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I like this plan.
I have 2 tasks, one in security, one in Navigation. I'm not sure if it's a good or bad idea to get an overview of where everybody's headed.
1) what power role have you not been that you want to try out, and why? Don’t factor in your current role, answer this question assuming you are vanilla this game.
Town tree stump.
2) If you were scum, who would be your a) D1 miselim push, b) N1 kill, and c) partner you’d want to bus you and go to the end, given each person was the correct alignment for that specific action?
You. Dunno. Battlemage.
3) What is your skill with mechanic-heavy setups? If you’re not skilled at them, do you intend to get better with practice or rely on others?
Garbage. Though, this one doesn't seem super complex. First time dealing with chat restrictions tho. Both.
4) What is your favorite candy?
Sour patch kids I am a terrible person.
5) What would you say is your biggest strength and biggest weakness as town/scum/in general?
It's a pain in the butt for town me to be eliminated. As scum I suck and low effort. Probably impulse control.
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Nope. If somebody does it would probably be a good idea to claim that now. Good spot.In post 258, Akarin wrote:Does anyone have post restrictions that will really strongly impair playing the game as normal on later days?
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I can't decide if this is a good idea or not.
Assuming scum have to have a way to interfere shouldn't we hunt for them first and then shift gears once that role is dead?
I don't like chasing shadows/making assumptions, but this seems to be a safe one to make and should easily be proven/disproven either during the room phase or post room phase.- Bell
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In post 377, TheGoldenParadox wrote:my post restrictions are incredibly strict and as such i think that'll hold true for many others
UNVOTE: because we need to get every conceivable second out of day 1 before deciding, as this is the only un-post-restricted day that we can mechtalk effectively
to that end, i don't understand - at all - a goal of having large groups. just intuitively, it seems like tasks will be pretty evenly spread across rooms, so having large groups restricts the amount of tasks we can do total. i think we should have groups of 2, maybe 3 if necessary - groups of 3 are entirely safe, groups of 2 are a 1 scum 1 town trade, which is worth it even for the most obvtown players
to that end, we're going to have to leash as effectively as possible without risking giving large amounts of information to scum. i'm considering if it's possible to develop some sort of method to decide what room everyone is going to WITHOUT divulging in advance the tasks of each player, and i don't believe we should continue to claim rooms until we have deduced if this is in fact possible.
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He's saying he thinks that your reasoning is too detailed to come from scum.
But he's head slapping you and telling you what the pecking order is.
Maybe, probably?
I don't agree tho, I think scum role spec quite often and then come into the game and lead on that foot because it's unblemished from a scum role perspective.
It's a good entry and always tends to get scum town read early game before better reasons shine through (or don't).- Bell
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I feel like I'm in a spiral and this is just death curse again with the same argument but perhaps a different result.
I'd ask what those points were, but it seems irrelevant since I was still picking the reasoning apart and my baseline reasoning on mechanics is poor as stated.
Suffice to say, that I don't agree with your town read for the reasoning stated, but think you're a good enough player that you'll be able to delineate his alignment later on if wrong(hopefully).- Bell
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Alisae town pinged.
Murdercat sidey.
@Titus: I am scared of your scum game. But also, you always scum ping me, even when you're town so like, meh.
Might have lost it in the mess but did we end up deciding who was going where and with who?
Think Alisae missed in, but to reiterate destination: Security, navigation. Can go to either, as needed.
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Solving slumber party and if my reads are right you stab me?In post 857, Taly wrote:
unsure because i havent givenIn post 855, Bell wrote:^ You think Flea's bussing or?BMhis due investigation but i wouldnt be surprised
or the inverse in thatfleawould be prepping for a bus onhaschel
even then, i wouldnt been keen to search for associative-tells like this just yet.
but why do you ask? what is your read on these three players above?
also, we're both in navigationbell;D you know what that means...
Haschel meh, BM and Flea slight town. But nothing ground breaking.
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I guess I'll make my own brand of argument for why I don't think no flipping is a good idea.
Stealing from others.
1. Scum gunna run interference of some kind. Whether that interference is strong enough or not is up to the murdercatto true believers and cynicaldoggos of the world.
2. Blah, blah, info to solve/majority town controlled elim is better than 100% scum chosen elim (usually? I should probably look that up) blah,blah, blah you've heard it all before in every no elimination? mafia thread that has ever been posted.
3. If you think it's hard to hunt now when there are no post restrictions get ready for rhyming Bear trying to explain why xyz is scum.
Counter arguments:.
1. I doubt it.
2.Game winning through task solving if we start right now COULD conceivably work. It's just making an argument from ignorance.
3. Even when we can talk straight we're usually wrong anyway, lol. Maybe it will make us more accurate instead I dunno. But more arguments from ignorance. sry.
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@Taly,
Pooky, alisae, you (or you're doing a good job of faking some pretty detailed thoughts!), Flea,
even though I gave a warning about the doggo the doggo is still town spewing from my pov.
The rest are kinda meh, I could prolly point to weak town leans/scum leans but per post it would balance on and off.
