Mini Theme 2182 - Legends of the Hidden Temple III - Over!

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Here for a good time not for a long time.

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(do I tell them)

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Noraa, just read the OP

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I read the OP.

my question is why tf would u challenge someone on page one and also did vp even challenge anyone? I don't see the bolded text?

To the first question, for the lulz
No to the second

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hello there

General Kenobi

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Mine

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UT, is Reck scum?

Good question.

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AHAHAHAHAHA THE FUCKING IGUANAS

What about us

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I’m here to kick gum and chew ass

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And I’m all out of ass

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VOTE: noraa
Counterwagon!

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Okay.

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Okay I think I legit TR Pooky

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He challenged you
Not exactly cowardly

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Vote her with me pooky

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Yeet me daddy

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Pooky's play doesn't make sense as scum play. It's very antitown play imo but regardless, probs not scum.

Good read tbh
VOTE: VPB

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VOTE: pooky

You're either scum or a gigantic liability

Noraa this might as well be a scum claim.

Yea
“Scum or liability” is the lazy/bad way to read Pooky

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Boring
PTs should be used for shitposting

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Cakez is scum

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If you have anything relevant to say Say it in public. FULL TRANSPARENCY.

That’s the plan
But don’t tell me I can’t have fun with you in the PT
Iguana play pen yay!

[Gamma Emerald]

Lim Cakez after I die pls

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Lim Cakez after I die pls

flip red and ur wish will be granted.

>:/
FYI I think this could be an all-town exe pool
So I just don’t wanna lim the super obvtown (Pooky and Noraa)

[Gamma Emerald]

Has anyone played previous iterations of Hidden Temple?

yes UT and i won the last one as scum with Alisae

Okay don’t forget me, I was there too

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[Pooky] lean scum on gamma for not stopping you from challenging.

Literally not what he said

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i dunno

maybe

he didnt try to stop me from challenging right away

implies he does not have a FEARFUL heart.

OR HE KNOWS ME WELL ENOUGH THAT HE COULDNT HAVE STOPPED ME ANYWAY

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After this challenge ends someone should challenge the Red Jaguars
I think they’re both scum

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Cakez+lilith

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If I’m right about both Jaguars being scum bulge + notsci are probably both town

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I need Starbuck/AGar to post more so I can read them

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She has one post, kinda sideline cheering a page one challenge
My gut tells me she is excited for a 4 town showdown

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After this challenge ends someone should challenge the Red Jaguars
I think they’re both scum

How are you coming to that conclusion?

Cakez Noraa read is bad
Lilith feels like she’s promoting TTvTT conflict

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If I were OMGUSing Noraa would be scum in my reads

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Ik who ballad is

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Okay but that’s direct initiation
Lilith is like an announcer for a WWE fight, she not in the ring getting bloody

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Bulge looks town independently

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I’m not 100% on it but I think it’s got potential

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Ain’t taken a shit in 3 days but that don’t make me scum!

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That was me
And do tell me what I’m on because I sure as heck don’t know!

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you think I operate within the same bounds as you?
I have access to powerful majjyks that allow me to read the unreadable
The secrets of the cue ball are mine to perceive.

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Reck I’m placing my faith in you
Don’t be scum for 3 games in a row

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Iirc my last 2 games with you were hidden speezy and MafiaSunny
You were scum in both

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Yeah besides games where one of us replaced out, those are the last 2
And including games where one of us replaced out you’re 3/4 on being scum in them (you were scum in Gin’s Joint Pick4U and town in Alisae vs. Pine)

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“Scum or liability” is the lazy/bad way to read Pooky

What is the correct take on it?

Pooky can be and is a decent town player, he even got N1ed the first time I played with town!him
My method of reading him boils down to, in simple terms: if he looks like he knows what he’s doing, he’s scum, if he doesn’t he’s town

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Bet you’re thinking I’m running low on stuff to post. Think again...

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I AM AN ENDLESS BARREL OF CONTENT!

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I mean the challenge was a bad idea imo
But I don’t think that equates to being unable to read anyone today.

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Her Pooky read was good, felt natural, and I just get Good Vibes^TM from her

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Gone for 8 hours and only 3 posts crop up
What’s that about spam making this game unreadable?

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Gamma, if you think the current elim pool may be all town, why didn’t you try to stop pooky from challenging?

Didn’t have the means to discern that until post-challenge

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Also, pretty much never seen a Pooky town game where the best words to describe him are “logical” and “reasonable”. Those words are ones I’d reserve for scum!Pooky.
You’re welcome to counter this.

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The townblock is a scary thing to those not willing or ready.
Kill me or not, whatever you do, keep Pooky and Noraa alive.

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Eh I don't really use hydra games for meta as strongly as games on main. Probably for the best, because I know that impacts mood and will to post, from personal experience.
As for why I was okay, I'd already resigned myself to it happening, since it was teased in the queue thread and I know Pooky well enough to know he's probably not gonna listen to me if I tell him to stop. Plus I think the opposite of Reck, where an early challenge honestly is probably better for reading people.

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just lim me and town block pooky/noraa
everything will be fine >;)

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I think you’ve burned all my trust between you and Noraa

D:<
I'm trying to improve there.

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Just take the fucking townread goddamn it!!!!!!

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You bitch and moan about how I read you wrong and yet when I townread you you attack me. And I find it ridiculous you think I can’t find you obvtown when you yourself boast about your towniness at every turn. You’re not genuinely interacting with me, you’re being contrarian!!!!!!!!

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What is UT posting in the PT so far, Reck?

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Noraaaaaaaaaa I'm sad you're scum here

I'm not so you should be happy.

I don't believe you

That's fine. My towniness will shines thru like a bright light

Really. REALLY???
And I never turned my read on you in Betrayal Mafia, so no that’s not a thing that “always happens”. I also turned my read on you around last-second in 2170, so that’s also counter to your belief.
As for my defeatist attitude, yeah I accept I’m probably gonna die, but that doesn’t mean I’m not gonna get pissed if held to an impossible standard. You literally expect everyone to townread you but when I do it I’m the worst person on the planet! GROW UP.

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I'm expecting you to not call my townreads on you bullshiut oin princiople!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I DON'T WANT A FIGHT. I WANT FAIR GODDAMN TRETMENT!!!!!!!!!

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Your read on me is beside the point. My issue is how you act high and mighty about your towniness in all scenarios except ones where I'm townreading you! It's BULLSHIT, you're either lying about your self-perceived towniness or your bullying me!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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And honestly the bullshit treatment goes back to our first games together, because you've treated completely non-hostile posts as affronts to you. It seems with everyone except me you're fine being nice, but you're nothing but a jerk to me.

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If I don't act high and mighty with confidence in games where I'm heavily SRed, I fucking always die a day 1 lim. Is that hard to understand or something?

