the exception to this general rule, that in 2020 scum are disproportionately lurksacks. "But the player is low-hanging fruit, the game can't be that easy!!!" has been an excuse used to let scum off the hook the entire time, and it will never cease to be wrong.

Scum are scum--it doesn't matter if the player is low-hanging fruit if they are just scum.

The logic of "but they're low-hanging fruit!!!" would've stopped an elimination on Bell, because Bell is low-hanging fruit as a player especially when scum.

So frankly: I don't give a damn about low-hanging fruit. Low-hanging fruit that is probably scum is probably scum.

I really want 11-0 to go live in League. 3400 gold is too expensive.

Pooky/Haschel actually fit together pretty fucking magnificently

I'd vote either happily here, honestly. The Haschel wagon is larger right now so that's where my vote is.

Bananas and Milk is a staple breakfast of my family. I should actually eat it soon.

[mastina]

Your playstyle and reading method is a bit flawed/anti town so like maybe u can take the hint and reeval.

Screenshot your reads right now versus my reads right now and say that to me postgame.

And by the way: minecraft is awesome.

If I end up getting mislimmed today then somebody will have to take up my task.

Not gonna lie: while my current task is one that is suited to me, and it's the only task I have left, I actually do kinda want to take on the 300-words-in-a-post task because...I mean. It'd also be a task perfect for me.

Because, yaknow. I'm mastina; I make that many words per post without a restriction so it'd be neat for me to have it.

Alas, I have my current task which takes priority over it.

Oh and, monotony is something that can be rather cumbersome, but sometimes, the rewards are worth it.

[mastina]

Your playstyle and reading method is a bit flawed/anti town so like maybe u can take the hint and reeval.

Screenshot your reads right now versus my reads right now and say that to me postgame.

For the record, that'd be:

{Taly, Titus} <--Locktown

Sircakez (may be in need of promotion to locktown tho)
Reck
^Strong town

Outworlder
Windows XP
^Town

Battle Mage
Blitzo
^Weak town


DGB
^Nullish (if scum bussed, it was her; if scum have a deepscum, it's her; she's the highest chance of being scum outside of the poe)

Flea the Magician
^In the POE, so could be scum, but gut says below three are more scum

{Pooky, Haschel, MURDERCAT}
^Scum

So the challenge is to take a screenshot of your reads on today, December 24th (not some later time/phase), and see how accurate your reads are compared to this list above in the postgame.

I like my odds.

Speaking of which, Star Wars 4-6 and Legacy canon > literally all other Star Wars material.
Tho I will say lightsaber duels really leveled up in the prequels in terms of choreography.
Phantom Menace's Duel of the Fates remains the best music in all of Star Wars history. (Even the Imperial March places second.)
That said, I feel like the best lightsaber duel for choreography would be somewhere between the flashiness of the prequels and the "dull old men fighting" of the original trilogy. If lightsaber fights were treated like actual fencing duels (so no turning backs on opponents, no spinning, no twirling the blade unnecessarily, no summersaults, no backflips, traits of the prequel fights), but at the actual speed of a fencing duel (no swinging once a minute, locking blades for 20 seconds, backing off, and swinging again 20 seconds later, traits of the original trilogy fights), I feel like that would be the best. I get there's justifications for being fancy both in-universe (powers!) and out-of-universe (it looks cooler and is more cinematic), but it'd be dope to see a fight with speed, yet precision, accuracy, and attention to realism and real-life techniques.

But then again, my sister is a fencer (the style of fencing where they treat it as if it were real swords, too, i.e., "If you're slashed on the arm, it's lethal; if you're stabbed in the chest, it doesn't matter if you stabbed your opponent in the chest one second sooner, you're still both death so you still both lose", rather than the Olympic style of fencing that is "Take advantage of it not being real swords and connecting with your opponent so much as one millisecond sooner means you win"). She's an influence on me.

I also like kenjustsu-style martial arts.

[mastina]

what's your favorite all black outfit?

I'm wearing it right now: black fingerless gloves, my black ring (it's a bit of a mismatch in size tho--on my finger, it's loose enough that it'd fall off if not for my gloves keeping it in; if I put it on top of my glove, it's a bit of a tight fit, almost impossible to get off and can even somewhat restrict circulation), a black warmup-tshirt (dunno what it's called, it's the type of undershirt you'd wear when doing track underneath of your official clothes to help stay warm, it's a sportsy thing that is designed to extract sweat and also keep you warm so it's useful in both summer and winter), which in this case happens to be long enough to act almost like a skirt, and short short black warmup pants (dunno what it's called, it's the pants-equivalent of the undershirt, sportsy track wear that you wear underneath your track clothes to help stay warm; they are sometimes mistaken for being boxers even tho I wear them as shorts with me having underwear underneath of them).

Were I to wear another layer on top of that, it technically wouldn't be ALL black, unless I were to go with black sweatpants and a black hoodie (which I do own, and still love!). It'd be mostly black or close-to-black, but my warmup-jacket (dunno what it's called, it's a sportsy jacket that you'd wear over your track clothes while warming up) does have red patches on it over the torso area. I'd also be wearing warmup pants (dunno what it's called, it's a sportsy pants that you'd wear over your track clothes while warming up), the pants equivalent.

I started wearing them during high school once I started doing track and cross-country, but found that they were quite convenient to wear at all times. They're pretty unisex, so you can wear them without broadcasting a gender, they tend to be fairly tight in the areas I like to keep tight, but loose in the areas I want to be loose, keeping me soft and comfortable yet also allowing me to disguise my features as to be more androgynous. Plus, you can add/subtract the clothing at will depending on needs. Too cold? Throw on the pants or the jacket. Still cold? Add the other. Too hot? Remove one. Still too hot? Remove the other.

Also, the warmup pants have deep pockets, and the warmup jacket has zipper-sealed deep pockets, too. (Not to mention, the warmup jacket has a zipper down the middle so you can split it in half to air things up and more easily remove; the warmup pants have zippers on the leggings, which while not running all the way up, allow you to air things up and in theory, take them off while wearing shoes.)

