Among Us Mafia [GAME OVER]

[TheGoldenParadox]

VOTE: gamma saw him vent

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2 as well

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pairing up is probably a better idea

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idk about y'all but both my tasks require specific posts so i think we should try to restrict postcount in later days and focus on thought-out, task checked walls

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safety in numbers TGP

mafia dont get a bonus NK unless room has only 1 good guy

right so they get bonus NKs but we just elim them the next day which is a good trade

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my post restrictions are incredibly strict and as such i think that'll hold true for many others

UNVOTE: because we need to get every conceivable second out of day 1 before deciding, as this is the only un-post-restricted day that we can mechtalk effectively

to that end, i don't understand - at all - a goal of having large groups. just intuitively, it seems like tasks will be pretty evenly spread across rooms, so having large groups restricts the amount of tasks we can do total. i think we should have groups of 2, maybe 3 if necessary - groups of 3 are entirely safe, groups of 2 are a 1 scum 1 town trade, which is worth it even for the most obvtown players

to that end, we're going to have to leash as effectively as possible without risking giving large amounts of information to scum. i'm considering if it's possible to develop some sort of method to decide what room everyone is going to WITHOUT divulging in advance the tasks of each player, and i don't believe we should continue to claim rooms until we have deduced if this is in fact possible.

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this entire game will be quite difficult for both scumhunting and mech discussion after d1 so we need to hash as much as we can out right now and very very carefully go over our posts the next couple of days
scumhunting will be further affected by the common tell of scum analyzing and reading over their posts more before posting, so keep that in mind because everyone will now be doing that

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my post restrictions are incredibly strict and as such i think that'll hold true for many others

UNVOTE: because we need to get every conceivable second out of day 1 before deciding, as this is the only un-post-restricted day that we can mechtalk effectively

to that end, i don't understand - at all - a goal of having large groups. just intuitively, it seems like tasks will be pretty evenly spread across rooms, so having large groups restricts the amount of tasks we can do total. i think we should have groups of 2, maybe 3 if necessary - groups of 3 are entirely safe, groups of 2 are a 1 scum 1 town trade, which is worth it even for the most obvtown players

to that end, we're going to have to leash as effectively as possible without risking giving large amounts of information to scum. i'm considering if it's possible to develop some sort of method to decide what room everyone is going to WITHOUT divulging in advance the tasks of each player, and i don't believe we should continue to claim rooms until we have deduced if this is in fact possible.

I do not think groups of two is a good idea.

why. why is groups of two not a good idea when every player in the game is leashed?

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VOTE: Pooky

Pooky/Alisae are scum.

Immediately trying to get town to divulge all the information scum could possibly want, pushing NE's so they don't have to face any possible pressure, and distracting town away from actual scumhunting with our alternate win condition.

All of this is a favorable game-state for scum, not town. Town should want the locations they have to go to be secret so that scum can't plan where they're going without making reads (outside of circumstances were Town should want to team up with other Town in a hood.) Town should want scum elims for obvious reasons AND to reduce likelihood of the big scary extra kill. Town will still want regular elims for the reasons we always want regular elims. Tasks become distributable anyways when they die and we can push the public tasks to people who are widely TR'd and already going to the same location (which would be a scenario we'd actually want to have people claiming tasks.)

Thank you for coming to my TED talk. Please stop falling for scum ploys to give them a favorable gamestate.

absolutely terrible
horrific
disgusting post
and you're probably town for it, because this level of superior reasoning doesn't come from scum

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there must be safeguards in place for us to not simply out all information d1 and no elim our way to a task victory
fundamentally trying to diverge from a normal game of Mafia on d1 setup speculation does not seem at all likely to pan out into a win

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ewww, but i dont like that people say ower is town WHILE disparaging his post. 229

his reasons in that post are the same reasons why im not shelving pooky/ali here.

essentially, his post lacks GOOD reasons. he calls this a favorable game-state for scum when there's, like, a very simple explanation and reasonably plausible town motivation behind the posts of both pooky and alisae. he attacks them for "scum ploys" when it's very reasonable for this to be coming from motivated driven town.

