PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Spiffeh]

hey guys let's catch all the scum and have a great time doing it!

[Spiffeh]

I might try hard this game you're all in for a treat

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Double the Trouble

[Spiffeh]

Hi mastina!

[Spiffeh]

Ok you all have until page 10 to interact w/ Flavor Leaf and then after that just ignore him so he can't artificially inflate the post count and make Town apathetic TIA

[Spiffeh]

Ok you all have until page 10 to interact w/ Flavor Leaf and then after that just ignore him so he can't artificially inflate the post count and make Town apathetic TIA

Why do I have to interact with Flavor Leaf?

You don't have to

I'd prefer if you didn't actually because it's a waste of time

[Spiffeh]

Brian Skies is that you?

[Spiffeh]

Do you have any reads so far Brian?

[Spiffeh]

Post 77 pings me as well, and Noraa is also someone I think FL would be likely to pick, and Spiffeh looks better right now

Nothing I have done so far is outside of my scum range so what makes me look better right now?

[Spiffeh]

hi everyone I'm a little drunk rn so it's perfect time to SCUMHUNT

[Spiffeh]

I think Dunn's first post about me was really town and while I was skeptical when he said he felt better about me I think his response to my question about that was really good and not how I expect he'd react as scum

I also think this is nothing like Noraa's scum game in Xenoblade 2 and I doubt FL would pick her as a buddy when she clearly wanted to be town in the signups post anyway

I don't really have any scum reads yet hooray

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Ircher

[Spiffeh]

Ugh now that I'm reading his posts I don't really feel like voting him but for the sake of my ego I'm gonna keep my vote here for a little

[Spiffeh]

that was beautiful

[Spiffeh]

I bet at least one player that has acknowledged Flavor Leaf in a significant way so far this game is scum

I don't feel like rereading the thread to find out who fits the bill rn but if anyone has any suggestions I'm all ears

[Spiffeh]

i'm more of a silver

I’m more of a gold.

why didn't you pick me
you could've coached me and we could've use the wifom of me asking for town in the thread
i set it up for you perfectly

this was pretty bad

I didn't say that lol

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Solstice

[Spiffeh]

That's not why I'm voting them

[Spiffeh]

That's not why I'm voting them

Actually I guess it kinda is?

I don't like the first line of 270 because, if that's really how you feel then what is the point of mentioning it? I feel like scum is more likely to feel self-conscious about not having anything to say and posting something like this, whereas town would just not post until there was something worth saying

And then I think it's interesting that they call Not Known's post "impressively nothing" when half of their ISO are basically nothing posts?

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Solstice

Hello.

~mist

Hi!

What about Not Known's post pinged you? Because I actually thought his entrance to the game was p. town

[Spiffeh]

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oh I think I know who you are now this really helped a lot

[Spiffeh]

I also think I know why you're too CHICKEN to put me on your read lists <3

[Spiffeh]

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oh I think I know who you are now this really helped a lot

ok upon reading more I think I'm wrong ignore me

[Spiffeh]

I think my Solstice vote is p. good and I'm sad that almost everyone is ignoring them except for pichu?

I really didn't like how they say they understand why I suspect them for their position on Not Known. It reads as if they are trying to brush it under the rug and appease me so I don't pressure them further, and their extended engagement w/ pichu feels the same way (although to be fair at least that conversation ended in a read on pichu)

They also bring up a ton of meta/draft speculation about noraa which I think is attractive for scum to seem busy with if they don't really have anything to talk about, and directing this speculation AT noraa specifically makes it seem like they're trying to convince noraa that they are solving the game rather than genuinely trying to ascertain her alignment

@Solstice (Morning_Tweet) how are you reading noraa right now outside of your expectations of the draft?

[Spiffeh]

I also have a ~super secret~ scum read that I will expose when the TIME is RIGHT

(Or never mention again in the event it becomes irrelevant)

[Spiffeh]

Hey Double the Trouble what are your thoughts on Solstice atm?

[Spiffeh]

I realize a lot of people are draft speculating but the way Solstice is approaching noraa about her own meta feels like "noraa look how town I am using your meta to read you!" rather than "this is how I feel about noraa", particularly in this post:

But you attracted early votes which i attributed to your sort of elim baity nature

those were RVS votes.

