Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[Lunar Martian]

Hello! I had some issues with permissions and couldn't post. I haven't read the whole thread yet, but to answer Mr. Dover, this is my first game so I'm not really sure about any of that. I played a few games of irl mafia with some friends, but haven't played online so I'm really not sure what to expect. So far the people I'm most suspicious of are clidd who seems a bit off and artificial, and ben dover who looks like he's trying to look like hes being helpful without doing much to actually help or solve. On this page for example, Ben attacks Lavar for voting for Rockhopper, while he himself is also voting for Rockhopper and is pushing for more votes there.

VOTE: ben dover123

[Lunar Martian]

Hello! I had some issues with permissions and couldn't post. I haven't read the whole thread yet, but to answer Mr. Dover, this is my first game so I'm not really sure about any of that. I played a few games of irl mafia with some friends, but haven't played online so I'm really not sure what to expect. So far the people I'm most suspicious of are clidd who seems a bit off and artificial, and ben dover who looks like he's trying to look like hes being helpful without doing much to actually help or solve. On this page for example, Ben attacks Lavar for voting for Rockhopper, while he himself is also voting for Rockhopper and is pushing for more votes there.

VOTE: ben dover123

Mmmm...You lack context, my friend. The thing I am really suspicious of is that Lavar puts Rockhopper at E-1, with intent to hammer, but he has no good reason to do so. That is a bad look from Lavar, considering that the vc was made hours ago. Plus, the Rock wagon popped up way faster than I expected, which is surprising and scary at the same time.

E-1 means one vote away from death right? Sorry I spent some time reading the wiki but I think it will take me some time to adjust to and internalize the jargon on this site. Shouldn't you agree that Lavar has reason to put Rockhopper to E-1, since you're voting there yourself? You could always unvote if you're that concerned. Your concern rings as false, more an attempt to attack someone on the wagon to make them look bad if Rockhopper is town than an attempt to show genuine concern.

[Lunar Martian]

I really don't think ben is scum. I did before, but with his meta analysis and other newer posts, it doesn't seem like he is anymore. I don't see scum intentions.

i agree with this

[Lunar Martian]

Also he's never getting eliminated is he so he doesn't even has to sacrifice himself at all necessarily.

I really dislike this push from trendall on the claimed doctor. The doctor claim will be tested at night, and trendall should know better as an SE.
VOTE: trendall

[Lunar Martian]

GJ clidd, you got 5000 posts.

Wait, trendall can you rephrase why you TR Rock?

What I'm really frustrated about rn is that BM and Lunar Martian are still nullish, which is kind of bad going into D2. I want more from BM in particular...

I only replaced in today, please give me some time to get caught up and adjusted to forum mafia.

[Lunar Martian]

GJ clidd, you got 5000 posts.

Wait, trendall can you rephrase why you TR Rock?

What I'm really frustrated about rn is that BM and Lunar Martian are still nullish, which is kind of bad going into D2. I want more from BM in particular...

I only replaced in today, please give me some time to get caught up and adjusted to forum mafia.

Overreaction much?

Really? You said you are "really frustrated" so I said "please bear with me"...

[Lunar Martian]

I see rock's posts as townie. I think it's a bit melodramatic for clidd to get so frustrated and claim, and for rock to say "just kill me"... I don't think either of them was the most voted person at the time they did that.

[Lunar Martian]

Question: why is clidd lying?

[Lunar Martian]

I am not counterclaiming. It has been pointed out that clidd is lying about an aspect of his claim. Clidd, why are you lying?

[Lunar Martian]

A doctor cannot target themselves, so that can't self-protect, I just looked this up on the wiki.

And clidd, the doctor would know that. Hence clidd is lying. The question is: why?

[Lunar Martian]

VOTE: clidd

[Lunar Martian]

VOTE: Ben Dover

That vote on clidd was terrible. Almost as bad as both the power roles claiming for no reason.

[Lunar Martian]

VOTE: Ben Dover

That vote on clidd was terrible. Almost as bad as both the power roles claiming for no reason.

