revO emaG - TENET

[GFITAC]

alright I'm ready to actually do things for this game
before I start does anybody have any parts they think I can skip wihtout losing a lot of info
-gamma

[GFITAC]

If you're interested in joining, you're welcome to apply, gatecrash, etc.

what is this, just a way of communicating across the time streams? Idk I personally think tackling this game by itself is all I'm comfortable doing this game day. I might work on reading the other game later, if I can muster the brainpower.

UNVOTE: superbowl9
UNVOTE: Petapan
UNVOTE: GFITAC
UNVOTE: Deacon Blues
UNVOTE: Uncrowned
UNVOTE: Dandelion Wine
UNVOTE: midwaybear
UNVOTE: Something_Smart
UNVOTE: Firebringer
UNVOTE: upside down sinkhole
UNVOTE: Annie Edison
UNVOTE: LadyLambdadelta
UNVOTE: skitter30

in the reverse timeline we operate by the rules of guilty until proven innocent

I noticed further down the line (aka the most recent VC) that there were >13 "unvotes", so this essentially has the "unlimited" part of the double day unlimited setup. Kinda weird thaat is a thing in only half the game but w/e

u kinda started similarly when u were scum last time in a game with town me

sounds like something scum me would do.

i haven't claimed scum in awhile too, which is scummy for me.

idk points to me for scum right now.

pls don't do this the whole game okay? Your posting rn looks like you're not doing this a whole bunch, but I'm not in a really jokey mood for this game mkay?

what if i just spent this whole game day just commenting on the other thread instead of talking to yall here?

idk
turnstile you for dramatic irony's sake?

[GFITAC]

Deacon needs to town enough for me to piss gamma off because hoooo boy once/if they do...

okay why are we trying to piss me off this game? I just checked and gammagooey isn't here unless I'm not aware of some "secret" alt, so this is targeted at me for some reason
-the one and only gamma emerald

[GFITAC]

Why do people have (0) next to their names in the vc? Should it be 13?

The number in parentheses is equal to REAL votes on a player. I;e if three people have unvoted someone then that number would be a three. Did this so it would be easier to count how many "votes" are actually on someone.

I think my main issue with this method is gonna be that VCA/wagon analysis/whatever you wanna dress it as will be a bitch in this time stream

[GFITAC]

:O its this thread!

sad to see you drew mafia in the reverse timeline's list

things don't work like that, alignment is the same in either

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i feel like the notion of trying to create a scumfree timeline is a p good one, except that we don't know if that's actually, like, possible in the way you lot want it to be
if there's 4 scum in your timeline and 2 in ours your plan will literally just fail because it will be impossible to remove all scum by day2
and we don't have enuf info to try to ensure that we can make that plan a success

if there's more than 2 scum in the other timestream imperium is ++++scum

actually i forgot about using the turnstile as an elim mechanism as a i wrote this ...
i still feel like it's probably a bit of a wild goose chase and that it's not super likely we'll be able to actually accomplish it

is that even a real way for town to win? I checked the stated wincon and it says "once all sator operatives are eliminated", which I think means the have to die, for real, and can't just be shuttled off to one timeline

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is it weird at the same time in both threads people pointing out that this plan could be a scum led plan?

its got my conspiracy feels to it when both threads mention that idea at same time

yeah and the potentially benefit of it making town win is like, not a thing
all sator operative need to legit die for town to win

[GFITAC]

kind of like firebringer tryharding actually tbh

idk how I feel about it but your approach seems good rn

[GFITAC]

I get slight town vibes on Brian atm because as I expect scum!him to try to play nicer w/ me instead of potentially putting him on my radar right away by pressuring me immediately

since when did spiffey become bad at mafia

I don't foresee this being enjoyable if I have to wade through quotes from another thread I'm trying to not concern myself with rn half the time

[GFITAC]

cuz ur probably scum

why tho

[GFITAC]

Oh come the fuck on, she should have all the puzzle pieces by now.

~TDB

what's this mean
also I don't think I'm gonna care much for taggin posts, I kinda feel me and debbie will have distinct enough styles to be told apart by that? but all prior posts and this one are -gamma if you want those tagged, just so I don't have to go back later if that's a must

[GFITAC]

to talk about signing some more as a general thing, I feel like telling exact heads isn't important unless you're gonna use meta, otherwise the key purpose is to tell opinions apart so you don't press someone on hydra dissonance like it's standard dissonance accidentally.

[GFITAC]

Nah it's cool. I can have both at once now, apparently.

I'm told you wanted to mechtalk, so let's mechtalk.

I am pretty sure I know what the Purple room is, how it works in detail, and how it ties to flavor.

~TDB

this was the thing I figured you meant when you said something "worse than being scum" had affected you mindset

[GFITAC]

I'm having AMOL paranoia about what ELSE the purple room might do. Am I being over the top with it?

what's the last book of

The Wheel of Time

got to do with this game?

also sorry you got COVID, my dude. Can't be great when you're raising a kid.

[GFITAC]

Spoiler: Deacon

it’s a matter of who can town it up the beyond the shadow of a doubt in this side and that’s my forte. Plus I want what Cabd brought up.

I am not liking firebringer at all.

I'm curious what's causing the scumvibes for fb because the best I can muster is his focus on the other thread makes this one harder to play in

@dandelion wine: NICE! I googled that acronym and that's the best option I saw on the wikipedia disambiguation page, and I'm glad I honed in on the possible meaning correctly.
I can't discern a relevant mechanic in that game relating to this one from the opening posts though, so I'll ignore this line of thinking until I see something that expands on it. I'll assume it exists already rather than pressing for it rn.

[GFITAC]

alright, to avoid burnout I'm gonna put this game on pause for a second, gonna foodtell (assuming that's slang for eating) and walk my dog

[GFITAC]

ITS FLAVOR TIME NOW MOTHERCLUCKERS
VOTE: LITTLE ANNIE ADDERALL

- GUY FUCKING FIERI

[GFITAC]

WE ARE THE SUPERIOR TIMELINE IN EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE
OUR DONKEY SAUCE RIVER RUNS FAST AND HARD ACROSS THEIR CORPSES

- GUY FUCKING FIERI

[GFITAC]

ITS FLAVOR TIME NOW MOTHERCLUCKERS
VOTE: LITTLE ANNIE ADDERALL

- GUY FUCKING FIERI

FORGOT ABOUT THE SETUP, DON'T CRY OVER SPILLED DONKEY SAUCE
UNVOTE: LITTLE ANNIE ADDERALL

- GUY FUCKING FIERI

[GFITAC]

you guys love to talk, don't ya?
I noticed some suspicion directed our way for debbie pushing annie edison. What's that about?

[GFITAC]

hrm? @superb
I have 0 idea what's going on atm, I just decided to post some since I was entering a lull in my games on main

[GFITAC]

hrm? @superb
I have 0 idea what's going on atm, I just decided to post some since I was entering a lull in my games on main

Guy Fieri Is The Actual C(k)ing?

Guy Fieri Is The Anti-Christ
It's a meme from the Homestuck fandom

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superb if you're thinking I'm playing similar too mbos 10 then you're straight up wrong
First off, hydra makes catching up harder. So no way I'm reading everything. Second, while I'm aware there's pressure on me I don't think in anywhere near as much of a panic mode as I was that game. My mood is essentially this here

[GFITAC]

why's noraa getting wagoned

[GFITAC]

E-2 is just about perfect. No lolhammers while the forward timeline gets their shit together and sends us their poor.

FFS FL

wait are we still doing the "send townreads to one side and scumreads to the other" plan? Last I checked the vibe was that was scum-led

[GFITAC]

our role isn't that great fwiw
we're just inverted BG, forwards VT
also limming us does spare us having to read this monster of a thread for a while, but I also really don't like the fact this wagon has become the thing with like, not even 48 hours of real time having passed
probably look on our wagon after we flip. I feel like I'm at a point in my gameplay where scum are getting emboldened to pushing me early.

[GFITAC]

superb I wanna ask how you read me in donner party real quick
because I know you were correct in mbos10 but I obvscummed by pushing your mason buddy
so I find it RIDICULOUSLY strange you have this confidence level when I've done nothing of the sort to incur that sort of opinion of me
Like, you say your read on me is all this game, but I have not done SHIT this game. So your confidence seems SUPER FORCED.

[GFITAC]

superb I wanna ask how you read me in donner party real quick
because I know you were correct in mbos10 but I obvscummed by pushing your mason buddy
so I find it RIDICULOUSLY strange you have this confidence level when I've done nothing of the sort to incur that sort of opinion of me
Like, you say your read on me is all this game, but I have not done SHIT this game. So your confidence seems SUPER FORCED.

I wasn't expecting to have this happen but thinking about what I wrote here, superb!scum makes sense
VOTE: annie edison if that was outstanding
UNVOTE: superbowl9

[GFITAC]

superb I wanna ask how you read me in donner party real quick
because I know you were correct in mbos10 but I obvscummed by pushing your mason buddy
so I find it RIDICULOUSLY strange you have this confidence level when I've done nothing of the sort to incur that sort of opinion of me
Like, you say your read on me is all this game, but I have not done SHIT this game. So your confidence seems SUPER FORCED.

You haven't done shit this game so you're not helpful even if you're town, thus I don't mind elimming you. That is my biggest motivator but you also have acted a little bit scummy. Also it fits my herosolve

Is your hero solve mostly PoE? Also you realize the number of scum this game ISN'T FIXED? So assuming you have THE EXACT SOLVE is riding a very fine line between deathly arrogant and straight-up scum indicative.
How have I acted scummy so far, as well?

[GFITAC]

i feel like i might stop reading other thread. they keep screaming nora is scum and i just don't feel like listening to it.
like a recorder on repeat.

I'm not gonna read it myself but does someone wanna fill me in why they think this?

[GFITAC]

superb I wanna ask how you read me in donner party real quick
because I know you were correct in mbos10 but I obvscummed by pushing your mason buddy
so I find it RIDICULOUSLY strange you have this confidence level when I've done nothing of the sort to incur that sort of opinion of me
Like, you say your read on me is all this game, but I have not done SHIT this game. So your confidence seems SUPER FORCED.

You haven't done shit this game so you're not helpful even if you're town, thus I don't mind elimming you. That is my biggest motivator but you also have acted a little bit scummy. Also it fits my herosolve

Is your hero solve mostly PoE? Also you realize the number of scum this game ISN'T FIXED? So assuming you have THE EXACT SOLVE is riding a very fine line between deathly arrogant and straight-up scum indicative.
How have I acted scummy so far, as well?

He's a policy fader at the expense of his life type of player.

okay. Why the FUCK am I a policy fade at this stage of the game??????
なんだと, Now I'm furious

[GFITAC]

superb I wanna ask how you read me in donner party real quick
because I know you were correct in mbos10 but I obvscummed by pushing your mason buddy
so I find it RIDICULOUSLY strange you have this confidence level when I've done nothing of the sort to incur that sort of opinion of me
Like, you say your read on me is all this game, but I have not done SHIT this game. So your confidence seems SUPER FORCED.

You haven't done shit this game so you're not helpful even if you're town, thus I don't mind elimming you. That is my biggest motivator but you also have acted a little bit scummy. Also it fits my herosolve

Is your hero solve mostly PoE? Also you realize the number of scum this game ISN'T FIXED? So assuming you have THE EXACT SOLVE is riding a very fine line between deathly arrogant and straight-up scum indicative.
How have I acted scummy so far, as well?

This post is your scummiest one thus far - im playing a game rn so i'll get more in-depth later

bullshit. You can't retroactively use my posting NOW to justify a scumread developed on my EARLIER POSTS.

[GFITAC]

the fact you're pushing me like this when I'm on the low end of the activity spectrum is opportunistic as fuck by the way.

[GFITAC]

if we're pushing noraa on thinking three scum being a perspective slip you also need to get superb for that

[GFITAC]

superb I wanna ask how you read me in donner party real quick
because I know you were correct in mbos10 but I obvscummed by pushing your mason buddy
so I find it RIDICULOUSLY strange you have this confidence level when I've done nothing of the sort to incur that sort of opinion of me
Like, you say your read on me is all this game, but I have not done SHIT this game. So your confidence seems SUPER FORCED.