Maybe that attitude is EXACTLY WHY people don't want to TR you. I was a frequent day 1 lim myself for a good while, UNTIL I LEARNED SOME GODDAMN SELF-AWARENESS! People don't want egotists who toot their own horn, they want people who can be honest about themselves and learn from mistakes.

[Gamma Emerald]

I was mean to you in mafia sunny?
Haunted Village?
Betrayal?
Student council?
Where?

mafiasunny and mini 2170 you attacked me fort posts that were not meant as attacks towards you that you took that way.
Student council I don't know exactly how you treated me but I don't recall you exactly being the nicest person there either.
Xenoblade 2 was honestly a lot like this game where you bit back at me for townreading you. So surface level meta SHOULD tell me you're scum, but I know from mini 2170 that kind of behavioral analysis doesn't work for reading you.
Haunted Village and Betrayal you were okay
Donner Party you knowingly and willingly tunneled me the entire time you were alive.

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UR not even talking logic anymore. Ur just attacking my inexperience.

In the past I've vouched for you saying you wouldn't develop as a player if you weren't allowed to play. With more personal experience I'm starting to question myself there.

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I'M NOT SAYING YOU SRING ME IS MEAN AND UNREASONABLE. I'VE NEVER SAID THAT. YOU'RE MAKING THAT UP!!!
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TR ME WHEN I TR YOU, BUT DON'T CALL MY TRS ON YOU BULLSHIT ON SOME PRINCIPLE THAT I ALWAYS TURN THEM AROUND. THAT JUST MAKES ME LESS WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU IN THE PRESENT AND FUTURE.

In Donner Party, I was the vig and I was having to deal with cocksure guillotina. Of course I wasn't gonna come out smelling like roses. But every time I tried to look past you you'd call me scum for it!!!!!
As for Xenoblade 2, I guess you didn't "bite back" but you did snub me when I tried to work with you early on, and then fired at me with the same bit about "being obligated to TR me back" you're using here

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You said things that I found very offensive in Betrayal and? mini 2170. You said things that read to me like "Noraa is a crappy player"
No shit I was offended.

I don't think I said you were a bad PLAYER, at least in betrayal. I said your PLAY looked bad, yes. And in mini 2170, while I may have said that, I also said I believed you could improve.

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Here's a news flash: my "beacon of towniness" comment was made when I still thought you were town in Xenoblade 2, and that was why I made it, since those games felt remarkably similar in vibe. I don't exactly shy away from ongoing game reads if I can pass them off as based on something else. It's bending the rules sure, but I don't believe I'm breaking them. You saw me do it in mini 2170 as well.
Honestly the fact I can't read you well should be a testament to your scum skill. Compliments to that, I guess?

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You said things that I found very offensive in Betrayal and? mini 2170. You said things that read to me like "Noraa is a crappy player"
No shit I was offended.

I don't think I said you were a bad PLAYER, at least in betrayal. I said your PLAY looked bad, yes. And in mini 2170, while I may have said that, I also said I believed you could improve.

Great ok. Thats where I started disliking your play.
I'm not engaging you anymore cuz I see this as you trying hard to 1v1 me knowing that I almost always succeed to be day 1 limbait.

I'm NOT trying to 1v1 you, I think you're town for fuck's sake!
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Whatever, I'll just do this so you can figure out sooner that I'm not scum and I'm actually fucking genuine here.

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But in return you need to admit you can't read me, since it seems you've barely, if ever, townread me in games where I wasn't mechanically conftown.

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I would like to request y'all don't hammer me while I'm offline
I want the chance to read everything I can before I die

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I'm not un-selfvoting outside of fringe scenarios I can't even put into words effectively rn
my lim is happening.

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I could see that? But honestly at this point I'm pissed off about things to the point I'd rather have my slot resolved ASAP, and prove wrong those who think I'm scum here.

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I'm curious what his response will be when he comes back

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yeah
but any wagon needs at least 3 outsiders of the group under debate (4 if anyone that isn't me rn)
So there's likely to be a good amount of opinions expressed by people outside the challenge

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I'll leave my vote for now as a pointer of where I'd prefer the lim to go, but I'll probably pipe down for a bit

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speaking of your logic hat
When's Tracer Bullet coming back?

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I agree the "scum-adjacent" talk isn't fantastic, but I feel like his recent interaction with me felt genuine?

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Normally I'd think town would hold that "you might be town" talk for when the wagon is approaching the climax.

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DO NOT USE YOUR PTS FOR GAME RELEVANT INFO. Post it IN GAME THREAD.

FULL TRANSPARENCY IS OUR FRIEND.

why? I like it. It's like having a notes pt instead of sending myself emails every time I think of something I don't wanna say in the game thread.

this is like, a legit point
Also, I'm thinking I trust pooky over VP rn

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you're an idiot

btw when I played with Scum!Noraa i killed her at elo for a town win

when you played with scum!Noraa you lost to her badly after getting snowed

think about that the next time you hurl another personal insult at me

Don't talk to VP like that.

If it weren't for everyone else thinking I were scum in death curse, you would've gotten snowed.

VP's the one calling people idiots

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That's why a town perspective entering this POE-4 should be to figure out who the bad guy is and push them.

Instead Baltar's perspective is

"let's kill Pooky cuz he's an idiot"

"let's kill Pooky because even if he's town he's helping scum"

He's not even trying to find the bad guy, he's decided to autoslot Noraa as green despite having no legit reason to do so.

He's decided he wants to kill Pooky despite more or less knowing Pooky is green because Pooky isn't playing according to some arbitrary standard of goodness he's decided on.

This is scummy as hell behavior and not a town mindset at all.

In addition he's ignoring me, and I've not really been towny myself. He's singling out the easier-to-argue-against target here, since you made a seemingly anti-town move.

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I mean you're ignoring the possibility I might be scum seemingly

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up to you

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I mean you're ignoring the possibility I might be scum seemingly

Nope, been talking about it a lot with noraa actually

this is Pooky's point about not using PTs for this stuff
@UT I'll just tell you to skim the interactions of me and noraa, it contributes literally nothing

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can you at least say what you've discussed (on your end at least) about my chances of being scum?

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to elaborate on pooky's last post
the only time I think reads should be kept in the PT is when they're ones that would disrupt a status quo you're not okay disrupting
this applies for ANY game with hoods, not just fully hooded games

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okay that post was on page 4 or w/e
also I have thoughts on that but it's not practical to state them just now, if someone else wants to hear it I'll talk about it with them.

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Noraa do you not see how the interactions VPB described in the PT look like he's pocketing you?
He essentially tried to act like a hero when you expressed vulnerability about getting limmed D1

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He probably didn't realize the type of picture he was painting. Plus if he lied you'd be able to call him out.

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Cherrypicking/lying by omission isn't exactly towny

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He probably didn't realize the type of picture he was painting.

You really believe that?

