Among Us Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Battle Mage]

Alright. I wanna start off with an RQS this game. Questions are as follows:

1) what power role have you not been that you want to try out, and why? Don’t factor in your current role, answer this question assuming you are vanilla this game.
2) If you were scum, who would be your a) D1 miselim push, b) N1 kill, and c) partner you’d want to bus you and go to the end, given each person was the correct alignment for that specific action?
3) What is your skill with mechanic-heavy setups? If you’re not skilled at them, do you intend to get better with practice or rely on others?
4) What is your favorite candy?
5) What would you say is your biggest strength and biggest weakness as town/scum/in general?

1. I'd like to be cult leader in a game where my entire cult didn't bus me to death.
2.a. probably you b. probably Titus c. Pooky or DGB
3. Generally bad, but I played a similar game to this recently. I was so bad I somehow managed to die twice before anyone else had died. But it was so fun!!
4. Candy bad.
5. Biggest strength as town = pretty much never getting mis-elimmed. Biggest strength as scum = mostly winning because my bad reads are a benefit

[Battle Mage]

MechPooky:

10 rooms

4->3->3

Nelim to win? More town people = faster task completion

what happens to tasks when ppl die though? do we have to do fewer tasks?

[Battle Mage]

what happens to tasks when ppl die though? do we have to do fewer tasks?

when people die their tasks get distributed we can figure out a good system for this later.

ah in that case, yeah i like the no-elim plan. I have fewer tasks than you I think.

[Battle Mage]

i guess the alternative to all moving in a pack would be for people to pair up - easy way to identify scum.

[Battle Mage]

I have 1 I think. I go to a room, then I do my task.

[Battle Mage]

I assume Shea has put enough thought into this that this probably won't just win the game for us.
I also assume that we can't just no elim to a task victory easily.
Not that I'm saying we shouldn't do this but ya know

maybe but im not seeing the hole right now!

[Battle Mage]

idk about y'all but both my tasks require specific posts so i think we should try to restrict postcount in later days and focus on thought-out, task checked walls

endorsed

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Murdercat

[Battle Mage]

every1 claim what rooms you need for your tasks

i will excel it and figure out optimal pathing

alisae will probly do it faster and better

electricity room?

[Battle Mage]

yeah

[Battle Mage]

yo Alisae - let's go electrical first!

[Battle Mage]

just electrical

[Battle Mage]

Tasks
Player	Number of Tasks	Location 1	Location 2
MURDERCAT	2	Location 1	Location 2
Blitzo	2	Location 1	Location 2
xRECKONERx	2	Location 1	Location 2
TheGoldenParadox	2	Location 1	Location 2
Flea The Magician	2	Location 1	Location 2
Haschel Cedricson	2	Location 1	Location 2
DrippingGoofball	2	Location 1	Location 2
Battle Mage	2	Electrical
Gamma Emerald	2	Location 1	Location 2
Alisae	2	Electrical	Admin
Titus	2	Location 1	Location 2
OutWorldER	2	Location 1	Location 2
Taly	2	Location 1	Location 2
SirCakez	2	Location 1	Location 2
Akarin	2	Location 1	Location 2
PookyTheMagicalBear	2	Cafe	Nav
Bell	2	Location 1	Location 2

screw this!!!

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: XreckonerX

[Battle Mage]

they were like
nope
vented out of teh gamethread

[Battle Mage]

can someone please update the list with my stuff. it's some crazy trickery...

[Battle Mage]

well outing the locations is good and bad
good because we can make a plan
bad because scum can mess with that plan presumably

maybe but i'd rather have the entire game leashed so people dont wander off and murder each other in the room they shouldn't be in

I'm with you bud!!

[Battle Mage]

can someone please update the list with my stuff. it's some crazy trickery...

I thought I did.
Am I missing something?

i think we cross-posted, don't worry!

[Battle Mage]

well outing the locations is good and bad
good because we can make a plan
bad because scum can mess with that plan presumably

Lol are you actually scum cake

you think outing everything now is good? I see too much risk

we've started now dude. I'm totally down with elimming in the pool of those who won't claim if we have such a thing.

[Battle Mage]

tbh if Battle Mage kills me in electrical
I'm happy with that

don't worry, you can trust me

[Battle Mage]

I feel pretty relaxed with Pooky in charge - he knows how to do this game.

[Battle Mage]

also Pooky probs town

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: no elim

i'm on the board

[Battle Mage]

should we all claim task number? i see no reason not to

I have 2

I have one.
I plan on doing mine asap so I can pick up one of the other tasks and then do it.

I like your style Titus. I was planning on doing mine, and then kicking back on Night 2

[Battle Mage]

every1 claim what rooms you need for your tasks

i will excel it and figure out optimal pathing

alisae will probly do it faster and better

electricity room?

wait you really only have 1 room to go to?

Same and it happens to be the same room.

So it looks like BM and I are sharing a room for the night.

goshdarn Titus, are you going to kill me?

[Battle Mage]

I feel pretty relaxed with Pooky in charge - he knows how to do this game.

Wait you relaxed with someone else in charge?

Completely! the last time we played a game similar to this I got singled out and killed by scum immediately. Pooky didn't realise I was dead and tried to rescue me....dying himself in the process.

He knows that people getting picked off sucks, and is coming up with a plan to avoid that. Total townvibes.

[Battle Mage]

u should've come with me to the parking lot and we would've townblocked with Tally/Ariel but instead you ran off to get drunk

lol that fking freezer mate...I still can't believe it.

[Battle Mage]

every1 claim what rooms you need for your tasks

i will excel it and figure out optimal pathing

alisae will probly do it faster and better

electricity room?

wait you really only have 1 room to go to?

Same and it happens to be the same room.

So it looks like BM and I are sharing a room for the night.

goshdarn Titus, are you going to kill me?

Nope but given tasks can repeat, we may have the same task (if you're town). If not,

you can't use your bonus kill on me

. So I'm uneasily ok with staying with you.

Is that a slip? You know only scum get the bonus kill right?

[Battle Mage]

i laughed so hard reading that scene where you were reading the newspaper and rubberducky came up behind u and jabbed you lol

the funniest thing in whole game for me was how Amb describe the scene of me sprinting up and down the stairs in the library, ripping up newspapers, grabbing random books and waving my magic booze-stick around

[Battle Mage]

what are you talking about BM???

lol the last game we played like this - it was mad!

[Battle Mage]

Is that a slip? You know only scum get the bonus kill right?

I want you to reread what you just replied to and tell me why your posting is bad here.

did you even claim yet? one thing at a time my friend

[Battle Mage]

I need to be in the same room 2 nights in a row.

This might throw a wrench in the claim plan.

Battle Mage can go to the room ur in then.

hmm or we send Titus?

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage has 1 task so it should be fine.
I can also go w/ Battle Mage so you feel safer, I have a 2nd task but I don't mind it if it would make you feel safer

I'm not planning to go anywhere without 3/4 people minimum.

[Battle Mage]

So do Imposters have a regular NK in addition to the alone-with-a-crewmember NK?

yes

[Battle Mage]

this will be a strange mafia game where no scumhunting is required

[Battle Mage]

it doesnt matter if someone needs to be in a room two nights in a row. the point of leashing the entire PL is that nobody can wander off and kill you when u r in that room alone on night 2

I think if we're mostly no lynching, it might not be terrible to allow an opportunity for scum to kill an extra player to be created. We're trading a town for a mafia.
I need to think on it some more though and I might also be missing a detail.

I'd have thought we should pick 1 strategy and go all-in with it, rather than hedging between 2 and potentially failing at both.

We either go for the task wincon, or go for elimming scum.

[Battle Mage]

I think allowing the opportunity for scum to get an extra kill is important
we also shouldn't be sending anyone that's too important if we do try to create opportunities for scum to kill. Town can benefit off of a townie that needs to be sorted dieing.

I'm not sure on this though.

if we're just going to do the tasks and win, does sorting even matter though?

[Battle Mage]

it doesnt matter if someone needs to be in a room two nights in a row. the point of leashing the entire PL is that nobody can wander off and kill you when u r in that room alone on night 2

I meant in terms of how many nights it make take to complete. We can't just visit X number of rooms each night and cover each room on 1 night.

Maybe not enough people have combinations like mine for it to matter, but wanted to claim this before we get too far.

Also splitting into smaller groups where the towniest players are paired makes sense, but if scum have a regular NK they can potentially frame people.

ah i hadnt thought about the framing thing. do the kills take place at the same time though?

[Battle Mage]

if we can distinguish between them, it's not a problem

[Battle Mage]

Like I'm not okay with obvtown getting killed via the extra kill mechanic, so it would be someone that town would be okay with dieing.

pedit: I mean I think we can try to go for a task any% speedrun but I think if we get handed a free scum lynch we should take it?

agree if it's on a plate due to a cop investigation or something, but otherwise I'm not keen on us elimming through half-assed scumhunting when we are all handicapped with post restrictions and the like.

[Battle Mage]

Wait, wait, wait.
Is there even any hunting in this game.

i think that's what we're trying to establish now mate. My guess is, maybe not.

[Battle Mage]

suddenly I want to yeet Flea for making my page size double
and also for doing the RQS thats gross

not to mention calling me scum coz i claimed my room

[Battle Mage]

I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.

a. isnt quite right - if scum kill you, your task dont get done?

best to check with Pooky/Alisae anyway

[Battle Mage]

I also want to claim that my post restrictions aren't so bad. Like I could have a pretty much normal day while adhering to them both days, just might say some slightly weird stuff.

I've already broken both of my task post restrictions ୧(=ʘ͡ᗜʘ͡=)୨

it probably only counts once you've done the task

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Pooky

Pooky/Alisae are scum.

Immediately trying to get town to divulge all the information scum could possibly want, pushing NE's so they don't have to face any possible pressure, and distracting town away from actual scumhunting with our alternate win condition.

All of this is a favorable game-state for scum, not town. Town should want the locations they have to go to be secret so that scum can't plan where they're going without making reads (outside of circumstances were Town should want to team up with other Town in a hood.) Town should want scum elims for obvious reasons AND to reduce likelihood of the big scary extra kill. Town will still want regular elims for the reasons we always want regular elims. Tasks become distributable anyways when they die and we can push the public tasks to people who are widely TR'd and already going to the same location (which would be a scenario we'd actually want to have people claiming tasks.)

Thank you for coming to my TED talk. Please stop falling for scum ploys to give them a favorable gamestate.

oh dear

[Battle Mage]

I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.

