revO emaG - TENET

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that vc tho

UNVOTE: uncrowned

@mod regular vla on fridays/saturdays. also is it possible to put the heads of the hydrae in the op?

[skitter30]

if you like

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if you like

hmhmmhmhmhmhmmmm want to just premaaturaly town group then

fire unfortunately this makes me paranoid

just to be clear, we can take abt the parallel game here, right?

[skitter30]

u kinda started similarly when u were scum last time in a game with town me

[skitter30]

also turnstiling me is probably a good idea so
VOTE: turnstile: myself

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oh god this is going to be confusing and i'm gonna forget i unvoted someone
VOTE: uncrowned
UNVOTE: fire

also cabd i said this before but i hope you and your family are ok <3

[skitter30]

indeed

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gypyx is town in the other thread

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yeah now i'm confused.

if i want to 'vote' someone what am i supposed to actually write/type? earlier when i unvoted someone it was meant to be the thematic equivalent of voting

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ya that's what i was going for, ty

[skitter30]

in normal mafia when you vote you're implicitly placing an unvote on the last person you were voting
the way we're 'voting' in this game kinda removes that implicit step so if you change your 'unvote' keep in mind that you may be still unvoting the person you were unvoting last, which may or may not have been your intent

(i hope that makes sense)

Spoiler: @unwnd

i have alrady given some reads in my thread! and gypyx is really +++town in yours!

[skitter30]

i think we're effectively multivoting unless i'm misunderstanding

[skitter30]

i was actually thinking they were p town

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wait we need to backwards vote for the turnstile and purple room too?

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i think technically if someone gets to 6 votes they get yeeted, for both alignments
we have the option of sending other players across to the other game (turnstile)
and for playes to go to the purple room. (we don't know what the purple room actually, like, is)

UNVOTE: turnstile: myself

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i feel like the notion of trying to create a scumfree timeline is a p good one, except that we don't know if that's actually, like, possible in the way you lot want it to be
if there's 4 scum in your timeline and 2 in ours your plan will literally just fail because it will be impossible to remove all scum by day2
and we don't have enuf info to try to ensure that we can make that plan a success

if there's more than 2 scum in the other timestream imperium is ++++scum

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i feel like the notion of trying to create a scumfree timeline is a p good one, except that we don't know if that's actually, like, possible in the way you lot want it to be
if there's 4 scum in your timeline and 2 in ours your plan will literally just fail because it will be impossible to remove all scum by day2
and we don't have enuf info to try to ensure that we can make that plan a success

if there's more than 2 scum in the other timestream imperium is ++++scum

actually i forgot about using the turnstile as an elim mechanism as a i wrote this ...
i still feel like it's probably a bit of a wild goose chase and that it's not super likely we'll be able to actually accomplish it

[skitter30]

pooky is town over there tho <3

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yeah like if everyone decides it's the thing to do i'm ok with it ig but i dont' have high hopes for it's success and i feel like some of the people egging it on over there are scum. i think we'll just (possibly?) redistribute the location of the scumz

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if there's more than 2 scum in the other timestream imperium is ++++scum

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if there's more than 2 scum in the other timestream imperium is ++++scum

i'm not sure i follow? do you see them as scum egging on the plan?



entertaining this line of questioning for lack of otherwise interesting content here

didn't like post73 in that thread

also i disagree with u on fire

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bell in the other thread is prob town too

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Unwnd is town, though I'm probably late to that party.

i like this take

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cuz ur probably scum

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Anyone want to go to the purple room? We should probly coordinate that with the other thread as well no?

Also @ me when something AI happens pls

does anyone know if he's usually like this? cuz this is kinda not good ...

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i would prob vote imperium if i were on the other side
hench princesses is town too i think

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i know i said i wasnt going to pay attention to the other timeline but hench princesses is literally obvious scum

why are they literally obvious scum?

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Would scum do THIS THOUGH

UNVOTE: skitter

uh huh

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do you still think that?

