revO emaG - TENET

[Almost50]

I'm probably going to need somebody to sum up everything that's been happening here (minus the noise and 1 v 1 fights)

Actually, I would rather 2 or 3 do it separately (put it in a spoiler titles @A50 or something?).

I will try to be on earlier tomorrow, but I

really

would rather not being forced to read the whole thread. THANJ YOU

[Almost50]

Hi a50!

Hi skitts

[Almost50]

midway who else would you vote?

Skitter, peta, SS, LLD
I should probably have reconsidered these reads, but it’s still what I’m working with for now.

Any particular cases? (Just point out the post #s if you've already explained. Thank you)

[Almost50]

I don’t think I have. I don’t know if he has done anything that I would consider to be townie for him. I remember he was getting town read for his early game, but it wasn’t that good? Also, his openwolving comments make me uncomfortable...

OK.. what comments did/do you consider openwolfing? (Sorry it had to be you I'm starting with, but you are the one who posted right after my post!)

[Almost50]

These were the guidelines I was given before the switch

@Annie & @Brian: Could you both please brief me with your reads on the thread I'm about to join? Who are your top SR(s)?

Skitter is a slot I'm slightly suspicious of because they townread you and Gyx early on and I wasn't sure why. I think the other thread has more mechanical reasons associated with that read and I honestly don't care that much.
I'm also suspicious of LLD.

I had fferyhydra, Peta, Firebringer as townleans. Mebbe Cabd.

I'm still townreading Pooky and find it hilarious that the people who are voting him were also on the Flavor Leaf wagon the previous day. Based on his spreadsheet, I'd guess the scum there is probably the bear.

I still think Pisskop could be scum.

I don't have opinions on the rest of their playerlist because I honestly haven't been following along that thoroughly.

Over there take Cabd and Ffery town to the bank. Skitters claim is sketchy, I don’t like Pooky suddenly engaging over there when he did nothing over here. Peta is town. Superb I think is town (but off a cliff). I should have more but I’m watching tenet rn so I’m not spending too much effort

Personally; I had an early TR on skitter on D1 (from what little I read from this thread), and from the Invwarigative/Infoemative claims she was the one I believed the most (some argue Watcher is a protective in practice, and I can see how that could be only when it's outed AND assuming they claim their target in advance, but that's another story so let me get focused)

Finally: Am I correct in assuming the plan is still NOT to turnstile anyone today? Because I vaguely remember there was that, and then there was also an ongoing discussion about turnstiling skitter.

[Almost50]

Still think annie edison is not town

She is. Trust me

[Almost50]

hi a50

I was gonna say "what do you think of my read list?" and I went back to quote it... only.. it doesn't exist!

I basically thought I had amended it to 4979, but I either did in a different window that I accidentally closed (one of the, windows I opened to quote the posts I did), or I did it in my word file and then didn't copy & paste.

Anyway, it looked something like:

Deacon Blues (fferyllt/borkjerfkin)
Petapan
Dandelion Wine (Cephrir/Cabd)

skitter30
Firebringer
PookyTheMagicalBear
GFITAC (Gamma Emerald/Dr Easy Bake)

superbowl9
midwaybear
Something_Smart
Pisskop*
Lady Lambdadelta

And I remember noting that it was mostly hearsay (i.e. based on Brian & Annie's reads) with the exception of my own read on skitter.

Obviously I didn't factor in Tammy/Nacho's reads either, so maybe bump up superbowl/midwaybear a little. I also recall myself thinking (and typing) that I thought it weird neither of Brian/Annie made a mention of midwaybear

I finally asked EVERYONE to tell me why <insert player name> should've been placed higher/lower

[Almost50]

@LLD: WOW! Just wow.

[Almost50]

Deacon Blues (fferyllt/borkjerfkin)
Petapan
Dandelion Wine (Cephrir/Cabd)

skitter30
Firebringer
PookyTheMagicalBear
GFITAC (Gamma Emerald/Dr Easy Bake)

superbowl9
midwaybear
Something_Smart
Pisskop*
Lady Lambdadelta

superbowl should be a lot higher
dandelion wine should probably be in the tier below
not sure lld should be that low either

otherwise it's roguhly where i'm at

The question I proposed was WHY any of those should be upgraded/downgraded.

[Almost50]

Cause that reads list sounds like they took the 3 town leaders, shoved them at the top, then randomized a bunch of people and put them places based on Nacho/Tammy reads influence.

Like why is Pooky that high. Why is Superbowl that low. Why am I bottom when he's said 0 words about me all game?

It's fucking fabricated garbage.