Cool ur with me

Ok great. Then Battle Mage can come too. I won't feel so awkward having someone I know there with me.

pfft, now i dont wanna come

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE:

I think I still want to wield the stick of elimming someone who refuses to claim.

[Battle Mage]

i prefer bigger groups

[Battle Mage]

i think it's most likely that Alisae is town and Titus is scum. Akarin town, Pooky town, Cakez town.

[Battle Mage]

should we all claim task number? i see no reason not to

I have 2

I think it helps with allocating dead tasks so yeah
I have 1

electric?

[Battle Mage]

why are there only two votes for no elim

@pooky/ali

lots of ppl havent claimed yet.

[Battle Mage]

its gonna be way harder for us to have this mech discussion on D2/3/4 after we are post restricted

thats why i wanted to do it on D1.

Outworld is massively susp for his posts but he could just be cranky town who refuses to think this thru first

yeah i dont think Outworld is scum here

[Battle Mage]

outworldER obvtowning.

I'm not going in a pair. I'm not convinced I'm going in a 3.

[Battle Mage]

agree with the bear

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: titus

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Haschel

[Battle Mage]

are we really moving away from the idea of a systematic and cohesive team approach, to a free-for-all?

[Battle Mage]

yeah thats true

[Battle Mage]

Ya I want some Chaos
I trust you to create that environment

Is this free reign to just run around the ship like a lunatic? ( ͡◉ ͜ʖ ͡◉)

Also Flea while ur at it what do you think of Titus

Cautious at the moment, People are saying she's more vote and wagon driven, but she's not doing much in that way.

are we really moving away from the idea of a systematic and cohesive team approach, to a free-for-all?

Maybe. Why? What'cha thinkin ( ͝סּ ͜ʖ͡סּ)

i think that would be a stupid idea

[Battle Mage]

Quite frankly I’m considering just going back to normal scumhunting because my brain just seems to default to that and I want to solve a puzzle. So I think I am going to do that for a little bit.
Right now I do agree with Pooky on the basis that we should coordinate where we’re going.

where is Pooky?

[Battle Mage]

Ya I want some Chaos
I trust you to create that environment

You're town, Pooky is town, that's what I got so far.

hey, I'm town!

[Battle Mage]

something feels off
what do you think of Titus and Haschel?

they both feel red to me

titus more so

concur

[Battle Mage]

something feels off
what do you think of Titus and Haschel?

they both feel red to me

titus more so

concur

Justify your concurrence.

only when you acknowledge my towniness.

[Battle Mage]

DGB ingoring me...noted

[Battle Mage]

oh i cross posted lol

voting for me!? even worse!

[Battle Mage]

oh DGB, what did I do to you?

[Battle Mage]

oh DGB, what did I do to you?

I don't negotiate with terrorists.

eh, a bit mean...

[Battle Mage]

if i sleep now, hopefully this will all have blown over in the morning...

[Battle Mage]

something feels off
what do you think of Titus and Haschel?

they both feel red to me

titus more so

concur

Justify your concurrence.

This is what Battle Mage won't answer.

I hit scum, whoops!

Drat, you asked me a question i could only answer if I was town! That's not fair!

[Battle Mage]

Other tham Hershel being a professional grump is there a reason for the votes on him

it's less about him being professional/grumpy and more about his secrecy about what he plans to do at night.

[Battle Mage]

also OH GOD I think I ate too much ice cream aaaaaaaaah T_T

*looks at the empty pint of salted caramel ice cream fae just shared with faer partner*

... I may have an issue...

DGB ingoring me...noted

Sucks don't it...

something feels off
what do you think of Titus and Haschel?

they both feel red to me

titus more so

concur

Justify your concurrence.

This is what Battle Mage won't answer.

I hit scum, whoops!

Same tho (੭ु˙꒳​˙)੭ु⁾⁾

lol i hate being voted for no reason after over 20 pages. doesnt happen often, so when it does, I am disappointed.

[Battle Mage]

you guys should definitely do all the posting done today you want to do

cuz tommorrow is going to be comically badly post restricted lolol

nobody fuck up their tasks pls

can we finish the massclaim and go to night then? seems like we're not achieving much else.

[Battle Mage]

you guys should definitely do all the posting done today you want to do

cuz tommorrow is going to be comically badly post restricted lolol

nobody fuck up their tasks pls

can you just remind me why we need to do tasks again

wincon

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: battle mage

You are now within the gaze of an emisary of chaos. We are not liable for any random limb dismemberments, universes, defiance of the laws of physics or acts of god that may occur during this time.

I was voting you before it was cool

im not sure it will ever be cool, unless you're scum

[Battle Mage]

Sooooo youre calling DGB scum?(´⊙o⊙`；)

playground bully tactics

[Battle Mage]

wndr wht th wrst pst rstrctn s....

i had a post restriction earlier this year which meant I could only post once every 48 hours, and it had to be within a 2 hour window or something.

I remember Titus-scum took the opportunity to try and run me up for being a lurker-scum.

[Battle Mage]

wait r we going to compete to see who has the worst post restriction

i got one that makes me post in rhyming couplets

i dont even know what rhyming couplets are.

just stay alert
don't drop your guard
you might get hurt
if i tunnel you hard

[Battle Mage]

I was probably just gonna do mostly AABB

don't go it alone
in a room, on your own
if you stay with the pack
Pooky got your back

[Battle Mage]

you're planning to elim me today so does it matter?

[Battle Mage]

no idea why, i'm obvtown here.

[Battle Mage]

you're planning to elim me today so does it matter?

no idea why, i'm obvtown here.

Why do people have this lay down and die mentality, it's so vexing! (；￣Д￣）
And no, you're not obvtown.

i'm obvtown and baffled, in fact

i'm not gonna die, i just don't have much confidence in any town that can't even read me

[Battle Mage]

you're planning to elim me today so does it matter?

It's only 2 days into deadline.

When did I ever say I wanted you to be the elim?

you're literally campaigning to get ppl to vote for me.

[Battle Mage]

So I can start getting a ball rolling on something other than mechanical talk and setup speculation.

This doesn't take long to think about.

I also want to see more posting from you in general since this posting from you doesn't feel like what I've witnessed first-hand in O799.

I was the boss in that game. here I'm a pawn amongst queens.

plus i'm not big on mech talk really, and I like simple plans that people actually deliver on. the idea of doing half a massclaim and then abandoning it, is a bit wtf?

[Battle Mage]

Blitzo is scum :sadface:

Sell me on this.

I suspect it's because Blitzo and I don't have avis.

Hey Blitzo, let's form an alliance!

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: No Elim

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: No Elim

Convenient evidence

a veritable smoking gun!

[Battle Mage]

Plenty of unexplained reads by BM. Feels incredibly fake.

lol i literally cant remember having many reads - let alone "plenty of unexplained" ones.

Show me your workings?

[Battle Mage]

look normally I'd love to murder Battle Mage as fast as possible but he's not scum here

err thanks?

[Battle Mage]

Phoneposting

Titus, what is your rationale for this being town me via meta?

Battle, can you te me what your POV of your wagon is?

i'm catching up, but it looks lazy and stupid. like, no reason for votes.

[Battle Mage]

lol i'll give you kudos...

...for the most bad-faith, scummy ISO-analysis I've ever seen. Like, taking every post I made and trying to construe it in a scummy way is not genuine solving. Poor effort.

VOTE: flea

o(^▽^)o DIVA FLEA ISO FUN TIME! o(^▽^)o

Spoiler: Our Jester

Alright. I wanna start off with an RQS this game. Questions are as follows:

1) what power role have you not been that you want to try out, and why? Don’t factor in your current role, answer this question assuming you are vanilla this game.
2) If you were scum, who would be your a) D1 miselim push, b) N1 kill, and c) partner you’d want to bus you and go to the end, given each person was the correct alignment for that specific action?
3) What is your skill with mechanic-heavy setups? If you’re not skilled at them, do you intend to get better with practice or rely on others?
4) What is your favorite candy?
5) What would you say is your biggest strength and biggest weakness as town/scum/in general?

1. I'd like to be cult leader in a game where my entire cult didn't bus me to death.
2.a. probably you b. probably Titus c. Pooky or DGB
3. Generally bad, but I played a similar game to this recently. I was so bad I somehow managed to die twice before anyone else had died. But it was so fun!!
4. Candy bad.
5. Biggest strength as town = pretty much never getting mis-elimmed. Biggest strength as scum = mostly winning because my bad reads are a benefit

HE DOESN'T LIKE CANDY?! LIKE WHAT?!
Also, check out number 5. Never getting mislim'd and having bad reads. hmmm...

what happens to tasks when ppl die though? do we have to do fewer tasks?

when people die their tasks get distributed we can figure out a good system for this later.

ah in that case, yeah i like the no-elim plan. I have fewer tasks than you I think.

Mech talk, and hinting at something? Maybe this is just out of context.

I have 1 I think. I go to a room, then I do my task.

Not quite as bad a fart as what HC dropped, but this still stinks to me ║ * ರ Ĺ̯ ರ * ║ also Spongebob doesn't approve.

VOTE: Murdercat

MY EYES! THEY BURRRRN! SOMEONE PUT SOME CLOTHES ON THIS VOTE! (ʘ ل͟├┬┴┬┴

VOTE: XreckonerX

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well outing the locations is good and bad
good because we can make a plan
bad because scum can mess with that plan presumably

maybe but i'd rather have the entire game leashed so people dont wander off and murder each other in the room they shouldn't be in

I'm with you bud!!

Adding nothing...

well outing the locations is good and bad
good because we can make a plan
bad because scum can mess with that plan presumably

Lol are you actually scum cake

you think outing everything now is good? I see too much risk

we've started now dude. I'm totally down with elimming in the pool of those who won't claim if we have such a thing.

THA'S A BIIIIIIIIG POOOOOLLLL. (⊃‿⊂)

tbh if Battle Mage kills me in electrical
I'm happy with that

don't worry, you can trust me

Nope.

VOTE: no elim

i'm on the board

No that's a plank. ლ(ಠ_ಠლ)

should we all claim task number? i see no reason not to

I have 2

I have one.
I plan on doing mine asap so I can pick up one of the other tasks and then do it.

I like your style Titus. I was planning on doing mine, and then kicking back on Night 2

I don't like this. Like I really don't like this. (๑•﹏•)

I feel pretty relaxed with Pooky in charge - he knows how to do this game.