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even better, is it possible for the hydrae to put who they're hydrae of in the sigs so that i donn't have to keep checking the op? otherwise it'll take me like a week to remember and i've already confused like three of them

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a50!!! probalby town!!!
UNVOTE: peta

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annie edison is scumpinging me

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UnVote me then

once i figure out if we're multivoting or not, i probably will

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UNVOTE: annie edison

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it's ok, i will circle back to you

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but you're my fav growlith tho

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the bell / shelly thing is bizarre and i would say tvs at the very least, like that doesn't feel like a natural interaction
not gonna be around super much tom cuz, like, work and i imagine that by the time i get back tom night i will no longer be able to keep up with the other thread

pedit fire vote annie with me?
peditx2 fire i'm still voting you then

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Cakez can you please explain how our votes work or point me to a simple explanation please

it's basically like i assumed
we're multivoters, and we 'vote' by removing our vote from a wagon. we can remove our vote from whichever wagons we like, however many at a time we like, so we can effectively be 'voting' many people at once.

if you want to only be 'voting' one person at once, you need to explicitly put the 'unvote' back on (here by using actual vote tags)

[skitter30]

oh no, feel better!

[skitter30]

I think Almost50's opening post is the worst post itg so far

ftr it's at worst nai for him, and at best town indicative

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skitter are you expecting to be turnstiled first?

idk if 'expect' is really the right word? this is a weird question

[skitter30]

skitter are you expecting to be turnstiled first?

idk if 'expect' is really the right word? this is a weird question

is there a better word for it?

i don't understand what you're getting at

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well i have time right now to read both, so i was sharing my thoughts. i just said that i dont' think i'll be able to do that starting like ... once i get to work tomorrow and that i'm unlikely to be reading that thread at that point, so i'm kinda confused by this take

and fire's also interacting with that thread? and so are several other people? i don't get it

[skitter30]

I like peta this game

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I like peta this game

you're unvoting me though

VOTE: peta
Ah i forgot

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214 and 263

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363, twas a typo

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Then i have no idea what i was thinking at the time! I liked it when i just looked it

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not gonna be around super much tom cuz, like, work and i imagine that by the time i get back tom night i will no longer be able to keep up with the other thread

Right here?

Townish: midway, peta
Not town: you, superbowl

And honestly that's kinda what i got so far from this thread. And given who's posting and the obstrusness thus far i think that's decent

What is your issue with the number of reads i have, exactly?

And now sleep, cuz work, etc

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missed that, my bad

my issue is simply that it was shockingly disproportionate. I don't know what exactly to make of it, but it makes me think all the mechtalk you're doing is filler in place of any real commentary on our thread.

I very much dislike this take/push

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UNVOTE: dandelion wine

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Eh fair enuf, i'll wait a bit to see of the badpings go away
VOTE: dandelion wine

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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this yesterday, though the subject seems to have been unceremoniously dropped.

Trying to get all the scum out of one timeline before N2 is almost certainly a fool's errand.

Ya that's what i feel like too

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I mean, so what if she is.

Pedit i dont think they're in a hydra together

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I mean, so what if she is.

Pedit i dont think they're in a hydra together

They aren't.

Cabd is Dandelion.

Ffery is Deacon.

I'm saying Deacon=Scum, Dandelion=Town.

Ah. Well out of all the hydras i like annie edison by far the least. I'll give cabd a bit more time, i suppose, but i'm not liking him thus far.

I have no thoughts on ffery's.

And of course the code thing is inscrutable, but i suppose its meant to be

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I hate like everything anni edison (not science?) Is posting

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I’m the one ignoring you, bulge is the one calling your focus on the other side weird

I mean idk what to tell u, the people over there have been easier for me to read thus far

And ok, if it's weird, so .... where are you going with this

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It was a collective you, meant to be answered by whoever wrote that post.

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I wasn’t really going anywhere? It was literally me explaining who was who so you don’t have to qualify everything you say.

Why am I scummy?

Ok lets take a step back

I thought you were posting this whole time, but honestly i dont really care who was posting so long as whoever wrote the post regarding my reads can explain why it's weird and what the significance of the weirdness was

If that wasnt you, that's fine, but i would like to talk to your other head abt that when they're around plz

I very strongly dislike this 'weird that more of my reads are on the other thread' thing. It feels like something you lot threw out there and doesnt feel like a real thought because the followup i'd have expected in a few different places repeatedly isnt happening
A lot of the things you're posting are kinda pinging wrong
I think you may be trying to buddy brian across threads

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Are you joking? WE HAVE A THREAD TO FIND SCUM IN - maybe if you cant find reads in our thread then... scumhunt?? You don’t think that you saying finding scum in a thread you’re spectating is easier than one you’re contributing to is an indicator or anything?

I mean, i am, but i appreciate the advice

[skitter30]

I think your slot is encouraging it.
But i gotta go back to work so hopefully i'll be able to talk to him later

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Superbowl honestly prob town
Pedit i would love to hear more abt that when i get back later

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Noraa is town

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I saw there's more @me, and i'll get to it later

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I think your slot is encouraging it.
But i gotta go back to work so hopefully i'll be able to talk to him later

What are your thoughts about Imperium and me reaching across the turnstile?