You haven't done shit this game so you're not helpful even if you're town, thus I don't mind elimming you. That is my biggest motivator but you also have acted a little bit scummy. Also it fits my herosolve

Is your hero solve mostly PoE? Also you realize the number of scum this game ISN'T FIXED? So assuming you have THE EXACT SOLVE is riding a very fine line between deathly arrogant and straight-up scum indicative.
How have I acted scummy so far, as well?

This post is your scummiest one thus far - im playing a game rn so i'll get more in-depth later

bullshit. You can't retroactively use my posting NOW to justify a scumread developed on my EARLIER POSTS.

I literally did not do that...

You answered my question of "how have I been scummy" by saying THE POST WHERE I ASKED THE QUESTION WAS MY SCUMMIEST YET. If that's not what you're doing you're still dodging the question in essence.

[GFITAC]

yup
what's your perspective on what's happened so far Noraa?

[GFITAC]

That wasn't the point I was trying to make
your response essentially deflected from the real issue at hand

[GFITAC]

y'all realize this games been open for only like 60 hours atp right?

[GFITAC]

like honestly this thread is the unreasonable ones for wanting to rush shit so bad and if I weren't more useful rolewise here I'd make a bid to go there instead
pedit: but I WASN'T.

[GFITAC]

I think Noraa is town
:radical:

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if we're pushing noraa on thinking three scum being a perspective slip you also need to get superb for that

This is weird.

Gammas posts summed up to here from my memory is basically:

Why is Noraa being tunneled?

to

If Noraa is being tunneled, blah blah
The important part is that the above basically means that they are FINE with me dying day 1.

then they say that I'm town or did I get the order wrong? idk.

A lot of people that are not me are pushing you. I'm telling them that superb is doing that same shit so they need to not essentially bully you because you're not one of the popular kids rn. I'm not okay with you dying, but I'm challenging people on their mindsets

[GFITAC]

like honestly this thread is the unreasonable ones for wanting to rush shit so bad and if I weren't more useful rolewise here I'd make a bid to go there instead
pedit: but I WASN'T.

shade at me?

I didn't mean that as shade but you answered a question not directed at you re-affirming a past opinion you had that ended up wrong. So that doesn't really entice me to be soft in how I respond.

[GFITAC]

yup
what's your perspective on what's happened so far Noraa?

a mess. a hot fucking mess.

who do you think is scum in this thread rn? reasons would be fine but I just want the reads rn really

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I clicked that post link and I feel like I should respond to Titus’ thoughts on me.
First, I don’t really do as much activity-wise for hydra/alt games as I do for games I play on main. Sometimes I end up just lurking out because of disengagement, but even when I stay motivated to play I feel like I consistently trend lower on the activity scale in hydra games.
Second, this game has erupted with posts despite in essence being a 13p mini. You have to understand that will be off-putting for ANYONE not surfing that wave of activity. You also have only recently seen me deal with something like this in mbos 10 where I was scum, but you haven’t seen numerous town games where I’ve had to deal with this, one of which being Xenoblade 2 mafia.
So I think your limited experience with me recently is coloring your meta thoughts on me and making you default think I’m scum. But if you look at what I’m doing you’ll notice I’m nowhere near as desperate to claw my way into a good position as I was that game. I’m taking potshots at superb, but it’s not like I’m hounding him down like I did Morning Mage in mbos 10.

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hmm gamma's prob town which means i'm wrong on someone. probably not gonna think about it tonight

Gamma's reaction to coming back to being run up gives me those feels. though I feel like town-him would be a little bit more cautions about Noraa given the zeno game. I told bork he reminds me of the Island of Misfit Toys cameraderie.

bork doesn't have a confident handle on those interactions, though.

Anyway. Alter Ego is feeling a bit puppyish atm.

~ street

I’m aware my feeling here and feeling there are a bit mirrored, I realized that after thinking on 2388 and remembering I said the same thing in the other game too. And that’s because I do feel a little like things are happening similarly.
But I also think that there the way Noraa is handling her hydra partner’s absence might be a solid townpoint. My personal inclination when dealing with such a thing is to get upset, because that can be a game-killer if things go wrong, I have experience with it from a while back. But she just seems to be going with the flow on it. I’ll add more on this topic if/when I feel like it but that’s the big thing that makes me go “okay Noraa is town”.

Also, here is a big thing to consider on my end. In that Xenoblade 2 game I made an ass of myself which got me wagoned. Here I had 15 posts, none of which were really sticking out in any way imo. So the fact I got put into a similar position despite different circumstances suggests foul play imo.

[GFITAC]

flavor seems like flavor overall but i didn't like 2215 or 2258. im a few pages behind still though.

i have seen other games where half the town was crying and screaming begging for gamma to stop doing his stupid catchup and he absolutely refused, so im put off by him doing so now and i cant help but wonder if there is something to sb's point about the timing of gamma's return. their claim is uninteresting.

-ceph

Can I ask why the hell my timing was so criticized? Like, what do you want me to fucking do when the thread climate is that of a fucking runaway train? Y’all were barreling towards me with me completely unaware of the actual peril I was in, so if I DON’T pop in you guys just fucking mistreat me and probably continue at a ridiculously fast pace. We have regular deadlines for fuck sake this isn’t a blitz game!!! As for the catch up stuff, maybe it’s the fact that this is the third straight game I’ve played with cabd and co. that has become a spam fest, and I’m tired of trying to fucking read these long ass games. I busted my ASS to read Smoke Filled Antechamber and I recall catching shit for not finishing when I actually did. And when I tried to attack the source in Xenoblade 2 I was basically told to go to hell. And now I’m gettin shitpushed with <20 posts and y’all are angling to end D1 in <72 hours? Let’s also fucking note Cabd doesn’t seem to be doing his shit where he monitors the thread length. Idk there’s something fucked up here and I’m tired of being a cog in the machine.

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Ok. I have some things to say.

If Annie is town, they are hands down one of the worst players ever and I, to put it harshly, absolutely DESPISE players like this.
They think they're hot shit when they can't even read a newbie right/figure out how to read me without absolutely breaking them. Im taking out my DAMN noob card for this cuz I'm pissed.
I don't care what world you're from but in what fucking game does it ever seem like a good idea to tunnel a newbie straight off the bat?
Like you should know better than to do that considering every single game where I fucked up bad was SOLELY bc someone tunneled me for no reason.
See Mini whatever the dang number was Stuff I'm Listening to. Shea tunneled me and I died day 2 and never SRed a single scum that game.
See Mini whatever the dang number was Random Facts. BM tunneled me and I shot two town prs at night(I was 3 shot vig)
See Mini whatever the dang number was Haunted Village. Cobra tunneled me and I died day 1 with zero scum in my solve.

SERIOUSLY. WHERE IN THE FUCK and WHY IN THE FUCK would tunneling me straight off the bat EVER seem like a good idea?
This play is UTTER SHIT.
And so despicable.
Your way of reading me is BREAKING ME.

Regardless of your alignment, I seriously have no respect left for your play after this game.

If you are town, I admit I have fault. I got pissed. I got mad. But I am seriously fed up with all these shit ass mislims on me.
Each one with a half scum wagon.
Each one with some dumbasses using my own damn meta to kill town!me.
And each one of those dumbasses ending up being town anyways.

I was really upset with your play in Haunted Village and Xenoblade.

If you are scum this game, ur play has been absolutely FILTHY. Extremely dishonorable and dirty play.
If you are town, I am extremely disappointed and angry.

I am terribly pissed with how this game has treated me giving me not a single opportunity since my entrance and absolutely just breaking me down.
My town play is shit and I know it but rather than giving me time to improve, people have decided that breaking me and calling me obvscum 5 posts into the game is a good idea.

I have been so mad lately cuz of all my mislims and I don't care how much AtE I am throwing at this game in one singular post but I die day 1/2 far too often and yet NO ONE tries to understand my perspective. Instead players like Notsci think they are godly at reading me after catching scum me one time and tunnel me to fucking death.

To tell the truth, NO I never truly SRed Notsci. But I am fed up with how I am treated in games and being nice and mellow has done absolutely NOTHING for me. I just get tunneled over and over and then mislimmed again and again. I'm trying to learn but this type of shit treatment of me is just breaking me and I can't pick myself back up.

Its to a point where I can't find the motivation to stay alive in any game on site and I just wanna self hammer the moment the opportunity comes and immediately scum claim and vote myself regardless of my actual alignment.

Nowadays either my hydra buddy has to slap me every day to keep me focused or someone has gotta WK me hard for me to even have the motivation to stay alive in a stupid ass game.

Notsci, I want to tell you that I am extremely upset with your play and think it has made my time in this game absolutely miserable and regardless of your alignment I hope you think twice before you decide to break someone like this again.

I try so hard to be nice and cutesy and Noraa and what I get is just a shit load of people calling me confscum.

I don't deserve this and I am extremely mad.

This game isn't even that terrible but the build up of my mislims has reached a max and the explosion came to this game.

Im sorry for making this game miserable for everyone and I should go to the dead thread for making this game toxic.

UNVOTE: Noraa

Here’s a little fact
Cobra Kai = 1/2 of Annie Edison. The Bulge (who was in stuff I’m listening to) is the other half
And let’s also remember Annie Edison was in MafiaSunny, so like, something seems totally fucked about their approach regarding you given that.

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Okay
But the thing is, I started thinking about all the games I’ve been in with this bunch of people that have exploded in post count, and it becomes hard to reconcile any sort of good will towards that when I realize that this sort of high posting epidemic was a part of why I left the site last year, since probably the game that hit me the hardest on the “playing these game is becoming a burden vs. a pastime” realization was the first anon dance, where I kept trying to catch up but never could, partly because of the aforementioned issue with alt/hydra game activity.
The reason I don’t do those “obnoxious” catch ups is they’re not appealing to me and obviously no one else fucking cares for them so like, why try? And I’ve also had a lot of games where I got off without having to read the whole thing, for fuck’s sake I GOT N1ED IN A GAME I BARRLY READ. But that doesn’t mean I’m okay with the long-ass games. I’m not entirely innocent sometimes about posting a lot but I don’t turn games into longer ordeals than I think they should be. But it seems because the best way to win games is to scream at people until they kneel down at your feet in crumpled heaps, that’s like, the only way to play now. I swear this wasn’t the way the game was played when I started out here.

The bottom line is, I’m trying to justify my presence in this game and I’m drawing dead rn. I don’t think I fit in, not because you explicitly don’t want me, but because I don’t function well with your methods, and it seems you won’t change them.

[GFITAC]

roles like watcher should be on imperium.

If we hadn’t turnstiled LLD I would have suggested Imperium come here and I stick to them as BG

[GFITAC]

And then my last game I literally rolled town and decided "fuck it people are hyper posting I'm gonna post youtube videos and empty quote things until I feel like doing shit.

LLD you are my spirit animal. I think the Katsuki approach may end up being what I needed to maintain my sanity in games like this, thank you.

[GFITAC]

Okay wow
Yeah send Imperium over here so I can BG them y’all

[GFITAC]

Hench and I are essentially Masons.

I have the same read on A50 as you do, like the exact same, which I feel is a good sign that it's town A50.

I might have to read the other thread just to see if I townread A50 too
If so then yeah he’s townblock material for sure

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I'm really just gonna take Cabd's word for TownDeacon, and if they're scum, deal with it later.

However this seems like a game where I get night killed early, then everyone pushes it away as nothing

Deacon is scum on my list and Cabd!hydra is town on my list.

So I'm literally in this same position. I want to kill Deacon but I'm not in the practice of forcing votes past strong town reads day 1, tbh.