[Lunar Martian]

Like Lunar Martian, I get that that was scummy as shit from ben but you're not going to get four other people to vote for him in time.

There are four days left right? That's plenty of time. stop being so defeatist.

[Lunar Martian]

Nah clidd's my final vote today.

That said, this attitude is awful and does actually make it hard to kill anyone. Can people get over themselves and try to find scum rather than get themselves killed because they feel bad that they made a mistake?

[Lunar Martian]

Listen, I told him strictly to stop spamming one liners and give us some ideas on how to approach, but he kept on fluffposting and has been literally been bystanding this entire implosion.

Unfortunately for you, there's no rule saying we have to do what you say.

[Lunar Martian]

I will not be voting clidd or trendall today.

[Lunar Martian]

I'm pretty confident with a Lunar elimination.

And I'm pretty confident that you aren't all that smart.

I'm pretty confident that the following people are town:
me, trendall, clidd (you aren't half as smart as you think you are), ben dover (you are very overconfident and slip into confirmation bias very easily), Chumbo.
That leaves:
Lavar, Rockhopper, Lone, BM.

Out of those four, I'd pick BM and Lone to be the most likely scum. BM is being far too quiet. Didn't someone say BM normally posts a lot more?

VOTE: BM

[Lunar Martian]

I think if we need a hang right away, we go for Lunar. Last possible second we could still get a conftown out of clidd and Chumbo is still a townlean for his macro read, but Lunar is the only one that doesn't add up in that group. However, that is like the last minute emergency hang, as long as we have time on our hands I'll keep on reading up on Chumbo and clidd to see if I could possibly get a solve today.

Also, I don't think BM would openly say "clidd is scum, take coming soon" if clidd is his partner, and also I don't think they would want to take the risk of putting the first vote on clidd that would end up getting him in hammer range. I just don't think BM/clidd adds up right. It's like BM is attacking clidd but clidd is trying to get him on his side.

This is some pretty bad logic. There's still a third of the day left. Why are you in such a rush? And why are you using the fact that clidd is scum to say BM isn't scum? Because you don't seem to be considering BM as possible scum but I haven't seen you give reasons why BM isn't scum with someone else.

[Lunar Martian]

OK I agree we should go with LunarMartian.It was really difficult reading 15 pages took real long
I honestly don't think Clidd is mafia.Though he has been acting scummy.But he is almost confirmed town.So we should go with other scummy people.Most scummy is Lunar martian or at least thats what I think from his ISO.Also sorry Clidd for self protection post.I mean whats scummy in that.Newbie scum might have taken the bait and not targeted you.Right now PRs are as useful as vanilla townies.
UNVOTE: BattleMage
VOTE: LunarMartian

OK, but what makes me scummy? This seems like a very opportunistic vote with little justification.

[Lunar Martian]

also Lunar why do you think i am scum?

I buy clidd's reasoning, and you have done nothing that makes me think you're town.

[Lunar Martian]

so I'm at like E-2 because apparently I'm not "taking the game seriously" and "going to coast and do nothing" despite being VLA for weekend and then coming back and posting lots of analysis and thoughts last night, with the promise of finishing the 2nd half of my read-through tonight?

either people with unrealistic activity standards or just not reading what I have posted and cruising on an outdated "BM is absent" read.

If I ain't dead, I'll be back tonight.

Although I question BM for the fact that he said "I'll be back tonight" when tonight has already happened. Ah well, maybe "tonight" is relative if BM lives in a different time zone with a different schedule.

BM has repeatedly promised to post and not followed through.

[Lunar Martian]

OK I agree we should go with LunarMartian.It was really difficult reading 15 pages took real long
I honestly don't think Clidd is mafia.Though he has been acting scummy.But he is almost confirmed town.So we should go with other scummy people.Most scummy is Lunar martian or at least thats what I think from his ISO.Also sorry Clidd for self protection post.I mean whats scummy in that.Newbie scum might have taken the bait and not targeted you.Right now PRs are as useful as vanilla townies.
UNVOTE: BattleMage
VOTE: LunarMartian

OK, but what makes me scummy? This seems like a very opportunistic vote with little justification.