Wait you relaxed with someone else in charge?

Completely! the last time we played a game similar to this I got singled out and killed by scum immediately. Pooky didn't realise I was dead and tried to rescue me....dying himself in the process.

He knows that people getting picked off sucks, and is coming up with a plan to avoid that. Total townvibes.

Or this... This is scum vibes to me. This is "I'mma coast and let other people do the hard work" and with the last post, doesn't sit well with me.

Battle Mage has 1 task so it should be fine.
I can also go w/ Battle Mage so you feel safer, I have a 2nd task but I don't mind it if it would make you feel safer

I'm not planning to go anywhere without 3/4 people minimum.

This is interesting...

i guess the alternative to all moving in a pack would be for people to pair up - easy way to identify scum.

And this is why. I'm getting a people pleaser vibe here.

every1 claim what rooms you need for your tasks

i will excel it and figure out optimal pathing

alisae will probly do it faster and better

electricity room?

wait you really only have 1 room to go to?

Same and it happens to be the same room.

So it looks like BM and I are sharing a room for the night.

goshdarn Titus, are you going to kill me?

But isn't Alisae there too?

this will be a strange mafia game where no scumhunting is required

*shudders*

Maybe this is just in the context I'm looking at where I'm getting the vibes of the scums but this REALLY isn't feeling right to me now.

I think allowing the opportunity for scum to get an extra kill is important
we also shouldn't be sending anyone that's too important if we do try to create opportunities for scum to kill. Town can benefit off of a townie that needs to be sorted dieing.

I'm not sure on this though.

if we're just going to do the tasks and win, does sorting even matter though?

Like we've said why we still need to sort people but he's hesitant to be sorted it seems?

I dunno, I feel like I'm in a rabbit hole at this point and everythings just going to go "I'M SCUM!" at me? (¤﹏¤)

it doesnt matter if someone needs to be in a room two nights in a row. the point of leashing the entire PL is that nobody can wander off and kill you when u r in that room alone on night 2

I meant in terms of how many nights it make take to complete. We can't just visit X number of rooms each night and cover each room on 1 night.

Maybe not enough people have combinations like mine for it to matter, but wanted to claim this before we get too far.

Also splitting into smaller groups where the towniest players are paired makes sense, but if scum have a regular NK they can potentially frame people.

ah i hadnt thought about the framing thing. do the kills take place at the same time though?

Honestly, have you given this game any thought? :/

Like I'm not okay with obvtown getting killed via the extra kill mechanic, so it would be someone that town would be okay with dieing.

pedit: I mean I think we can try to go for a task any% speedrun but I think if we get handed a free scum lynch we should take it?

agree if it's on a plate due to a cop investigation or something, but otherwise I'm not keen on us elimming through half-assed scumhunting when we are all handicapped with post restrictions and the like.

Half assed is better than none.

Wait, wait, wait.
Is there even any hunting in this game.

i think that's what we're trying to establish now mate. My guess is, maybe not.

uh.... you were pretty set on no scumhunting not so long ago?

suddenly I want to yeet Flea for making my page size double
and also for doing the RQS thats gross

not to mention calling me scum coz i claimed my room

"electrical?" seems questioning and not like a claim. I just get bad vibes from you... also wow I'm only on page 9?

UNVOTE:

I think I still want to wield the stick of elimming someone who refuses to claim.

We got more reasoning for the unvote than we have for both votes?

VOTE: titus

VOTE: Haschel

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Ya I want some Chaos
I trust you to create that environment

Is this free reign to just run around the ship like a lunatic? ( ͡◉ ͜ʖ ͡◉)

Also Flea while ur at it what do you think of Titus

Cautious at the moment, People are saying she's more vote and wagon driven, but she's not doing much in that way.

are we really moving away from the idea of a systematic and cohesive team approach, to a free-for-all?

Maybe. Why? What'cha thinkin ( ͝סּ ͜ʖ͡סּ)

i think that would be a stupid idea

... Why?

something feels off
what do you think of Titus and Haschel?

they both feel red to me

titus more so

concur

Why?

if i sleep now, hopefully this will all have blown over in the morning...

ₒ₍₊˒₃˓₎ₒ▁▂▃▅▆▓▒░✩⃛

you guys should definitely do all the posting done today you want to do

cuz tommorrow is going to be comically badly post restricted lolol

nobody fuck up their tasks pls

can we finish the massclaim and go to night then? seems like we're not achieving much else.

You haven't exactly contributed yourself.

you're planning to elim me today so does it matter?

I still hate this attitude...

no idea why, i'm obvtown here.

No... no you're not. Why do people think they're obvtown? Like fine you know your PM but to me you're closer to obvscum than obvtown, honestly.

you're planning to elim me today so does it matter?

It's only 2 days into deadline.

When did I ever say I wanted you to be the elim?

you're literally campaigning to get ppl to vote for me.

Maybe so there's pressure on you to actually contribute?

VOTE: No Elim

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VERDICT

Happy keeping my vote here for now.

[Battle Mage]

Work is calling again, busy until a bit later unfortunately.
I will note that voting into the no elims might prove fruitful - I feel like that's an idea that's obviously bad so there could be something behind it.
BM being there probably means something.

2 things:

if it's obviously bad, why are 3 people voting for it?
seems like you're tunnelling me here - not objective solving

My second thought was that TGP was entirely forgettable.
I might let that develop for a bit and see what happens.

obviously i can't prove this, but i think blitzo wrote this AFTER previewing and faked it so they didn't

i also thought this on initial read.

DGB, why should I vote for Blitzo?

Vote for Blitzo if you don't want to vote for Battle Mage.

well if those are the only 2 options, I just might!

obviously i can't prove this, but i think blitzo wrote this AFTER previewing and faked it

Probably not but this is a town thing to say I think

battle mage is like, fairly town to me and i'm not inclined to eliminate there

good take

dgb, after page 39 do you think blitzo is a better elim

Maybe but still I want more than one horse in the race.

you picked a fine stallion here

@dgb - Sure.
VOTE: battle mage
Now.
What's the deal?

eww gross

@DGB - was this whole scumread thing a ploy to get me to vote for BM?

duh, she's just playin' you

Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

why
tbh Titus' reads seem sensible

BM is playing to town meta

I think this is legitimately wrong

nah I'm town dude

Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

why
tbh Titus' reads seem sensible

BM is playing to town meta

I think this is legitimately wrong

What distinguishes the two?

@SirCakez this is to you as well.

In a sentence, town BM is more chaotic. I don't sense the same sort of chaotic town!BM vibe I normally get.

Eh, it's a big game with big personalities. I'm riding along with most of this.

BM is lurk fuck as scum and actually plays as town

^This guy gets it.

[Battle Mage]

did I piss DGB off somehow?

[Battle Mage]

I'm confident with Cakez-town. I can definitely see Gamma-town too. Credible takes on me.

[Battle Mage]

I'm not voting BM?
If you mean others, I think they are unfamiliar with him. He has a...unique playstyle

at that stage, i had 4 votes, 2 from players who should be somewhat familiar with me.

Cakez has been defending bm

about time!

SIGH

I wasn't at any point suggesting going to random rooms.

The assumption of random is that everyone just doing one of their tasks amounts to random rooms, assuming roughly equal distribution of tasks among the rooms.

Except it doesn't. For instance, Alisae has two tasks. One takes her to electrical the other to another room. By actively selecting electrical, we force a room of three (assuming BM lives).

That's a strong reason for BM to live. He has to try and complete his one task and can have another passed off to him from the dead corpse. It's a win-win situation regardless of BM's alignment.

thanks Titus!

It's a win-win situation regardless of BM's alignment.

Not if he's scum????

It is.

We force him to take a task. It auto completes. If he refuses, we kill him.

The task lets us also control what room he goes to. So he's a liability to scum.

eh wtf? I'm town!!

wait r we going to compete to see who has the worst post restriction

i got one that makes me post in rhyming couplets

i dont even know what rhyming couplets are.

just stay alert
don't drop your guard
you might get hurt
if i tunnel you hard

this is rather wrong
it's much like a song
each odd and even line
must have a rhyme to be fine

I like it

I need to go to sleep, but I just really wanted to hammer this home because I feel like a bunch of people are being unrealistic about the POE chances after a double NK.

And people keep picking at little things without really acknowledging the point I’m trying to make, but I feel like I need to answer those things.

If we just all do tasks willy-nilly,

2 town are going to die every night

and there will

not

be useful POE to figure out who killed them.

In exchange, we avoid giving scum information and we get the tasks done slightly faster. I don't think this is worth it, and I haven't actually seen an argument that it is, beyond vague handwaving and dogmatism.

I agree with you.

[Battle Mage]

Can we move on to no elimination and compliance? I am bored and this feels like an RVS that will last forever.

preach

[Battle Mage]

i think we need to start eliming in the no room claim pool


we can probly hit bad guys

and if they're townies we were never going to win this game

VOTE: Reck

my tolerance for gamethrowing is gone

i'm sympathetic to this. Looking back at Pooky-logic vs Reck-logic, I still think the former is a better bet.

[Battle Mage]

Spoiler: Quote

Taly is by far my strongest townread for being the person who is visibly doing the most scumhunting.

This wasn't on the list of things I think I'd read upon my lazy half-ass skim But I'll take it.

Flea/OWER/Murder

, you all have very different vibes than in https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=84987 where I was scum hydra with

Ali

wolfing on all of you townies

flea

, you are much more upfront with POV, kind of hard to navigate and get to the meat of your posting, and you take so much initiative here that I don't know how genuine that is.

OWER

, your dog pic is really fucking cute and that probably contributes to the pocket, can you give me an in depth take on

BM/Ali/Pooky

? You are far more active in pushing your ideas than the linked game above.

Murder

, WHERE YOU AT? methinks I skim over you so much that you are an assassin meant to kill us all quietly... but tbh I sympathize, I think I'd be FAR less

"not-on-the-radar"

if people took the time to read me more.

I stand by

Bell/Ali/Pooky/Reck/OWER/Gamma

town

TENTATIVELY

. I want to reread them as well as

BM/Murder/Flea

before I double-down 100%.

If I can make a solid towncore with at LEAST 6-7 people AND find a vote this dayphase, I'd be golden with solving in the future.

DG

;3 I'll vote soon, I never disappoint.

also who is

Blitzo

? i demand everybody who reads this post to say

"

Blitzo

is town/scum/?"

so I can gauge how many wagons this gamestate actually wants to have...