Does the guide you posted in Xenoblade 2 not apply?
Also I’m curious to know why you think it’s Deacon!scum Cabdhydra!town because my vibe is that cabdhydra might be scum, partly because of how both heads feel off regarding this activity situation, with cabd not doing his page count thing he would do before (which doesn’t seem to do shit anyway I’ll add), and Cephrir buying at me for the catch-up in that that gross way you see parents sneakily comment about their teenaged kids doing things they don’t normally do that the parents would like their kids to do, where they act shocked about how the kid actually showed improvement or initiative.

By the way about the turnstile thing, I think I read your pop in around this time as you being turnstiled, but I checked OP again and the playlist for this side is at 12 people rn so there hasn’t been someone coming in from over there yet

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I have a gut scum read on ffery head.

Cabd head is town from the stupid phone post comment, but the ffery head has done exactly 0 in this thread and only done cross thread stuff.

Which was a thing I wanted to be looking for from experienced players as a dodge tactic.

This is what I first got pinged on.

they were too cute with their itneraction on the crumbing thing and I went to read them both and the cabd hydra had a post that read holy shit gut town.

but Deacon was just... a fuck ton of cross thread stuff with no in thread content and when I called them on it their reaction was to reference FGO and my misread on them there.

Which didn't sit well with me, Peta.

I'm also not pursuing it today past Cabd who I am feeling v. good about being town, but it's on my "list of people who need a bullet" ye?

Okay fucking time out cos I actually called out FB on the cross-thread stuff? Why’s he get a pass?

[GFITAC]

Hero solve

Noraa, Deacon, Titus, Pooky, Brian Skies, and let's just throw Spiffeh in there to round it all out.

Spiffeh/Brian my weaker reads right on that right now.

Flavor you feel very real this game. This feels nothing like your game as Pretentious in Large 230, in a good way. Regardless of your alignment your play this game looks good, and I want to townread it but given the difference I’m wary.

[GFITAC]

Why is FB town but Deacon is scum? Is it just the way Deacon responded when you pressed them?

[GFITAC]

Gamma are you sure you're a bg in this timestream, and not in the other one?

Yes I’m quite sure.
Why’d you ask?

[GFITAC]

Since no one else took the time on this

Here’s a little fact
Cobra Kai = 1/2 of Annie Edison. The Bulge (who was in stuff I’m listening to) is the other half
And let’s also remember Annie Edison was in MafiaSunny, so like, something seems totally fucked about their approach regarding you given that.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Here is our ISO from that game.

We have 11 posts. We died D1. Noraa replaced in D2.

Someone beam this over, this is a sketchy as fuck comparison to make.

That’s one piece of the puzzle, I still think the other games I referenced are valid.

[GFITAC]

This post doesn't make sense given Gamma's current mindset - he's been posting actively and emotionally - heck he makes a huge ATE in this post! Yet he finished it off with "I can't justify my presence in this game"?? Nora is an example of someone who wants to be out of the game, but Gamma seems like they want the pity points but not the death that comes with them.

That wasn’t a thing about dying, I was talking about replacing out maybe being something I should do. I wouldn’t suggest I die rn when I could literally just die protecting imperium (assuming y’all actually come to your senses and send them to this side)
Also, about my interest in the game, FL’s presence didn’t do shit for me because I wasn’t even aware he was a replace-in when I came in at that time. And like, again, long-ass thread kinda makes things not-fun, so eat shit about how I’m adding nothing because you fuckers turned this game into a flood of posts that my contents just washes away in. It really seems like you’re trying to call me scummy for something that I had no fucking hand in.

[GFITAC]

Oh my god superb is fucking high

[GFITAC]

Gamma's only voting action for the entire game was to hop on the only wagon that has really picked up steam this entire game - Annie Edison's. His justification?

ITS FLAVOR TIME NOW MOTHERCLUCKERS
VOTE: LITTLE ANNIE ADDERALL

- GUY FUCKING FIERI

Other than this vote, what had gamma done before flavor leaf stepped into the game?

NOTHING.

I'm not joking with you, he didn't even put out

A SINGLE READ

before FL stepped in. Don't believe me? Here's his ISO up until 1901, when FL replaced in:

Spoiler: Gamma's ISO Before FL

alright I'm ready to actually do things for this game
before I start does anybody have any parts they think I can skip wihtout losing a lot of info
-gamma

If you're interested in joining, you're welcome to apply, gatecrash, etc.

what is this, just a way of communicating across the time streams? Idk I personally think tackling this game by itself is all I'm comfortable doing this game day. I might work on reading the other game later, if I can muster the brainpower.

UNVOTE: superbowl9
UNVOTE: Petapan
UNVOTE: GFITAC
UNVOTE: Deacon Blues
UNVOTE: Uncrowned
UNVOTE: Dandelion Wine
UNVOTE: midwaybear
UNVOTE: Something_Smart
UNVOTE: Firebringer
UNVOTE: upside down sinkhole
UNVOTE: Annie Edison
UNVOTE: LadyLambdadelta
UNVOTE: skitter30

in the reverse timeline we operate by the rules of guilty until proven innocent

I noticed further down the line (aka the most recent VC) that there were >13 "unvotes", so this essentially has the "unlimited" part of the double day unlimited setup. Kinda weird thaat is a thing in only half the game but w/e

u kinda started similarly when u were scum last time in a game with town me

sounds like something scum me would do.

i haven't claimed scum in awhile too, which is scummy for me.

idk points to me for scum right now.

pls don't do this the whole game okay? Your posting rn looks like you're not doing this a whole bunch, but I'm not in a really jokey mood for this game mkay?

what if i just spent this whole game day just commenting on the other thread instead of talking to yall here?

idk
turnstile you for dramatic irony's sake?

Deacon needs to town enough for me to piss gamma off because hoooo boy once/if they do...

okay why are we trying to piss me off this game? I just checked and gammagooey isn't here unless I'm not aware of some "secret" alt, so this is targeted at me for some reason
-the one and only gamma emerald

Why do people have (0) next to their names in the vc? Should it be 13?

The number in parentheses is equal to REAL votes on a player. I;e if three people have unvoted someone then that number would be a three. Did this so it would be easier to count how many "votes" are actually on someone.

I think my main issue with this method is gonna be that VCA/wagon analysis/whatever you wanna dress it as will be a bitch in this time stream

:O its this thread!

sad to see you drew mafia in the reverse timeline's list

things don't work like that, alignment is the same in either

i feel like the notion of trying to create a scumfree timeline is a p good one, except that we don't know if that's actually, like, possible in the way you lot want it to be
if there's 4 scum in your timeline and 2 in ours your plan will literally just fail because it will be impossible to remove all scum by day2
and we don't have enuf info to try to ensure that we can make that plan a success

if there's more than 2 scum in the other timestream imperium is ++++scum

actually i forgot about using the turnstile as an elim mechanism as a i wrote this ...
i still feel like it's probably a bit of a wild goose chase and that it's not super likely we'll be able to actually accomplish it

is that even a real way for town to win? I checked the stated wincon and it says "once all sator operatives are eliminated", which I think means the have to die, for real, and can't just be shuttled off to one timeline

is it weird at the same time in both threads people pointing out that this plan could be a scum led plan?

its got my conspiracy feels to it when both threads mention that idea at same time

yeah and the potentially benefit of it making town win is like, not a thing
all sator operative need to legit die for town to win

kind of like firebringer tryharding actually tbh

idk how I feel about it but your approach seems good rn

I get slight town vibes on Brian atm because as I expect scum!him to try to play nicer w/ me instead of potentially putting him on my radar right away by pressuring me immediately

since when did spiffey become bad at mafia

I don't foresee this being enjoyable if I have to wade through quotes from another thread I'm trying to not concern myself with rn half the time

cuz ur probably scum

why tho

Oh come the fuck on, she should have all the puzzle pieces by now.

~TDB

what's this mean
also I don't think I'm gonna care much for taggin posts, I kinda feel me and debbie will have distinct enough styles to be told apart by that? but all prior posts and this one are -gamma if you want those tagged, just so I don't have to go back later if that's a must

to talk about signing some more as a general thing, I feel like telling exact heads isn't important unless you're gonna use meta, otherwise the key purpose is to tell opinions apart so you don't press someone on hydra dissonance like it's standard dissonance accidentally.

Nah it's cool. I can have both at once now, apparently.

I'm told you wanted to mechtalk, so let's mechtalk.

I am pretty sure I know what the Purple room is, how it works in detail, and how it ties to flavor.

~TDB

this was the thing I figured you meant when you said something "worse than being scum" had affected you mindset

I'm having AMOL paranoia about what ELSE the purple room might do. Am I being over the top with it?

what's the last book of

The Wheel of Time

got to do with this game?

also sorry you got COVID, my dude. Can't be great when you're raising a kid.

spoiler=Deacon removed for formatting

it’s a matter of who can town it up the beyond the shadow of a doubt in this side and that’s my forte. Plus I want what Cabd brought up.

/spoiler

I am not liking firebringer at all.

I'm curious what's causing the scumvibes for fb because the best I can muster is his focus on the other thread makes this one harder to play in

@dandelion wine: NICE! I googled that acronym and that's the best option I saw on the wikipedia disambiguation page, and I'm glad I honed in on the possible meaning correctly.
I can't discern a relevant mechanic in that game relating to this one from the opening posts though, so I'll ignore this line of thinking until I see something that expands on it. I'll assume it exists already rather than pressing for it rn.

alright, to avoid burnout I'm gonna put this game on pause for a second, gonna foodtell (assuming that's slang for eating) and walk my dog

ITS FLAVOR TIME NOW MOTHERCLUCKERS
VOTE: LITTLE ANNIE ADDERALL

- GUY FUCKING FIERI

WE ARE THE SUPERIOR TIMELINE IN EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE
OUR DONKEY SAUCE RIVER RUNS FAST AND HARD ACROSS THEIR CORPSES

- GUY FUCKING FIERI

ITS FLAVOR TIME NOW MOTHERCLUCKERS
VOTE: LITTLE ANNIE ADDERALL

- GUY FUCKING FIERI

FORGOT ABOUT THE SETUP, DON'T CRY OVER SPILLED DONKEY SAUCE
UNVOTE: LITTLE ANNIE ADDERALL

- GUY FUCKING FIERI

My goal here is to show Gamma's apathy - keep that word in mind as we move along. Because although this lack of contribution is deserving of a push and a default scumlean (which is what I'd given the slot at the time), it's not something I'd be writing up this post about.

YOU’RE ABOUT TO FEEL MY RAGE!

You do realize this is a hydra slot you DUMBFUCK??? THOSE LAST 3 PRE-FL POSTS WERE BY DEBBIE, NOT ME! YOU NEED TO LEARN TO FUCKING READ SHIT ABOVE A THIRD-GRADE LEVEL FOR FUCKS SAKE! NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY NANCY GOT FLUSTERED AND UPSET WITH ME WHEN I PUSHED HER HYDRA IN ANOTHER GAME ON HER PARTNER’S POSTS, BECAUSE THAT IS A REALLY UNFUN THING TO DEAL WITH. AND I DO HAVE TO ASK WHY YOU THINK FL REPLACING IN WOULD GUVE ME MOTIVATION WHEN THAT DOESN’T SOLVE THE DPAM ISSUE, IT REALLY JUST MAKES IT WORSE! NO OFFENSE TO HIM, BUT HE IS A POSTING MACHINE.

IN ADDITION

, CLAIMING I HAD NO READS BEFORE FL CAME IS A

STRAIGHT UP FUCKING LIE

, I HAD ACTUALLY SPOKEN OF SUSPICIONS ON FB IN ONE OF MY POSTS. SO FUCK OF TO HELL WITH YOUR FALSE ACCUSATIONS YOU SHITWEED!!!!!! YOU MAKR THIS FUSS ABOUT “VOTING ACTION” BUT VOTES DON’T MEAN READS, RVS IS A THING FOR ONE! I REALLY JUST FEEL APPALLED YOU THINK ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PART OF YOUR POST IS VALIF.

[GFITAC]

This is 100% the maddest I’ve been in any game ever. That read on me is just absolute horse shit.

[GFITAC]

Firebringer and Gamma slot. Really.

Guys, this is killing me.

ScumSkitter is literally taunting me here.