That was not a opportunistic vote.But I dont think no elim is an option.My POE is like this(Rock,Lunar,lavar,BM,Chumbo).BM is not scummy imo.Its just that he is like VLA.Chumbo is least scummy out of the remaining candidates.Out of the remaining 3,I think at least one is scum for sure.I am just voting one who has a bandwagon on them.Like the town is already split up.We have to agree on someone.

But you said you think I'm scummy. Why do you think I'm scummy?

[Lunar Martian]

Spoiler:

ben dover
LoneMarkhor
Trendall
Battle Mage
LavarManos
Lunar
Chumbo

what does this list mean?

[Lunar Martian]

also Lunar why do you think i am scum?

I buy clidd's reasoning, and you have done nothing that makes me think you're town.

Sorry I don't know which reasoning you are talking about.His reasoning was against you,wasn't it?

His reasoning regarding you slipping. It seems odd that you don't know how a doctor works but you know your favorite role is mafia goon. The way you are jumping on the largest bandwagon and stating that you think I'm scummy but then also not being able to provide any reasons for why I'm scummy is, ironically, rather scummy.

[Lunar Martian]

Spoiler:

ben dover
LoneMarkhor
Trendall
Battle Mage
LavarManos
Lunar
Chumbo

what does this list mean?

Towniest to scummiest

Why is Chumbo at the bottom of your list?

[Lunar Martian]

Reason: The game has become full of chaos.Cop voting for doc.I trust Ben and Clidd(more).So I decide to join their wagon.

None of that is reason why you think I'm scum.

[Lunar Martian]

OK let me address it. This is a really dumb wagon. The case on me is pathetic, there's nothing for me to even defend. Ben you say my read on you changed a lot, but when you criticized me for that you even admitted that you had been scummy. There's one scum on my wagon and 4 dumb townies. Lone is almost certainly scum here.

[Lunar Martian]

My solve right now would be Lone and BM.

[Lunar Martian]

OK let me address it. This is a really dumb wagon. The case on me is pathetic, there's nothing for me to even defend. Ben you say my read on you changed a lot, but when you criticized me for that you even admitted that you had been scummy. There's one scum on my wagon and 4 dumb townies. Lone is almost certainly scum here.

What? When was that? I gotta reread.

Lone is not scum. Have you seen his recent posts?

Pedit: :thonk: what is your reason for BM again?

BM isn't posting after repeatedly promising to be active. When BM gets called out he shows up and posts just enough that everyone gives him a pass. Also Lone's "welp" post is super scummy. It's scum trying to look like a townie who feels bad. Just kill me, then tomorrow when the cop has no result and the doctor is dead and you continue to self destruct with terrible reads I'll be laughing in the graveyard. Ben you are way overconfident and it seems like your reads are quite bad. No one is re-evaluating. Look at Lone's justification for voting me (spoiler alert: there's no justification other than straight up naked opportunism because I'm a person that people don't townread and other people are willing to vote me). Even after being repeatedly prodded for reasoning why I'm scum Lone hasn't provided any.

The rest of you have really poor reasoning to think I'm scum, but at least there is some.

[Lunar Martian]

Spoiler: General Macro Reads

ben dover123

Trendall

LoneMarkhor

Rockhopper

Chumbo

Battle Mage

clidd

Lunar Martian

These macro reads were formed by posts. clidd may be the uncc'ed doctor, but his posts mostly ping openwolfy, so in the macro readlist clidd is overall scummy.

Trendall: Confirmed town.
LoneMarkhor: Just newbie town, no more no less.
Rockhopper: Was relatively scummy in his posts, but the defeatedness is just not a thing coming from scum Rock.
Chumbo: Was a nice TR before, but he has sunk down to only a TL now. His proactiveness about solving decreased massively but I have to complete his ISO to see.
BM: Is technically a null with so little posts and little reactions, but his slot is just >randtown with all the +towncred he is getting.
clidd: Overall his posts are scummy, backtracking, bizarre explanations, but he is a much more complicated case and he goes beyond macro reads, so I don't think this macro read will be very helpful in determining his alignment.
Lunar Martian: Jumble was scummy, and then now I am getting a sense of disconnected reads from Lunar, switching from one person to another quickly. I completed Lunar's ISO and he is backtracking on my read multiple times, already this is the 3rd time he has gone back and forth between me being scum and me being town. That just feels like generally indecisive scum.