Before I discovered this style of clothing, I wore exclusively sweatpants and then 2-3 layers of: t-shirt, sweatshirt, hoodie. All black. It accomplished similar. Hoodie for protection against the rain, zipper down the middle for easy removal, hoodie kept me warm, could shed layers if needed if I got too warm, but often, surprisingly, wasn't because my tolerance to heat is naturally high due to me being a stick.

Fun fact, my original character, superhero name Red Hood Rider, actually takes inspiration from both halves of this. Her default form has the hoodie, but one of her powerup-forms has the warmup jacket and warmup shorts. The design of her hoodie is actually based on my memory of my first hoodie, which I had when I was practicing soccer (since for the first 14ish years of my life I played soccer every year and in fact my first job was as a soccer referee).

I also was bullied on my first soccer team, teased with 'Little Red Riding Hood', but me being autistic, I didn't understand that I was being bullied because I didn't actually understand that the nickname was meant to be malicious. However, I might've known on at least some level, since I did talk to my mom about it, who

did

recognize the bullying for being what it was and next year transferred me to a much better team. (Sadly, while the team I moved to was better, it also fell apart sooner and when it did, that was the end of me playing soccer since I couldn't get onto another team.)

But later in my life, I now would take pride in a name like that. They meant it as an insult, but it'd be a compliment to me. (Sadly, I believe my mom either sold or gave away that original hoodie when I had my growth spurt, since it was not designed for someone who was 6'2". I could still fit in it as a stick, but it'd be exposing my belly due to being too short. Which, in adulthood, I wouldn't mind showing off some skin, but as a child who got cold, my mom likely recognized I needed something more suitable for my size.)

Oh and floods are really cool. "Stocker Lake" is what we named the fields when they flooded.

I almost forgot this btw: I have black hairties, too! While I may not need them, they're part of my outfit.
Also, my digital wristwatches have always had black as their main or only color.

[mastina]

why the fuck are you posting this

It's my way of handling my posting restriction.

start a blog

About that...
(See sig. I did.)

Oh and speaking of which, cats are cute.

I love to see the antics of pets on streams. <3

Witchy familiars are actually legit a real thing btw.

[mastina]

Is it fun to be way taller than everyone else?

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo, not for a girl at least. (But also, in general--do you know how many things I bump into due to being a full head taller than the room I am in was designed to accommodate? Rooms are meant for people 2-6 inches shorter than I am, and that has led to a lot of injury and property destruction.)

Fun fact: be careful what you wish for.

As a kid I wanted to be tall--really tall. I repeatedly wished I was taller than I was at the time.

I got my wish...and regret it immensely.

I'd be much happier if I were in the 5'8-5'10" range.

Genies can be dicks sometimes.

Speaking of which, Scooby Doo was a good show.

Oh and being literal-minded is both a weakness and a blessing.

[mastina]

Do you like black high heels?

I wouldn't know, I've never gotten to wear them. I imagine that my style of heels would be something non-sparkly, non-flashy, probably more mute in color, so black would fit that criteria, but who knows, won't know until I get the chance to try it. Similar to dresses in that way.

On a related note, Happy Holidays!

Mastina I absolutely love you. #TallGirlSquad

I do legit get the vibe that you and I actually have a lot alike, but alas, this game with innate posting restrictions and the chance you might be scum (tho I admit to hoping you're not) is probably not the best environment to bond in.

Oh, and Die Hard 2 is totally a Christmas film by the way, highly underrated.

OSDD1/fragmented system

For the record, I'm not really educated into terminology and what terms mean what (it's something that I should do but haven't), but I've been in a fair number of communities that have various different forms of...what's the most generic term possible? (I don't even know that. Plurals? Personalities? Systems? Probably something else, I'm sorry for my ignorance, I apologize for not being more educated here.)

But, a fair number of communities that have multiple people with many different things of that sort. One place I frequent has a full fictive system and I've come to know a fair number of the people in that system, which fascinated me. I was also there when they met another full fictive system that happened to have at least one identical person within.

And here on mafiascum, LLD is rather well-known for rather openly having DID, there was a public tulpa, and a bunch of scummers who, privately, have similar conditions (but who keep it secret). A bunch of bodies in online communities exist with such wonderful brains with beautiful minds within each of them, more than we ever know.

Heck, even I have a form of plurality called a 'median'. At my core, everyone I am is 'Bree', with core memories, beliefs, feelings, personalities, but there's multiple different facets of be outside of the core, who have different memories, different feelings (I literally feel differently about some people as different mes although some people I feel the same about across all mes), different personalities, even different beliefs, from each other. Every one of me is Bree, but not every one of me is mastina. (In fact, a lot of the experiences I talk about are from the other main me since I have two main mes and a few lesser mes.)

(Tho that being said, there's also the fact that I have had an 'imaginary friend' who has been inside my head for my whole life, and while he and I both don't know his name, he's always there to talk to me. I can talk to other-mes sometimes, but he is not another me. There is also David, who constantly is berating me, pointing out how I suck, tearing me down, calling me shit, represents a lot of my negative side manifested, but while I used to be scared of him, I now realize that he does that to help make me stronger and rebuild me, reaffirm me. While the multiple-mes I received a good tip as to being called a median, I've not explored the two dudes within my brain who're NOT me, but still intrinsically linked to me in my mind.)

(The two things I've felt the worst about not exploring more: my own mind, and my spirituality. I am a very very deeply spiritual person with very nuanced beliefs, but while my beliefs are rather detailed and extensive, I'm still not fully in touch with the full spirituality I could have. It does help watching the stream of a witch 1-2 times a week, and to read in that community a discord channel for 'witchy chat', but I know I could do a lot more in-depth spiritual searching than I do, because I literally radiate excess energy from my palms, the energy overflows from there on a daily basis even if I constantly discharge it, because there's just THAT much in me and it is all going to waste. But I digress. The point I was making is, I am very thoroughly uneducated in both the mind and the spirit and it is a huge regret of mine because I know I should become far more educated in both.)