BM's play is far different from what I remember in the game I played with him, where was very active in engaging other people and wasn't really a passive fluff-poster like he is here. Especially given there's a lot of contradictions in his play so far. (Compare 111 to 129, 75 and 153). Other posts like 198 and such ping me.

I can understand that. It's a much different game as I've already said. Larger player list, more mech-heavy. I tend to be more influential in smaller games (for obvious reasons). I can't speak to contradictions without you giving me some quotes.

[Battle Mage]

I like Akarin and TGP for town. Seems like we're getting somewhere.

Murdercat, to answer your Q, I'm not a big mechguy

[Battle Mage]

If you want to group, requote this list in a chain

Taly, come to Electrical tonight.

Titus reads all over the place here - unusual for her.

Ignoring the baiting from Flea - I have been pulling out some great reads so far imho.

[Battle Mage]

also I'd missed your post Taly, but I havent really bothered explaining reads as the game is moving so fast, and it isn't like anyone is sheeping me right now

at some point when things calm down, I'll collate everything and decide what to do.

In the meantime I guess I just need to avoid getting elimmed myself haha

my townblock is pretty good: Pooky, Cakez, Gamma, TGP, Akarin were in there, I forget who else. I can buy OutWorldER as town from those voting me. Leaning town on Alisae too.

DGB is doing pretty standard scum tactic of just tunnelling someone they see as an easy target. Titus is a bit erratic but also distant and doesn't feel as invested in the game - more in line with scum vibe than town vibe. Blitzo has been scummy but he also feels like the sort of player who scum would push as a cheap mis-elim. Flea is doing a lot of that LAMISTy stuff but it's superficial - long ISO cases which don't strike a balanced objective line, are a scum move I've used many times in my youth.

[Battle Mage]

That said, it's probably wise for you to ignore me ^_^ Alisae can tell you when I'm like when I pick up on something <3

...I can see first hand what you're like when you pick up on

nothing

. I read your ISO analysis of me, and didn't even think it had enough merit to respond to. That's not a personal dig, but it didn't strike any sort of objective balance so either:

A. You're town blindly tunnelling me and confbiasing into oblivion
B. You're scum

[Battle Mage]

one of the things i've learnt over my games this year, is if you're town, don't just tunnel people. It kills your credibility and people won't follow you.

[Battle Mage]

Flea is doing a lot of that LAMISTy stuff but it's superficial - long ISO cases which don't strike a balanced objective line, are a scum move I've used many times in my youth.

This is where you and I differ, you read my ISO as a case and as an attack, not me running over my thoughts on you and adjusting or confirming my read.

It's my thoughts, not a case. If people agree with it, they agree with it. If people want to supply me with non-meta information or differing ways of reading a post, then I'll sit, consider and adjust.

I'm a brain spewer I just put out whatevers in my head as I'm reading something.

I mean I don't think it's so much that "we differ", as you're wrong. There was no obvious attempt to "adjust" your read - you singled out a bunch of posts which were completely meaningless and objectively NAI, and tried to contrive to make them seem scummy to bolster your position. It was a case of "I've said BM is scum, now I have to prove it" rather than "I wonder if BM is town or scum".

I'm open to the idea that you're just town who got carried away, but I'll wait and see if you take a more objective line to appraising people going forward.

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage, what makes you think I am "all over the place"?

It looks like I missed a bunch of your posts somehow. I thought you went abruptly from indicating you townread me, to a lockscum read - but i hadnt seen the stuff in between.

[Battle Mage]

post 190 was pointing out that we had 2 claimed players with only 1 task, and Alisae selected me, and ignored you.

post 234 was a response to you saying it would be "awkward" to go to the same room as me because you don't know me - to which I petulantly retorted I didn't wanna go to the same room as you anyway lol.

neither of those posts are anything like what you've made them out to be. You've taken 2 onions and tried to make a delicious fruit salad.

You said twice above that I tried to stop you going to electrical, but I can't see that I ever did?

Similar to Flea, this seem like a case of just reading posts with a preconception of trying to make things seem scummy (maybe because you were subconsciously salty at post 234?)

Spoiler: case

If I get mislimmed day one, there's little I can do. I have accepted that with this game state. I have an easy task if I slowly post day 2.

That being said, I do feel my wagon is scum driven though. Consensus is gathering around no elimination but yet people vote me for actually voting for it.

Here are my actual weak reads though.

HC is scum riding off town Reck's coattails to disrupt the game.

BM is scum for waiting on a consensus before voting me. His position on me is just hot garbage in his ISO. He appeared fine when it was just me and him going to electrical but sad when Ali was added to the mix. That would have three in electrical. Removing me makes two in electrical.

Taly and Flea are town because of their metas.

Pooky and Alisae are town.

Cakez is town.

yo Alisae - let's go electrical first!

just electrical

tbh if Battle Mage kills me in electrical
I'm happy with that

don't worry, you can trust me

should we all claim task number? i see no reason not to

I have 2

I have one.
I plan on doing mine asap so I can pick up one of the other tasks and then do it.

I like your style Titus. I was planning on doing mine, and then kicking back on Night 2

every1 claim what rooms you need for your tasks

i will excel it and figure out optimal pathing

alisae will probly do it faster and better

electricity room?

wait you really only have 1 room to go to?

Same and it happens to be the same room.

So it looks like BM and I are sharing a room for the night.

goshdarn Titus, are you going to kill me?

I need to be in the same room 2 nights in a row.

This might throw a wrench in the claim plan.

Battle Mage can go to the room ur in then.

hmm or we send Titus?

Battle Mage has 1 task so it should be fine.
I can also go w/ Battle Mage so you feel safer, I have a 2nd task but I don't mind it if it would make you feel safer

I'm not planning to go anywhere without 3/4 people minimum.

this will be a strange mafia game where no scumhunting is required

I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.

Cool ur with me

Ok great. Then Battle Mage can come too. I won't feel so awkward having someone I know there with me.

pfft, now i dont wanna come

I really don't think 254 comes from town. 190 is stretching it. BM wants to be in electrical, yet is ok sending me anywhere but electrical knowing my task requires me to go to electrical.

In 145 and 153 BM is joking with me and he goes from that to trying to execute me.

Combining 254 and 190 and his push on me, it suggests BM's true motivation. Get just him and Alisae alone in electrical or force her off task.

Yes, a case can be done.

[Battle Mage]

i'm on board

VOTE: blitzo

[Battle Mage]

Flea is doing a lot of that LAMISTy stuff but it's superficial - long ISO cases which don't strike a balanced objective line, are a scum move I've used many times in my youth.

This is where you and I differ, you read my ISO as a case and as an attack, not me running over my thoughts on you and adjusting or confirming my read.

It's my thoughts, not a case. If people agree with it, they agree with it. If people want to supply me with non-meta information or differing ways of reading a post, then I'll sit, consider and adjust.

I'm a brain spewer I just put out whatevers in my head as I'm reading something.

I mean I don't think it's so much that "we differ", as you're wrong. There was no obvious attempt to "adjust" your read - you singled out a bunch of posts which were completely meaningless and objectively NAI, and tried to contrive to make them seem scummy to bolster your position. It was a case of "I've said BM is scum, now I have to prove it" rather than "I wonder if BM is town or scum".

I'm open to the idea that you're just town who got carried away, but I'll wait and see if you take a more objective line to appraising people going forward.

I love how you're telling me what I did <3
I love how you completely missing the face I'm a brainspewer.
I love how you're completely hooked on being defensive.
It's kinda cute (◍•ᴗ•◍)❤

I'm trying to help you. You're just trying to patronise and belittle me.

I mean, earlier on you complained I ignored you. now you're complaining that I responded.

[Battle Mage]

i'm on board

VOTE: blitzo

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i don't know why you're so hung up on me just voting without a bunch of caveats/disclaimers. xxx

[Battle Mage]

also

i think this is the first time

Battle Mage

does not sus me in a game LMAO

does scum-

BM

really give

Flea

the benefit of the doubt here? 1296

haha well you're in my neutral pile I guess!

and I certainly could - scum-BM is highly skilled!

[Battle Mage]

I'm hard-town on Cakez

[Battle Mage]

Taly-

let's just work outside of our respective townpools then. We aren't too far off each other tbh.

i've played 1 game with cakez town, and 1 game with cakez scum. In the nicest possible way, when he was scum he was completely obvscum, and when he was town he was pretty obviously town. As scum he got elimmed on Day 1 for basically trying to run a fake-meta gambit on me (as well as some other things i think). In this game, he's giving believable pro-town takes and coming across much more natural. I think cakez is sweet.

[Battle Mage]

i'm on board

VOTE: blitzo

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What does this even mean

Spoiler:

murderkitties

, i like your 563 but i feel like your 365 went a bit hard onto a slot relatively early for the games pace

how has your

cakez

read progressed?

TAAAALLLLLYYYYYYYY!
1) How are you?
2) Who is your worst read at the moment?
3) Is there anything so far you disagree with?
4) Why are you upside down? ( ͜。 ͡ʖ ͜。)

1)

good, bout to get to college work, need to stop letting mafia distract haha

2)

no particular scumreads... need to reread

TGP

because they did not pass the vibe check.

alisae

passed the vibe check but not yet the deepwolf check. i think you are quite fluffy even with your wall, tbh - i want more concrete statements from you.

pooky

feels agenda-y but that doesnt ping me by itself.
i think the amount of times

reck

comes into this thread only to say

"i wont read and i denounce the threads mentality"

is genuine BUT is being used deflectively.
actually did not care for this readslist from

BM

i think it's most likely that Alisae is town and Titus is scum. Akarin town, Pooky town, Cakez town.

felt very early to make reads on these players, at least mostly town-ones.

id rather

BM

just explain these reads. i think

OWER

prodded them at some point but if they replied, the answer wasnt noticeable enough for me to see it.

(maybe OWER prodded murderkitties instead)

3)

disagreement is not the correct word... more cautiously inquisitive. this town did not have a very cohesive start with everything considered.

4)

why i am upside down you ask?
my nails are lavender D:< not as red as my role PM or as green as what id want to brag they be.

Like look at this post for example
So much words but I don't actually get much from it?

Cakez

, why are you only looking at one of my earliest posts, and one at a time for this?

Yeah, I don't believe your stance here.

It was a random example I could quote a dozen posts from your ISO
Why so defensive?

she's saying it was a 'naked' vote. I can't explain the kisses though.