I don’t want to tell Debbie to pack sand when he told me he cares about this game when I asked but if you’re just going to treat this slot as me alone I might just have to.

[GFITAC]

Again, not sure why you're so mad. You want to stick around so you can do.... what exactly?

I’m mad because your case is based in things that JUST ARE NOT TRUE!!!! THAT WAS DEBBIE’S POST NOT MINE, I HAD AN OPINUON ON FB, FL’S PRESENCE DIDN’T MOTIVATE ME AND HAD NO LOGICAL REASON TO, AND YOU’RE BASIVALLY BEING A DICK TO ME OVER IT!!! YOU’VE COMPLETELY WRITTEN ME OFF AS SCUM FOR A SHIT CASE AND YOU HAVE THIS CALLOUS ATTITUDE WHERE YOUCALL MT DEATH NO BIG LOSS!!! ON ONE LEVEL I DON’T MUCH CARE ABOUT WHETHER I LIVE BUT ON ANOTHER I REFUSE TO DIE ATVTHE HANDS OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

[GFITAC]

Firebringer and Gamma slot. Really.

Guys, this is killing me.

ScumSkitter is literally taunting me here.

I don’t want to tell Debbie to pack sand when he told me he cares about this game when I asked but if you’re just going to treat this slot as me alone I might just have to.

Signing might help - you've signed literally 1 post

I said I don’t care to sign
Debbie has signed his posts as GUY FUCKING FIERI

For someone so bent out of shape about my hydra’s first 20ish posts YOU’D THINK YOU’D ACTUALLY SHOW BEYOND AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LEVEL OF READING COMPREHENSION ON THEM!!!!!!!

[GFITAC]

You’re in my town block.

What does that have to do with me being here? Do you want me to help you solve?

Yeah, I’m gonna sheep you on Gamma, I’m just waiting to hammer without a claim them.

Why are we friends? It seems you never resist a chance to throw a knife into my back. Weren’t you TRing me not too long ago? If you’re that fucking bipolar about your read o me you should just leave that read eternally blank.

[GFITAC]

i dont think scum!gamma would lie abt that

Okay nope skitter is scum
She’s attacking my claim not by saying I’m lying about being BG, but that I’m lying/wrong about WHICH TIME STREAM IT WORKS IN
that’s just not right on so many levels. If you think my BG claim is true why think it’s a scum role? It literally just trades scum for scum (or even worse, scum for town) in any case where it would do the stated purpose. It’s nothing like scum doc because the numbers don’t change because one scum died over another. In addition, it’s common for scum to assume a claim is true since they don’t have to sort the alignment of the claimant. But beyond that she seems to be taking a shot at me by saying I got the side wrong? That looks like scum straining to find an angle to push me on.

UNVOTE: Skitter
I’m still pissed at superb but this is just not how town handles a claim like mine.

[GFITAC]

I think her saying I’m town doesn’t really disqualify all the points I put out

[GFITAC]

@cabd see if gamma will promise to target fairylit

Sure ig

[GFITAC]

superbowl scumcasing a general LHF in Gamma seems townie?

Why????

[GFITAC]

i dont think scum!gamma would lie abt that

Okay nope skitter is scum
She’s attacking my claim not by saying I’m lying about being BG, but that I’m lying/wrong about WHICH TIME STREAM IT WORKS IN
that’s just not right on so many levels. If you think my BG claim is true why think it’s a scum role? It literally just trades scum for scum (or even worse, scum for town) in any case where it would do the stated purpose. It’s nothing like scum doc because the numbers don’t change because one scum died over another. In addition, it’s common for scum to assume a claim is true since they don’t have to sort the alignment of the claimant. But beyond that she seems to be taking a shot at me by saying I got the side wrong? That looks like scum straining to find an angle to push me on.

UNVOTE: Skitter
I’m still pissed at superb but this is just not how town handles a claim like mine.

And i'm just throwing up my hands at this because it's wildly inaccurate:

- i never said or implied it was a scum role
- i wasnt taking a shot at you by saying you got the thread wrong. I said that if you did it would be +town, not that if you didnt it was +scum, which is not at all the same thing
- i settled on you being town anyways ffs

Okay, maybe my points are all ass. But your reaction to my claim just has a bad vibe. What fucking reason is there to think I’m wrong about which side I work on? You have not justified that opinion anywhere. And like, you may trust my claim but the way you’ve talked about the scum chances of it don’t look natural at all regardless of whether you’re pushing that line of logic.

superbowl scumcasing a general LHF in Gamma seems townie?

Why????

Seems too high effort

I can kinda see this, but like, his case is absolute trash so either he’s scum pushing a trash case on LHF, or extremely awful town.

[GFITAC]

Again reeeeeeeaaaaaaaly want to talk to gamma preflip

And superbowl i'm not sure i see town!lld thus far

what's this about pre-flip?

[GFITAC]

Some people are really just shit at reading me.

I am not one of them.

if ur town, yes you tf are.

Disagree.

I'm actually 100% accurate so far in regards to reading you.

You still assume a scum push is a scum read is a lock scu#badpostm.

You have one game with me where ur not scum. Reading me right once doesn't mean shit.

Hey, I was just posting a fact.

A little boonie told me that I know how scum you is, but again, I used you for reaction purposes here, albeit I don't town read you.

#badpost
boon might be scum

[GFITAC]

Interesting.
Does the preflip bit make you think of anything?

NO, I just thought you had been hammered already for some reason
What should it repmind me of?

[GFITAC]

I mean maybe

Anyways gaaaaaammmma thoughts?

about what? When you say yout think there's something to make my alignment obvious I would think you'd make the first step in that interaction?

[GFITAC]

LLD so townie, even though I town read unwnd.

I think I agree that LLD is town
haven't looked at unwnd in the other thread so can't say how I read him

[GFITAC]

Interesting.
Does the preflip bit make you think of anything?

NO, I just thought you had been hammered already for some reason
What should it repmind me of?

Lilith's betrayal game

I can see some similarities possibly on your end, are you also suggesting flavor is scum like in that game?

[GFITAC]

nah, i just have more meta reasons for Noraa that I can't say right now. You not seeing it is bad.

This is not a bad post, even if Noraa is town.

You really need to get that out of your vocabulary.

the meta making noraa look scum to you is probably why I think she's town. We'll duke this out later possibly.

[GFITAC]

gotta stop acting like I was really in that game, Gamma. I was in for less than 24 hours after replacing in on what, Day 4? and I trolled that game

you were still there for a non-infinitesimal amount of time.

[GFITAC]

Hi gamma got any advice if I end up misfading you?

git gud skrub

[GFITAC]

But ok lets rewind why are you scumreading me again?

You feel like you're trying to sway people over working with them. You have a couple of times where I feel like you're posting stuff that doesn't make sense (most notably the post about Gamma retracting that I called out). And when you pushed lilith in PYP I really felt a combination of confidence and fear that you would be ignored (while also trying to keep yourself from tunneling) and I really don't see any of that nuance in your reads here.

what's about me retracting something?

[GFITAC]

But ok lets rewind why are you scumreading me again?

You feel like you're trying to sway people over working with them. You have a couple of times where I feel like you're posting stuff that doesn't make sense (most notably the post about Gamma retracting that I called out). And when you pushed lilith in PYP I really felt a combination of confidence and fear that you would be ignored (while also trying to keep yourself from tunneling) and I really don't see any of that nuance in your reads here.

SS, Dandelion, Myself, Firebringer all see scumSkitter here. This is extremely strong and scum indicative of Skitter. The fact we all have different reasons for scum reading them.

Also, Gamma, Skitter claimed PR, and is pushing you, a role that could save her a night, and she's actively acting like she's useless over here based on PR's when she actively stated earlier she doesn't care about claims, crumbs, mechanics.

Um no, skitter has called me town a good amount here, she's not pushing me, don't try to gaslight like that.
VOTE: skitter
not feeling this anymore

[GFITAC]

gamma u suck at reading.
she just called u scum.

where????? like pls point it out because I don't want to have to read the thread Karkat-style to find it
I don't think she appeals to me like this while thinking I'm scum, swo this is such a weird thing to happen

[GFITAC]

what did dandelion soft CC skitter on?
Like you're saying all thee things that happened and expecting me to just nod along with you

[GFITAC]

SS, Dandelion, Myself, Firebringer all see scumSkitter here. This is extremely strong and scum indicative of Skitter. The fact we all have different reasons for scum reading them.

Also, Gamma, Skitter claimed PR, and is pushing you, a role that could save her a night, and she's actively acting like she's useless over here based on PR's when she actively stated earlier she doesn't care about claims, crumbs, mechanics.

Again, tomorrow

But if hammer before then: strongest scumreads here are gamma and fire
Deacon and superbowl are town
And rest of my reads are as i stated when claiming.

Hp is scum on the other side

Dont vote out a50 for the current reasons given

Dont let fl control everything

okay what the fuck
why am I scum now?

[GFITAC]

what did dandelion soft CC skitter on?
Like you're saying all thee things that happened and expecting me to just nod along with you

Man i cannot wait to pounce on this stuff if skittle misfades

I'm sorry you're going to attack me for SHOWING SKEPTICISM TOWARDS A MISFAADE? Am I reading that right?

[GFITAC]

She's also pushing Gamma, the claimed BG as the only PR claimed in this thread.

I'm p sure it's been established multiple times across multiple games that i really, really dont care abt mechanics, claims, nebulous crumbs pulled from the ether, etc

okay yeah this is ass
if you don't care about mechanics then why make such a fuss about your vague-ass crumb of PR in the forawards time stream?
UNVOTE: skitter
I'm back on board with this

[GFITAC]

Okay, maybe my points are all ass. But your reaction to my claim just has a bad vibe. What fucking reason is there to think I’m wrong about which side I work on? You have not justified that opinion anywhere. And like, you may trust my claim but the way you’ve talked about the scum chances of it don’t look natural at all regardless of whether you’re pushing that line of logic.

I'm saying i'm a pr and the way you worded your claim looked like it was possible you misread your role pm, which is why i was asking. And no i hadnt spelled it out before.

And again i literally never called you scum for any of the bg claim stuff so were exactly am i 'talking abt the scum chances od it'

If you're admitting your points are all ass anyways why are you coming to the same conclusion exactly ?

on this, since I was trying to respond to this then my phone logged me out of the hydra so I took a break:
I think logic can be crap and still come to a correct result. The vibes from your handling of my claim don't seem right, and your proceeding play around it is even worse imo

[GFITAC]

You're a PR claim, actively trying to kill off the PR that could keep you alive?

Yeah, skitter's just scum.

Fade this. I'm locked in it.

this isn't a fabulous point because there's the fact we work in different time streams, but I'm still hugely concerned about skitter failed to ever justify assuming I was misunderstanding my role

[GFITAC]

She's also pushing Gamma, the claimed BG as the only PR claimed in this thread.

I'm p sure it's been established multiple times across multiple games that i really, really dont care abt mechanics, claims, nebulous crumbs pulled from the ether, etc

this is just so damn ironic, not even Dave Strider can process this level of irony

[GFITAC]

@Annie - good thing my good buddy DEB who I talk to almost every day is part of the Gamma hydra, huh

uh can you beam over the exact post you're responding to with this

[GFITAC]

and Gamma was one of my newbies.

I don't think Deacon's necessarily the right choice to bg, though, but they actually arent a terrible choice.

wdym one of your newbies? I only first played with you in like april 2017, which is 8 months after I joined the site

[GFITAC]

I will reconsider it postflip

beeboy alt confirmed

[GFITAC]

When there was the mod error last night r.e. second turnstile, and i was once again softing heavily, the number of scumreads on me in your thread suddenly went from 1 (titus) to 3 (titus, unwnd, hp). The uptick wasnt natural, and it was reading to me like scum realized they needed fo start putting in the legwork to make me perceived as scummy in *that* thread (i.e. as opposed to here)

No offense but this seems like a much higher level of thought than most people put into their reads as scum, and I think two new people scumreading you around the same time could easily be a coincidence.

who's scumreading Titus?
I am pretty convinced Titus is town based on my limited interactions with her this game.