Oh, and speaking of which, cats are cute. <3

[mastina]

Merry Christmas. Happy Holidays!

Let's yeet some scum. My vote is for HC.

WindowsXP is correct, here, Titus; before that, you owe us some VCA.

We've got the time, we can wait for it, no risk of Haschel escaping the airlock from waiting and plenty of time until deadline, so. We can wait.

Also, my energy is turquoise in color. Figured that was worth mentioning.

I also developed a platonic crush of sorts on a streamer today (by which I mean, more or less, I already thought they were good but today they became, "damn, this person is really amazing and they are an awesome person" and I got hyped by it and have an increased desire to catch their content now).

Coming out in spite of fears is something that takes incredible strength.

[mastina]

i have yet to hear an actual case on haschel despite repeated asks and i'm not sure i fully understand anyone's reason for the wagon?

POE + VCA, mostly.

I think other slots are more town, I think the Bell wagon was mostly or entirely town, and of the slots off the wagon, Haschel is among the least-town of them.

By the way, I hate how when I go to bed I have genius ideas that I'm like, "write that down mentally, I'll do it tomorrow", and then come tomorrow...I forget.

Haschel Cedricson [7]

Titus Pookythemagicalbear sircakez Mastina MURDERCAT Battle Mage flea the magician

Battle Mage [2]

DrippingGoofball xRECKONERx

Pookythemagicalbear [2]

OutworldER WidowsXP

Flea the Magician [1]

Haschel Cedricson

Not Voting [2]

Blitzo, ManWithNoName

For the record. I realize the Haschel wagon comp isn't the best; the only names I trust to be town on it are Titus and SirCakez with a healthy side of Battle Mage.

So it wouldn't be hard to convince me to move to Pooky, and I'd also wagon MURDERCAT here, or begrudgingly, Flea (I don't want to because Flea is a treasure to interact with, but push come to shove I do admit Flea could be scum so if needed I would vote there).

Try to get me to vote Titus, Battle Mage, DGB, Reck, Outworlder, Windows XP, Blitzo, or ManWithNoName, though? Not happening.

Internet monopolies are a thing and they fucking suck. There's a common saying I quite like; 'fuck spectrum'. Fortunately my internet is better than most, but I do watch a lot of struggling streamers due to their internet companies being utter shit.

[mastina]

VOTE: flea
SirCakez can get behind this after seeing Haschel's wall

VOTE: Flea
As promised.

Small confession--after one of my times interacting with Flea, I was desperate to try and find a reason in faer iso to townread fae.

Unfortunately, I came to the opposite conclusion when I iso'd Flea, because I noticed three different post restrictions on three different days, in spite of how on D1 it seemed like Flea was miserably failing faer posting restriction that day. And while the second posting restriction was too much effort for me to read in spite of it being on the critical D2 and the D3 restriction is harsh, the presence of three, separate, posting restrictions, when I only have two, did set off a red flag to me since if this was explained, I didn't see it.

And the interactions I did see and interpret, weren't great.

I really, really enjoy Flea's presence in this game, and for that reason I'm not too happy to remove said presence, but I do admit that, yes, Flea is probably scum. </3

[mastina]

VOTE: flea
SirCakez can get behind this after seeing Haschel's wall

VOTE: Flea
As promised.

Small confession--after one of my times interacting with Flea, I was desperate to try and find a reason in faer iso to townread fae.

Unfortunately, I came to the opposite conclusion when I iso'd Flea, because I noticed three different post restrictions on three different days, in spite of how on D1 it seemed like Flea was miserably failing faer posting restriction that day. And while the second posting restriction was too much effort for me to read in spite of it being on the critical D2 and the D3 restriction is harsh, the presence of three, separate, posting restrictions, when I only have two, did set off a red flag to me since if this was explained, I didn't see it.

And the interactions I did see and interpret, weren't great.

I really, really enjoy Flea's presence in this game, and for that reason I'm not too happy to remove said presence, but I do admit that, yes, Flea is probably scum. </3

Ah fuck. Shit. Crap. I swore I'd not slip up like this.

I just woke up.

I blame being in the dark, literally.

Turning on lights will cause my treadmill to beep, but should be done.

Winter Solstice may have passed, but it still gets dark early.

[mastina]

Scum slip? Not 100% sold
{HC, Flea} - one scum

This is, more or less, what I was thinking--I'm not sold on the Flea-is-scum case. It's a good case, but it's not a case that I think lockscums Flea. I can believe Flea as town just as easily as I can believe Flea as scum.

But, I do see Flea as a high chance of being scum--not guaranteed, but high chance. I legit think that one, but not both, of Flea/Haschel are scum; basically all the evidence says that if one is scum, the other isn't, and that if one flips town, it's highly likely the other is scum.

I personally would prefer Haschel first, so I'm not exactly happy with the Flea wagon, but I'm okay with it overall.

I've had my desire to create reinvigorated, by the way. Might spend time doing something, since I'm all minecrafted out, don't feel like more League, and it's so early with me not being tired. Let's hope!

Flea the Magician [7]

Haschel Cedricson Pookythemagicalbear xRECKONERx MURDERCAT sircakez Mastina Titus

Haschel Cedricson [2]

Battle Mage flea the magician

Battle Mage [1]

DrippingGoofball

Pookythemagicalbear [1]

OutworldER

ManWithNoName [1]

WidowsXP

Not Voting [2]

Blitzo, ManWithNoName

Haschel Cedricson [7]

Titus Pookythemagicalbear sircakez Mastina MURDERCAT Battle Mage flea the magician

Battle Mage [2]

DrippingGoofball xRECKONERx

Pookythemagicalbear [2]

OutworldER WidowsXP

Flea the Magician [1]

Haschel Cedricson

Not Voting [2]

Blitzo, ManWithNoName

Can I just say that Pooky and MURDERCAT,

regardless

of Haschel/Flea, are suspicious?

