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What makes you think it was a serious vote?
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Sacrilege! don't mess with k-pop broIn post 36, Not_Mafia wrote:You could spend the time to find a better avatar
I was scum partner with Johnny on our last game and I can say that his behavior is so far very different but not sure if that's AI considering he knows I'm in this game.In post 39, unwnd wrote:If anyone is familiar with Johnny they should tell me if his behavior is indicative of anything
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So far, I like unwd and shelly's posts seems like they are trying to solve.
Johnny is more aggressive and lurks much more in his scum game, so leaning town.
THISIn post 83, Dunnstral wrote:So this is how shelly plays as town
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This sentence implies prior knowledge that Shelly is in fact town. I simply caught what I thought is a slip and voted you, I didn't bring up more reasons.In post 83, Dunnstral wrote:So this is how shelly plays as town
This is bs. There is no read or strength attribution, you simply commented on your realization of how Shelly plays as town. Please show me how is that expressing town read?In post 100, Dunnstral wrote:That's attributing a strength to my read that I haven't expressedJustice will prevail
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This isn't how he's acting at all and it's weird how you're defending him with it.In post 104, unwnd wrote:Pointedly self-assured and unwilling to compromise for his own ideals
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There is a real fine line between making implied reads and subconsciously blurting out prior knowledge.In post 134, Dunnstral wrote:83 is an implied read, I'm not sure how you see it as a slip insteadJustice will prevail
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No not really, still think unwnd's earlier postings were pretty town and I just wanted him to expand on his defenseIn post 146, shellyc wrote:unwnd and nopoint: what do you think of each other?
nopoint, despite you thinking unwnd's early posting as townie, has unwnd's passionate defense of dunn changed your mind?
can you explain more on this? Specifically what you mean by prior thoughts, original argument and who's my attacker?In post 149, unwnd wrote:I think right now I have suspension of disbelief with some of the arguments being said. You have a lot of them seeped into essentially good faith (just trust me bro vibes) but that seems pretty par for the course early on. I find Dunn null despite my defense of him, and maybe tilted my head just a little bit when he made p#105. The problem with nopoint I have is that he is arguing with the same process he is. It reads to me like a potential scum who didn't have prior thoughts so they just defaulted to turning the original argument against his attacker
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I wasn't even that aggressive really, just reading into something that apparently no one seems to see. It's like when you get mad pings and you didn't realize what was going on until you look closely into it. I also did give dunn a chance to explain and tried to understand his perspective so it's rather unfair here to say I didn't care about his defense.In post 155, shellyc wrote:yes its understandable
so you think nopoint isn't convinced about what he's putting forward and therefore is not from an uninformed pov
can you quote specific posts that lead you to this impression because i don't think acting in a consistent way is indicative of not being convinced?
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Yo I'm town this time. If you are too then the K-pop bois gotta stick togethaIn post 161, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
Nopo started the game with a levity that was uncharacteristic of last time I saw him (scum) but then dove in on dunn in a way that I didn't love.
Keeping a fos on dunn but would like to see where this goes.In post 228, Flavor Leaf wrote:You know what's actually scummier than my self vote.
UNVOTE: Flavor Leaf
A Self Unvote.
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Johny was much more lurky, snarky and identified more people as scum-reads in the other game. He replaced in though so I'm not sure if that played a role but for now I have a good town-lean.In post 248, Andresvmb wrote: I didn’t see anybody ask you, so I’ll do it: what differences do you see between Johnny’s game when you played with them as Scum and this game?
I'm posting this at 3 pm cuz I didn't want to get forced replaced. I should have VLA-edIn post 270, Dunnstral wrote:I mean, I appreciated it
Right now I think both nopoint and Flavor are suspicious, I was waiting to see what else nopoint had to say but they seem to have vacated the thread which looks kind of scummy hereJustice will prevail
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I want everyone's opinion on FL's self-vote into unvote here. FL looks like a god-tier scum player by his profile so there's no reason to ignore something like this. If he is scum, there should be heat on him at some point and I wanna be the one who catches top dawg scum
My opinion is that I initially liked this plan here, it was very creative
However, FL was triggered into abandoning it by unvoting with only 1 or 2 people giving thoughts. Allowing for only a small window makes the whole planning thing seems disingenuous.In post 215, Flavor Leaf wrote:Scum either have to make the decision to try and push me, hoping they can have a use for it, if only to discredit me, or scum can avoid adding fuel to this fire, and stay off, and let town do what they may.
So I'm trying to see what happens.
My bet is scum won't have a plan for it, and if picks up, they'll help a bit, but if it doesn't, they'll move somewhere else.
