Micro 989 - Never Trust Trees | Mafia Wins!

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Plz, just a vt

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I can sit and wait until he decides to vote the real goon though

That, or get lynched either or.

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Mini and Mom if you're both off the table for today who do you want for traitor?

I was thinking not you but not sure, not enough info. If I am town, do you see any motivation to push someone who isn't the goon?

All that aside, I didn't engage in any kind of 1v1.

right off the bat, I think Mom is bit more scummy.

Dislike the vt claim on page 1 like .... dude chill.

-nronor

Everyone is VT aside from flagbearer who doesn't even know that they are a flagbearer

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Mini and Mom if you're both off the table for today who do you want for traitor?

Honestly it could be anyone that’s the scary thought

I think I like this for town

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Ythan don't leave me in a room full of children, I'm drowning!

And don't ignore me

Nora, who is cakes AND posit this to him.

The traitor mechanic is atypical. Knowing that, the post he disagrees on feels like uninformed town

Mini and Mom if you're both off the table for today who do you want for traitor?

Honestly it could be anyone that’s the scary thought

I think I like this for town

Why would town!shady lie about who the goon is?

Don't go aligning mislynches now. I see a few town and scum motivations for what he did. What makes you think I would answer them when a posed a similar question to Ythan that has yet to be answered

Mom and mega are actually the two scummiest people in the thread for me at this point.

Hah. Hahaha.

Have you even read so far? I mean if you have, I guess I'll entertain this... What would be the point in scummini bussing so soon? Especially when he has the option to win today?

This is a lot to try and wrap my head around
My brain isn't used to so much thinking, holy shit

Agree with cakes on this post. There's nothing really there. Can't even really call it IIOA, ATE or anything

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Humor me the situation where we are both town

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Town

Noraa's Bakery
Ythan

Facebones
P
Rockhopper

Vanderscamp
FleaTheMagician

Scum

Best looked at on d2
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MiniMegabyte


I think this is what I wanna play with

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VOTE: vanderscamp

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Are people going to finally talk about the elephants in the room

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I think I'm gonna take back my town reads on noracakes

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And also, I can only sit and wait for so goddamn long. It seems like there are so many people this game who are avoiding talking about the set up, which should have been a topic to talk about from the start. It seems like there is confusion yet those who are confused are not doing anything to understand what's going on.


There are exactly three other oeople who have taken note of the set up and is keeping that in mind when it comes to how they approach this game.

Ythan has been made the effort to play with the set up and *finally* rock hopper.

And then there is minimegabyte who is avoiding game analysis only to continue to get a lynch off my slot. I'm about 50% sure it's scummini pushing a lynch on the flagbearer but I'm not willing to end the game today in the off chance that he's doing whatever gambit his mind comes up with. The game has been live for several days now but it seems like the only thing people aren't aware of the fact that tomorrow the game could end if we don't get engaged today

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Oh right, and then there's vander. Despite the fact I do have a scum read on that slot he is someone who is keeping in mind of the set up and how it could affect the came state. Also, the more I think about it, the more I'm realizing that my original tag of him seeming to line up mislynches doesn't make much sense soooo....

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At the same time, you also need to find and lynch the traitor to win but you don't seem interested in uncovering who that may be

I sorted the list on gut, I gave reasons on why I dropped my Noracakes read, and I literally just gave an update on my reads

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And I mean I guess I could give an A for effort but like.... You just restated what was in my post

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Also lotsa comments on how early a readlist was said but... Not comments on adding myself to it

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Pedit: this is why you're my best read

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who cares? we've already generally agreed to look outside the Shady

Not before this wall. Before this wall, everyone was mucking about doing jackall

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Ok wait so basically out of mini and mom, one will make us insta lose and one will make us insta win? something like that?
So if Mini is scum, Mom is flagbearer. So Mini die = half win. Mom die = lose
If mini town, mom is scum. So mini die = lose. Mom die = half win.

Are you and cake actually talking? Why hasn't he clarified this for you yet? I know he's around and posting in this thread

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Noorraaaa where arrreee youuuu???

Did someone get afeared?

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Nowai

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@jackson mass prod?

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I personally find it pretty hilarious s that fae misunderstood your post that so badly

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I also find it pretty rediculous that he keeps claiming Ythan is doing jack shit when half the game hasn't done jackall and he's one of the few who has

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I think scum is between flea, rock, nora, and vander with rock having the best chance of being town between those and fuck if I know for the other three. At least one there is wronf

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Eurg sorry, I'll try to aim for more than 50% tagging it

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Mmm... I think my current playground is Nora/vander

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In the same vein, Flea should also be town and facebones and rock hopper both played those roles as well.

By POE that would leave you and Ythan as scum, and Ythan scum doesn't make sense to me because how he's approached the game.

The more probable conclusion would be that one or more of those those four who didn't know what was going on had overplayed it, and Nora took it to another level compared to the rest of them

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I was suspicious on a lack of communication between the two heads, bit Nora's response there is reasonable enough but it feels like overall, she is playing a role, doing a facade to seem like a confused townie

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And then theres my read on you which I keep getting niggling suspicions that it's wrong but then that would need to be replaced with rock/flea/face all of whom posting nothing but NAI bull

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[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12438708]post 261[/url], Vanderscamp"]I'm not reading them town just because of being confused, it's specifically the thing that, if real, implies they're not scum with Mini.
I think it's possible one of the other players is scum with Mini and was genuinely confused about the set up because they didn't say anything to preclude them being together.[/quote]

This is a solid perspective.

