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Titus · Post Post #2336 (isolation #0) » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:40 am

Hi there. I'm the new DK. I'll be looking through the votes. While my typical VCA won't work, there should still be data.

Titus · Post Post #2342 (isolation #1) » Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:11 pm

In post 2337, notscience wrote:Would you loook and describe any interactions your predecessors had wrt Lilith in your pt real fast?

He sounded rather rushed to get rid of lilith overall. He commented briefly about her lack of activity and not listening to his reads. He didn't use the PT much, so I am extrapolating a bit from the posts he did make.

Titus · Post Post #2344 (isolation #2) » Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:15 pm

In post 2343, VP Baltar wrote:Did he ask Starbuck to get involved?

DK is Starbuck?

Titus · Post Post #2345 (isolation #3) » Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:16 pm

Oh wait you meant Agar asking Starbuck

Titus · Post Post #2346 (isolation #4) » Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:16 pm

Titus · Post Post #2347 (isolation #5) » Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:22 pm

In post 2325, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:lilith and bulge can both be scum and that's why neither of them seem to care very much

In post 2326, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:or they could both be town and that's why nobody cares very much

i dunno this game state is kinda funky.

I would be surprised if one of them wasn't town given the staticness. If both were scum, I would expect scum to pick one to die by the VCs unless they thought they could pull a notty elimination.

Titus · Post Post #2349 (isolation #6) » Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:45 pm

In post 2348, notscience wrote:You think it’s an all town pool?

Not sure let but I lean T v S in lilith bulge with you as an unknown

Titus · Post Post #2351 (isolation #7) » Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:22 pm

In post 2350, notscience wrote:Do you want to interact with me or read me from rereading

Interact with you after I get a sense of the gamestate from others. I don't usually read on sub-in. Everytime I do, it turns out to be a big waste of time unless a specific question is asked.

Titus · Post Post #2353 (isolation #8) » Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:02 am

Wow, this game is dead.

Titus · Post Post #2355 (isolation #9) » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:01 am

I get voting to move the game along from your perspective but I would be stuck with nothing besides lilith supertown or superscum based on this flip. I would like to have more to go on.

At this point, both sides are likely lurking. Even if I suppose you and notty are town, that's an awful lot of silent town.

Titus · Post Post #2356 (isolation #10) » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:04 am

If Bulge flips scum, I don't ever see myself voting for lilith based on PT interactions and wagon composition.

If Bulge flips town, the resistance from the wagon most likely is scum driven which makes lilith more likely scum and the interaction a distancing ploy.

Titus · Post Post #2359 (isolation #11) » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:51 am

It's possible but if Bulge flips scum, it's just too many coincidences. Being counterwagoned to scum and Agar pushing for it.

That being said, I don't rule out lilith scum but they aren't scum together.

Titus · Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:08 am

In post 2360, lilith2013 wrote:hi Titus!

In post 2356, Titus wrote:If Bulge flips town, the resistance from the wagon most likely is scum driven
what does this mean? wouldn't a wagon on town be easier to push through than one on scum?

Poor language. If Bulge flips town, scum would likely be resisting voting for you.

Titus · Post Post #2366 (isolation #13) » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:45 pm

In post 2363, notscience wrote:What wagon composition tells you it can’t be scum scum?

The fact lilith2013 would have to be wagoned against scum twice with scum pushing against her twice.

Titus · Post Post #2397 (isolation #14) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:51 pm

I kinda just want a flip too.

Titus · Post Post #2401 (isolation #15) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:20 pm

Just pick one. I favor Bulge but I'll hammer either.

Titus · Post Post #2452 (isolation #16) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:40 pm

Tomorrow morning, I'll actually do a proper VCA.

I'll be looking to see if my theory that all vp, notty, and bulge are town actually holds water or if I get some weird edge cases.

Titus · Post Post #2459 (isolation #17) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:49 am

In post 2456, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like if im scum with lilith and bulge is town me/lilith just vote him there and go to lylo tomm

Even if this was a thing that could happen, it would just make you both incredibly obvious scum if you acted quickly like you propose.

Titus · Post Post #2462 (isolation #18) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:56 am

In post 2347, Titus wrote:
In post 2325, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:lilith and bulge can both be scum and that's why neither of them seem to care very much

In post 2326, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:or they could both be town and that's why nobody cares very much

i dunno this game state is kinda funky.
I would be surprised if one of them wasn't town given the staticness. If both were scum, I would expect scum to pick one to die by the VCs unless they thought they could pull a notty elimination.