[GFITAC]

I will reconsider it postflip

beeboy alt confirmed

I'm a gamma emerald alt tbh

I'm Spartacus!

[GFITAC]

I'm making this post outside of the game and I want to speak to you at a personal level.

Noraa, please stop being so negative. I think you're very sweet and I enjoy having you in my games. I apologize if you feel attacked but you're weaponizing your feelings right now and nobody knows how to deal with it. I want you to understand that this is a game and character cannot be judged entirely by game-related actions. That being said, I think right now you are feeling personally attacked and that your only chance of fighting back is by making others feel the way you do by saying they're "Bad" or "Can't read you". If you want to be respected or to be taken seriously, I need you to let go of those feelings and really rethink the way you're approaching this game. I also just want to say, if you are being underhanded by the means of acting this way exclusively beacuse of the game, I will be very saddened by it, as it has lead me to reconsider my thoughts on you purely through empathy; I townread you.

I am humbled by what you said of me but know that I don't treat myself as a person who is always right, or has god-tier reads. Each game is individual, and what I want most out of this game is to have fun and enjoy the puzzle aspect. Right or Wrong does not dictate how much fun I am having, nor how much I enjoy someone either. I don't look at you like 'well, Noraa is always wrong so I don't care' I look at you as the way I described you previously, and that's what matters most to me.

May I request a beam over?

I went a bit over I agree but I was extremely angry by the lack of chances I was given.
This is gonna sound scummy but the moment I stepped into this thread, I felt hardcore Xenoblade vibes. Generally I dont ever feel like a replay of a scum game is happening in a town game but that is precisely the feeling I got when I came in.
I felt trapped in a corner where no one was willing to even remotely consider me town except in Xeno I knew they were right and kind of accepted it. Here I realized that it wasn't my alignment that killed me last time. It was that the playerlist never gave me a chance. I say one scummy thing and everyone jumps on me. That feeling is extremely overwhelming and terrible and I cannot take pressure to that extent regardless of my alignment ever.
I get it my first two posts were scummy and complaining about spamming but so? Everyone jumped straight to conclusions way too fast along with the fact that I had been mislimmed multiple times this month for shit reasons, I was very angry.
I've been angry nearly 99% of the time I've been in this thread.
I will stfu for the most part but this game is very infuriating and I dont think there won't be at least a few petty comments a day.
I'm not taking it personally. Mostly I'm just angry that people are so confident and it annoys me so badly when people are so confident yet so wrong cuz they all just look brain dead as hell and its terribly annoying to see.

I feel this on so many levels.
Noraa is town.

@superb I'm already voting skitter soooo

[GFITAC]

i meant a little boonie as in the gender neutral pre teen who speaks to me in my head, not the game.

Huh.

also VOTE: skitter, and don't put skitts at E-1 until we're 100% ready to end day because I wanna do the flavor leaf-style quickhammer here

[GFITAC]

Soooo, the failed experiment known as GUY FUCKING FIERI has been terminated.
He didn’t poll high in many of our target regions. Now I see I have missed damn near 100 pages.
Flavor Leaf is here now? What’s going on?

- LD

[GFITAC]

HEY FUCKERS IN THE OTHER THREAD

ANY THOUGHTS ON HOW UNWND TOLD A STRAIGHT UP LIE ON A ON AND OFF ACTIVITY PLAYER?

DO YOU THINK THEY MAYBE THOUGHT I WOULD MISS THIS?

I don't think unwnd thinks you miss an attack like that following xenoblade 2, you reacted fast when people called you suspicious that game
-BCCorp (yeah I'm tagging with this because seeing debbie tag with LD made me lol so hard I wanted to full-send the meme)

[GFITAC]

Well, after reading this page and this page only...
Gonna go with my gut and say Flavor is scum.

- LD

[GFITAC]

well, damn, that's unfortunate.

First time being wrong here.

Well there’s a first time for everything.
I’m fine waiting though.

-LD

[GFITAC]

Ok lets get into the similarities on my end. What are they?
Fl wasnt in that game.

about this
I was feeling like maybe you were becoming a target for just hanging loose like you kinda were in that game
but upon further inspection the points against you are like, actually good ones this time (and yes I'm admitting I dun fucked up that game by limming you)
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

@HP - troll post by me trying to nah Annie

when they were trying to control the BG's action

why were you trolling annie for trying to leash me lol
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

Btw I wanna poll the thread on how they see me skepticism on the skitter points I had a few pages ago
for the hydras they should do a consensus statement vs. one for each head
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

I concur

- LD

[GFITAC]

@HP - troll post by me trying to nah Annie

when they were trying to control the BG's action

why were you trolling annie for trying to leash me lol
-BCCorp

wifom'ing scum.

Hench did it too a bit later, so it's funny they're confused.

can you beam up where HP did that?

[GFITAC]

-BCCorp
If I'm gonna be tagging my posts I should probably more vigilant than that, lol

[GFITAC]

Oh deacon one other reason I liked the annie wagon: the reasoning against it is "pah! This wagon sucks because we know annie is town, we play with her far too much darling. Remove your silly votes at once and go to your room!" It felt good to stick it to the wine club and have them nervous for a bit.

I think I want the wine club (assuming that means cabd and co.) to tell me if this reminds them of anything. A certain pop star who doth protest too much about the old guard, methinks?

[GFITAC]

-BCCorp
sorry I'm listening to some heavy fuckin metal and it's making me hasty

[GFITAC]

Have we not realized that the "get all scum on one side" Kool-Aid is not safe? That doesn't win the game at all for town, and makes it really easy for scum to dominate. They just need one miselim and then they have a stranglehold on one game thread.
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

I don't care whether we think scum or town is leading the charge on that. That plan just makes no sense to me at all.
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

the one where we attempt to send all scum to one side
That doesn't end the game atp. All scum need to be really-and-truly dead. What's the next step if we succeed at that? That just letting scum control one game essentially
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

dude byakuya is cold as fucking ice
dude had no problems with his sister getting executed iirc
-BCCorp

btw I looked at HP's posting to figure out why DEB was brought up and I get it now, it was talking about who I should target
I think my target will 100% hinge on the skitter flip

[GFITAC]

@HP - troll post by me trying to nah Annie

when they were trying to control the BG's action

why were you trolling annie for trying to leash me lol
-BCCorp

wifom'ing scum.

Hench did it too a bit later, so it's funny they're confused.

can you beam up where HP did that?

this also is no longer necessary
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

I'm getting good vibes from Bell just looking at the current page of the other thread
{Titus, Bell, HP} working townblock in the forwards timeline
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

the one where we attempt to send all scum to one side
That doesn't end the game atp. All scum need to be really-and-truly dead. What's the next step if we succeed at that? That just letting scum control one game essentially
-BCCorp

Nobody said anything about sending all scum to one side?

that was a legit plan early on, and I keep hearing whispers of it
I don't even understand why we'd send scumreads to one side and townreads to another, what determines which side gets which that isn't an arbitrary reason?
Idk I really don't know what the full uses of the turnstile are and I'm kinda being a boomer about it but I really don't get how some people seem to have handled it
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

OKAY that makes a lot more sense for why they'd try to get all scum on one side. I definitely remember that part about mod confirming absence of Sator Operatives but I lost it in the morass of my mind until directly made to recall it.
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

p sure shellyc is scum
I don't think her reads are very valid at all. wrt Noraa, this doesn't vibe like a game she's hating rn, she might not be happy about her treatment but I think her being upset like she is actually makes more sense as town, If she were scum, she'd have more apathy, like she was in Xenoblade. But since she's playing her more preferred alignment she's more likely to get angry about things, since she's more invested.
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

Anyone think Superbowl's whole perspective in regards to me is an act?

Yeah I’m not impressed by it either
But like, your reads seem to very much be in flux rn; what are your most confident reads at this point?
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

how does everyone feel about fading midwaybear?

UNVOTE: midwaybear

That’s one way to answer a question lol
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

Gonna go with my gut and say Flavor is scum.

probably +town for gamma*? not many defenders of gamma ITT and alienating the loudest of them obviously makes life a little more difficult in the short term

*generally don't consider gamma to be the sort of "relying on my WIFOM in this case to double fake you" type of player here based on limited experience

-b

I don’t entirely disagree Flavor doesn’t seem a bit weird here, but that’s not my post, that’s debbie’s. At this point we’re both tagging based on baked snack brands (Debbie tags LD for Little Debbie, I tag as BCCorp which is based on Betty Cocker but also a reference to the initial inspiration for this hydra)
I can understand if you’re just referring to the hydra slot by my name since I’m the primary poster rn, but if you’re treating all posts as mine, pls don’t. While I likely won’t explode like I did at superb I will get very annoyed.

I think I want the wine club (assuming that means cabd and co.) to tell me if this reminds them of anything. A certain pop star who doth protest too much about the old guard, methinks?

i wasn't in that game but from what i read TS was using that as a crutch to like avoid having any stances or interactions w/ people and i don't feel like that's what's happening here

-b

Yeah that seemed to be the case there too, and though I don’t think that’s exactly what superb is doing I still get a bad juju from the behavior

-BCCorp (aka Gamma)

[GFITAC]

I was 90% gonna hammer if Noraa hadn’t unvoted
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

The thing is, I want Flavor to respond about his read if he hasn’t yet
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

UNVOTE: Flavor Leaf

[GFITAC]

i guess the Q is do you think FL is internalizing a goal of "stopping town coming here = good", because i feel like that's a necessary part of calling this cog-dis

the primary win-con is to clear forward of bad guys.

flavor flav knows mech down to his bones. He goes for mechwins when they present themselves because he thinks it's more fun than outsmarting players, it's outsmarting the mod. He is very very ego-driven.

He is not going for the Mech-win here

because his win condition is not aligned with us. His goal is to dominate this thread.

This resonates with me a fair amount
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

ok i'm convinced
UNVOTE: fl

pedit this side never actually, like, formally agreed to that
either way pooky is town

Sure weren’t convinced for long
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

Oh sweet they sent pooky to die

Unvote: Pooky

I will do Pooky, Midwaybear or Noraa today. All 3 of those make me v. happy.

Why all of these
I ask with varying levels of receptiveness
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

Yeah, I’m bored now anyways

UNVOTE: Flavor

I kinda just want my flip to go through because my reads are correct this game, at least high for day 1, so go me today.

If you were town I’d expect some last-will-and-testament shit to accompany this
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

Just like in Large Normal 230, my town flip will create a strong butterfly effect for town to pull out the victory.

This is bullshit. You dying did Jack-all, the replacements CARRIED that game for town

[GFITAC]

No reads, Pooky said...

Spoiler:

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

()_+_)()_-_)

HELLLLLLLOOOOOOO

TOWNIES OF TENET

:

TENET FO SEINWOT

()_-_)()_+_)

This is your hostess with the mostess, the only LEAF THAT BRINGS THE BEEF

FLAVORRRRRRRRRR

Firebringer

- feels same as Xenoblade, and I like a lot of their takes. They might be wrong, but I think they're genuine here. I think my conversations with them have been good, and I don't think they'd attempt to pocket me here. Last time I thought they might, I was wrong, so I'm going to trust that read here.

Lady Lambdadelta

- I really liked when Firebring-LLD-FL triangle was going, I felt like we were on the same page. I didn't think anything was malicious, and I was happy to call this a town block. LLD acted exactly how I expected townLLD to act, a decent amount of aggro, one or two different reads, but really not pushing anything super hard. Maybe confidence in their read, but I wouldn't say they're trying to power tunnel anywhere. Not to say they wouldnt if given the chance, but yeah.

Superbowl9

- I kind of expect them to scum read me here, especially since I just fooled them as scum, and I understand their read and their hero solve, it's just not correct. I also expect them to have incorrect reads, but I believe they believe they are correct. Lean town.

midwaybear

- I made a possible scum case with Midway a little while ago, but I convinced myself there that them forgetting then changing their read on me once they remembered I'm April makes sense coming from town. Scum didn't have to change that. It's actually the most connected comment I think I've had with Midway.