Hmmm.. looks like someone just isn't reading, eh?

I BLOODY SAID THISE WERE NOT MY BLOODY REAEDS EXCEPT FOR THE ONE ON SKITTER. EVERYTHING ELSE IS A COMBINATION OF ANNIE & BRIAN REAEDS.

So, if bloody follows that YES, it

should

look like I was "going with the flow" because it a PRELIMINARY PROPOSITION meant for all to comment on with REASONING, so I can understand who thinks what of whom based on what. DUH!

P.S. Go back to the post where I quoted "my references" and do the math. You will then see why everyone is in there respective place. If it was for me I's be TRing skitter, SR Pooky amd having everyone else as NULL

[Almost50]

i don't think it's ordered, i think it's just by tiers

It is in fact mainly tiers but also roughly ordered.

Of all investigative/informative claims I believed yours the most. I now also remember I said that in my "nonexistent" post. I even recall having referenced Titus' opinion of Watcher being Informative by name but a Protector in practice and adding that I can only see that if Watcher is claimed and stated their target in advance.

[Almost50]

well i'm fine with peta > firebringer and i already said superbowl shouldn't be that low

a50 why am i town and why is superbowl that low?

I DON'T KNOW why superbowl isn't higher than where he ism but you can ask Annie/Brian.

As for you, when I "tried" to read both threads simultaneously (once upon a long ago) I had town pings from your early posts on D1 (iirc I hadn't read beyond post 2000 when I stopped following this thread altogether, and I didn't even know you claimed until someone made a list of claims on D1 in the forwards thread towards the end of the day (shortly before I questioned the number of investigative/informative claims and was shut down by Titus)

[Almost50]

@skitter:

OK, so both you AND Tammy/Nacho TR sb, so I guess I can promote him to.. erm.. between you and FB? I think if I did a reread I can figure him out, but this thread is even more noisy that the forwards thread and I don't have the time, will or energy to do long reading sessions. I am not even playing in any other games and I am limiting myself to one visit to MS a day.

[Almost50]

Oh and by the way, @A50:

Read on Dunn?

Anything stand out to you about that slot?

Dunn was town, I believe. A Town Lean, actually.

Say, wasn't it you who instructed Annie to "drop it" when she asked Dunn to claim his night action? Or am I mixing the hydrae?

[Almost50]

Oh and by the way, @A50:

Read on Dunn?

Anything stand out to you about that slot?

Dunn was town, I believe. A Town Lean, actually.

Say, wasn't it you who instructed Annie to "drop it" when she asked Dunn to claim his night action? Or am I mixing the hydrae?

It was indeed me. Why?

Because the Town Lean was formed at that point.

[Almost50]

Oh and by the way, @A50:

Read on Dunn?

Anything stand out to you about that slot?

Dunn was town, I believe. A Town Lean, actually.

Say, wasn't it you who instructed Annie to "drop it" when she asked Dunn to claim his night action? Or am I mixing the hydrae?

It was indeed me. Why?

Because the Town Lean was formed at that point.

And you missed their later posts about Dunn in this thread?

How many times do I need to state I stopped following this thread on D1??

[Almost50]

sorry, a50 did you answer: is your read on me largely from my claim or is it also cuz of play?

I said it was your earlier posts BEFORE you claimed. I missed the claim. I had no idea you claimed later on. I had a TR on you when I stopped reading this thread. HOWEVER, your claim was believable to me (I really can't tell if the claim strengthened the TR or if the TR was the reason I believed the claim)

[Almost50]

your claim was believable to me

Expand on this?

I don't see a spoiler so it can't be expanded

[Almost50]

sorry, a50 did you answer: is your read on me largely from my claim or is it also cuz of play?

I said it was your earlier posts BEFORE you claimed. I missed the claim. I had no idea you claimed later on. I had a TR on you when I stopped reading this thread. HOWEVER, your claim was believable to me (I really can't tell if the claim strengthened the TR or if the TR was the reason I believed the claim)

ah ok thanks. as a followup i'd want to know which posts prompted the townread at some point - dont' feel like you need to do this rn, i know this game is big and my iso is long, but i would like this at some point

I'll see what I can do.