[You and shelly were like the main wagons for the front half of D1, with Redados taking a resurge after a while]

[Noraa my point is that i think you're elim baity and i also think hydras are elim baity and also there's a ton of WIFOM paranoia people are going to have of you as well with regards to FL picking you. i think there are a lot of reasons for FL to not pick you and instead just have you eliminated later]

~Morning

And I'm scum reading them outside of that so I guess I focused on their draft spec more than others oh well

[Spiffeh]

Alisae can you tell me words about your notsci/Brian scum read?

[Spiffeh]

Oh I'm bad you just said you don't agree with that

(hydra dissonance should be dealt with outside of game thread btw!)

Same question to Norwegianboy then

[Spiffeh]

mastina sorry my scum read and reasons are not to your liking it's how I feel though!

[Spiffeh]

Anyone wanna talk to me about something I have a lot of slots that I feel no type of way about and would like that to change

[Spiffeh]

Anyone wanna talk to me about something I have a lot of slots that I feel no type of way about and would like that to change

Sure.

Talk to me about Battle Mage.

He's one of the ones I feel no type of way about, thought he was p. obvtown in Xenoblade 2 but he's posted four times so far so I don't really care about that yet

Why are you scum reading him?

[Spiffeh]

Ircher reminds me of his DEFCON 4 incarnation which was town, that meta's like four years old now

Ydrisse had that thing w/ pichu which made me laugh but didn't make me think anything in regards to her alignment

[Spiffeh]

This wasn't as helpful as I thought it would be

[Spiffeh]

Alisae why those two in particular?

[Spiffeh]

Netflix and Chill what are your thoughts on Solstice?

[Spiffeh]

mastina at this point I'm at a wait and see with BattleMage

if he's town I think he'll obvtown like he did in Xenoblade 2 and I won't have to think too hard about him

If the rest of his Day 1 maintains the same lack of contribution of his current posts then I will revisit enthusiastically

[Spiffeh]

I mean yeah, Norwee. But given how that went down with you two I was respecting your privacy.

Anyways, @Spiffeh- I don’t have a read because there’s too many goddamn shiny things this game. I know this isn’t the answer you are looking for but it’s the one you’re getting.

Ninja-
I’m not opposed to a BM quick wagon if it keeps this game under 80 pages d1

See I don't think there's ENOUGH shiny things itg

Can you walk me through how you think you're being pocketed by mastina but also willing to quick wagon BattleMage, her biggest scumspect?

[Spiffeh]

I don't think it's out of character for town!mastina to make over-confident reads based on things that don't make the most logical sense. Do you disagree?

I think all your suspicions are a little uninspiring so far tbh except maybe Double the Trouble but it's ok it's early I'll give you a chance to collect yourself and keep moving forward

PEdit: this was @ N&C

[Spiffeh]

I realize that might come across as an insult, that's not my intention, I just feel like you're casting a wide net in terms of scum reads like Ircher, mastina, BattleMage and I disagree w/ almost all of them at this point

[Spiffeh]

I think the best way to deny Flavor Leaf the influence he wants in thread is to both not acknowledge him directly and also not acknowledge the people that ARE acknowledging him directly

[Spiffeh]

Ok I don't like Ydrasse's posting

[Spiffeh]

@Double the Trouble Dunnstral is one of my most confident town reads

[Spiffeh]

Hey mastina I also think Creature has a good shot at being scum do you town read me yet?

[Spiffeh]

I caught scum!Dunnstral (his hydra w/ Maria actually) early in Titus vs. Alisae, all he did there was nitpick and attack things to look like he's scum hunting without drawing conclusions from it, and he'd exclusively post in quote walls and respond to a whole bunch of stuff in one post, whereas here he seems to responding to the game naturally and actually cares about getting reads on people

I also think his entrance post was right in line with how I'd expect him to feel as town after Xenoblade 2. I don't think he'd be brazen enough to come at me out the gate as scum after I caught him so early in Titus vs. Alisae

[Spiffeh]

Noraa can you explain why you're scum reading Dunnstral?