~ Street

i have no thoughts on it

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I’m not really sure who told skitter that town notsci would be a safe push to make lmao

i'm not really sure who told you that throwing random inane shade on me was a good idea
i still want to talk to the bulge abt his post from last night

[skitter30]

still think suberbowl9 is town, lld probably is too. at the very least they're never scum together

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Noraa is town

Who's scum rn?

still liking my annie edison vote
otherwise idk. i have a bunch of townreads. and a bunch of nullreads, and one nullscum read, nobody else is popping out as scum just yet

[skitter30]

i'm not towncasing you

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then try being townier

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Brian town. We’re syncing pretty well.

this post (^) came exactly 7 minutes after the following post (man this is going to be a pain going forward) after literally not mentioning brian in any capacity before. the timing was off and it felt like it was a response to the townread more than anything else

I like notty this game. I'm okay with him being sent over. You can leave his hydra partner behind though.

and i don't really remember seeing anything much weird in your interactions with imperium, or anything that pinged me there

and i almost posted that in the other thread, whoops

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Interesting, do you have meta with them? I thought they were townread by near everyone

nope, but i don't see it

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I don’t but that slot said they were town because of overwhelming meta reads. Seeing if that was just a lie

yeah honestly i dont' know where the overwhelming townreads on them are either, as best as i can tell there's like two slots townreading them so that feels like a bunch of baloney too

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go on...

RC handbook on Skitter told me she was scum.
ANd unfortunately I am not sharing anything from the rc handbook.

yeah you're gonna have to elaborate

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superbowl9 - town?
Petapan - town?
GFITAC (Gamma Emerald/Dr Easy Bake) - hard null
Deacon Blues (fferyllt/borkjerfkin) - null
Uncrowned - hard null
Dandelion Wine (Cephrir/Cabd) - scum? (i.e. this was the nullscum slot i referred to earlier)
midwaybear - town?
Something_Smart - null. if i had to pick a side +town but barely
Firebringer - idk (different than null in that i have things that point to both sides)
upside down sinkhole (Noraa/JacksonVirgo) - probably town but i dont' like it
Annie Edison (notscience/The Bulge) - scum
Lady Lambdadelta - town?
skitter30 - me

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Skitter's 774 over there is kinda garbage since she's got a ++++scum read on us.

no, i said that i have a +++scumread on you *if there's more than 2 scum in your thread*, which is not at all the same thing, adn something that i can't really assess right now
otherwise i don't have a read on you

[skitter30]

oh dear

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much better!!!

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noraa i'm townreading you for like exactly three posts that you made but just abt everything you've posted has been p awful ngl

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noraa i'm townreading you for like exactly three posts that you made but just abt everything you've posted has been p awful ngl

shouldn't u be SRing me then?

the three posts were very impactful. but you're doing a p good job at wearing away at them

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i'm not elaborating on it rn, sorry. i don't think it will be beneficial at this time.
(yes, i'm aware that i'm being vague and that this isn't helping you with the read, but i'm saying it's not a good idea anyways)

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Also I am going through your ISO and I can't really figure out what you're actually scumreading annie for

@skitter

oh this i'm pretty sure i said:
-> i'm p sure their observation last night abt me having more reads in the other thread was throwaway shade than anything else, and given that i can't really get an elaboration on tha,t until i do i'm assumign that's what it is. it doesn't feel like a real thought that actually lead to a scumread, although they were *acting* like it should be a reason to scumread me even though as best as i can tell they haven't actually made a connection between 'more reads onpeople in the other thread' and 'scumread', nor have they explained why my doing that is more egregious than ... literally anybody else who's done that. i'm not gonna drop it till they elaborate because it felt more like shade than anything else

-> buddying brian (already explained this one)

-> and just a lot of post are pinging me all around

-> they're also acting like they have more townreads than they actually do, feels like they're trying to project confidence and an air of gravitas (this one is new, don't think i elaborated on this one yet )

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no idea but it doesn't feel like a real read he has

i couldn't tell *why* they're doing these things, more os much as all of their posts are pinging 'BAD' 'WRONG' 'FAKE'

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-> buddying brian (already explained this one)

what does scum have to gain from buddying people in other thread exactly

also they're trying to get to the other thread anyways so

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-> i'm p sure their observation last night abt me having more reads in the other thread was throwaway shade than anything else, and given that i can't really get an elaboration on tha,t until i do i'm assumign that's what it is.