There's literally 5/7 common names on both wagons. I know myself to be town, I trust SirCakez to be town, and despite some reservations on Titus and her lack of VCA I still think she's town, but regardless of Haschel/Flea's alignments, I wanna say that Pooky and MURDERCAT are both highly highly suspect.

In the world where Haschel/Flea are both town, I'd go so far as to say Pooky/MURDERCAT are both lockscum.
But even with only one of Haschel/Flea being town, and the other being scum, I would say that there's still a high chance for Pooky/MURDERCAT being scum.

Also, I need to get back into blogging.

[mastina]

-while being voted and a probable elim he brazenly expresses a townread for bell

That, uh. Doesn't instill towncred if it's scum-scum? At the time of Bell's elimination, MURDERCAT, Battle Mage, and Pooky should've all been aware of Bell being scum in this game. (I did check to confirm this.)

On that note, do you know how lightbulbs tend to burn out? Well, the one in my room, instead of completely burning out and being 100% dark, now emanates an ominous purple glow. It's like a glow in the dark dance. Except I doubt it's actually ultraviolet, it just is permanently a purplish hue, radiating some amount of light even after it should've long-since burned out. It's comparable to instead of a star exploding on death, instead shrinking vastly in size and changing colors. Lowkey wondering if my room may be irradiated in toxic chemicals tho.

[mastina]

I can vote any of flea/hc/pooky.

These three would be my preference today, and tomorrow just so happens to be the one day of the week where I'll actually be awake before deadline!

I wonder if I'm still sick?

Let's hope not, probably only getting 6 hours of sleep tonight.

I like to watch peen podcasts live.

I've shifted away from watching Mark content in favor of watching Wade instead.

It saddens me that when there's ten people I want to watch live at the same time, I have to pick and choose.

[mastina]

So I typed this up during N3 before D4 began...

Chillin' at the reactor,
Gonna finish non-sequiturs,
Chillin' at the reactor,
Gonna finish non-sequiturs,
Chillin' at the reactor,
Gonna finish non-sequiturs,
Chillin' at the reactor,
Gonna finish non-sequiturs.

Non-sequiturs from mastin,
They flow well 'cause she can,
Her brain runs on adhd...

If she had her little way,
She'd take this restriction any day,
Her getting it must be fate...

Chillin' at the reactor,
Gonna finish non-sequiturs,
Chillin' at the reactor,
Gonna finish non-sequiturs,
Chillin' at the reactor,
Gonna finish non-sequiturs,
Chillin' at the reactor,
Gonna finish non-sequiturs.

Got a lot of good things I love to wish,
Good non-sequiturs were on the list,
My dreams of being a good woman,
I poked in to say my 'hi',
And it's something that I like,
A better game I can't make, replace, or find.

Tons of non-sequiturs, they make you learn,
Tons of non-sequiturs, hope they don't burn.
Tons of non-sequiturs, they make you learn,
Tons of non-sequiturs, hope they don't burn.
Tons of non-sequiturs, they make you learn,
Tons of non-sequiturs, hope they don't burn.

Peace out!

...WHOOPS WRONG MESSAGE from that night, what I MEANT to share was, this is what I typed during N3:
Flea the Magician [8] Haschel Cedricson Pookythemagicalbear xRECKONERx Mastina Titus DrippingGoofball ManWithNoName Battle Mage
Haschel Cedricson [1] flea the magician
Pookythemagicalbear [1]OutworldER
DrippingGoofball[1]MURDERCAT
Blitzo[1]WindowsXP
Not Voting [2] Blitzo sircakez

Bell [9]

Titus gamma emerald taly blitzo sircakez outworldER thegoldenparadox DrippingGoofball xRECKONERx

Titus [2]

flea the magician bell

xRECKONERx [1]

pookythemagicalbear

blitzo [1]

battle mage

Not Voting [3]

Haschel Cedricson, maestro, MURDERCAT

ON BOTH: Titus/MathBlade, xRECKONERx, TGP/mastina, DGB, Taly/MWNN
BELL: Blitzo (tho gave intent on flea), SirCakez, outworldER
FLEA: Haschel (tho apparently was willing on Bell), Pooky, Battle Mage
OFF BOTH: MURDERCAT (tho did vote Flea earlier), Maestro/WindowsXP

Lazy VCA: all the players on both scum wagons are town.
Haschel is probably town, so if there's scum on Flea that wasn't on Bell, it's Pooky or BM (Pooky > BM for scum).
So 0-1 scum in Blitzo/Cakez/outworldER (Blitzo > outworldER > SirCakez for scum);
If no scum bussed in the final vcs of both scum wagon, MURDERCAT and Windows XP are both scum, but I find that unlikely, so 0-1 scum in there (MURDERCAT > WindowsXP for scum imo).

Reads-wise, I agree with the lazy vca on all names on both scum wagons being town.
I think that the names on Bell are more likely to be town overall tho.
I do think a good poe pool is {Pooky, Battle Mage, MURDERCAT, Maestro/WindowsXP}, where I'd guess Battle Mage as the towniest of them and WindowsXP next-towniest.

...Obviously, this changed a bit after the Blitzo guilty and speed-eject. (Ah well, the good news is, thanks to that, I did complete my task per the mod so now I'm done with both of my tasks.)

I maintain that Titus/MathBlade, Reck, DGB, and Taly/MWNN are all probably town.

I think SirCakez is town especially with Blitzo being scum.
Due to Haschel-Flea I think Haschel is town.

So I do think that between Pooky/Battle Mage/MURDERCAT/WindowsXP we have the final scum.
Loosely, scummiest to towniest I'd say Pooky > MURDERCAT > Battle Mage > WindowsXP, because I think WindowsXP is soft-cleared by having claimed to have been sabotaged previously, and I think that Battle Mage is fairly town here.