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Creature

In my experience, town!Creature is always actively engaged with the game and has one of the highest post counts in the thread, whereas scum!Creature lurks and constantly plays catch up

Here, I feel like he's phoning it in and his lack of thread presence is likely because he's scum

I was gonna wait longer to see if his posting improved but my vote on Solstice is useless since no one cares about them fsr and a Creature wagon seems to actually have potential to take off

[Spiffeh]

In my experience, town!Creature is always actively engaged with the game

Then you're definitely stuck in 2018

Hmmm I think my most recent game with you was actually 2018... lol

Creature do you have any strong reads?

[Spiffeh]

Whatever I've been able to identify town!Creature very easily in the past and I get none of those vibes here so if my meta's outdated then prove me wrong I guess

[Spiffeh]

If it helps you all can write me off as town and never question it and everything will work out

[Spiffeh]

Alisae have you ever played with Ircher before?

[Spiffeh]

I like wagons and all but Ircher is probably town so we should direct this energy elsewhere like to Creature or Solstice or any of the players I'm not town reading

[Spiffeh]

pichu wanna vote Solstice then?

VOTE: Solstice

[Spiffeh]

so after consulting for a long time with my ace team of mason friends we have come up with this POE-4;

we will eliminate someone from this list today:

Double Trouble
Ircher
Battle Mage
Dunnstral

Pls don't put anyone within 2 votes of being elim'd I'd like to do some final heart-heart talk with the victim first thanks!

So while I ultimately want to get your ok before pushing an elimination through I think it's way too early in the Day, especially the FIRST Day, to limit the elim-pool already. Now anyone outside of this list won't have any genuine reactions to pressure because they know they won't even be on the table anyway

I strongly consider you delay limiting our options at this time

[Spiffeh]

I strongly urge you to consider not limiting our options at this time*

[Spiffeh]

Out of this list of four BattleMage is the one I'd want eliminated the most

Dunnstral and Ircher I would fight against and Double the Trouble I'd need to be thoroughly convinced

[Spiffeh]

I don't think Ircher ever makes the Ydrasse 'case' post if he's scum here

I think he's already established an easy posting style to hide behind, always being in catch up mode, but the fact that he deviated to explain his scum read on Ydrasse makes it seem that solving the game is more of a priority than going unnoticed

[Spiffeh]

Ok you all have until page 10 to interact w/ Flavor Leaf and then after that just ignore him so he can't artificially inflate the post count and make Town apathetic TIA

This looks so bad. Or maybe just TWTBAW

Excuse me this was probably the most helpful post I've made in the game thus far

[Spiffeh]

I don't see what Spiffeh sees regarding Ircher, and have felt nothing townish emanating from Ircher's big quote walls.

I already explained a big reason I'm town reading him but if I'm being honest a huge chunk of it has to do with meta from DEFCON 4.0 like four years ago where he was town and elim-baity and posting in the same way he's posting here

It's probably a little lazy to just write him off as town from it but in a game where I don't have many confident reads it's something

[Spiffeh]

lol

[Spiffeh]

Is everyone having a nice evening?

[Spiffeh]

I love being considered a big name thanks Dunnstral

[Spiffeh]

I don’t do that on D1, I’ll vote here.
VOTE: Ircher

This can die ASAP

[Spiffeh]

What kind of question is that lol

[Spiffeh]

Can people other than Netflix and Chill explain their reasons for scum reading Ircher?

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: BattleMage

Not really scum reading him but this is my most desired elim out of the four provided by Pooky

Townreading Dunnstral and Ircher, don't have a strong read either way on Double the Trouble but gun to my head I'd say they're town too

[Spiffeh]

Spiffy what do you think about the gamestate?
I think the Ircher wagon is mostly clean and I feel like if you took out Pichu and Ydrasse the Double wagon has most of my suspects

What are your thoughts on DEB? Because I think his vote for Ircher is one of the scummiest posts itg

[Spiffeh]

Scummy players on Ircher wagon are Solstice, DEB

Also like three players I feel no type of way about which isn't all that comforting (MURDERCAT, Bell, Toogeloo)

Scummy players on Double wagon: just Ydrasse I guess?

This is in response to Double the Trouble

[Spiffeh]

Uh maybe I'll ISO Toogeloo later I haven't really paid much attention to him

[Spiffeh]

Like the biggest thing that both me and norwee agree on is that town!dunn has no agenda.
But this dunnstral very clearly has an agenda and is trying to push it. ESPECIALLY when all I'm asking for them is to justify their read and they refuse to engage with me.