weird thing to shade u on

i mean i think it was throwaway shade, i don't think they expected me to keep going on abt it, but here i am

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idk. it was a question taht didn't make sense to begin with, and when i pointed that out it morphed to a half-baked 'oh but you have more reads over there than here oh no!!! and you have no content if we discount half of your content'

i mean what am i supposed to do with that

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the fact that it's in the other thread isn't relevant? it's just that i think they're doing it to brian and brian happens to be in the other thread. i haven't noticed them doing it to you so i don't have much of an opinion on that

(or at least, to me, it looks similar to whenever you lot all get together and i cant' tell the difference between what he's doing now and how he would normally treat you. and i skip over a lot of the posts that are within the {cabd hydra/ffery hydra/not science hydra} cuz i don't know what they're going on abt anyways most of the time)

i don't know how else ot elaborate on what i don't like wrt the shade

[skitter30]

perhaps because the signature is inscrutable.

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tbf i literally thought until right now that bourbon was ffery ...
like i said, signing in a way that would help other players identify who's talking would be helpful

and sure, i can talk abt other reads, which ones?

[skitter30]

and I don't think all our interactions have been "eyes glaze over meta content", esp the stuff posted by me and not ffery

also i don't think i said this either

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eh sorry i misunderstood your last post, ignore 857

i don't remember you guys and the notscience hydra interacting much. (and for the first ~15 pages i was actively confusing the two hydrae too, esp. cuz the avis are of similar-ish colors. i actually know which is which now so i imagine i'll probably actually remember who said at this point onwards)
most of what ffery was talking to cabd about i actively skipped because they were trying to be abstruse

[skitter30]

*who said what at this point onwards

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tbf i literally thought until right now that bourbon was ffery ...
like i said, signing in a way that would help other players identify who's talking would be helpful

and sure, i can talk abt other reads, which ones?

How about Dandelion Wine for starters?

scumpinging me, but willing to let it slide for a few irl days cuz it seems his attention isn't fully on this rn (and i hope everything is going ok for him) so not gonna pursue this just yet

(and sorry for being a bit annoyed, i'm discovering that this is one of my pet peeves)

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Spoiler:

I am gonna channel the SHIT out of flavor leaf this game in as many ways as possible.

Also signing is annoying but ya'll probably need it.

~TDB

* crickets intensify *

Notsci.. you two wouldn't have happened to roll scum together, would you have?

Are you currently singing kumbaiyah and reassuring her that you've got this?

~DGB

Because you get xeno part 2 electric boogaloo as town

Or the chance to get an inside look at the solvers as scum

I guess.

I would have rather been something like neighborizer or whatnot but here we are.

My feelings about both my role and my desire to hard effort vs be lazy day one are in complete flux.

I was hoping mechtalk with borkie would pull me out of it, but lolnope. Every cough is a potential death flag today :/

~TDB

these posts in particular pinged me. before you ask, no i do not know how to articulate why.

and in general cabd feels weird but like i said i'm fine letting that slide for a bit of time

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Oh is skitter still trying to pretend I’m a viable miselim this game?

Cobra Kai Never Dies this game, and that’s a promise you can take to the bank.

Hi Ceph are you guys scum?

no, but i think you're scum

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If there's a tomorrow for us we can circle back to some of the other stuff; i'll have more opinions on it by then

also i'm now townreading ur hydra

[skitter30]

well if i were scum looking for streetcred i'm sure i woiuld have come to that 30 pages ago, but luckily i'm not and this is when i get the read

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i literally don't remember that happening
that doesn't meant that i'm trying to say that you're not engaging with them, it means that i don't remember it happening. those aren't the same thing, and please don't put words in my mouth.

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And I’m saying it’s hard to believe someone who’s been tunneled on us the entire day phase not remembering one of the central parts of my ISO is sketchy

well i don't, it probably happened in the ~10 pages i skimmed at work.

and yeah i suppose it's possible i'm tunneled but literally everything you say feels wrong so i feel p good abt this for now
like even this post feels wrong.

and at least if you're scum i can rule out several people as being scum

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All but the last one are posts chivvying me to get my butt into the thread and comprehend what he was trying to tell me.

metaphors aren't as easy as a neighborhood, but they usually get the job done. Except when my brain isn't working. :/

You're scumreading him for stuff I'm townreading him for. I discussed it a little in my back-and-forth with Tammy.

i mean, hey, we already established that i'm not great with the metaphor and allegory when you're trying to be abstruse

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@pooky i think u and gypyx are town, and there's a better than decent chance a50 is as well

[skitter30]

finally

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again, i would like to reiterate that hte things a50 are being scumread for atm are nai at best for him, and this is coming from someone who has *a lot* of meta with him and can usually get a decent read on him off of like a handful of posts

[skitter30]

man i would unvote you again if i could

[skitter30]

superbowl can i interest u in unvoting annie edison?