[Battle Mage]

Blitzo is really struggling here. Interesting that DGB now decided to push somewhere else.

[Battle Mage]

i havent caught up on all the pages today, but I believe I've dispelled all the reasons Titus was voting me. Essentially it seemed to just boil down to a misunderstanding on her part. Although if she's doubling-down despite me point that out, that's scummy. Titus is normally pretty thoughtful, so sitting with a random vote on me when she has played a million games with me and knows my style, feels a bit lazy.

[Battle Mage]

oh...it was literally 1 page i missed huh

[Battle Mage]

Alright, it seems like we finally have a consensus to be dumb. I'm not going to stop the dumbness so I might as well make the best of it.

VOTE: Battle Mage

This is the case you posted on BM:

BM is scum for waiting on a consensus before voting me. His position on me is just hot garbage in his ISO. He appeared fine when it was just me and him going to electrical but sad when Ali was added to the mix. That would have three in electrical. Removing me makes two in electrical.

Is there more to it than that?

Read the next few posts in my ISO. That's the summary cliff notes version.

yeah, i'd responded to that stuff. guess you aren't so keen on solving me if you didn't bother to engage with it? It's strange to wait until your case has fallen away before voting.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Titus

Haschel, you with me?

I'm with you

VOTE: Titus

[Battle Mage]

oh man, i missed my slot by a matter of minutes.

[Battle Mage]

lots of my townreads on the MC wagon

let's make it happen

VOTE: MurderCat

[Battle Mage]

So we need more people to either claim, or we need to decide we're going to rooms based on the people who've already claimed and we all get on board and let scum kill Haschel and Reck for us.

I will be in Electrical

yeah forget my task then. I ain't going anywhere with Titus AND DGB.

[Battle Mage]

lots of my townreads on the MC wagon

let's make it happen

VOTE: MurderCat

This is the fake one

a fake what?

[Battle Mage]

because i dont even know why ppl are voting you?

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage has been prodded

Oh look hell just froze over

lol I'm VLA but VLA isn't a thing in this game

[Battle Mage]

because i dont even know why ppl are voting you?

I'm not sure what this means but it looks a lot like you hopping on a growing wagon to take pressure off yourself, while handwaving a reason for it

I think that's implausible. I had 1 vote on me apparently - Blitzo. Having had a wagon on me for ages. You really think BM-scum would feel compelled to hop on a growing wagon with no good reason NOW, when I have less pressure than ever?

[Battle Mage]

lol you're wrong then.

[Battle Mage]

and if you're town, making a crazy claim like that under actual pressure is not good.

[Battle Mage]

i'm a good faith guy - i'll talk to you as if you're town, and make my own judgement. I don't have a strong view on you, I just saw a wagon with townie-looking ppl on it and thought I'd get in the mix.

[Battle Mage]

nah I think MC-town would tell me I'm a dumbass for voting without reading. MC-scum more likely to try and turn it around on me as being scummy to try and start a counterwagon.

Do you fear the bus?

[Battle Mage]

i'm a good faith guy - i'll talk to you as if you're town, and make my own judgement. I don't have a strong view on you, I just saw a wagon with townie-looking ppl on it and thought I'd get in the mix.

Sorry and

I'm

the opportunistic one?

Paranoia and pain or not...
VOTE: BattleMage

That bad juju just ain't leaving.

At this this vote has a robe on it...

lol here we go again?

[Battle Mage]

Flea why are you not voting MC.

BM is transparently busing MCat but he can go out the airlock next.

dude, we're both town here, let's keep it chill

[Battle Mage]

Unless I'm on a mary-go-round getting mindfucked by

Alisae/OWER

simultaneously, I like this solve.

Without ISOs elsewhere, here's where I'm at.

Strong Townreads: {Alisae, OWER}

Weaker Townreads:{Pooky, BM, Flea, Bell, Akarin, Gamma, Blitzo}

Sorting/Volatile Reads: {SirCakez, Titus, Murdercat}

Contains Scum Via PoE + Interactions: {Haschel, Reckoner, TGP}

Confident Scum Independently: {DrippingGoofBall}

I plan to resolve

{SirCakez/Titus/Murdercat}

reads.

{Haschel/Reckoner/TGP}

I STRONGLY doubt contain all scum, but they make the most logical sense in respect to my townreads.

This isn't a very realistic readslist D1 but it's 16p I'm reading in 1 week, so...

I can help you with your middling reads. SirCakez-town, Titus-scum. Murdercat - no idea!

[Battle Mage]

on Murdercat, if I'm reading it correctly, he basically townreads his entire wagon except me. I think that's surprising, given he's at like L-3? I'd have thought from his POV, he'd be more wary of scum driving it. Not sure if I feel it's a genuine read, or an attempt to buddy the majority on the wagon and turn them against somebody else. I think his push on me is pretty weak and he is persisting even when it obviously isn't going anywhere.

There are a few other elims I'd prefer.

[Battle Mage]

I could be talked into killing flea today as well tbh

I'd be fine with Flea too I guess. A different case to Murdercat but overall similar likelihood of flipping scum.

[Battle Mage]

Flea why are you not voting MC.

BM is transparently busing MCat but he can go out the airlock next.

dude, we're both town here, let's keep it chill

Who is "both", exactly?

me and OWER. (not you or MC)

[Battle Mage]

please explain to me
why in the world we are voting murdercat
who is transparently bleeding town
and not blitzo
who is transparently bleeding scum

Mmm why don't you do something about it instead of complaining

I believe it was Confucius who said "Sometimes complaining is the only useful thing one can do".

Spoiler: Alisae+BM ISO

real talk tho
lets talk about mechancis
I have no idea how to play this setup and I don't want to turn my brain on to think about it so...

I'd think

Alisae

regardless of alignment would be invested with alternative wincons, so for them to follow-up on a mechanical discussion they began in 29 and 30 makes this seem like a genuine thought project rather than a means to gain thread control.

I have 1 I think. I go to a room, then I do my task.

First interaction,

BM

immediately works with

Alisae

upon their 38 proposition.

54 reinforces that

BM

takes this plan in good faith.

yo Alisae - let's go electrical first!

Sure

This doesn't feel S/S at all. Unless they improvised a plan involving too much role speculation I refuse to dive into now, both of them are restricting themselves a lot N1 by publicly accepting how they do their tasks.

And they're the first, there's no clear indication in the thread that everybody will just march to the beat of their drum.

It feels unnecessary for these posts to come from both as scum.

VOTE: XreckonerX

Vote is reasonable. 89 was when

Reck

came in to just doing nothing... on page 4.

I could be wrong but I think being okay with a no lynch but also being not okay with claiming actions feels like a weird combination to come from scum

Gives

Cakez

benefit of the doubt. Something to note for later.

243 by

BM

and 387 by

Alisae

feel asynchronous.

BM

casually comments on

OWER

painting

Pooky/Alisae

as scum and yet

Alisae

outlines their thoughts to

OWER

in a constructive manner that is removed from doubtcasting

OWER's

intentions.

This is another point for non-S/S but I think this leans to

Alisae

town a bit. My experience with scum-them is that they're quite to control perception and opening up to

OWER

is the opposite of that because they're literally giving someone else control of the game's narrative.

Alisae

also questions

OWER

and... as I have context to how they think as I've recently hydra'd with them.... no alarms are sounding with their inquiry.

meh
too early to tell
if ur scum u'll obvscum if ur town u'll obvtown me thinks

Very lax take on

Titus

, good to document.

VOTE: titus

This may be 100+ posts ago but if

Alisae/BM

S-S ever existed... they're not following each other onto wagons and are only focused with the other's thoughts via setup.

yo ali where the wagons at or where the discussion for them at

how do you feel about the plist lumping you and pooky in the same vein together and by extension, how i am a contributor to that perception?

I don’t really care at the moment tbh

Apathetic, could be voting somewhere, isn't... first vote is at 646 on

Haschel

.

Why not jump into the young, chaotic gamestate that makes Large Themes insane? Doesn't. Sensible.

Also, unphased by the association to

Pooky

. This is good. This is a point against

Pooky/Alisae

S-S because I think effort would be placed into trying to dispel this thought ruminating in the thread.

700 is to murder but pooky can answer to idc

Again, prompting

Pooky

when it's not necessary.

Ya I want some Chaos
I trust you to create that environment

You're town, Pooky is town, that's what I got so far.

hey, I'm town!

There's a trend with

BM's

posts where they continually inject the idea that they're obvtown and by implication, shouldn't warrant suspicion... I don't like this type of posting because it serves nothing to a conversation but I've seen

BM

do it as town before.

you know
it now occured to me that maybe we shouldn't have said what our post restrictions were?

What are the pros & cons?

well I thought a con was scum get to fake post restrictions, but apparently they already have a list, so this isn't a con.
the pros would be I'm not actually sure. Its fun. There we go.

If

Alisae's

scum, they're

very comfortable

, and we're fucked.

But that's too much of a paranoia-driven thought process. I don't see an agenda here.

you're planning to elim me today so does it matter?

Flippant. I'm starting to sympathize with the

BM

wagon, although, I'm unsure how NAI this statement is.

So I can start getting a ball rolling on something other than mechanical talk and setup speculation.

This doesn't take long to think about.

I also want to see more posting from you in general since this posting from you doesn't feel like what I've witnessed first-hand in O799.

I was the boss in that game. here I'm a pawn amongst queens.

plus i'm not big on mech talk really, and I like simple plans that people actually deliver on. the idea of doing half a massclaim and then abandoning it, is a bit wtf?

I can see this from scum POV trying to revive more information about mechanics, but

BM

began this game interacting with mechanical discussion... so this isn't surprising or worrying to read.

@Taly,

Pooky, alisae, you (or you're doing a good job of faking some pretty detailed thoughts!), Flea,
even though I gave a warning about the doggo the doggo is still town spewing from my pov.

The rest are kinda meh, I could prolly point to weak town leans/scum leans but per post it would balance on and off.
Titus I'm rapidly vacillitating on because she looks like obv scum, but she's always scum/third party so.
Have I even played with town titus.
Oh. Yeah sort of.

a tactic scum!taly likes to use is they like to make it easier for other people to spew themselves

The post I dislike most about

Alisae's

entire ISO.

Bell

was sending an olive branch and reading me with good faith and they interject with a reason to doubtcast that.

