Micro 989 - Never Trust Trees | Mafia Wins!

[mary44]

hi everyone!!!

[mary44]

I've read how the setup works and like the first 2 pages
Can confirm momrangel is a very evil goon

[mary44]

Mini/Mini's replacement, I plan on voting you after you have more time to talk.
It's disappointing that Mini is replacing out after a full game day of being here but providing no content.

Why do you say this like you plan to vote for me no matter what I say?

[mary44]

I think the best way to play this is probably convince you all momrangal is scum
I'll try and point out why she is in all of her glory

[mary44]

Plz, just a vt

I can sit and wait until he decides to vote the real goon though

That, or get lynched either or.

It's not normal for a town VT to react like this. If you're being accused of being scum you're just going to assume the other person is the mafia shady
Momrangal shouldn't be considering mini is town here at all, it's like she's trying to look too open/uninformed about it because she thinks town would keep an open mind, but they wouldn't... they would just assume like I said
it's over the top basically

[mary44]

right off the bat, I think Mom is bit more scummy.

yes!!

[mary44]

If I’m eliminated Mafia will win as I am a Town Shady

We have to eliminate the goon and find and eliminate the traitor too to win

I think Mini is quite a simple type haha
She was trying to tell you all how it was

[mary44]

Mini and Mom if you're both off the table for today who do you want for traitor?

Honestly it could be anyone that’s the scary thought

I think I like this for town

I can't tell if this is a joke...
I don't think it is?
This is more perspective slipping where Momrangal is leaving waaaaay too much room for Mini being town when she really would not be genuinely thinking that if she was town
how could Mini ever be town if Momrangal is VT? Mini is reaction testing? She clearly doesn't seem like the type from her posts so far so there's no reason for Momrangal to hold this opinion!!

[mary44]

smirk

Nobody blow it.

Eh I think it's nai? Idk. There it is though make up your own mind.

I think this reaction is probably not her partner

[mary44]

Eh I think it's nai? Idk. There it is though make up your own mind.

I think it's maybe towny.

Mom and mega are actually the two scummiest people in the thread for me at this point.

Saying it's maybe towny and then quickly clarifying he finds Momrangal as one of the scummiest players is a lil suspicious here
like he was afraid of potentially defending her in the first post and that looking bad later so felt the need to clarify he actually finds her scummy

[mary44]

Well I was assuming that she would get cc'ed if her claim were fake and she was a goon so I believe the claim unless she gets cc'ed.

Huh
This is a potential townslip since her understanding of the setup is this minimal
you'd assume scum would've talked it through to some extent in their PT
actually then again Momrangal clearly doesn't have knowledge of the optimal way to play this going off of her being too open about Mini's alignment so maybe not haha
this is probably just nai

[mary44]

Don't go aligning mislynches now. I see a few town and scum motivations for what he did. What makes you think I would answer them when a posed a similar question to Ythan that has yet to be answered

Lining up mislynches on someone she should know is scum...
right.......
I know I'm trying to show you all why she's scum because I

know

she is but this is actually pretty obvious :P

[mary44]

Humor me the situation where we are both town

Momrangal momrangal momraaaangaaaal

[mary44]

Then I guess Mini is trolling.

See there's nothing to suggest that is the thing
Mini reads as a straight serious player so there's no good reason for momrangal to think she would be trolling

[mary44]

That... that's a pretty well sorted reads list （○□○）bit early ain't it?

\_(^_^)_/

[mary44]

MiniMegabyte has information, correct?

The only information I have is who the goon is and that is momrangal. Which is why I am voting there as I said earlier

hahaha
this is certainly one way to play the game
i'm fulfilling your destiny!

[mary44]

ok pausing catchup here
i gotta get sleep and stuff
i'm really excited to play this and show you all momrangal is scum!!
having a free cop guilty from the start of the game feels amazing :D

[mary44]

DK you have thoughts on why your previous slot was towny, or why they would play that way as town?

Who is DK?

[mary44]

I think you are at least as towny as Mom has been fwiw

Momrangal has been towny? Didn't feel like it in the first 5 pages :p
ok well i just woke up so catchup will continue later today or tonight probably

[mary44]

I don't think I do...

[mary44]

i'm like half free now may as well do some distracted catching up
anyone here to keep me company?

[mary44]

If Momrangal gets ganked and happens to be the town flagbearer I'm gonna be so super cross
Fuck oath

I kinda get why Facebones was the first elim...

If Momrangal gets ganked and happens to be the town flagbearer I'm gonna be so super cross
Fuck oath

This post is sending me weird vibes. I'm honestly fine with a serious vote on Facebones.

I'm not sure I see what Ythan sees in Momrangal and Mini but that may be due to my lack of understanding the setup. I'll try to figure it out.

-nornor

liking NB more for matching my thoughts on this!

