Yellowstone

[Noraa]

FIRST!

VOTE: JACKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Noraa]

NOOOO MY PAGE TOP!

[Noraa]

VOTE: Noraa

Vote for me, let's get this out of the way.

Right HMPH you SRed me with my pure townie energy in Cakes game >:(
revenge RVS time!!!!!!!!!
*gets out my slippers*
*gets out my vote*
V-v-v-v-v-v-OTE
VOTE: DGB
scummy mcscummerson numb nut :3

[Noraa]

MINE

[Noraa]

MINE

[Noraa]

FIRST!

VOTE: JACKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

VOTE: NORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

<333333333333333333333333333

[Noraa]

I'm a bear... With a tire...

Scums are confirmed Noraa and Toogeloo, ezpz

Well that was fast O_O
T^T caught on page two along with my buddy toog
Woe is me.
*sniffle sniffle*
*snooffle snooffle*
Jacko too godly

[Noraa]

I don't like Marky's vote on Horsewoman. Feels like an overreaction honestly.
Jacko's reminds me of Shelly's mini we played in recently so I'll locktown Jacko for it for now.

I took Horsewoman's post as a joke as well but honestly even if it isn't, its nothing big, yeah? Like half the time im town, I just sheep people who actually don't suck's reads lol.

Moving on to read page 4~

[Noraa]

Fine, I'll go through both possibilities before you answer then. I would have rather had it the other way round so I could have a better understanding of your perspective first, but *shrug*

In 68, Horsewoman says she doesn't have any reads yet. This means she probably won't have much to offer when pressured. So why does JV choose to pressure there right afterwards? It's a lead doomed to dry up, since Horsewoman has already said she's come up short of any reads. A pressure vote there makes little sense as a result, and I'm not sure why JV chose to push there right after seeing evidence that it wouldn't lead to much.

So I thought JV might actually think Horsewoman is scum. But based on what's been posted so far I'm not seeing it. My gut reaction to Horsewoman's posts has been town, and the evidence against her in 71 is fairly baseline - it's a lot about what town SHOULD be doing, but not really evidence that Horsewoman IS SCUM.

So tl;dr I don't think JV's vote makes much sense from any town perspective and is kind of doing the exact thing Horsewoman is being accused of: creating 'content' that won't actually go anywhere.

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Jacko doesn't always make sense is what I've found. I think he kinda has "wrong place, wrong time" ~vibes~

[Noraa]

*finger cracking*

Lets freaking do this.

Spoiler: 2

Get used to these, amma do my thang here.

Hi I'm new go easy

VOTE: DGB sure

Is this an alt?

Btw I am super gutted about the flavour. I thought it was going to be the town as bears with guns and the scum as the park rangers (like Yogie Bear kinda)

Unlucky there booboo! No pinching of the a pic-a-nic baskets for yoou! (☆Θ艸Θ)

MINE

You betrayed poor Nero :c

Therefore you must be scum!

I approve of this logic (•́⌄•́๑)૭✧

Alright, someone do the protown thing and create something dumb and artificial to get us out of RVS

You just did.

Spoiler: 3

I can't even bear this game anymore, it's too dead :c

THEN PUT SOME LIFE INTO IT! ARE YOU A MAD DOCTOR OR NOT!?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I believe you've hit a bearier when you
cannot understand my bearfaced bear puns, what an embearassing revelation for you.

Go eat some Strawbearies and hope to gain some grip on your unbearable reality.

Get in the bin.

I can't even bear this game anymore, it's too dead :c

Apologies for needing to sleep Anyways, I thought you'd be appreciating a slower-paced game after the whirlwind that was Bending

Sleep is for scum. VOTE: Markiplier

I did want to drive the game forward but I didn't (and don't) have any reads this early so I hoped someone else would do it for me

Ooof. (ʘᗩʘ')

Trying to get the game to progress out of RVS/apathy stage is absolutely a pro-town mindset

⌈O ▂▂ O⌉

Spoiler: 4

JacksonVirgo, how much do you actually think Horsewoman is scum, and how much is your vote for pressure's sake?

Me answering this question would immediately remove all of the pressure if my vote

is

for pressure and what's even the use of this question?

Agreed.

Fine, I'll go through both possibilities before you answer then. I would have rather had it the other way round so I could have a better understanding of your perspective first, but *shrug*

In 68, Horsewoman says she doesn't have any reads yet. This means she probably won't have much to offer when pressured. So why does JV choose to pressure there right afterwards? It's a lead doomed to dry up, since Horsewoman has already said she's come up short of any reads. A pressure vote there makes little sense as a result, and I'm not sure why JV chose to push there right after seeing evidence that it wouldn't lead to much.

So I thought JV might actually think Horsewoman is scum. But based on what's been posted so far I'm not seeing it. My gut reaction to Horsewoman's posts has been town, and the evidence against her in 71 is fairly baseline - it's a lot about what town SHOULD be doing, but not really evidence that Horsewoman IS SCUM.

So tl;dr I don't think JV's vote makes much sense from any town perspective and is kind of doing the exact thing Horsewoman is being accused of: creating 'content' that won't actually go anywhere.

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

This is interesting, as we're now in a loop. For D1 page whatever we're on this sounds far too certain. and more votes that are "doomed to dry up"

I'm going to head off to sleep now but I'm gonna say a few words before I do.

Llama's "read-fishing" strikes me as strange to ask as Town, it's like they're trying to fake content and see if my vote is real or otherwise to see if they can start pushing there as well. Either that or they trying to gauge the collective read on their buddy (and whether or not it's just for pressure) though that one is kinda weird to do objectively and I doubt they'd be that blatant as scumbuddies but it's a weird interaction nonetheless. Horse was blatantly trying to sap the town-cred from their posts by saying it's absolutely pro-town to hide behind the efforts of other players by claiming to have involved themselves with pushing the game out of RVS. Both are individually scummy but I'm trying to get a feel of whether Llama's post lead to them being possibly aligned or otherwise.

@Horse and @Llama

, do you have scum/town games under your belt and if so can you link a few?

Your other posts are ++TR but asking for meta on pg4 strikes me as a bit forced - particularly as this is nothing something I recall you doing in our 2 previous games together where you were town

Meta is trash!

VOTE: Llamamamamamamamamamamamamamamamaamamama

Ok well im now 99% sure I have soul read on Flea and I think they're scum. Maybe will explain why later. A bit cautious treading in this territory cuz last I SRed Flea, they were town. Gimme some time to think.

[Noraa]

Not sure what I think of llama honestly. I feel like llama reads somewhat genuine and im willing to town bin for now.

[Noraa]

town bin: Llama, Jacko, Horsewoman
scum bin: Marky, Flea

[Noraa]

Noraa I keep trying to be nice to you but you're just so consistently wrong about me.

T^T im trying to read u
if im wrong, god fuck me and my reads. flea u deserve better if im actually wrong again.

[Noraa]

I don't like Marky's vote on Horsewoman. Feels like an overreaction honestly.
Jacko's reminds me of Shelly's mini we played in recently so I'll locktown Jacko for it for now.

I took Horsewoman's post as a joke as well but honestly even if it isn't, its nothing big, yeah? Like half the time im town, I just sheep people who actually don't suck's reads lol.

Moving on to read page 4~

Please tell me about how my pg 3 vote is an overreaction as opposed to trying to work with the limited information we have.

I am also enjoying how JV follows up on my vote but your are SRing me and TRing him. Go figure lol.

the problem is that what Jacko did matches up with his town meta a fair amount.

[Noraa]

Not sure what I think of llama honestly. I feel like llama reads somewhat genuine and im willing to town bin for now.

I found 80 very contrived. Are you also seeing this as contrived but just think its NAI or do you not think it is contrived at all?

I have mixed feelings about that post. I don't agree but I don't know if its necessarily scum indicative.

[Noraa]

Ok well im now 99% sure I have soul read on Flea and I think they're scum. Maybe will explain why later. A bit cautious treading in this territory cuz last I SRed Flea, they were town. Gimme some time to think.

No, you're gonna have to explain it now.

Nope. im not 100% sure yet so im not dropping meta tells just so Flea can change it up. Once its a pattern, it'll click better.

[Noraa]

I will drop it sometime day 1. just wait patiently.

[Noraa]

Not sure what I think of llama honestly. I feel like llama reads somewhat genuine and im willing to town bin for now.