Wait Lunar, you talking about this? This isn't me admitting I was scummy, your read just changed like 3 times and I feel a massive disconnection between you and your reads. You thought I was scummy, then you thought I was town, and then you went back to scummy and now you are saying "ben is town" again.

It was the first time you mentioned it. Yesterday or the day before. You said you didn't like my read changing on you, but also admitted that you had made some very questionable posts. Me re-evaluating isn't a scumtell. It's me being a townie and being unsure of my reads. As scum why would I change my reads like that? It would be so much easier to just pick a read and stick with it, or maybe change it once opportunistically.

And rather than assume me changing my mind is scummy you should ask me questions to try to uncover my true intentions. This is garbage play from you, tbh.

[Lunar Martian]

OK let me address it. This is a really dumb wagon. The case on me is pathetic, there's nothing for me to even defend. Ben you say my read on you changed a lot, but when you criticized me for that you even admitted that you had been scummy. There's one scum on my wagon and 4 dumb townies. Lone is almost certainly scum here.

What? When was that? I gotta reread.

Lone is not scum. Have you seen his recent posts?

Pedit: :thonk: what is your reason for BM again?

BM isn't posting after repeatedly promising to be active. When BM gets called out he shows up and posts just enough that everyone gives him a pass. Also Lone's "welp" post is super scummy. It's scum trying to look like a townie who feels bad. Just kill me, then tomorrow when the cop has no result and the doctor is dead and you continue to self destruct with terrible reads I'll be laughing in the graveyard. Ben you are way overconfident and it seems like your reads are quite bad. No one is re-evaluating. Look at Lone's justification for voting me (spoiler alert: there's no justification other than straight up naked opportunism because I'm a person that people don't townread and other people are willing to vote me). Even after being repeatedly prodded for reasoning why I'm scum Lone hasn't provided any.

The rest of you have really poor reasoning to think I'm scum, but at least there is some.

...
Being salty about your wagon won't do anything about it. Just saying.
Can you explain how my reads are quite bad?
Can you try looking for Lone as a genuine newbie town?

Well the main reason your reads are trash is that you think I'm scum. I know that's wrong. The rest of your reads start with the assumption that I'm scum and then you look for who my partners could be. That's really poor reasoning and based on a faulty premise.

I'm not salty that there's a wagon on me. I'm salty that the wagon on me is for shit reasons and no one is reconsidering. If I go down that's OK, but I'm gonna point out what fools you are while I still can.

If Lone is newb town that means that you're almost certainly scum.

[Lunar Martian]

Ah, I screwed it up. Here is a much better formatted version:

Here is Lunar's ISO btw clidd.

Spoiler: Lunar ISO

Hello! I had some issues with permissions and couldn't post. I haven't read the whole thread yet, but to answer Mr. Dover, this is my first game so I'm not really sure about any of that. I played a few games of irl mafia with some friends, but haven't played online so I'm really not sure what to expect. So far the people I'm most suspicious of are clidd who seems a bit off and artificial, and ben dover who looks like he's trying to look like hes being helpful without doing much to actually help or solve. On this page for example, Ben attacks Lavar for voting for Rockhopper, while he himself is also voting for Rockhopper and is pushing for more votes there.

VOTE: ben dover123

Hello! I had some issues with permissions and couldn't post. I haven't read the whole thread yet, but to answer Mr. Dover, this is my first game so I'm not really sure about any of that. I played a few games of irl mafia with some friends, but haven't played online so I'm really not sure what to expect. So far the people I'm most suspicious of are clidd who seems a bit off and artificial, and ben dover who looks like he's trying to look like hes being helpful without doing much to actually help or solve. On this page for example, Ben attacks Lavar for voting for Rockhopper, while he himself is also voting for Rockhopper and is pushing for more votes there.

