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I think this is right.In post 18, Ythan wrote:If we eliminate wrong in the 1v1 we lose, and to win we have to eliminate right in the 1v1 AND get the traitor. Right?- Vanderscamp
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I thought initially it's better to lynch into the pool first and then lynch into the dichotomy the next day, but I don't 100% remember.In post 16, Rockhopper wrote:unless I'm mistaken, the 1v1 between the shady and the one who they claim is the goon should be resolved first to reach our wincon.
But because of the no mislynch two days in a row rule I think this is the option that gives us the most room, although I could have calculated it wrong.- Vanderscamp
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I agree, although I think neither sounds particularly good.In post 14, Rockhopper wrote:right off the bat, I think Mom is bit more scummy.- Vanderscamp
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Yeah, I think it's definitely better to aim for the pool first.
In the world where we lynch correctly into the shady dichotomy but are having more trouble finding the traitor, it helps us to try and split up the days where we're traitor hunting as much as possible.
If we lynch incorrectly into the shady dichotomy we lose anyway so we might as well assume we get it correct for that purpose.- Vanderscamp
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Good to knowIn post 26, MiniMegabyte wrote:If I’m eliminated Mafia will win as I am a Town Shady- Vanderscamp
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Great insightsIn post 29, MiniMegabyte wrote:We have to eliminate the goon and find and eliminate the traitor too to win- Vanderscamp
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What do you mean?In post 45, Noraas Bakery wrote:
Dislike the vt claim on page 1 like .... dude chill.In post 14, Rockhopper wrote:right off the bat, I think Mom is bit more scummy.
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What do you think are the obvious reasons?In post 47, Noraas Bakery wrote:
This post makes me not want to elim mini today for obvious reasons.In post 26, MiniMegabyte wrote:If I’m eliminated Mafia will win as I am a Town Shady
Btw Mini is ur recovery coming along well?
My heart goes out to u and I hope u haz a speedy recovery!
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Who do you think is the goon?In post 54, Momrangal wrote:
I was thinking not you but not sure, not enough info. If I am town, do you see any motivation to push someone who isn't the goon?In post 37, Ythan wrote:Mini and Mom if you're both off the table for today who do you want for traitor?
All that aside, I didn't engage in any kind of 1v1.
Everyone is VT aside from flagbearer who doesn't even know that they are a flagbearerIn post 45, Noraas Bakery wrote:
Dislike the vt claim on page 1 like .... dude chill.In post 14, Rockhopper wrote:right off the bat, I think Mom is bit more scummy.
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Who do you think is the goon?In post 54, Momrangal wrote:
I was thinking not you but not sure, not enough info. If I am town, do you see any motivation to push someone who isn't the goon?In post 37, Ythan wrote:Mini and Mom if you're both off the table for today who do you want for traitor?
All that aside, I didn't engage in any kind of 1v1.
Everyone is VT aside from flagbearer who doesn't even know that they are a flagbearerIn post 45, Noraas Bakery wrote:
Dislike the vt claim on page 1 like .... dude chill.In post 14, Rockhopper wrote:right off the bat, I think Mom is bit more scummy.
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Who do you think is the goon?In post 54, Momrangal wrote:
I was thinking not you but not sure, not enough info. If I am town, do you see any motivation to push someone who isn't the goon?In post 37, Ythan wrote:Mini and Mom if you're both off the table for today who do you want for traitor?
All that aside, I didn't engage in any kind of 1v1.
Everyone is VT aside from flagbearer who doesn't even know that they are a flagbearerIn post 45, Noraas Bakery wrote:
Dislike the vt claim on page 1 like .... dude chill.In post 14, Rockhopper wrote:right off the bat, I think Mom is bit more scummy.
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???In post 56, Momrangal wrote:
I think I like this for townIn post 38, MiniMegabyte wrote:
Honestly it could be anyone that’s the scary thoughtIn post 37, Ythan wrote:Mini and Mom if you're both off the table for today who do you want for traitor?- Vanderscamp
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I think it's maybe towny.In post 59, Ythan wrote:Eh I think it's nai? Idk. There it is though make up your own mind.- Vanderscamp
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In post 81, Momrangal wrote:Ythan don't leave me in a room full of children, I'm drowning!
And don't ignore me
Nora, who is cakes AND posit this to him.
The traitor mechanic is atypical. Knowing that, the post he disagrees on feels like uninformed town
Don't go aligning mislynches now. I see a few town and scum motivations for what he did. What makes you think I would answer them when a posed a similar question to Ythan that has yet to be answeredIn post 60, Rockhopper wrote:
Why would town!shady lie about who the goon is?In post 56, Momrangal wrote:
I think I like this for townIn post 38, MiniMegabyte wrote:
Honestly it could be anyone that’s the scary thoughtIn post 37, Ythan wrote:Mini and Mom if you're both off the table for today who do you want for traitor?