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But then this one is basically saying the same point I've been trying to scream at other people the entire time?

because the way you say it is absolutely, horribly, terrible
you not only attempt to attack alisae and pooky, but you, just, ascribe scum motivation to them when their thought processes and posts are absolutely your point
and like, i still 80% agree with them, i'm agreeing with you to an extent, but from what I can see you're completely ignoring the unique mechanics of this game.
essentially. they're going a bit overboard on trying to game mechanics they don't know enough about, but you are not only attacking them for that, you're doing the opposite, far more strongly than they are

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i've come to the conclusion that no eliminating is not a good idea. the simple reason is that we NEED a scumflip. like alisae said, we want to know what alignment wants what in terms of original setup, and thus no eliminating denies us a scumflip and provides us with no way out if our mechanical plan fails for any one of a myriad of reasons.

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He's saying he thinks that your reasoning is too detailed to come from scum.
But he's head slapping you and telling you what the pecking order is.
Maybe, probably?

I don't agree tho, I think scum role spec quite often and then come into the game and lead on that foot because it's unblemished from a scum role perspective.
It's a good entry and always tends to get scum town read early game before better reasons shine through (or don't).

who are you talking about in this post

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I feel like I said this.

you DID say this, but you said it accompanied with a bunch of other, far worse points.
you already made, like, this exact same mistake in mbos large. don't make it again.

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VoteCount 1.11

murdercat [1]

PookyTheMagicalBear

akarin [1]

flea the magician

blitzo [1]

drippinggoofball

Flea the magician [1]

Haschel Cedricson

Alisae [1]

xRECKONERx

thegoldenparadox [1]

akarin

Gamma Emerald [1]

TheGoldenParadox

Sircakez [1]

murdercat

No Elim [1]

sircakez

pookythemagicalbear[1]

OutWorldER

Not Voting [7]

Blitzo, gamma emerald, alisae, titus, Bell Battle mage taly

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

i unvoted in 377

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depends
light could be off
something could be blocking
if you're near lights, and someone vents out of electrical, then you don't necessarily see them
anyways, making arguments based on source material again with little information is probably not great

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okay so i actually have three tasks... kind of

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essentially i have two tasks, but one of them lasts two nights and two succeeding days

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Ya I want some Chaos
I trust you to create that environment

You're town, Pooky is town, that's what I got so far.

this is an incredibly interesting read from you. could you elaborate?

by incredibly interesting from you, i've heard you're an exceptional player and this read feels pretty "easy", so i'd love elaboration.

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i'm actually going to claim one of my rooms - security - and avoid claiming the other for a couple of reasons

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VOTE: Blitzo

I think I'm ready to leave RVS

murdercat seems energetic here in a way that i think is quite towny
inclined to agree with dgb that alisae is town, feel more iffy on pooky but i generally am not able to get solid reads in either direction on pooky anyways
out is town, reck is (unfortunately) probably town, but i'm agreeing with people that haschel is following reck in a very lazy manner that seems more likely to come from scum VOTE: haschel

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akarin is town

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There was a lot of nonsense in those pages but that's what I gleaned from my catchup.
I definitely feel like I missed a thing or two but I've completely forgotten what they were.
I need to double back and check again at some point because I remember feeling they were important when I had them but I didn't write them down like the fool that I am.
I did note that HC has a wagon on him and I'd like to know where that's coming from.

oh just kidding, this is MUCH worse VOTE: blitzo and i'm fairly confident blitzo/haschel are s/s

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My second thought was that TGP was entirely forgettable.
I might let that develop for a bit and see what happens.

this is like, really funny considering that something like half the slots in this game currently are "entirely forgettable"

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My second thought was that TGP was entirely forgettable.
I might let that develop for a bit and see what happens.

obviously i can't prove this, but i think blitzo wrote this AFTER previewing and faked it so they didn't

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because they want to cast shade on a slot that is beginning to push them?
like, i genuinely do not understand the reasoning behind calling me "entirely forgettable" when 1) half the slots are entirely forgettable and 2) if i'm forgettable, how did you remember me enough to specifically single me out as forgettable

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blitzo is like, straight scum

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dgb, after page 39 do you think blitzo is a better elim

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obviously i can't prove this, but i think blitzo wrote this AFTER previewing and faked it

Probably not but this is a town thing to say I think

battle mage is like, fairly town to me and i'm not inclined to eliminate there

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i think my philosophy today is "lim scum or not at all"
so it goes limming scum > no elim > limming town, as opposed to limming scum > limming town > no elim like most games

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blitzo is just scum
i will case this later

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Hi.
Will be catching up either later or tomorrow.
Is there anything in particular anyone would like me to look at?

