Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[LoneMarkhor]

Where I'm from, artofproblemsolving.com, we use RQS since our profiles do not reveal gender and specific questions like that. Here are some questions I'd like to ask everyone.

1. Is this your first game or do you have past games? Can you link me your best scum and town games if you do have past games? In other words, what games do you want me to metadive you?

2. Favorite role? Favorite alignment?

3. How good are you at scumhunting (self-evaluation), from 1-10?

My answers:

1. I have finished 1 ongoing game, but it is not completed.

2. I like being a Vanilla Townie.

3. Probably a 3-4. I can catch basic tells but nothing extremely complex.

Hmmm...
1. This is my first game of forum mafia.I have never played mafia on forums before.

2. I think mafia goon perhaps.

3. No idea.I still have to see.

[LoneMarkhor]

I am really confused by all these pages of arguments.I wasnt expecting so many pages in this short time.But clidds interaction with trendall slightly makes him look scum.Ben seems town based on his thoughtful reasonings.Trendall could be either.He doesnt read scum to me nor town.
Chumbo reads slightly town too.But I cant say anything about other players.I am surprised by the hardness of catching scum but I think that it will become easier after night 1(perhaps).If I had to vote now I would vote clidd but I am going to refrain from that as there are still many days to deadline.Sorry I cant provide anything new but I am still a newbie.

[LoneMarkhor]

I think I ll have to reread some pages so i can organize my thoughts in a better way.

[LoneMarkhor]

I am really confused by all these pages of arguments.I wasnt expecting so many pages in this short time.But clidds interaction with trendall slightly makes him look scum.Ben seems town based on his thoughtful reasonings.Trendall could be either.He doesnt read scum to me nor town.
Chumbo reads slightly town too.But I cant say anything about other players.I am surprised by the hardness of catching scum but I think that it will become easier after night 1(perhaps).If I had to vote now I would vote clidd but I am going to refrain from that as there are still many days to deadline.Sorry I cant provide anything new but I am still a newbie.

Which Ben post in particular do you think best illustrates the town feel you had of him?

By extension, you said that Ben is town due to thoughtful reasoning, but I also provided some in the posts where I explain my reads on Ben/Trendall. Shouldn't I be town in your view too?

What I meant was that he provided quite some reasons for what he said(a good example is the recent post against you).Why I think you are scum is your general posts which make it look like that you try to be active while trying to not say too much.No posts in general but thats the thing I get.

[LoneMarkhor]

Also sorry for my inactivity, I 'll be more active from tomorrow.

[LoneMarkhor]

What is confbias?

[LoneMarkhor]

Rockhopper you are really acting suspicious.First Lavar.Now why do you think ben is scum?

[LoneMarkhor]

Why am I a suspect?

[LoneMarkhor]

@chumbo: what do you think about what rockhopper is saying?

[LoneMarkhor]

It feels like he is trying to save his scum partner(Clidd).Or(idk) he may have gone out of his way to pressure others but really that was too much so I think its not possible.Was Clidd not defending him because he was waiting for his other partner to take the heat off him.If so then it didn't go well for them.Well if so It would be his first time playing scum.It is most likely he is mafia. I cant think why he would do this as town.He was more likely trying to save half the mafia being caught day 1.Of course all this relies on the hypothesis that Clidd is also mafia.But I think Clidd voted for him too.What could that mean?So there is a chance this might not be true.Unless further analysis
(A bif FOS on rockhopper)
I'd probably voting him.

[LoneMarkhor]

Typo:big FOS

[LoneMarkhor]

I am really curious what BM is gonna post.I dont think its going to be what I think it will be.

[LoneMarkhor]

They are town masons?

[LoneMarkhor]

Random thoughts.Dont pay too much attention.

[LoneMarkhor]

Oops I was going vote you Clidd.The flattery bit just didnt seem town.Probably I shall wait for a counterclaim.

[LoneMarkhor]

Rockhopper:Why did you vote chumbo?
I think chumbo is strong town lean and some other people also think so.

[LoneMarkhor]

I'm thinking about lunar or lone.

Why lone? I don't buy the rolefishing idea at all.