As far as Ythan goes, I don't want to tunnel myself down into a paranoia hole too early. From game start, he was engaging, he was there and he was pushing the game forward when there wasn't a whole lot going on. As scum, specifically this game, it would be way to easy to join the masses and just screw around with the game. It isn't contrary to his meta to mess around either so he would not have been called out for that

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Ugh ..

There are quite a bit of scum reads on the fae but looking at their iso, there is a bit more game forward content in there. They... Not sure the gross misinterpretation of Ythans post and the retractions as they realized their mistake seems towny but there is a lot of picking there

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Pedit: the game state decided collectively to leave shady and his target for D2 and nabbing the traitor and finding the goon for d1

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VOTE: Rockhopper

Between him and face, I think he's the more likely scum

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I also think it doesn't help that like, nobody still not doing a thinf

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I'll be on standby, though so I guess I'll hammer if needed

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Facebones is at L-2

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I am around to hammer as I said

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And it doesn't help when half the game is like, not around help get them sorted

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I've done what I could, I can't do much else without people to interact with

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I hate to point it out, but mini and rock both are gone... Neither have posted in 48 hours

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I propose a deadline freeze?

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VOTE: facebones

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Day 1.2?

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VOTE: mini

Ugh

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I don't know what else to do
I don't know what else to say.
All day, all work no play
Pulling hairs all along the way.
I've said my piece, I've done my due
I don't know what else to do

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Actions speak louder than words they say
And all I can do is hope and pray
That all my actions have been enough
To prove who I am,
That my heart rings true
My life is in the hands of strangers
And by this time tomorrow, should they chose right
The innocence revealed but the battle ever going
A shining light in the darkness
I can do nothing but hope
Hope to survive
And hope by the morrow
My skills as a leader leads us through this fight

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My heart aflutter but I shall not bend
This advisary I face
I shall face to the end
This creeping darkness all around me
They try and they try to snuff out my light
But the life of others
They lie on my shoulders
I carry the burden only
Should I fail this day
Should I fail at this time
To shine my righteous light
The building we all stand it
Surely it will crumble
Leaving nothing but corpses
Not a sound to be heard.
If I fall here
They all fall with me
And they don't even know me
Their life in my hands
And they don't even know me

Pedit: poem breakers the lot of you
How thou art dare
To break the telling of my story

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Mud gets flinged left and right
That's how she wants to play this fight
What she knows not
Is the color of my belt
Confusion is never present
How one plays is suggestive
What one fails to keep in mind,
That Start of Day one
Information is all but vacant
To push the game to end as soon as it starts
Brings benefit to none but one

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How easy it would be
To push a slot with no activity
It might have been good
It might have been grand
Except for one tiny little thing
The information would be limited
Day 2 leaving me
With naught but people looking at me
Looking for guidance
Looking for answers
None that I could give
Because other slots have not been mentioned
One other scum exist outside the one I knew
And I need to know what others knew too
Shady knew not, who his team to be
Shady couldn't afford
To hunt the way I could be
An accidental bus
An accidental lynch
All a possibility
Bringing him further away
From his desire to win.
The best bet there
Is to kill the one with the flag
Get a win from the first day
To remove any way
To keep the sun from rising

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not a fan of this day opening vote

Am I supposed to be happy in a mylo situation on day two when all of day one no information was gained despite all my effort to try and make some!

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That's supposed to be a question mark but damn, I don't like the fact that people are acting like lynching wrong today means that we lose the game

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Aren't. They aren't acting like today is an effectual mylo

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A healthy dose of paranoia
They say is something one should have
With shadows walking,
With trees talking
Healthy dose of paranoia
That's all I have
Seeing is believing
Believing is seeing
But I don't want to see
See what's right in front of me

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The fight was inevitable
I know what I know
She knows what she knows
But the evidence
Where could it be?
The evidence to prove who is right
The evidence so they can choose
Choose who should win this fight.
That evidence is all but wasted
Gone with the wind
But I can't be complacent
There must be something that I can do
But I don't know what to do

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Both sides have one supporter
But how
How to persuade the others?

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Lol thw fuck was I just derp hammered

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Gg scum

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Goddammit nora

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Nora/hopper?

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Also goddammit flea

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Well duh

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Y'know paranoia really sucks

Pedit: fae voted in a mylo!

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The poems were really the only way I could keep my composure

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I am the mother of hydrae

I can spot a hydrae faking comm

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Idk how much of what you said is true but I did feel like there was anpack of communication between you two though which could have had many reasons

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Ok wait so basically out of mini and mom, one will make us insta lose and one will make us insta win? something like that?
So if Mini is scum, Mom is flagbearer. So Mini die = half win. Mom die = lose
If mini town, mom is scum. So mini die = lose. Mom die = half win.

Are you and cake actually talking? Why hasn't he clarified this for you yet? I know he's around and posting in this thread

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Lolol

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The communication as scum hydrae is the hardest thing, and a kind of reservation in play because like, it isn't only you that has to answer for it, your partner has to as well

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Well, that's fair but next time don't lie about it

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... gal/Hydras

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I don't think anyone has topped the amount of hydrae I have

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It was pretty solid play, ngl. There wasn't any information to use to get town to vote right

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???? Now I'm confused

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glares

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I was as motivated as one could get this game

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I agree the setup is town sided, but you can't make the flagbearer an effective IC because that will make it clear that were dealing with scum shady and scum will lose a wincon because we can't get the flagbearer lynched

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Scum-sided*