Work is far busier than I thought.
Will not be officially catching up until later tonight, though I'll be lurking about until then.
I've read a number of pages (up to about page 10 I think) and I think MC is suspicious for pushing cake for supposedly agreeing with a similar assessment of the plan.
Reads like changing his opinions based on nothing.
As for claiming tasks and rooms, I'm not sure I'll do that yet.
I will wait until I catch up before making a decision on whether or not I should do so.

There is way too much pointless drivel right now.
Not sure how I feel about it either, considering how big the game is.
I might start perusing that group instead.

Let's start by looking at this opening from Blitzo. He begins with promises to catch up, but work is busy. Sure. Then he attacks the thread for being "pointless drivel", when most of it is genuine mechanical conversation and discussion that has unveiled at least a decent bit of information. He promises to "officially catch up" later, but in 893 he uses working to explain not catching up - again - and then says it's pointless regardless. 963 calls the thread nonsense yet again.
Not interacting with the thread, repeatedly promising to catch up and then not doing so, calling essentially everything that had been said pointless. This isn't coming from a town mindset, I don't think - it's coming from scum who don't feel the need to actually catch up and sort in any way.

Work is calling again, busy until a bit later unfortunately.
I will note that voting into the no elims might prove fruitful - I feel like that's an idea that's obviously bad so there could be something behind it.
BM being there probably means something.

This post confuses me for a couple of reasons - supporting an idea that's "obviously bad" because it "might prove fruitful," using a single scumread (who's also... not much of a scumread, considering that by that point, the only thing Blitzo had posted about BM was "@OWER - I can see that you want to get the ball rolling on BM but is there anything else actually behind that?") to justify this admittedly obviously bad idea.

Just generally, I don't see the motivation behind Blitzo's posts as coming from a solving, town mindset.

Oh never mind I just remembered what they were.
DGB has been voting me since pretty early in yet only came up with reasons after some time had passed?
I was leaning town there but I feel like that's just coming up with excuses later.
I think I really need more engagement from her considering it feels like a storyline is being developed there and I don't like it.
I also feel like I addressed the supposed "case" on me a little while ago and nothing changed for some reason?
I also don't know what it means that I don't want to "spar" someone.
I mean I'm here in yet she's talking around me trying to get people to vote me.
What's up?
My second thought was that TGP was entirely forgettable.
I might let that develop for a bit and see what happens.
PEDIT - Speak of the devil. What's wrong with my post TGP?

I've pointed out why the last two sentences here are bad in 979
but the rest of this post is bad as well. attacking people (specifically dgb) simply for pushing you is classic newbscum behavior, and trying to throw shade on your wagon by calling it a "supposed 'case'" and generally attacking his own wagon specifically like this is a lot closer to scum behaviour and motivation than town.

@DGB - was this whole scumread thing a ploy to get me to vote for BM?
@Akarin - What exactly do you mean by "bonus kills?"
Sorry if I missed it, I checked your ISO and I know that you've been talking about it but I'm just not really seeing it.
A task win as a primary win where we outrace scum by doing tasks before they simply kill us can't be possible.
Like...That

can't

be right.

Pedit - reck has pretty much said everything I wanted to say about it.

the task win is absolutely possible in source material and explicitly an alternate way of town winning the game, but blitzo literally dismisses it out of hand and cites Reck in the same way that Haschel does. i genuinely do not understand why you think this is impossible, but please shift your perceptions here.

so i know i've voted blitzo already but VOTE: blitzo to hammer the point home - this is scum.

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Why is Blitzo scum? Like legit, I’ve actually gotten some good vibes from him so far.

1495

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Man do I want to scumhunt
or do I just want to win through tasks

this 100% just decides if I no elim today

i genuinely think that both options are served more by elimming than no elimming

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Man do I want to scumhunt
or do I just want to win through tasks

Please don't do this. It's probably not good for anyone's mindset.