I don't remember which game, but I already saw newbies faking dumbtells and others things as scum to catch prs.

So I don't trust at all.

I was discussing a possibility why you werent scum.That was NOT rolefishing.

[LoneMarkhor]

But isn't rockhopper more suspicious?I mean now it seems

[LoneMarkhor]

Sorry half post my bad

[LoneMarkhor]

As if he was scum trying to seem town by being too agressive?

[LoneMarkhor]

Voting without good reasons.

[LoneMarkhor]

You think he is acting odd so he is town?

[LoneMarkhor]

How many days to deadline?

[LoneMarkhor]

How many days to deadline?

Only four days.Excluding rock I have no other strong suspect.Yes I agree trendall but that was more than just odd behaviour.But that could just as easily have been a townie.

[LoneMarkhor]

Are we even going to eliminate someone day 1 because I can think of no one likely to be scum!

[LoneMarkhor]

Can the doctor protect himself?

[LoneMarkhor]

VOTE: BattleMage

Perhaps he will take this game more seriously.

[LoneMarkhor]

OK I agree we should go with LunarMartian.It was really difficult reading 15 pages took real long
I honestly don't think Clidd is mafia.Though he has been acting scummy.But he is almost confirmed town.So we should go with other scummy people.Most scummy is Lunar martian or at least thats what I think from his ISO.Also sorry Clidd for self protection post.I mean whats scummy in that.Newbie scum might have taken the bait and not targeted you.Right now PRs are as useful as vanilla townies.
UNVOTE: BattleMage
VOTE: LunarMartian

[LoneMarkhor]

I don't think clidd is scum so we should elim others who are most scummy.(Lunar,Rock)imo

[LoneMarkhor]

also Lunar why do you think i am scum?

[LoneMarkhor]

OK I agree we should go with LunarMartian.It was really difficult reading 15 pages took real long
I honestly don't think Clidd is mafia.Though he has been acting scummy.But he is almost confirmed town.So we should go with other scummy people.Most scummy is Lunar martian or at least thats what I think from his ISO.Also sorry Clidd for self protection post.I mean whats scummy in that.Newbie scum might have taken the bait and not targeted you.Right now PRs are as useful as vanilla townies.
UNVOTE: BattleMage
VOTE: LunarMartian

OK, but what makes me scummy? This seems like a very opportunistic vote with little justification.

That was not a opportunistic vote.But I dont think no elim is an option.My POE is like this(Rock,Lunar,lavar,BM,Chumbo).BM is not scummy imo.Its just that he is like VLA.Chumbo is least scummy out of the remaining candidates.Out of the remaining 3,I think at least one is scum for sure.I am just voting one who has a bandwagon on them.Like the town is already split up.We have to agree on someone.

[LoneMarkhor]

also Lunar why do you think i am scum?

I buy clidd's reasoning, and you have done nothing that makes me think you're town.

Sorry I don't know which reasoning you are talking about.His reasoning was against you,wasn't it?

[LoneMarkhor]

Reason: The game has become full of chaos.Cop voting for doc.I trust Ben and Clidd(more).So I decide to join their wagon.

[LoneMarkhor]

OK I agree we should go with LunarMartian.It was really difficult reading 15 pages took real long
I honestly don't think Clidd is mafia.Though he has been acting scummy.But he is almost confirmed town.So we should go with other scummy people.Most scummy is Lunar martian or at least thats what I think from his ISO.Also sorry Clidd for self protection post.I mean whats scummy in that.Newbie scum might have taken the bait and not targeted you.Right now PRs are as useful as vanilla townies.
UNVOTE: BattleMage
VOTE: LunarMartian

Why do you think is scummy about LunarMartian's ISO?
Hopefully you answer this before I post my reads

Ok i'll post the whole reason.Be patient for sometime.I am not good at typing.

