revO emaG - TENET

[Spiffeh]

I have been sent from another dimension

[Spiffeh]

I can also be convinced fairly easily to vote spiffeh, i think

Off to a bad start skitter!

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE: Almost50

This is still scum

[Spiffeh]

I have not read 90% of this thread but Almost50 is the only player that I have confidently scum read this game and will not rest until he is dead or someone convincingly explains why anyone else is a better vote

[Spiffeh]

peta I have not paid much attention but even if superbowl scum claimed over here I still would have pressed the button

[Spiffeh]

I can also be convinced fairly easily to vote spiffeh, i think

Off to a bad start skitter!

Then be townier

p. much every time I have seen you give a read on me you have been proclaiming me as town

Can you explain what led you to no longer feel that way?

[Spiffeh]

I remember why we called this the bad thread now

[Spiffeh]

I liked that you started off like on p1 softing the same way i did but that wont cut it at this stage anymore, and i hate that you tried for the 'clear the forwards thread as scum' thing, and you had a gross post regreting it upon it becoming obvious that it wouldnt work. Honestly mostly off of that post, i can quote it if necessary

Pedit ceph i hope you're ok!!!

I would love if you could quote the posts you are referencing

I understand reevaluating at this stage especially with how the game is currently going but your timing to drop this read on me seems convenient

I can see a world where you're scum here and the world is closing around you and you broadening your pool of targets might help you deal with that

[Spiffeh]

Ftr my reads in the Forwards thread I expressed in the Purple Room

{Dunnstral, Brian Skies}
{Gypyx}
{Bell, Annie Edison, Hench Princesses}
{zMuffinMan}

Muffin flipping scum means I'm practically certain there is scum in Bell, Annie, HP

[Spiffeh]

notty's play completely deteriorated after being saved form the lim here and being sent to forwards thread where devoted his time to appeasing Cabd/ffery

I'm interested to hear Dandelion/Deacon's thoughts on Annie Edison as of now

[Spiffeh]

lol the world aint closing around any scum itg wtf is that post

I am talking about skitter specifically who has been on the chopping bloc for basically the whole game

[Spiffeh]

Ftr my reads in the Forwards thread I expressed in the Purple Room

{Dunnstral, Brian Skies}
{Gypyx}
{Bell, Annie Edison, Hench Princesses}
{zMuffinMan}

Muffin flipping scum means I'm practically certain there is scum in Bell, Annie, HP

Your reads for your thread literally mirror mine, how does your critique of my reads even make sense ...

Skitter your reads have nothing to do with anything?

Your scum read on me stuck out because every time I have seen you mention me it has been as a town read (that you never really explained), and all of a sudden I am scum

Now how I handled Titus was scummy
Now you're discrediting my reasons for suspecting you by claiming I'm critiquing your reads

I believe scum!skitter has incentive to do this because you have been a popular target for the entire game and having another mislim option can only benefit you

Additionally, I STILL think Doctor/Watcher/IC is a broken combination and while Bell is in my list of PoE suspects I am more inclined to believe the scum over there is within Annie Edison or HP

Can you elaborate on why you think A50 is town or point me to a post where you have?

[Spiffeh]

To be fair the Titus thing I could have just been a reevaluation based on her town flip

Other points still stand though

[Spiffeh]

hi ffery

If they want they can turnstile him back but I don't think he's scum and there are enough juicy lim targets over here

We barely had two pages in the Purple Room last night, all we really did was exchange reads lists and reasons for each person

I'm bad at neighborhoods

I'm curious what your thoughts are on Annie Edison atm?

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE: petapan

[Spiffeh]

Your hop onto me seemed opportunistic sry

If it makes you feel better I want A50 dead over anyone else!

[Spiffeh]

peta can you explain your change of heart at the top of this page?