Hah. Hahaha.In post 68, Vanderscamp wrote:Mom and mega are actually the two scummiest people in the thread for me at this point.
Have you even read so far? I mean if you have, I guess I'll entertain this... What would be the point in scummini bussing so soon? Especially when he has the option to win today?
Agree with cakes on this post. There's nothing really there. Can't even really call it IIOA, ATE or anythingIn post 69, Facebones wrote:This is a lot to try and wrap my head around
My brain isn't used to so much thinking, holy shit
I don't think you are both scum, I think you are both independently scummy.- Vanderscamp
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I'm going to say nor is not with MiniIn post 107, Noraas Bakery wrote:
Wait so you're an IC?In post 102, MiniMegabyte wrote:
Huh??? This makes no sense to me please explain how when announced in the beginning of the game that by the mod I’m the shady that I can be cc’ed.In post 75, Noraas Bakery wrote:Well I was assuming that she would get cc'ed if her claim were fake and she was a goon so I believe the claim unless she gets cc'ed.
Im confused again.
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I'm not sure why you think this, I do think you are probably right about Mom being town though.In post 113, Rockhopper wrote:If I'm right about Mom, I have more reason to think Vanders is the traitor.- Vanderscamp
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Why are you asking this?In post 111, Rockhopper wrote:
You think Momrangel is scum?In post 104, Facebones wrote:If Momrangal gets ganked and happens to be the town flagbearer I'm gonna be so super cross
Fuck oath- Vanderscamp
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Wait, were you being serious?In post 125, Facebones wrote:It's just a thank you post because I obviously had no idea about the point of the set up or how it worked. If Ythan hadn't told me what it was, I'd more than likely still be standing in the corner with drool coming out of my mouth. He's the real MVP.
Why? What else would it be? What are you implying? Huh?
That's a real question because I thought you were being sarcastic- Vanderscamp
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@Flea
By "pool" I meant the pool of people outside of the dichotomy, that's the group I want to lynch into today.
I don't remember why I read Mom as scummy, I no longer think this is the case. I think and thought Mini is scummy because they've done literally nothing at all other than give level 0 mechanical insights.- Vanderscamp
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VOTE: Facebones
I don't feel strongly about this, I feel (relatively) quite strongly that Mom is the good one in the dichotomy.
The only real thing I have on the non-dichotomy people is that nor seems unlikely to be with Mini, who I do think is evil.
Otherwise I think I actually would have voted nor here.- Vanderscamp
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@Rockhopper: how did you get that from 104 though?In post 168, Rockhopper wrote:
That's what I understood from 104In post 128, Vanderscamp wrote:
Why are you asking this?In post 111, Rockhopper wrote:
You think Momrangel is scum?In post 104, Facebones wrote:If Momrangal gets ganked and happens to be the town flagbearer I'm gonna be so super cross
Fuck oath
No reason, just thought it would spark some discussionIn post 137, Flea The Magician wrote:# Never Trust Trees
Actually playing GodlikeORE at the moment so no kaomojis, down to basics.
Spoiler: Setup Spec
Spoiler: ATTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!
Have fun
He's expressing a paranoid theory that mom gets ganked and dies as town, I don't get how you read that as a scum read.- Vanderscamp
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Oh!In post 169, Rockhopper wrote:
Oh, I missed this one.In post 137, Flea The Magician wrote:
Why? ¬.¬In post 14, Rockhopper wrote:right off the bat, I think Mom is bit more scummy.
I thought 11 implied TMI on Mini's alignment which I assumed she thought was common knowledge.
That was the post that I had a scumread on Mom for.
I agree with your interpretation.
Since then though I feel like Mom has tried to give analysis or thoughts of any kind, and Mini really hasn't.- Vanderscamp
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Why is rockhopper calling mini obv town and then flipping the read indicative of them being together?In post 190, Noraas Bakery wrote:
well, to clarify, he used to. then he like flipped it and I didn't really see a progression.In post 189, Noraas Bakery wrote:I'm thinking rockhopper who seems to think mini is obvtown or something is probs the partner
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I don't understand what you're doing?...In post 220, Flea The Magician wrote:VOTE: Ythan
You've assumed my list is my suspicions and asked to be added to it, you're now refusing to co-operate and not contributing to the game, soooooooo (☞ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)☞ Vote Time
The reason Ythan wanted to be on your list was because they thought it was a list of people who suspect you, and ythan said this immediately.