Dandelion Wine (Cephrir/Cabd)

- Nothing's stood out negatively for me. I liked what I saw and seemed genuine. Not my most complex read, but it's one I'm happy with. If something pings me, I'll look into it of course, but yeah.

GFITAC (Gamma Emerald/Dr Easy Bake)

- I pushed a town read, then a scum read, then a town read. I think my initial defense on them made me lean scum on them, but I am back to town reading them because I liked their pop ins. I also think they were extremely close to being faded, and I think that's town indicative based on how it all happened.

Something_Smart

- True Newch. Some people think they're scummy, I havent seen enough of them to know one way or another.

Petapan

- There's been some stuff that pings me, I voted them earlier. I don't know them, though, so I'm still figuring out if they could do this as scum. I understand their posts, though, even though I have a good amount of disconnect with them. Slightly scummy, but neutral really.

Deacon Blues (fferyllt/borkjerfkin)

- Bork was scummy during the Imperium talk. they wanted 5 cookies, I only had 2, then they stuck on it. I also have multiple reads that are directly contradicting with them, so this is a lean scum.

skitter30

- Can't shake this. Skitter was directly going against me, and her town reading me is the exact defense I'd expect her to use as scum against me pushing her specifically because I pushed her that one time when she was IC, which I knew she was actively lying and hiding something. I believe she had claimed Vanilla there even before, but maybe I'm making that last part up, I don't know. I don't like the discussion I had with her. I can see her as town, but something in my gut is screaming something's going on there.

upside down sinkhole (Noraa/JacksonVirgo)

- Scum entry, I don't believe they believe anything they said, and they're trying to find that spot in the game they fit, and I just think that's incredibly scum indicative for her. I could be wrong this time, whereas last time, I really didn't think I was, so food for thought.

Overall, I believe there is specifically not 4 scum in this game, 2 or 3. I might eventually make one of these for the other game.

________________________________________

()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)()_+_)()_-_)

Will Cabd prove to be incorrect and pocketed by the Deacon hydra?

Will Something_Smart continue to not have much of a voice and stay true NEWCH?

Can Noraa convince people to believe that she is not scum here?!?!?

Find out next time...on

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW!!!!

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

()_+_)()_-_)

HELLLLLLLOOOOOOO

TOWNIES OF TENET

:

TENET FO SEINWOT

()_-_)()_+_)

The Morality of the Masses, the Oh So Pretentious One, Your Comical BooneyToon

FLAVORRRRRRRRRR

PART II

Hench Princesses

- I feel like the amount they're town reading me or appearing to town read me doesn't come from scum. This is an insanely weird pocket to make if scum, it's a non zero chance that it's happening, but I feel like that's too risky of a play for them to make because I would catch it? Yeah, I think they're town, they have the same reads as me. If they are scum, they are probably scum with Gamma, but yeah, this is a high town read for me.

Annie Edison

- I was a bit iffy with the switch at first, but I've grown to like it, and I think they're probably town indicative because of it. It's possible I'm being pocketed, but I generally understand what they've been saying, and I felt a mindmeld similar to I did in xenoblade 2 day 2. I easily town read Bulge in Ilicit as well, and became essentially masons with them, so I like this pairing.

unwnd

- Town reading here strongly. I've agreed with some of their takes, and now that I know what their personality is like from Xenoblade, I think this is right in line with town them. I've never seen scum them, though, but I genuinely feel good about this slot. I like that they wanted me to make one of these for this town, meaning they saw some good usage of it, which implies a bit of mind meld.

Almost50

- A50 has an agenda when they are scum. I'm usually pretty good at seeing it too. The fact that Hench had the same read here of thinking A50 is town, but not entirely sure, also makes me more okay with A50. Overtime, this one should be an easy read slot anyways.

Bell

- eh, town. My experience with Bell is he's town, and floats around to the people pushing the game, giving their thoughts, being a reflector, don't see anything different here. I feel I should be able to read them pretty easily if I'm wrong.

Gypyx

- Their small amount of posts I read seemed townie. They seem like a slot that scum is going to try to misfade eventually, and keep there as an eventual misfade, or possible wagon, and it might go through. Probably a misfade this game, which is why I am lean town, if that makes sense. I don't know how else to describe this.

pisskop

- not quite newch, not quite town, but I think the catchup thing is townie ish. scumpisskop can easily get through that, but they said they were excited in the first page, and really, I don't think Pisskop says that if he is actually scum and excited. This is a bad reasoning, and a bad slot, but I like that they're getting thought to switch over, and I might be okay with that. Possibly could be Spiffeh-Pisskop, though.

Imperium

- true newch, even if IC

zmuffinman

- true newch

Shellyc

- true newch

Spiffeh

- This could go either way, but I think I want to lean scum, if only because they fit in a slot where they make sense as like the 6th member, but in a non tiered scum team. They ask a lot of questions, and I think they're kind of fluffy. I don't know them that well, though, so maybe this is town indicative. I don't understand why they are the top ones trying to switch. That's something that's a bit scummy for me.

Brian Skies

- While I don't recognize the play as in meta for scumBrian, we have different reads from when I replaced in, and initially I liked them, but as I got more into the game, it seemed like they were trying to control the game with their posts, at least in a have some type of effect on helping a game go down a specific slide, if that makes sense. It's a lot of their little jab posts that look like an offensive defense for a team.

Titus

- reverse reads, seems to be discrediting me a lot, but I did like the discussion back and forth between us on Superbowl, even though I don't agree that it makes them scum. It feels like Titus is creating reasons that look scummy, and trying to use that to push. Not confident in this because I don't want to be wrong here, but I am scum reading here.

PookyTheMagicalBear

- dude's shadin', and trying to discredit. This can come from scumPooky with scumNoraa, or scumPooky knowing Noraa is town. Either way, Hench pushing there feels good, and I like when we can sync up like that. Good sign.


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Can Pooky avoid the steamroll coming from Hench and company?

Will Imperium and I ever share a common read?!

Is it possible for Bork to let a topic drop?!?

Find out next time...on

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW!!!!

You’ve also waffled a good amount.
You want me to buy you being a town flip, throw out legit accusations like you did in Large 230
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

Notice Noraa just happening to show back up to thread after I disappear and Pooky comes.

That's exactly what she did in Xenoblade as well.

I named 3+ scum in my Hero solve, and scum panicked.

Fade me, and follow my words, or trust me now with complete blind faith knowing that I WILL not flip red this game, I promise my townies this.

So you think Pooky+Noraa are scum together off of that?
superb as dumb as your read on me overall was I think you struck gold on flavor
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

Pal I was scum in that other game, and while I’ve cooled down on the disdain for your behavior in that game if you’re going to make the personal attack bullshit consistent, I’m fucking done having you around. Your comment towards Noraa earlier I was think was pretty damn low. I don’t feel like I’ve regressed as a player, but I’ve become A LOT LESS VULNERABLE to your bullshit. So really I think I’ve

progressed

, just in a way that pisses you off because I’m not an easy mark anymore.
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

Annoying Pooky is town Pooky
Take that to the bank
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

One thing scum!FL seems to do as caught scum is deflect, I notice this a lot when I end up meta scumreading scum!Flavor, and he tries to talk me down
Town!Flavor tends to be more confrontational, actually going hand-to-hand with people in verbal combat. But since scum!Flavor has to further his wincon, it’s more to his advantage to try to sidestep accusations and convince people they’re wrong by gaslighting and deflecting.
I think he’s clearly exhibiting that latter behavioral pattern here.
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

gamma in the last idk how many games ive seen u in. I hve seen some version of:
"I am done with you completely. I will never paly with you again".

What is with this toxic mindset that uve developed where u feel this way every fucking game towards someone.

I don’t think I really actually felt that way during Epilogue. I was pissy at you for being illogical but in the end I had the solution of leaving and either validating myself or netting a scumflip, thus being a win-win imo.
BM the temper flared down a lot when I realized his scum game was more toned down, so while I could definitely

read

him I still wasn’t happy with the fact he basically is okay being mediocre-at-best as a player.
Idr any other cases of this you’ve seen atm
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

I don’t know when Flavor took my quote out of his sig but it’s kinda funny since I’ve essentially built up a resistance to the scum!FL magic, this defying my past self’s statement.
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

gamma in the last idk how many games ive seen u in. I hve seen some version of:
"I am done with you completely. I will never paly with you again".

What is with this toxic mindset that uve developed where u feel this way every fucking game towards someone.

I don’t think I really actually felt that way during Epilogue. I was pissy at you for being illogical but in the end I had the solution of leaving and either validating myself or netting a scumflip, thus being a win-win imo.
BM the temper flared down a lot when I realized his scum game was more toned down, so while I could definitely

read

him I still wasn’t happy with the fact he basically is okay being mediocre-at-best as a player.
Idr any other cases of this you’ve seen atm
-BCCorp

i dont know what to tell u if u don't see a systemic problem here.

Yeah I’m getting a bit fussy over things, but for the most part it’s just a small outburst. But for Flavor it’s a reactive situation where he seems to think being extremely callous about personal attacks is like, a thing he can get away with. He’s straight up put down Noraa’s town play, and said I’ve regressed as a player. Those types of attacks just don’t fly imo. I’ll admit I’ve said

similar

about/to Noraa, but I’ve never called her irredeemably bad, like it seems FL is doing. Instead I try to be a bit more constructive in my criticism, I just probably don’t come across well due to being autistic + text-based communication not conveying my intent as well as I’d probably like. But like, FL is not being constructive, he’s just trying to tear down people who are against him. It’s gross AF and honestly I should probably take

real

action about how I feel on it.
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

LOL and i am all of a sudden a red - hammer this foo

No response to me?
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

nothing would happen, I don't do anything wrong. I'm a bit of a dick, but it's all in reactionary and speaking the truth.

I just tell it like it is.

But you’re not trying to be nice or constructive. You’re just being an ass by treating people worse for reading you wrong. It’s just a ducking game, grow up.
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

Soo, that's a weird fucking kill.
Why so aggro Firebringer on your 6D debut?
Pooky is prob town in my book, but I don't necessarily like how hard they pushed FL yesterday.
I'm sorry, everyone, I should have been around. Once I read a bit over the night cycle I could tell FL was town.
I could have helped that mislim.

-LD

[GFITAC]

Yeahhh screw the whole "don't vote me I'm too cute thing"
UNVOTE: Dandelion Wine

-LD

[GFITAC]

Correction: "don't scumread me I'm too cute"
Still yucky

-LD

[GFITAC]

How is calling out icky ate scummy?

[GFITAC]

-LD

[GFITAC]

I hear a lot of that stuff on this site so I don't think its crazy for me to take you seriously without knowing you.

-LD

[GFITAC]

How is calling out icky ate scummy?

That's not why you're scum!

You quoted it and said "this is also scum"

-LD

[GFITAC]

Ok, do you think I am scum or do you think we are scum?
There is a difference.

-LD

[GFITAC]

You're also voting my strongest townread, so there's that.

That's gotta be town indicative, no?

Yeah if I was scum I wouldn't blatantly do something to lose town cred.

[GFITAC]

-LD

[GFITAC]

Hey, it’s ya boi Gamms back at it again at

Krispy Kreme

Tenet Mafia
Before I really fuckin’ dive into shit I wanna say I feel like the Tenet kill is mega-indicative that scum are in a spot where they don’t want fresh eyes seeing into their plans
I have suspects for this but I’ll just let Spiffeh squirm a bit

[GFITAC]

I read the period of the forwards thread between our hammer and the night start and I had some thoughts

• I initially liked the townblock there. I still mostly trust it but it will depend on how things go from here.
  
• Gypyx seemed pretty decent. I especially liked him stopping the pre-flip discussion on Flavor.
  
• I liked zmuffinman’s way of expressing his concern about the game strategy wrt what happens if we only get close but don’t hit the goal.
  
• HP seemed suspicious in spots but what really bothers me is their weird interest in being right over Debbie on Flavor. I know Flavor has been pocketed into lining thread-masons with scum before, and tbh that seems like HP wanted to have that interaction “canonized”. That’s a weird word to use but IMO it captures the perceived motive there.