I'm seeing what type of scum team this game has.Justice will prevail
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unwnd is town, at least that's what I'm willing to bet on for now since with the spontaneous way he is speaking he will get found out soon if he was scum.
Johnny is looking worse so I'm going to have to take back that alliance request. I find the way johnny plays as scum is lurking and opportunism and I got a sense of it in his recent posts.
shelly is looking like she's trying to solve, but the way that she's doing it seems odd and commentary-ish. also, shelly I would like you to explain your Andres read.
I like fuzzy and vibing with a lot of what he's sayingJustice will prevail
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Also Plus is town-lean for the upper posts and because of this
just want to point out that she did exactly the same thing as town in k-pop mafiaIn post 10, PlusJOYED wrote:
locktownIn post 4, Hank Spankems wrote:Hey hey people, Sseth here
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Yeah that makes sense. I can kinda see now how that could be read as just stating a town-read.In post 370, Andresvmb wrote:
Real Scum slips in my experience are rare. Like obvious mistakes that truly reveal that you’re Scum just don’t happen all that often. Scum tend to be careful. If anything, what appear to be mistakes made by Scum can be simply differences in style or communication. We just came out of a game where a Town player was thought of being Scum for referring to themselves in the third person (and being coached into a post).In post 303, nopointinactingup wrote:I believed it then but no one else sees it so idk, they can’t all be scum
I think the evidence for a slip needs to be overwhelming, or the slip really obvious. Otherwise, it’s just not that.
I've had a town-vibe on unwnd since his beginning posts and he sounds like he's engaged in figuring out the game. It's really hard to top-post as scum without posting fluff imo.In post 374, Andresvmb wrote:
Why are so happy to defend unwnd here? It can’t be that speaking in a spontaneous way is all you have to hang your hat on.In post 363, nopointinactingup wrote:unwnd is town, at least that's what I'm willing to bet on for now since with the spontaneous way he is speaking he will get found out soon if he was scum.
Johnny is looking worse so I'm going to have to take back that alliance request. I find the way johnny plays as scum is lurking and opportunism and I got a sense of it in his recent posts.
shelly is looking like she's trying to solve, but the way that she's doing it seems odd and commentary-ish. also, shelly I would like you to explain your Andres read.
I like fuzzy and vibing with a lot of what he's sayingJustice will prevail
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Who has FL played with in this thread? A premise for this strategy is that he needed to have played with most or all players on the thread. If he was openwolfing against a thread with people who don't know him then they are likely to lynch him anyway.In post 368, unwnd wrote:It's MU speak, another site where mafia is played. I've done a few treks to other mafia sites and have quite the collection of knowledge. Wolf is basically Scum to them, as Village is Townie. When you're openwolfing you're doing things that are blatantly scum but you don't care because nobody will punish you for it or you've been caughtJustice will prevail
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So what you are saying is that FL plans everything as scum and he doesn't seem to be doing things that are long-term strategies like pocketing and projecting towniness, so you're not confident he is scum yet? IMO, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, I'm saying FL could have made the vote on himself as town or scum based on his arrogant nature, but then he justified it and knee-jerk pulled the vote back. That makes it slightly more likely to come from scum. Let's talk about another fact, why was he waiting specifically for the "second" vote on him? Though I could possibly see why the first vote would look townish, I don't see what distinguishes the second, third, fourth vote.In post 385, Andresvmb wrote: Could Flavor’s self-vote “plan” have been disingenuous - an obvious attempt at making themselves look Scummy so that they can explain away their survival later in the game, without attracting too many votes? Yes, maybe. Flavor doesn’t seem that keen on giving out reads or establishing themselves in this game, so that’s not a positive sign. It’s also a marked departure from how they’ve played Scum the last few times we’ve faced each other though, and that in a way also makes sense (it would be easy for me or others to spot I think).
Where I’m struggling is when I try to make sense of it from a strategic perspective. Flavor seems fine under pressure as Scum, but he knows that he needs allies, or Town players that are in a position to make errors. The easiest way to get significant errors is by pocketing players, or at least have others actually think you’re Town. He doesn’t seem particularly focused on even projecting Towniness here, openly admitting to not trying hard, and inviting votes. Not the most viable Scum strategy long-term is it? The other side of it is that he’s buying time, but Flavor doesn’t like to sit on the sidelines for too long. If he continues to drag his feet for too long execute him. Otherwise, I think there’s better places to look for now.