On a second read, I think Mom is pretty towny of the two because it makes little sense for them as scum to have that kind of a reaction to Mini's claim. It's just gut right now but I can elaborate if needed.
I also have {Ythan, NoraaCake} for town so that leaves me with {Face, Flea, Vander} by PoE.

it makes no sense as

town

to have that reaction
it makes sense as scum because she's faking it because she thinks it'll make her look better
please do elaborate if you didn't already after this :3

[mary44]

Eh, idk.
VOTE: Vanderscamp

Dislike 68.

VOTE: vanderscamp

rockhopper siding with momrangal is obviously very beneficial to him if he's scum but i actually don't think scum vote together so obviously like this
like it would make sense if it was to vote mini out cause that ends the game
but if it's on another townie then they'll just look sus for the next day when the game isn't over
i think this makes rock slightly more likely to be town

[mary44]

I don't think you are both scum, I think you are both independently scummy.

If I'm right about Mom, I have more reason to think Vanders is the traitor.

I'm not sure why you think this, I do think you are probably right about Mom being town though.

what changed your mind? these are the only 2 posts momrangal made in that time:

VOTE: vanderscamp

Are people going to finally talk about the elephants in the room

[mary44]

And then there is minimegabyte who is avoiding game analysis only to continue to get a lynch off my slot. I'm about 50% sure it's scummini pushing a lynch on the flagbearer but I'm not willing to end the game today in the off chance that he's doing whatever gambit his mind comes up with. The game has been live for several days now but it seems like the only thing people aren't aware of the fact that tomorrow the game could end if we don't get engaged today

haha what town awkwardly shades someone they should know is scum like this? :3
it's really really unbelievable (well i know it's not true but from your perspectives) that momrangal is only 50% sure mini is scum
mini does not read like the type of player to pull gambits at all

[mary44]

the scum motivation in this is to look like she's not completely informed on mini's alignment because town isn't but scum is, but she's way overdoing it

[mary44]

# Never Trust Trees

Actually playing GodlikeORE at the moment so no kaomojis, down to basics.

Spoiler: Setup Spec

Honestly, I have no clue about what role a traitor would have.

2 miselims and we're toast.

Sorting Mom and MiniMegabyte are a PRIORITY in this game.

Spoiler: ATTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!

This setup is fucked I have no clue what's going to happen next.

Why not ask questions and gain opinions then? ¬.¬

right off the bat, I think Mom is bit more scummy.

Why? ¬.¬

unless I'm mistaken, the 1v1 between the shady and the one who they claim is the goon should be resolved first to reach our wincon.

I thought initially it's better to lynch into the pool first and then lynch into the dichotomy the next day, but I don't 100% remember.
But because of the no mislynch two days in a row rule I think this is the option that gives us the most room, although I could have calculated it wrong.

Which pool? Define your pools for me!

If I’m eliminated Mafia will win as I am a Town Shady

Convince me.

We have to eliminate the goon and find and eliminate the traitor too to win

So who is what? 6 pages of stuff to read, give me your early solve and why.

VOTE: Noraa's Bakery
wagon timeeee

Why?

Mini and Mom if you're both off the table for today who do you want for traitor?

Honestly it could be anyone that’s the scary thought

I think I like this for town

Question dodging though, I don't like it.
Can you both answer the question?

Mom and mega are actually the two scummiest people in the thread for me at this point.

Why? Elaborate for me please?

This is a lot to try and wrap my head around
My brain isn't used to so much thinking, holy shit

VOTE: facebones
scummy post

-cake

Why is it scummy?

Town

Noraa's Bakery
Ythan

Facebones
P
Rockhopper

Vanderscamp
FleaTheMagician

Scum

Best looked at on d2
Momrangal
MiniMegabyte


I think this is what I wanna play with

This piqued my interest first time around, how have you sorted this list? Can you give a brief reasoning why?

Flea that post you just made gives me the heebie jeebies.

In seriousness, why?

That... that's a pretty well sorted reads list （○□○）bit early ain't it?

............TMI? Or Noraa paranoia soda? :/

-nornor

Tell me what you're thinking my dear sweet cakey nora

If Momrangal gets ganked and happens to be the town flagbearer I'm gonna be so super cross
Fuck oath

This post is sending me weird vibes. I'm honestly fine with a serious vote on Facebones.

I'm not sure I see what Ythan sees in Momrangal and Mini but that may be due to my lack of understanding the setup. I'll try to figure it out.

-nornor

Stop drinking the soda and share what you're thinking nornor

VOTE: vanderscamp

NEKKID! why?

Are people going to finally talk about the elephants in the room

Dunno, are you? Elaborate for me.

Have fun

i don't really like this post because it's soooo many questions and very few takes
busyworkometer is going off!

[mary44]

In seriousness, why?

It was senseless in a bad way. It was a bad post that I can not see a good reason for making.

Raising an eyebrow at something that seems odd when we're hardly out of RVS is bad?

only to continue to get a lynch off my slot.

The is is because the only information I have is that you are the goon! So of course right now I’m going to try and eliminate your slot

I have questions for you in my attttaaaaxck spoiler

ok i like that fae is actually expanding on and chasing the questions up though
shows there's some intent to solve there

[mary44]

We should be looking for the traitor today and saving the 1v1 for when we've just hit a misyeet and will lose anyway on a second consecutively.