Somewhat
Like, you didn't have any great options there, I believe. Either you paint it as something it isn't, which gets you called out, you leave that part out, which SHOULD get called out, or you state things as they are, which puts your actions up to the microscope

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I’ll try to avoid posting but I don’t want to get prodded
But yeah I’ll keep it down. I do kinda wanna have highest post count for the time I’m alive though.

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UNVOTE:
So it’ll take a little more effort to ship me off.

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So much for the truce.
I’ll tell the reasons for VP!scum in 48 hours, IF he and Noraa actually stick to the deal, otherwise I’ll post it now and will not rest until he’s 6 feet underground.
Pretty manipulative to demand the reasons now when the only person advocating such a read is under a vow of silence, by the way.

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Wild notion, but 46% of the posts this game are from noraa and gamma so how about the two of you chill out and let some other people talk instead of suffocating the game?

me gamma noraa baltar take a time out and let the other 8 people talk for a day or two ok?

I'm down for that

Baltar Noraa Gamma?

I’ll try to avoid posting but I don’t want to get prodded
But yeah I’ll keep it down. I do kinda wanna have highest post count for the time I’m alive though.

Let’s note MY pair was immediately willing to comply but VP and Noraa weren’t. I think that’s an indication of who REALLY cares about keeping traction in this situation.

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As if me interacting with a read inconsistently is that alien. I’ll take a potshot if I think it’s deserved. I think you’re town but way too invested in controlling the narrative. Pipe down for a damn second and let the rest of the game share their two cents.

Now, go to your PT and tell VP to stop talking here.
As long as you two don’t post past this point I won’t.

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There's a 1v1 between Gamma and Noraa on Page 10 that I need to come back and have a closer look at.

Don’t. It’s not worth your time.

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3/4 of us have a large share of the posts though. Plus it would just be nice to hear everyone else’s thoughts for a change?

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I personally trust reck/ut rn
maybe double check this later on

also where's lilith, she hasn't posted in >24 hours

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I think fluffposting is exactly what they DON'T want from us.

In order to actually add content to this, I'm gonna post something I was saving for later.

I am finding Gamma to be conciliatory in a way that I did not expect, which reads to me as scummy. I'm also not liking the "I want to have the top post count in the game while I'm alive" thing because holy fucking shit if there's one thing a mafia game doesn't need it's a person trying to intentionally have more posts than everyone else. that's just policy but still. don't post just to see your avatar next to a bunch of words. that shit is obnoxious.

Pooky I find completely unreadable. basically I think later in the game if he's missed a bunch of reads he's probably scum. before then idfk.

VP I think is scummy for reasons I can't articulate, so that read is weak and useless to me at the moment.

noraa I think is probably our best bet for scum out of this pool.

I don't like the fact UT essentially SRs 3/4 people in the pool and shades the only one he doesn't flat out scumread, but says "I don't know why I scumread [person with probably the most solid points against them] so I can't act on that"
If one of UT/Reck is scum I'm betting it's UT

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with our current state of interactions I'd probably dare you to hammer me. In a neutral scenario I might ask what you're seeing in me.

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a. I can resist the urge but if both noraa and VP are gonna be posting then I'm not just gonna let them control the narrative.
b. okay
c. that's actually the slot I was seeing as you shading vs. scumreading.
d. Okay. change it to shading 3/4 of the slots and scumreading the last one. You're still leaving quite a few options open there.

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side note to a. is that me and pooky were playing chess in the team PT but he is standing me up on his next move, so my method to curb my urge is kinda not working out rn

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Letting scum advance their wincon isn't something town should do

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Just popping in to say Pooky is a dirty cheater at chess.

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scum in this setup can have a tremendous amount of control of who is eligible for elimination. they have a lot of power to set up either/or situations that are beneficial to them.

Who would you see as doing this rn? I have AT LEAST one person I'm seeing as doing that rn.

I'll be posting up thoughts from my sabbatical tonight, but this is a prelude to those.

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Let me post my work then a hammer can happen.

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Does no one fucking care that I have stuff I want to do here?

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Holy shit, way to only think about yourselves.

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I was giving the thread a chance to breathe, sorry you didn’t get the memo scum.

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But this game day was a waste.

I don’t like this mindset, but you tried at least. Unlike SOMEONE.

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You’ll know in a second.

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Hehe quote wall go brrrrrrrr

All of these I had put into the team PT before, and I have not edited down anything I initially wrote, so you can see my full thought process. I have, however, added in editorial notes on things where I wanted to comment on how they aged, or to expand a point I thought seemed barren.

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: gamma

The lilith reaching was bad, but at least it was early stage stuff that could be town if you squint enough. Trying to frame Noraa & I talking in the PT about the game as me pulling one over on her is actively scummy (not to mention, demeaning to Noraa.)

Second, if I was scum, I wouldn't be transparent with you at all. You're not exactly in control of the game gamma, nor would I be worried about you if I was scum.

I love how pooky claims a) I'm terrible at mafia because I lost a single game to Noraa, and b) I'm also masterminding control over Noraa because she is a poor helpless little girl.

Gamma sheeping that nonsense is scummy.

I don’t like VP playing both sides on this. I’m not hell-bent on him being scum but I think he has a helluva better chance compared to Pooky. He makes solid points, but the vibes in this are all wrong. I’m not trying to portray Noraa as a damsel in distress, but his reaction to her talking about her D1 lim frequency was directly intending to turn her against our pair, at least that’s my sense. It’s not conclusive but it’s the strongest point I think exists on anyone in the pool. (I think this still holds atp)

I'm just getting a gut vibe check on him that says town

Esp from our PT posting where he was Uber excited that we both rolled town. Idk. Could be faked but I actually buy it

I trust this.

Gamma's insistence on the townread to the point of a self-vote feels very fucking weird.

The thing is, Noraa was attacking my read stability on her saying I never hold my townread of her. That’s literally incorrect, but in order to prove my motives I self-voted with the intent to prove “I am town, and I mean it with this read”.

Beginning to Page 9

Okay, I'm here, HAI!

Has anyone played previous iterations of Hidden Temple?

I have not.


Dang, Pooky pulling no punches with a challenge on Page 4. Seems a bit early, no?

Vp and I've been talking in the pt and I think he's pretty townie and if I had to gun to head, I'd say he's town.

If y'all are both town, why hideaway in your PT?

After this challenge ends someone should challenge the Red Jaguars
I think they’re both scum

Why? (I think I caught your answer as I read further, but anything to add?)

I need Starbuck/AGar to post more so I can read them

Apologies, I'm here! Work has been dumb AF this week.

like you could make that happen

if gamma is scum, ur 90% a buddy.

How so? What's the connection that you see?

Lilith feels like she’s promoting TTvTT conflict

Your partner started a challenge on like page 3....

+1

gamma is way too full of crap this game to be town

I've been feeling the similarly as I've been reading through, but then again, he's fooled me once before. I'm keeping my eye on him.

also can you guys please shut the fuck up and calm down and stop spamposting irrelvant contentless bullshit posts

you're going to cause mass replacements when people who went to bed early tonight wake up with a dozen or more pages to read

Seriously, thank you.