That's a terrible reason to town-bin someone, you can't townbin and say you're not sure what you think of them. Those are contradicting statements

I don't like Marky's vote on Horsewoman. Feels like an overreaction honestly.
Jacko's reminds me of Shelly's mini we played in recently so I'll locktown Jacko for it for now.

I took Horsewoman's post as a joke as well but honestly even if it isn't, its nothing big, yeah? Like half the time im town, I just sheep people who actually don't suck's reads lol.

Moving on to read page 4~

What about Mark's vote seems like an overreaction? Also what about my plays compared to shelly's mini makes me lock-town? I don't want to get pocketed here by noraabear. OH MY GOD NORAA IS A BEAR

Your pushes don't make any sense to me. Thats what's similar. Its also like page 5 so you actually need to chill a bit more if ur town.

[Noraa]

Not sure what I think of llama honestly. I feel like llama reads somewhat genuine and im willing to town bin for now.

That's a terrible reason to town-bin someone, you can't townbin and say you're not sure what you think of them. Those are contradicting statements

I mean ... ok?
What I meant is that im unsure of the conclusion that I came to but llama is basically a null town lean.

[Noraa]

Of course not, some prime examples of anti-town behaviour include

Not_Mafia, Not_Mafia and Not_Mafia.

Is this an reference I'm supposed to understand? I'm also new here so I didn't get it.

They're a player that is anti-town to it's core. They hammer any E-1 regardless of alignment and never takes games seriously, at least as far as I know.

He's grown as a player if you ask me. His recent games for example shelly's mini, I found it quite enjoyable to have him there

[Noraa]

I mean ... ok?
What I meant is that im unsure of the conclusion that I came to but llama is basically a null town lean.

Oh so you have no other null-town or higher reads than Llama/Horse and myself? That's awkward wording Noraapoo

even having reads on page 6 is like a blessing lmfao.

[Noraa]

Noraa I feel like I am kicking a puppy but I need to know how you can criticize someone for pushes that don't make sense... on page 5.

I didn't criticize. I literally called Jacko town for it :/

[Noraa]

I think they kinda have "wrong place, wrong time" ~vibes~

[Noraa]

the problem is that what Jacko did matches up with their town meta a fair amount.

[Noraa]

Please tell me about how my pg 3 vote is an overreaction as opposed to trying to work with the limited information we have.

Feels like between this and the meta tell on Flea, Noraa has been avoiding answering questions so far. Why the cold shoulder Noraa?

I find it extremely interesting that u've shaded three people already and its like page 6.

I answered.
I believe that what they did was not deserving of that vote but Jacko is special cuz their town meta matches up with votes not always making sense.

You however, don't get the benefit of the doubt cuz I've never played with u before.

I've said multiple times why my meta tell isnt gonna be dropped quite yet. Why push it?

VOTE: Mark

[Noraa]

Pig and Nono's 0-context votes seem sus to me, especially when we are getting beyond RVS

I'm still leaning scum (to the extend that one can, at this early stage) on Horsewoman atm, esp off the back of her trying to claim townpoints for her post that got picked apart. I'm gonna VOTE: Llama though because their posts just feel a bit forced, and inconsistent.

Im very concerned as to why you are giving off really heavy newbscum vibes cuz ur join date tells me that shouldn't be the case.

See here's what I see from you:
constant shade on multiple people(you've literally shaded almost everyone in this plist by now)
barely caring about other people's SRs on you(which is a newbscum tell that says they know the people SRing are right so they are avoiding)
jumping on the biggest wagon so far AFTER some other people jump on when you were(if I remember correctly), the first to SR llama

[Noraa]

you've literally shaded almost everyone in this plist by now

and its literally page 7 :/

[Noraa]

So far these tells have been the ^_^ and and my kaomojis. v( ‘.’ )v

Don't worry. Thats not the tell that I'm seeing here.

[Noraa]

*cartwheels across the room*
*accidentally kicks DGB in the face*
Uh oh O_O
*runs away*

[Noraa]

Nope, and she won't for about 2 or 3 days.

I'm looking forward to this, honestly (((o(*ﾟ▽ﾟ*)o)))

Accidentally dropped it but in the wrong thread. Anyways the tell is basically that flea is being too fluffy.

Like I understand flea has a cutesy online personality but like when it gets TOO fluffy and the plist isn't like a bunch of their friends, its generally scum indicative to some degree.

I'm still trying to figure out how to read flea honestly but I just always feel like this fluffiness is strange ya'know?

I found the faces/emojis strange in student council but here im kinda just like the overall fluffiness is a bit tooo fluffy.

Yeah ok ignore me until I figure out how to word this better.

[Noraa]

Why so keen for tells on me nornor?

your play style just seems to trigger my scum radar. dunno why :/
im trying to figure out which scum pings are not right and which ones are and why.

[Noraa]

I have a town read on Flea but Noraa's tell about the amount of fluff is super convincing. I guess i am wrong and Flea is scum. So my next step is to vote Mark, if I get how this works?

PFFFFFFFFFT yes that's the script DGB. pls follow it.

[Noraa]

ʕ•ૅૄ•ʔ

Do you need a chaos hug nornor?
╲ʕ·ᴥ·　╲ʔ

T^T yesh pls.
*accidentally fell into flea's pocket*
well ... shit

[Noraa]

Also I'll have you know I'm just as fluffy in real life. My queer butt just wants to love, be loved and hug friendos!

And also I will protect those I consider within the boundaries of my inner circle with my life. A truly scary sight to witness a fight or flight instinct be controlled and wielded in such a manner with reckless disregard for all but whom I stand to protect.

But thankfully the world isn't that full of meanies so I don't have to do that ʕ灬￫ᴥ￩灬ʔ

:O Such a precious soul
*takes back her SR*

[Noraa]

SRing me for shading people is odd IMO - would it not be more suspicious if I wasn't trying to find scum?

shading people doesn't equal finding scum :/

[Noraa]

I wasn't actively trying to hunt scum?

the problem is that I think ur shading people not hunting scum.

[Noraa]

6/13 players != "almost everyone in this plist". If you're going to shade me at leastbe truthful about it rather than resorting to hyperbole.

Ok sorry. Maybe I need to say "almost everyone that has talked"
It'd be really sincerely weird if you were shading people that haven't even posted so u shouldn't exactly feel good that you didnt get the whole plist shaded just cuz the part that hasn't be shaded hasn't really even posted :/

[Noraa]

shading me for actively trying to scumhunt.

Do I need to quote the posts where u run around and shade people? cuz I don't see much scum hunting.

[Noraa]

in my (limited) experience, newbscum tend to panic when people vote them rather than playing it cool like a more seasoned player. Not sure if you are stretching the truth to fit the facts here or have just had a different experience of playing with new players (entirely possible).

there's another way to think about it.
some newbscum panic but other newbscum KNOW that the people SRing them are right, so they are absurdly calm.

[Noraa]

I get NKed

uhhhhhhh lol I don't think that's gonna happen this game.

[Noraa]

Alright after all that and a reread on Mark

[Noraa]

rip I clicked submit

[Noraa]

Lemme try that again lol

*AHEM*

Alright after all that and a reread on Mark, im feeling better about mark even though it may not seem like it due to my last few posts. Overall, im liking the answers he's giving and yeah!

UNVOTE:

[Noraa]

Weird.

Show us where you thought Mark was shading people.

Nah I liked his reply and now TR him. If he starts being scummy again tho, my walls of evidence will come strolling in in some tall high heels like clickety clack clack.

[Noraa]

Lol jacko why are you only talking to me itt?
maybe uh .... spread ur attention evenly rather than hyperfocus on me.

There are certain things that sometimes are just gut and not explainable. In time, they will become words.

[Noraa]

cko is special cuz their town meta matches up with votes not always making sense.

And yet I’ve been right in majority of my games

I agree with this to a certain extent. you have pretty good reads in Cakes large normal

[Noraa]

Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?

She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.



Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.

Pfft this post is funny. you used my logic against Marky against Horsewoman. I find scums tend to like to repeat/paraphrase what townies are saying all over the place bc the townie's subconscious will be like ":O :OOOOO lets relate!"

Honestly a quick ISO of Mark should show u the shading pretty easily but since apparently you cant see, I'll go find them in a sec.

I think your read on Nora is off though

Why?

Its to my understanding that Nora is a cutesy overly excited kind of player... Like a puppy but in this game it doesn't seem over the top, and it feels like there's a level of focus and seriousness there. It's almost like she needs to actually some thinking in the game, and not make plays to redirect town votes, and plays, and cause havic.