[skitter30]

There’s also the “move townie people over there thing”

And I’m a townie. Even if I don’t get to cross thread solve.

I’m not fighting for the n1 slot I’m perfectly fine with the ensuing 30 page neighborhood

Ninja-
You don’t like meta we get it and don’t care and won’t stop using it so you can get bullshit pushes on town.

i mean you're acting like it's a given that it's going to be you and that everyone is townreaing you when the former isn't a given and the latter isn't really happening

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Brian scum equity with S_S goes down bc S_S isn’t in a hydra.

lol

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notscience who exactly are the many many many people that are townreading you just now?

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HOW ARE YOU TOWN
You keep saying you’re obvtown but have nothing to back it up with

They're not obvtown at all. They just look like a ridiculously scummy slot doing nothing but pushing LHF. Thats what it looks like from my pov.

wait who's the lhf

pedit they aren't even really pushing you tho

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notscience who exactly are the many many many people that are townreading you just now?

so why have you been acting all day like it's a dead obvious fact that you are the towniest town to ever town in this thread when ... that is not the case

[skitter30]

Do I have to be pushed to articulate myself so someone can understand my perspective and better read me?

yes

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Skitter I’m definitely pushing Noraa and this is the second time you have avoided things I’ve actually done this game

Ninja-
Because I was mistaken, unlike you blatantly misrepping my ISO.

a) i disagree with that assessment
b) if the second is addressed to me, i have not blatantly misrepped your iso and you have had a ridiculously inflated opinion of your own towniness and that's a significant portion of why i scumread you

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That’s literally my shtick

i mean i've not seen it before so like

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sounds like a plan
tho i think u should just push me tho if u think i'm scummy

[skitter30]

well i'm just happy that others are seeing it now too

[skitter30]

superbowl r u possibly an alt of someone i know?

[skitter30]

wait really? was thinking someone else

[skitter30]

annie is everyone pushing u scum or

[skitter30]

i am ... you're building up to discrediting and/or pushing superbowl

[skitter30]

just out of curiosity have u actually talked to rc about my scumgame or nah

pedit i mean yes, exactly, hence why i was calling it shade

[skitter30]

thank you ...

pedit the posts that you were just quoting an how i think it's a scummy push on me / shade

[skitter30]

i will say tho that if annie edison is scum, several people probably aren't, including: pooky, a50, ss (?) and possibly someone else (it's big game and i don't remember the hwole pl off the top of my head)

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i mean we've just established that the thing i'm calling them out for (which you didn't like) did in fact happen

so why am i still scummy exactly?

[skitter30]

skitter are you expecting to be turnstiled first?

idk if 'expect' is really the right word? this is a weird question

skitter are you expecting to be turnstiled first?

idk if 'expect' is really the right word? this is a weird question

is there a better word for it?

i don't understand what you're getting at

385 and 398 are atrocious and i have spent quite a lot of the day talking about them, perhaps i will jsut requote half my iso

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pooky, a50, ss

what a weird list. this explainable or no?

-b

they'd tell them that picking a silly inane fight with me to make a lolpush is a really not so great idea, and as the bulge is doubling down that doesn't seem to be happening

but also notice how he's agreeing with me that his posts were basically shade / building up to a push? like you were saying earlier you didn't see it but he's agreeing with me that that's what they were meant to be

[skitter30]

i think largely notscience and the bulge just showed up like on the previous page

[skitter30]

hydrae signing, etc

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just out of curiosity have u actually talked to rc about my scumgame or nah

pedit i mean yes, exactly, hence why i was calling it shade

what did you want to talk to me about?

i'm p sure this is the first bulge post

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ahhh ok they're at l-1 and in this sort of game that could be an easy hammer so VOTE: annie edison but purely to rpevent a lolhammer atm, i'm still voting in spirit

[skitter30]

is the bulge still around or did he like vanish
pedit well not anymore

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well i'm just happy that others are seeing it now too