[Spiffeh]

peta, Annie Edison literally cased me with their first post in the other thread and I could see scum trying to capitalize on that pressure and bring it to the forefront over here

I also feel your unvote could have been an attempt to appease me after realizing I wasn't such an easy target after I went after skitter for DARING to suspect me

[Spiffeh]

also remembering the early game stuff

BELL STAY OVER THERE I LEFT SO I WOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH YOU PARTYPOOPERS ANYMORE

[Spiffeh]

Have you met me?

[Spiffeh]

Also the 'DARING to suspect me' part was a joke

[Spiffeh]

FB I hope you're not just complimenting me and buttering me up so I overlook you

Because it's working

[Spiffeh]

I'm gonna need everyone in the Forwards thread to keep my name out of their mouths

[Spiffeh]

i'm not super happy with spiffeh's opening here on that slot i think his 6410 in particular is weak

I explained why I felt that way in the post following that, I admit opportunistic is a little dramatic but I wanted to make it STING

And you have to remember that I am coming into this blind for the most part and something you may see as 'weak' and unworthy of my reaction is actually being done so I can gauge how petapan would respond to it

On that note I think superbowl has entered the other thread with a similar mindset and getting unfairly scum read for it

I highly doubt he as scum would put someone at L-1 so quickly, for instance. It would put a lot of unnecessary attention on him when, given the thread state he could probably take a more passive approach and fly under the radar

[Spiffeh]

Hey skitter:

But this was probably a townie reaction so i'll unvote for now
VOTE: spiffeh

This was your conclusion after my interaction with you earlier and I have not posted since then

What changed your mind? The fact that so many players are calling for my head and my lim is probably more of a likelihood than you initially thought?!?!?!??!?

[Spiffeh]

ffery I think myself and superbowl switching spots at the very least has garnered a lot of discussion around us which has translated for a decent amount of readable content for me, why would you regret it?

[Spiffeh]

@skitter It's true though

I was not even a consideration over there yesterday and while that could have been because I was the designated Purple Roomer that shouldn't have stopped anyone from at least explaining their opinions on me/engaging me if they had a problem

Hench Princesses and Brian off the top of my head had town reads on me and now they have both pretty much done 180's on those opinions, which isn't bad on it's own because reevaluation is natural, but I can't help but feel that this being a pretty much universal take in both threads could make it intentional, just like how I feel you or peta coming after me here today could be scum-motivated

And idc if that sounds ego-centric or I'm heavily scum read for it because that's how I'm reading the situation, I feel I excel at identifying scum by how they treat me and there's some funky shit going on

[Spiffeh]

I especially fucking hate HP and Brian trying to write off my push on A50 as S/S when I asked Brian (and I think HP too? memory is foggy on them) several times to elaborate on his A50 town read and he refused to and both were happy to turnstile A50 out of harm's way early on Day 2

If A50 does flip scum (hint: he will) I would definitely want to look into these two as potential scum buddies

[Spiffeh]

More Hench Princesses than Brian though, Brian still nets out to an overall town read

He is pissing me off though

[Spiffeh]

Look now you guys have me doing pre-flip associatives this is what the world has come to

[Spiffeh]

If i had a gun to my head right now asked to name scum on this side i would probably say: dandelion, skitter, midwaybear, and maybe almost50

midway bear is currently a nonentity to me, can you explain why you're scumreading him?

Also Dandelion is town

You got at least one, maybe two otherwise though!

[Spiffeh]

in hindsight i probably shouldn't be giving spiffeh a pass for sheer total incuriosity; having a50 as his sole scumread is also pretty shite

You are misrepresenting me here

I did not have any confident scum reads coming into this thread because I have not read the majority of it. A50 and I started in the same thread and yes, he has been my only CONFIDENT scum read in this game and stand by it. If you disagree and are town reading him I would love to know why

Additionally, it should be clear from my brief time here that I don't have the warmest, fuzziest feelings about you or skitter so A50 isn't even my sole scum read anymore

[Spiffeh]

LLD's string of posts this game phase are probably the most I've ever town read her in any game ever, btw

[Spiffeh]

I don't understand the timing problem for that post because that happened after A50 was turnstiled and I, like the majority of the players over there, thought we had a good shot at getting the all-clear and that didn't happen

When presented with information that our thread was not clear I thought switching gears would be a good idea? If anything it's stating the obvious but it's just how I felt idk what to tell you

PEdit: @skitter

[Spiffeh]

Writing off A50 is such an unreasonable and ridiculous take given the state of the game and anyone my A50 scum read against me is bad or just scum

Even if you're townreading him, he has 27 posts in this thread and significant reevaluation should be taking place given we haven't hit scum once. He can no longer be written off because "oh that's A50".