There is something happening to cause this subtle shift in play at a subconscious level and it's that thing at that level that gives me my read on her

I dunno if this is very accurate but eh I am town here so yeah.

Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?

She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.



Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.

That basis for lock-scumming Horse is kinda weak. Just because you SR them doesn't mean town!them would SR you back.

A town wouldn't be afraid to OMGUS me if my pushes on them seemed so aggressive. I was expecting her to woman up and say fuck you! And vote me, cause that's what I'd do. As town i wouldn't just ignore you and let you paint me as scum, if you are framing me, you are going down with me.

Ur town play is trash then if that's how you think. OMGUSing is something nearly every newbie does but thinking it is optimal play is pretty bad.

I think your read on Nora is off though

Why?

Its to my understanding that Nora is a cutesy overly excited kind of player... Like a puppy but in this game it doesn't seem over the top, and it feels like there's a level of focus and seriousness there. It's almost like she needs to actually some thinking in the game, and not make plays to redirect town votes, and plays, and cause havic.

There is something happening to cause this subtle shift in play at a subconscious level and it's that thing at that level that gives me my read on her

Meta can be faked. Noraa and I played together in a couple games recently and i've seen her how she can effortlessly change her meta to confuse players. This is why it is wiser to judge her solely on how she behaves in this game.

You have 2 games with me.
One where I was town and mislimmed day 2
one where I was scum and limmed day 2.
Where's the manipulation, changing of meta, confusion, etc?

cko is special cuz their town meta matches up with votes not always making sense.

And yet I’ve been right in majority of my games

I agree with this to a certain extent. you have pretty good reads in Cakes large normal

This specific post, it's probably not AI but I feel it has to be at least somewhat. I just checked SirCakez Large Normal, and what she said is incorrect and I don't recall any other game with Noraa specifically in it that I had what they would call "pretty good reads" as I've replaced out of them in nearly all cases and the one I didn't I had wrong reads as it was early D1.

In the Large Normal they were referring to, I replaced out early D1. My reads were not anywhere near "pretty good" as the only scum I had "read" was Glitch, and I had them as a town-read. Noraa is either thinking of another game, which I want them to clarify immediately, or they're trying to pocket me.

Again, this isn't AI in itself if Noraa can back up her mistake otherwise I think it's a slip.

Jacko, you really think I take a game where you have trash reads and just be like EY THEY ARE GOOD. I don't understand why you find this strange. Honestly, lets say I was scum. Wouldn't I just be 10x more careful making sure that everything matches up perfectly? Like ... bruh.
You repped out day 1, yes. but all of ur TRs were correct. If I remember correctly, ur only wrong read was the SR on Nero.

Nora is a cutesy overly excited kind of player... Like a puppy but in this game it doesn't seem over the top, and it feels like there's a level of focus and seriousness there. It's almost like she needs to actually some thinking in the game, and not make plays to redirect town votes, and plays, and cause havic.

I see the exact opposite. Complete lack of focus, seriousness, or thinking, wrecking havoc.

When I was scum with her I was glad to let her roll the town with that BS. Here, not so much.

How am I "rolling town with that BS"?
Quote the posts that you dislike cuz you haven't expressed even a SL on me until now where u just state out of the blue that im scum now apparently.

[Noraa]

Btw, my vote is gonna go here for a bit.
VOTE: Guillotina

[Noraa]

Arguing over semantics is a classic scum play

You have an uncanny familiarity with mafia jargon for a new user in their first game onsite. Hmmm

Trying to look like you are getting the game to progress while expecting others to do it for you however...

Your other posts are ++TR but asking for meta on pg4 strikes me as a bit forced - particularly as this is nothing something I recall you doing in our 2 previous games together where you were town

I am also enjoying how JV follows up on my vote but your are SRing me and TRing him. Go figure lol.

This serious or no? If serious then why? If no, then why are you still trying to push RVS when the game is starting to emerge from that?

TL;DR - JV has either
a.) skimmed and not seen me already posting those points
b.) Is operating perfectly in synch with me or
c.) is trying to pocket me

Feels like between this and the meta tell on Flea, Noraa has been avoiding answering questions so far. Why the cold shoulder Noraa?

I mean yeah, but the logic of trying to take credit for progressing the game through making a dubious post that others then picked apart is stretching it a bit lol

Pig and Nono's 0-context votes seem sus to me, especially when we are getting beyond RVS

[Noraa]

By the way, you don't get town points for OMGUSing me after I said why I think town would or should.

OMGUS is a term created by wolves to discredit town hunches on votes against them.

you just called urself scum lol.

[Noraa]

Now Noraa, see this? This is shading!

Got it.
"Everything that guillo says is shady has just absolutely gotta be shading"

[Noraa]

I'm on a lot of people's scum lists. Flea, you may need to bus me.

??? !!! ??? !!! ???

psst DGB this is where you say "no no lemme do the bus"
follow ze script!

[Noraa]

Now Noraa, see this? This is shading!

Got it.
"Everything that guillo says is shady has just absolutely gotta be shading"

See? You are learning what shading is now! You just shaded me too.

Now compare this shading and flea's shading with your wallposts of Mark's shading please. Then tell me if you still think Mark was shading in all of those posts you quoted.

pfft you realize I did it on purpose cuz I think ur too snotty right?

[Noraa]

I realize you are trying too hard to look TWTBW

Keep dreaming.

[Noraa]

but this feels very consensus-y

Im liking you more and more

[Noraa]

Hi, I'm new

I mean I'm pretty sure horse is new *to this site* but not new to mafia in general. isn't that misleading imo but I can see where the confusion comes from and why someone might misinterpret it as her trying to pull a newb card.

[Noraa]

I am also quite frankly loving that Noraa went to the effort of making a wall out of my ISO. The Marky Mark entourage has another member methinks - perhaps we should start calling you lot the Funky Bunch?

For real though, 0-contex quoting my votes doesn't really help me understand why you think they are shading rather than SRing. I more than happy to chat through individual posts with you, if you want to actually articulate what it is about them that makes them shade, rather than scumhunting

Guillo kept insisting I provide evidence when I've started TRing you long ago. It was ridiculous but I did it and I do think each of those posts is shady to some extent. It doesn't affect my current read on you tho.

[Noraa]

If you genuinely think the posts are shady then make a case . If you think I'm town and didn't want to go back over the posts then why not just tell Guillo what you've just told me rather then posting them? Either position seems reasonable.

I did. He insisted that I post them so I did.

The thing is that I do still find those posts shady but overall there are other things like the way you answered my questions and engaged me that I hard TR.

[Noraa]

@mark I understand. Still believe HW is scum and until she towns up, she is not getting out of my list.

PFFT. You keep repeating that yet ur vote's on me. LOL.

[Noraa]

Noraa I need to have a proper look at, as there's plenty there to go off. My interactions with them have felt fairly genuine fmpov so ++TR for that, but ++SR for the initial push on me as the reasoning was rather off in my (biased) opinion.

Well I'm gonna come in and drop some self meta. I almost always tunnel town on day 1.
For example in all of these games I SRed ONLY town on day 1:

Newbie 2029
Mini 2169(I semi SRed a scum here)
Mini 2170
Open 796(I semi SRed a scum here)
Open 800
Mini 2177(I tunneled two town REALLY REALLY hard)
Micro 981
Ok T^T no more I'm feeling embarrassed about my town games now

[Noraa]

I said DGB has been focused on Noraa,

I agree with this btw.

[Noraa]

Nighty night!

G'night

[Noraa]

I said that i would be judging the game based on this game's actions. So any kind of meta is irrelevant to me including people's self meta.

Good for you. Im not putting that meta there for you anyways cuz you already stated that you don't care about meta.

[Noraa]

I mean I'm pretty sure horse is new *to this site* but not new to mafia in general. isn't that misleading imo but I can see where the confusion comes from and why someone might misinterpret it as her trying to pull a newb card.

She specifically said " hi, I'm new! Go easy on me"

I made an entire wall about how that was more likely to come from scum

I mean if she's new to this site, she's not familiar with site meta and stuff like that. I find it not crazy to ask for people to go easy on her.

[Noraa]

I do not TR horse any more cuz this many SRs on her is making me nervous of my ability to find scum but I will argue that the case on her isnt as good as maybe everyone thinks.

[Noraa]

Hi!