This post gives me the willies

oh, do go on

[skitter30]

i'm not sure yet
pedit preventing you from getting hammered, aren't i considerate

[skitter30]

if i didn't tho and i were scum i abso-fucking-lutely could have gotten that lolhammer before anybody would have noticed, ty

[skitter30]

my scumgame has evolved and yes i would

[skitter30]

fire if scum!me could have gotten that lolhammer i would have done my darndest to make it happen

[skitter30]

oh, do go on

Maybe I've just been accustomed to gaslighted-skitter who had the whole game telling her that her most confident scumread was wrong. But this seems like not the attitude that I've seen you adopt toward scumreads usually (usually it's "I think this person is scum and I want other people to talk to me and help me figure it out" rather than "I think this person is scum and I want other people to see the same way I do and scumread them too").

i'm still annoyed from pyp (or more accurately i stopped being annoyed until the game ended this morning, when i got annoyed again) and spending like 30 pages trying to argue with people today that i'm wrong is making me annoyed again and i'm kind of in a ~finally people are seeing that i'm right~ vibe because this has been happening to me a lot recently.

and i'm working on getting other people to see it too - we just got to e-1

and clearly what i usually do isn't working given games like pyp etc, it's basically happened like 4 times in my last five games or so where i find scum, shout it to the rooftops, everyone ignores me, i die, i shout from the dead thread, rinse, repeat, and it's frustrating

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fire if scum!me could have gotten that lolhammer i would have done my darndest to make it happen

r u saying u see notsci as a threat? I don't believe you when you say this because the underlying assumptions that you would feel the need to do your darndest for a day 1 miselimination

ur gonna say that is ur scum game?

no? i didn't say they were a threat. i'd take any old lolhammer if it happens to come my way, and this nice juicy one just swept by, and if i were scum and just put all this time and effort into it it would be really nice to capitlize on it

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How concerned are you that you aren't right?

i am slightly worried that i'm tunneled but i'm still not getting what i need out of them to break me out of that. i'm willing to entertain the notion which is why i unvoted cuz i don't want to actually hammer them until i can actually talk to the bulge cuz that's what i'd need here to break out of this if i am

also a lot of the people that i'd do a better job at like ~talking things through with~ are over there

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fair enuf. i don't want to get into a semantics argument either but i disagree with what your'e saying there

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is the bulge around or not ... ?

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i'm willing to entertain the notion which is why i unvoted cuz i don't want to actually hammer them until i can actually talk to the bulge cuz that's what i'd need here to break out of this if i am

Why didn't you say this when you originally unvoted?

i thought that was obvious?

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ahhh ok they're at l-1 and in this sort of game that could be an easy hammer so VOTE: annie edison but purely to rpevent a lolhammer atm, i'm still voting in spirit

or at the very least i thoguht that's what i was getting at when i was saying i didn't want a hammer rn ...

pedit yes i keep saying i want to talk to the bulge and asking if he's around or not, it's like the third time i've said it since he made that one post

and if he isn't i want to go to bed ...

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is the bulge still around or did he like vanish
pedit well not anymore

i've been waiting for this ^

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notsci is the bulge around or not ...

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notsci is the bulge around or not ...

hellooooooo anybody over there or not ?

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ok well i'm going to go to bed now and i would like him to address 514, 794 (unless you wrote it, in which case you address it please), 796 (i.e. where exactly the masses of townreads that you think were on you at that point in the game were), and 823

fire i would like to know how exactly you think this game looks anything like anything rc may have told you abt my scumgame.

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Unwnd: Let's fucking well talk about your take that this is T-T and skitter's playing with eggs, yeah? Unpack that for me, bae.

yes, plz

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i don't why skitter keeps insisting on wanting to talk to the bulge rather than just posting questions to ask to him this is a forum you know, you can just post things and leave it for the other person to read

Because i was (am) pretty sure that if i didnt get to talk to him in real time, it wouldnt happen, and it still hasnt (it'a not like they've, you know, actually addressed my issues at any point in this 40 page shitshow, instead opting to just ignore me); i think you (someone?) asked earlier if my scumread actually goes beyond 'meh bad vibes', it does, and i'm a little peeved that despite trying and trying and trying i couldnt (and still havent) gotten what i'd need to address those things to actually get out of this if i'm wrong

( annie edison if you had just, like, responded to my points earlier on, instead of waltzing in here and insisting youre obvtown when you objectively werent, there's a p decent chance that whole thing doesnt happen ...; i refuse to take the entire blame for this shitshow, although i do apologize for my part of it)