VOTE: ben dover123

Mmmm...You lack context, my friend. The thing I am really suspicious of is that Lavar puts Rockhopper at E-1, with intent to hammer, but he has no good reason to do so. That is a bad look from Lavar, considering that the vc was made hours ago. Plus, the Rock wagon popped up way faster than I expected, which is surprising and scary at the same time.

E-1 means one vote away from death right? Sorry I spent some time reading the wiki but I think it will take me some time to adjust to and internalize the jargon on this site. Shouldn't you agree that Lavar has reason to put Rockhopper to E-1, since you're voting there yourself? You could always unvote if you're that concerned. Your concern rings as false, more an attempt to attack someone on the wagon to make them look bad if Rockhopper is town than an attempt to show genuine concern.

I really don't think ben is scum. I did before, but with his meta analysis and other newer posts, it doesn't seem like he is anymore. I don't see scum intentions.

i agree with this

I'm not a fan of how Lunar hard pushed me for his first two posts and then he all of a sudden declares I am town.

Also he's never getting eliminated is he so he doesn't even has to sacrifice himself at all necessarily.

I really dislike this push from trendall on the claimed doctor. The doctor claim will be tested at night, and trendall should know better as an SE.
VOTE: trendall

This is also a awkward vote plus reasoning. With context it should be known that Trendall was hard pushing clidd for scummy behavior before his claim. Maybe this is just lack of context from Lunar though.

Posts #640, #647, #663, and #713 are progression to voting clidd because clidd is lying.

VOTE: Ben Dover

That vote on clidd was terrible. Almost as bad as both the power roles claiming for no reason.

This backtrack on his townread isn't that great.

My defense for this is that my mental state went boom boom for a couple of pages there. It was so damn chaotic I had no idea what was going on for a few minutes. Clidd starting backtracking on his reads, then the tide turned and Lavar was doing scummy stuff.

I see rock's posts as townie. I think it's a bit melodramatic for clidd to get so frustrated and claim, and for rock to say "just kill me"... I don't think either of them was the most voted person at the time they did that.

Wait, wasn't this already noted by Trendall?

Like Lunar Martian, I get that that was scummy as shit from ben but you're not going to get four other people to vote for him in time.

There are four days left right? That's plenty of time. stop being so defeatist.

Nah clidd's my final vote today.

That said, this attitude is awful and does actually make it hard to kill anyone. Can people get over themselves and try to find scum rather than get themselves killed because they feel bad that they made a mistake?

This is a nitpicky coming from Lunar. The tone sounds like Lunar is ordering Trendall to do this and that.

Listen, I told him strictly to stop spamming one liners and give us some ideas on how to approach, but he kept on fluffposting and has been literally been bystanding this entire implosion.

Unfortunately for you, there's no rule saying we have to do what you say.

This is kind of harsh coming from Lunar. I think he has turned back on his original townread by the tone of this post.

Oh this.

More specifically: "My defense for this is that my mental state went boom boom for a couple of pages there. It was so damn chaotic I had no idea what was going on for a few minutes. Clidd starting backtracking on his reads, then the tide turned and Lavar was doing scummy stuff."

This isn't me accepting that I was scummy? It's just that for like 5 pages people were spamposting and I had no idea what was going on.

It was the first time you mentioned it. Yesterday or the day before. You said you didn't like my read changing on you, but also admitted that you had made some very questionable posts. Me re-evaluating isn't a scumtell. It's me being a townie and being unsure of my reads. As scum why would I change my reads like that? It would be so much easier to just pick a read and stick with it, or maybe change it once opportunistically.

And rather than assume me changing my mind is scummy you should ask me questions to try to uncover my true intentions. This is garbage play from you, tbh.

You know, the problem with newbie scum is that they are usually indecisive since if they choose to tunnel into a miselim, then what will town think once the miselim flips? That is the underlining thought process of newbie scum, and since you are so indecisive about your read on me, I suspect you are scared trying to chase my miselim.