And here comes Reck with the spicy hot takes on Page 8.

“Scum or liability” is the lazy/bad way to read Pooky

What is the correct take on it?

I was wondering the same.

Seems town.

About Pooky, I said this at some point, but he pretty much seems like he does his own thing as town for the most part. He seems hard to reason with as town, it’s like he has this tough outer shell that seems unpierceable. That kinda seems to be the sense I’m getting here, but I’m not going to fool myself into thinking I know everything here. But I’d like SOMEONE to supply a second opinion on whether that seems like the vibe coming from Pooky this game.

pooky’s posting looks more like what I’d expect from town!him (when he was talking about how VP was pushing him, that felt like him screaming about datisi in micro 960). I feel like I’m pretty meh about the rest of the pool. It’s hard to pin gamma and noraa because I feel like the majority of my impression of their posting is yelling at each other and I don’t think their argument should be considered AI particularly. I don’t have a good grasp on how they’re approaching the game.

How well do Noraa and VP know each other? They both seem very trusting of the other when I think town would be more suspicious/paranoid of early mutual townreads. Noraa is suspicious of gamma townreading her (a trait I generally consider towny), but why isn’t she paranoid of VP?

also just an apology, work is a hot mess. I’m trying to majorly limit screen time (ie visit ms like once per day) because my eyes are screaming for mercy. I have like... 5 more hours of work left and then can try to pop back in, but this is basically how it’s going to be for the foreseeable future.

I don’t hate this post. Asks some good questions actually.

SirCakez
lilith2013
Starbuck
AGar
xRECKONERx
notscience
The Bulge

^ this list of people

what are your reads on the players on the table right now? how about the 8 of us talk about this. we don't need to talk about anyone who you can't vote for today. that will clutter this up and distract. just the people on the table.

Not entirely a fan of this. While the other 8 can’t be limmed, focusing on the current 4 on the table is failing to make the most of this situation, and seems like the level 0 scum play.

How well do Noraa and VP know each other? They both seem very trusting of the other when I think town would be more suspicious/paranoid of early mutual townreads. Noraa is suspicious of gamma townreading her (a trait I generally consider towny), but why isn’t she paranoid of VP?

I have been concerned with VP before but it has never been voiced in thread.

For the most part tho, I still pretty solidly believe that VP is town.

No, we don't know each other too well.

I think he's town cuz I agree with most of what he says. That is he says stuff and I agree. Not I say stuff and he agrees.
And overall, I see town saying what he says more often than scum.
He also had one pretty town post in the hood that I'll pull out if needed and with his permission ofc.

So what, you voiced it in the PT? Where he can see that and adjust his play to fit your expectations?
Also, I don’t think “I agree with X” is a great reason for a townread most of the time. Mirror tell is valid, but I don’t think mirror tell works if the sensibilities of one of the persons is exposed.

We made a deal in our PT to trust each other for now and reassess as needed. I'm ok with that deal for a day and I'm not gonna be convinced to yeet Noraa unless there is something truly compelling there.

For reference, here is what I actually said about the deal noraa proposed.

"I'm ok with that deal for a day"

You chucklefucks misrepping it like I gave Noraa a free pass forever so she'd be "naive" and never scum read me (which reads extremely misogynistic to me) can just stop.

How the fuck is that misogynistic? My read on your relationship has nothing to do with gender, is has to do with who has done what.
Noraa expressed an emotional vulnerability, and you used that to direct her against my pair. What about that is based in gender????

This challenge thing is really frustrating me because I feel like it's making it hard to scumhunt outside the given pool

It isn’t if you TRY.

Unrelated question: if Pooky hadn't challenged, which two teams would you send into a challenge rn?

Red Jaguars and Blue Barracudas. I don’t feel good about Cakez or AGar rn, and Starbuck and Lilith aren’t doing much.
After this was originally written, I also think Starbuck has a good chance to be scum. She’s the one I called out earlier with post 563. Her laser focus on me and Noraa at the expense of any real evaluation of VP or Pooky reads like scum putting together a TvT gamestate.

It's interesting because there's a Gamma/Noraa 1v1 and a Pooky/Baltar 1v1 happening. I feel like I've sorted the first, but I'm not sure about the 2nd.

I’m not interested in 1v1ing Noraa, though. I think Baltar is more likely scum in that pair.

Its great that Starbuck is throwing shade at so many people yet not voting anyone.

The fact that she decides that basically pooky and vp don't exist and the whole choice is between gamma and I is interesting as well.

She also seems to have a thing for pocketing gamma.

I agree her opting to set Pooky and VP aside is not great. She said she doesn’t have a strong opinion on those two but there’s no effort to fix that.

Oh VPB, this Gamma case in 395. You talk about Gamma speaking about you and Noraa hiding away in the PT, but what about Pooky who originally brought that subject to the table in the first place? If Gamma is scummy for it, is Pooky? Why vote Gamma and not Pooky?

Because at least pooky was presenting it as an original idea. I think his point was bad (which I explained why later), but I can see town motivation in trying to pressure. Gamma however is just repeating it without thinking about the validity of what is being said, presumably because he thinks it's an easy way to score points on me. That's actively scummy behavior. As is trying to say lilith is scum over an RVS comment. As is the woe is me self voting. Etc

The self vote wasn’t a “woe is me” deal at all. I essentially was saying “you don’t know me” there, since Noraa was acting like she had a lock on the situation when she was arguing things that just weren’t true. Also, just because I think Pooky’s points are solid doesn’t mean that’s all I’m working off of in my read on you.

I'm saying your reaction to Noraa proposing a trust deal to you is suspicious given that she literally just snowed you for a scumwin.

Your framing of that game is inaccurate, but anyhow...

My point is, what makes you think I haven't improved my ability to read noraa now that I've had more experience playing with her? Further, I stated how I see it as advantageous to my ability to assess her alignment.

You keep saying she's the victim here, but also I'm getting snowed and duped by her or whatever. You see how this argument is illogical, right?

How is he framing it inaccurately? I'm listening.
Also, the point he's making is you were snowed by Noraa

previously

, so your willingness to trust her

now

seems scum-motivated. I don't see how one ongoing game can change the direction of that so much.

No post really goes with this, but I’m feeling slightly town about Bulge. He seems to be asking decent questions. I also like notsci’s approach to me specifically, and his effort at making something of today seems legit, so I’m good locktowning that pair rn

hes probly green cuz u want to yeet him

Anyhow, let's move ahead with this phase. It's been a gigantic waste brought to you by pooky.

Under no circumstances should he be allowed to challenge for the rest of the game. If it's me today, that's fine and it will reinforce my point that town needs to get rid of pooky asap to have a shot at winning.

People should start voting so we can move this challenge to a conclusion and real challenges can begin.