I've played since 2012 but I havnt played in like 2 years. Plz go easy on me

I can see where this is coming from cuz if I wanted to be absolutely ridiculous, I could come into every game and say something like:

"Hi! I'm new to this game! Plz go ez on me"

[Noraa]

"Hi! I'm new to this game! Plz go ez on me"

well this actually sounds dull upon reread.
lemme try saying that again with some more sarcasm.

"Hi! I'm new to this game as in I've never played a game with this mod, this setup, and this plist all in one! Plz go ez on me"

Yeah I get why its weird. I have seen horsewoman call herself new all over the site tho(outside of the mafia forum) so ......

[Noraa]

Noraa is either scum playing dumb or a Naive Town.

I legitimately dont think saying "please go easy on me" is anything crazy.

like I honestly see town saying it more.

its TSTBS :/

it reads really bad. legitimately so bad that I think it might just be town

[Noraa]

Eeeeh shading comes from either scum or toxic town people. It was not a shade, it was part of the progression in the conversation. If you just picked up that post without the rest of the context it would look like shading, just like Noraa who posted a whole wall of Marky quotes without context and called him out on doung shading, i think you also called out Noraa on that no? (Real question)

I think you've got a different definition of shading than I do which is fine although Mark himself has shaded a small bit earlier in the game does that mean they're toxic town or scum? fyi I just read the context of that post and you essentially pulled that out on the spot, I don't personally see the reasonings of why that wouldn't be shade from your definition. Also difference here between Noraa calling out shade and myself is that I actually asked you to back up your read with quotes, which you refused to do at first.

btw I wanted to say its fine if no one agrees that the posts I quoted were shade because I don't tend to have the same definitions as other people on this regard. Almost each thing I quoted I still believe to be shading and arguing definitions will do us no good bc my definitions are wonky.

[Noraa]

I need to catch up sometime.

[Noraa]

To scummy to be scum is rediculous here. She wouldn't have even gotten caught if she didn't play like she had experience

I don't think playing like a total newbie is difficult to fake honestly. I think there are lots of ways scum can hide and barging in, telling everyone ur a newbie and then talking like an SE is definitely not the first thought that comes to mind.

[Noraa]

It isn't inherently scummy looking to have a new account and to ask to be treated like someone who doesn't know the game because, they probably don't. The issue is that she didn't play the part making it apparent that she knows exactly what she's doing

I recently played a game with a Hectic alt. He claimed he was a newbie on the alt and then used a lot of fancy terms. He was town. What does that tell us?
It tells us that doing this type of weird shenanigans isn't necessarily scum indicative. Like it looks pretty bad and her's actually looks worse than Hectic cuz Hectic was trying harder to mask the xp. But I do still think its TSTBS.

[Noraa]

Eeeeh shading comes from either scum or toxic town people. It was not a shade, it was part of the progression in the conversation. If you just picked up that post without the rest of the context it would look like shading, just like Noraa who posted a whole wall of Marky quotes without context and called him out on doung shading, i think you also called out Noraa on that no? (Real question)

I think you've got a different definition of shading than I do which is fine although Mark himself has shaded a small bit earlier in the game does that mean they're toxic town or scum? fyi I just read the context of that post and you essentially pulled that out on the spot, I don't personally see the reasonings of why that wouldn't be shade from your definition. Also difference here between Noraa calling out shade and myself is that I actually asked you to back up your read with quotes, which you refused to do at first.

btw I wanted to say its fine if no one agrees that the posts I quoted were shade because I don't tend to have the same definitions as other people on this regard. Almost each thing I quoted I still believe to be shading and arguing definitions will do us no good bc my definitions are wonky.

Actually your definitions of shading would help me a lot.

My definition of shading is the act of discrediting someone in bad faith while putting themselves in a position of no compromise towards the discrediting.

Trivializing, devaluation, gaslighting, half tones of suspicion are various examples of shading to me.

my definition is the same but certain statements I consider shading yet no one else does.

[Noraa]

so its weird to see several players fixating on that once piece of evidence rather than the slot more broadly.

agree. everyone is tunneling in one this one thing so much that I think she's probs just town for all the attention.

[Noraa]

I mean I'm pretty sure horse is new *to this site* but not new to mafia in general. isn't that misleading imo but I can see where the confusion comes from and why someone might misinterpret it as her trying to pull a newb card.

She specifically said " hi, I'm new! Go easy on me"

I made an entire wall about how that was more likely to come from scum

I mean if she's new to this site, she's not familiar with site meta and stuff like that. I find it not crazy to ask for people to go easy on her.

Yeah I just wanted you all not to call me names and stuff, I dont know anyone here is the thing.

Also sorry for not posting anything substantive in aaages, couple of bad mental health days. Sadly the streak will continue as I will be unable to post anything substantive for some hours now.

I'm gonna look like an asshole, but this sounds a lot like AtE. I hope you do get better but I still suspect this slot.

well if uk ur gonna look like an asshole, then don't say it.

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

Evening all, today has just been very mental with work, so apologies for not being on. This will be a flying catchup post until I get a chance to sit down properly (hopefully tomorrow)

UNVOTE: - I'll give Llama's replacement a chance to catch up and psot their thoughts of the game state. The slot is scummy an I don't want to let it slip off the hook, but my vote there serves no purpose atm.

On a similar note - I can see that Pig's vote is on No Elim, who is also being replaced.
- @Pig: Who would be your next choice to vote aside from no elim's slot?

You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?

This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.

There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner

Mafia

I just don't get this post - like

why bother

stating the obvious assumption being drawn here

when we can all see

what Momrangal was trying to convey?

Also, this did feel like shading. I don't believe you are an idiot if you are playing this game so I don't believe your question was a real one. Then you state that we can all see what Momrangal was trying to convey. Who is all? Did you ask each and every one of us to come to that conclusion?

When I say Marky is shading, you disagree but the moment he slightly disagrees with you, suddenly the tables have flipped is that how it is?

[Noraa]

Care to share games where she's done this. It would be great if you can share a game where she was town and another one where she was mafia and she did this. Because then I could treat it as a behavior pattern rather than an AI.

are you reading my posts? I said OUTSIDE OF THE MAFIA FORUM.

[Noraa]

VOTE: Momrangal

why not

VOTE: DGB

explain your vote pls.

[Noraa]

VOTE: Momrangal

why not

VOTE: DGB

explain your vote pls.

I still think Guillo is the scummiest tho jus saying.

[Noraa]

damn i missed it

HA

[Noraa]

Happy with a scum lean here at the moment.
I was suspicious and went for a dive to see what I'd find.

Also I am massively disappointed that despite listening to spotify all day, I haven't inserted more than 1 song.

This however, I can take. SL on horsewoman is definitely fine and unlike some other people, I do think ur considering everything instead of just screaming "SHE LIED ABOUT BEING NEW"
OH NO!
I've lied in games before and been town....yall needa chill especially since it wasn't really even a lie. It was more a y'all interpreted wrong type of thing(imo).

[Noraa]

You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?

This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.

There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner

Bro you talking like i was trying to hide my mafia experience (which was 72 hour day phases and really casual) but I immediately said I had experience when asked even though i easily could have pretended to be totally new as the forum i played on is now down and I didnt even use this username so nobody was catching me

+1

[Noraa]

Noraa seems to know a great deal about you despite you've only played two games here. Are you sure you two are not wolf partners?

She's been in multiple threads(not games)
and also lol way to shade me.

Guillo/DGB currently is part of my solve on this game.

[Noraa]

I have 0 idea who she is, she's just being weird.

well that's rude.

[Noraa]

Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?

She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.



Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

i didn't vote for you because hardcore, ridiculous irrational tunneling usually comes from town, which is what you're doing.

When you really wanna punch someone in the face cuz their obnoxious as hell, it generally is a town tell I won't lie.
I probs should be reassessing my read on guillo cuz he's so damn annoying :/

[Noraa]

*they're

[Noraa]

Toogeloo has still been a very bad, nothing poster (which is one of the reasons I voted for him already). Apart from post 408, which is a decent post, he's accomplished nothing. He hasn't asked any questions. He hasn't pushed or applied pressure. He hasn't even stated any reads ay any point. I do not like it one bit and I am voting for him still.

Marky Mark had an odd entry to the game where he started pushing me for dumb reasons. But he kind of kept an open mind and reversed that push and has overall been useful all game. His tone is sort of weird to me but I'm 100% sure that's personality. A genuinely open-minded mindset is a townie thing to do (I know that I also said hardtunnelling is townie. Scum are somewhere in between).