I also feel like it's a slight misrep because I bring people to spew regardless of my alignment. Me getting information from others is not what's specifically AI, it's what I do with/during/before/after that information.

I don't fault

Alisae

though... I'm a hard metaread.

Maybe I just really like Flea's posting this game and I'm biased tho.

So you're saying that Taly is good at being scum? Aight.

missed this.
They can be. Idunno if you saw my MtG thread but I came out of a scum hydra with them. Their scumplay is fairly green. TBH when we hydra'd, they told me something that I needed to look out and to kill them on site if they do it but I don't recall what that is for the life of me.
I think I have an idea on how to catch scum!Taly if it exists in this game but if that world exists, it won't be until a wolf before him dies.

This is another reason why I didn't push

Alisae

.

I think looking at me at a later day is a valid way to sort me if I don't get nightkilled... I just hope

Alisae

isn't posting this as a precursor to case me when it's most viable to lim me.

I mean, I've only been caught as scum via associations and busses before... and I'm mislimmed more often.

But relatively speaking, I don't get limmed often at all.

Maybe I just really like Flea's posting this game and I'm biased tho.

So you're saying that Taly is good at being scum? Aight.

missed this.
They can be. Idunno if you saw my MtG thread but I came out of a scum hydra with them. Their scumplay is fairly green. TBH when we hydra'd, they told me something that I needed to look out and to kill them on site if they do it but I don't recall what that is for the life of me.
I think I have an idea on how to catch scum!Taly if it exists in this game but if that world exists, it won't be until a wolf before him dies.

i dont remember saying something

exactly

like

"kill me on sight if i do something"

, but i might have.

i cant tell if your take on me is to be pragmatic knowing what im capable of, or youre positioning around me since your approach to me right now is to shelve me.

basically, are you taking to me in good faith here? i feel like ive had more posts directed to or about you than otherwise, so i want to know if the distance is intentional.

atm ur just completely not on my radar

Fair. I admit and I think I told

Alisae

that I fall into the background often as scum.

But this isn't very intentional, if my word means anything here, it's a large theme.

My second thought was that TGP was entirely forgettable.
I might let that develop for a bit and see what happens.

obviously i can't prove this, but i think blitzo wrote this AFTER previewing and faked it so they didn't

what the fuck

My thoughts exactly.

1240 is an interesting take from

Alisae

onto

Haschel

. They're a scumread (I presume) and yet

Alisae

sees a post that they don't agree with and decides not to push it further.

Ali is a known powerwolf and wants to manipulate the gamestate/narrative to eir advantage and the fact that they were one of the first people pushing No Eliminate plan makes me suspicious.

I'M NOT EVEN DOING ANY OF THAT
omg
im malding

Can we move on to no elimination and compliance? I am bored and this feels like an RVS that will last forever.

HOLY SHIT TITUS
NO
STOP
LET PEOPLE SCUMHUNT IF THEY WANT TO THERE'S NO HARM IN THAT.

lmfao

Yeah my townread on Ali rn is based on the fact there's been no AtE or weird aggression lol

I use emotion as town.

Alisae's

rage caps are even funnier with this interaction. They call themselves out to

Flea

. Town does this more often than scum if they feel a read on them doesn't make sense, and 1443 is a later vote so this post - in context - may be affecting

Alisae's

read on

Flea

adversely.

If you want to group, requote this list in a chain

Taly, come to Electrical tonight.

Titus reads all over the place here - unusual for her.

Ignoring the baiting from Flea - I have been pulling out some great reads so far imho.

>

Interested in working with me.

>

Knowing the 1440 vote progression on

Titus

, makes me wonder if this was in some form a planned vote. Although, I did agree with

BM

here.

>

I also agree with

BM's

take to

Flea

, it's hard to figure out what their thoughts are on

BM

because it's veiled in walls mainly looking at posts rather than

BM

as a whole.

I don't think

BM

has really accomplished much specifically with their wagon but perhaps that's a playstyle disparity between us and how we think?

also I'd missed your post Taly, but I havent really bothered explaining reads as the game is moving so fast, and it isn't like anyone is sheeping me right now

at some point when things calm down, I'll collate everything and decide what to do.

In the meantime I guess I just need to avoid getting elimmed myself haha

my townblock is pretty good: Pooky, Cakez, Gamma, TGP, Akarin were in there, I forget who else. I can buy OutWorldER as town from those voting me. Leaning town on Alisae too.

DGB is doing pretty standard scum tactic of just tunnelling someone they see as an easy target. Titus is a bit erratic but also distant and doesn't feel as invested in the game - more in line with scum vibe than town vibe. Blitzo has been scummy but he also feels like the sort of player who scum would push as a cheap mis-elim. Flea is doing a lot of that LAMISTy stuff but it's superficial - long ISO cases which don't strike a balanced objective line, are a scum move I've used many times in my youth.

Aside from

Cakez/TGP/Akarin

townread confidence strength, I mindmeld

BM

with his reads, town and scum.

I'm not sure about

Titus

but I agree with

DGB

assesment.

I'll reserve thoughts on

Flea

when I spew a D1 solve.

I detected genuine emotion from

BM's

1310 and I don't think scum angles frustration this way very often. It could've been channeled into an aggressive push and I don't think

BM

is trying to placate

Flea

just to get pressure off.

Taly-

let's just work outside of our respective townpools then. We aren't too far off each other tbh.

i've played 1 game with cakez town, and 1 game with cakez scum. In the nicest possible way, when he was scum he was completely obvscum, and when he was town he was pretty obviously town. As scum he got elimmed on Day 1 for basically trying to run a fake-meta gambit on me (as well as some other things i think). In this game, he's giving believable pro-town takes and coming across much more natural. I think cakez is sweet.

The most helpful post to me this game.

Unless

BM

is hard-attempting to pocket me, I don't know why scum-him wants to work with me when

Cakez/Titus/DGB/Akarin

have all either taken frustration to my posts, scumread me, or have had negative commentary on my POV.

VOTE: Titus

Haschel, you with me?

I'm with you

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: Flea

...Asynchronous and D1 is halfway finished. Why go on different pushes now?

Synopsis

I really don't see how

Alisae/BM

are S/S here, or everything they're doing is to distance them in the context of how they read the game.

I will note, they don't often state reads on the other, so I will be attentive to this in the future.

Alisae

is town because their POV lacks what I'd imagine scum-them,

at the very least

, this stage of the game.

BM

is less confidently town, I wonder if their more flippant disposition is to nullify suspicion and placate others.

it's a fair read dude!

[Battle Mage]

Cakez

, I'm not looking for a detailed rebuttal outlining your POV.

I want you to engage with what content I've created, and if you feel that I still haven't provided anything, don't confbias a reason to sus me, explain it.

I will try to do this - I feel you will be a valuable player here if you're town.

yeah I basically agree with this take. ISOs and stuff aren't town indicative really - especially looking at random pairings for associatives. However, I like Taly's effort and the bits I've read have been good quality.

[Battle Mage]

Titus made a case on me - which was based on a misunderstanding.

I subsequently cleared up the misunderstanding.

She ignored my clearing up of the misunderstanding and continued to lazily push her case on me.

Titus-town tends to read more closely and be able to adapt and flex better than Titus-scum, and this feels more like the latter. I wouldn't bet my house on it, but it's a scumlean for sure.

[Battle Mage]

I think I wanna drip-feed my thoughts, starting with this.
BM, what is your broad-scope evaluation of Titus as a player? I know you said she's more flexible as town than scum, but I want more than that.

an evaluation of her as a player? what do you mean? like, strengths and weaknesses, an overall rating?

I'm sure she'd love getting an appraisal from me.

[Battle Mage]

I still feel MC is the best elim here, not just from a probability of hitting scum standpoint but also from an associative solving standpoint.

I feel like a good case for Flea scum can be made regardless of MC's alignment due to how fence-sitty fae've been on the wagon. But I also have an aching feeling scum is setting them up to be lim-bait.

Eh, nowt new there. If you're going for it, go for it.

you english?

[Battle Mage]

I think I wanna drip-feed my thoughts, starting with this.
BM, what is your broad-scope evaluation of Titus as a player? I know you said she's more flexible as town than scum, but I want more than that.

an evaluation of her as a player? what do you mean? like, strengths and weaknesses, an overall rating?

I'm sure she'd love getting an appraisal from me.

yeah, all her assets and flaws and such, everything you've gathered about her. There's a very good reason I'm asking you.

after what you just disclosed in our last game together...I think I'll respectfully pass.

[Battle Mage]

I still feel MC is the best elim here, not just from a probability of hitting scum standpoint but also from an associative solving standpoint.

I feel like a good case for Flea scum can be made regardless of MC's alignment due to how fence-sitty fae've been on the wagon. But I also have an aching feeling scum is setting them up to be lim-bait.

Eh, nowt new there. If you're going for it, go for it.

you english?

Aye, you?

yeah. the "nowt" got me.

[Battle Mage]

Gamma, for goodness sake, can you please leave me alone for once? I just want to enjoy a game of mafia - it's clearly best we don't engage unless it actually relates to the game.

[Battle Mage]

Can someone point me to any of Titus' post that justify not voting for her?

no but being pragmatic, we have less than 2 days until deadline and Titus only has 2 votes.

[Battle Mage]

murdercat, do you have a viable alternative wagon to offer? conscious of deadline approaching

[Battle Mage]

murdercat, do you have a viable alternative wagon to offer? conscious of deadline approaching

No elim is my viable alternative.
I don't feel confident enough in my ability to find scum on D1 nor my SRs to push for anything else.

i can understand the no-elim preference, but I don't think there's a majority for it, and I'm starting to think:

A. trying to co-ordinate this roster of players into all working together to achieve the task-based town wincon is likely to be impossible.
B. there is a high number of players who are probably town already - meaning the elim pool is relatively narrow and it feels like we should be in a good position to win the game as normal.

[Battle Mage]

I like the composition of the blitzo wagon. I have felt weird about the slot throughout the game. If I was going to attempt to save my own neck I would push harder there.
I think that there is scum on me. Maybe it's you but maybe you did just vote for the lols. In which case I would probably guess Cake.

As I said at the outset, I basically voted for you because I liked the composition of your wagon (and it was big and worthwhile). Blitzo is a no-brainer at some stage, I wouldn't be averse to it on Day 1. I'm town and I reckon Cakez is town. It's possible your whole wagon is town from my POV.