I’m only okay with a VP or Pooky yeet atp. Because beyond the fact that I just generally feel like Noraa is town, I also feel like scum very much want to focus on me and Noraa and put us against each other. So I don’t believe Noraa is scum here, ever. Pooky’s been pretty trustworthy, he breached a few lines I wish he wouldn’t have but w/e, those are nitpicks. I also don’t like how everyone seems to have dashed to call him bad when I think his early challenge move was fine in the long-term. Meanwhile I feel like VP has tried to pocket Noraa and then attempted to steal the moral high ground when called out on it. His handling of Noraa is oddly and unjustifiably off-color from how I’d expect him to handle her following losing to her showing in MafiaSunny. I’m not confident he’s scum in general but he’s the best shot in the limpool imo.

Some summaries on how I feel about the people outside the pool (since my thoughts within the pool seem covered sufficiently by the last part of the quote wall, though to quantify alongside these, myself and Noraa are Town, Pooky is Leantown, and VP is Leanscum):
SirCakez: he seems content to let town destroy itself with minimal fuel added to the fire by him. He has not bothered to bat an eyelash at any of the non-pool players, which is scummy and also absolutely wasteful behavior. I also think his reads on me and Noraa are just awful for any situation, not just when we’re put into the arena like this. And this is the SOMEONE I spoke of just now. Scum.
Lilith: I still want more from but she had 1 post I actually liked a fair amount. She’s asking questions I’m not sure scum would want to ask. Nulltown.
Starbuck: she initially captured my mind with her thought-out quote walls but my heart didn’t buy it and my heart was validated when she wrote off Pooky vs. VP in favor of fueling the non-existent Gamma vs. Noraa fire. She has not said a single word on that since initially calling them hard-to-read. Scum.
AGar: I’m not impressed by what he’s been doing, but it’s kinda hard to articulate and is probably partially OMGUS. I wouldn’t axe him now but wouldn’t stick my neck out for him. Leanscum.
UT: he has not really impressed me with what he’s been doing in the main thread, but I’m willing to trust Reck’s read on UT for now. Nullscum.
Reck: I’m not sensing any misleading from Reck here, and he’s been pretty decent in his attempts to play the game. But I’m not entirely sold on him yet. Leantown.
Notscience: between his efforts to make something of today and the vibes his reads give me, I trust him completely. Town.
The Bulge: I want to see more from him but I think he has some diamonds in the rough. Nulltown.

[Gamma Emerald]

Bonus question for everyone: what’s your PT like at this point? How much have each of you been posting? The second question is the one I really care about FYI.

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Curious what you see between him and AGar, but that’s good for all else.

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VOTE: VP Baltar
Prefer this lim.

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you mean isn't?

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Well everyone's been treating us about the same, so that's gonna result in our reads being similar.

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Gamma's at Y-2, yeah?

-4. Cakez, Noraa, VP.

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Where in this thread have I been unclear I was holding off so others could do stuff? Why do you act the way you do towards me given that?

[Gamma Emerald]

what's your opinion on VP, reck

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Um no VP called that post out there

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VP was actually answering your question, saying it was scummy of noraa to leave everyone else in the pool open as a yeet candidate. Maybe

I'm

getting it wrong but that's the vibe I got.

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I didn't say anything that would amount to "would yeet everyone", I stated several townreads on people and the only thing that wasn't any level of townread within to pool was my VP leanscum read.

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I need to do some more reading before I'll feel confident on my reads of Pooky and VP. I said as such in my catch ups, so why does that make me scum?

I haven't seen a single peep from you indicating you're actually doing it. And you've got a strict timetable to do so if you want to change my mind, specifically, once this challenge ends I'm set on it, because then the topic becomes sorta a non-issue.

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I wouldn't word it the same but I agree with the vibe of how Noraa is perceiving Cakez
I won't call myself good at reading Cakez but he has patterns of behavior I'm not sure he's entirely aware of and able to control yet.

[Gamma Emerald]

Doesn't take a cabd to catch a cakez.

[Gamma Emerald]

have you tried taking notes?

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Take that up with the people who want this challenge to be over with. I'm willing to let you have that time but it's not negotiable that I won't look favorably on you if you fail to deliver before this bubble bursts, whenever that is.

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Yeah Lilith I think cake is scum for not being scummy enough.

A shit ton of players on this site play more scummy as town and more towny as scum. Cake is one of them.

The fact that no one SRs him except me when we're already on page 28 is a huge red flag. I've basically only seen Cake die day 1 as town.

Actually Cakez dies more D1 as scum, by personal experience, but that's potentially because people just honed in on him well those games. But Cakez gives a sorta lhf wrong-place-wrong-time vibe as town, and it's not present here. Cakez does frequently get miselimmed as town, but it's later into the game than D1.

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i'm not sure if Noraa is scum but if she wants to play antitown I'll help yeet her

Why are you sure lilith is town?

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You understand how bonkers that sounds, right?

And as town, yes I expect transparency in my neighborhood. Scum can't be transparent because they'll get caught. I know I have nothing to hide and I'm totally fine being transparent.

If I was scum, why would I need UT to do my dirty work? I could push for your yeet very easily, and it would have made my own game pretty simple after the challenge.

You're being extremely paranoid if you're town and it's not helpful.

(On the plus side Pooky, you've ruined our marriage and we aren't talking in the PT Team monkey needs counseling!)

I literally don't care. I wanted to know if you were town and the only way was to make it seem like I was 1000% convinced you were. Only when you're relaxed can I get a somewhat accurate read.

Saying this really doesn't help me whatsoever cuz now I can't read u that way but idc that was my plan and it didn't help me cuz I still don't know >:(

Idk why but this gives me a super-genuine vibe

[Gamma Emerald]

notscience I want you to compare this to Haunted Village and Xenoblade 2 and see what this resembles more for you

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree on notsci being scum most likely. I don't agree so much on cakez

why?

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I don't think it ever makes sense for a townie to hard TR someone that is SRing them really hard.

Especially for a player like gamma who is quite emotionally fueled at times.

OMGUS is more acceptable imo.

Or, consider this. I can keep my feelings in check and think rationally. I'm not saying I always do this, but it's not beyond me.

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I’m planning on rereading gamma in the context of VP’s points against him but have to do work so hopefully later today

Also I reeeeeally don’t like noraa’s posts being like “this is why the other people in the pool are scummier than me” but not actually scumreading any of them

Yeah I still think Noraa is town but the widespread shade without commitment is hard to rationalize

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my read on this is that she's trying to give scumbuddies cover to bus. I don't really see a reason to melt down like this otherwise. I guess she could just be starting to lose her cool, but there really isn't that much pressure, so that seems less likely to me

Maybe
I still think VP is the person I can really see scum motivation in, rather than just saying "this looks scummy" within the pool
Imo a lot of people are doing this lazy "it's scummy so it's gotta come from scum" way of reading things
But for me I know which scumreads of mine (AGar, UT) are because I think they've acted scummy, and which scumreads (Starbuck, Cakez, VP) actually seem like they have scum motivation for what they've been doing. And I want to push those who seem like they actually have scum motivation first.