Night four, I was far less productive tho, since all I did was...

Who's peeking out from a long hallway,
Chillin' in a game that's probably fair,
Who's looking around in search of entertainment,
Everyone knows it's mastin.

Who's locking down the engines of reactor,
Smilin' lights out tho she can't see,
Who's reactin' out to a free win,
Everyone knows it's mastin.

And mastin has stormy eyes,
That flash at the sound of lies,
And mastin's done so need not try,
Around the crowd (around the crowd),
Around the crowd (around the crowd).

Who's locking down the engines of reactor,
Smilin' lights out tho she can't see,
Who's reactin' out to a free win,
Everyone knows it's mastin.

Who's locking down the engines of reactor,
Smilin' lights out tho she can't see,
Who's reactin' out to a free win,
Everyone knows it's mastin.

Who's locking down the engines of reactor,
Smilin' lights out tho she can't see,
Who's reactin' out to a free win,
Everyone knows it's mastin.

Who's locking down the engines of reactor,
Smilin' lights out tho she can't see,
Who's reactin' out to a free win,
Everyone knows it's mastin.

Who's locking down the engines of reactor,
Smilin' lights out tho she can't see,
Who's reactin' out to a free win...

[mastina]

(For the record, the first song is a 90s song which people who're around my age/generation probably know; the second song is a classic rock'n'roll song. The first you'll be able to recognize if you listened to the same sort of music I did; the second is something much much older which I'd think would need no introduction but who knows with younglings these days, with no taste in good classical rock music.)

[mastina]

VOTE: Pooky

[mastina]

Mastina link me to a read wall you did this game please?

MathBlade I literally replaced into this game literally one day before you did, I never made one because I was at a stage in the game where it wasn't something I really needed to do.

When I replaced in early into D3, I was asked to start reading from the beginning of that day--I ask you to do the same since if you read from the start of D3, you'll have the exact same frame of reference I had when replacing in.

D3 is, all things considered, fairly short: it's 23 pages in total, and I wasn't playing for the first seven of them--I was in the game for a grand total of 16 pages, and read and was a part of 23 pages. (I did not get to contribute at all D4 because they speedwagoned the guilty without giving me a chance to post, tho I don't blame them since it was a guilty, I wasn't going to get nightkilled, and I didn't have anything critical to share.)

So if you read from D3, you'll be reading from the exact same spot I was, and when you go to page eight of those 23, you'll see my conclusions from the beginning of D3 and see how they line up.

[mastina]

Oh actually I did make readslists, nevermind.
But, no, MathBlade, not going to link them, because I want you to read from the beginning of D3, and then encounter my readslists to compare them to yours.

[mastina]

Mastina link me to a read wall you did this game please?

MathBlade I literally replaced into this game literally one day before you did, I never made one because I was at a stage in the game where it wasn't something I really needed to do.

When I replaced in early into D3, I was asked to start reading from the beginning of that day--I ask you to do the same since if you read from the start of D3, you'll have the exact same frame of reference I had when replacing in.

D3 is, all things considered, fairly short: it's 23 pages in total, and I wasn't playing for the first seven of them--I was in the game for a grand total of 16 pages, and read and was a part of 23 pages. (I did not get to contribute at all D4 because they speedwagoned the guilty without giving me a chance to post, tho I don't blame them since it was a guilty, I wasn't going to get nightkilled, and I didn't have anything critical to share.)

So if you read from D3, you'll be reading from the exact same spot I was, and when you go to page eight of those 23, you'll see my conclusions from the beginning of D3 and see how they line up.

Oh actually I did make readslists, nevermind.
But, no, MathBlade, not going to link them, because I want you to read from the beginning of D3, and then encounter my readslists to compare them to yours.

Basically, MathBlade: I want you to start at the spot I did, and then you'll have nearly identical info to what I had. (You'll have an extra two scumflips and an extra townflip than I had as I did not have Flea/Blitzo/outworldER info, but otherwise, you'll have access to the exact same info and resources I had available to me.)

I genuinely feel that you starting at the same spot I did, and then seeing what I did at that spot when you get to it eight pages later, will do more than anything else for you in reading me. Because I've read nothing from D1, and nothing from D2, aside from having done some brief rudimentary basic vca and doing an iso or two (e.g. having iso'd Flea).

[mastina]

Also, since the game ended:
The reason that I said all of BM, Pooky, and MURDERCAT were suspicious for not voting Bell this game is that Bell this game was similar to Bell in Pooky v FL, thus, they should've known Bell was scum here.

Granted, admittedly, I think the math between the Bell flip in that game and this game is 12ish hours, with this game being 12 hours later--but that's still 12 hours where BM (who may have known Bell was scum already if he had access to the spoiled thread at the time, should probably check that), Pooky, and MURDERCAT should've all known that Bell's similar play in this game meant he was scum here, yet all three were off the wagon.

Obviously, there's a maximum of one scum in them now.
But I DO think the final scum IS one of them.

[mastina]

Mastina my gut is telling me my prior clear of WinXP was bad.

It's possible, but it's unlikely--for WindowsXP to be scum, scum would've needed for one of their sabotages to not have been used.

Flea sabotaged two nights--one night was you, and WindowsXP I believe claimed the other. I should probably go double-check that, but that's what I have in my memory at least.

[mastina]

My task got sabotaged in admin or smthiny n1 i think ? Tryna make sense of this stuff.

Yup, WindowsXP claimed sabotaged N1.

And I believe you're the N2 sabotage, yes, MathBlade?

So it's possible WindowsXP is the final scum who lied about being sabotaged.

But I wouldn't call it probable. I'd call it incredibly improbable. Not utterly impossible, because this is a soft-clear not a hard-clear, but enough to make WindowsXP be incredibly unlikely to be scum.

[mastina]

I forget, but did your task gets sabotaged on n2?