You're the one who is refusing to cooperate in this exchange by not acknowledging Ythan's very obvious rationale.- Vanderscamp
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I don't have a reason to townread you and I have vague reasons to not want to lynch other people.In post 249, Facebones wrote:
But why? Was it something I said?In post 243, Vanderscamp wrote:I really have no clue and am still happy voting facebones- Vanderscamp
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Nora had a post earlier where they seemed to genuinely think Mini was an IC, which did not sound like the two of them were partners.In post 255, Momrangal wrote:Mmm... I think my current playground is Nora/vander
This is my reason for not wanting to lynch Nora, since I believe Mini actually is the scum, and from your perspective you know it for sure.
Were you not sold on that post being legitimate?- Vanderscamp
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I'm not reading them town just because of being confused, it's specifically the thing that, if real, implies they're not scum with Mini.In post 258, Momrangal wrote:In the same vein, Flea should also be town and facebones and rock hopper both played those roles as well.
By POE that would leave you and Ythan as scum, and Ythan scum doesn't make sense to me because how he's approached the game.
The more probable conclusion would be that one or more of those those four who didn't know what was going on had overplayed it, and Nora took it to another level compared to the rest of them
I think it's possible one of the other players is scum with Mini and was genuinely confused about the set up because they didn't say anything to preclude them being together.- Vanderscamp
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I read Mom as town because I think Mini is extremely scummy.In post 279, Noraas Bakery wrote:halfway caught up. is there some reason people think mom or mini are town? I don't really lean either way on either anymore.
there's a lot of things that are bothering me from both and they can't both be scum.
Like Mini doesn't come in and say "Mom is scum" Mini just dances around this wagon and its like ... HUH.
And then Mom is not like convinced Mini is scum. It's like .... if ur town, and the shady is shading u, they should be like confscum from ur perspective, right?!
The setup is confusing me so bad cuz neither of them is acting the way I would expect them to if they're town in their situation. I still feel like I'm misreading the setup cuz nothing is making sense. Like neither person seems convinced the other is scum and that's just like ... weird as hell?
Mom's reasoning for TRing/TLing people are just like one sentence that basically just says "these people are towny"
I'm not liking what I see from mom tho I admit the SR on me has something to do with my dislike.
Mini never really called Mom scum and that's just strange as hell.
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Mini has literally not contributed a single original thought, perspective, or read for the entire duration of the game.
Mom is at least saying stuff other than "I'm voting the person I know to be scum."
I think Mom's slot could for sure be scum from how they've played, but I am never going to side with someone who is doing as little for town as what Mini is doing.- Vanderscamp
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I agree with this.In post 284, Ythan wrote:
To be clear if we hit scum today I think we should keep eliminating outside the 1v1 until we miss.In post 281, Momrangal wrote:Pedit: the game state decided collectively to leave shady and his target for D2 and nabbing the traitor and finding the goon for d1- Vanderscamp
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The only times it's possible to get to a traditional LYLO, we'd be in danger of losing to the two mislynches in a row rule anyway.In post 288, Ythan wrote:Or I guess if we get to lylo somehow idk if that's possible.- Vanderscamp
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I was going to say we get one of the two days we need to lose, but according to the win conditions that's not quite true: "Town eliminated twice in a row. Mafia wins"In post 309, Ythan wrote:Hm this is nightless what's even gonna happen if we nl.
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My current plan is to vote you unless you say something to change my mind.In post 337, mary44 wrote:
Why do you say this like you plan to vote for me no matter what I say?In post 333, Vanderscamp wrote:Mini/Mini's replacement, I plan on voting you after you have more time to talk.
It's disappointing that Mini is replacing out after a full game day of being here but providing no content.
You definitely could change my mind!- Vanderscamp
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In post 338, mary44 wrote:I think the best way to play this is probably convince you all momrangal is scum
I'll try and point out why she is in all of her glory
I completely agree with this btw, I had the same reaction to mom's post as you're talking about.In post 339, mary44 wrote:In post 10, Momrangal wrote:Plz, just a vt
It's not normal for a town VT to react like this. If you're being accused of being scum you're just going to assume the other person is the mafia shadyIn post 11, Momrangal wrote:I can sit and wait until he decides to vote the real goon though
That, or get lynched either or.
Momrangal shouldn't be considering mini is town here at all, it's like she's trying to look too open/uninformed about it because she thinks town would keep an open mind, but they wouldn't... they would just assume like I said
it's over the top basically
My problem with the dichotomy, if you're town, is that I think your previous slot was very scummy.