25 this was the same reason I TR'd Spiffeh (and first hint you were some sort of a PR). Scum do NOT want to bring attention unto themselves by suggesting they want to be turnstiled this early. (I would expect them to either lay low about it until it's brought up as a discussion subject and then declaring they "don't mind" being turnstiled, or waiting for someone else to actually suggest they should be turnstiled, or even have another Scum buddy propose it if no townie does it)

27 This came right next to the above. Your confusion about how the voting works in this timeline earned you town points (as opposed to -say- you asking first, which

could

have been faked)

82 is an amendment to the previous point. Scum you would have probably pretended not to understand the multi-voting concept either. Your behaviour around this whole thing made me believe you are legit confused and not faking it (scum you would have made sure to ask in the scum PT and to discuss with your scum buddies beforehand too)

Also, you having your own reads on the other thread and being willing to defend them contributed, as scum!you would have been a bit too nervous and more focused on establishing your own "town image" in your own timeline.

111 This one sealed it. I stopped worrying about you after this. If the turnstile plan was proposed/promoted by your team, you would have probably been against it

because

of using the turnstile as a second elim. I don't see how you would be OK (not completely as you still cald it a wild goose chase, but still at ease) after the idea of using the turnstile as a second eviction tool idea was proposed.

Now if it was proposed/promoted by town (and scum!you would know where it originated) you would have used it to your benefit by shading the people wjo were promoting it.

Oh, and on top of it all: I have never seen Scum!you being wagoned hard on D1. Granted I only saw you play scum in a game or two, but I was your TM2019 team member, so I probably would have seen through your effort to "obv!town" which -in result- never gets you under pressure that early.

[Almost50]

I like some of the emotional background in his reactions.

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

tbh I think A50 might just be scum

pedit: holy wall

How dare you SR your Miller-Mason buddy?

P.S. This is an internal joke @sb specifically. We are NOT Masons (and I'm not a Miller)

[Almost50]

I would stick around and chat but I'm going to bed, I'll probably be on more tomorrow but Monday's really when I'll get back in the swing of things

So you threw that firecracker @me and went off to hide??

[Almost50]

What was your A50 read coming into this convo?

hard null

And now?

need to interact with him some more + knowing what prompted the initial townread would be helpful. holding off for a bit

I thought you stated an early TR on me on D1, and I thought I knew why. Now >I< am confused. You do remember how I sometimes do the things I do, right?

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Elimination Votecount 6.09

PookyTheMagicalBear (4) - superbowl9, GFITAC, Dandelion Wine, Something_Smart, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30, PookyTheMagicalBear, Pisskop, Almost50

midwaybear (4) - Petapan, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, midwaybear, Something_Smart, LadyLambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Pisskop, Almost50

Hold on a second. I thought you guys had midwaybear as a more or less global TR!!

[Almost50]

With that last post of his; I am considering voting (unvoting) pisskop.

@Gamma: Did this guy cult you? Again??

[Almost50]

UNVOTE: pisskop

Just following my heart

Also, y'all wanna wait till the other thread hammers? Cuz I seem to see more discussion about what's going over there than what happening over here (it's a semi-serious question)

[Almost50]

Just following my heart

hmmmm?

And after your ringing endorsement of my play last game!

I'm saving us all the time. My plan is to pressure you to get Gamma to claim you're the cult leader who can win with town .. bla bla bla..

[Almost50]

OK. Looks like I'm outed as the Amnesiac Tracker. *Sigh*

I'll try to so something useful before my imminent perishing tonight

UNVOTE: Turnstile Skitter

I'll be back soon enough

@skitter: This is why I am confident Annie is Town. I knew they were my recipient when they claimed my result on Dunn on N1, and it does not make any sense to have me info-feeding scum in this setup

[Almost50]

OK. Looks like I'm outed as the Amnesiac Tracker. *Sigh*

I'll try to so something useful before my imminent perishing tonight

UNVOTE: Turnstile Skitter

I'll be back soon enough

@skitter: This is why I am confident Annie is Town. I knew they were my recipient when they claimed my result on Dunn on N1, and it does not make any sense to have me info-feeding scum in this setup

ppl are using that overkill game you modded to argue when part of a pairing could be scum

I am CRAZY. Sir Cakez is NOT. If this game was modded/designed by -say- Boonskiies or The Baker I would have seriously considered the case.

[Almost50]

I also almost posted in the other thread complaining that my most recent post disappeared!

[Almost50]

Hi A50!

Who is scum and why?

You probably are. After all; you said so yourself.

But seriously, I am not having "scum" reads. I am having "suspects" instead. Why? Because we have still to flip ONE red role. Not one. So all I have is suspicion and speculation.

For instance, I -obviously- suspect Pooky. I tracked him and -according to Annie- he apparently went nowhere, which is disappointing.