No, my first task was already completed upon replacing in and my second task required two days to complete and for me to remain in the reactor the entire time. I got confirmation that my second task was completed so I was not sabo'd N2 or N3. (I was also alone N3 and N4 in the reactor given nobody talked to me either night.)

[mastina]

Leaving [Pooky, Cakez, TGP/Mastina, Reck, Windows] as the final PoE. Of them, my biggest SR's are on Pooky/Mastina. I have a TR on Windows and Mastina/Reck are kinda null for me.

For the record from this I'd assume that one of Pooky/me/Reck was the roleblock last night.

If Pooky was roleblocked, I'd say the last scum is MURDERCAT.

[mastina]

Cakez/Reck, woops.

*Pooky/me/Reck/SirCakez as rb target possibilities.

I don't think OutworldER roleblocked Reck--why would OutworldER roleblock the player he was in a PT with? (From what I gather, OutworldER was with Reck last night? Was there anyone else there with them?)

So Pooky/me/SirCakez most likely. And given the most suspicious, it'd be Pooky/me probably.

If OutWorldER blocked Pooky, then Pooky would be clear and I'd be pretty damn sure the scum was MURDERCAT.

So given the chance Pooky might be cleared, I feel like I should do this:
VOTE: MURDERCAT

[mastina]

It's part of why I SR Pooky so heavily since he was also pushing up Titus D2.

I think it's really just between Pooky/Mastina at this point for final scum.

This does sound like a block on Pooky to me.

So if Pooky was blocked, then yes I do think last scum is MURDERCAT.

[mastina]

In Among Us scum can marinate players to make them feel trusted.

Speaking of Among Us mechanics:
Task wins are boring; winning by ejecting the last scum is far more entertaining.

Also, in this specific game...if there is indeed a scum sabotager remaining, we may, possibly, never be able to win on tasks if they keep repeatedly sabotaging the few town who haven't completed their tasks.

Granted, it's not a surefire thing.

But I personally would rather we yeet the last scum rather than rely on a task win which may not even be possible. (I imagine it is, because I imagine that even if the last scum can indeed repeatedly sabotage town, there's a tradeoff of some sort.)

But in hindsight I realize that unless I was roleblocked (which would make me conftown, obv), I lack the clout to push for that. (I read my posts and in hindsight realized they were less town than I originally thought they were. They're not terrible, but they're not great, and it'd be ridiculously easy for it to indeed be my scumgame. Ah well. Not much I can do about it anyway since I think the game pretty much is autowin right now, with only one scum left alive.)

[mastina]

Murdercat's a bad vote based on the Flea interactions.

Then if Pooky was roleblocked (with a roleblock being a hard-clear given only one scum left), who is the last scum?

I know it's not me, I don't think anyone who was on both of the D2/D3 scum wagons is scum (which clears MathBlade, Reck, and ManWithNoName), I don't think it's WindowsXP due to a combination of who WindowsXP has pushed and WindowsXP claiming to be sabotaged, I don't think it's you due to the whole FleaVHaschel, which literally leaves:
{SirCakez, Battle Mage, Pooky, MURDERCAT}.

Battle Mage has pretty damn good interactions in regards to scum, in particular, being a heavy pusher of Blitzo the entire game. He's almost certainly not scum here from what he's given.

If Pooky was roleblocked, then Pooky would be hard-cleared as town. (Granted, this is an 'if', we do need to know OutWorldER's target.)

That doesn't leave many options, does it?

If Pooky wasn't roleblocked, sure, Pooky has a pretty damn high chance of being scum.
But if Pooky was roleblocked, then literally the only two possible scum would be SirCakez or MURDERCAT, pretty much.

[mastina]

Actually.
VOTE: SirCakez
I did a control-f search of murdercat's iso for flea and SirCakez's iso for Flea.

Cakez looks like distancing but not bussing until Haschel's case pointed out Flea's "scumslips"--a point where scum would be likely to agree to it being a scumslip and bus.
I have a theory to check on SirCakez's iso tho but I legit think he may be the last one right now.

[mastina]

Okay nevermind on that, theory did not pan out--I control-f'd SirCakez on Bell and Blitzo. Bell could plausibly be SirCakez as scum distancing; Flea was definitely plausible as scum distancing (thus the vote); Blitzo was plausible (albeit slightly less likely) as scum distancing; SirCakez distancing from

all three scumbuddies

and often hopping off of one flipped scum onto a different flipped scum?

Probably not.

VOTE: Pooky
Back to here unless Pooky was roleblocked I guess.

[mastina]

Yes we can win this game by tasks.

VOTE: no elim

We can, but I honestly don't want to.

I would genuinely rather eat the mislynch and be voted out, so that we'd win from ejecting the final scum, rather than win on tasks.

Mafia is more fun as a logic puzzle--and we've gotten 3/4 pieces of the puzzle with plenty of info to find the final piece of it.

I'm all for using mechanics to gain an advantage and if we could easily win on tasks when we couldn't so easily win from ejecting the last scum, I'd be down for it. Because with 2-3 scum alive, the task wincon is by far the easier and more likely one to achieve.

But with only 1 scum left alive, I'd just rather eliminate them and be done with it. Tasks could take us 3-4 days to complete, if they complete at all.

An eject takes one.

But like I said, I do admit: I actually watch a boatload of Among Us streamers and their mindset influences mine. (Universally--literally none of them want to win on tasks; literally all of them want to win off of ejecting the impostor. They see task wins as boring, and I agree with that mindset wholeheartedly.)

I'd happily eject myself for the town to have a shot at winning via the day, rather than wait with literally nothing to do (since I completed my tasks already) for the slow path to victory over multiple days, resolving after some night.

[mastina]

For the record, I did just iso Pooky, who I believe is pretty strongly anti-bussing.

Pooky said almost nothing about Flea the entire game, until after Haschel's case (which, again, to scum who know Flea is scum, would look more damning).
Pooky said almost nothing about Blitzo the entire game, but the little he did was nothing remarkable.
Pooky said very little about Bell the entire game, but locktowned him and asked what the case on him was and overall, was treating Bell far differently this game from Pooky v FL.