Titus · Post Post #2463 (isolation #19) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:58 am

Bulge is likely town. My VCA suggests it's you and UT. UT pushed to save Gamma D1 to either a) chain lynches or b) have Gamma around to push further miseliminations.

Titus · Post Post #2467 (isolation #20) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:27 am

Why wouldn't lilith cross the minute she knew notty wasn't going to happen if bulge was scum too? It's a move that makes no sense as either alignment unless she just gave up and accepted death.

Titus · Post Post #2468 (isolation #21) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:28 am

Like it makes no sense in a lilith bulge scum world that they didn't just selfhammer lilith like they did before with Agar.

Titus · Post Post #2556 (isolation #22) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:52 pm

Here's the problem I see. Scum isn't going to challenge each other. Pooky isn't going to challenge UT or Reck.

They have to feel out which of me/Bulge is more mislimmable. VP and Notty aren't getting eliminated today, if ever.

UT and Reck scum have a vested interest in protecting each other in T v S because if the T in that pool gets suspected, they would get challenged where the momentum could shift.

Whichever is scum in that pool would never challenge their partner Pooky.

It leads to the 3 person circle jerk we're seeing.

We just need to get through to the townie in UT/Reck to challenge Pooky. If that happens, town almost certainly wins.

Titus · Post Post #2558 (isolation #23) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:57 pm

In post 2557, xRECKONERx wrote:are you saying me/ut is t/s

Most likely, yes. That's my working theory.

Titus · Post Post #2574 (isolation #24) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:51 am

In post 2566, VP Baltar wrote:Forcing all the scum into the pool is obviously optimal. You'll definitely be dead if we go again, but I'd rather see you and your buddy ratfuck each other and laugh.

This is precisely why I am holding off challenging. If the town in UT/Reck challenges Pooky we just win.

Titus · Post Post #2601 (isolation #25) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:41 am

In post 2575, Untrod Tripod wrote:
In post 2574, Titus wrote:
In post 2566, VP Baltar wrote:Forcing all the scum into the pool is obviously optimal. You'll definitely be dead if we go again, but I'd rather see you and your buddy ratfuck each other and laugh.
This is precisely why I am holding off challenging. If the town in UT/Reck challenges Pooky we just win.
How does that work

Simple.

We don't lim the townie that does the challenge. Free scumflip.

Titus · Post Post #2602 (isolation #26) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:42 am

Then, we know who the final scum is and we challenge and lim them.

GG no RE.

Titus · Post Post #2613 (isolation #27) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:51 am

In post 2612, VP Baltar wrote:Titus and pooky, where you at?

I'm gone more on weekends. I'll catch up but my optimal course of action is pretty set.

Titus · Post Post #2614 (isolation #28) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:54 am

In post 2604, Untrod Tripod wrote:also, Titus, you think that the last two scum are within me/reck/pooky?

Yes and I would vote Pooky in that scenario. It allows you both in one challenge that way in case my read is wrong, others can talk about it. It's a minor thing as it should be gg if we can reach through to one town but it limits the what if it's a bus problem.

Titus · Post Post #2615 (isolation #29) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:54 am

I doubt it would be a bus though.

Titus · Post Post #2620 (isolation #30) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:16 am

VOTE: Pooky

Taking the dive to protect your partner. How admirable. You still lose though unless I am extremely wrong somewhere.

Titus · Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:49 am

In post 2625, Untrod Tripod wrote:I'm feeling frisky, I think I'll color in some votecounts and see what they say to me

Go ahead. If you're the town, you should see I am too by the votes.

If I am right, you know Pooky has to challenge me. He's not getting a notty yeet (no one suspects them). He's not likely getting a VP yeet. He can't challenge you. I'm left over by PoE.

He floated and fought with VP before seeing it wouldn't take.

Titus · Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:09 pm

In post 2627, VP Baltar wrote:I iso'ed Starbuck/Koba again.

I go back and forth on this slot. Starbuck was soft defending AGar, and Koba chainsaws like hell for lilith. It's a bit weird that scum!Koba would offer up the PT stuff if they knew lilith was scum.

That being said, it's also slightly weird that AGar would be telling town!Starbuck to attack his scum buddy knowing that if lilith were to flip at that time, it would have given Starbuck town cred. Of course, it would have also given AGar town cred I suppose.

I'm trying to determine if I as scum would be defending my buddy as hard as Koba did at that point. Scum were sitting pretty comfortable in the game at that point, so it's possible. It's always a very risky play though given you end up building a house of cards.