Noraa for me is a hard townread because of post 403 specifically, I don't think scum would ever admit to that thought process (even if it is silly).

Fleaaa has mostly done nothing and is tonally kind of odd/gimmicky (I dig it though) which means I kind of am struggling to read him. Faer (that's your pronoun right?) couple of deep dives/ISOs seem pretty good to me, faer deep dive on me is like, legitimately good (see how it's done?). But still null as of yet. I dig Flea as a person though.

This is a good post. I can see where it comes from.

[Noraa]

You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?

This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.

There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner

This is a train of thought that I have seen many times that basically goes 'only mafia would care about being lynched/treated badly'. Completely wrong! Being mislynched sucks on an emotional level and it also hurts town on a game level! Town have a huge interest in not being lynched.

See this is what I'm talking about? You want us to town read you but you take posts out of context and AtE to try to get us to not push you, which makes me want to push you more. She is talking about, why would any of us would take it easy on you because you are new? Why would we believe that you are new? Why do we care that you are new or experienced? There are games for newbies here. You could have signed to one of those but you chose to sign up for a no-newbies game, which is fine! But don't expect preferential treatment.

Being myslynched sucks, but that is what towns are destined to be, some of us will have to die, so others can get info out of our deaths and solve the game. Don't take it personally, it is part of the game, don't act like it is not.

Now I'm gonna let go of your "noob" BS and work with you, help me townread you.

I'm not trying to AtE here, I was saying why many town act that way in many many games, not just myself. I never said that I would personally be upset if you eliminate me, honestly it's on you to not mis-elim me not on me. Stop putting words in my mouth. I also never expected 'preferential treatment', again putting words on my mouth. I said 'go easy on me' in my very first post and since then have said NOTHING about expecting preferential treatment and have played just like any other player.

In truth I should stop engaging with your posts because you seem to have your mind made up. But people have actually bought into your push for some reason and I'm kind of tilted about it lol.

Guillo got on my nerves really fast as well for the same reason. I empathize.

[Noraa]

Flea's dive on HW is good, and backs up my point that there is way more stuff in there that is scummy than just the "hi I'm new thing"

I find it weird that this is stuff that JV, Flea and I have all commented on (there may be others too) but Guillo/Momrangal are still tunneled/fixated on that one specific "hi I'm new" post

Agree with the flea post. It was good.

Guillo/Mom probably isn't the solve. I do think there is a pretty decent sized possibility that at least one is scum cuz the thought process is just not great.
Guillo's annoying me a shit ton and im trying to mostly tone him out so I don't get angry. Normally when someones being super annoying, they are just bad town but im not too sure about guillo.
That leaves Mom. I feel like Mom has decent pushes tho and is fairly genuine feeling. Like I think they truly do believe in what they're saying so that's difficult.

I think maybe its just Guillo's personality and im giving him a pass for nothing.

[Noraa]

I do not TR horse any more cuz this many SRs on her is making me nervous of my ability to find scum but I will argue that the case on her isnt as good as maybe everyone thinks.

Is your reads that weak that you can be swayed just because the majority disagree with your read? Or is it that you don't want to look too out there as you have an image to uphold? Yes that was shade so instead of doing whatever you're doing explain why you town-read them and why any of the cases we have on them are incorrect or unbased.

Multiple times I have been the one townie that didn't realize someone was scum on day 1 when apparently it was blatantly obvious.
I can link plenty of games that fit this description and they are the reason that consensus can definitely shift my reads.

Half the cases tunneled on her saying she's new are my problem. Other cases that assess her as a whole I believe are alright but shitty tunnels over one post she made are crap.

[Noraa]

Why are people using votes like this. Saying that Gill is scummier defeats the original purpose of voting DGB.

I just want an answer from DGB.

[Noraa]

Noraa seems to know a great deal about you despite you've only played two games here. Are you sure you two are not wolf partners?

Can you back this up with quotes.

+1

[Noraa]

Why are people using votes like this. Saying that Gill is scummier defeats the original purpose of voting DGB.

I just want an answer from DGB.

It looks like either you are wasting your vote or you're preparing yourself for a quick retraction

Not really but if it makes you feel better or something, VOTE: Guillo
DGB, I still want the answer.

The point is to say that I want an answer and DGB is a very possible vote candidate. I could swap DGB in for Guillo if DGB ever starts obvscumming.
My preference atm is Guillo but DGB can easily change that.

[Noraa]

Noraa got way more agressive ever since i posted that she could be w/w with marky.

Putting this down for ISO purposes

You suggested I was scum with horsewoman. Did you forget this fast or were your reads fake from the beginning?

[Noraa]

I do not TR horse any more cuz this many SRs on her is making me nervous of my ability to find scum but I will argue that the case on her isnt as good as maybe everyone thinks.

Is your reads that weak that you can be swayed just because the majority disagree with your read? Or is it that you don't want to look too out there as you have an image to uphold? Yes that was shade so instead of doing whatever you're doing explain why you town-read them and why any of the cases we have on them are incorrect or unbased.

Multiple times I have been the one townie that didn't realize someone was scum on day 1 when apparently it was blatantly obvious.
I can link plenty of games that fit this description and they are the reason that consensus can definitely shift my reads.

Half the cases tunneled on her saying she's new are my problem. Other cases that assess her as a whole I believe are alright but shitty tunnels over one post she made are crap.

Self-meta isn't my strawberry pie

it can be ur blueberry pie then.

[Noraa]

Gather round everyone! Vaxkiller is here! We are going to do this!

WOOT WOOT! ALL ABOARD!

Let me read and sniff them out. MUAHAHAHAHAHAH

sniff sniff

I just remembered y im a fan of vax

[Noraa]

Not stopping till I get all claims!

I claim town potato.

[Noraa]

Noraa seems to know a great deal about you despite you've only played two games here. Are you sure you two are not wolf partners?

Can you back this up with quotes.

No, follow the conversation. The game is only 19 pages long. Or ISO me.

I'm not going to allow you to just shade someone for something you can't even be bothered to prove. Own your words

I dont like that word, i never intent to shade when im town. I scum hunt

this defense is bad lmfao.

[Noraa]

Eeeeh shading comes from either scum or toxic town people.

you just called about every single person here one of those then cuz im about 99% sure everyone's shaded in some way or another by now.

this is entirely inaccurate btw.

[Noraa]

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
JacksonVirgo
Guillotina
Marky Mark
Horsewoman
Flea the Magician

NULL

AGamblingPig
Nono
Momrangal

SCUM

Toogeloo
Noraa
LlamaMama
no elim

Lol this looks like the activity list with nora's name moved to scum.

good observation.
+scum points for DGB.

[Noraa]

At first I thought this was Noraa's case, so i wanted to make sure and push on Noraa to find out her thought process, instead she pulled out quotes that were not shading at all, so that process had to be fake.

King Guillo doesn't agree so its fake

[Noraa]

I'm caught up, I skimmed alot tho. Will iso as needed.

If you skimmed a lot.

How did you come up with a full read list?

are you reading the same game as me? where's the readlist?

[Noraa]

Noraa can you explain why reads lined up with the activity list is scummy. Not wrong, scummy.

TRing all the more active players except one is VERY lazy sorting if town and I don't think DGB ever does readlists in general this early in the game as town.

[Noraa]

Im not scared of looking like an asshole to speak my mind.

its not about whether or not ur scared. no one cares about that. its about being a good person.

[Noraa]

This is shading by the way. And this also checks with my theory that you both could be w/w

JacksonVirgo disagreed with me, but he did it in a way that can come from town so i still town read him. Your accusation is denied.

Next!

ok so ur stupid theory is now that you, king guillo has solved an entire game on day 1 with the scum team being Horsewoman/Noraa/Marky

[Noraa]

Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?

She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.



Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

i didn't vote for you because hardcore, ridiculous irrational tunneling usually comes from town, which is what you're doing.

When you really wanna punch someone in the face cuz their obnoxious as hell, it generally is a town tell I won't lie.
I probs should be reassessing my read on guillo cuz he's so damn annoying :/

You gonna change your read on me based on NAI shit?

Obnoxious is a personality thing, it can come from both mafia and town because such trait comes with the player, not the play! Lol.
I could be an obnoxious wolf and you are gonna town read me because im obnoxious!?

Sounds like a bs excuse to town read me and not thunderdome with me.

VOTE: Noraa

Die!