So Pooky does look like scum, honestly.

[mastina]

Mastina you look lovely tonight

Flea should be proof enough that, even though I do have the tendency to not want to eliminate people that I'm vibing with and enjoying, I am fully willing to do so push come to shove.

Which is to say, while I appreciate the flattery and you are a joy to have in games, I still think you're the final scum.

[mastina]

Mastina why do you think I should've known Bell would be scum in this game because of FL v Pooky?

Because pichu your soulmason told you Bell was scum there (and did so with some pretty damn hard evidence), Bell in this game was incredibly similar to that game (yes I did compare his iso there and here to confirm this fact; they're not literally identical but are very very very similar), and Bell flipped scum in that game literally 12 hours before he flipped scum in this game.

[mastina]

ok but conversely if I had actually known Bell was scum in this game, I probably wouldn't buy his AtE act in the FL v Pooky right?

I checked--and Bell didn't AtE in this game. Not in the way he did in PookyVFL.

Bell's play outside of his AtE is similar in both games, but his AtE in that game was indeed one of the things separating him in that game from this game.

Bell was incredibly similar in this game and that game, but not at every stage literally identical to the point of AtEing in this game at the end the way he AtEd at the end of PookyvFL. That? That's actually one thing which is different...

...And in fact acts as evidence you're scum here.

Bell, in this game, did not AtE--if you knew his alignment here was scum and that he didn't AtE here, that would explain why you thought his AtE in PookyvFL was from town.

[mastina]

Mastina is looking like the last scum here arguing that we should elim instead of just doing the tasks

Nahhhh the last scum is almost certainly among those saying to win by tasks because they're a fucking coward; I'm no coward.

Pooky was RBed last night. Can we also claim whether we have tasks left?

VOTE: mastina

Better than a no-elimination imo.

For a full claim; my alignment is crew, my role is crew member; I win when all threats to the town have been eliminated or all tasks have been completed; I was given two tasks:
1: my slot must have been in security the night prior to complete this; my slot could not use the words "the" "to" "a" "is" and "you" in any form (so isn't counts for is).
2: my slot must have been in reactor the night prior, AND, remain there until the task was completed. For two days, every post needed to contain a non-sequitur that was unrelated to the game.
I was to PM the mod upon the completion of a task.

Night 1 I was in security with Flea and Bell.
Night 2 I was in reactor with Reck.
Night 3 I was apparently alone, in reactor;
Night 4 I was apparently alone, in reactor.

My first task was already completed when I replaced in.
At the end of D4, during the choice phase, I submitted my task for completion; I was told, 'this task is completed'. I asked the mod to confirm both of my tasks are completed; the mod said that I do not have any outstanding tasks.

[mastina]

It was me, Windows, and Ower in admin N3.

N1: No one
N2: Someone did, it appears to have been Flea.
N3: No one
N4: Someone did affect another room, which I believe would be OWER to Pooky.

Wait, where was Blitzo N3? Was Blitzo with Haschel and Ower N3? Because if Ower was in a different room than Blitzo was N3, shouldn't that show up here?

[mastina]

btw have you noticed my cool shiny "conf-town" card

I moved my vote off of you, I just don't have a scumspect to move it onto and I did promise that I was willing to die for my belief in not wanting to win on tasks, on wanting to win by yeeting the last scum so I figured better to vote myself than just unvote.

[mastina]

It was me, Windows, and Ower in admin N3.

N1: No one
N2: Someone did, it appears to have been Flea.
N3: No one
N4: Someone did affect another room, which I believe would be OWER to Pooky.

Wait, where was Blitzo N3? Was Blitzo with Haschel and Ower N3? Because if Ower was in a different room than Blitzo was N3, shouldn't that show up here?

I do think this is worth answering tho.

Because it could make a very huge difference.

If Blitzo was in the same room as Ower N3 the night Ower blocked Blitzo, then that means, if anyone was sabotaged N3 the saboteur was with them in their room.

If Blitzo was NOT in the same room as Ower N3, then that means,
1: if anyone was sabotaged N3 the saboteur was with them in their room,
2: Blitzo's block does not show up to MWNN's claim,
3: And thus the N4 action was from someone in a different room than Blitzo.

[mastina]

It was me, Windows, and Ower in admin N3.

N1: No one
N2: Someone did, it appears to have been Flea.
N3: No one
N4: Someone did affect another room, which I believe would be OWER to Pooky.

Wait, where was Blitzo N3? Was Blitzo with Haschel and Ower N3? Because if Ower was in a different room than Blitzo was N3, shouldn't that show up here?

I do think this is worth answering tho.

Because it could make a very huge difference.

If Blitzo was in the same room as Ower N3 the night Ower blocked Blitzo, then that means, if anyone was sabotaged N3 the saboteur was with them in their room.

If Blitzo was NOT in the same room as Ower N3, then that means,
1: if anyone was sabotaged N3 the saboteur was with them in their room,
2: Ower's block does not show up to MWNN's claim,
3: And thus the N4 action was from someone in a different room than Ower.

Name fix here for clarity since I derped.

[mastina]

I feel like mastina scum would just concede, I don't think she has a high stake in the game to play it out. DGB is trolly though so she would.

Oh I very much would not. I realize people aren't too familiar with my scumgame due to me having gone basically two years without rolling scum and even when that ridiculously long townstreak (like 23ish games in a row) was broken it was for incredibly lackluster games.

But I never concede, I never give up.

Not even when given the absolute most bullshit of bullshit scumgames where the setup is tremendously horrifically townsided, replacing in to find myself at the end of the night solo-scum, with a scum role designed to be eliminated during the day specifically meant to be eliminated as the last original groupscum.

I am, notably, the opposite; I am someone who would in fact fight to the bitter end, and I have done so on multiple occasions, quite notably so.