Yes I have not cased him or really elaborated on my read there and I should do that, but that's no excuse for shutting me down every time I ask why he's being town read when at this point we should be

ENCOURAGING engagement with him given he has done jack shit

[Spiffeh]

I am strongly town reading Dandelion Wine and I know both heads stated they currently have other priorities but they need to get out of the neighborhood and start doing shit in here TIA

[Spiffeh]

Writing off A50 is such an unreasonable and ridiculous take given the state of the game and anyone my A50 scum read against me is bad or just scum

Even if you're townreading him, he has 27 posts in this thread and significant reevaluation should be taking place given we haven't hit scum once. He can no longer be written off because "oh that's A50".

Yes I have not cased him or really elaborated on my read there and I should do that, but that's no excuse for shutting me down every time I ask why he's being town read when at this point we should be

ENCOURAGING engagement with him given he has done jack shit

quoting for visibility

[Spiffeh]

I'm asking all of you to reevaluate your town reads on him

I am open to reevaluating my read there too, evidenced by my several requests for reasons why people are townreading him that have gone unanswered

He is a scum read that has had literally no attention so this is actually the time to shove him down everyone's throats

[Spiffeh]

petapan I don't understand why you don't recognize that you can have a scum read on me and also not shit on every single attempt I make to push A50 into the limelight?

Maybe allowing A50 to respond to my pressure himself would help you get a more solid read on both of us?

But you're concerned with painting literally everything I do in a scummy light so I guess that thought hasn't crossed your mind

[Spiffeh]

town reads on petapan are no longer tolerated

[Spiffeh]

ffery what are your thoughts on peta's recent posting?

[Spiffeh]

Skitter I think that's fair and I appreciate you actually engaging me about it instead of just JUST calling my read bad and everything I do scummy like your pal PETAPAN

I want A50 to engage with the thread before I commit there obviously, but you're free to peruse my ISO early on in Forwards for my reasons for scum reading him

Even though you'll probably call them bad

[Spiffeh]

skitter's approach to me here has been p. town actually

Maybe Bell is the scum in that pair after all!

[Spiffeh]

This game is kinda pissing me off maybe I'll lurk the rest of the Day

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE: Turnstile - skitter

[Spiffeh]

I am gonna just start treating this gme as a blog.

I support this

[Spiffeh]

I will take a look skitter

[Spiffeh]

Also that scum team includes me which automatically invalidates all of your opinions for 24 hours

[Spiffeh]

Also that scum team includes me which automatically invalidates all of your opinions for 24 hours

I am actually lol-ing I crack myself up

[Spiffeh]

skitter chill I am literally in bed on my phone shitposting

This is the most fun I've had in this game don't take it away from me

[Spiffeh]

notty why couldn't we banter like this when we were in the same time stream

[Spiffeh]

skitter can you quote me the A50 town read explanation again?

[Spiffeh]

That is a good list LLD

[Spiffeh]

I don't think both skitter and Bell are scum though

[Spiffeh]

spiffey congrats on ur latest scum win

uh if you're talking about Pooky vs. FL we literally conceded lol

[Spiffeh]

@mod work is annoying this week V/LA til Friday 1/8

skitter I appreciate your A50 post. It looks like a lot of the reason you're townreading him is because he handled you in a manner that you think comes from town!A50, which is understandable because I find it easiest to get reads on people through their interactions with me. I also think the long A50 post at the end doesn't look bad and in a vacuum I would townread that.