Pfft. I don't TR you at all.
I do think ur pstyle is extremely obnoxious tho with the whole ~Im always right, you peasants~ attitude.

[Noraa]

They didn't provide a read list at all.

+1

[Noraa]

Noraa got way more agressive ever since i posted that she could be w/w with marky.

Putting this down for ISO purposes

My annoyed meter only goes so far before the temperature starts rising.

[Noraa]

Did you not literally just say they're probably Town?

if its a playstyle thing.
if its personality, then no.

[Noraa]

Is your vote placed on me because you scum read me or you want me policy yeeted?

both.

[Noraa]

Not stopping till I get all claims!

I claim town potato.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Noraa]

VOTE: Momrangal

why not

VOTE: DGB

explain your vote pls.

99% aura soul read, a fairy told me who was sitting pretty on a toadstool blowing sparkly bubbles!

*Crickets*

[Noraa]

Noraa is caught scum lashing out, calling it now.

you've thought I was scum every game now.
maybe reassess ur reads.
u thought I was scum in trials and Cakes large normal.

You were my scum buddy in Death Curse. Tell me. what did my play look like there. and don't be snarky with ur answer. Fairies and bubbles and toadstools don't cut it.

[Noraa]

This is shading by the way. And this also checks with my theory that you both could be w/w

JacksonVirgo disagreed with me, but he did it in a way that can come from town so i still town read him. Your accusation is denied.

Next!

ok so ur stupid theory is now that you, king guillo has solved an entire game on day 1 with the scum team being Horsewoman/Noraa/Marky

Did i ever say Horsewoman/Noraa=Marky are wolves?

Also, TMI? How do you know there are three wolves?

this is a mini theme right? those always have 3 scum.

[Noraa]

You said I was scum with horsewoman and then you also said I was scum with Marky.
Apparently in guillo's world Noraa is just confscum cuz OMGUS.

[Noraa]

I can do a lot of things. Sleep is not one of them.

Although I am gonna try now, night

Night Jacko!

[Noraa]

Is your vote placed on me because you scum read me or you want me policy yeeted?

both.

I can get behind wanting to yeet someone that looks obnoxious!

Why do you scum read me though? Because your vote felt personal, you dont like my personality so let's kill this guy right? But you are yet to case me as a wolf.

Don't worry. I already basically know why you are scum. Your ISO will betray u. Just wait.

[Noraa]

Noraa is caught scum lashing out, calling it now.

Agreed!

[Noraa]

You said I was scum with horsewoman and then you also said I was scum with Marky.
Apparently in guillo's world Noraa is just confscum cuz OMGUS.

So? In my private notes i got Horsewoman as Null now. I thought she was scum but she's been towning up. Not by a lot but she is, unlike you.

Do you expect my reads to be set on stone? Only wolves expect that you know?

I'll give you 1 star for the shade. the quality of the shade was kinda shitty so 1 star was all u got.

[Noraa]

My scum reads vote me. Expected.

Check you out mr High and mighty

+1
I like snarky flea

[Noraa]

[Noraa]

Take the noraa read with a grain of salt because I can't really read her, but her posts have felt a bit LAMIST-y and she doesn't have the laid-back approach or flashes of insight I expect from town!her. Also unfortunately, it doesn't feel like she's enjoying this game as much as she usually does and I know she likes town more than scum.

*Kicks infinity in the shins really really hard*
I was so happy when I saw u rep in >:(

[Noraa]

The way you butchered mom's name was really funny tho so I'll kick u one less time than I was originally planning.

[Noraa]

You feel like a robot this game. me no like the SR on me >:(

[Noraa]

1) how dare I be in the SRs
2) how dare I be at the BOTTOM of the SRs
3) I wanna kick u again :3

[Noraa]

*crosses my arms*
*does a staring contest with infinity*
*wins*
*runs off to get a cookie*

[Noraa]

Holy damn how many pages did y'all spam?

[Noraa]

*crosses my arms*
*does a staring contest with infinity*
*wins*
*runs off to get a cookie*

If you can declare yourself to be the winner of a staring contest, I can declare your role pm to be red!

How are you feeling about horse, regardless of anyone else's opinions? Was there a specific argument to SR her that was convincing or did you just doubt youself.

Eh I think she's probs town. But some paranoia kicked me in the ass cuz everyone was saying she was scum. Too many times have I been that one townie that's just too blind to see obvscum. Like everyone else is like "NORAA YOU DUMBASS THIS IS OBVSCUM" and I'm just sitting there like "NO THIS IS CONFTOWN GO TF AWAY"

[Noraa]

I dont love DGB either. Look at this reads list.

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
JacksonVirgo
Guillotina
Marky Mark
Horsewoman
Flea the Magician

NULL

AGamblingPig
Nono
Momrangal

SCUM

Toogeloo
Noraa
LlamaMama
no elim

She's pretty much scumreading a bunch of inactives and townreading the players who are doing anything (this was already pointed out by vaxkiller). And posts like 481 are in my opinion, really terrible.

No it was a point that I pointed out first. GIMME MY CREDIT

[Noraa]

.

Hectic stole my page top >:(

[Noraa]

I'm going to put my vote on

VOTE: Momrangal

Momrangal/Toogeloo/DGB are the people I'm most suspicious of right now and momrangal is the one with the pressure in the game so I will add to that!

I'd love a DGB wagon.
DGB honestly has been nothing but a scumbutt this whole game.

[Noraa]

Stick to your heart nora, keep at what you do.

I lost multiple town games for doing this in the past. I've also let scum slip outta my fingers by doing this before. Its a tough world

[Noraa]

535 is kinda one of the flashes of insight I talked about for noraa. She TRed me for a similar reason in a different game, but it was better articulated there. Hmm.

Im not willing to reassess guillo atm. I still have to flip thru that iso bc I'm almost 100% certain I will find what I am looking for - a scum tell that is damning as hell.

[Noraa]

I'm a mason hahahaha

I can buy this.
Confirmation for this tho, should not happen today.

[Noraa]

How would it affect your noraa read if I told you that she definitely focuses/plays serious as scum?

............you don't know my meta.
neither my town or scum play can be classified as one thing
I have serious town games
I have not serious town games
I have serious scum games
I have not serious scum games

[Noraa]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: momrangal

This vote is not ok after a mason claim.
VOTE: Toog

[Noraa]

Hi math! It's been a while

You just ignore the fact that someone claimed mason and toog decided to put them at E-1 right after?

Infinity/Toog/DGB?

[Noraa]

Votecount 1.6

bad bear pun count

: 4

[4]Horsewoman:

JacksonVirgo, Toogeloo, Momrangal, Guillotina

[1]Vaxkiller:

Flea the Magician

[1]JacksonVirgo:

Vaxkiller

[1]Noraa:

DrippingGoofball

[1]no elimination:

no elim

[1]Toogeloo:

Horsewoman

[1]Flea the Magician:

Nono

[1]Guillotina:

Noraa

[1]no elim:

AGamblingPig

[1]Momrangal:

Marky Mark

[0] Not Voting:

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

The elimination deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-22 12:35:35).

Look at this here. This reads scum looking for literally anyone else.

wow I never paid attention this this VC but yeah holy fuck that actually looks really terrible.

[Noraa]

Srs tho, I'm a second counter wagon taking off

Mason claim is a joke

three pages later you address the mason claim....
No. I refuse to believe town!you is this afraid of addressing a pr claim.

[Noraa]

I don't think she'd risk claiming Mason when nobody has claimed and risked getting counterclaimed by the actual Masons if they exist here.

... if she is a fake and she is baiting real masons and the real masons take the bait, that's like 1 for 2 from a scum perspective.
tho normally scum try to bait out roles like vig or cop I'll admit.

I believe the claim but ur reasoning for believing it are dumber than having no reason imo.

[Noraa]

Horse is still town

Horse is still town despite voting a mason.

Funny.

Vote horse or you’re scum with her.

I don't like the tone of this.

What happens if Horse flips town then? How would you read Infinity then?

Let every player cast their vote without pressure, it's easier to sort wagons and vanity wagons out that way.

I don’t care if you don’t like the tone.

We’re elimming Horse.

On the off chance Horse is town infinity is scum TMIing

No way infinity townreads Horse keeping a vote on a mason. I just don’t see it.

why is horse scum? just based off wagonomics?
cuz I've had multiple games where I was town and the main wagon on day 1 with multiple counter wagons and wagonomics killed me...