Pedit: this is why you're my best read

<3

yeah ythan probably isn't her partner
that pedit is most likely trying to pocket

[mary44]

right off the bat, I think Mom is bit more scummy.

Why? ¬.¬

Oh, I missed this one.
I thought 11 implied TMI on Mini's alignment which I assumed she thought was common knowledge.

Oh!
That was the post that I had a scumread on Mom for.
I agree with your interpretation.

Since then though I feel like Mom has tried to give analysis or thoughts of any kind, and Mini really hasn't.

idk what mini was doing honestly
i'll look through her previous games to see
i'll probably find something to show she does this as town

[mary44]

so this was her last game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=34876
it was actually in a hydra with our mod for this game haha
but they were town and she only made like 8 posts in 4 days (not kidding) so that should tell you guys that her lack of solving here is nai at worst

[mary44]

YODEL-HE-HEEE-HOOOOOO!!!

Hey Ythan why you wanna be on my list? I cant do my thing now until you respond

Don't make excuses.

If you were going to do something you've had plenty of time.

yeah but I asked you a question

You're free to behave as you like, as is the rest of the playerlist.

And now I'm behaving like this ╭(♡･ㅂ･)و ̑̑

Why'd you wanna be on my list?

My post was mind numbingly self explanatory.

Well now I want a mind numbing explaination.

Do you wish for me to suspect you?

I literally just posted my TODO list without any context and you want on the list

Same though, I don't see much from you.

Like if you're going on the list you're going on the top of it, so tell me, do you really want to be on the list without context?

If that's just a list of people who suspect you please add me.

Read please. This has gone on for a page because you didn't.

I like real time interactions though ( ˃̶͈ ̯ ̜ ˂̶͈ˊ ) ︠³

my gut feeling is that Flea is acting in bad faith in this interaction
it seemed obvious to me what point Ythan was making (those 3 people scumread you, if that's how your list is made, then add me!)
and Flea is being... weirdly oblivious about it in faer questioning
it just feels off

[mary44]

Well so Mini's replacement's first few posts were not that great but then they got better and I'm understanding what they say more.
Is today the day we do the 1v1 or are we still not doing the 1v1?
Atm I definitely think I prefer launching mom with their terrible read on me. Mary is looking better and better.

-nornor

hi!
what wasn't great about my first few posts?

[mary44]

Because there's really no reason for scum!mom to fake analysis on town!you like that.
Why would Mom accuse you of lying as town instead of just scumreading you right away for the same?

It could just be some clever orchestration but I think it's much likelier that she was just a confused townie at the start.
Didn't you make a point about Noraa townslipping a few posts before? How's this any different?

It wasn't just one moment of being "confused"
It was consistently considering the possibility for a large part of the day and only having her as 50% scum even like a good way in
the reason is to look open and towny for it and it looks like it's worked somewhat!
noraa was confused about the setup but i think it's nai
momrangal was confused about the best way to

approach

the slot she's supposed to know is scum

[mary44]

I think you are at least as towny as Mom has been fwiw

No, most of her previous posts were just confbiased views on Mom's alignement which would have been her motive regardless of hers.

What do you think of my opinions on other players?
I've been commenting on everything I find AI
would appreciate an opinion :3

[mary44]

I use Blizzard

[mary44]

are you saying you were pretending to be open about mini as a reaction test?
Mary uses Air Slash!

[mary44]

DK you have thoughts on why your previous slot was towny, or why they would play that way as town?

Who is DK?

*Do

I don't know what Mini's thought process was but my guess is that they tunnel visioned on what they knew (momrangal scum) when they should've tried looking for her partner rather than repeating the same thing over and over

[mary44]

VOTE: mini

Ugh

Oh yeah this 'ugh' doesn't really make sense if momrangal is town btw
why is she ughing at voting someone she knows is scum
she should be ELATED
oh i guess it could be meant at facebones flipping green
it comes after she places the vote in the order of the post though
idk i'm probably overanalysing this now

[mary44]

I disagree I think scum have no idea what they're doing this game

still not interested in elimming the Shady
I like mary44's posting and am down to yeet Mom. Noraa concurs.

why do you think so?

happy you've seen the light though!!!! let's banish the demon spawn back to the shadow realm :3

[mary44]

Nah I'm looking for my Virtual Computer

I'm happy enough with Marys play to take that side, just wondering how votes are looking.

None haha
I haven't even voted her yet
VOTE: momrangal
I

have

voted her yet

[mary44]

I'll probably finish catching up tonight and hopefully get a reasonable sense of who her partner is
I was thinking Vander/Flea so far but they both seem reasonable? as in willing to vote momrangal which would be very strange for scum to do right now
there's going for the win now by elimming me or bussing and playing for the super long con
super long con is exhausting though

[mary44]

i'm enjoying the storytelling :3

[mary44]

:3
how'd you alt snipe me Noraa