Now the way I play Tracker is not make it clear whom I suspect. I leave it in a pool so scum can't guess whom I'm targeting next. Gun-to-my-head I might give in and provide a "vague" read list, yet I also may just provide a "fake" read lost to still make my target unpredictable (or -at least- not easily guessable)

Like, here's a read list for you to work off, but I give no promises it's accurate

Petapan < Mechanical clear for me
Deacon Blues/Dandelion Wine < Guessing the NK was meant to hit one of them and Gamma took the hit instead
Spiffeh < Play is almost too scummy to be scum
skitter30 < Call it a soul reade (I had actually provided the reasons earlier)
PookyTheMagicalBear < Had no night action so don't see why hw wasn't sent to do the kill last night
Firebringer <I historically struggle to get a TR on FB, but he has yet to trigger my scumdar
Lady Lambdadelta < I didn't like her rage over the preliminary read list I provided (that I even said explicitly was not my own). Otherwise, I have nothing much to say for/against her
midwaybear < This is the most volatile read I have. By PoE, and unless the other thread is dominated by Scum; this has to be a scum slot here. Yet, by play I have more Town pings from him than half the other players. (Actually, I'd only TR Deacon, Dandelion & skitter more is I ignore all mechanical reasoning)

Up to you now to decide which slot(s) am I misplacing on the list on purpose.

[Almost50]

PookyTheMagicalBear < Had no night action so don't see why hw wasn't sent to do the kill last night

man if pooky flips scum this is now +++scum

-b

You think Scum!Pooky who was (still is) very likely to eat rope; and has nothing better to so, would be spared by his team and they risk sending someone else to do th kill?

[Almost50]

UNVOTE: purple room LLD

UNVOTE: purple room lld
-ceph

unvote: purple room LLD

If you all think so

UNVOTE: purple room LLD

[Almost50]

im not getting murdered by LLD just becuz you want to go into the purple room for some hanky panky.

FINALLY something inspiring

Spoiler:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFSx9fE1qJ8[/youtube]

[Almost50]

The last time y'all ran off on your own you wound up eliminating Flavor Leaf.

We're not doing this shit again.

Sorry mom

Better yet

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Can we just like wagon spiffeh or something

Thinking about it

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Town: {Deacon Blues, Dandelion Wine, LLD}
Townlean: {Firebringer, skitter30}
Null: {Pooky, midwaybear}
Scumlean: {petapan}
Scum: {Almost50}

This is where I'm at off the top of my head

Might ISO Pooky and midwaybear if I get the chance this week because I haven't read many of their posts since getting here

AMA

Fuck this. You've done nothing all game but SR me. I don't believe it's genuine

UNVOTE: Spiffeh

[Almost50]

someone should ask him why he tracked dunnstral night 1

Why won't you ask "him" yourself? You're not "simian-phobic", are you?

It's simple: I'm stupid and thought Dunn replaced Sirius! I had softed my target in my very first post (Sirius) and was too lazy to reconsider.

Spoiler: Reference for easier access

I stopped by the replacements thread before I came here, and -much to my surprise- someone had already requested replacement!! Now why would anyone replace out of such a simple; easy to grasp game? That beats me out. (If you heard rumours about the thought having crossed my mind yesterday while I was trying to decipher post #2; I assure you these were false rumours and that it never happened.)

Now here's a question: does anyone have any idea

about Sirius having a track

record of replacing out as either alignment?

[Almost50]

spiffey i am so mad that the list mods moved me to black flag for our team mafia games.
calm me down.

If you see a black flag just don't go swimming on that beach is all I can say to you

[Almost50]

hey a50 real quick you said i was town because i'm a receiver, ppl said it doesn't make sense for you to think that given you had a role like this that was scum in overkill 2, what do you say to that?

I already answered this. My meta as a mod is to do crazy shit. After all; it was an OVERKILL game (up to 6 people could've dies on N1 iirc). I don't believe SC follows the same school. He's just not as crazy as I am.

[Almost50]

A50 you have not earned the right to vote for me

Are you trying to decertify my vote?

[Almost50]

I think next time I join a game I'm gonna play exactly like A50 is this game and see how far it gets me

Maybe he is just brilliant and we're dumb ones for giving a shit

Mate, I'm a monkey. You're a mouse. Imitation is MY game, not yours.

[Almost50]

wanna do a50 anyone?

[Almost50]

a50 you and firebringer's posts this game make me smile

<3 <3 <3

(The image won't automatically show on MS in my preview, so I linked it instead)

[Almost50]

Almost50 can you elaborate on why you are now scum reading?