[Gamma Emerald]

ah yes, the "ignore scummy behavior" tactic

I'm not saying do that
I'm saying actually think about scum motivation for the play, and try to lim that over people that just look bad. You can still pressure people who look bad but just saying to lim them for that is shallow play.

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I think Noraa's talk about people turning on her D1 happening for town her makes sense, though iirc I've only seen it once (Haunted Village). Plus, she probably is having trouble handling things, given she's starting to have doubts about VP. So I don't want to lim her today, instead I'd like to give her a chance to live for a while.
Pooky I don't think was actually anti-town with his early challenge, and I feel like people trying to eat him alive for that kinda might be scummier for it. VP is among them, but that's getting ahead of myself. I think he's acting a little loony and my expectation of him is that behavior is town-indicative for him.
VP has been railing Pooky for the challenge being anti-town but I feel like anyone who actually tries to read the non-challenge members based on their handling of the challenge should be able to form reads just fine. I also think he used an emotional weak point of Noraa's to sic her on me and Pooky, and when called out he tried to act like we were being sexist when really it would look the same

regardless of the gender roles

, and I honestly think trying to make it out to be something it's not like that is just, scummy both in the context of the game and just as a general principle. I also dislike his allegation that I've blanket agreed with Pooky, yes I think Pooky's takes are sound but I have my own thoughts that at this point I feel I've been pretty vocal about, so that's a rather solid misrep atp. He's also among the party currently doing the "scummy = scum" fallacy with his reasons for voting Noraa recently. Like, If Noraa is being weird, you should

try to sort her

, not take it as scum behavior immediately. That goes back to Pooky's issue regarding VP's initial trust of Noraa despite getting snowed by her. The general trend of VP's play around Noraa is he's acting on things without doing the necessarey legwork to validate his opinions, which seems like scum who has the answers already.

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Oh now that's just a fucking lie. HOw is what I'm doing NOT SCUMHUNTING, HUH?!?!??!?!?

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How is "he's not legitimately sorting Noraa, just jumping to an alignment" a dubious reason? Everything before that I could see that for, though I feel like my reasons get stronger the further along into that paragraph you go.

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I listed two points where you jumped to a conclusion about Noraa's play. early on, you decided to trust her, despite her fooling you in MafiaSunny (which btw, you haven't given which Pooky is reading the events of that game wrong), which I can kinda pass off, and then there's recently where you saw Noraa acting weird and seemed to jump to it being scummy, without minimal sorting at best from what I can tell. If you've been sorting her for real, it's been in the PT where I can't see it, so in that case you're making pooky's point for him about what to use the PT for.

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I didn't say that?

Noraa's push on me is so bad regardless of alignment here and everything she posts feels manufactured

what makes you sure the challenge wouldn't benefit town, then?

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VOTE: pooky
if we're not doing VP then I guess I'll do this.

[Gamma Emerald]

the probability from my POV knowing my role PM is green is

(7/11)(6/10)(5/9) = 21%

the probability from a outsider POV holding a green role PM is:

(7/11)(6/10)(5/9)(4/8) = 10.5%

probability of what? I think your math might be off.

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I listed two points where you jumped to a conclusion about Noraa's play. early on, you decided to trust her, despite her fooling you in MafiaSunny (which btw, you haven't given which Pooky is reading the events of that game wrong), which I can kinda pass off, and then there's recently where you saw Noraa acting weird and seemed to jump to it being scummy, without minimal sorting at best from what I can tell. If you've been sorting her for real, it's been in the PT where I can't see it, so in that case you're making pooky's point for him about what to use the PT for.

I'll circle back later today and address this. Need to run for a few hours.

I was hoping to get on a computer today, but that seems unlikely, so I'll answer this as best I can from my phone.

Regarding the second half of your statement about why I called noraa scummy there, I think I've explained that pretty thoroughly.

Re: mafiaSunny - I don't think I got "snowed" by noraa that game. Iirc, even before reck flipped scum that game, I said if reck was scum, I thought noraa was too. I unfortunately got distracted by some other scummy behavior the next day and didn't have good follow through. Then in Xylo, I had a lot of pressure on me to get it right because I was confirmed town. I correctly hit Haschel scum in the second to last day without a lot of help from the other town players (ythan, you and ~oldmanbrainIcantremember~). So the finally Xylo day, I felt I again wasn't getting a ton of help solving. Ythan was himself and pretty laid back. Noraa was talking and AtEing everywhere (which I didn't know then was what she always does), and you were pretty dejected and just assumed I wanted you no matter what.

Ultimately, I made a bad pick in what was not a great Xylo situation. Def not my finest moment, but getting snowed? Nah. To me that'd be straight up town blocking noraa, which just wasn't the case.

You did call Noraa town for her effort, despite it being NAI and it being clear in post-game that was something she had to really push herself to do.

Besides that, your point about that game is fair.

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Notscience I'm not gonna lie that last series of posts was fucking terrible

why is ur default to lie about notsci?

"not gonna lie" is just a way of saying "honestly"
so while it's trite, it's not like you're making it out to be

[Gamma Emerald]

Notscience was someone I was counting as a number but he hasn't been on you in a while, so I'm not confident at all I can sway the needed people given that

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But I don't have that much conviction on you being scum VP. I just think you're the most likely out of the 4. But if we're not doing you I'd rather do pooky who I'm not strongly town on

[Gamma Emerald]

how fast of a reader are you, because I'm telling you it's not that lengthy of a read for me
but like, I'm also able to hardcore archive binge a long-running webcomic within a few days span so maybe I'm just a fast reader

[Gamma Emerald]

that was towards reck, sorry

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both Reck and UT have said "I scumread VP but can't explain why" now

[Gamma Emerald]

why does you entire pair suspect VP yet neither of you are acting on it?
a weak read is not useless

[Gamma Emerald]

Am I allowed to vote no elim

Well this is a very forced town slip :/

it's not even a town slip, it's a "lack of reading comprehension" slip

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Also, to go back to why I'm voting Pooky, we have 2 people not wanting to vote VP despite finding him suspicious. As such I now have to get 7/9 people to vote there, with multiple having expressed disinterest there outside the UT/Reck pair as well iirc. So like, it's not fucking happening, on a mathematical level.

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Am I allowed to vote no elim

Well this is a very forced town slip :/

it's not even a town slip, it's a "lack of reading comprehension" slip

I don't think so. Notsci is a very competent player that I think pays a shit ton of attention to details from what I know of him.

why would scum fake that sort of thing, though, when it's not a town slip in any sense?