I still dont townread them, and probably cant at this point.
This is probably the simplest solution
UNVOTE: turnstile annie edison

While i'm at it UNVOTE: uncrowned

for everyone saying i'm scum who was just egging on tvt noraa vs annie edison:

A) why didnt i just let the annie edison wagon go through again? I dont get why any of you lot thinks i unvote there as scum, doing so literally defeats the purpose of what i'd have been doing because it deflated the entire wagon ... like i force an e-1 wagon and just drop it when i get it? I just let the tension drop when i imagine if i let it keep going i would have gotten that lolhammer? what i objectively did doesnt even match what you lot are saying i'm doing - the breathing space and deescalation happened at least in part because i unvoted, and that's why i did it .....; i was trying to make sure i got what i needed to be confident enuf to let the day end before *actually* letting it go to hammer

like you lot are basically saying i'm scum forcing the fight, which i then chose to deescalate instead of actually seeing through.
I cant fathom why i would have dropped it there as scum.

B) i said fairly early on that noraa was town (and i'm p sure i came to that conclusion well before anybody else did in this game) and after that kinda ignored her posts because they were ate spam, i dont think i even interacted with her at all after a specific point in the night

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UNVOTE: gamma

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Also a few things i wanna say to ss:

i thought that was obvious?

That you needed to talk to Bulge before executing them?

...nope, not obvious at all. It read like a generic "don't want the day to end unexpectedly" unvote.

The fact that i immediately thereafter asked abt bulge is what made it obvious to me, i didnt want hammer till i could talk to him:

ahhh ok they're at l-1 and in this sort of game that could be an easy hammer so VOTE: annie edison but purely to rpevent a lolhammer atm, i'm still voting in spirit

is the bulge still around or did he like vanish
pedit well not anymore

~

oh, do go on

Maybe I've just been accustomed to gaslighted-skitter who had the whole game telling her that her most confident scumread was wrong. But this seems like not the attitude that I've seen you adopt toward scumreads usually (usually it's "I think this person is scum and I want other people to talk to me and help me figure it out" rather than "I think this person is scum and I want other people to see the same way I do and scumread them too").

I think this is a bizarre af take given pyp and how i p clearly felt abt how the lilith wagon playes out

~

I feel like executing skitter day 1 is just a bad idea even if she's super scummy (which she isn't).

Even if we do get a chance to hear from her six days down the line.

I also dont entirely understand how you're reading me just now, i was under the impression that you scumread me?

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Sorry then i dont know what you were trying to say
I was under the impression he was around at the same time and that he would be getting to what i wanted to talk to him abt shortly and then that just never happpened

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I think he would be posting more (at all) as town

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I think he would be posting more (at all) as town

Is this a "in general thing" or do you have specific reasons to believe this is true of this player and not anyone else?

Bit of both, i think he would be more interested in posting if he were town
Tbf i think there might be more of a timezone issue, but i would expect like something?

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Ftr gypyx is prob still town over there

And i'm still rather annoyed at annie edison but i shall drop it ig

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Noraa close to nothing that you're posting is being helpful, so if you could take a step back, that would be great

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Isnt it a 2 slot pt anyways, or am i missing something

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VOTE: turnstile

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Ya that's what i thought

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If it's an option i would kinda like to be turnstyled

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Superbowl i'm p sure i get what you're getting it and i think it's prob a good idea anyways

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I'm p sure u know the answer to that too

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Yeah but i assumed he was meming

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Also do u see what i liked abt noraa?

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Eh i wont force it if u really believe that r.e. fire but i think we should be getting me over there soonish

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God please stop posting abt that already, it's spam at this point

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Fine i'll take that, but strongly suggest the possibility that firr waa memeing

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So long as i'm soonish afterwards

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Guys can u both just stop

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ahhh ok they're at l-1 and in this sort of game that could be an easy hammer so VOTE: annie edison but purely to rpevent a lolhammer atm, i'm still voting in spirit

is the bulge still around or did he like vanish
pedit well not anymore

In my mind these two were part of the same thought, and i wanted to make sure i got the unvote out

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What part of it is bizarre? Even when you were hard pushing lilith, I felt like you were open to hearing other people's perspectives and engaging with them.

You remember how i also repeatedly kept telling mena that i'd get to say i told you so? That's apparently a p big motivating factor

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Well kinda lighthearted but also as a way to acknowledge that i was right. The post that pinged you is like coming from the same place in my mind

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Well kinda lighthearted but also as a way to acknowledge that i was right. The post that pinged you is like coming from the same place in my mind

But you don't yet know if you're right... the whole point of the "I told you so" was that it was contingent on you actually being right.