I just played a game with Dunnstral where he was town and had an agenda

I think you're being a little tunnelly and OMGUS-y here

(which makes me think you're more likely to be town btw)

[Spiffeh]

But it’s lunch time

[Spiffeh]

BattleMage if you were not limited by the PoE pool provided by Pooky who would you want to eliminate and why?

[Spiffeh]

Becoming more and more ok with a BattleMage elim

Not thrilled with his approach to Double Trouble, holding a scum read on them is fine but I feel like his catch up has an ulterior motive of calling Double Trouble scummy at every opportunity for reasons that aren't all that compelling. It's like he went into his catchup with the intention of painting Double Trouble in a scummy light rather than naturally coming to that conclusion as he read.

And it's very CONVENIENT that he chose Double Trouble to do this to because they are apart of the Pooky's PoE and probably the most likely elimination after himself

And in Xenoblade 2 he was effortlessly town and after his latest catchup posts I'm not getting that vibe at all

[Spiffeh]

Hey N&C what makes Double Trouble a more attractive elimination over Ircher for you now?

I think they're most recent content has been p. towny, especially Norwee-head's interactions with BattleMage

[Spiffeh]

Additionally N&C what is your read on BattleMage?

[Spiffeh]

I think Double the Trouble has been incredibly townie ever since being mentioned as part of the PoE elim list by Pooky

Like I expect scum!Alisae in that situation to just kinda freak out and tunnel someone else in that list and act super confident about getting a scum flip so e could brute eir way out of getting elimmed

But I feel like Alisae has kept an extremely level head and has kept sorting people as the priority which makes em more likely to be town

[Spiffeh]

Like yeah the hydra dissonance is irritating but I don't rly think it's scum indicative especially for Alisae

[Spiffeh]

I'm talking in general, I've seen it mentioned by others as a reason to scum read them

[Spiffeh]

Although I agree Alisae has been the scummier of the two heads.

That's not what I said

[Spiffeh]

Alisae has been asking a ton of questions and from my perspective it looks like e's attempting to find town and mind meld reads with them (he's done this with myself and mastina for example)

Alisae also backed off on Dunnstral, one of eir only options to push in order to not die today, after realizing myself and other players eir town reading are confidently town reading Dunny, when I'd expect scum!Alisae to continue pushing there purely to increase eir chance of survival

There's just a lot of avenues Alisae took that are the polar opposite to how I'd expect scum!Alisae to handle the situation eir in currently

[Spiffeh]

N&C are you still scum reading Ircher?

[Spiffeh]

Idk BM you're def not gonna convince me to elim Double Trouble over you today so I'd focus your energy elsewhere

If it makes you feel better I wish this Day wasn't completely revolved around the PoE list of four and we were free to explore and pressure other options

Like I actually had to focus more on trying to save the players I'm town reading over finding scum but I'm not bitter or anything...

[Spiffeh]

Ok that is fair

PEdit: @BattleMage

[Spiffeh]

And yeah it's mostly my fault for focusing on the list of four it's just when it was first announced literally two of my most confident town reads were the top two wagons so I felt obligated to defend them

I think my reads would be greatly benefitted by a reread but we'll see if I get around to that

[Spiffeh]

Dr Easy Bake do you have any reads whatsoever that you can share?

[Spiffeh]

Yeah I’m super likable

[Spiffeh]

Guys I recently started playing League again I’m bad tho

Add me my name is SurvivorSpiff

[Spiffeh]

Also idk where the Solstice votes are coming from but I’m: ok with it

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Solstice

BM's recent posts actually make me feel worse about him so I am more ok with him dying today then ever before! Softing power role (no matter how much he says he didn't) and now claiming VT is scummy and I feel like he's relying on "but why would he do that as scum?!?!?!!?" and people are buying it

But Solstice is scummy too and I will feel extra proud of myself if they flip scum and I LOVE when wagons oscillate so quickly so it's a win-win

[Spiffeh]

I've forgotten why I was town reading Not Known 15

[Spiffeh]

Can we at least let Solstice react to their flash wagon before we bail lol

[Spiffeh]

Hey BM what are your thoughts on Solstice currently?