However, I think in the posts you quoted above talking to Deacon about your A50 read that you telegraphed pretty hard how you were going to approach reading him. Do you think it's possible he was aware of this and, given your history, knew exactly what to say and how to approach you to get you to town read him?

What specifically in that post makes it more likely to come from town!A50 than scum!A50 given your experience with him?

Additionally, how do you view his inactivity and lack of engagement here? Is that something that has been alignment indicative of him in the past?

[Spiffeh]

Has midwaybear given any reason to be townread in previous days?

Cuz I'm not feeling it from what I've read from him today and it seems like he's not even in consideration?

[Spiffeh]

ok midwaybear is lockscum

[Spiffeh]

Can you do that into the thread now?

[Spiffeh]

I invited ffery to a meta dance date about spiffeh using the new data we have on hand.

lmk how it goes unless you come to the conclusion that I'm scum in which case ignore meta completely

[Spiffeh]

no Firebringer I would be so devastated at such accusations that I would do less than I am doing now

[Spiffeh]

You are more than welcome to ask me questions if you want me to do more

I think I've really hit the ground running over here given I missed 250 pages so idk why you feel that way tbh

[Spiffeh]

I have not lived up to my Paragon title since I got it

The only times I live up to it are when I'm bussing as scum

[Spiffeh]

no Firebringer I would be so devastated at such accusations that I would do less than I am doing now

did you feel personally aggrieved when i insulted your scumhunting

Nah I am hoping you're scum and you don't actually mean what you're saying!

[Spiffeh]

Ok I'm scum and bussing A50 vote for him pls

[Spiffeh]

I don't really think skitter is scum anymore :/

May I offer up petapan in her stead?

[Spiffeh]

im trying to figure out if spiffeh legit got his feelings hurt because that'd probably be townie although it's hard to reconcile when is rude about ur gameplay as i was to him

I am scum reading you independently of your comments about my play, but I admittedly get slightly triggered when people bring up me previously being Paragon when I have a bad game because that's been happening nonstop for the past three years

You're not the one who brought up me being Paragon though so I don't blame you for that

[Spiffeh]

Hi A50!

Who is scum and why?

[Spiffeh]

@Players in both threads who played in Pooky vs Flavor Leaf:

Could you share your thoughts on Spiffeh and Bell, here vs there?

I also encourage everyone to do this because I like when the conversation revolves around me!

As for Bell, I read less than 10 of his posts that game because we were scum buddies so I don't know if I can even answer this question, I do feel that his Day 1 here was a lot more natural and aggressive (mainly with the shelly push) where in Pooky vs. FL he wasn't like that and really only doing the bare minimum to get by. However I wouldn't put it past scum!Bell to recognize the faults of his scum game and adjust them here.

If I were to purely base my read of Bell on meta I would call him town here but there enough other factors here that would make me hesitant to write him off so easily for meta reasons

[Spiffeh]

idk what that means

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE: Turnstile - skitter

What is your read on skitter and what's the basis for it?

Gun to my head she is town

I thought her approach towards me early in the Day was jumping on the bandwagon but her I buy her explanation about why her town read on me turned so quickly and I feel like she has done more to understand where I'm coming from in regards to A50 than anyone even though she is hard-townreading him

Compare this with peta who's just me bad and scummy and shut down attempts I've make to pressure A50 before he's even posted for the Day, or get others to reevaluate my most confident scum read at this critical point in the game and skitter looks a whole lot better

[Spiffeh]

what's your plan for forming reads and evaluating people, how do you approach the game, what are you doing right now as part of that. i hate the term "solving" but like, how are you doing that, what are you looking for

because right now i see someone who was lobbying to come over since page 1 but not only appwears to have done no homework but is not really doing much in the way of critical inquiry and is instead just getting mad at me and i'm rather confused by it. i would assume you would put some value on dayplay and not just solely wanting to come here because of your role, because it can't be that valuable, so like

what's your process

I think you are overstating my desire to be over here. I requested it immediately Day 1 purely for role purposes and than rescinded that request because I thought trying to clear Forwards of scum was a stronger use of the turnstile than anything I could offer with my role