In post 409, Flavor Leaf wrote:- If I recall correctly, they're the other one who pushed Dunn, so it's interesting they're both voting me now. Nopoint made the second vote, the one I was baiting, so this has a high chance of being caught scum for that reason alone.nopointinactingup
- Dunnstral brushed and deflected early game reads and looks to both try and pocket Shelly by hard town reading them, and also rescinded when speaking to another player, this was to Nopoint even.Dunnstral
In conclusion, vote Dunnstral, my theory is Nopoint/Dunnstral team, probably with one of my higher town reads.
I asked you already but why second? Is that the only reason why you think of me as scum based on a random number?
In post 477, shellyc wrote:nopoint seems lurky which is what happened in 2174
I would like to hear from johnny on nopoint with johnny being nopoints scumpartner in that game
Shelly, so instead of reading and meta-ing me yourself you went and asked Johnny? Seems a bit theatrical. And one thing I have to add, there's no use in meta-ing someone if you only read their scum game. For example, you keep saying I'm lurking but if you read any of my town games (from waaaaaaaay before) you will see that I have similar post frequency regardless of alignment because I like to read a whole bunch of stuff in succession it helps me keep track of what's happening in townIn post 484, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
Uh they're a good scum player. Not too controlling, more capable of disappearing into the town than me. Not unlike here honestlyIn post 477, shellyc wrote:nopoint seems lurky which is what happened in 2174
I would like to hear from johnny on nopoint with johnny being nopoints scumpartner in that game
I actually think this laissez faire read list is kinda town. Johnny-scum would be tangential here.In post 488, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Main 3 (Nopoint notmaf Hank) with flavor and you as distraction or potential scum if i'm wrong about one in main 3
All these close to naked votes on FL as he's about to show effort makes me think he's town unless I'm missing something and effort-FL is a scum thing. FL's wagon actually was pretty productive there's gotta be some scum material here. Dunn's vote is pretty scummy and I already have a scum-read on him so I have no qualm about joining his wagon.
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Actually the more I think about it, the more I think Shelly is scum. I’ve had this weird feeling since the beginning of the game that her posts are commentary-ish and pupet-mastering and then her post #477 was just downright manipulative. Shelly knows johnny’s only game with me is when I’m scum so she’s letting Johny think about me in that game. If you’re reading two games from someone you’re bound to find similarities regardless of alignment and her under the table push will cause town to scum-read one another. Scum ultimately benefits from having paranoid townJustice will prevail
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It’s not an omgus when I already have a scum read on her. And shelly not responding to my argument makes me think she felt caught.
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What is the rule of 3?In post 612, Titus wrote:Kinda tempted to vote Dunn to test shellyc and the rule of 3. I would but the rule of 3 still permits shelly NM.
Shelly shading three people on the FL wagon is not a good look, particularly when she makes no effort to sort us.
Shelly Flavor Dunn would be interesting but too spot on the nose.Justice will prevail
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Not maf is kinda a PL at this point, what are your thoughts on shelly or dun?
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I'm liking this shelly wagon, her blatant shading/ignoring points against her is scummy.
FL trying to tie Dunn to Titus here near the end of the day looks pretty scummy too, I wouldn't rule out FL-dunn bussing team.In post 648, Flavor Leaf wrote:Titus and Dunn are clearly scum here.Justice will prevail
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The reason I thought you might be town before is the fact that a whole bunch of people including dunn naked jumped your wagon. But now I wouldn't put you past a bussing scheme.In post 651, Flavor Leaf wrote:I already brought that up earlier.
I really don't understand the FL-Dunn comments, but if people think we're tied together, fine, let's kill Dunn.
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A Hank lynch would accomplish nothing since he has zero interaction with the game.In post 656, unwnd wrote:Is the only reason it didn't gain traction is because it seemingly was easy? Like, that's the only thought I can have.Justice will prevail
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I kinda agree here. Feels like the stalling could be because the prominent wagons are not on scum, but I'd rather go with a Shelly lynchIn post 662, unwnd wrote:
Right now I think the disposition we're in after stepping back is that scum simply has nothing to do, therefore I think the chance is thereIn post 658, nopointinactingup wrote:
A Hank lynch would accomplish nothing since he has zero interaction with the game.In post 656, unwnd wrote:Is the only reason it didn't gain traction is because it seemingly was easy? Like, that's the only thought I can have.Justice will prevail
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Plus, do you suspect me for starting a Shelly wagon yesterday? If so consider this, yesterday’s biggest wagons were dunn and not_mafia, who are likely town right now. Why would Scum me try for a NL instead of eliminating people who suspect me? You know I play better than that as scum from last game, where I always got a townie lynchedJustice will prevail
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