Titus, I'm curious why you think the vote counts make you obv town?

VCA always starts from the process that the person doing the VCA is town. So I can't answer that exactly beyond I have faith in the process being accurate. Of course there's always the possibility of scum!UT or town!UT fucking up the process but I believe in VCA that strongly that my results should be replicable.

Titus · Post Post #2633 (isolation #33) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:03 pm

In post 2632, VP Baltar wrote:@titus- But you should be able to say why you think from an outside perspective people should see you as town, yes?

I can but that's utter garbage but since you insist brb

Titus · Post Post #2634 (isolation #34) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:08 pm

If you look at Starbuck, they made a move D1 before real life forced them out. DKKoba has done the same thing without reservation when they were in my slot.

They pushed Pooky when the other two choices were you and Gamma. No one listened to them because scum were in control.

Titus · Post Post #2636 (isolation #35) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:01 pm

In post 2635, VP Baltar wrote:What Starbuck move are you referring to?

Propelling the Noraa wagon.

Titus · Post Post #2640 (isolation #36) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:14 am

Vla today

Titus · Post Post #2643 (isolation #37) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:45 pm

In post 2642, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 2634, Titus wrote:They pushed Pooky when the other two choices were you and Gamma. No one listened to them because scum were in control.
this *feels* like TMI somehow

Then help me bus Pooky and argue I am the last scum later.

Titus · Post Post #2646 (isolation #38) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:57 pm

In post 2645, xRECKONERx wrote:but it could be you and vpb titus

Why do you say that? Vp has largely been and felt town since I came in. Is there any particular reason to think he's scum?

Titus · Post Post #2650 (isolation #39) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:27 am

In post 2647, xRECKONERx wrote:he hard defended agar and the random decision to flip the wagon onto lillith could've been a bus attempt to try and ride towncred into endgame

I find the decision to hard defend scum that is going down anyway usually comes from a townbeard rather than scum. If VP was going to bus, it makes more sense to bus the slot going down rather than the one that might survive and had a strong VCA argument, particularly with me arriving.

Titus · Post Post #2661 (isolation #40) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:04 am

In post 2463, Titus wrote:Bulge is likely town. My VCA suggests it's you and UT. UT pushed to save Gamma D1 to either a) chain lynches or b) have Gamma around to push further miseliminations.

Titus · Post Post #2662 (isolation #41) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:07 am

Just because Pooky!scum doesn't like the result, doesn't mean I never did it.

Titus · Post Post #2665 (isolation #42) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:26 am

In post 2664, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like where do you think this even goes titus?

you yeet me

i flip green? how do you and bulge survive the next day? lolol

You don't flip green. You also moved the goalposts. You never had a problem with the "lack of work" showing with my VCA before. You had a problem with the conclusion. The work is evident in the post and the previous and post discussions.

Bulge is town because counterwagons.
Notty and VP aren't scum here.
UT tried to rescue Gamma.
You consistently assist in pushing town.

Titus · Post Post #2669 (isolation #43) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:49 am

Push town bus elsewhere is a thing. Here you're out of options though.

Titus · Post Post #2670 (isolation #44) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:50 am

I know you're pushing town because I know Bulge and I are town.

Titus · Post Post #2671 (isolation #45) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:50 am

That factors into VCA.

Titus · Post Post #2680 (isolation #46) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:01 am

In post 2679, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2677, xRECKONERx wrote:i literally don't care who goes first, what are YOU waiting for
I'm figuring out how the scum are and then voting. Don't see the need to rush, especially with notsci sidelined a bit.

+1, I'd rather have everyone on board with Pooky scum so whichever of UT/Reck is the other scum will be a no brainer flip. If it's not a consensus flip, things will continue to drag.

Titus · Post Post #2681 (isolation #47) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:02 am

Also, VCA factors in what I know. I know I am town. I am pretty damn sure bulge is.

Titus · Post Post #2683 (isolation #48) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:21 am

In post 2682, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 2680, Titus wrote:+1, I'd rather have everyone on board with Pooky scum so whichever of UT/Reck is the other scum will be a no brainer flip. If it's not a consensus flip, things will continue to drag.
except it's neither of us so... *shrug*

That's the problem. Scum!you and stubborn!town you would say the same thing.

Titus · Post Post #2811 (isolation #49) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:19 pm

Fwiw, I did do the VCA. Everything else Pooky said was pretty right though.

Titus · Post Post #2812 (isolation #50) » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:19 pm

Gg everyone