I also wasn't aware the Purple Room had a turnstile until I was hammered so I didn't really expect to be over here until Day 3 at the earliest. You are right that I have done no homework but I did have a few reads as a baseline and feel I have been doing my due diligence today to get reads on people and I've been transparent with them

So I don't agree with this train of thought

[Spiffeh]

is disagreeing with you strongly a scumtell. is speaking reasonably a towntell

Idk how to really answer this and don't even know what you're trying to do here

My reasons for scum reading you go beyond you disagreeing with my A50 read and I've explained why in the very post you quoted

Scum and town can both speak reasonably so no I would not say speaking reasonably is itself a town tell

[Spiffeh]

Yep

Sorry if it isn't up to your standards

What's your read on peta?

PEdit: @Bork

Also idk if I'll be able to post much more for the next few days fam so just do everything I say and it will all work out

[Spiffeh]

Can we just like wagon spiffeh or something

no have better opinions

[Spiffeh]

I drank too much caffeine I should not be awake rn but now I'm UPSET

[Spiffeh]

yes because I have done nothing else this entire Day

[Spiffeh]

I think you think I am more upset than I am

I have been contributing in a way that I feel has been fruitful in terms of getting reads and sharing them

I still don't get how to explain my mindset to you, I don't really feel like typing out a dissertation about how I play the game if that's what you want. And the way you keep harping on this feels like you want continued justification for your vote on me

[Spiffeh]

I also am interested in how you feel I have given you 'nothing', but the emptiest slot in the game, A50, has ACTUALLY done nothing in this thread ever since he got here (and not much in the other one) but he seems to be a pretty confident town read of yours to the point where you don't really want to reevaluate him today?

[Spiffeh]

I really don't know if it's worth continuing to engage with you on this

Are you just not reading my posts? I think I've been extremely transparent with my reads today more than any other Day and have done a pretty good job staying active and engaged in a thread I've entered 250 pages late. If you think I've still said 'nothing', maybe ask me more specific questions about what you want to know beyond "what's your process"?

[Spiffeh]

Not to the point where I don't think it's worth talking to you, I just think all of the things you're saying about me (contributing nothing, only complaining) are so blatantly wrong if you take the time to read my posts and idk why you're struggling to see that

Unless you are scum and trying to push a narrative, which is the best I can come up with right now

[Spiffeh]

Town: {Deacon Blues, Dandelion Wine, LLD}
Townlean: {Firebringer, skitter30}
Null: {Pooky, midwaybear}
Scumlean: {petapan}
Scum: {Almost50}

This is where I'm at off the top of my head

Might ISO Pooky and midwaybear if I get the chance this week because I haven't read many of their posts since getting here

AMA

[Spiffeh]

and it largely feels like scum are more likely to be in less suspected people where the arguments are going to be harder and they won't be as easy to spot

Who are the players you feel could fit this mold then?

[Spiffeh]

in hindsight i probably shouldn't be giving spiffeh a pass for sheer total incuriosity; having a50 as his sole scumread is also pretty shite

takes me literally a few minutes to look at someone and spiffeh couldnt be fucked lmao

Hmmm you're right that I probably shouldn't be so generous with town reads given the amount of scum remaining

It's just how i feel rn idk

If I had to guess the scum team I'd say {A50, petapan, Hench Princesses, Annie Edison, and two of {Pooky, midwaybear, Bell, superbowl}}

[Spiffeh]

I mean my guess for the scum team is automatically superior and more likely than any that include me so maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge

[Spiffeh]

skitter I explained in 7058

I kinda want her turnstile hammered so she can stop being wrong about me here and go fight the good fight against Annie Edison/Bell in the other thread

Firebringer I just feel in my heart is town there's no real reasoning to it

[Spiffeh]

I should clarify that the list I provided were really just the players I have lowest on my reads list without really taking into consideration if they're viable as a team

For instance I doubt Annie Edison and Hench Princesses are scum together

It was probably stupid of me to try to compile a scum team at 3 AM in the first place I'm going to bed

[Spiffeh]

Also i strongly dislike his read on you and i dont super get why he's townreading me and scumreading you

Is this directed at me about peta?