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He says it's "weak, and therefore useless"
I disagree with that sentiment, but he essentially is unwilling to vote VP despite having scum feelings from him
Honestly thinking about it UT's perspective here reeks of scum motivation, he's not scumhunting, just pushing people who look bad

[Gamma Emerald]

would it not do to shore that read up though? It's the same issue I brought up regarding baltar where the solving is not present imo

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so what your issue boils down to here is that Gamma made an effort post, then made a utilitarian vote? idgi. that tracks, for me.

Eh, it wasn't like it was that or gamma died. I don't understand townreading noraa over pooky here. Unless there is something more in the PT that is tripping him up.

Nah our PT is mostly either games or just us using it as a bootleg notes PT. We’ve not talked game there at all except for one point where he responded to a question I’d put in there for him that was meant to be included in the quote wall.
But as for why Pooky over Noraa, beyond TRing Noraa I also sympathize with her plight of being D1 limmed as town and having people turn against her like they do. I’m good giving her an extra phase or so to do things. Though I won’t really feel the same if she lolchallenges after this ends, because that’s not exactly putting her own survival at the fore, which seems like the vibe rn

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I don't understand the connection between what you quoted and what you said

You reacted to Noraa potentially challenging you by calling it “anti town”
If Lilith ends up flipping scum from that would that not actually be pro town iyo?

[Gamma Emerald]

this is scummy fencesitting
Gamma will elim anyone b/c they're all town

Misrep. Have not tried to lim Noraa at all here.

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Of the four, I find Gamma's sustained behavior most likely to come from scum

okay but I don't think it's gonna happen

isn't it wild how some of the people actually up for yeeting today want us to spend all of our time talking about people we can't yeet, our reads on whom will depend on today's flip?

really make u think

Maybe it’s because the lim pool is not the only people you should have to form reads on
I understand it’s probably not as easy to form reads on those outside the pool if you don’t have the insider perspective of knowing your own alignment while being in it, but it shouldn’t be such a monumental task to form reads on people that aren’t under pressure that so many people can’t do it (or just choose not to I guess)
And like, yeah reads will depend on the flip but allowing y’all to ignore that set of 7 (since you’re not gonna read yourself) just lets scum make up a stance once a flip happens

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Bottom line is your read is off and your tunneling whoever scumreads you is a bore.

isn't the whole point of tunneling to end up with a bore?

quoting this til someone gets it

I got it
Just didn’t feel like responding because it’s lame, and kinda a stretch

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s good

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Something about 965 hits different. Is it refusing to give actual opinions on VP/Pooky (especially VP given she claims to have him sorted now) because I’m “being a bully” by requesting a read in the timeframe where it holds the most weight, and then going and agreeing with transparency being a good way to be trusted?
Nah, gotta be something else, can’t be that.

I obviously can’t enforce any ultimatum here, I’m just trying to say that your read on Pooky+VP matters less when the challenge ands and they’re not on the table as immediate lim options. I don’t know why you’re so pissed off, I’m sorry your workplace sucks apparently, but the apparent effort from you seemed to have been directed at a half-assed solve that only really promoted easy targets.

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I agree on notsci being scum most likely. I don't agree so much on cakez

why?

Notsci seems to be cruising for path of least resistance yeet today. Remember when I said scum would use Pooky's insta-challenge as a way to take no responsibility for their actions today? Notsci is like the epitomy of that. He said he's willing to hammer anyone. I also feel like he's not trying to solve. I don't have a case at the moment because I tend to just keep impressions of each player in my head, and then later if I feel super strongly someone is scum, I'll re-iso them to see if their posting matches up with the impression I have or not. More often than not, I get bad feelings about someone for a good reason.

And that's leaving off how he felt you were "exploiting" Noraa's naivete. Basically, blaming you for "tricking" her or some such. I'm not quite sure if his quick turn around to my call out of that is genuine, but time will tell. He could have been a lot more defensive towards me with his response and he wasn't. So that's something.

Okay wait. Talk about this? Where/how has notscience talked about VP exploiting Noraa?

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why are you expending so much energy on starbuck when she's not even on the table for today

Maybe
It’s because this game doesn’t end with this challenge, and thinking only sorting 4 slots right now is enough is an extremely myopic way to play the game?
Don’t think it escapes me that all you old-guard folks are saying to only sort the slots directly on the table rn. I don’t wanna go full “ok boomer” but damn do y’all have no long-term game sense rn

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Okay. So someone wanna tell me why I’VE caught a ration of shit for thinking like that while that’s gone unanswered for? I don’t think “notscience can’t be limmed today” is a valid excuse rn

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Why? If he has a weak read, he's going to work to sort VPB and the conclusion might be opposite of his initial feelings due to the evolution of his read. It's literally what anyone should do on Day 1. Everyone works through their sorting differently and it seems like you're just mad because he didn't do it your way.

No, it seems like he’s not doing ANYTHING there. You’re welcome to prove me wrong, but given you decided to go “now I’m not sharing, nyeh!” with YOUR OWN reads, doubt you’re gonna help there either.

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reck is probly scum lol

You wanna say why or...?

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Okay. So someone wanna tell me why I’VE caught a ration of shit for thinking like that while that’s gone unanswered for? I don’t think “notscience can’t be limmed today” is a valid excuse rn

I think starbuck and I have both said it's a bad mentality.

I've said notscience is likely scum (not really for that though.) I don't think there's really a disparity in how I've looked at either of your slots.

Eh it’s mostly been you actually from memory
I’m still feeling a little cheesed but that’s because you took a moral stance that was just awful to put into the game ever

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I get that’s sarcastic but maybe I actually do need to teach you seeing as y’all aren’t doing anything to actually make this challenge not-a-waste and then trying to kill Pooky for creating a problem that really just lies on your shoulders

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You say that but have pushed me and Noraa as scum
Do you think it’s one of us as the most active scum? In which case what do you think the game plan for scum is because I’m wondering how you rationalize that with our play
PEdit: @Cakez

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I get that’s sarcastic but maybe I actually do need to teach you seeing as y’all aren’t doing anything to actually make this challenge not-a-waste and then trying to kill Pooky for creating a problem that really just lies on your shoulders

wait please explain to me how pooky -- who CREATED THE PROBLEM by your own admission -- gets to not be the problem child while UT and I are the ones TRULY responsible for this shitshow we find ourselves in

As I have seen it your issue seems to be with the fact it forces the scope to be on 4 slots, but in actuality it doesn’t. You folks just seem to not want to do it for whatever reason. Any proclaimed inability to read within {Lilith, Cakez, Starbuck, AGar, UT, Reck, notsci, Bulge} because of the insta-challenge imo comes from a lack of trying rather than that. I have admitted earlier that it probably becomes easier with flips, but the opposite of easy is not impossible, so you should still be able to do it without.
It’s a matter of will here. You claim Pooky caused a problem, but I don’t see where the problem is except in your head.
Also you two aren’t the only ones I have issues with, but you’ve certainly raised a lot of hell about how much this situation sucks so that makes you the people I feel like arguing with about it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cakez scumreading Noraa:

Noraaaaaaaaaa I'm sad you're scum here

Noraaaaaaaaaa I'm sad you're scum here

Noraaaaaaaaaa I'm sad you're scum here

I'm not so you should be happy.