@TGP, who else is scum?

haschel, probably

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please explain to me
why in the world we are voting murdercat
who is transparently bleeding town
and not blitzo
who is transparently bleeding scum

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i've cased blitzo enough there not much i have left to say
will try to towncase murdercat but i'm not sure i have the energy
maybe they are just very nice scum :/

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i am actually confused tho when did the groupthink shift from nolim to elimination

when a few people were scummy

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just kidding the group think was never at nolim

i genuinely do not understand this game at all but will try my best here
the bm wagon is not great. i don't have particularly strong feelings towards it, but considering i by and large scumread or nullread the people on it, BL is likely town.
after reevaluating the entire murdercat thing, i'm a bit confused on why a wagon exists there but i don't think a nolim is good here and i also think it is town driven and if i'm right on blitzo, wagonomics implies murdercat scum because of the development of the BM counterwagon so VOTE: murdercat

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yeah everyone voting murdercat is just town i feel good about this

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This game gets much easier for me if I believed

MC and/or BM

were scum but I'm not thinking this way here.

They're so disconnected and the OPPOSITE of bussy if they truly were S/S wanting to distance. You'd think one or both would be gung-ho on limming the other.

And as scum individually, they're BOTH on wagons LESS powerful than them.

No Lim/Blitzo

.

I'm either a complete village idiot or one of the most accurate people in this game right now.

please explain to me
why in the world we are voting murdercat
who is transparently bleeding town
and not blitzo
who is transparently bleeding scum

just kidding the group think was never at nolim

i genuinely do not understand this game at all but will try my best here
the bm wagon is not great. i don't have particularly strong feelings towards it, but considering i by and large scumread or nullread the people on it, BL is likely town.
after reevaluating the entire murdercat thing, i'm a bit confused on why a wagon exists there but i don't think a nolim is good here and i also think it is town driven and if i'm right on blitzo, wagonomics implies murdercat scum because of the development of the BM counterwagon so VOTE: murdercat

Try to convince me within the timespan of 200 posts how you shifted from thinking

MC

was bleeding town and that

Blitzo

- your longest running scumread - was the best lim option, to the alternative scenario of

Murder

being scum.

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

Alisae has really vanished from this game and I don't like it

i have such a love/hate thought process toward

alisae

in this game rn

wagonomics

more specifically, like, a bunch of my townreads are supporting a murdercat vote, a bunch of my scumreads are supporting counterwagons to that
my reads individually, eh. the clear polarization makes me think that murdercat is scum. and their (imo opportunistic) vote on me isn't helping matters.

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VOTE: haschel

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TWO HOURS TWO HOURS GET HASCHEL NOW

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VOTE: Titus

Ew

^^agreed
deadline compromises y'all go vote haschel

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task hard will post rarely on mobile
might post bit more often on computer bc control f but idk

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VOTE: Alisae

useless vote
you mountain goat

VOTE: maestro

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Titus giving off more townvibes today than yesterday (0 town vibes).

agreed

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vote scumaestro

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because replacement

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think titus town

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Namely, TGP and I are two-nighters, so I don't think we can move

right

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damn VOTE: bell

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ridiculous prod timer

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ok w/e so

reck

was with probably with

tgp (or someone else)

in some place that wasn't

Admin

.

either way, everybody seems on board with the assertion that

Admin

consisted of only

Taly/Haschel/Flea

?

id like to hear from

tgp

just to be certain.

yeah, i have no evidence to the contrary and i don't think y'all would be lying


i like pillows they're comfy

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i was not supposed to remain in security, and my claim was security and one other room that i had to stay in - i completed my security task, and was with reck last night in a room that i requested he not divulge because i don't want to get locked out of it tonight
reck is conftown to me

i started playing chess again today

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VOTE: blitzo

i think this is good, blitzo hasn't really done anything to remove my scumread on him.

zoom is some great videoconferencing software

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i swear i just posted here

internet explorer is a terrible browser

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hm. i'm not sure i have too much to say to be totally honest, other than the essentially conftown that is reck. blitzo is still terrible, as is haschel. calling me "lazy and scummy" is a really interesting way to justify a scumread.

i like trains

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My first task completed successfully, by the way.

mine did as well!

stop getting banned