You can't possibly have kept me at the bottom of your reads on both threads for the entire game. If you knew me well enough you wouldn't, and if you didn't (which is the case) you wouldn't be as certain (I am used to being SR'd by people who don't play me quite often).

I also vaguely remember Scum!me played Town!You is an old game (Soccer Spirits, iirc) and I am certain if you cared to check it you'd see that this is isn't my Scum meta (granted it's not my town meta either, but you get the picture.)

[Almost50]

really, I feel like a50 is under the radar?

That's why I threw a vote down

Would you have been trying to be ON the radar if you were a Tracker??

[Almost50]

feels like everyone has a knife and or gun at each other and its really not necessary.

I would joke post to calm everyone down but don't think it will. So lets be friendos and decide which one of us deserves to be deado instead.

You're becoming too civilized for that thread. Are you sure you still don't wanna turnstile?

I will never sip tea!

You do gulp beer though, don't you?

[Almost50]

A50 flip might just help us finally put to bed Spiffeh?

This happens to be your scummiest post of the game. You wanna guess why that is?

[Almost50]

It is important to note that A50's recent vote on me is the only vote that he has cast the entire game

not true! he also voted for pisskop (i realize this is not in his favor)

[Almost50]

[Almost50]

Goodnight everybody!

[Almost50]

@Deacon: This is me not giving a rat's fart anymore.

Yet; here's a little reminder: I am the only living "active" investigative/informative on this game. FB is a Cop who works in the other thread. skitter is a Watcher who works in the other thread. (Somebody correct me if I made a mistake as I'm improvising from a 52+ y.o. memory)

I personally wouldn't want to lim me if I was in your shoes, but you do you. This is also why I'm finding Spiffeh's push on me all game long pretty weird, and now LLD's call to get rid of one of myself or skitter.

I do realize role =/= alignment. so I am not even arguing my own alignment. Yet again, if you do suspect me that much I could always be leashed, especially since I don't even get my own results (unless you think I'm scum with Annie; in which case I really have nothing more to say to you)

@FB: You have not responded to my 7959, but it's too late now, as the answer is implied above. You just don't lim your only active informative on the day before the timestreams merge )which would mean I will get my own results)

[Almost50]

Here's a tldr (in case someone's wondering): Mechanically speaking; I, skitter & FB should be off the table for today. Let's wait and see what happens when we are all put in the same thread. I also am still the #1 NK candidate here because -if I'm understanding the mechanics right- both skitter & FB still need to be turnstiled for their roles to work after the merge.

[Almost50]

If we were in the same timeline with Bell, that's who I'd probably be voting,

Not to be a nag; but this is also sub-optimal from a mechanical PoV. Your "preferred lims" all fall into the category of "more beneficial in the foreseen future".

[Almost50]

Did FB make another role claim and I missed it? He retracted his day 1 claim.

I have no idea. I just had him down as a Forwards Cop eversince

[Almost50]

Also we can't TS somebody who won't agree to it and I doubt a50 or pooky will agree to that at this stage of the game so....

Why wouldn't I? It makes no difference to me since my role works on both sides. The only difference is that I'd get my own report too.

Come to think of it, being with Annie in the same thread is +ve bc even if either if us get shot the other still gets a final report.

[Almost50]

For my perspective, I would have you turnstyle Annie Edison over, yeet Skitter and Turnstyle A50 back to you.

Are you for real? WHY would I and Annie want to be kept apart?

[Almost50]

For my perspective, I would have you turnstyle Annie Edison over, yeet Skitter and Turnstyle A50 back to you.

Are you for real? WHY would I and Annie want to be kept apart?

you are dying today in this plan, I'm not sure when you think you're gonna get to use that role

lol

I am not dying today though. (Maybe "tonight", but not "today")

[Almost50]

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

I wanted to crumb Tracker (I always do crumb my role, even as a VT), and didn't see why I wouldn't also crumb the target (wasn't sure the receiver gets it. I asked the mod later).

I also tried to ask my receiver (whom I didn't even know, but was sure they would be looking for me) whom they wanted me to Track with Britney Spears' video (if you don't get it, just review the lyrics)

Oh, baby, baby, how was I supposed to know
That something wasn't right here?
Oh, baby, baby, I shouldn't have let you go
And now you're out of sight, yeah
Show me how you want it to be
Tell me, baby, 'cause I need to know now, oh, because
My loneliness is killing me (And I)
I must confess I still believe (Still believe)
When I'm not with you I lose my mind
Give me a sign, hit me baby one more time

P.S. Frankly, I was hoping either skitter or Gamma were the receiver, as they both are pretty familiar with my way of crumbing and/or sending subtle messages