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE:

[Battle Mage]

Gamma, for goodness sake, can you please leave me alone for once? I just want to enjoy a game of mafia - it's clearly best we don't engage unless it actually relates to the game.

Did I miss a proposal or something?

lol nah, Gamma just takes an unexplained personal beef with me from game to game and rages at me whenever our paths cross. I literally just found out that in our last game he tried to persuade the Mod to send me inappropriate messages on his behalf, so I'm not minded to bother and it also isn't healthy for the game. Even when Gamma is town, he doesn't care about solving my alignment, he just wants to get me elimmed at all costs. The game won't be won or lost based on that, and I'd rather just have fun and not get the abuse.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage

Call me opportunistic, I think pressures good and I trust Gamma to be doing a good thing here.

If ya'll don't like my vote, go read his ISO and make your minds up yourselves. I ain't doing it again because too much nekkid.

I won't call you opportunistic, as I don't think there's an opportunity here to be taken. Broad consensus seems to be that I'm town (or at least, less scummy than others), I've had a small wagon on me, which included you, for most of the game and it didn't go anywhere. In short, I don't think your vote creates any meaningful pressure, and I don't think "sheeping Gamma" is any more credible a reason for a wagon than some of mine you have previously criticised.

[Battle Mage]

ok I'm liking the recent interactions with Murdercat more, so let's try

VOTE: Blitzo

[Battle Mage]

lol I turn up...I'm still getting bashed for "bad play" by Gamma in the latest post.

Dare I even read what I missed?

[Battle Mage]

I don't doubt that there may be issues between Gamma and BM.
To be honest I don't really think it's my business unless it becomes gamebreaking somehow, but I don't think that's really the case here either.
What I doubt is how much that actually matters when BM is actually quite guilty of acting this way thus far.
I'm also lost as to why he's switching back to me here.
@Gamma - no, I can't use line breaks right now sorry.
@pooky - again - is this real or not?
I need actual thoughts to come out of your mouth plx.

Hey I'm reading the thread yo.

You're "reading the thread" but you're "lost" as to why my vote moved from MC to you. Can you tell me why that is?

I think whether you call me scummy or townie, it's hard to argue I've been difficult to follow - my reasoning has usually been simplistic and obvious. It feels like a cop out to say "BM did this and I don't understand" when I had explained very clearly, succinctly and simply in the thread. And if you really hadn't understood, you could have asked me, rather than just inexplicably interpreting your confusion as an indication of my guilt.

[Battle Mage]

Flea just spent a lot of time and energy in 1619 making a post that can basically be summarized as "In conclusion MC is a land of contrasts." Not a fan.

I see some posts are talking about meta. I plan on ignoring those posts.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Oh no. You of all people do not get to just drop a vote with no reasoning and walk away. Why Battle Mage over the other wagons? Does the case against Murdercat make sense?

Okay. BM-wagon = Bad, Murdercat-wagon = Good, Titus and Flea also good candidates for scum.

Good posting.

You know what

Flea

, I've detected a lot of paranoia from your slot so you double-downing on that

BM

vote makes little sense to me.

Murder

, I sympathize strongly if you're actually town here but I'm not feeling your solve or motivation that much, is there something to be done about that?

TGP

, is it accurate to say that you're being really focused on

Blitzo

and pay little heed to other slots? Because that's how I feel about you.

Pooky

, I don't know if my townread on you can survive if you say you're obvtown again WHILE keeping your vote on

Blitzo

without further context.

Alisae

, if you think I'm scum, give me at least 2 people I've been hard-defending this dayphase because that's the only way I'll think your serious about reading me. The number doubles D2.

BM

, I'm not wanting to inject myself between you and

Gamma

, but do you think your counterwagon -

Murder

is actually scum here, or town?

Reck

, case me your

Titus

read.

Haschel

, do something with more than one to two slots at a time, please. I'm not just talking about posts, you come into the thread and speak only on a few aspects of the game at a time.

I could go either way on Murdercat. He's not my preferred elim, but he's also not townblocked. good take on Flea too.

Ok but if anything he seems better here then Xenoblade 2?

Yeah that’s where he gets ya. He seems “better” when he’s scum, because of what I spoke of earlier about being an agent of chaos.

yeah but in the game I played with him as scum he was actually terrible, much worse than here or Xenoblade 2 (quality of play wise)

haha I think this can be exempt from the "no bashing people" rule, because I was in fact, really bad in that game. I just couldn't get my head around the mech as it wasn't a normal mafia game by any stretch!

[Battle Mage]

Flea, if you like that this post happened, then where is your vote to reflect it?

Because I'm chaotic af, unstable af and I think I've placed more votes than anyone at this point.

I'm already aware that my voting and progression looks opportunistic, I'm aware my brainspewing isn't regarded well here. I'm aware people dislike my voting places to the point it has derailed some bits. BM has already commented my vote means nothing, essentially due to how I play here.

So screw it I say.

If my voting scares people off wagons and carries about as much weight as a presidential vote in California then I may as well watch the others do their thang and use my powers for good and derail bad wagons.

what?

I don't quite know what to make of this. Although I will say, it isn't that your vote means nothing in general, but that your vote for me was meaningless because it didn't result from any vaguely plausible pro-town solving. You just quoted every post in my ISO and said "this means BM is scum because...[insert fabricated justification here]".

No balance, no objectivity, means no credibility. DGB has learnt it's quicker and equally effective to just throw your vote around without the pretense of any rhyme or reason.

[Battle Mage]

I'll decide what to do with my vote tomorrow. Very tired.

1671 and 1708 are good posts that elaborate my townread on

BM

.

Titus

, this fucks with my brain:

If I get miseliminated for voting scum and having a life, I can live with that. We still should be no executing though. If we do miseliminate, I'm objectively the best one. So like I said, no hard feelings.

1)

Need a strong case on why we should no lim.

2)

Why are you ever a good mislim option... why is mislimming ever a choose-able option here... you're not even in a competing wagon at the moment.

3)

Is your

BM

scumread based around your case in 1293? Has it evolved?

1) No elim ensures a task victory or actual evidence against a scum read.
2) Objectively, I have only one task to do. It's simple but tedious. I was a wagon at the time I posted that.
3) Besides BM sheeping everything with a pulse, no further evidence has emerged to change my read.

Titus is the reason you're ignoring the further evidence, which did emerge, because you're scum and it's inconvenient, or because you genuinely missed it?

I'm ok with you arguing the point, or disagreeing or whatever. But what's actually happened is:

Titus makes case on BM
BM explains why Titus case is flawed
Titus ignores BM but continues to post, frequently referring back to her debunked BM-case.

[Battle Mage]

ahh yes, because me streaming my thoughts requires

B A L

A

N C E

and a clear objective.

I think that's a reasonable expectation, and certainly when it comes to your conclusion. What value does your analysis serve if you start out with an assumption I'm scum, and do everything possible to manufacture everything I post into a scumtell?

[Battle Mage]

Oh no. You of all people do not get to just drop a vote with no reasoning and walk away. Why Battle Mage over the other wagons? Does the case against Murdercat make sense?

Battle Mage has been my number 1 SR for ages, so it's hardly unexplained.

you explained an initial read, which I subsequently illustrated was based on a (potentially genuine) misunderstanding on your part. The fact that you're continuing to refer to me as your "number 1 SR", ignoring that entirely, suggests you're playing a more passive, ambivalent style akin to scum-Titus.

[Battle Mage]

same with Titus?

[Battle Mage]

@BM - No.
You have posted next to nothing in the way of reasoning and it's impossible to figure out where you actually stand on anything.
That is not an acceptable answer.

Acceptable answer? You didn't ASK me anything, which was precisely my point. I called you out for not showing any evidence of trying to solve my slot, and your response was to turn it back on me and double-down on the argument that my simple posts are too difficult to understand and that means I must be scum.

Nor is it acceptable to say that I've been talking around you when I've been trying to engage people almost since I've started playing the game.
I actually think this may be the first time we've interacted at all which is way too long at this point and I'm definitely not okay with that.
If I'm wrong on this somehow, even though I'm almost 100% certain that I'm not, then feel free to actually point out where you've explained all of your reads because you haven't, iirc.

you're "almost 100% certain" I'm scum, despite yourself admitting we've never interacted, and not making any effort to do so? There's also a real lack of big picture perspective here - your reason for voting me also applies to others but I don't see you taking such a hard line with them. Selective scumhunting

This is too not good if you're town, so I'm gonna stick with my vote on you.

[Battle Mage]

BM I can't get over how your reads seems to be structured to townread people townreading you and scum read people scum reading you
It's not necessarily scummy but why

I'm not sure which way around it was - maybe they scumread me because i scumread them?

I'm being voted by:

Blitzo, Gamma, DGB, Titus.

Of those, I'm neutral on Gamma, fairly neutral with a minor scumlean on DGB, scumreads on Blitzo and Titus.

My reads are pretty fluid this game, and I'm sure there's an unconscious bias somewhere and somebody is pocketting me but in general I think I have a good solid townblock.

[Battle Mage]

I start with the assumption you're suspicious null. I then go look for things I like or dislike.

I do apologise if I don't play by your rules.

But Chaos has no rules.

And yes, the same with Titus.

what do you mean by "same with Titus"? Do you scumread Titus? or are you saying your defence of yourself also applies to her?

You don't need to apologise to me - mafia is a continuous learning experience and hopefully we will all get something beneficial from the game.

[Battle Mage]

Also I'm trying to keep away from the Gamma vs BM stuff.

That feels like I walked into a bar brawl when I was reading it.

eh, i tried to avoid talking about it, and I only really bothered explaining the context because of you voting for me "because I trust Gamma". As I say, I just don't want to talk about it, or let it impact the game.

[Battle Mage]

Yeah I guess I only repeatedly pointed out where you didn't explain your reads.
Actually I just recalled the only other time we interacted and it was when I pointed out where you didn't explain your reads.
Then you continued not explaining your reads.
But I guess it's okay if you wanna keep pushing this angle where you're so transparent and clear when you haven't done even the slightest bit of reasoning.
Someone just pointed out how your reads are forming (RE - being based on whether someone scum/townreads you) and I think that's actually pretty accurate.
If there's something I missed definitely point it out because I'm just not seeing someone scumhunting tbh.