Another thing I’d like to bring up is I ended up being right on Noraa so don’t try to discredit me further because I actually was the sane one in that case and as such I’m not taking any shit.
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

Ultimately I'm not really too bothered by missing on day 1. Pooky went all out for ther sake of killing a VT and looks to be pretty clear scum. Losing FL is unfortunate and I have to admit I can't read Boon for shit, but if we don't fuck this game up, we get to have confirmed town flavor leaf come back on day 7 and solve the game, and hell, he'll probably enjoy that, at least fot the 10 minutes it'll take him to make 25 posts. midwaybear's wagon vote is pretty terrible as well. it's possible pooky went all out because he felt FL was a threat to skitter. certainly fits his MO.

ATTENTION SAVAGES: i'm not going to endure you talking shit about our thread when you were about to push through a mislim on someone claiming a role with a confirmable counterpart. i don't necessarily blame you for misreading shelly, i can hardly claim to have townread her, but but at some point you're going to accept that someone you like is probably scum. you need to take a hard look at all the people who were actively throwiong doubt on shelly's role - i have that written down as spiffeh, titus, hench, annie, and bell. annie, to their credit, at least had wanted to wait and give shelly a night to, you know, possibly confirm her role, so points there, at the very least. i'm not going to tell you who is scum in there because it would be presumptuous when i've only been casually glancing at your game, but i will tell you there is almost certainly scum in there, because scum wants to abuse setup spec to secure a miselimination in that fashion.

hopefully at this point we can abandon the quixotic quest to rid one thread of scum entirely, as well.

UNVOTE: pookythemagicalbear


1/10

Pretty decent post I think

UNVOTE: skitter30

This is for both threads, please send!

Imperium was going to decide the purple room choice for both sides. Dandelion and we know the two options that were on the table and we'll do our best to push through the decision process that we all discussed in the neighborhood.

Also, Imperium wanted our side to NOT turnstile anyone today. And wanted A50 turnstiled to this thread.

They wanted some scrutiny on Brian Skies in the forwards thread and on midway bear in this thread.

How do I know you’re not fabricating purple room thread contents? I’m less skeptical of you than other slots but I think you should not be trusting cabd like you are rn. So until I ascertain you’re playing with a proper headspace I’ll treat you with the same ginger hands as my top suspects.

-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

@Cabd- any thoughts on my EoD theory about the PTs?

Are we on the same page?

I am even more on this train as of a few minutes ago. It didn't really come up much last night.

But... time to utter the words I dread...


Marketplace Mafia III parallels.

Who/what are these parallels about? As far as I can tell it’s just a thing regarding reading zmuffinman
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

I would like a paraphrased but detailed account of Nacho/Tammy's reads from the Purple Room

Specifically, if they wanted Almost50 turnstiled, who did they want limmed over here?

You will definitely get this, but there's a lot of value in you guys working without this info for a bit.

Also, y'all please purple room Spiffeh!

I definitely DON’T want Spiffeh voted into the purple room yet. Maybe later, but not now. DO NOT RUSH THIS.

yeah skitter wasn't endanger of being lynched when pooky came over.

but pooky is still scum for various reasons. we can take the tinfoil hat off that pooky acted to defend scum!skitter tho

Yeah, while Pooky is hard-sus I don’t feel confident skitter is scum rn

-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

Yeah that points to scum in the influences and/or widely townread ppl

Good post
Btw the reason I don’t trust Spiffeh rn is his response to this talk was to attack it on the basis of those suggesting it happened had to have legitimate suspects. They don’t, and talking about it openly let’s them hash out who might have wanted to do that with others who feel the same way.
-BCCorp

[GFITAC]

I would like a paraphrased but detailed account of Nacho/Tammy's reads from the Purple Room

Specifically, if they wanted Almost50 turnstiled, who did they want limmed over here?

You will definitely get this, but there's a lot of value in you guys working without this info for a bit.

Also, y'all please purple room Spiffeh!

I definitely DON’T want Spiffeh voted into the purple room yet. Maybe later, but not now. DO NOT RUSH THIS.

yeah skitter wasn't endanger of being lynched when pooky came over.

but pooky is still scum for various reasons. we can take the tinfoil hat off that pooky acted to defend scum!skitter tho

Yeah, while Pooky is hard-sus I don’t feel confident skitter is scum rn

-BCCorp

I know things about the purple room that you don't, unless you're scum with dandelion.

Spiffeh and Superbowl need to be there tonight.

The only other acceptable combination to Imperium was us/Annie.

If ~stuff happens~ today that overrides NachoTammy's reasons for wanting Spiffeh and Superbowl in the purple room tonight, I'll be able to figure that out, I hope.

I guess those sets work for me. Let’s just not rush anything, okay?

Gamma can you give me some reads please? Or strategy on what we should be doing in our thread?

Pooky, cabd hydra, HP scum. Spiffeh potentially scum. You, Annie, unwnd, skitter, peta, Gypyx, zmuffinman, Bell, et al. town. Deacon town but handling with care. That’s what crops up quickly.
As for a plan, I just want us to talk shot through today rather than for ramming a decision down everyone’s throats. The townblock isn’t out rn but they need to justify.

-BCCorp

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I don't think killing Noraa-slot is really what I would call low info.

Killing a newly-replaced-in secret alt who's a potential wildcard, maybe.

Or maybe they thought the replace-out spewed the slot as town.

While I generally agree with your feelings I’m confused why you felt the rep-out spewed Noraa-town, that actually gave me pause on my read
Btw I think I’ll slot you in with my townreads for now
-BCCorp

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skitter, feet to the fire. which is scum: cabd/ceph or Deacon

If i had to pick one, ceph. I townread bork p strongly

Whoops i said the wrong name: most of the scummy vibes are coming from cabd, not you

I agree with this exchange on both DW being scum over DB and cabd being the scummier head, though I don’t really have any standard for cephrir
-BCCorp

@superbowl while I do feel like since I did have a correct early scumread on mwb in another game I may be more qualified to read him than some
I don’t like the assertion that I’m still a low-content slot. I feel like at this point I’ve done enough to classify as middling in that regard. Now that Flavor flipped town you KNOW my thread return wasn’t for the original proposed reason. I’d like to see some proper read evolution from you, and when it comes to my slot it seems to be lacking rn.

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Also @ppl who are calling gamma scum now - explain to me why that was a bad option yesterday? Iirc yall called it LHF - where’s that same energy today?

This question almost always comes from town. Rather than just take the W superb presses in and asks where these vibes were before
Another reason I think superb is town is because we recently incorrectly SRed each other in a micro and I get similar vibes between his play here and there
-BCCorp

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Are you gamma or deb?

BCCorp = Gamma
LD = debbie

-BCCorp

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How do I know you’re not fabricating purple room thread contents? I’m less skeptical of you than other slots but I think you should not be trusting cabd like you are rn. So until I ascertain you’re playing with a proper headspace I’ll treat you with the same ginger hands as my top suspects.

She would have to be scum with me to be fabricating it.

Let me use this as a chance to talk about my SRs in this thread somewhat. I feel like Pooky has been scummier, but cabd hydra practically confirms DB as town upon a townflip, in addition I think the Tenet NK points to those two in different ways. I know for a fact Pooky has made that

exact

type of nightkill before, in Mini Normal 2170. I would not put it past him to roll out the same strategy. Cabd, meanwhile, probably held the weakest position in the townblock and as such has the most motive to make a nightkill like Tenet.
-BCCorp

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While I generally agree with your feelings I’m confused why you felt the rep-out spewed Noraa-town, that actually gave me pause on my read

I don't think that? I was speculating that maybe scum did.

Eh. I don’t think the same way but it’s not really worth getting into rn

My read on you nonwithstanding, what slots have you produced more than? I really cannot name one thing you’ve done besides defend yourself when I pushed you, and I’m trying to get you to do more. Should I not do that so you can be an easier mislim? Also you didn’t answer my question, how do you read midwaybear?

Currently, SS, LLD, and technically pisskop and Pooky. But I also have two disadvantages of starting from behind and being in a hydra. But despite having not-as-many posts I feel like my signal-to-noise ratio is really fucking good this game.
Also, I think if you compare my play here to MBoS 10 and Xenoblade 2, two other games I was in a similar position to this one is, you’ll find the way I handled being on-the-outs to resemble Xenoblade 2 over MBoS 10. In MBoS 10, I dug in my heels and doubled down on a take that was getting me nowhere, in Xenoblade to I read the room and decided to look elsewhere and form reads on other slots compared to the person I was trying to policy. I think generally I tend to double-down a lot more as scum under pressure, but it’s not like I want to have that be

a thing

, it’s just a combination of not being able to read the room well and not handling pressure well as scum.
Wrt mwb, Im not sure how I read him yet, but gth he’s scum.

-BCCorp

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Will do stuff soon.
-BCCorp

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I hate this garbage.

I hate you and Deacon both.

Fuck everything and everyone.

Why are you still playing if the game is like this for you rn? Also, do you think your hatred might be influencing your reads here? Fwiw I think you’re town, though Debbie is tinfoiling your interactions with Deacon are SvS (I don’t believe this due to reads and the contrivance that needs imo)
-BCCorp

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Why are you scumreading Deacon again?

I explained this yesterday, but it's relating to how they opened into the thread with more interest in cross thread alliance than with reading anyone here.

Ever since then their reactions have been bad, I have a bad gut taste about everything, and to cap it off they had a whole night with a confirmed townie hydra and their big entrance was.... that townie hydra being dead and now they are coming out with this plan?

Their reads feel bad and manufactured and they're doing weird code with cabd and fuck it, nope, scum. It reeks to high hell.

The code thing is NAI. Read Smoke-Filled-Antechamber.

Reiterating that Dandelion Wine is town as fuck and if anyone (un)votes them in this game You will hear from me when I'm a treestump.

I’d like if you justified this at some point

OH FUCK I thought you targeted me.

This is even worse LLD.

If this isn't a reaction test then you are getting yeeted today. I'll 1v1 you into the fucking ground.

Good luck, scumbag.

I'd be voting you already but the vote count is gonna reset, so...

I'll save my energy.

Gladiating Deacon over DW here is always a bad move imo
I’ll be very upset if this is real

-BCCorp

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It’s hard to take other threads reads seriously when half of what they do is call our thread a dumpster fire tbh

Welcome to why I'm doing this nonsense.

I mean it's obvious Cabd and Ceph are town now. I mean look at that cognitive dissonance from their reactions.

Cabd sudden fear and leaning harder into his code?

Ceph lolcatting at me and knowing me too well?

I mean that shit was just... so town. So good.

And Deacon's reaction? Over reaction, perhaps?

Personal attacks on me. Anger. Denial. I mean this is the "i'm fucked need to get defensive" shit all in one.

She thought she was the one shot first and got all defeatist and hopeful it's fake

and then she noticed she wasn't the one shot and BOOM

ON THE OFFENSIVE TO AVOID A VOTE.

It's scum. It's scum forever.

Good thing Dandelion is gonna live through this to guide us to the promised land, eh?

UNVOTE: Deacon

I think I like the part about cabd random ceph dissonance being towny. Scum would probably unify, this is a prime example of hydra dissonance sometimes being a towntell. Unless someone can tell me how Deacon is pulling a fast one over DW here I’m inclined to trust that pair with my life.

@Fire as I said I’d bet the game on ffery being town and as she’s said she’s the reigning Cabd expert, and she’d bet it on him. Add that with the townread I already have on him, and it makes it a really bad push.

I don’t even get why there’s this much vitriol towards them having a plan when yesterday they got ignored for most of the day (pretty much exclusively while the stupid as fuck wagons happened) and painting them as “narcs” to ostracize seem like it leans into the Shit storm

Them pretending to be leader of town for I guess being in same room as Imperium and eluding to plans is both annoying and not helpful.
Maybe I just don’t like not being in loop. But I have no idea why we put them in that room with Imperium. I didn’t townread them there. I don’t see how they earned a leadership role in this town. But both cabd and deacon are eluding to shit won’t talk about and I have high suspects one is manipulating other. And I know there’s hidden stuff not being disclosed and I don’t like it.