Again, the salty behavior isn't doing you any justice. Changing your mind multiple times in one day is considered very indecisive and is considered a newbie scumtell. It's kind of like you are hedging on your elimination for the day and you are indecisive about how town will react once you chase the wrong elimination very hard.

Pedit: smh. Can you just have a straight attitude for a second? If you really think that all of these reasons are s***, then defend them yourself and don't ask everyone to "reconsider" all of their reasons. You are capable of that, I presume?

I did defend myself. I defended myself against every point you've made. Actually, you've really only made one point. You defending yourself for "your brain going boom" suggests that because your brain went boom you made some posts that you disagree with in retrospect. If you stand by those posts then I want to go back and pressure you for them, but it seemed like you were retracting them.

Where is the evidence that I'm trying to keep my options open? I've been pretty transparent with my reads.

To everyone who thinks I'm scum: please post your case so I can engage with it.

[Lunar Martian]

The rest of you have really poor reasoning to think I'm scum, but at least there is some.

Dude. You literally sheeped clidd about Lone being scum for having mafia goon as his favourite role.
I can't see how you would choose that over BM as town.

How is it dumb to think you're scum keeping your options open?

Thanks Rock, this was my point but it was much better worded.

The attitude of "Oh town has absolute s*** reasons but I'm not going to fix them myself" is not pro-town, you know.

Except I am fixing them. Lone is scum. BM is scummy. In what world am I not presenting my reads? You need to pull your head out of your ass and read my posts. And then before you read my posts, please pretend that you don't already assume I'm scum. You've decided that I'm scum and everything you read is viewed through that lens. It's not good play.

[Lunar Martian]

Oh and Rockhopper is the third most likely person to be scum.

[Lunar Martian]

Ben: please go read Lone's posts and see if you can find any reasoning why Lone thinks I'm scum.

[Lunar Martian]

I did defend myself. I defended myself against every point you've made. Actually, you've really only made one point. You defending yourself for "your brain going boom" suggests that because your brain went boom you made some posts that you disagree with in retrospect. If you stand by those posts then I want to go back and pressure you for them, but it seemed like you were retracting them.

Where is the evidence that I'm trying to keep my options open? I've been pretty transparent with my reads.

To everyone who thinks I'm scum: please post your case so I can engage with it.

Yeah, I regret every moment of those 5 pages, but I don't consider them scummy. I was just a brainless townie then. smh Yesterday was way too crazy.

"I've been pretty transparent with my reads." I'm still not understanding how you cannot see Lone as just a newbie town.

Ben: please go read Lone's posts and see if you can find any reasoning why Lone thinks I'm scum.

I have a feeling that Lone is just lost as a newbie town, it's hard to see him being scum and using these innocent questions as a veil.

Ignore the posts that are trying to look like a newbie town for a moment. Even a newbie town should be able to come up with a reason to scumread someone, right? Lone doesn't seem to have any reason for scumreading me.

[Lunar Martian]

Except I am fixing them. Lone is scum. BM is scummy. In what world am I not presenting my reads? You need to pull your head out of your ass and read my posts. And then before you read my posts, please pretend that you don't already assume I'm scum. You've decided that I'm scum and everything you read is viewed through that lens. It's not good play.

I can see this coming from town but the margin is relatively small. Especially your attitude, as right now just doesn't ping as pro-town.

speak for yourself.

[Lunar Martian]

If you got voted to E-1 and people couldn't provide any reasoning but assumed that you were scum and were only looking for other scum based on their interactions with you you'd probably also get frustrated. You aren't engaging with me in good faith or making any effort to consider the possibility that you're wrong. If you can't engage in good faith with me, I have no reason to do so with you. It doesn't matter what I say, you've decided that I'm scum. So I'm just gonna say things that make me feel better about dying, which in this case means ridiculing you.

[Lunar Martian]

Lunar Martian, I didn't see you addressing my analysis of your predecessor. I provided a reasoning that pointed to Jumble being scum, consequently, transmitting to you (which is the same slot).