[Noraa]

I agree it looks pretty bad for her - that vc. but still I haven't been all that convinced by anything else.

[Noraa]

Cool.

Then I will take that 30 seconds overnight.

Gun to my head it’s Horse/Toog/Infinity

OOOOO I like this solve. it looks nearly identical to mine. Mine has DGB instead of Horse.

[Noraa]

My method of VCA on day one when I replace in is to examine stalled wagons and why.

Horse wagon doesn’t stall there if she is town.

There was one game where I was a town vig and I was the biggest wagon(E-2 in one rl day) on day 1. The wagon stalled. multiple counters popped up and I ended up nk'ed night 5. I don't think wagonomics is a fair way to judge wagons.

[Noraa]

*is a fair way to judge people

[Noraa]

Math is one of those aggressive types that throws everything at the wall til something sticks. It's a bit abrasive and off putting, but at least the game is moving again, and will probably be interesting in some way in the future.

Meh I am aggressive because imho you were going to miselim a mason.

Since coming back from my hiatus I’ve tried to be less aggressive but an almost certain mason close to elim and a scum wagon right there. You gotta be aggressive and push it through.

im liking you as a hard TR from me.
I disagree with ur horse read. Aside from that I like ur take on the game very much.

[Noraa]

Ok Christmas came early and someone bought me a new toy!! <3

lets see how he squeaks :3

VOTE: Math

*kicks flea*
hes not squeaky.

[Noraa]

Also if there is masons (which I doubt), math is one of them or scum.

..........................?????????

[Noraa]

She's pretty much scumreading a bunch of inactives and townreading the players who are doing anything (this was already pointed out by vaxkiller). And posts like 481 are in my opinion, really terrible.

481 - link your goddamn posts.

PFFFFT jacko's face atm be like : -_______________________________________________________________-********

[Noraa]

If we have a vigilante, I recommend shooting in the low-posters to clear the null-tier. The scummy players and the townie players sort themselves out more or less where I've seen null tier stay null and loses us the game.

Vig should shoot either Toog, Infinity, or DGB.

[Noraa]

We don't kill by post count otherwise I'd never die as scum considering my endless amount of posts. The more posts, the easier to get lost in them and the harder to sort honestly speaking.

[Noraa]

VOTE: nora

hm.

[Noraa]

Nora and Jackson Virgo's chummyness concerns me.

Cuz Jacko is one of my favorite people on site and we do this every single game. Do you need quotes or something?

[Noraa]

I think nora!scum would be playing "safe" this game tho after their last scum game. Hence why they are out in left field on DGB.

why is that "safe"?????????

[Noraa]

I'm a mason hahahaha

Question, why would you out being a mason so quickly when it's much more beneficial to keep that claim back until a more strategical moment or at E-1 not when you're only just getting heat.

It was late, baby was fussy, I was heading to bed and I didnt trust town to not quick lynch, I mean....
And as far as Nora goes, she was never a comfort wagon. She was never a joke wagon, she was never a vanity wagon. She was the first serious push in the game and there was as a consensus of her being likely scum yet it stalled out early and weird as hell CW wagons took place, both of which moved much faster than hers

you now think I'm scum?

[Noraa]

*shrug* Maybe scum is already on it. Maybe scum is scared to take a hard position (like nora on DGB).

why u so convinced I'm scum, vax?

[Noraa]

My position on Noraa is a lot harder than hers is on me, but for some reason everyone shrugs off all the scummy things she posts... I was cheering it when I was scum with her, but she's pulling the same trick in this game, but I'm town thus time and I'm not having it.

It's frustrating.

Hi scum!

[Noraa]

I missed the Mason claim. UNVOTE:

more like you dipped out and hoped someone would be stupid enough to lolhammer.

[Noraa]

What scummy things do you mean?

+1

[Noraa]

I kinda worded that bad. I meant nora is afraid to be on a wagon (afraid to take a hard position, or a confident position if you will)

I've been "on a wagon" in nearly every vc. wtf are u talking about

[Noraa]

@Mathblade Yeah no one got scum vibes from her in Death Scroll either.

haha say that again?why are you misrepping me like this? I was USR in death curse and I lost that game as the last scum alive. Do you know what ur saying???

[Noraa]

@Mathblade Yeah no one got scum vibes from her in Death Scroll either.

Link me for later?

And if no one got scum vibes from that game wouldn’t take make her more than likely town since people are getting scum vibes?

I've never died day 1 as scum whereas I've died day 1 as town in half my town games.

[Noraa]

I'm pretty much the only player who wants to yeet her, with occasional assists from others.

ur so funny, DGB.
u keep lying.

[Noraa]

Flipping HW or Noraa would give us the most information and I do t townread them so im ok with either option.

yeah I still think this is scum. Infinity/Toog has to have one town. guillo is just too scummy.

[Noraa]

Hammering with 4 days left in the day phase is kinda a scumclaim imo

disagree.

[Noraa]

If horse is town then Nora (or someone as skilled as her) is scum.

I feel proud to be called skilled except horse is my TR so I don't like this sentence.

[Noraa]

I don't think she'd risk claiming Mason when nobody has claimed and risked getting counterclaimed by the actual Masons if they exist here.

... if she is a fake and

she is baiting real masons

and the real masons take the bait, that's like 1 for 2 from a scum perspective.
tho

normally scum try to bait out roles

like vig or cop I'll admit.

I believe the claim but ur reasoning for believing it are dumber than having no reason imo.

No! They never would try to outright bait for Masons in a themed game! LOL They would hunt for PRs ALWAYS!!!

Also, two Masons counterclaiming does not guarantee their demise during the night for a "1 for 2!" Are you for real!? They become town clears and PRs will confirm/protect/watch those town clears, hence why scum will not try to attack them on Night 1! You always protect the town clears over everyone else this early game! Get out of here!

So yah! I don't think she'd risk claiming Mason when nobody has claimed and risked getting counterclaimed by the actual Masons if they exist here still stands!

Good job at looking dumber while calling other people dumb.

Eh I dunno. and I'm not looking "dumb". Im just fairly new to mafia.

[Noraa]

Ok Christmas came early and someone bought me a new toy!! <3

lets see how he squeaks :3

VOTE: Math

*kicks flea*
hes not squeaky.

OWWIE!

:O
*instant regret cuz flea too adorbs*
*grabs a smol bandaid*
*puts it on fleas knee*

[Noraa]

You just ignore the fact that someone claimed mason and toog decided to put them at E-1 right after?

Post #1: I'm <insert role here>, hahaha
Post#2: srs tho, <insert reason here>
Seemed legit.

Not sure how a wagon of 5 equals L-1, but I haven't taken 1st grade math in years, so I might need a refresher.

I'm all about wagons right now though, so I got where the votes take me. Like a leaf in the wind.

someone else said I was E-1 and I didn't bother to check but if not, eh.

[Noraa]

I take it back. I think the team is Infinity/DGB/Guillo

[Noraa]

I kinda worded that bad. I meant nora is afraid to be on a wagon (afraid to take a hard position, or a confident position if you will)

I've been "on a wagon" in nearly every vc. wtf are u talking about

A wagon of 2 at most is more like a Radio Flyer.

Just because I haven't been on the two biggest wagons doesn't mean anything ....

[Noraa]

DGB is scum for the really shitty read on me and constant misrep of my meta, the gamestate, and stuff I've said in the game. Also that first reads list was far too early in the game and looked terribly fake.
Guillo is scum for jumping around the game and poking and prodding at almost every single existing wagon. This is something I realized recently but scum will push everywhere in search for softer weaker spots to start wagon. They just jump around until they can find a comfy wagon to sit on. guillo fits this description perfectly.
1) the people he has pushed are all over the place. Every other second it changes.
2) he's always fine with compromises.
3) hes searching for comfy wagons. he's scum.
Infinity is scum for the OMGUS and his vibe is off. I think he's really late reaction to the mason claim was really telling cuz it felt like scum being like "I wanna first hear what other people have to say about it"

This is where I'm currently at.

[Noraa]

DGB is scum for the really shitty read on me and constant misrep of my meta, the gamestate, and stuff I've said in the game. Also that first reads list was far too early in the game and looked terribly fake.
Guillo is scum for jumping around the game and poking and prodding at almost every single existing wagon. This is something I realized recently but scum will push everywhere in search for softer weaker spots to start wagon. They just jump around until they can find a comfy wagon to sit on. guillo fits this description perfectly.
1) the people he has pushed are all over the place. Every other second it changes.
2) he's always fine with compromises.
3) hes searching for comfy wagons. he's scum.
Infinity is scum for the OMGUS and his vibe is off. I think he's really late reaction to the mason claim was really telling cuz it felt like scum being like "I wanna first hear what other people have to say about it"

This is where I'm currently at.