[mastina]

mastina if you want to find the last scum look through DGB's iso. Then look through the combined Bell/Flea/blitzo iso. There's your scum.

DGB's iso isn't actually terrible.

It didn't look like it ever had a post restriction, its votes on scum could be busses, but I don't see it as blaringly obviously being DGB. It mostly seemed like DGB being DGB.

Overall conclusion: could definitely be scum but if you were expecting it to be lockscum from the iso, not so. Scum candidate, sure, but not lockscum.

I suppose it's a good enough starting point to do this tho.
VOTE: DGB.

[mastina]

It was me, Windows, and Ower in admin N3.

N1: No one
N2: Someone did, it appears to have been Flea.
N3: No one
N4: Someone did affect another room, which I believe would be OWER to Pooky.

Wait, where was Blitzo N3? Was Blitzo with Haschel and Ower N3? Because if Ower was in a different room than Blitzo was N3, shouldn't that show up here?

I do think this is worth answering tho.

Because it could make a very huge difference.

If Blitzo was in the same room as Ower N3 the night Ower blocked Blitzo, then that means, if anyone was sabotaged N3 the saboteur was with them in their room.

If Blitzo was NOT in the same room as Ower N3, then that means,
1: if anyone was sabotaged N3 the saboteur was with them in their room,
2: Ower's block does not show up to MWNN's claim,
3: And thus the N4 action was from someone in a different room than Ower.

Name fix here for clarity since I derped.

And I do repeat, I want this answered because it can make an actual mechanical difference in solving.

[mastina]

It was me, Windows, and Ower in admin N3.

N1: No one
N2: Someone did, it appears to have been Flea.
N3: No one
N4: Someone did affect another room, which I believe would be OWER to Pooky.

Wait, where was Blitzo N3? Was Blitzo with Haschel and Ower N3? Because if Ower was in a different room than Blitzo was N3, shouldn't that show up here?

I do think this is worth answering tho.

Because it could make a very huge difference.

If Blitzo was in the same room as Ower N3 the night Ower blocked Blitzo, then that means, if anyone was sabotaged N3 the saboteur was with them in their room.

If Blitzo was NOT in the same room as Ower N3, then that means,
1: if anyone was sabotaged N3 the saboteur was with them in their room,
2: Ower's block does not show up to MWNN's claim,
3: And thus the N4 action was from someone in a different room than Ower.

Name fix here for clarity since I derped.

And I do repeat, I want this answered because it can make an actual mechanical difference in solving.

Pagetop!

[mastina]

For the record, searched both dgb and dripping in the isos of Blitzo/Bell/Flea.
The former two I can definitely see as scumbuddies, Flea's iso is the only one which isn't a perfect fit because Flea did push DGB but faer push on DGB could be scum distancing since fae never voted DGB in spite of the suspicion there.

So I can see it.
I don't think DGB's lockscum from it.
But I can see it.

[mastina]

Mastina what is your twilight trolling policy?

I will always insist I am town until the mod flips otherwise.

Well, as scum anyway.

I may have trolled on occasion in twilight as town before, dunno, not sure, honestly don't remember.

But as scum I know for a fact I've always insisted I was town in twilight.

[mastina]

SirCakez, the final imposter is endgamed.

"Bad take" they said.
"Shit vote", they said.

[mastina]

Actually.
VOTE: SirCakez
I did a control-f search of murdercat's iso for flea and SirCakez's iso for Flea.

Cakez looks like distancing but not bussing until Haschel's case pointed out Flea's "scumslips"--a point where scum would be likely to agree to it being a scumslip and bus.
I have a theory to check on SirCakez's iso tho but I legit think he may be the last one right now.

this post has the number two in it.

Actually.
VOTE: SirCakez
I did a control-f search of murdercat's iso for flea and SirCakez's iso for Flea.

Cakez looks like distancing but not bussing until Haschel's case pointed out Flea's "scumslips"--a point where scum would be likely to agree to it being a scumslip and bus.
I have a theory to check on SirCakez's iso tho but I legit think he may be the last one right now.

Also a bad vote

But was it really, tho???

[mastina]

Haschels Flea case is scummy nom worthy for how it turned the tide for Town

It is done.

[mastina]

Scum literally had two chances to double kill which they didnt take.

Yup, my slot was alone with two scum which I realize was one of the reasons why if we weren't going to go for a task-win I'd need to be yeeted for.

[mastina]

For the record: I feel like this game's mechanics may have incentivized the town to claim rooms, but also did have good punishments in place for them doing so. While the double-kill mechanic was one scum may not have been able to use well given the room claim, had the two scum roles designed to counter this strategy not been run up on D3/D4, due to the town's massclaiming of where they'd be, I do think the alt-wincon would've been impossible to achieve. Not hard--utterly impossible.

To put this into standard game mechanics:
If the town has a town doctor and a town cop and a town watcher and the scum have a scum ninja-strongman, the town would normally be punished for massclaiming, because the scum role would eat the town roles alive.
However, if the scum ninia-strongman is eliminated, suddenly, the mechanic used to punish the town from massclaiming is removed, and massclaiming goes from being something harming the town to being something that guarantees a town win.

Similar thing here; the massclaim of location was guaranteed to keep the town from achieving the alt-wincon with the scum PRs alive, but with the scum PRs dead, the town massclaiming guaranteed their ability to fulfill it.

[mastina]

Scum have really been getting steamrolled in larges lately

Yeah I've been playing more larges lately
(If only I did anything this game)

Ditto.

[mastina]

I thoroughly enjoyed these btw[/quote] (Speaking of which, Sykkuno is actually live at this second playing Among Us.)
I do think that, as far as posting restrictions go, non-sequiturs was perhaps the best possible one for me and making them was fun.

[mastina]

OMFG
Mastina is a fan of EGS AND ChilledChaos? Oh glorious day!

I only watch Chilled for Among Us or Canadian-Among-Us (the winter game thats name slips my mind), so I'm a bit of a fake fan.

But EGS I do indeed read.