[LoneMarkhor]

Ben's ISO on Lunar seems like lunar voted Ben for showing us they aren't scum partners while not causing too much harm.Ben himself has also been suspicious because he created a bandwagon on rock and then when it reached close to hammering,he thought that the townies are going to eliminate him so he abandoned it and tried to throw suspicion on lavar.Lunar thinks that maybe he overdid it and when chumbo said he thinks ben isn't scum he just says "Oh yeah I agree".
When Ben cast a vote on clidd(was he trying to elim doc with a 'crazy cop')then lunar again voted him.Both times it was like its just one vote on him. good bargain for not seeming his friend.
BTW according to Clidds ISO,jumble had a scumlean on ben too so there were already enough bandwagons so lunar thought a single not so noticed vote on his scum partner except for future references.
I know all that was not so convincing but what was really suspicious was that ben didn'tvote lunar which gave me the impression as if he had already taken too much risk a bandwagon on his partner should not start.
So I voted Lunar to see if ben will try to save him from a possible bandwagon and create a distraction.But now I don't think I am going to change my vote at least not today.I mean if we exclude meta research,ben could be scum.

[LoneMarkhor]

sorry I am not good at quoting or writing (even not that) long posts.

[LoneMarkhor]

Wait Clidd you hadn't voted lunar yet?

[LoneMarkhor]

VOTE: Lunar Martian

:thonk: I think

[LoneMarkhor]

Unless you have two votes somehow.

[LoneMarkhor]

It would be sad if he's scum using the newbie veil to hide in plain sight with innocent questions.

I would never do that .By the way, goodbye for the night(Assuming lunar is going to eliminated).Either you or trendall are going to be nightkilled.

[LoneMarkhor]

It would be sad if he's scum using the newbie veil to hide in plain sight with innocent questions.

I would never do that .By the way, goodbye for the night(Assuming lunar is going to eliminated).Either you or trendall are going to be nightkilled.

Unless lunar is the roleblocker.Lets hope so.

[LoneMarkhor]

Sorry Lunar but we are playing hardcore mode here.

[LoneMarkhor]

My POE {BM,lavar,rock}.
I don't think chumbo is scum.Clidd is town for sure.We should go with BattleMage he's been dropping hints that he's mafia I think.

[LoneMarkhor]

Where Lavar makes him suspicious are those posts where both PRs claimed.He was trolling(lurking? or whatever).Also I think Battlemage could be sacrificing himself to keep a distance from Lavar.Or it could be Rock.

[LoneMarkhor]

Hey Ben,should we hammer BM Now?

[LoneMarkhor]

VOTE: Chumbo

Nothing has made me suspicious of Chumbo so far.Are you trying to get him miseliminated?
Most probable scum team is {BM,Rock} imo.

[LoneMarkhor]

Good job team! I think Rockhopper is likely to be the last scum What does everyone else think?

Yes I also think that rock is the last scum.

[LoneMarkhor]

It is either rock or lavar.Eliminate one today one tomorrow and we win.
Though I also think rock's responses are town somewhat but there is only one way to find out the truth.
VOTE: Rockhopper

Attention:E-1

[LoneMarkhor]

So what do we do now?
I don't think we are gonna get anything by wasting time.The best way is to eliminate rock so we win.Or otherwise it has to be Lavar.I am really sure.So somebody should vote.

[LoneMarkhor]

VOTE: Lavarmanos
Win or Lose but lavar is definitely scummier.

[LoneMarkhor]

So... Chumbo,were you scum? If so then...good play.

[LoneMarkhor]

Were you scum Lavar?

[LoneMarkhor]

What the-
Is that a joke?

[LoneMarkhor]

seriously!

[LoneMarkhor]

I mean siriuoosly!

[LoneMarkhor]

Good job chumbo the scum!
I should have allowed Lavar to talk but I was so sure of my reads.

[LoneMarkhor]

Oh yeah I shouldn't have been that DUMBBB.

[LoneMarkhor]

Dumb townies the most plentiful hahahahaha......

[LoneMarkhor]

The point is that Lava was not really demonstrating that he was town, while Chumbo probably seemed more persuasive to Lone.

Yeah, that's the main point.But I should have given thought to other possibilities.Though I learned a lot the hard way.

[LoneMarkhor]

But this game was still very fun.Definitely gonna play another.Very good job,Chumbo,I was still thinking you were joking.

[LoneMarkhor]

Yeah we were playing hardcore mode.though not impossible.