[Noraa]

Fuck my wifi.

[Noraa]

That’s NAI Nora.

Good players town and scum poke everywhere. You’d scumread me every game for that. This is just a unique situation where scum is likely present in Horsewoman.

I believe it is AI for newbies. Newbtown is much more likely to tunnel whereas newbscum is more likely to poke around and try to find a soft spot.

[Noraa]

Noraa given that you’ve scumread me twice in the past and I was town I don’t think you’d be so confident reading me this time.

I have confidence when I do. doesn't matter how many times I mess up in the past. Take golden for example. I've read him wrong three times yet I still have confidence.

[Noraa]

Hmm, but you just said that other people disagreeing with you makes you doubt a read because of past games where others have disagreed with you and you’ve been wrong. Why does that not apply to individual players?

One person disagrees. No one TRs u except math.

why are you trying to use something like that against me to begin with?

[Noraa]

This is not productive.

We disagree. I don’t see myself voting G ever.

If you’re not voting horse push someone else.

I think a Guillo wagon could go thru without u. I SR him hard and I want one of my SRs to be the lim. guillo is the most possible one today as DGB has no supporters and neither does Infinity.

[Noraa]

Hmm, but you just said that other people disagreeing with you makes you doubt a read because of past games where others have disagreed with you and you’ve been wrong. Why does that not apply to individual players?

One person disagrees. No one TRs u except math.

why are you trying to use something like that against me to begin with?

I don’t TR infinity WTF

remembered wrong. that's right. Who TRs infinity?

[Noraa]

remembered wrong. that's right. Who TRs infinity?

No one. Exactly. Infinity why are you using what I said earlier in the game against me?
Nearly all the plist SRed horse which made me doubt myself and here ur trying to discredit my reads by using that against me?

[Noraa]

It won’t and if it did it would be stupid.

Stop working against me please and we agree infinity is scum and push there if you hate the horse woman wagon.

I will fight to not elim my town reads here.

Infinity is as good as guillo imo.

VOTE: Infinity

[Noraa]

Im not a noob, what is your excuse now? I've played this since way before the new generation started calling it Mafia.

u are 100% a noob to this site.

[Noraa]

That’s NAI Nora.

Good players town and scum poke everywhere. You’d scumread me every game for that. This is just a unique situation where scum is likely present in Horsewoman.

I believe it is AI for newbies. Newbtown is much more likely to tunnel whereas newbscum is more likely to poke around and try to find a soft spot.

Im not a noob, what is your excuse now? I've played this since way before the new generation started calling it Mafia.

Poking around is my method for scum hunting, i poke and wait for reactions, then cross reference those reactions with other players reactions. I also analyze reactions from players to other people's post and cross reference them with my private notes.

I never comfy wagon, i develop my reads and push/yeet those at the bottom of my list. I town read Momrangal and Horsewoman is way bellow her in my list, so are you, so is Mark or Flea or Toogeloo. There is no chance in hell im yeeting someone i townread over nulls or people in my scum list. Plain and simple.
That is not to say that my reads won't change and they have changed! But as long as they don't change im not yeeting my town reads over my nulls and scum reads, and im not yeeting my nulls over my scum reads.

uh huhhhh

[Noraa]

Of course not, some prime examples of anti-town behaviour include

Not_Mafia, Not_Mafia and Not_Mafia.

Is this an reference I'm supposed to understand? I'm also new here so I didn't get it.

BTW why didn't anyone tunnel guillo for saying the same thing horse did? Im flipped thru his iso rn and this stuck out like a sore thumb

[Noraa]

"Hi! I'm new to this game! Plz go ez on me"

well this actually sounds dull upon reread.
lemme try saying that again with some more sarcasm.

"Hi! I'm new to this game as in I've never played a game with this mod, this setup, and this plist all in one! Plz go ez on me"

Yeah I get why its weird. I have seen horsewoman call herself new all over the site tho(outside of the mafia forum) so ......

Now this is revealing.

Care to share games where she's done this. It would be great if you can share a game where she was town and another one where she was mafia and she did this. Because then I could treat it as a behavior pattern rather than an AI.

The hypocrisy is not lost. When you want to defend someone with meta, it's fine. Someone else however, NO NO NO King Guillo will behead you for not listening to him.

[Noraa]

No I think guillo is almost certainly scum here.

Reading his ISO basically everyone starts out Null/TR. The moment you disagree, u get moved down. Once there are too many people moved down, he just randomly moves a few back up. Ie Toog, Mark.

This is not towny at all. I don't see how anyone can scum read Guillo here.

He keeps hard SRing Horse yet he seems so fine with dropping that read instantly. Like the moment consensus shifts, he's like BYE.

He says meta is trash but then its fine to use it to justify a TR on horse?

I just think he's trying way too hard to blend into consensus and form consensus himself as well.

[Noraa]

If you are saying that im lying. Prove it!

Lol prove that I'm lying.

wtf kind of a request is that?

[Noraa]

I was not looking for meta, i was looking for BEHAVIOR!

Your shading intensifies! You remain in my scum list!

haha okay then

[Noraa]

I'm feeling like I'm pooky rn and its making me so happy lol.

[Noraa]

And how did they play in previous games?

Not sure.
I've played two games with him.
One where he was town and got nk'ed for softing pr hard.
The other where he was scum and doomed his slot.

[Noraa]

1) JacksonVirgo has disagreed with me, he is still townread. Nono was in my null list, Math took over, we've disagree in pushing methods, i town read him.

Jacko is the only TR you've kept.
You only like Math cuz he TRs u hard and is currently the town leader.

[Noraa]

2) Did you mean cannot? Or was that a slip?

ur really gonna call that a scum slip. its called a typo.

[Noraa]

No I think guillo is almost certainly scum here.

Reading his ISO basically everyone starts out Null/TR.

The moment you disagree, u get moved down

. Once there are too many people moved down, he just randomly moves a few back up. Ie Toog, Mark.

This is not towny at all.

I don't see how anyone can scum read Guillo here.

He keeps hard SRing Horse yet he seems so fine with dropping that read instantly

. Like the moment consensus shifts, he's like BYE.

He says meta is trash but then its fine to use it to justify a TR on horse?

I just think he's trying way too hard to blend into consensus and form consensus himself as well.

1) JacksonVirgo has disagreed with me, he is still townread. Nono was in my null list, Math took over, we've disagree in pushing methods, i town read him.

2) Did you mean cannot? Or was that a slip?

3) I've never dropped my read on Horsewoman, i called a truce on her to see if she'd town up. She is still in the bottom of my list and im playing consistently with my read on her in this game so far.

I'm never getting yeeted here. But if i do, my flip will give town information that will help them win the game. Im confident about that.

[Noraa]

And how did they play in previous games?

Not sure.
I've played two games with him.
One where he was town and got nk'ed for softing pr hard.
The other where he was scum and doomed his slot.

Lies. Three games.

230 normal - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84936

Open 800 - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=84885

Xenoblade 2 - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84949

What was the point in this post?
You were dead in 230 by the time I repped in.

[Noraa]

Are you really asking this question? Just because someone is dead it does not mean that my legacy whether bad or good is still not in play.

Lol ok. Like I even pay attention to dead people if they died three days before I repped in. But ofc that's my fault for not noticing Guillo was even in the dang game.

Flea come call me pinocchio for my sins.

[Noraa]

I agree with Flea in something crucial that I've failed to word well. Testing the waters describes nearly HALF of guillo's posts.

[Noraa]

Nornor you'd tell me if youre scum again, right? ʕ♡˙ᴥ˙♡ʔ

probs no but I doubt I'd be tunneling in on someone if I was scum rn.

[Noraa]

Btw Im still reading through the wall but the "testing the waters" thing I 100000% agree with.

[Noraa]

See this is why I love Nora, Nora picks up on this shiz but doesn't call it out like I do.
Gulliotina coming in with the strawman defence.

its not that I don't want to. its that sometimes I don't know how to word without sounding like I have zero brain cells in my head.

[Noraa]

Phew I finished the wall. I don't agree with everything but I agree with the conclusion and I'll just leave it at that.