So yeah, they narcs

I do like this vibe, this is feels like 100% town paranoia and concern

our scumreads as of last night were {skitter, pooky, gamma, midway bear} if we started day 1 with 3 scum. This was mostly based on the FL wagon.

If we started with 4, then LLD was my fourth choice.

I'm trusting Cabd's ability to read LLD at this point so if we did start with 4 scum then I'm at a loss as to the fourth.

Why’d it take us posting to remind you to address us?

-BCCorp

wrt the discussion on me, I feel like both skitter and FB have points, I’m posting well imo but not entirely outside my scumrange

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wait who took the vig shot seriously. anyone who took that seriously is very dumb and or scum

The dayvig was transparently fake but I legitimately thought LLD was gladiating Deacon for a spell
-BCCorp

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Again nai, i just think you're playing well and wanted to recognize it

Okay now this is weird. I wasn’t gonna poke this, but now you feel dissonant in how you’re treating me. You said I was “town for me” earlier, around where I am in reading, but now you’re saying my good play is NAI. I don’t like the fact you backpedaled there.
-BCCorp

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Pooky scum because this is pooky scum, it's not close. Pooky ain't got my back.

Gamma scum. That post where they voted Dandelion was fucking awful. Huge opportunism.

Midway scum for a lot of their progressions on people, but that convo I had with them is making me :thinking emoji: so I'm gonna pause on them for the moment.

I'm not touching skitter atm. I need to read them better, hence the current interaction I'm forcing with them right now. I'm not gonna vote someone based on pure role reasons, so if I vote there it'll be because I find something scummy.

Peta probably town. Not changing that mind, not today at least.

I don't mind any of these takes although I'm curious as to what seems particularly opportunistic about the gamma vote? who else was going there at the time?

-b

opportunism doesn't only require the opportunity to be a mislim.

It can also be for free credit and a place to hunker down.

I see opportunism in the "hey here's a free reason to vote someone who will never die with a decent defense as to why I am doing it let me settle here and not worry about it too much".

that's opportunistic voting.

When I first saw that accusation I wanted to engage it but didn’t see how. This looks more talkable. What about that seemed opportunistic? I think both me and Debbie weren’t liking cabd at that point, that just became the straw that broke the camels back for Debbie. I think that’s a fair call too, though I myself would have accentuated my other reasons for voting.
-BCCorp

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@LLD

{skitter, pooky, gamma, midway bear}

w/o getting into other thread

Let's start w/ these:

I think pooky is scum for reasons that i went into earlier today; I still pretty much think that.

I went into today thinking skitter was scum - I don't like just her role even existing and I am townreading people that might be foils to that role, but honestly every time I interact w/ her she ends up changing my mind (e.g initially I thought 4209 seemed overly simplified and flat but I think she explained the thought process pretty well; I think w/o being a full blown watcher I'd probably be townreading skitter pretty hard

ffery thinks gamma is scum, and I did early on but I'm kinda lost, I think some posts like 4178 seem like pretty proper town paranoia to me

what about peta? he's seemed pretty good overall and I was kind of taken by surprise by HP's indictment of them in the other thread.

midway has seemed town to me mostly until his jump on FL, but I think the way he is engaging you on us seems town to me

Let's start here and I realize these are kinda some broad strokes; I'm trying to reassess/reread some stuff in the meantime

-b

My thoughts:

The only reason to push skitter is not liking her role, wheras pooky is based on play, correct?

We don't have all the info on the setup right now, so in my opinion we should be going after Pooky. As a side note, if Skitter is by chance not scum then she is a strong town power role. I'm not saying don't lim her just for that, but when there's multiple scumspects anyway there's a point to be had there. Also, the by play read is stronger than the mechanical/role read

This is a good post by Dunn
-BCCorp

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@bork pls don’t send skitter tia

Yeah I think this is a bad idea. If we have to send a PR claim today, I'd rather it were superbowl, even though I think sending him to the purple room will work out better for both timestreams.

not-b

This is news to me. What did superb claim?
-BCCorp

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And ftr I don't think elimming 2 from our side is necessarily a good idea, but iEVEN IN THAT INSTANCE TURNSTYLING SKITTLE IS GREAT. We can both elim normally, you can elim + turnstyle to try your dumb get all scum out of 1 thread before D2 strat, and town skittle gets night actions instead of wasting away over here doing nothing.

The ONLY reason to not turnstyle skittle is if you're afraid of her becoming a scum pr on the other side or running train on your thread, which you can easily fix by LIMMING HER IF YOU THINK SHE IS SCUM!

And once again you discount the idea that OUR SIDE could be the ones closer to the stupid D2 no scum strat, and by sending skittle over we could possibly acheive this. If you think this side has more scum, then WHY ARE WE LETTING YOU ELIM FROM A SMALLER POE? YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TURNSTYLE SO YOU HAVE 0 CHANCE OF ICing THE WHOLE SIDE ANYWAYS.

Even if we take your 0% chance likely trash strategy into account, your logic makes absolutely no sense!

I see no flaw in this post. The plan could still work but these criticisms are all valid imo.
-BCCorp

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Like just think about this: If you were sucm would you EVER let yourself be in a position where you create a half game full of ICs? It's so ridiculously dumb to think that town shooting in the dark is going to outwit the scumteam with PTs, mech info, etc. Best case scenario we're wasting turnstyles that can create PRs worst case we're shooting ourselves in the foot.


THERE IS NO UNIVERSE WHERE THE GOAL OF THIS PLAN IS ACHIEVED

It makes a whole bunch of sense for SCUM to push this plan because they can prevent PRs from being created & manipulate numbers on both sides if they choose. Just think about this from a scum perspective for 5 seconds and you will realize how royally idiotic this plan is

I don’t think scum have the social capital to do that and get away with it.
Who do you think is scum pushing that plan?
-BCCorp

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. The amount of thrashing in our thread suggests lots of TVT, while the other thread is a nice haven for scum to lurk and avoid conflict.

Hey that's what i said!

I’m beginning to feel like there’s more town here than I did when I started this dayphase, but I also feel like there are a good amount of obvtown in the forwards thread? Who are the scum in the townblock there?
-BCCorp

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I thought he was a red flip - I was wrong.

I've been more lax in general in recent games and I've found that playstyle to be wholly unsatisfying and kind of frustrating?

Driving the wagon on FL made me feel more alive and happy.

It would've been really really sweet if he flipped red but he did not.

How are you not coasting rn?
-BCCorp

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Back to reading soon
But first a thing @ forwards thread, specifically HP: why am I being leashed to fire? I think he’s town, but why is he worth protecting?
-BCCorp

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Btw which of Scorpia and Entrapta is HUB? Which one wanted to be right about Flavor, as well?
-BCCorp

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I can narrow HUB’s identity down within a very narrow pool I think
They used a term with very limited usage, one I myself actually coined
I’ll definitely sleuth that out because their posting may look better or worse based on who it is
-BCCorp

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I hate this garbage.

I hate you and Deacon both.

Fuck everything and everyone.

Why are you still playing if the game is like this for you rn? Also, do you think your hatred might be influencing your reads here?
-BCCorp

^Seconded^

I've gone through the today's pages, but not much has grabbed me.
I think I need a rundown on this purple room situation. Gonna check the OP.
Tell me what you want from me, so that I may live my best life in this game.

-LD

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i actually wasn't at that point tho, that's the thing.
i was the day prior, sure. but not when he came over.

i dont' think this is me being pedantic, i'm saying that your view of what was happening is wrong because if he wanted to come over and save me it would have made more sense to do so like ... a day or two (irl) earlier

it's actually wild how many people are writing this as S!Pooky comes to save S!Skitter fanfiction.

I should actually save you in some game later in the future, that would be dope.

that's one way to portray the reads on the situation
-BCCorp

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Pisskop... dude I have no read on that slot. totally under my radar, gotta get something on that apparently.

does this guy even exist atp?
-BCCorp

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@bork pls don’t send skitter tia

Yeah I think this is a bad idea. If we have to send a PR claim today, I'd rather it were superbowl, even though I think sending him to the purple room will work out better for both timestreams.

not-b

This is news to me. What did superb claim?
-BCCorp

I still haven't seen word of this.
-BCCorp

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Okay that reading felt more uneventful than it should have imo.
Does anyone want to real-time interact with me?
-BCCorp

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Who seems like scum here rn? What about on the other side? Also, you mentioned superb claimed but I don't recall anything about that and scanning his ISO yielded nothing.
-BCCorp

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alright. Most of that seems fair.
What about my claim pings you? I maaaybe can understand but it felt innocuous imo
debbie stated to me he thinks SS is scum, and I feel like with a lack of suspicions rn, and with no real hard vibe from SS, I think that's something I want to put out for discussion.
-BCCorp

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I can't think of a way to talk about this that isn't bad. If I'm wrong and Superbowl wants to correct me, fine.

I think you are wrong but also I'm not talking about it. And shame on you gamma for asking this what possible benefit could come from that?

there’s been talk of exposing the crumbs across the board so I felt clarity should be the objective

alright. Most of that seems fair.
What about my claim pings you? I maaaybe can understand but it felt innocuous imo
debbie stated to me he thinks SS is scum, and I feel like with a lack of suspicions rn, and with no real hard vibe from SS, I think that's something I want to put out for discussion.
-BCCorp

Protective claims under duress always squick me a little because they play to town's wishful thinking. bodyguard is a claim that has a shelf life, which makes it less useful to scum for getting deep into the game, which is a mitigating point imo.

Who did you bodyguard last night?

I bodyguarded you.
-BCCorp

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WRT fire’s claim+retraction I’m in the flavor-zone of “until I see something solid I’m not assuming anything”.
-BCCorp

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Purple Room - Unvote: Superbowl9

I can do this
-BCCorp

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Why couldn’t we use this to try and get Imperium some protection?
-BCCorp

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HUB/Entrapta I need you to tell the truth on this. Are you the worst?

-BCCorp

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I don’t think Pooky is likely scum here, y’all.

-LD

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Has anything new and significant happened since A50 got turnstiled?
Btw was unwnd’s ability just a one shot?
-BCCorp

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Did anything happen wrt something_smart?
-BCCorp

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Maybe if you weren’t cryptic 100% of the fucking time I’d be able to process any legitimate issues y’all are having
-BCCorp

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I’m not in the mood to read just yet, I just want the digest on anything major, and I also had a question on something that was never made clear to my knowledge. Is that a federal fucking issue to you?
-BCCorp

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Uhhh

yeah

Like if you legitimately want me to change course this doesn’t fucking give me a real sign, it’s just random fucking mutterings
Act like adults and talk it out if you have a legitimate problem rather than going hush-hush for no fucking reason
-BCCorp

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I’m not in the mood to read just yet, I just want the digest on anything major, and I also had a question on something that was never made clear to my knowledge. Is that a federal fucking issue to you?
-BCCorp

what ability did unwnd claim?

Pretty sure unwnd was the one who enabled forwards thread to turnstile twice in a phase?
-BCCorp

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I’m not scum but I still think HP can probably die
Also I swear someone was calling unwnd’s role OP for scum, was that also talking about brian and I’m mega-stupid or did unwnd claim something else entirely?
-BCCorp

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@Morph I want your opinions of my criticism of fast food

This will hit the thread tonight, from at least one morph head.

@Morph I want your opinions of my criticism of fast food

@Annie Where is this criticism?

I second this, I wanna talk about fast food.

I'm quickly losing trust in Pooky, despite my last post.
My biggest scumread would be S_S, so I'm happy unvoting there.
I think pisskop's entrance was good.

I

rolled

scum

excellent

Right from the doggo's mouth, folks.

Well shit, looks like it is settled then, people?

-LD

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UNVOTE: Something_Smart

pseudo unvote pooky because I don't want him at e-1 but I want to express our suspicions on Pooky in a meaningful capacity

-BCCorp