[Spiffeh]

I did neither

[Spiffeh]

I've already stated that BM is my most desired elim of the four in the PoE and I feel that way now more than ever

I think it'd be cool to have some update from Pooky before locking it in but I don't know if that's something I should be hopeful for

[Spiffeh]

Also don't blame Nacho for defending me anyone reasonable would have done the same I'm just a spectacular scum player

[Spiffeh]

BM what in Solstice's post makes you want to vote them now?

Because just recently gave a pretty noncommittal read on them and now now you want to vote them when they happen to be the next most likely elimination today?

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE:

[Spiffeh]

Please flip scum thx

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Creature

[Spiffeh]

I saw a hint of the Creature I used to know later on in Day 1 but seeing as that didn't continue I think that was just in response to all the pressure he was receiving about his post count

Demotivated Creature = scum!Creature in my experience

I think Solstice's interaction w/ Battle Mage at the end of the Day looks really town so Creature is probably my biggest scum read atm

I have so many null reads though I should start ISOing them

I think I may have written off Toogeloo for literally no reason yesterday

[Spiffeh]

Tbh I wrote off noraa hydra really early because her activity this game doesn't line up at all with how I'd expect her to play as scum and she made it abundantly clear in the sign up thread that she wanted to be town this game and I don't think FL would pick her

Her enthusiasm here is so transparent and after being scum with her in Xenoblade 2 I highly doubt she'd be this active and engaged unless she was town

[Spiffeh]

However I think MC coming into Day 2 with that case looks pretty town on his end, looks like town who really thinks he caught scum

[Spiffeh]

But why do I have so many town reads can you guys be more scummy please

[Spiffeh]

MC please ISO noraa in this game and let me know your thoughts, I think there is a drastic difference in her play in the linked scum game vs. her play here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84949

[Spiffeh]

Bell are you scum reading MC solely for their push on noraa-slot?

[Spiffeh]

Oh I also thought the Gloria-head's posts from Polar Bear Express were super town too

[Spiffeh]

For god's sake man, the BM mislynch could've been pretty preventable had I had the time to prevent it.

kill this now

[Spiffeh]

Creature do you have any strong reads at the moment?

[Spiffeh]

At this point where I don't have many scum reads I'm confident in, yes

None of your content really does it for me without even considering the meta component

town!Creature has always been super obvious to me and I don't think a recent change in your meta should also change THAT?

[Spiffeh]

That was in response to Creature

[Spiffeh]

Ok go I'm not stopping you

PEdit: Can you explain the PBE and Bell scum reads?

[Spiffeh]

hi pichu who are the scum

[Spiffeh]

Creature who are the players in the "circlejerk"?

[Spiffeh]

pichu you can't take a break I've been waiting all this time

[Spiffeh]

I've been swindled

[Spiffeh]

it depends who the case is on

[Spiffeh]

jk I'm gonna read it anyway I'm so excited

[Spiffeh]

ugh I hate when cases have a lot of quotes though

[Spiffeh]

hi Creature bad vote

[Spiffeh]

pichu sorry I think your case is valid and Bell is a solid wagon but I think Creature is far more likely to flip scum so I'm gonna stay there

But competing wagons are really cool so I think in the end we will all be grateful for what has transpired today

[Spiffeh]

Also I'm a little annoyed that people are coming out of the woodwork to say "omg Spiffeh could be a PoE scum" because I already told you guys I was town and to blindly trust me I mean what more can I do

[Spiffeh]

pichu where are you at in terms of your read on Creature?

[Spiffeh]

I don't think I'm voting town rn !

[Spiffeh]

Creature what makes you think that I am more likely to be scum that's wrong rather than town that's wrong?

[Spiffeh]

Because a BoP scum read on me would be understandable on like Day 5 but it's literally Day 2

[Spiffeh]

Creature I was fine with the BM lim because I was hard townreading the other three options given to us by Pooky so the fact that you are assigning blame to me for that mislim makes it look like you're concerned with discrediting my slot rather than genuinely getting a read on me

You also hold mastina as a scum read who just so happen to be the other one hardpushing you today, which I don't think is coincidental

[Spiffeh]

Other than Creature I'm kind of at a loss for who the other scum are?