[Spiffeh]

no have better opinions

[Spiffeh]

Why are you townreading peta?

[Spiffeh]

thoroughly mediocre

perfect description of my town game I'm glad you've finally come around!

[Spiffeh]

Thank you everyone for universally deciding I should be flipped the week I am V/LA because of work

midwaybear is probably scum for hopping on so easily and Bell looks atrocious cheering this on from the other thread

[Spiffeh]

It's almost like what I said was happening at the beginning of the Day

Is actually happening?!?!?!?!

[Spiffeh]

Bell in particular literally just played a game on the same scum team as me and should know that my play here has been so obviously different

[Spiffeh]

Firebringer what are your thoughts on mwb?

[Spiffeh]

I want A50 or peta to die today

I wouldn't fight too hard against you or Pooky, but you're not my first choices

Are you scum reading Pooky? If so, why?

[Spiffeh]

Bell I have been way more engaged and open with my reads and SO MUCH LESS of a lurk sack in this game and I struggle to understand how you're not seeing the differences

Which makes me think you're ignoring them deliberately to egg my wagon on

[Spiffeh]

Bell have you seen a town game of mine?

Maybe not because this is my first one since coming back from hiatus

I highly recommend you ISO me in one of my town games (Titus vs. Alisae for instance) before using any BoP arguments

[Spiffeh]

mwb, I am saying that I think it's weird of Bell to try to use the BoP arguments against me without having been exposed to my town game before.

[Spiffeh]

Firebringer can you not

[Spiffeh]

I have presented my reasons for my peta scum read, you can take them or leave them I guess

[Spiffeh]

Spifeh is just bad this game for some fuckign reason

thanks LLD I knew I could count on you

[Spiffeh]

i'm not gonna fault him for not being able to respond because he's supposed to be V/LA but he got 3 votes on him and started doing AtE and the timing felt confusing.

To explain the timing, I looked at both threads and notice that I am getting hard pushed by you in here and Bell (and Hench Princesses to a lesser extent) in there

midwaybear also naked votes me at your request

So yes the timing of my sass towards everyone universally scum reading me is justified

[Spiffeh]

Ok I'm gonna go V/LA for real you have all lost the privilege of my activity for the remainder of the week

Take some time and think about what you've done and I will accept your apologies when I return

[Spiffeh]

hey guys I'm back to call everyone that is voting for me bad or scum

[Spiffeh]

Firebringer you must pay for your wrongdoing

You can make your request in another 48 hours and I will reconsider

[Spiffeh]

@Brian I don't think HP makes that huge post casing a partner

[Spiffeh]

If Brian is limmed and flips town everyone on his wagon should be limmed systematically

[Spiffeh]

notty one of my biggest problems with you rn is that you were at Cabd's beck and call yesterday but today you've seemingly done a 180 on them without making much noise about it

I think paranoia on their slot is reasonable given the game state but the way you are subtly suggesting them as a scum candidate without really committing looks more like an attempt to discredit their read on you than genuine concern about their alignment

If town!notty thinks scum!Cabd is controlling the game I expect him to be a lot louder about it and hard engage about the issues he's noticing and from what I've read you're just tiptoeing around it and possibly laying the groundwork for a future push

Can you give an update on your Dandelion read?

[Spiffeh]

tbh midwaybear getting away with the content he's posted today with little to no pressure is almost as egregious as A50 getting away with his

Although I think he played in a similar way in Xenoblade 2 where he was town

Maybe this post is completely useless and offers no thoughts or ideas worth sharing

[Spiffeh]

Cephy what are your thoughts on Annie Edison?

[Spiffeh]

Firebringer can you tell me some words about why you want Pooky over someone like A50 or midwaybear?

[Spiffeh]

midway seems the type of person to me that very much tries to appease the status quo when he is scum. he very much did that in illicit and from FGO from what i read.

This looks more like SFA midway to me.