DK you have thoughts on why your previous slot was towny, or why they would play that way as town?- Vanderscamp
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I thought that post was mildly towny, but Mom's opening post was a lot scummier than that post was towny.In post 344, mary44 wrote:In post 67, Vanderscamp wrote:
I think it's maybe towny.In post 59, Ythan wrote:Eh I think it's nai? Idk. There it is though make up your own mind.
Saying it's maybe towny and then quickly clarifying he finds Momrangal as one of the scummiest players is a lil suspicious hereIn post 68, Vanderscamp wrote:Mom and mega are actually the two scummiest people in the thread for me at this point.
like he was afraid of potentially defending her in the first post and that looking bad later so felt the need to clarify he actually finds her scummy- Vanderscamp
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Thanks for your efforts!In post 351, mary44 wrote:ok pausing catchup here
i gotta get sleep and stuff
i'm really excited to play this and show you all momrangal is scum!!
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*DoIn post 357, mary44 wrote:
Who is DK?In post 353, Vanderscamp wrote:DK you have thoughts on why your previous slot was towny, or why they would play that way as town?- Vanderscamp
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In post 357, mary44 wrote:
Who is DK?In post 353, Vanderscamp wrote:DK you have thoughts on why your previous slot was towny, or why they would play that way as town?
I'd imagine it would have been the stuff your previous slot was saying.In post 364, mary44 wrote:In post 96, Vanderscamp wrote:I don't think you are both scum, I think you are both independently scummy.
what changed your mind? these are the only 2 posts momrangal made in that time:In post 127, Vanderscamp wrote:
I'm not sure why you think this, I do think you are probably right about Mom being town though.In post 113, Rockhopper wrote:If I'm right about Mom, I have more reason to think Vanders is the traitor.
In post 115, Momrangal wrote:Are people going to finally talk about the elephants in the room
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And if we get the 50/50 wrong, we lose, so we might as well do it on a day we would lose anyway.In post 374, Ythan wrote:We do the 1v1 today. I don't think our odds of hitting scum outside the 1v1 are better than 50/50 and if we miss today we lose.- Vanderscamp
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Yeah, I'm not talking about those posts.In post 378, Rockhopper wrote:
No, most of her previous posts were just confbiased views on Mom's alignement which would have been her motive regardless of hers.In post 356, Vanderscamp wrote:I think you are at least as towny as Mom has been fwiw- Vanderscamp
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@cake:In post 395, Noraas Bakery wrote:facebones townnot a fan of this day opening vote
or this one
I disagree I think scum have no idea what they're doing this gameIn post 363, mary44 wrote:rockhopper siding with momrangal is obviously very beneficial to him if he's scum but i actually don't think scum vote together so obviously like this
like it would make sense if it was to vote mini out cause that ends the game
but if it's on another townie then they'll just look sus for the next day when the game isn't over
i think this makes rock slightly more likely to be town
still not interested in elimming the Shady
I like mary44's posting and am down to yeet Mom. Noraa concurs.
I feel decent townbinning Vanderscamp also
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Additionally, if Mom is scum and there's only one other scum in the game, we'll win if we lynch Mom today and mislynch someone else before his partner, but not vice versa.- Vanderscamp
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Ah, thanks!In post 408, Ythan wrote:If you can, and don't already know about this, try highlighting a segment of text before you hit quote.- Vanderscamp
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I like it, it obviously seems pretty hard for good since it's clearly less than 50% to win with optimal lynches discounting reads.In post 492, JacksonVirgo wrote:Thoughts on this setup? It's my first open that I've designed and ran.
I feel it'd be WAY stronger with smaller day times.
But pro-scum setups are much more fun than pro-town setups anyway.
But I like it, would play again, or a similar set with the same theme.- Vanderscamp
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How is it pro-town?In post 502, Noraa wrote:
I thought it was pro-town actually. Say mini died today, we'd have one hell of a time winning. Like we'd have to get two in a row or parity(F2)In post 500, Vanderscamp wrote:
I like it, it obviously seems pretty hard for good since it's clearly less than 50% to win with optimal lynches discounting reads.In post 492, JacksonVirgo wrote:Thoughts on this setup? It's my first open that I've designed and ran.
I feel it'd be WAY stronger with smaller day times.
But pro-scum setups are much more fun than pro-town setups anyway.
But I like it, would play again, or a similar set with the same theme.
That'd be pretty hard.
Honestly, maybe making the flag bearer conftown is the way to break this hard setup cuz if mafia dies first, there will be more opportunity to lim town and two in a row isn't as difficult.
Like, obviously, if town wins the 50/50 they need to win in order to not lose the game, it should be easier for town.
But unless it's a 100% lock for town if they win the 50/50, then the setup mathematically favors scum if they have any chance of winning after they lose the 50/50. - Vanderscamp
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