Bell's not really one I want to consider any further today, I feel like if Bell were scum he would come up with a more useful thing to claim to ensure he survives the day? Especially with Flavor Leaf in his corner

I'm worried I wrote a few players off too early on Day 1 (Dunnstral most notably) and should probably reread but that sounds like a lot rn

[Spiffeh]

Creature if you were to do anything literally remotely town whatsoever I'd be willing to reevaluate

But I don't have a ton of reads south of null right now so you dying is still my highest priority sorry

[Spiffeh]

Ugh stop trying to make me think for myself

[Spiffeh]

Ok yeah Toogeloo might be scum

[Spiffeh]

I am serious it is almost worthy flashwagoning Toogeloo for that post alone

[Spiffeh]

I honestly sound fine in every post

[Spiffeh]

I am interested in finding scum

[Spiffeh]

oooo I feel like we're gonna get some good drama here guys

[Spiffeh]

hey guys how's the scum catching going?

[Spiffeh]

pichu you'll get more accolades if you push a scum lim all on your own without my assistance, I am doing this for YOU

I hope you're right!

[Spiffeh]

sorry to disappoint

[Spiffeh]

hard-leashing vig to dunn-spiff-noraa for possible shots

would be good if you tell us who out of those 3 are like baddies.

this is a horrible idea as I think we're all town!

(Dunn less so)

[Spiffeh]

What is Alisae's read on me right now?

[Spiffeh]

If I am ACTUALLY vigged tonight town deserves to lose lmao

[Spiffeh]

I still think it's unlikely Bell flips scum lol

What does that do to your preflip associatives guys?

[Spiffeh]

Wait

What exactly is Bell claiming and what exactly is DEB claiming?

[Spiffeh]

If Alisae is scum reading me here Double Trouble could be scum after all

If Alisae is advocating a VIG.on me that slot should be flashwagoned immediately upon my flip

Idk if they are because I'm like 30 pages behind but there's no way Alisae sheds eir hard town read on me from Day 1 and advocates a vig on me because of my absence today

[Spiffeh]

catching up from 137, I have been reading random posts but haven't really understood what is going on

aw twins

[Spiffeh]

If Bell is claiming Tracker and DEB is claiming regular old cop then this is PERFECTLY REASONABLE PAIR OF INVESTIGATIVES ESPECIALLY WHEN WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH SCUM POWER THERE IS

I don't know why the fuck DEB would claim here without a guilty unless he is also a Tracker

[Spiffeh]

I do think DEB's counterclaim (even though it's not really a counter claim) is super town though? There's no reason to put yourself out there as scum, especially since it seems like Bell was already going down for anyway?

[Spiffeh]

I explained that above Norwee

[Spiffeh]

Or on the previous page

[Spiffeh]

Wait really lol

[Spiffeh]

There being two detectives is far more unlikely than two different investigative roles

But I guess it's not impossible?

[Spiffeh]

As much as I'm spiteful at everyone scum reading me for "aVoIdInG tHe BeLl WaGoN" even though I have been obviously town throughout the game

Bell is probably scum and should be the vote for today

[Spiffeh]

Like I highly doubt Titus puts the same exact town investigative role itg

[Spiffeh]

Ok I'm gonna spend the rest of the Day catching up and convincing you nooblets that vigging me is a horrendous mistake!

[Spiffeh]

I learned that DEB is literally counterclaiming the same exact role lol

I don't know where I got tracker/cop from

I would have for sure known all of that stuff beforehand if I were scum though!

[Spiffeh]

I think part of my confusion is that I don't even know what a "Detective" is

I thought detective was another term for the general 'investigative' role

[Spiffeh]

don't lol @ me pichu it's true

I don't think I've ever encountered a Detective before

[Spiffeh]

I find it funny that I'm the one getting shit for avoiding acknowledging Bell (which is patently untrue I might add!)

When Creature, the scummiest slot in the game, has been completely absent ever since the heat got off of him

If Creature outlasts me in this game I'm probably gonna take a LONG break from mafia after this

[Spiffeh]

I am not an ok shot please do not lend credence to that terrible idea

Pooky’s vig pool are probably all town so hopefully the big was just a one-shot

[Spiffeh]

Because I'm dumb

I have also never visited the wiki in my entire time on this site

[Spiffeh]

Would you like to denounce the vig shot on me now?

I think it would go a long way in helping town not throw the game!

[Spiffeh]

I think noraa is ridiculously obviously town so I guess Dunnstral but I am not even scum reading him at this point

I think Creature should absolutely be the vig shot, maybe Toogeloo should be under consideration too?