What do you want me to say? That you're wrong? I can't justify the thoughts of my predecessor. All I can say is that my role PM says Vanilla Townie.

[Lunar Martian]

If you got voted to E-1 and people couldn't provide any reasoning but assumed that you were scum and were only looking for other scum based on their interactions with you you'd probably also get frustrated. You aren't engaging with me in good faith or making any effort to consider the possibility that you're wrong. If you can't engage in good faith with me, I have no reason to do so with you. It doesn't matter what I say, you've decided that I'm scum. So I'm just gonna say things that make me feel better about dying, which in this case means ridiculing you.

Um, we aren't assuming you are scum. There are reasons behind my accusation, you know. More than "Lunar is indecisive".

I'd get frustrated, but I'd definitely go and start pointing out the flaws behind the accusations, addressing each one, not:

Ben you are way overconfident and it seems like your reads are quite bad. No one is re-evaluating.
The rest of you have really poor reasoning to think I'm scum, but at least there is some.

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It was the first time you mentioned it. Yesterday or the day before. You said you didn't like my read changing on you, but also admitted that you had made some very questionable posts.

And rather than assume me changing my mind is scummy you should ask me questions to try to uncover my true intentions. This is garbage play from you, tbh.

The only thing you fixed was adding in the possibility of "Scum would choose a read and stick to it".

I can't really engage with you in good faith because you are very sure that Lone is scum and so is BM, and the reasons you provided I just can't agree with. Maybe we can work something together, but the way you are rejecting the possibility that Lone is genuinely newbie town is not helping us get together in good faith.

I am thinking about the possibility where I am wrong, and it's likely there, but this is likely where we are going today and as Trendall said, don't overthink it. I'll reconsider everything D2 if I am wrong.

You aren't really re-evaluating. I'm not asking you to engage me in good faith on my scumreads. I'm asking you to engage in good faith on your scumread of me.

And clidd I think that the scum lie in: Lone, BM, Rock.
Eliminate me, you, Trendall, Chumbo, and ben as possibilities, and that's where you wind up. Lavar could be scum but I think it's somewhat less likely.

[Lunar Martian]

at least the SEs being town helps, and Ben being obvtown helps narrow the pool nicely. Should be solvable, but I'm going to do it properly. You may as well consider me a replace-in at this point with how little I've been here.

Sigh...I had to do it. This game would have spiraled out of hand if I hadn't become so proactive. We are definitely looking to solve with PoE D2, with the amount of villagers we have on our hands.

Pedit: So you accept that Jumble was also scummy?

To be honest I never read jumble's posts so I have no idea.

[Lunar Martian]

Lunar Martian, I didn't see you addressing my analysis of your predecessor. I provided a reasoning that pointed to Jumble being scum, consequently, transmitting to you (which is the same slot).

What do you want me to say? That you're wrong? I can't justify the thoughts of my predecessor. All I can say is that my role PM says Vanilla Townie.

Dude, we all know that you're a scumbag.

You were listless most of the game, doing selective reading and occasional comments on specific points.

The only time you entered more than one line was now, that your slot is at E-1.

I didn't read most of the game before I replaced in, but I've read everything since then.

[Lunar Martian]

You aren't really re-evaluating. I'm not asking you to engage me in good faith on my scumreads. I'm asking you to engage in good faith on your scumread of me.

And clidd I think that the scum lie in: Lone, BM, Rock.
Eliminate me, you, Trendall, Chumbo, and ben as possibilities, and that's where you wind up. Lavar could be scum but I think it's somewhat less likely.

How do you want me to engage in good faith on my SR on you?

Well you could re-read with the assumption that I'm town and see if the things I say make sense. Currently you're reading with the assumption that I'm mafia and fitting everything I say to that narrative. You're connecting dots that don't exist, and I can't really defend myself.

You could also state your case on me in explicit terms, something I've asked everyone to do which no one has done.

[Lunar Martian]

Then you still shouldn't be doing selective reading?

What do you even mean by selective reading?