I don't believe you

Kinda want to sheep the UT case on Noraa
I don't have anything else to add here

Honestly I thought there was more but really he’s just been saying she’s bad regardless of alignment which is an even shittier take

[Gamma Emerald]

I could be generalizing really hard here, but I’m just pissed off at the lack of trying

[Gamma Emerald]

Whatever just end this fucking day

[Gamma Emerald]

I am content to let notscience drive the bus on this for today

Okay why?

[Gamma Emerald]

honestly ngl i got random scummy vibes from starbuck throughout but i think she was being attacked stupidly by GE which made me see red and tbh idk who to send to challenge

Why does my push on starbuck discredit the vibes you got from her yourself?

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honestly ngl i got random scummy vibes from starbuck throughout but i think she was being attacked stupidly by GE which made me see red and tbh idk who to send to challenge

Why does my push on starbuck discredit the vibes you got from her yourself?

BC i felt compelled to defend her from what i viewed as bad attacks

Okay. What did you find scummy from Starbuck?

[Gamma Emerald]

honestly ngl i got random scummy vibes from starbuck throughout but i think she was being attacked stupidly by GE which made me see red and tbh idk who to send to challenge

Why does my push on starbuck discredit the vibes you got from her yourself?

BC i felt compelled to defend her from what i viewed as bad attacks

Okay. What did you find scummy from Starbuck?

Her catchup posts felt a lot like cheering from the sidelines and the way she was all "rah rah Reck makes good points" just *feels* like scum trying to get into my blindspot but it has been quite a hot minute since I've played with her so it could be genuine which is why I haven't really acted on it

Okay. I guess that’s a fair point and something I wouldn’t personally latch on to.
Why do you think me criticizing her failure to address VP/Pooky in the time she spent playing was a bad point to make? That’s the part I find more bothersome vs. pushing me vs. Noraa when that wasn’t a “thing”.

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let's go Cobra Kai

Strike Hard
Strike Fast
No Mercy!!

kill or kill

this isn't an explanation

iirc there was beef in the queue thread

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do you have any inclination on which it is?

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gamma are you conceding that chess game btw?

I stopped after you made an advanced play after a suspicious pause, because I suspected you looked it up, when you had previously stated you weren't that good, so I was like "man I'm not gonna play against someone so interested in winning he's gonna look shit up against me in a casual game like this"

do you have any inclination on which it is?

if i did dont you think i wouldve indicated that by now instead of being conflicted

true
thing is I've gotten scumvibes from agar, not so much from notty, and I'm also not certain my scumvibes from agar aren't just personal bias
so I'd like your perspective on those two

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if you wanna start a fresh game I'd do that
I just don't feel good about continuing the current one

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I feel like nothing has been happening that gives me drive to participate but I also don’t really know what I’m looking for rn
Someone talk to me.

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Uhh that feels very SoC, can you package up the important thoughts in one post, maybe with a nice bow on top pretty please?

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Uhh that feels very SoC, can you package up the important thoughts in one post, maybe with a nice bow on top pretty please?

is this @ me?

Yes

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I most want to yeet Lillith. Her prodding feels artificial, she seems like she's just latching on to wanting to yeet me so as not to have to engage with Cakez, and her ISO is mostly just globbing on to whatever seems to be something she can echo at the time.

Talk about this? I feel like lilith’s content has been decent at least, for what little she had

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I disagree that lillith's content is good or that she is some LHF, and presumably she can't have both things....

Well UT said he agreed with me while giving different takes overall. I don’t wanna OD on anecdotal meta but my sense is, from personal experience, town are much more likely to do that. I feel like scum would be more metered about what stances they’re taking and why, just as a general point.
On my part my issue with AGar is less that his lilith push is bad and more that he sussed all three of the other people in the pool.
VOTE: AGar
Not sold on this but might as well for now

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Just because you guys don’t recall lilith’s content doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist
I feel like a lot of people just have this view on content generation that’s not exactly myopic but to describe it better would get into not-okay terminology so we’ll go with myopic
Happens to me a lot where people will say “gamma hasn’t been posting content” but I have, it’s just less recent than would be preferred
Either they’re overlooking my past contributions or overvaluing present contributions

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Why the @cabd >:/
Also I’ve realized this for a while but if you view the angle bracket as eyebrows instead of horns like the intent is, that face looks a lot like Sunny

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I feel like Lilith isn’t exactly a weak push, but the one I feel makes the least sense for him to push, I’d expect him to push Cakez over her, and maybe Starbuck

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Even then why not Cakez first

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SirCakez: he seems content to let town destroy itself with minimal fuel added to the fire by him. He has not bothered to bat an eyelash at any of the non-pool players, which is scummy and also absolutely wasteful behavior. I also think his reads on me and Noraa are just awful for any situation, not just when we’re put into the arena like this. And this is the SOMEONE I spoke of just now. Scum.

Probably the best reasoning I can cite at this moment

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I couldn’t really tell what you were trying to say overall
I guess I’ll take another crack at it now

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Why the @cabd >:/
Also I’ve realized this for a while but if you view the angle bracket as eyebrows instead of horns like the intent is, that face looks a lot like Sunny

the > has always been and will always be eyebrows, ftr

The character in my avatar uses it as horns in-universe

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I don't think I'd want to see the iguanas in another challenge. definitely not any time soon.

Por que no?

what would we learn? if they show up in a later challenge then so be it, great if there's scum there. but there is a whole team to find and we have already had a tonne of analyzable content from those two slots, so no I don't think that would have been smart townplay in the least bit.

Looking at this now it makes more sense re: thinking me+Pooky have enough posts and not wanting us in a challenge because of that. I think the 4 in the first challenge having the most posts was a direct result of us being the challenge.

The best way to explain it is pretend I’m a vegan

I know me telling people to become a vegan because they’re killing animals and I’m so great will get me nowhere

So I don’t

Ninja-
I don’t know Lilith or starbuck

I know you three will shoot it down

Bulge will half listen bc he is used to me but agrees with you three

Cakez? Meh. I haven’t interacted with him much in any capacity

And the rest were directly involved in it all.

fwiw I think meta is at least more useful when it's not 90% of what the plist talks about.

I feel like I’ve been getting better at making points without putting meta into my arguments. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to slay that dragon entirely, though, I can only make myself less reliant on meta.

idk i feel bad and she seemed frustrated

im having a very empathetic emotional day ignore me

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Yeaaahhhh I’m gonna need an explanation on what this one means

Everything else in that sequence was not really worth engaging, but besides the last quoted post everything made sense on re-read