I am turning into an armchair metaer but that's about all i have to go off midway with

-b

I thought his naked vote on me appeased petapan and went along with status quo

But maybe I'm biased

[Spiffeh]

I think you are

There are sadly worlds where you are not though!

PEdit: @peta

[Spiffeh]

I think you are

There are sadly worlds where you are not though!

PEdit: @peta

so he's scum appeasing scum or what

In the event that you are not scum, he could be appeasing you

bork literally described a behavior he noticed in scum!mwb and I pointed out an instance where I felt he could have exhibited that behavior

I can get a read on midwaybear independently without I having to completely line up with my current view of the game state

[Spiffeh]

I thought I cleared up that those players were just at the bottom of my reads list, I did not take into consideration whether the teams made sense mechanically or by day play as I made that post

[Spiffeh]

A50 you have not earned the right to vote for me

[Spiffeh]

I think next time I join a game I'm gonna play exactly like A50 is this game and see how far it gets me

Maybe he is just brilliant and we're dumb ones for giving a shit

[Spiffeh]

If I do end up being the lim today my dying wish is for A50 to be instawagoned and hammered tomorrow

Idc if it's LYLO

[Spiffeh]

To explain the timing, I looked at both threads and notice that I am getting hard pushed by you in here and Bell (and Hench Princesses to a lesser extent) in there

midwaybear also naked votes me at your request

So yes the timing of my sass towards everyone universally scum reading me is justified

[Spiffeh]

peta, thoughts on A50 hopping on the wagon of his biggest detractor by saying my read isn't 'genuine' yet still contributing nothing in terms of content elsewhere?

[Spiffeh]

join the club

[Spiffeh]

If A50 wasn't scum claiming on this page maybe I'd consider it

Gun to my head I think skitter is town though

Can you give the cliff notes version of why you're scum reading her or quote me a post?

[Spiffeh]

Brian for proposing the mechanical solve (amongst other things that I'd rather not go through at this time)
HP I don't even remember why I town!binned them on D1, but nothing stood out recently for me to chang my mind about them
Spiffeh for breaking the mold early requesting to be turnstiled on D1.

This is the last post Almost50 mentions me in the Forwards thread, where he explains his reason for townreading me to answer someone's question. He called me town prior to this as well.
Next time he mentions me is after he's turnstiled below where he reiterates his reason for townreading me early in his explanation of his read on skitter:

25 this was the same reason I TR'd Spiffeh (and first hint you were some sort of a PR). Scum do NOT want to bring attention unto themselves by suggesting they want to be turnstiled this early. (I would expect them to either lay low about it until it's brought up as a discussion subject and then declaring they "don't mind" being turnstiled, or waiting for someone else to actually suggest they should be turnstiled, or even have another Scum buddy propose it if no townie does it)

Doesn't mention me again until I'm over here and describes me as the following.

Spiffeh < Play is almost too scummy to be scum

I find this read to be noncommittal overall but also implies a townread? However, it's a calculated thing to say because he can easily turn this into a scum read in the event he needs to pivot in that direction.

This ~excellent~ read progression has culminated with his recent vote on me.

It is important to note that A50's recent vote on me

is the only vote that he has cast the entire game

(outside of an Imperium vote super early on that might have even been a joke? idk). He has town read me for most of the game according to his ISO but the second a wagon materializes and literally everyone has vocally scum read me, he jettisons his initial read for no stated reason beyond "doesn't look genuine".

If A50 is town and has been this absent, there is absolutely no way he feels comfortable enough voting for me here given his conservative voting history and how he's felt about me prior to this Day. His vote only makes sense coming from scum trying to get rid of one of his greatest naysayers at a time where I'm the most vulnerable.

I don't want to hear anymore bullshit about my read on A50 being weak or going after LHF after his most recent posts.

[Spiffeh]

Almost50 can you elaborate on why you are now scum reading?

