Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[LavarManos]

Hello everyone. I will be catching up sometime later. Excited to be playing with you all

[LavarManos]

1. This is not my first game. I do not have any good town games or scum games.
2. I do not prefer anything. I'm still learning.
3. 2

[LavarManos]

I know what to look for in this gamestate and I will intervene and talk with others when I feel necessary.

You say that RVS is fundamentally flawed, and that people will use the excuse that their votes were random. How so, then, do you know what to look for? Other than votes what are you going to read people off of. I don't like this attitude, but I'm inclined to think it comes from town more than mafia. I envision a newbie mafia would try to blend in instead of openly going against the crowd. However, ben here does not sound like a newbie too much.

I need to conserve my energy for bigger issues

What the...

I start to lose focus on my reads and who I'm scumreading if I try and be extremely townie.

What do you think makes an obvious townie? What would you do if you were trying to be extremely townie? I am very confused as to how that would make you lose focus.

Hm. That explains a bit of the weird sentence, but I'm not ready to accept this revelation yet.

Do you think mafia would intentionally lie about not being a native speaker? This seems quite silly to me.

It seems to me that Trendall overreacted to clidd's original vote. I don't think clidd's vote was serious at all, and I'm wondering why Trendall seemed to think it was serious.

Don't really get this talk about 'first' vs 'last'. Trendall's intent seemed pretty clear to me.

I also want to give the newbies some time to shine brighter than me, I feel like I'm naturally overshadowing all of them combined.

We get it.

There is no 'omgus', I didn't vote for you because you voted me, I voted for you for the reasons that I stated.

Your reasons hinge on clidd's vote being a serious one. If it was, I would be more inclined to agree with you, but it wasn't.

I don't fos you anymore.

VOTE: BM

Time to sort the last SE.

Are you scumreading Battle Mage, or just trying to pressure him? I don't find pressure votes particularly effective, especially with a more experienced player like Battle Mage.

Also, I don't see why a scum SE is any less motivated to push a town SE than a town newbie. It all depends on how the game develops.

Another thing I've noticed about him is that he likes to use the words townie and conservative.

What is scummy about this? For the most part, I think your argument against ben could also be an argument that he is an awkward townie. I'm leaning towards him being an awkward townie, and I think he is an easy target for mafia.

Scum probably like the current gamestate with so many inactive players, so following the inactive crowd would definitely go in their favor.

That's not how it works. Please do not make assumptions based on speculation like this. There's nothing right now that suggests that scum are within the active or within the more inactive players. Regardless, it is generally in scum's advantage to post more.

I have never considered or seen any scum SE try to eliminate another SE D1.

What are you even basing this off of?

I'm sure anyone can be obvious town if they just tried.

No.

How active are you going to be this game?

Depends on schedule

VOTE: Lavarmanos
that's the first scum

Incorrect, and it would be helpful if you gave reasoning.

Thoughts on players
Trendall-He seems to be making various observations that seem unlikely to come from scum.
clidd-I don't see any reason to scumread him, and he seems like he is trying to work together with the town.
ben-Seems like bait, but I also don't like the way he sheeps on popular opinion(voting chumbo after trendall and calling clidd scum after others start to do so)
Chumbo-Seems more interested in calling other players out than solving on his own
NAJON-No opinion.
Battle Mage-No opinion
Rockhopper-No opinion
Lone Markhor-No opinion

[LavarManos]

Ben calling all of clidd's posts null or scummy is not a good look for his read on clidd.

[LavarManos]

What does thonk stand for?
I did not say you aren't allowed to make takes. I said that you shouldn't make takes based off of no evidence. There's no incentive for scum to remain inactive when they can attempt to control the game by staying active. Also, I don't believe the game to be inactive at all. A few players have already commented that they weren't expecting the game to go this fast, so it just seems like your perception is different from others which leads to you thinking that people are "inactive" and thus scummy.
I also feel like being extremely townie does not constitute losing focus on your reads. For example, if you are constantly making reads based off of other people's posts, it makes you look townie and also helps keep you focused on the game. Post 231 is way too idealistic.
@Chumbo There was no contradiction. If you went back and read, clidd explained that it was mostly a joke.

[LavarManos]

Well, here the thing. Newbie scum are scared about going out of their way to take the game over, and majority of the time newbie scum just stay inactive. Powerwolfing is hard even for the most experienced players.