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If Alisae does not actively start denouncing the vig shot on me SOON please strongly consider DT as scum after I flip

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I think there's already some scum avoiding my radar

Alisae was HARD townreading me on Day 1 and I don't buy that it could evaporate to the extent of allowing me to be a vig target based on my play today

If I had seen a progression on my read from em, trying to engage me in my absence, etc. I wouldn't feel as bad about eir silence here

It's not certain, I just REALLY think Alisae should be prioritizing saving me if e is townreading me to the extent e claimed to be yesterday

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I have already, ISO me

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This is a soul read on noraa

She is probably my most confident town read other than MAYBE pichu

[Spiffeh]

If it helps I believe that you believe that

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Toog can you go into detail about your mastina scum read?

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I feel like scum!mastina is more likely to lurk this Day out given her hard push on BM yesterday

And the Bell-DEB fiasco is a get out of jail free card for her

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I thought I saw high volume posting from her this Day but maybe not I still have to catch up on the last 20 pages

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I already stated at that time I thought he was claiming a generic investigative role

I thought Flavor Leaf would already have ironed out fake claims and claiming generic investigative role didn't line up with that

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I see what you're trying to do here PICHU

[Spiffeh]

No

You need to explicitly state that I am a terrible vig target so I am not tragically murdered tonight

Then maybe I'll forgive you

[Spiffeh]

Creature where do you stand on the Bell-DEB situation?

[Spiffeh]

Please send Alisae to the thread

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K, I'm detective.
N1 I investigated Toog who killed no one.
Good job everyone.
Good job.

I ISO'd Bell to try to figure out the claim fiasco

I interpreted "who killed no one" as in "wasn't tracked to the kill"

Which was clearly wrong of me

But that's why I thought he was tracker

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thanks pichu you have done a good thing today

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lol

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They’re not

What reads do you think are garbage?

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I’m also interested in when you decided my reads were garbage because you put a lot of stock in them yesterday

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I don’t know
Pooky bad

Probably some combination of Pooky/masons not viewing me as obvious town, they feel that I’m probably a priority choice for FL as scum, and would be a difficult player to get people to lim in the Day phase

I wouldn’t know unfortunately because the reasons have not been presented

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And that reasoning is understandable if I’m alive like Day 4/5 and have given no day play reasons to be viewed as town

But going into Night 2 I feel that having me as a vig candidate without even an attempt at an explanation is irresponsible

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If Creature's town I will reevaluate

I think Creature has a phenomenal shot at flipping scum

If you disagree than you can explain why, but I'm not going to let go of one of the few scum reads I feel decently about on the off chance that they could be a mason (which I doubt btw)

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Alisae town reading me to the point of basing entire reads around what I thought on Day 1 and now completely backtracking without explanation and supporting me as a vig target should be very alarming to everyone itg and blanket town reads on that slot will no longer be tolerated

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What made you think I was a mason?

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Well it wasn't, and I actually struggle to see how you could feel that way about it

I actually debated not posting that because I thought it would make it too obvious that I wasn't a mason lol

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hi Pooky

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wow mastina I didn't realize the only thing I had to do to get you to town read me was to stop trying

[Spiffeh]

I am town therefore all of my reactions are real tyvm

[Spiffeh]

Pooky I will vote for Dr Easy Bake if you take myself and noraa hydra out of the vig pool and replace them with Creature and another player of your choosing

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Sure but I’m trying to maximize the vig’s opportunity at actually hitting scum and your current pool doesn’t do that

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I am so confused on the Bell/DEB situation can we just kill both of them somehow

[Spiffeh]

But also can we kill Creature

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I am VT

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Sorry, clearly my reads have been awful and understand the immense amount of suspicion on me but I really think your lim order is atrocious lol

At least I don't have to try anymore

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Because myself and Polar Bears seem to be some of your most desired targets and I'm town and Polar Bears is the most obvtown player in the game

Toogeloo, Ydrasse, maybe Dunn? Are where I'd look next for scum

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Creature and DT being masons really threw me for a loop lol

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mastina's town, and pretty sure Solstice is town

[Spiffeh]

@Ydrasse do you have any strong reads you'd like to share?

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maybe we're all VT's and we already won!

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If I'm interpreting the function of supersaint correctly there's no way Solstice claims like that as town