[Spiffeh]

Brian you are preaching to the choir

I wanted him dead Day 2

[Spiffeh]

It is important to note that A50's recent vote on me is the only vote that he has cast the entire game

not true! he also voted for pisskop (i realize this is not in his favor)

my bad, I guess I missed that

every other point still stands

[Spiffeh]

Sorry FB but you need to spread your wings and fly even when I'm not here

[Spiffeh]

Im trusting a50 is town based on skitter; but im personally fine eliminating. a50 flip could help us with skitter? Not really but maybe.

Why are you trusting A50 is town based on skitter when you admit you constantly waffle on skitter and think this could be one of her scum games?

[Spiffeh]

hey guys

[Spiffeh]

@petapan from what I can tell a large part of your scum read on me seems to be because I've hard-tunneled A50 and haven't really provided the reasoning worthy of that tunnel

Can you explain why midwaybear's insistence on Pooky, which is fairly unsubstantiated from what I've read today, is any different and why you haven't called him out on that?

[Spiffeh]

hey notty how's it going over there?

[Spiffeh]

midwaybear, from the post below the start of the day you weren't really sure about Pooky being scum

UNVOTE: skitter
UNVOTE: LLD
UNVOTE: Pooky
Still not sure on Pooky. I need to look at his reads again.

Since then, you have insisted several times that Pooky should be the lim today so can you walk me through how you went from the above post to now being certain that Pooky is scum?

And on that note I think it's odd you keep saying Pooky needs to die but you voted me just because peta asked you to and I'm probably the most likely lim at this point since skitter is apparently being turnstiled?

If you want Pooky to die maybe start doing something about it?

[Spiffeh]

pooky is scumread by a fair number of people and has been for a while, at one time i agreed with them. i think his reasoning as mostly been the common reasoning but it did feel natural for him. however, have grown increasingly concerned lately that i have been giving him too much leeway

based on A50's recent contributions do you feel that you have been giving him too much leeway too?

What are your thoughts on my case-ish post on him?

[Spiffeh]

I have a feeling that midwaybear knows his 'tunnel' on Pooky is just gonna fall on deaf ears and get lost in the shuffle today and when someone else is inevitably limmed (myself, A50) he can just continue that tunnel tomorrow with absolutely no backlash

PEdit:

Ok cool mwb

I agree he has been escaping radars lately

Do you feel that he's not in the conversation anymore because his potential scumbuddies are deliberately ignoring him and focusing their attention elsewhere?

[Spiffeh]

skitter is most likely town and I will be pissed if this turnstile turns out to be a death sentence for her

[Spiffeh]

I have a feeling that midwaybear knows his 'tunnel' on Pooky is just gonna fall on deaf ears

What do you want me to do? I'm just one person and I have no track record.

If your ultimate goal today is to get Pooky limmed (which is the impression I get from your posts, correct me if I'm wrong) Maybe don't vote for other people for literally no reason?

I'm struggling to determine if you really want Pooky to die today or is that all for show so you can have a strong opinion to hide behind?

Because your immediate vote on me at peta's request, when you haven't really mentioned me before or since, does NOT jive with your absolute certainty that Pooky should be the one to die today

[Spiffeh]

@peta my A50 post is 7933

You will be floored to find out that it's all about me!

[Spiffeh]

Hey Pooky who is scum and why?

[Spiffeh]

Wait peta when I asked you in 7903 how you felt about A50's vote on me you said that "it ain't great"

But now you're saying in you kinda liked his recent posts (8253)

So which is it?

From A50's vote on me today onward, can you quote the posts you liked and explain why?

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE: midwaybear

[Spiffeh]

Hench Princesses please name the scum this thread is dominated by

[Spiffeh]

ffery/bork gun to your head do you think peta is town or scum?

[Spiffeh]

You don't think pretending to be behind by 'slipping' like that is outside of his scum range?

[Spiffeh]

You don't think pretending to be behind by 'slipping' like that is outside of his scum range?

U don't think he can be both behind and scum?

I do think he can be both behind and scum, that's what I was implying when I asked peta this question

[Spiffeh]

hey everyone I hope you're all having a tremendous Friday night