Yes, I understand, but there was nothing so far that indicated such which is why I disagreed with what you said. You can call out inactive people, but that is like taking a shot in the dark(especially since it was just over 100 posts).

people who are proactive are much better off than people who just post reads and detailed explanations etc.

What is the difference? You seem to think becoming an obvious town is something to be done manually. Most of the time, people just naturally become obvious town due to their motivations becoming extremely apparent. It seems like this has already happened

clidd, why didn't you respond to ben in depth? You have only praised him while not offering any sort of real response.

[LavarManos]

What is your impression of my answer, Lavar?

You seemed to be dodging his case, but I didn't find that scummy because the case was too unfavorable. A response regarding that would have been appropriate, and you addressed that in your most recent post.

[LavarManos]

What do you think about his entrance?

I don't have much of an opinion on it. His vote on me is interesting, and I waiting for his reasoning.

[LavarManos]

Rockhopper's attack on Pragdoid would be fine... if Pragdoid wasn't a newbie. I think consensus following reads and searching for contradictions are just as likely to come from a player who is still learning the ropes.

Well I was assuming that the mafias were in the afk people, but their replacements seem nice, so you went back to being more likely to be mafia I'm like rly sorry

This seems too bold for scum to say.

so that when I die night 1 town still has a idea of where to go afterwards.

You won't die on night 1

I still have a light townread on clidd.

[LavarManos]

Rockhopper looks like scum who is trying to be seen as too scummy.
VOTE: Rockhopper

[LavarManos]

I think it is a little biased too.

[LavarManos]

lol

[LavarManos]

I may sound like a pedant, but it wouldn't actually be a Cop9er setup. Cop9 has a free green check while this setup would not.

[LavarManos]

bruh

[LavarManos]

That means either I get an investigation tonight

You're going to get roleblocked

[LavarManos]

Lavar, can you say more than these 1 word posts.

Yes

[LavarManos]

I'm pretty sure clidd is telling the truth, but it will become clear if he isn't.

[LavarManos]

If yes, they will have to choose between me and trendall to roleblock and kill the other.

I believe both of you are practically useless now in terms of night utility.

[LavarManos]

we definitely don't elim clidd or trendall today, choose from {Lavar, Rock, BM, Chumbo maybe}

Pedit: That's E-1. Watch it.

Aren't you voting clidd?

[LavarManos]

I still think clidd is town. I won't be voting him.

[LavarManos]

Then vote me instead of the claimed doc lolol

[LavarManos]

I thought we agreed that Ben's case was mostly biased. I find clidd claiming PR so early to be townie.

[LavarManos]

If I was mafia, I could have just BSed a reason to vote clidd.

[LavarManos]

No, you could use the fact ''hey, i was townreading clidd'' by D2 once I flip to make yourself look good

Conf bias

[LavarManos]

Yes, but I also could genuinely think clidd is town, and, as a result, not be willing to vote him. You both are starting with the assumption that I am scum, and proceeding to use my actions to paint me as such.

[LavarManos]

I am town because your reasons to scumread me are not good.
I think some of the newbies could be scum. Leaning towards Lunar Martian, Rockhopper, and I'm forgetting the others.

[LavarManos]

Hi guys

[LavarManos]

This isn't town clidd behavior at all.

Why not?

[LavarManos]

I don't see anything about defeatism, and I don't understand why it is scummy in this situation. Both you and Trendall are the loudest voices in the games and also happen to be his biggest opponents. I could see him being exasperated as town here, and I don't think the way he presented his claim is likely to come from scum.

[LavarManos]

I tried to lie about my scumlip about what my role do, but I was unable to obfuscate the truth.

Are you saying that you didn't understand your doctor role and that you intentionally tried to cover up your mistakes?
That doesn't seem right.

[LavarManos]

I'm a little confused. What is clidd saying?

[LavarManos]

Good analysis Ben!
VOTE: Battle Mage

[LavarManos]

Battle Mage still seems scummy in the sense that he doesn't seem townie.

[LavarManos]

Bye clidd

[LavarManos]

Good job team! I think Rockhopper is likely to be the last scum What does everyone else think?

[LavarManos]

Nice
Good game!

[LavarManos]

Well then

[LavarManos]

Good job Chumbo