Yes, but i felt like i was right, that's what matters. I technically didnt know i was right abt lilith either

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i think most of the players off that wagon were people who are conscientious players that couldn't get away with a lolhammer

-ceph

I think without a recent vc + thread dynamic at the time + unvotes mean it was possible

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Or i was feeling annoyed that i'm often right (or think i'm right, whatever) and cant get people to listen to and felt vindicated when people actually do

That might not be *good* of me, but that's what i felt at the time, and i dont think that makes me scummy

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I'd vote fire but thinking it thru i probably wouldn't turnstyle vote annie

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Well I think Tammy and Nacho are town for defending me. Doesn't make sense for scum to not want me to die day 1. My day 1 lim brings zero new info and is unhelpful in every way possible.

cuz they were the FIRST defenders.

The sheepers afterwards don't get much credit.

Technically i was

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Heya boon!
Incidentally i think your slot is >rand scum!

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Eh just play from present, i would say

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'Thread health' and 'they can function better with the players on that side'

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'Thread health' and 'they can function better with the players on that side'

he's been trying to do it since the start of the game and said he wants to purple room with deacon, that's fairly disingenuous

Tbf i wasnt trying to be

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Yeah, Skitter pinging me hard, but last time she pinged me, she was an IC.

Then I replaced into a scum game of hers during an end day, didn’t catch up in time, and got night killed.

Wait which one is the latter

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that is both great and concerning given i gave the slot >rand chance of being scum

Heya boon!
Incidentally i think your slot is >rand scum!

This looks like it was a very specific way of wording it, which makes me believe scum want this to be gamefic, that uncrowned was greater than >rand chance of being scum, which they made 1 post, how are they any more rand chance.

I mean i said this several hours ago, well before you repped in. I think uncrowned would have actuallly posted something as town. It is just a bit more than >rand, and tbh i said that more cuz it would give u something to latch onto, which would in turn give me something i can read (probably)

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Yeah, Skitter pinging me hard, but last time she pinged me, she was an IC.

Then I replaced into a scum game of hers during an end day, didn’t catch up in time, and got night killed.

Wait which one is the latter

I wasn’t in it long enough to remember because you killed me. Didn’t wanna worry about me and my flipping of reads.

I actually dont remember that one, but eh i believe it

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Yes that is possible, hence slightly >rand and why i'm not especially pushing it!
And found it https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=80934

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still think suberbowl9 is town, lld probably is too. at the very least they're never scum together

Idk. I didn't get this impression. LLD isn't afraid to hardbus her teammates.

It wasnt the hardbus, it was the 'i'm a newbie' -> deathtunnel -> 'lol i have experience' -> 'oh whoops i'll back off' sequence that makes me think they arent partners

I kinda imagine that the whole misunderstand over sb9 being a newbie thing and subsequent interactions dont happen as partners

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Well that's a take

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I'm pretty sure there was a lot more to that push than just that, and good part of it had to do with semantics.

Maybe. I did skim a lot of it cuz it was happening at work, but that was my impression. I'll take another look.

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I'm pretty sure there was a lot more to that push than just that, and good part of it had to do with semantics.

Maybe. I did skim a lot of it cuz it was happening at work, but that was my impression. I'll take another look.

Yeah i looked at it again, i think what i was thinking happened did line up with what actually happened, and that they arent svs (and i independently townread sb9 at this point anyways)

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Flavor I’m saying for me. If I go over and you aren’t sure I’m town by D3 elim me.

Tbf if you go over he wont be able to

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I dont think he's super aware of what's going on because id he did i dont think he would be trying to oppose/antagonize me and annie at the same time

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Aside i forgot to say this, but spiffeh is most likely town

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Aside i forgot to say this, but spiffeh is most likely town

welcome to the club

Yeah i thought that a while ago, but i realized i never like documented it in thread

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also skitter how do u think my buss of u is going? I think we are fooling them really well.

I'll give u 8/10, keep it more secret next time

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Is it just because i said your slot was >rand or was there something else to it

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And honestly i think you're overvaluing how much scum wants to create scum-heavy threads to begin with

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eh i'm maybe getting townvibes from fl now

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i would like superbowl or fire more

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(also @superbowl i'm not even sure fire knows why you want him there ...)

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reiterating for the other thread: i actually *do* have experience with a50 and you lot are scumreading him for things that are nai for him