I slightly wonder why hypothetical Blitzo-scum would risk engaging with me here, although maybe he is more brazen than I'd expect. The hyperbole and exaggeration above are worth flagging, as is the piggy-backing off a suggestion by Cakez (which actually misrepped Cakez a bit, but was super convenient for skimming-scum-Blitzo). After I call him out for not really engaging with me, he actually makes a half-hearted cover in the last line, but is it believable? In his last post, he claimed near 100% certainty I was scum. It feels more like he was suddenly under pressure and to feign a solving-mindset, rather than town who genuinely has doubts.

Overall I think Blitzo is scum and I am content to elim there today.

[Battle Mage]

Alisae has really vanished from this game and I don't like it

@cakez - I wish you would disappear from this game tbh.
I will also note that pooky has thrown me into his townpile.
His vote is still here and we are a day from deadline.
Why do people think he's town?

2 things:

1. What the heck was behind this random assault on Cakez? Just after you'd tried to use his reasoning to your own benefit.
2. What is your obsession with Pooky? In real time I've felt like you expend a disproportionate amount of energy talking about him compared to others.

[Battle Mage]

Titus is the reason you're ignoring the further evidence, which did emerge, because you're scum and it's inconvenient, or because you genuinely missed it?

I'm ok with you arguing the point, or disagreeing or whatever. But what's actually happened is:

Titus makes case on BM
BM explains why Titus case is flawed
Titus ignores BM but continues to post, frequently referring back to her debunked BM-case.

You are always going to disagree with a case on yourself. I want to see you scumhunting and I'm not.

lazy answer. Did you even read what I said? Alternatively, was there any point you posting a case and me responding if you weren't going to actually discuss with me.

Titus, you are normally a lot more engaged and keen to talk and solve than this.

[Battle Mage]

i was scum in his last game and he was tunneled on me the whole game and nobody listened to him and they lost badly.

do you really think he's town here? I'm struggling to see it.

[Battle Mage]

do you really think he's town here? I'm struggling to see it.

his fear of me feels real

time to make a real vote

VOTE: Titus

battle mage

to the titus-mobile!

Ok fine, I'll ride with you Pooks.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Titus

[Battle Mage]

That BM post is about hyperbole is absurd and it makes me angry.
Yeet him with bricks.
PEDIT - Cakez has been shading me all game for poor reasons.
I don't really trust him rn.
As for pooky, people feel like he is town but I have received relatively poor reasoning as to why that is the case.
Do you feel that the points that I've brought up about him are relevant or not, and why?

i dont believe you care what i think, since you're certain I'm scum, so why ask me the question?

if a game is making you angry, you should take a break. I think Cakez has been playing well this game, regardless of alignment.

[Battle Mage]

ah sorry Taly!

[Battle Mage]

I start with the assumption you're suspicious null. I then go look for things I like or dislike.

I do apologise if I don't play by your rules.

But Chaos has no rules.

And yes, the same with Titus.

what do you mean by "same with Titus"? Do you scumread Titus? or are you saying your defence of yourself also applies to her?

You don't need to apologise to me - mafia is a continuous learning experience and hopefully we will all get something beneficial from the game.

I took the same actions with Titus, I went in with a suspicion, and thought streamed as I read through. I have a strong scumlean on Titus.

maybe Titus is scum. or maybe there's a problem with your methodology. Or both perhaps.

Let's elim Titus.

[Battle Mage]

murdercat why havent u solved the game yet

I can't tell if BM is really good scum or just town. I think he is towny in how he is approaching me and I don't think it makes sense to pocked the lim target for the day. Scum is playing well so far this game.

let's work together Mr Cat, and perhaps we can both survive this bleak day. a vote for Titus is a vote for

Trump

Biden

Justice!

[Battle Mage]

VoteCount 1.54

MURDERCAT [4]

outworldER xRECKONERx alisae thegoldenparadox

Battle Mage [4]

blitzo gamma emerald DrippingGoofball titus

no elim [2]

murdercat sircakez

titus [2]

haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear

blitzo [1]

battle mage

sircakez [1]

bell

thegoldenparadox [1]

taly

Not Voting [2]

akarin flea the magician

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus

[Battle Mage]

let's work together Mr Cat, and perhaps we can both survive this bleak day. a vote for Titus is a vote for Trump Biden Justice!

I am willing to throw caution to the wind and sheep Taly, but if I do nothing we probably get a no elim which I prefer so
Also if Titus is town I think she would do well in solving this game

you think she would do well in solving this game, on what basis? I know Titus can be a good player on her day, but all I've seen here is a "top scumread" on me since the very beginning, and an acknowledgement that she isn't interesting in talking with me about it. I actually think if Titus is scum, it's better to elim her now rather than later when she might pick up some steam. And for me it outweighs the risk of elimming Titus-town who isn't actively trying to solve anyway.

you could sheep me and Pooky, as well as Taly.

[Battle Mage]

I think Titus is good at working with data and working off associations and I think there is a lot of both in this game.
If it's a me or her situation the choice is obvious but I want to see if there is any no elim hope first.

suggestion: attack is the best form of defence. if you aim for a good elim you will either get a good elim or no-elim (which you would be happy with anyway). if you tacitly accept a bad elim, including on yourself, there is a risk of a bad outcome.

Take proactive action to protect the town.

[Battle Mage]

he's probably referring to the fact you're ducking me.

[Battle Mage]

Flea The Magician - I scumread this but apparently you think they don't spew this much as town

as scum?

[Battle Mage]

I'll hammer anything if it gets to L-1
including no elim and myself

[Battle Mage]

Flea The Magician - I scumread this but apparently you think they don't spew this much as town

as scum?

yeah mybad you're right here

I've got my eye on you Alisae.

[Battle Mage]

but tbh, I'd prefer not to no-lim

Why though?
VOTE: TGP
I'll sheep you

I think I'm voting scum. It's good to try and do the task wincon, but we can't gauge how viable achieving that wincon is just yet and even then, I'd rather solve the game through reads as well.

I understand the fear of losing potentially 3 town provided we miselim especially since we aren't grouping, but a miselim occurred, this is the time to afford one through a scumread the majority of the total plist feels.

The only way I'd be 100% OK with no-limming is that MORE people claim rooms so we can actively work to group and prevent the possibility of 2p rooms.

i concur with supporting the room claiming.

[Battle Mage]

give intent to hammer a no-lim?

[Battle Mage]

?

[Battle Mage]

come on Taly, Titus is a better vote than TGP.

[Battle Mage]

while im at work, focus on the fact me and Gamma are actually united on the Titus wagon.

That is borderline absolute confirmation she is scum here.

[Battle Mage]

MC's vote analysis post doesn't really seem to come to any actual conclusions and I have no idea what he was trying to accomplish with it.
I also don't understand BM's statement on how Titus is confscum but I know I'm not getting anything in the way of an explanation.
@Taly - I'm not sure what you mean you're going to create more chaos?
Reads like an excuse to not vote tbh.

I feel like Blitzo's posts all follow the same basic structure:

Player X did this. I don't understand.
Player Y did this. I am confused.
Player Z said this. I don't know what they mean.

[Battle Mage]

with 5 hours left, looks like no-lim is inevitable anyway. no time to get a last minute claim from anybody, and I don't favour elimming without that.

[Battle Mage]

Cakez are you coming to Electrical?

[Battle Mage]

i still like Akarin for town.

[Battle Mage]

last bit

cakez

vote someone, if we no lim it might as well be because we run out of time.

i still think a lim can be pulled off on more than one slot, contrary to

BM

.

let me rephrase. I think if there is a majority for a lim today, it's stupid that we left it until a couple hours before deadline before pulling our fingers out of our asses.

[Battle Mage]

with 5 hours left, looks like no-lim is inevitable anyway. no time to get a last minute claim from anybody, and I don't favour elimming without that.

Are we worried about claims?
I kinda thought town power came from the hoods

ah maybe that doesnt matter then

[Battle Mage]

People pushed for me to defend Titus, then 100% ignored it

the "case" on her is pure gut, unexplained, or explained based on a post that is a really bad reason to eliminate Titus. Gamma's earlier point about how many people want to NK Titus on N1 if they're scum, the way the Titus wagon came up both times, the way the MURDERCAT wagon dissipated, and the way Titus handled that small aborted argument with me earlier in the Day.

I think Titus is town. I think the vague differences are explainable by the gamestate and Titus' feeling that No Elimination is optimal. I think her wagon is a ridiculous nothing that people are somehow suddenly enthusiastic about for the 2nd time today with everyone sort of vaguely consenting to it (including people not currently voting for her.)

If y'all are gonna vote Titus, could you address some of this?

in fairness, this fails to engage with the reason I have been voting Titus. *shrug*

[Battle Mage]

i may be done for the day, need to post in other games lol

[Battle Mage]

I feel like there should be more people here and there aren't.
I don't like that.
PEDIT - the case on titus is that she's lazy and apathetic iirc.
I can see it but there are a bunch of people I don't want to vote with on that wagon which has me hesitant.

yes it's outrageous that some people aren't playing mafia on a Tuesday afternoon within core working hours.

[Battle Mage]

Vote Haschel: if he's town it's no worse than a No Elim, and maybe he's scum.

i dont understand this shade. HC has probably been one of the better players today. Is there some personal issue between you both?

Re-reading his ISO, where he mostly picks holes in Titus, who you are cheerleading for... I'm not that excited about flipping him.

[Battle Mage]

Titus and Flea also good candidates for scum.

Flea, straight-up, do you think DGB is scum?

Who is HC scum with? BM seems like the only option

well in that case, HC must be town!

[Battle Mage]

blimey is Akarin normally this abrasive and condescending?

[Battle Mage]

Akarin - so your case on Haschel is:

1. You were salty he ignored a case you made
2. He attacked Titus who you are defending without good reason
3. He said he would go to a room alone, which risks him dying if town. Which effectively removes the need to waste an elim on him now. If he's still alive later, after gallavanting on his own, we would be better off dealing with him then.

It's gonna be a hard No from me.

[Battle Mage]

Also I read Akarin and Taly's posts on HC again, so I guess the question is if HC is bussing Titus. BM, what do you make of that? You dislike Titus as well right?

@BM

It's a stretch. I'm not convinced Haschel is scum, the case on him is poor. I'm not going to elim someone because they 'might' be scum with Titus, when I could simply elim Titus or someone who is actually scummy.

Although frankly at this stage, I'm resigned to the fact we aren't elimming anyone and it's probably for the best.

[Battle Mage]

...you want to sabotage a reactor?

[Battle Mage]

I'm super excited to be in a PT all night with Titus, DGB and Blitzo.