Titus I'm rapidly vacillitating on because she looks like obv scum, but she's always scum/third party so.
Have I even played with town titus.
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I only crumbed crackers this game.In post 934, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Bell I think it's time- Bell
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In post 1062, Titus wrote:
Random means we don't accomplish tasks.In post 1061, Akarin wrote:
If it's like 5 people trying to group it's not much different than random is the point.In post 1055, MURDERCAT wrote:Everyone agrees this is bad though right? We need to at least let the people who want to group, group.
And no, I'm not sure everyone agrees this is bad. A lot of people keep saying things that make me think theydon'tactually agree this is bad.
I'm not doing random. Period.
Are you going to go where you say you're going to go?
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1263# This is town Bell speaking, yes. Yes, Hello, thank you.
Why you not interested in Titus? /:
1266: DGB. Do you still think that town tell works most of the time? You tr'd Shellyc for it in dance game.
1274: Yeah, that isn't worth keeping under your hat until near lim. kinda think it's townie that you said you weren't going to elaborate and then did anyway tho.
1281: No.
1285: What's the difference between DGB's behavior and TGP's? Eh, you're not wrong that the noise to content ratio is a little jagy from Flea. It's weird, cause I just got out of a game with Flea and faeseemedlike low simmering scum in that game but ended up being town. But I like their cheerier play here and they are contenting.
1289: Show me the brain spew, on your thoughts on a player, any player. That's not BM.
Re: Blitzo/BM wagons.
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BM has posted a lot. I think he's handling the pressure well if scum and seems fairly confident he's town this game.
I understand there's a lot of ground to cover but could you brain spew about someone you'd find easy to read?
I don't know your level of mafia experience, can you share so I can have an idea of my expectations in regards to your hunting ability?- Bell
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hmmm?In post 1349, SirCakez wrote:
hmmmIn post 1335, Bell wrote:This is town Bell speaking, yes. Yes, Hello, thank you.
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Gunna put you down as inexperienced on mafiascum.net meta.In post 1352, Blitzo wrote:Can someone explain to me why TGP is town?
Akarin's read is probably the third or fourth person that has stated such in yet I see no reasons for any of them.
Why is it so hard to get people to explain things this game?
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@Blitzo. This is a good enough explanation for you in regards to early play in this game state. That plus, you know, intuition/scum bullshit.In post 1343, DrippingGoofball wrote:@Taky My votes are to make the game move forward, not to barter. To create alignment indicative content. Pressure people, force them to take stances, inspire them to participate. Yeet scum if I do it right.- Bell
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Good stuff.In post 1364, Akarin wrote:
In brief, I don't agree with all Gamma's reads, I think some of them are kind of ridiculous, but I kind of see where most of the stuff he says is coming from and it seems very actively solvey. Posts like 516 or 1029. Or the "scumslip" argument on Reck and then dropping it and thinking Reck was stubborn town rather than getting tunneled on it.In post 1346, Bell wrote:Could you explain Gamma, Titus, and if you have time (you can half ass it) Pooky?
Titus it's partly that she's sitting stubbornly on No Elimination despite wanting the wagons for scumhunting. She could be pushing a wagon on town if she were scum, it's reasonably likely, and if she were scum, having more wagon analysis for BS later would be useful, but she's stubbornly sticking to what she thinks is best for town. Is it that impossible that she could have agreed with Alisae "for the wagon analysis" or something?
Also her mini argument with me yesterday, I thought she resolved in a very pro-town way when it would have been trivial to make that more anti-town.
Pooky it's the joy of trying to solve the setup stuff and how I feel we're kind of mind-melding on parts of it and I feel some frustrated-bear at places when I was feeling frustrated too. Not in the way that tons of people just want to whine about too much mech talk or "still being in RVS" (which yes, I know was Titus, but I don't think it's a scum thing, just a counterproductive thing that happens in a lot of games). Pooky feels like he's having the same thought process around some of this stuff in a way that I don't think is easy to fake.
1. I don't get Gamma's confidence or where it comes from in regards to his reads. Normally I would think scum faking conviction if I didn't have peripheral and direct experience with him playing this way as town. Mostly, it's just weird and not very convincing.
2. I don't think titus is the only player that gets at least a little something from VCA, if anything it doesn't make sense that she wants to end the day with less information than we would've gathered through normal play.
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I was just hedging because I didn't personally verify it.In post 1372, Blitzo wrote:@Bell - I am an alt?
I'm not really sure what you're saying here.
@Taly - my statement about TGP was aimed at Bell, not you.
PEDIT - MC is correct that I have claimed to be an alt in another game, so I'm not sure where you get the idea that I'm lying about it.
When I see player show up in a large theme and I don't remember seeing them before I think Alt account. But your lack of familiarity with early game play from more advanced players puts some of your play into perspective.
Just, do an analysis of a player and deduce whether you think they're town or scum. It doesn't matter who you do it on, you can do it on me for all I care. I just want to see if you're hunting. - Bell
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